Hughes struggles, Yankees rally
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 14, 2011 
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Phil Hughes showed no significant improvement in his third start of the season, but this time the Yankees offense was able to make up for it. Saddled with a five-run deficit, the Yankees chipped away until Jorge Posada led off the ninth inning with game-tying home run and Nick Swisher won it with a sac fly in the 10th to beat the Orioles 6-5. Hughes was once again working with an 88-90 mph fastball and gave up five runs through 4.1 innings. Bartolo Colon and Joba Chamberlain kept the Orioles from pulling away, giving the Yankees a chance to rally.
Associated Press photo
This team can beat you in so many ways, and overcome most obstacles.
Well The Bronx Bombers are in first
heh
Our bullpen has so much potential.
Like the pic.
Thanks to the lineup tonight. Coming back builds character. Colon and Joba did it tonight. Great win!!
Fantastic win.
The team never gave up and kept chipping away.
Huge blast from Posada.
And Alex – just amazing. He just kept coming and coming and coming and just would not let the team lose tonight.
With Tex on base there was almost no doubt that he was going to crush the ball somewhere.
Right now if he makes an out it’s mostly due to random chance.
Robbi also had some terrific at bats. He’s a great fit to hit behind Alex.
And it was very good to see Swisher adjust, keep things simple and take the ball the other way to get the run home.
Very good at bat.
Really a great win…………I can’t praise Colon enough; he’s the star of the game for me; if it weren’t for him, we may not have been in position to win.
Alex is beyond hot – he did say that he’s healthier than he’s been in years; he’s found the FOY. It’s a real pleasure to watch him in almost his 2nd prime.
The Yankees need to stop burying their heads in the sand. I’m sure Phil’s problems are not permanent, but he’s broken and he has to be fixed. Sending him out against capable major leaguers just for the priviledge of being pounded is hurtful to the team and devastating to Phil. He was booed off the mound tonight – do we want to see that again? Let Colon replace Phil for the time being. If the Yankees want Phil to be a part of their future, they need to act like it and get cracking.
Photo CAption Contest
Joba: “Kiss my butt Pie!”
Betsy
Given Phil’s relatively low PC when Girardi took him out, they aren’t burying their heads in the sand.
“Photo CAption Contest”
Joba: “No Pie for you.”
The final Jeopardy category is First and Last. First and Last.
And the final Jeopardy answer is: The AL East.
You have 30 seconds to answer the question. Please make sure your final answer is in the form of a question. Good luck players.
Alex is hitting .412 with a 1.394 OPS. Sick.
Yankee Baseball…
Winning…
RELENTLESSLY !!!
Jah-BUDDHA!!!
OOH Trisha. I know.
Who are the NY Yankees and the Boston Red Sox?
Joe: Phil a bit better the first 2 innings, but is still not right. We’ll have to keep working at it…………find a way to get around it. Phil lost his FB as game went on and started making mistakes……..
With 2nd and 3rd and one out, why in the world did Buck not IBB Swisher? You then have Jorge hitting from the right side and he becomes an even better DP candidate. I was stunned that Buck didn’t do that.
Great win.
“Alex is hitting .412 with a 1.394 OPS. Sick.”
Just imagine – Ted Williams came close to producing at that level for an entire season.
Imagine a guy hitting at this level for an entire season.
phil doesnt look too devastated to me.
how can anyone be killing a first place team?
Nice win, but I hate walkoff wins off sac flys or errors. Get a real hit please!
Rich, yeah I guess………Joe is repeating: we have to get him right, whatever it takes. I just don’t want them to think that Phil can just pitch through this. It’s such a negative perfect storm of things: weak arm/bad velocity/no life/no breaking pitches.
Too bad I missed the pie, lol
strange managing by buck. why didnt he walk swisher?
why did he get gonzalez up in the 8th and not use him when cano came up?
“phil doesnt look too devastated to me. ”
You mean his career isn’t over and he’s not doomed?
Every one who pitched for Yankees today reduced thier ERA, except Rivera
That includes Hughes too….
Rivera was at 0.00 so he could not reduce it
Betsy
The sense got from listening to him is that they may be thinking about temporarily removing him from the rotation.
I hope when things turn around for # 65 he’ll get as much attention as he does now…..It seems that even in a great come from behind win and the club slips into first place the conversation is steered back to him…..Who’s driving that car ???/
“OOH Trisha. I know.
Who are the NY Yankees and the Boston Red Sox?”
Fran said “Who are the NY Yankees and the Boston Red Sox?” The correct answer was “Who are the NY Ynakees and the Boston Red SUX. But our judges said it’s close enough and so FRAN IS OUT NEW JEOPARDY CHAMPION!!!!
Congratulations Fran!
We’ll see you all tomorrow night for another edition of Jeopardy!
Rich,
I got the same feeling. Seems like they may skip Hughes with 2 off-days next week.
CB
Can’t even imagine. That would defy logic and probably gravity.
“strange managing by buck. why didnt he walk swisher?”
Swish has been one of our worst hitters, a guy prone to striking out. Posada, even though he isn’t hitting much either, is still probably going to give you a better AB in that spot.
If they get out Swish, they walk Posada to get the left on left matchup vs. Grandy with 2 outs.
Or maybe he is just clueless lol
Trisha,
I am so excited to be champion. I hope the category is winners and loosers again tomorrow
Pat M, you can say that directly to me if you have any problems with what I’m saying. Either way, I’m not getting into it with you.
Rich, it did kind of sound like that.
I don’t care what anybody says. The cutter to Markakis is what really hurt Hughes. If it cuts right or he throws a fastball it’s a different story. In a good way.
Remember when people wanted Posada benched after 6 games?
The terrible move by Showalter was to actually pitch to Cano.
That was bizarre.
You’re actually letting one of the best hitters in the game possible beat you?
The O’s just got completely lucky. Robbi hit a laser and it just happened to find a glove.
Perhaps he didn’t have confidence in his pitcher throwing strikes if they walked Robbi. But I just can’t understand letting Robbi beat you.
“I am so excited to be champion. I hope the category is winners and loosers again tomorrow
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You might never have to relinquish the championship at this point!!!
Swish has been one of our worst hitters, a guy prone to striking out. Posada, even though he isn’t hitting much either, is still probably going to give you a better AB in that spot.
If they get out Swish, they walk Posada to get the left on left matchup vs. Grandy with 2 outs.
Or maybe he is just clueless lol
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Posada is striking out way more than Swisher, but both are fly ball hitters. Still a weird move. 2 on 1 out theres only K/pop out/lose the game, almost no chance at getting out of it compared to a bases loaded situation.
They might not have wanted to go after Posada from the right side.
I’d love to see Bartolo in the rotation, though that would take away out long reliever.
Except for his last outing, Joba is pitching really well this year in his 7th inning role. I give credit where it’s due to Cashman and the other Yankee personnel involved in the decision to not put him in a position to fail as a starter — but to put him in a position to succeed in the bullpen. His velocity is back in his current role.
When Cone ended up having that aneurism in his shoulder, what exactly was the tip off?
“I’d love to see Bartolo in the rotation, though that would take away out long reliever.”
Noesi.
If they DL Hughes, they can bring up someone else as well.
With two off days in the next seven days, they can skip Hughes.
Given how Girardi answered it is clear Hughes will not get a start until he shows improved velocity. The question is whether it is side work or bull pen or in the minors.
Who will replace Hughes in the rotation when the time comes?
Colon looks like the choice, but he looked tired in the third inning of the work.
Also, he may be more vluable in the BP.
I would not be surprised if Noesi replaces Hughes in the rotation until Hughes corrects his problems.
Buck got lucky Cano didn’t win it. He didn’t get lucky a second time. Head scratcher for me. Not that I’m complaining.
I really liked the way Joba gave Pie a hip check. I guess all that extra weight was useful after all.
I don’t think Joba’s success as a reliever necessarily means that he couldn’t be a successful starter. I tend to think it’s the opposite.
The Joba-Hughes see-saw continues. On a night where Phil was sitting at 88, Joba finally hit 98.
It would be nice to have them both at full strength at the same time!
“The terrible move by Showalter was to actually pitch to Cano.
That was bizarre.”
Typical La Russa move that manager’s make today. Lefty pitcher has to pitch to the lefty hitter, regardless of ability (of either)
I have an idea. Instead of skipping his start. Have Hughes pitch out of the bullpen for 2 innings next week. Instead of a throw day. What do you think? I don’t mean move him to the bullpen. Just for next week.
Posada has a great eye. If they walk Swish, there’s a significant risk that Posada could draw a walk-off walk.
Trisha, numbness………….same with IPK
“I don’t think Joba’s success as a reliever necessarily means that he couldn’t be a successful starter. I tend to think it’s the opposite.”
As do I.
This was a huge win.. it was one of those games where the offense looked terrible at the beginning of the game.. and them coming back was a huge win and confidence booster. Man where would they be without Arod?
Gotta hand it to the great defensive plays tonight too.. the only thing pitiful and ugly in this game was Gardner and Jeter yet again.. don’t know what to say/do there, but they can’t continue in the 1,2 spot much longer.. I’d surely switch it up by now.
Bets, thanks.
“When Cone ended up having that aneurism in his shoulder, what exactly was the tip off?”
numbness
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/05.....urysm.html
it struck me as weird how buck managed, but i really cant say i know enough about the o’s to know why he did what, still the gonzalez thing was hard to figure.
but i loved buck as yankees manager and im sure he had his reasons. he always does.
Betsy,
Were you watching the postgame? They showed the pie again
Trisha – Cone had numbness in his finger and it turned blue after a start. That’s how they discovered the anuerysm
“Typical La Russa move that manager’s make today. Lefty pitcher has to pitch to the lefty hitter, regardless of ability (of either)”
Very well could have been. You’d think that Showalter would know that’s not going to work with Robbi. But it’s the most direct answer.
That’s part of what makes the whole Showalter and La Russa I’m an old school, play the game the right way baseball guy routine wear so thin.
They don’t approach the game the way it was in the past at all. They both pick things out of this bizarre modern managing recipe book that combines the worst aspects of statistics with the worst aspects of pattern matching. And it was La Russa who wrote that book more than anyone else. But it’s a completely modern phenomenon despite the schtick.
I don’t see Casey Stengel giving a player like Cano a chance to win the game.
Trish, you’re welcome!
Fran, I’m listening to it while I’m on the computer. It’s no big deal………I’m sure YES will have it up tomorrow.
I don’t think Joba’s success as a reliever necessarily means that he couldn’t be a successful starter. I tend to think it’s the opposite.
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This is it for Joba (at least with the Yanks). He’s in the pen for good.
It would be one of the great vindications of Cashman’s career if Joba turned out to be a very successful back-end of the bullpen guy for the Yanks.
# JT April 14th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
The Joba-Hughes see-saw continues. On a night where Phil was sitting at 88, Joba finally hit 98.
It would be nice to have them both at full strength at the same time!
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These guys take turns when it comes to being good at the same time lol. Is it a crime to have both prized arms excel in the same yr.
Awesome come from behind win.
Just wish the story could have been Hughes getting back on track. It’s obvious now he has to come out of the rotation for a bit while they figure out what’s wrong with him. Hopefully it won’t take too long.
# JT April 14th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
I don’t think Joba’s success as a reliever necessarily means that he couldn’t be a successful starter. I tend to think it’s the opposite.
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This is it for Joba (at least with the Yanks). He’s in the pen for good.
It would be one of the great vindications of Cashman’s career if Joba turned out to be a very successful back-end of the bullpen guy for the Yanks.
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Cashman would do a back flip if that happened
one thing you never really think about when a manager makes a move (or non move) like that is: what if they called down to the BP and asked the coach if the guy was ready to come in and the BP coach said ‘he’s warm but he’s all over the place, cant throw a strike’ so the manager passes even though he go the guy up to face a certain batter.
“This is it for Joba (at least with the Yanks). He’s in the pen for good.”
I know, but my point was really only about what his current performance does and doesn’t demonstrate.
“It would be one of the great vindications of Cashman’s career if Joba turned out to be a very successful back-end of the bullpen guy for the Yanks.”
He’s still a very talented pitcher. I think he could succeed in any role.
Chapman has thrown 4 times over the past 5 games with the Reds.
Dusty is at it again.
Last year Chapman had problems throwing back to back days.
This season his velocity is down over 10mph and Dusty is throwing him 4 out of 5 games.
Unbelievable.
He should be in their starting rotation. It’s probably better for his health.
Rich and Carlo, thanks! Rich thanks for the link. Wasn’t he pitching when Torre came and took him out of the game? Or am I misremembering?
Rich in NJ April 14th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
I don’t think Joba’s success as a reliever necessarily means that he couldn’t be a successful starter. I tend to think it’s the opposite.
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I’m sure you are wrong.
“This is it for Joba (at least with the Yanks). He’s in the pen for good”
And you were promoted to GM when?
I don’t recall Cone leaving any game with numbness, but he did leave his return game against the A’s with a no-hitter. Thank goodness he ended up pitching a perfect game later on – I understood why they took him out and it was the right move, but still it was tough. I used to despise Coney when he was on the Mets, but he was really an easy guy to love.
Hughes is coming up next on the YES postgame
That is, I recall his numbness just appeared one day…………..it was seriously touch and go for awhile
Cashman has said in no uncertain terms that Joba is a reliever now. It’ll take a trade for him to get another crack at starting.
“I don’t recall Cone leaving any game with numbness, but he did leave his return game against the A’s with a no-hitter. ”
Ah, that’s what I was thinking of. Thanks Bets!!
You’re welcome, Trish!
The scary thing about Colon is that I don’t think he’s even fully in shape yet.
CB….When Buck dodged that screamer by Cano I was certain he was going to load them up and go for the inning ending dp, especially with a very slow Tex at 3rd…..
“Cashman has said in no uncertain terms that Joba is a reliever now. It’ll take a trade for him to get another crack at starting”
I never say never. Cashman also said in no uncertain terms that Bubba Crosby was the Yankees starting CF. Life is fluid. And so is baseball.
Phil : thought he had pretty good FB in the beginning, but it just disappeared on him. Tried throwing other pitches to compensate.
# CB April 14th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Chapman has thrown 4 times over the past 5 games with the Reds.
Dusty is at it again.
Last year Chapman had problems throwing back to back days.
This season his velocity is down over 10mph and Dusty is throwing him 4 out of 5 games.
Unbelievable.
He should be in their starting rotation. It’s probably better for his health.
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Guys aren’t even getting a chance to fail in the rotation SMH now it’s off to the BP
“When Buck dodged that screamer by Cano I was certain he was going to load them up and go for the inning ending dp, especially with a very slow Tex at 3rd…..”
Pat,
Honestly, watching that inning I almost got the sense that buck was pulling a la russa. Making these bizarre moves just to make a point of his own “genius.”
JT April 14th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
This is it for Joba (at least with the Yanks). He’s in the pen for good.
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You are right JT. I guess some missed Cashman’s decision on Joba.
Guys aren’t even getting a chance to fail in the rotation SMH now it’s off to the BP
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This fact bothers me a LOT. Joba to some extent, Feliz, Chapman…
Wow, Phil Coke is starting for Detroit tonight.
# jeffc_76 April 14th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Cashman has said in no uncertain terms that Joba is a reliever now. It’ll take a trade for him to get another crack at starting.
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exactly it’s not happening here
Trisha, Coke is their 5th starter. They used him in relief in the Yankees series because they didn’t need a 5th starter for a few weeks.
Russel Martin is such a good dude, I love him on this team.
Phil : thought he had pretty good FB in the beginning, but it just disappeared on him. Tried throwing other pitches to compensate.
The YES had him at 92 a couple times early on if I remember right. That’s probably a (very) slight improvement, even if the average velocity was down overall, and the results were still bad. At least he’s not getting slower anyway!
CB…..If he walks Swisher he has Posoda up the slowest guy on the club and Texeria at 3rd……I’m stunned that he went the other way with this…..
Arod is reminding me of what he looked like in 2007, when every at-bat was must-see TV. He is beyond locked in….
Would like to see Martin get a day off
Where are the Red Sox trolls now?
If it wasn’t for Hughes weak arm and a random stellar performance by Beckett, they’d be 0-11.
AMAZING win tonight. I love this team!
Hope Hughes is sent to AAA and works on it constantly until the velocity and arm strength are back. Put Colon in the rotation for now and Noesi in long man relief.
# Patrick April 14th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Guys aren’t even getting a chance to fail in the rotation SMH now it’s off to the BP
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This fact bothers me a LOT. Joba to some extent, Feliz, Chapman…
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It bothers me too. Hey a kid throws hard so let’s put him in the pen. I went to lohud a while ago to check out the blog post on Pedro. You would be surprised how many ppl are ok with Man Ban coming up when he’s reaching his innings limit to pitch out of the Yankee pen as a loogy. Are ppl insane?
“You are right JT. I guess some missed Cashman’s decision on Joba.”
CB….When Buck dodged that screamer by Cano I was certain he was going to load them up and go for the inning ending dp, especially with a very slow Tex at 3rd…..
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I know that you lose Teix’s glove and switch-hitting bat for Chavez if the game remains tied, but once Teix got to 3rd, I would have had Nunez pinch-run for him. If Markakis gets off a good throw, we may all still be watching this game.
Would like to see Martin get a day off
Martin will sit tomorrow or Sat with the day game after a night game. I’d guess Sat.
slight increase in velocity for phil, slightly better location and slightly better secondary pitches. not much iimprovement but some.
YsGuy April 14th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
strange managing by buck. why didnt he walk swisher?
why did he get gonzalez up in the 8th and not use him when cano came up?
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Yeah…what was he trying to do? LOSE THE GAME?!?!?
Hey trisha you gotta be loving Tulo right now huh?
“Guys aren’t even getting a chance to fail in the rotation SMH now it’s off to the BP”
It’s really sad. It’s sort of a small tragedy in the game right now.
And what makes it really hard to take is how guys who are constantly talking about “playing the game the right way” or are trying to make hay with their “old school” bona fides are leading the charge.
The absolutely worst situation is with Neftali Feliz in Texas. It’s amazing how that entire franchise seems to have no sense of irony.
If Nolan Ryan were a young pitcher today there is close to zero chance that he would ever be given an even chance to start.
If you compare Feliz to Ryan at the same ages, Feliz is the much more polished, refined pitcher.
Yet he’s written off as someone who “can’t” start or doesn’t have the “stuff” to start because his arsenal isn’t “complete.”
As if Ryan had any of those ingredients at that age.
Ryan was one of the great pitchers in history. The value he produced as a starter dwarfed any he could have produced as a reliever.
But he’s not going to given Feliz – the more refined pitcher at the same age – the same opportunity he was given to build a career and carry a staff.
I find it amazing.
martin has only caught 4 days in a row once. why does he need a day off? obviously he will take either the night or next day off, but otherwise, why sit him when he doesnt need rest?
With the Yankee come from behind win, the injuries to Banuelos, Betances, Sanchez, and Mauer, and the poor managing by Buck, the thing that surprised me most was–there are still people who watched the Mets game?!?!?!
It bothers me too. Hey a kid throws hard so let’s put him in the pen. I went to lohud a while ago to check out the blog post on Pedro. You would be surprised how many ppl are ok with Man Ban coming up when he’s reaching his innings limit to pitch out of the Yankee pen as a loogy. Are ppl insane?
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I don’t think Cashman would do that. He saw how Joba got mislabeled as a reliever when he came up. You gotta think he doesn’t want that to happen again
Thanks Fran. I really wish him luck. Not too much tonight because he’s going against Gio.
Think I was a little hasty in dumping Carlos Ruiz.
Alex is showing everybody what he can do when he’s healthy…..I just hope he can stay that way because I want to see what kind of numbers he can put up…his swing has less moving parts now than maybe it ever has, and he’s firing his hips again and creates tons of bat speed.
Jeff, good……..too bad the weather is going to be so darn iffy
there are still people who watched the Mets game?!?!?!
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I watched both, but to be fair they were the only things on!
Wow, Damon got a walk off!
What the hell the Rays are stealing the pie in the face thing now too?
Upton’s pie technique isn’t as good as AJs
Mauer on DL. Happy I didn’t draft him.
Wow, Alex, lol
412/.512/.882
patrick, holy God it is the best drafting I’ve ever done. He is a monster.
Betsy April 14th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Phil : thought he had pretty good FB in the beginning, but it just disappeared on him. Tried throwing other pitches to compensate.
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He probably should have to continued to throw it. They were mostly late on it.
How do you steal a pie routine? AJ didn’t make it invent it, lol
Mauer on DL. Happy I didn’t draft him.
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Tyanks is going to be upset. She drafted Mauer and he is one of her favorite players.
” You would be surprised how many ppl are ok with Man Ban coming up when he’s reaching his innings limit to pitch out of the Yankee pen as a loogy. ”
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a totally new one on me. ive heard several people speculate the man ban might be able to help the yankees out of the bp this year, but not once did anyone say they thought he should come up “when he’s reaching his innings limit.”
seems the yankees are moving that date back a bit, too, or do you believe the blister story?
Joba is throwing in the high nineties. No way will he start. The Yankees jerked him around and won’t make that mistake again.
How do you steal a pie routine? AJ didn’t make it invent it, lol
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Yes he did!
Man, the Twins just took a big hit. Mauer on the DL with “bilateral leg weakness”. Pinched nerve in back or hip?
They have to skip Hughes the next turn right?
May be best to leave Colon where he is.
If Po hits homers at the same rate all year, he’ll last at DH. Heck, he would break the HR record ! LOL
Maybe Noesi should get a start and see what happens. Let Phil work out of the bullpen for a while.
there are still people who watched the Mets game?!?!?!
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Definitely just to see them lose. That’s what I do.
Tulo has my become my fav. non Yankee. Too bad he will never play for the club
patrick, holy God it is the best drafting I’ve ever done. He is a monster.
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If you recall I was mad that you drafted him so I took Hamilton instead.
Wondering if I want to watch the Oakland-Detroit game or watch my DVRd Survivor. (I fell asleep last night so didn’t get to watch it.)
Upon further examination, bilateral leg weakness isn’t a good diagnosis at all.
Bilateral leg weakness can be caused by many things. For example, infection is is thought to be involved in 40 percent of cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome, a disorder of the nervous system, according to an article in a 2008 issue of “Neurology.” This weakness may also be caused Tick paralysis or West Nile virus. Trauma or disease that causes damage to your spinal cord or a tumor compressing the nerves that affect your legs can also cause this symptom. A stroke may also cause this problem. Diseases such as diabetic neuropathy cause nerve damage, in particular to the extremities. Genetic problems such as muscular dystrophy, Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease or multiple sclerosis can also cause bilateral leg weakness.
# RMS April 14th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Joba is throwing in the high nineties. No way will he start. The Yankees jerked him around and won’t make that mistake again.
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Yea he’s never starting for this club again
Ledger_Yankees What are the Yankees going to do with Huhges? Skip him? Keep pitching him? “We’ll talk about it,” Cashman says.
And the thing with Alex – it’s not just “luck” or him only being “hot.”
He’s doing this for substantive reasons. His swing is just that good right now and he’s just so fluid and explosive through his hips and torso again.
He really can’t be pitched to right now.
GreenBeret7 April 14th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Man, the Twins just took a big hit. Mauer on the DL with “bilateral leg weakness”. Pinched nerve in back or hip?
Hey maybe if they fall out of it we could trade for Liriano and make him a LOOGY.
Blake-
yes.
No he didn’t, Patrick……………
trisha – true pinstriped blue April 14th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Mauer on DL. Happy I didn’t draft him.
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yeah that would be me who got him.
i have been a brian mccann guy in fbb for a few years. i missed both vmart and mccann in the lohud draft and lucked into miguel montero who has been tearing it up.
“Upon further examination, bilateral leg weakness isn’t a good diagnosis at all.”
It’s not. He may have a major problem with his back.
No he didn’t, Patrick……………
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I’m joking Betsy..
Doesn’t translate well with text however
Definitely just to see them lose. That’s what I do.
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Against All odds,
Me too. I find Met losses quite entertaining.
Would like to see Martin get a day off
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Would also like to see him get a bunt down. I figured an NL guy from the Dodgers’ system would have that in his toolkit. He looked very uncomfortable when he sqaured to bunt.
# YsGuy April 14th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
” You would be surprised how many ppl are ok with Man Ban coming up when he’s reaching his innings limit to pitch out of the Yankee pen as a loogy. ”
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a totally new one on me. ive heard several people speculate the man ban might be able to help the yankees out of the bp this year, but not once did anyone say they thought he should come up “when he’s reaching his innings limit.”
seems the yankees are moving that date back a bit, too, or do you believe the blister story?
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blister story?
Blake, you’d think………..I got the impression from Joe tonight that, despite trying to be positive, he’s concerned. It sounds like Cash is as well…………and the have to be impressed with Colon, so the fact that he’s around is a big help
so we’ve ruled out bilateral leg weakness and its probably not an aneurysm.
im stumped…
As long as Alex keeps his swing where it’s at he could do this all year. He’s able to wait so long to swing and his pitch selection has been incredible….he’s not chasing because he knows there is a guy behind him that can do damage.
tyanks,
I posted that earlier. Sorry. I know you like Mauer. Hope he’ll be ok.
Wow patrick, you really have some DL bad luck right now!
Hating the thought of tomorrow night. I have Matt Harrison going…
Detroit-Oakland 0-0 in the 5th. Maybe I will watch it.
Good night, all!
# Fran the original April 14th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Definitely just to see them lose. That’s what I do.
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Against All odds,
Me too. I find Met losses quite entertaining.
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So do I. The day started off well with two Met losses and it ended perfectly with a comeback Yankee win. The only thing missing was another Red Sox clown show.
Fran
I am upset, re: Mauer not just because he is on the DL(he hasnt won me much on fantasy anyway) but because I really wanted to go see him this weekend while the Twins are playing the Rays. Its like he doesnt want me to see him. First spring training now this
I love Mauer.
Patrick, try a smiley – those always work, lol. I think the exclamation mark should have tipped me off, but I’m my humor radar is out of whack tonight, lol
I was wrong about Colon in ST.
“blister story?”
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you did hear that manny b and dellin betances were both put on the dl due to ‘blisters’ today?
JT, I’ll take what Martin has given us every day and twice on Sunday, lol
Blake-
And IMHO I think they should also send him in for an MRI before they proceed any further.
Don’t think they will though.
Colon is a natural fit for the moment.
We’re lucky we have him to fill in as needed.
Against All Odds,
So true.
“He’s able to wait so long to swing and his pitch selection has been incredible….”
He is. It’s crazy watching Alex and Robbi hit. They let the ball travel so deep before they need to launch. Just amazing. The ball just travels so far before they have to swing.
It’s why they were able to damage those two strike pitches today.
I don’t think there are two hitters hitting back to back that have that talent.
Put Montero in the line up and you’d have a third muskateer in letting the ball travel deep.
# YsGuy April 14th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
“blister story?”
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you did hear that manny b and dellin betances were both put on the dl due to ‘blisters’ today?
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I heard about Dellin earlier in the day but I didn’t hear about Manny
With two days off next week, no reason not to skip hughes at least 1 turn to continue pkating long toss. He was really good the first two innings, and like he said, he lost the fastball (strength).
Somebody was complaining about overusing Rivera because he had (now) pitched in 7 games out of 11. Keep in mind that’s over a 16 day stretch, and almost every outing is with 12-15 pitches and tonight was 7 pitches. He won’t stay on that pace, but, he’s going pretty fair.
Hughes did look better a little early tonight but when it’s gone by the third inning then that’s not all that helpful…..not sure how they fix it but I don’t think this is something you try to solve in a big league rotation trying to win games.
tyanks,
What terrible timing. I know you really wanted to see Mauer. Just hope that he gets well soon. And of course that Minnesota still beats the Rays
“Yea he’s never starting for this club again”
What a riot! I do love when posters make definitive statements about what Yankee player WILL or WILL NOT do X, Y, and Z.
That is way cool. LMAO!!!!
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Betsy, I’d like to see Martin get a day off also. I think it would be good for him. Molina has to get in a game sooner or later!
If Po hits homers at the same rate all year, he’ll last at DH. Heck, he would break the HR record ! LOL
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Po is sliding comfortably into the Jim Thome phase of his career. A-Rod is taking notes en route to 850 home runs…. lol
Blake, it is disturbing that his vielocity just died. I didn’t watch Baseball Tonight, never do, but apparently Schilling said that it’ s not just the velocity that’s gone, but the late life…the late life that made 93 seem 97. You and I are on the same page……..
# blake April 14th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
I was wrong about Colon in ST.
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So was I ! I said I’d rather have a colonoscopy than him ! Eat, eat, eat, my words.
“Put Montero in the line up and you’d have a third muskateer in letting the ball travel deep.”
Yes please….won’t be long
manny and dellin both got pushed back a week or so. no big deal, especially if it means either might be available for more inings later in the season should they be needed.
…convenient blisters…
Schilling also said that if Hughes would put some ketchup in his sock then all his problems would be solved
JT, I’ll take what Martin has given us every day and twice on Sunday, lol
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Oh absolutely, Betsy. I’m just vacuuming up all the hair I pulled out watching that at-bat. lol
Many pitching and hitting battles and a war of a game won tonight.
Many heroes making plays.
Big win.
# JT April 14th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
If Po hits homers at the same rate all year, he’ll last at DH. Heck, he would break the HR record ! LOL
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Po is sliding comfortably into the Jim Thome phase of his career. A-Rod is taking notes en route to 850 home runs…. lol
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Being a Po fan all the way, I do think it’s gonna be his last with the Yanks though. Hope he hits .270 and he will have been quite successful. IMO
Fran
I always hope for the Rays to lose
I was expecting more from them tonight. As much as I like Johnny, I wish they hadn’t walked off. I hate reading about them winning in the paper when I am trying to enjoy my breakfast. Totally ruins my cocoa puffs.
Brian Cashman said before the game that team hierarchy wanted to see if Hughes had improved velocity on his fastball. Hughes’ fastball — normally in the low to mid-90s — had been consistently clocked in the high-80s in his first two starts.
“We need to get his velocity up to allow him to compete,” Cashman said. “If it’s not up there, he’s obviously going to have trouble competing.”
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Would Phil be having these problems if he had better breaking pitches or is the velocity issue such that we’d still be talking about this.
Phil’s fastball at 89 has more life than most pitchers who throw their fastballs at 92-93 do.
Its why his fastball at 93-94 is one of the very best pitches any starting pitcher in the league has.
I’d say skip a turn, but keep him here and let him work with the professionals in NY.
Wouldn’t even consider sending him down.
JT, lol
Blake, he’s generally like the Charles Barkley of baseball – I pay little attention to him. That said, he’s right about the late life- it’s not just the velocity.
tyanks,
LOL. Well I hope you get to enjoy your breakfast this weekend
GB….Long toss will build up arm strength, but as you know it takes time to stretch out the arm for deep extension and strength….It’s going to take at least 2 more weeks……Mauer’s concern will most likely be found in his back…..Colon is good for 4 innings before he gets tired…So Giradi has a tough call to make right now, but it is April and Hughes is going to rebound and if they see Bartolo as a long man he’s going to have to stay put……
trisha – true pinstriped blue April 14th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
“Yea he’s never starting for this club again”
What a riot! I do love when posters make definitive statements about what Yankee player WILL or WILL NOT do X, Y, and Z.
That is way cool. LMAO!!!!
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I would love to be wrong. Nothing would make me happier than to see him starting games in pinstrips but based on how he’s pitching now and statements made by Joe and Cashman Joba is a reliever for the Yankees from here on out.
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“convenient blisters”
@ YSGuy good point I don’t think about it that way
Has anyone gotten any info on Gary Sanchez issue yet?
Have a good night everyone.
See you tomorrow
trisha – true pinstriped blue April 14th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
“Yea he’s never starting for this club again”
What a riot! I do love when posters make definitive statements about what Yankee player WILL or WILL NOT do X, Y, and Z.
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Agreed 100%…and they never seem to get it either.
Betsy,
Yea he is….that’s Hughes trademark….that late hop on the 4 seamer, he’s pitching without it right now.
I think you let Colon make his next start and just see how things go and how he progresses in his side sessions
Betsy….Screw the breaking pitches, late movement comes with his fastball, and that is foremost right now……Honestly
Being a Po fan all the way, I do think it’s gonna be his last with the Yanks though. Hope he hits .270 and he will have been quite successful. IMO
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Who knows? If he hits 30 HR with decent peripherals in 500PA, he will make life difficult for the Yanks because somebody will offer him a contract.
NigHt all…nice win tonight
The team news on Mauer,
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
Pat M.-
IMO it isn’t a tough call at all.
I wouldn’t let Phil start again until his gun readings and command are acceptable.
That’s my take.
I read that he has an oblique injury – that’s pretty bad news as those take awhile. I read this on Pinstripes Plus.
Night, Blake!
Another thing to keep in mind is that it is still fairly cool out…the next two starts Phil has may be in warmer temperatures…which seemingly always helps velocity as pitchers can loosen up…
Good night Fran and Blake.
Sanchez has an oblique injury. Betances may pitch Monday. Manny may also pitch next week if all goes well.
Best moment of game besides Alex’s beastly hitting, Joba blocking the plate.
Really crappy day for injuries.
The Twins have really had some bad luck the past year…Nathan, Mourneau, Mauer…next up…Liriano?
Obliques are becoming an epidemic.
yankeefeminista April 14th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Sanchez has an oblique injury.
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Are you kidding me?!?! Unreal! When did this become the cool thing?
Obliques, appendectomies……….they are the new hamstrings.
Missed most of the game. Was able to catch the 7th inning on at the bar after my game. The stat line looks like Hughes sucked again. Anyone our there want to give me the scouting report on his outing????
Jorge is the friggin man. People doubting him all weekm. Went crazy when he blasted that dinger. I knew he would come through!
# Betsy April 14th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Obliques, appendectomies……….they are the new hamstrings.
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remember 2 or 3 yrs ago there was a hip epidemic
BoJo –
how in the heck can Archer make it all the way to Moscow and not have a ftf with Nikolai Jagov???
re: mauer, i never pick him in fbb b/c a catcher with back problems is just too risky for a high pick. love to watch the guy play but they have to be thinking about moving him out from behind the plate.
LGY, his velocity was a bit better early, but deteriorated as the game went on……..
Hughes should start next week. Just throw more fastballs.
Odds, not sure what’s next, apparently blisters, lol
Pat M. April 14th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
GB….Long toss will build up arm strength, but as you know it takes time to stretch out the arm for deep extension and strength….It’s going to take at least 2 more weeks……Mauer’s concern will most likely be found in his back…..Colon is good for 4 innings before he gets tired…So Giradi has a tough call to make right now, but it is April and Hughes is going to rebound and if they see Bartolo as a long man he’s going to have to stay put……
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Pat, Mauer had that kidney infection a couple of years ago and then had an inflammation of the right sacroiliac. Add that to left knee surgery and nowalso battling the flu, he’ll never hold up as a catcher over the long term. He’s taken a beating behind the plate. I’d hate to see him get beat up the Way Munson was after about 5 years of catching. That bat’s more valuable than his defense is. The question is where. Corner outfield or third base until next season when they can move him or Morneau to the DH/1st base spot?
AROD looks fabulous at the plate. The high and tight fastball that used to give him trouble are now hammered. It must be increased hip flexibility. This is following a great spring.
LGY April 14th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Missed most of the game. Was able to catch the 7th inning on at the bar after my game. The stat line looks like Hughes sucked again. Anyone our there want to give me the scouting report on his outing????
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Recapping and summarizing the comments from earlier….
Started off okay…throwing mainly fastballs…hit 91-92.
Then he started to suck a little…then sucked a little more, then there was hope which quickly faded as he sucked worse…then he threw a cutter for a homer which–you know–really sucked…and then he just blew.
Night everybody.
It was great come from behind win but this whole Hughes thing has me bummed out.
AldotheApache April 14th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
BoJo –
how in the heck can Archer make it all the way to Moscow and not have a ftf with Nikolai Jagov???
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Thanks for reminding me!! I have to download the episode! Best show on TV!
Good night MTU…see you tomorrow.
# Betsy April 14th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
Odds, not sure what’s next, apparently blisters, lol
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If blisters are next it better not happen to any of the pitches on the big club we have issues already.
Odds, I wouldn’t put it past the baseball gods – we’ve had pretty lousy luck this year
YsGuy April 14th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
re: mauer, i never pick him in fbb b/c a catcher with back problems is just too risky for a high pick. love to watch the guy play but they have to be thinking about moving him out from behind the plate.
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This is why I want Montero to go directly to DH…do not pass Go…do not put on C gear…let’s get his bat out there 162 games a year…and keep him healthy. He is a guy to build a line-up around, not a DL list.
Pat M. April 14th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Betsy….Screw the breaking pitches, late movement comes with his fastball, and that is foremost right now……Honestly
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Building the arm strength would increase his velocity, but, should also make his breaking pitches sharper, too.
Based on Hughes first inning, I thought he would heat up, and maybe get up to 91 consistently, but then it just faded… and faded….
Where did you guys see Sanchez has an oblique injury?
Would like to see the late life return – without that, it doesn’t matter about the velocity
Pinstripes Plus………..
GB…..Thurman was a tough sob, but all the collisions at the plate cost him his knees and of course his right shoulder took away much of his power……However when there was a clutch hit needed he somehow delivered……He was one of the best hitters when there was a duck on the pond….At some point The Twins have to start yanking Mauer from behind the plate and start dh’ing him…..Especially if they want a return on that contract
# Betsy April 14th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Odds, I wouldn’t put it past the baseball gods – we’ve had pretty lousy luck this year
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hughes
pedro
cisco kid
Thanks guys. Guess Im glad I didn’t have watch that.
Btw I know Joba got the job done but WTF is Sori doing on this team if he is not going to pitch in situations like that???
I said last night Joba may be more important to this team because of the situations he will pitch in like tonite.
Yep, Odds…………..what can you do? Unfortunately, nothing – just have to deal with whatever comes up.
noticed two things when watching the game highlights. Ivan Nova was one of the first people out of the dugout patting Swisher on the back and also that Colin Curtis was in the dugout when Posada hit his homerun. Not sure why these stuck out to me.
I drafted Mauer because I like him, also because last year he had one of the highest averages in the AL even though he lost some of his power. And because I like him.
Sanchez’s DL is retroactive to April 12, but not sure that means much.
@ Betsy yep just have to roll with the punches
This whole thing is so surreal……………
hey gb7
did you see my post about the pga golfer that got a 16 on one hole today.
an 8 is a snowman
16 could be a double snowman
but i think it should be called a gb7 in your honor
The worst thing for Hughes right now is that people are continually taking his temperature after each start. That’s why skipping a turn might do him some good.
btw, Just looking at his last playoff start, his average FB velo was 92.08 and it maxed out at 94.
Good night everyone
Odds, yep – teams just have to suck it up as no one is going to feel sorry for them. Cervelli will be fine – but Pedro’s injury is really serious and who knows about Phil?
Betsy….One last time, for Phil Hughes to have late movement he has to has velocity….Regardless what you read at Pinstripes or any other blog you recycle your information from…..99 % of what you read is from people much like yourself
When is Cervelli supposed to come back? I havent heard any updates on him in a while.
Cutter, curve ball, change up. None of them matter right now with Hughes.
The problem isn’t how he’s pitching. The problem is how he’s throwing.
Until they fix his throwing how he pitches isn’t going to amount to much.
All of this pitches are terrible right now because they have the same root cause issue – how he is throwing.
The reason why Hughes has a chance to be a special pitcher is due to the tremendous late life on his fastball. That late life comes from the kinetic chain that his throwing mechanics produces.
Until that kinetic chain is fixed none of his pitches are going to be any good.
And telling him to suddenly turn into Jamie Moyer and make up for throwing the ball poorly by pitching in a different way is not only unfeasible it’s completely besides the point because that still doesn’t fix the real problem.
And how he is throwing the ball doesn’t seem like something that is going to be fixed in 5 day intervals by pitching a few innings in competitive games at the major league level.
Mac, when they’re talking about him not missing many pitches, that sums it up. 4 strikeouts in 34 at bats. He’s dead on target with everything. Right now, there is no one way to pitch to him. Right field, left field. center field and in both gaps. he’s nearly automatic to hit the ball hard somewhere. He’s like Cano was over the first half of last year.
Rich, I think getting him down to Tampa where absolutely no one will pay attention to him (meaning, no media) would be the best thing for him. Then he can work on whatever he has to work on in peace. Until then, yeah, skipping a start might be a start – although I think he wants to get out on the mound ASAP to put his bad starts behind him.
Pat M, I’m not going to take the bait, so I hope you have a magical evening.
Rich, and he got tattooed, so the velocity thing is overrated in a way
yankeefem
That is a major bummer that both the B’s arent going to pitch this weekend. Josh Norris tweeted that Manny was walking around the stadium tonight in plain clothes. I love that the pitchers do that, especially if you recognize them.
I want Aldred involved.
Well–its bedtime for Bojo again…Good night night people. Sleep well.
CB, when you talk about kinetic chains, it’s confusing. Do you mean that Phil’s delivery is out of whack? That one problem leads to another leads to another and that’s why everything is so wrong? I wonder how that could happen
Night, Bojo!
Joe comparing Phil to Moyer was stupid – Moyer was born a soft-tosser, not to mention he was as old as Methuselah, lol. Phil is a kid – while he needs to use his other pitches, he simply can’t be expected to pitch like a wizened old vet.
Betsy
No, you are making a causal connection where one isn’t implicated.
Sometimes you get hit hard, but when you have that kind of stuff/velo, you know it’s only temporary.
The best pitchers in MLB with the great stuff/velo get hit around now and then.
What’s going on now is sui generis.
CB-
Thank you for that.
Now I can really get some rest.
Agree 1000%.
I would also send him in for an exam to make sure their is nothing structurally wrong.
Don’t care if he isn’t feeling any pain at the moment.
That will add peace of mind for him to proceed. He must be wondering what’s going on.
Sleep for sure this time.
Was Sori not pitching tonight an issue on lohud???
it looks like the yanks could skip phil till the 26th giving him 11 days off, if they think that will help him.
The velocity issue with Hughes isn’t over rated in any way.
Velocity and late life are both the end results from how he throws the ball.
People are confusing pitching and throwing.
Hughes major problem isn’t pitching.
It’s throwing. And if he is throwing the ball properly both the velocity and life will hopefully return.
It’s like saying it’s ok for the sun to produce light but not heat. They both arise from the same internal processes.
Pat M. April 14th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
GB…..Thurman was a tough sob, but all the collisions at the plate cost him his knees and of course his right shoulder took away much of his power……However when there was a clutch hit needed he somehow delivered……He was one of the best hitters when there was a duck on the pond….At some point The Twins have to start yanking Mauer from behind the plate and start dh’ing him…..Especially if they want a return on that contract
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The one play involving Munson behind the playe was in his 2nd year. His only error that year was when Etcherberran came home standing up and Munson had the ball waiting for him and Etcherberran threw an elbow and knocked Munson out cold. he dropped the ball and gave him an error.
Munson lost so much power, but, always seemed to find it when they needed it. That monsterous playoff blast against KC to the back of the bullpen in left at YS.
My impression was Girardi still wants Phil to make his next start, although he said it had yet to be discussed.
Rich, I’m not sure what you mean. I guess CB can explain kinetic chain then, but I’m not quite sure of your point?
CB, my point was that Phil was throwing with normal velocity against Texas as Rich mentioned, but he still got pounded. So that’s what I meant by velocity being overrated……….
tyanksfan36 April 14th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
yankeefem
That is a major bummer that both the B’s arent going to pitch this weekend. Josh Norris tweeted that Manny was walking around the stadium tonight in plain clothes. I love that the pitchers do that, especially if you recognize them.
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lol. I went from figuring out how to see both of them pitch this weekend to seeing neither one. However, I may go see Stoneburner pitch tomorrow, and clear Monday in case Betances pitches.
Hughes said he felt different in the later innings, but it wasn’t pain or anything like that. It was “just the feeling of not really having much behind it.
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Must be a very unnerving feeling……….so odd.
In other news, the TY won tonight in Dunedin 1-0. Romanski with his 2nd win of the season. Speaking of lefties, he is the only lefty pitcher that the TY has, for someone who loves lefties a lot, it saddens me that our only lefty is a starter and I missed him pitch tonight.
Isn’t it weird that this is how Hughes was “supposed” to start off last year.
Betsy
Your point seemed to be that since he got hit while throwing hard v. Texas and hit while not throwing hard in his first three starts that the issue isn’t velo.
But the issue is the process not the product.
If the process is right, i.e., throwing hard with movement, the product will be fine given a sufficient sample.
If it’s not right, i.e., throwing poorly like he is now, then the product will never be good.
“Was Sori not pitching tonight an issue on lohud???”
It drove me nuts but I’m ready to give up. The sheer mass of convoluted logic is just too great to deal with.
It’s becoming very clear that Soriano is going to get treated by the same LaRussa style rules that govern how closers get used.
He is only going to pitch when they have the lead, likely when it’s a save situation though that doesn’t even apply to the 8th.
In other words, even though Girardi has a spare closer to use as he wants that player will not be placed in situations where he can produce the most value and help the team win games to maximum effect.
Having your best (and now even second best) relief pitcher throw when your team has a 95% chance of winning rather than when your team has a coin flip 50-50 chance of winning is the recipe. It’s amazing, but true.
Pour. Mix. Stir. Bake at 450.
Betsy tying up the blog again?
Let’s call it Blog Clog….
Right, exactly what I was going to say. Joe is prescriptive and the prescription is Sori only pitches with the lead, and only in the 8th.
Rich, no the velo is an issue now because Phil should not be sitting at 89, but the point is that he had regular velo last year and got pounded….. Velocity is not the most important thing, that’s my point. If it were, then what happened against TX?
“my point was that Phil was throwing with normal velocity against Texas as Rich mentioned, but he still got pounded. ”
But he wasn’t throwing the ball the same way. So it’s a completely different situation that has no bearing on the current situation in any respect.
His problem is throwing.
And regarding kinetic chain – it’s a complicated issue but it’s the heart of pitching. Just google it and do some reading if you’re interested.
Betsy
I would assume that feeling is the same as sitting down to take an exam and flying through the multiple choice and getting to the Essay and totally not knowing any of the material to be able to write anything remotely coherent. If that is the case then I feel for him, not that I dont already, Phil has been one of my favorites and it makes me sad that he doesnt know why nothing is working for him. And the Lightning lost last night.
Geez – the same things about Hughes said over and over and over and over and over again.
i think girardi has done an excellent job of building bullpens each season hes been here. i dont agree with every move he makes, but he seems to get people into the right roles as the year goes on. so im not going to quibble. we also dont know if there is a minor physical issue they are not disclosing because they dont have to yet…
Geez – the same things about Hughes said over and over and over and over and over again.
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Can ya stand it?
It’s what I call Blog Clog…
tyanksfan36 April 15th, 2011 at 12:04 am
In other news, the TY won tonight in Dunedin 1-0. Romanski with his 2nd win of the season. Speaking of lefties, he is the only lefty pitcher that the TY has, for someone who loves lefties a lot, it saddens me that our only lefty is a starter and I missed him pitch tonight.
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Speaking of lefties, I am hoping to see Turley pitch when Charleston is in Lakewood, NJ. I had hoped to finally see Sanchez then; he had better be playing.
Also on that same lefty theme, Coke has thrown 93 pitches and is still pitching a shutout, leading 1-0 over Oakland.
Yankeefem
that is no bueno, I am sure that it will work out that you will eventually get to see them both pitch. I am wanting to go see Morrow pitch on Sunday but its not looking good.
LOL I wouldn’t understand it anyway, but thanks CB. My point to Rich still stands……….
Randy, I saw your post on the 9 stroke golfer. I also saw your snark. Pretty weak, geezer. You’re just jealous because I was sent on a all expenses paid world tour to display my golfing skills and you weren’t.
Betsy
For Phil at this point in his career, velo (and how he achieves it) is the most important thing.
Yankeefem
I am looking forward to June/July hoping some of the good position playing prospects move up. That Preston Claiborne in the bullpen, he can move up to Trenton right now, he has been my least favorite reliever so far, not one outing where he hasnt given up a run and in two of his three, he gave up home runs. I am hoping he gets better.
Rich, then he’s no different than Joba. I rememeber discussions on this board talking about how Joba needed his velocity, but Phil didn’t……….. What I’m saying is that he threw his normal velocity last fall and got pounded. I’m not saying that he doesn’t need velocity at all, just that having it is no guarantee of anything
Betsy
That applies to every pitcher in MLB. If you suddenly lose your velo, you’re going to struggle.
That’s different that incrementally decreasing velo as you age, and making gradual adjustments.
Similarly, every pitcher gets pounded at times. But I will bet on Phil being effective when he has stuff like that more times than not.
Guarantees don’t exist in life.
I can’t read this crap anymore, it is monotonous…
# Against All Odds April 14th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
# Betsy April 14th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Obliques, appendectomies……….they are the new hamstrings.
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Wonder why that is ? Hmmm……. Hip surgeries, obliques were never heard of 30 years ago. Hmmm…
Lot of ped’s been floatin’ around, Hmmm…….
tyanksfan36 April 15th, 2011 at 12:09 am
Yankeefem
that is no bueno, I am sure that it will work out that you will eventually get to see them both pitch. I am wanting to go see Morrow pitch on Sunday but its not looking good.
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I have seen Betances multiple times, and Manny once plus Futures; however, I have never seen Stoneburner… I’ve wanted to but had to choose between seeing him and Jose Ramirez last year, and chose the latter. Of course the game I missed was the Stoneburner 7IP, 2 hit, 11 K game. But Ramirez was sublime in his start, topping out at 97 and totally befuddling batters with his changeup.
Too bad about Morrow. I would love to see him pitch in a minor league ballpark.
Rich, I agree with your points in general. As to Phil being effective just with his velocity, I’ve never bought into that, but we shall see!
Jesus Montero(notes) entered the 2011 season ranked among baseball’s top-five prospects according to … well, according to pretty much everyone. BA had him third overall, behind only Bryce Harper(notes) and Mike Trout(notes). John Sickels graded the backstop near the top of the class. Keith Law ranked him fourth, giving an edge only to Trout, Harper and Domonic Brown(notes).
So basically there’s widespread agreement on the 21-year-old Yankees prospect. Montero has the potential to be an exceptional hitter, a guy with high-end power and on-base skills. Defense has been the primary concern, but, as Sickels wrote, “No one will care much about the glove in five years.” He projects as a valuable fantasy asset regardless of his position.
And then there’s this: Five games into the International League season, Montero is hitting .480 (12-for-25) with a homer, three doubles and six runs scored. He’s delivered four straight multi-hit efforts for Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. Not too shabby.
Naturally, Montero’s early binge has led to speculation about when and where New York might deal him, and which pitcher they’ll get in return. Here’s my favorite blurb from that NY Daily News link:
The Astros, off to an awful start, are in rebuilding mode. Would they deal Brett Myers(notes) ($18 million due for 2011-12, plus a $3 million buyout or a $10 million club option for 2013) as they start over?
OK, I’m not officially authorized to negotiate for Houston, but I’m just gonna go ahead and accept the Myers-Montero deal on the team’s behalf, pending approval. Please fax all necessary paperwork to my office. (Also: Please do not check Myers’ 2010 home/road splits. Nothing to see there).
There’s a decent chance that Montero will be this year’s most useful call-up for fantasy purposes, at least among position players. He may appear to be blocked at the moment in New York, but he’s clearly a trade chip — Montero was the key prospect in the near-deal for Cliff Lee(notes) last season — and there’s little doubt we’ll see him this year, assuming he remains healthy.
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By Andy Behrens