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Hughes to the DL

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 15, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi just announced that Phil Hughes is going on the disabled list. The Yankees do not believe he’s hurt, they just think he’s going through a dead arm period.

He is not joining the Triple-A rotation. The Yankees want him to do a lot of long toss but not start in five days. Last night Hughes showed some early signs of velocity, then he lost it.

“It was like he ran out of gas after two innings,” Girardi said.

Sounds like Bartolo Colon is moving into the rotation for the time being.

Lance Pendleton is coming up from Scranton.

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325 Responses to “Hughes to the DL”

  1. BD (Boston Dave) April 15th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Yankees got this right.

  2. ac1 April 15th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    I really do hope during this next 15 days, they send him for an MRI, just in case. What does it hurt?

  3. BD (Boston Dave) April 15th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Though I love that “dead arm” is DL eligible :)

  4. Erin April 15th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    For some reason, this makes me feel better than him being banished to AAA. lol

  5. The Hand of Satan April 15th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Why s he going to the Dominican League? Why not AAA?

  6. Erin April 15th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    BloggingBombers DL makes more sense than minors for Hughes. Can send him to Tampa to throw, then send him on minor-league rehab assignment.

  7. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 15th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    DL, Scranton, Tampa. Whatever.

    Toynbee and Santayana said that as long as he’s out of that rotation, it’s all that matters. The rest will take care of itself.

  8. ac1 April 15th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Hey DiceK spend 4 months on the DL for a dead arm either last year or in 2009.

  9. The Hand of Satan April 15th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    Queue the theme from Rocky on this one…

  10. JM April 15th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    But what did Nostradamus say?

  11. jeffc_76 April 15th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    (repost)
    DL rather than AAA seems like a face saving move for Hughes, but AAA might have benefited him more since he could face live hitters and gauge his progress. A little adversity isn’t necessarily a bad thing either. Hopefully he’ll at least make a “rehab start” or two after “recovering” from his “injury” before they just cross their fingers and throw him back out there against major league hitters.

  12. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Not sure that Pendleton is the answer. I’d rather they brought in Sisco.

  13. ac1 April 15th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Guess Colon is starting instead of Noesi. I worry about messing with what is working now, Colon out of the pen.

  14. Joe from Long Island April 15th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Yeah, it sounds like dl makes more sense. This gives them a lot more flexibility in the plans.

    Not the worst thing. By far. And, they have the luxury of guys who can fill in.

  15. BoJo April 15th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    New Post: Hughes Not Being Demoted, Just Promoted in a Different Direction :arrow:

  16. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    I have never been on the Gardner bandwagon.

    Well just add it to the things you’re wrong about :)

  17. Wave Your Hat April 15th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    With two days off next week, and Monday off the following week, I’d guess the Yanks go with a four man rotation and keep Colon in the pen for now.

  18. Joe from Long Island April 15th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Is Colon a definite for the SP role? Sounds like Joe likes having him come out of the pen. Has Noesi any experience coming out of the pen? Might be harder adjustment for the rookie than the vet like Colon did.

  19. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 4:19 pm

    Feliciano to the 60 day DL? Pendleton isn’t on the 40 man it looks like.

  20. tomingeorgia April 15th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Trisha and Bojo,
    I went to school in Boston, too, and Emerson recommends a little Aes Triplex.

  21. BoJo April 15th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    JM April 15th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    But what did Nostradamus say?
    _______________
    I think he said:
    “The sun will come up tomorrow,
    Bet your bottom dollar that tomorrow, they’ll be sun.

    That’ll be $5 for the forecast”

  22. 108 stitches April 15th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    Not sure that Pendleton is the answer. I’d rather they brought in Sisco

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Full agreement. Also, Hector Noesi is around. What role would Lance Pendleton have ?

  23. fiveironfromfenway April 15th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    ac1 – I am completely with you about the MRI. Takes an hour of someone’s time to possibly prevent disaster.

  24. Warning Track Power April 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Great move by the Yankees.
    This was the perfect answer to the Hughes situation.

    Has anybody wondered if Hughes might be suffering from a medical condition that
    is causing him to “run out of gas” so early in the game?

    Regardless, let’s get Hughes right. If it takes a 15 day stint on the DL in April, then make it happen. Hughes can/will help the Yankees win a lot of games in 2011

  25. hardwired7 April 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Millions of yrs of evolution, and the best we can come up with is “dead arm”?

    Cave men could make that call.

    “Him arm no good. Him have dead arm.”

  26. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Nostradamus said to tell the Yankees that if Phil wasn’t taken out of the rotation that

    Near the gates and within two cities
    There will be scourges the like of which was never seen,
    Famine within plague, people put out by steel,
    Crying to the great immortal God for relief.

    So good thing they did it! (The two cities obviously were NY and Tampa!)

    :)

  27. ac1 April 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    I agree Sisco makes more sense, to have another lefty.

  28. G. Love April 15th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    It’s the right move for Hughes at this point. To all the people who tried to say last night was an improvement, it clearly was not. I’m glad the Yankees didn’t extend this longer than they did.

    If there’s any chance of salvaging him as a starting pitcher, this was the necessary step.

    That said, I’m not convinced he won’t end up a reliever here. After seeing the kind of pitcher he was without his fastball, he truly only seems to have one pitch.

    Hopefully, when the velocity comes back they keep him in the minors to work on the rest of repetoire.

  29. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    Joe from Long Island April 15th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    Yeah, it sounds like dl makes more sense. This gives them a lot more flexibility in the plans.

    Not the worst thing. By far. And, they have the luxury of guys who can fill in.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Well, it buys him and the Yanks up to 45 days. 15 days to do his long tosses and another 30 days that he can make rehab starts.

  30. Joe from Long Island April 15th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    DL for long tossing, to build arm strength, for dead arm.

    Sounds like something out of the old pitching coach’s textbook.

    Would make Johnny Sain and Jim Kaat proud……

  31. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    What role would Lance Pendleton have ?

    Noesi to the Colon win games role, Pendleton to the Ayala/Noesi memorial garbage time role.

  32. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Good. Now they just need to send Gardner to the DL for ‘dead bat’.

  33. BoJo April 15th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    hardwired7 April 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
    Millions of yrs of evolution, and the best we can come up with is “dead arm”?

    Cave men could make that call.

    “Him arm no good. Him have dead arm.”
    _____________
    Archeologist: “Hmmm, rest of body dead too.”

  34. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    i like that alot better than aaa. if they just skipped him in the rotation with the offdays this week, he could have been pushed back to the 26th which would have been 12 days, so 14 is not much longer if hes ready to go then.

    i think they havent announced another starter b/c they dont need one till the 26th

  35. Joe from Long Island April 15th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Leaving the office now, will catch up later, while making dinner.

    (oven baked salmon, with roaster asparagus, GB……..)

  36. West Coast Yankee Fan April 15th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Good move on Hughes, it shows patience and won’t be seen as a demotion. Best case scenario.

  37. ac1 April 15th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Good. Now they just need to send Gardner to the DL for ‘dead bat’.

    _____

    classic.

  38. BoJo April 15th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    trisha – true pinstriped blue April 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
    Nostradamus said to tell the Yankees that if Phil wasn’t taken out of the rotation that

    Near the gates and within two cities
    There will be scourges the like of which was never seen,
    Famine within plague, people put out by steel,
    Crying to the great immortal God for relief.
    _______________________-
    Are you sure he wasn’t referring to Citifield?

  39. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    108 stitches April 15th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
    GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    Not sure that Pendleton is the answer. I’d rather they brought in Sisco

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Full agreement. Also, Hector Noesi is around. What role would Lance Pendleton have ?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Mop-up, long relief and spot starts. He was a Rule 5 pick by Houston and they returned him. Maybe they’re trying to get somebody interested in him and move him out.

  40. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Joe,

    Salmon is an excellent source of antioxidants.

    Top 5 Brain Foods

    http://www.brainready.com/blog.....foods.html

  41. bwolfsohn April 15th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    If the major league staff can get by, i’m hoping they re-construct hughes delivery, to not only deal with the dead arm, but the lack of movement… every fastball was straight.. no movement at all…

    leave him down for a good portion of the season working on the basics, as well as the arm strength..

  42. Warning Track Power April 15th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Gardner-Don’t get me started on this guy.
    He deserves the game off tonight to collect himself and get right.

  43. JM April 15th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    # trisha – true pinstriped blue April 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Nostradamus said to tell the Yankees that if Phil wasn’t taken out of the rotation that

    Near the gates and within two cities
    There will be scourges the like of which was never seen,
    Famine within plague, people put out by steel,
    Crying to the great immortal God for relief.

    So good thing they did it! (The two cities obviously were NY and Tampa!)

    :)
    ___________________

    Sheesh, good thing they DL’ed Phil…There have certainly been enough scourges in the world so far in 2011…. :)

  44. G. Love April 15th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    My wife said last night that Gardner should just go up to the plate without a bat. Even she turned on him. I suspect racism.

    Gardner will be fine but he should be platooned until he shows he’s out of this slump.

  45. BoJo April 15th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    The over/under folks on Phil Hughes are not going to be happy.

  46. hardwired7 April 15th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    Pendleton’s Baseball Cube pg:

    http://www.thebaseballcube.com.....-Pendleton

    88 starts in 102 minor league appearances.

  47. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Warning Track Power,

    No need to worry. I got started on Gardner a long time ago.

    Stuckey remembers. Right stuckey?

    LGY and Jerkface.

    You gentlemen get the gist too.

  48. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    e from Long Island April 15th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
    Leaving the office now, will catch up later, while making dinner.

    (oven baked salmon, with roaster asparagus, GB……..)

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Joe, I thought doctors were supposed to be humane and compassionate towards their fellow mankind. That’s just cruel to say that to a starving man.

  49. Erin April 15th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Top 5 Brain Foods

    http://www.brainready.com/blog…..foods.html

    *******************
    I’m all set….chocolate is on the list ;)

  50. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    Erin,

    Hey! No cheating.

  51. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    “Crying to the great immortal God for relief.”

    personally i think they should have the moortal gods in the rotation… :)

  52. CB April 15th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    This was clearly warranted. There was no purpose whatsoever to keeping Hughes at the major league level given the problems with how he was throwing the ball.

    It was counterproductive for the team and more importantly for Hughes. Given how down his arm was throwing a few innings in a game situation was simply not going to allow him to get the structured work required to rebuild his arm.

    As long as Hughes is not hurt this isn’t likely to be a major long term problem. That Hughes was even marginally better last night (not good enough to compete at this level – but better) with some long tossing for a few days is a good sign.

    The worst thing for Hughes was to try to keep forcing him to compete at the major league level with none of his tools.

    My biggest concern with all of this was that if Hughes isn’t injured now, he would injure himself trying to overthrow to generate more velocity on the ball because he needed to scotch tape a way to get outs against competition that mattered.

    As long as he’s not hurt, he is going to get over this and be fine.

    The key thing was to stop trying to address the symptoms (e.g. he needs to locate better, etc) and solve the root cause problem.

    And that root cause problem is how he was physically throwing the ball – not how he was pitching.

  53. ac1 April 15th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    AndrewMarchand Great work by @ianbegley, Hughes is not hurt but going to DL
    ___

    Yankees are totally within the rules to do this. Who complained about the Sox letting DiceK sit on the DL for most of a season with the same dead arm?

    Cant wait to hear people try to call the Yankees cheaters for doing it this way.

  54. blake April 15th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Here is the deal with the MRI stuff (and others have said this). If they take an MRI then they are likely to find something abnormal as he’s a pitcher and it’s an unnatural motion to throw a baseball overhand.

    If he’s having no symptoms do they want him thinking about something that an MRI showed that could be irrelevant and totally benign? The answer is probably not.

  55. Erin April 15th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
    Erin,

    Hey! No cheating.

    **********************
    You’re no fun. :P

  56. Chris W April 15th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    I was loudly advocating that Hughes couldn’t just be sent away because the fans were unhappy last night, so I’ll chip in here.

    I’m going to trust the Yankees know what they are doing. If they think that Phil needs to stop pitching and build strength, I’m going to assume that they know Phil’s body and mechanics a hell of a lot better than any of us. I’m also going to trust that Phil won’t just be sitting around, but he’ll be working with Rothchild and maybe Connors to get straightened out.

    It’ll be nice to see Pendleton get some big league experience. I’ve been a fan of him for a while.

  57. BoJo April 15th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    “Crying to the great immortal God for relief.”

    personally i think they should have the moortal gods in the rotation…
    ___________
    Boras would demand top dollar….

  58. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    I also recall Jerkface and LGY gangbanging me for my bearish views on Phil Hughes.

    You gentlemen have been a pleasure to work with.

    I’m still waiting for LGY to ‘throw it in my face’ once Hughes proves he’s ace material.

    Word has it he’s really looking forward to that.

  59. CB April 15th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    “That said, I’m not convinced he won’t end up a reliever here. After seeing the kind of pitcher he was without his fastball, he truly only seems to have one pitch.”

    G.Love,

    I don’t think it’s possible to draw any valid conclusions about hughes as a pitcher from this stretch of time when his throwing mechanics and arm were so off.

    For example, his curve was terrible this season. But that’s no surprise at all. Just look at how slow his arm was and how he wasn’t finishing his pitches.

    You can’t throw a normal curve if you can’t generate expected arm speed and finish your pitches. It’s just not possible to get bite on the ball.

    His problem is not pitching. It’s throwing. Fix the throwing and then he’ll get back on track developing as a pitcher.

    I don’t know if you’ve watched any of Aroldis Chapman this season but he looks horrible as well because his velocity is down. His slider isn’t any good because he simply doesn’t have the arm speed he had before to spin the ball the same way.

  60. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    BTW, How is Danny Haren doing?

  61. ac1 April 15th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Bret, Hughes will be back….

  62. ac1 April 15th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    yes looking back it would have been nice to complete that Haren trade, but it’s in the past.

    Yankees are in first, with some pretty eh pitching so far.

  63. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    BTW, How is Danny Haren doing?

    The guy I wanted the Yankees to trade for? :|

  64. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    I also recall Jerkface and LGY gangbanging me for my bearish views on Phil Hughes.

    Gangbanging?

  65. Erin April 15th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    JackCurryYES As Yankee rotation spins, Colon is in 4 Hughes. Silva isn’t major lg ready. Neither is Millwood, whose closer than Silva

  66. BoJo April 15th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
    BTW, How is Danny Haren doing?
    _________
    No one likes an “I told you so…”

    But hey, how’s Gio Gonzalez doing!?!

  67. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    ac1,

    I still think he has a shot…

    to be a number 3 at best.

    I really don’t see ace material and have never seen it.

    I’ll of course take a mid-rotation arm over what we have now and run with it.

    It’s amazing to think that Ivan Nova is our number 3 starter. Cashman has his work cut out for him which is why I basically shat on him since last year’s trade deadline and throughout the off season.

    The guy really failed us.

  68. BoJo April 15th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    :-)

  69. ac1 April 15th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Forget Millwood please. Truthfully i would rather bring up the rookies one at a time before Millwood shows his face in NY.

  70. BD (Boston Dave) April 15th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    “Guess Colon is starting instead of Noesi. I worry about messing with what is working now, Colon out of the pen.”

    ———————

    Colon has started 325 games in his career. Prior to this season, he appeared in THREE games that he didn’t start.

    He is throwing the ball very well. Considering he’s more comfortable starting, I don’t see even the slightest risk in letting him start – unless you’re suggesting he doesn’t yet have the stamina.

    Colon has earned a chance to start in Phil’s place. He is pitching about as well as anybody else on the team.

  71. YankeesNmore April 15th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    The great Phil Hughes???

    But he won 18 games last year??? Who cares that his ERA was 5 over his 23 starts and two relief appearances???

  72. BoJo April 15th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Bret–

    I agree with you about Hughes being a number 3. To me, Joba has more potential as an ace.

  73. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Bojo,

    Gio Gonzalez would’ve been nice. You destroyed in that debate. I followed it and couldn’t believe you were outnumbered but still manhandled your detractors.

    Not happening now though.

  74. Erin April 15th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
    I also recall Jerkface and LGY gangbanging me for my bearish views on Phil Hughes.

    ***********************

    8O

  75. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Bret,

    Are you really taking a victory lap because you think 35 AB’s somehow proves 477 were an aberration?

    Fine, we can play that game if you like.

    David Dejesus has the exact same OPS as Bret Gardner.

    Which column of yours does that go in?

  76. hardwired7 April 15th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Joba threw one curve last night. He really broke it off.

    One pitch out of that entire appearance, mixed in almost effortlessly, and it was better than any curve Phil has thrown in ages. Something is just not right about that.

    Fix it, please, Jobu.

  77. CRyan24 April 15th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Hey Everyone,

    A friend of mine was supposed to take 2 tickets off of me for tonight’s game. I have 2 seats in 426, row 4. Looking to get rid of them, I can email them. Email me if interested.

    catherine.m.ryan10@gmail.com

  78. ac1 April 15th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    YankeesNmore April 15th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
    The great Phil Hughes???

    But he won 18 games last year??? Who cares that his ERA was 5 over his 23 starts and two relief appearances???

    __

    Yep, something negative happens and look who shows up. Shocker!

  79. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Stuckey,

    You want more?

  80. G. Love April 15th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    CB,

    I hope you’re right. We need a young arm that we can depend on in the rotation.

    My reasoning for thinking reliever is that Hughes seems to throw the same pitch an awful lot. We heard a lot of rumblings last season about how his stuff looks the same to hitters after awhile. His secondary pitches never developed enough for him to feel confident in using them.

    That said, if the arm action gets back to speed and it helps the other pitches than I’ll revise my theory. I just think he needs more than a hard fastball to last as a major league pitcher. It’s very samey samey for Hughes. If he has the blowaway fastball, he can beat any team, but I think he needs more than that to compete for a full season or on nights that fastball doesn’t pop like it did early last year.

  81. BoJo April 15th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
    Bojo,

    Gio Gonzalez would’ve been nice. You destroyed in that debate. I followed it and couldn’t believe you were outnumbered but still manhandled your detractors.

    Not happening now though.
    _____
    Thanks, but I was just kidding about getting recognition…it’s just all in fun.

  82. Giuseppe Franco April 15th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    So Bret is going to rip others for their views on Gardner and Hughes?

    Perhaps they should just whine about the Yanks not getting Crawford, DeJesus, and Soria instead?

    Funny stuff coming from the sap who just said a week ago that Jon Flaherty would be a better GM than Cashman.

  83. Fran the original April 15th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    I think that the Yankees are doing the right thing with Hughes. There is something definitely not right and Phil is too valuable to the rotation to mess around.

  84. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 15th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    G. Love, one thing we agreed on from jump street was that Phil should not be working out his problems on the mound.

    To have put him back out there after watching his three performances would have been cruel to him, not to mention debilitating to the club.

    We’ve seen pitchers go through struggles and get the ball 5 days later. But those pitchers have still shown the ability to pitch well enough at different times that they needed to be out there pitching to get straightened out. What was going on with Hughes was entirely different. He basically had nothing.

    I don’t care where he works out his problems, as long as it’s not on a major league mound pitching for the Yankees.

    Maybe they’ve finally learned.

    Good move, Yankees.

  85. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Ac1,

    I’ve read Yankeesnmore and I think he’s entitled to some negative views on this team. True there’s alot to like about it but it gets old when people in denial defend players that deserve harsh, brutally honest criticism. It’s got to the point where with Gardner for instance, people were predicting him to be the top leadoff hitter in baseball this year after he thoroughly proved in the 2nd half 2010 that he has no clue how to swing a baseball bat.

  86. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Guiseppe,

    You have a personal thing with me. Tough shat for you. Good luck with that.

  87. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Gio Gonzalez 5.7 BB/9 6.6 K/9 :|

  88. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    With the mauer situation going, this could be a chance to hold a hammer on the Twins to get Liriano and one of their outfielders. since Young will cost the upwards of $8 mil and Cuddyer and Kubel are FAs at the end of the year, a deal involving Romine, DJ Mitchell, Gardner and maybe Phelps and a couple of others, like infielders, would be of interest.

  89. BD (Boston Dave) April 15th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    “I also recall Jerkface and LGY gangbanging me for my bearish views on Phil Hughes.”

    ————–

    JF and LGY have some explaining to do!

  90. BoJo April 15th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Have to run some chores…see you all later.

  91. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    “You want more?”

    If it pertains to anything you and I ever talked about, of course.

  92. ac1 April 15th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    I’ve read Yankeesnmore and I think he’s entitled to some negative views on this team. True there’s alot to like about it but it gets old when people in denial defend players that deserve harsh, brutally honest criticism. It’s got to the point where with Gardner for instance, people were predicting him to be the top leadoff hitter in baseball this year after he thoroughly proved in the 2nd half 2010 that he has no clue how to swing a baseball bat.

    ___

    Yes, but there is a lot of positive and you only get negative from him…. To get people to care and not call you a troll, you have to talk about the good things too.

  93. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    What was Gardner proving before he got injured, that he could accidentally bat .320?

  94. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Bojo,

    It was still nice to watch you bully the board bullies.

  95. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    JF and LGY have some explaining to do!

    At least it proves we’re two people :)

  96. blake April 15th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    I would take Kubel just so he couldn’t hit against the Yankees anymore.

  97. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Bret and YankeesNmore – two peas in a pod

  98. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 15th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    “Hey Everyone,

    A friend of mine was supposed to take 2 tickets off of me for tonight’s game. I have 2 seats in 426, row 4. Looking to get rid of them, I can email them. Email me if interested.

    catherine.m.ryan10@gmail.com

    Lohuddites – do NOT email anyone directly. If you want to respond to this, maybe do it through Chad. Nobody should be putting their email address out to anyone else unless you know and trust the person.

    JMO

    No offense to the CR poster…

  99. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Man oh man Bret and YankeesNMore just handing out the gangbangs today.. brutal

  100. Giuseppe Franco April 15th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    # Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Guiseppe,

    You have a personal thing with me. Tough shat for you. Good luck with that.

    ——–

    It’s not personal at all. You just don’t have any idea what you’re talking about roughly 90% of the time.

  101. blake April 15th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    The Yankees have played 11 games….Gardner is struggling right now but this is the road they have taken with their outfield situation….you have to let it play out and give him a chance to get it together. I think he’ll be fine

  102. CB April 15th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    “His secondary pitches never developed enough for him to feel confident in using them. ”

    G.Love,

    You are right in the big picture. But right now it’s important not to mix throwing and pitching. They are related but different.

    Throwing is the basis for pitching.

    And there is no question that Hughes needs to develop as a pitcher. First and foremost that means refining his off speed stuff. He definitely has a lot of work to do there.

    But that’s also not that unusual for a player his age.

    Right now though it is impossible for him to develop as a pitcher because he cannot throw the ball as he normally does. It just can’t be done.

    He can’t develop his change up if he has no arm speed. You just can’t do it. Pedro Martinez’s couldn’t throw a change up effectively with no arm speed. It’s not a change up. It’s just a cookie.

    So I think they are two separate issues. He does need to become more well rounded. But that’s for later.

    Right now he just needs to get back to throwing the ball right.

    Once he does that you get him back on his development trajectory as a pitcher.

    But until you fix his throwing nothing else is possible.

    I think he’ll be ok as long as he isn’t hurt. And my biggest worry was that he’d get hurt trying to compete without tools by going at some maximum exertion approach.

  103. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Point is, if you mock and deride people and carry on like a know it all…some people keep track and they will throw it back in your face when the opportunity arises.

    It’s payback for taking the fun out of this board.

    It’s a natural outcome of taking yourself and baseball too seriously to the point where you don’t even notice when you’re personally insulting to fellow Yankees fans.

    PS

    JOAKIM SORIA!!!

    :lol:

  104. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Cuddyer and Young are OPSing under .600, they’ll fit right into our outfield.

  105. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    It’s not personal at all. You just don’t have any idea what you’re talking about roughly 90% of the time.

    That’s nice of you to say..

  106. 4 NYY April 15th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    # 4 NYY April 15th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    # Yankee Trader April 15th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Yes Charlie Ward- Born in GA, drafted by the Yankees and Brewers, played for the NY Knicks and declined an offer, while with the Knicks to be Joe Montana’s backup QB in KC.
    ==========================================

    That’s 4 different sports leagues ?

    Weren’t Yanks and Brewers both in A. L. then ?

  107. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Guiseppe,

    Well, for what it’s worth, your head is so far up your rear end too, it’s not even funny.

    :lol:

    Ok, it is.

  108. Nick in SF April 15th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    If Hughes starts fewer than 25 games, the over/under bet is No Action.

    Take your time, Phil.

  109. CRyan24 April 15th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Trisha,

    my apologies, didn’t mean to break the rules. wasnt sure of the best way, figured someone might want the tickets.

    i’ll find a friend who is bored on a friday and wants the tickets! sorry about the infraction!

  110. G. Love April 15th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    CB,

    I’m with you there. I felt the more the velocity was talked about the more Phil was going to try to muscle up to show the Yankees something and that would lead to injury.

    What’s interesting to me is how adamant the Yankees and Hughes are he is not injured. I wonder if they have already done some kind of testing but kept it hush hush.

    In any event, this was the right move and Colon deserves the ball every 5th day for now.

    All Hughes can do is keep trying to get his velocity back. I hope the long tossing works like it has for other young pitchers.

    As for Chapman, I don’t get too many chances to see him throw but if he’s lost 10mph off his stuff, that’s horrible.

  111. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    CB,

    I think a lot of people think about how Hughes has lost velocity and figure that because a curve or a change are slower pitches he can just throw those with 100% effectiveness. For anyone that’s actually pitched competitively (shut up, high school counts! :) ) they would know that simply isn’t the case. If there’s nothing behind your pitches, it doesn’t matter what you throw, unless it’s a knuckle ball. Arm strength is needed for all pitches you throw. Mechanics matter more. Right now, Phil Hughes has neither.

  112. Erin April 15th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    BrianCoz Sorry for the wrong info on Hughes. My source got it mixed up. My apologies.

  113. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 15th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    You did not break any rules. We’re careful around here about emailing people directly. But I’m sure that if anyone is interested in the tickets they will contact Chad and ask Chad to act as intermediary.

  114. Wave Your Hat April 15th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Can’t we all just learn to get along?

  115. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    CRyan24,

    Not an infraction, I think trisha is just warning you about handing out your email address on this blog in particular. It can be very dangerous

  116. Giuseppe Franco April 15th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    What is payback? You’re nonsense?

    I don’t have any issues with most people who post here. It just seems you take offense to people calling you on your BS and whining.

  117. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Not an infraction, I think trisha is just warning you about handing out your email address on this blog in particular. It can be very dangerous

    I think the warning is that its a honeypot

  118. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    “Point is, if you mock and deride people and carry on like a know it all…some people keep track and they will throw it back in your face when the opportunity arises.”

    Is this intended for me?

    I fail to see your “point”. All I’ve ever said of Gardner is he’d be perfectly fine manning down LF and the #9 hole on THIS Yankees team, and I think I was spot on in 2010 and anyone with any ounce of sense knows it’s too early to make a judgment on 2011. Because, yeah, I don’t think guys like Gardner and Dejesus are this bad.

    So what are you throwing back in my face exactly?

  119. Captain Clutch April 15th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Interesting….

    The Yankees considered sending him to the minor leagues, but it appears Hughes talked the Yankees out of that decision.

    “It’s something they talked to me (about), but I didn’t necessarily think doing the same thing I had been doing would work,” Hughes said before the Yankees opened a series with the Rangers.

    “It’s not working. I feel I need time to strengthen my arm.”

    http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....um=twitter

  120. Giuseppe Franco April 15th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    # Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Guiseppe,

    Well, for what it’s worth, your head is so far up your rear end too, it’s not even funny.

    ———–

    I’ll compare my reputation against yours for Yankee Baseball and realism any time you like.

  121. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    myself and joe Franco are now buds

  122. Erin April 15th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    ColinCurtis425 Just got home… comeback begins

  123. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    I didn’t say anything about getting Cuddyer. I said he and Kubel were FAs. Young is a different story. I’d prefer him over “Stand And Watch” Gardner. Speed doesn’t help much when you can’t get on base.

  124. Mike_Boston April 15th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Brett,
    So you don’t think Gardner’s injury had anything to do with his poor 2nd half, really? I’m sure the scouts figured out how to pitch him better and he has to make his adjustments, I’m not denying that at all because it played a factor too. He worked with k-Long in the off season and this spring, his new swing is clearly work in progress, but to say that he can’t hit at all and the proof being the 2nd half last year is just plain dumb.

  125. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    I think the warning is that its a honeypot

    First though upon reading this: Archer

  126. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    I didn’t say anything about getting Cuddyer. I said he and Kubel were FAs. Young is a different story. I’d prefer him over “Stand And Watch” Gardner. Speed doesn’t help much when you can’t get on base.

    Delmon Young currently hitting .200, has a history of not getting on base. Lacks plate discipline. His power really came on last year though. I suppose you’d simply complain about him hacking at everything were he on the yankees.

  127. Nick in SF April 15th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Maybe my perspective is a little different, but I find it unseemly for Bret to come on here right now and want to trash talk about people being inaccurate in their predictions.

  128. hardwired7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    from Pete’s board:

    “Crawful”

    nice one.

  129. Giuseppe Franco April 15th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Trying to hit consistently with a bad wrist is pretty tough to do.

  130. Irreverent Discourse April 15th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Giuseppe – Are you insinuating he got some punctuation in the correct places?

  131. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Gardner really needs to swing the bat early in the count…he has a lot of two strikes counts on him

  132. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Mike_Boston,

    A 28 year old with a swing in progress?

    Cripes the guy is arbitration eligible after this season, I believe.

    It’s getting late early for him, IMHO.

    But my opinion sucks so take it with a grain of salt.

    Seriously though, never liked his swing.

    BB is important, but still, you need a swing in this game or it will catch up with you.

  133. Wave Your Hat April 15th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Gardner was too good at times last year to be as bad as he’s showing now. He’s a very valuable player if he can get his BA up to .265 and his OBP at .360. Maybe drop him in the lineup but he needs to play. You aren’t going to like Jones vs RHP anyway.

  134. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Maybe my perspective is a little different, but I find it unseemly for Bret to come on here right now and want to trash talk about people being inaccurate in their predictions.

    He just wants to hand out gangbangs of his own after being gangbanged repeatedly by jerkface and LGY

  135. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    They should summon Scott Aldred.

  136. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
    It’s not personal at all. You just don’t have any idea what you’re talking about roughly 90% of the time.

    That’s nice of you to say..

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It really is. GF gave him a 10% benefit of the doubt. That’s 10% more than anyone else would give him.

  137. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Nick,

    You have every right to say that and I admit I was wrong about Crawford. I thought the Yankees would do more to bring him in.

    My house filled today BTW so we’re close to closure.

    My sincere apologies for the delay.

  138. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    I think pitchers have a scouting report on Gardner now which involves challenging him to hit his way on base.

    Its widely known that he took tons of pitches last year….they are coming right after him and he’s still trying to work the count. In addition to that he looks uncomfortable with his new swing. He’s going to have to change his approach and make pitchers pay for challenging him…

  139. Tom in N.J. April 15th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    gangbangs?

  140. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Let’s be clear.

    Personally I think anyone who continually focuses on the negative in regards to what’s unarguably the most successful baseball franchise of the contemporary era is merely reflecting their own personality.

    I also enjoy having a little fun with people who every year start the season convinced THIS is the year the Yankees have too many weaknesses to make the PS.

    Yankees will make the postseason this year even if Phil Hughes never wins a game for them.

    That said, I have all the respect for reasoned, factual criticism and in fact enjoy responding to it. I’m not a group hug/rah-rah guy at all.

    But pretenders like Larry who personally derides baseball players who happen to commit the sin of struggling on the field deserve every once of condescension that receive, from me or anyone else.

  141. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    gangbangs?

    Read Bret’s 4:35 pm post

  142. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Girardi with Francesa now.

  143. Gary April 15th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    The current problem with Gardner beyond the stats is how awful he looks up there. I saw a post about him getting to .265, the way he’s approaching his AB’s and the way he’s swinging he has to get to .200 first.

  144. hardwired7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Surprised Phil isn’t at least a little intrigued by Scranton, being a big fan of The Office and all.

  145. Giuseppe Franco April 15th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    # GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
    It’s not personal at all. You just don’t have any idea what you’re talking about roughly 90% of the time.

    That’s nice of you to say..

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It really is. GF gave him a 10% benefit of the doubt. That’s 10% more than anyone else would give him.

    ———–

    LOL. GB. Yeah, I’m all heart.

  146. BD (Boston Dave) April 15th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Tom in NJ

    Bret’s post at 4:35 about how JF and LGY gangbanged him.

  147. Steve Howe was a True Yankee April 15th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Hughes, Joba and IPK sure didn’t add up to much. Makes you wonder about Montero and the B’s.

  148. Erin April 15th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    hardwired7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
    Surprised Phil isn?t at least a little intrigued by Scranton, being a big fan of The Office and all.

    ********************
    With Michael Scott leaving, he could be the new boss!! ;)

  149. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    ynm is a yankees troll. he doesnt seem to actually ever root for any yankees, but he has a yankees blog that nobody ever goes to. he only comes here to try to drive hits on it. i dont believe he believes anything he posts here. he brings nothing to the blog and is only looking to profit.

    a troll in my book.

  150. Tom in N.J. April 15th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Bret was gangbanged here?

    By jerkface and lgy?

    :shock:

  151. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Bret was gangbanged here?

    By jerkface and lgy?

    :shock:

    Apparently so.

  152. Irreverent Discourse April 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Gary – If Gardner gets 3 hits in one game this weekend he’ll be over .200, care to revise your hyperbole?

  153. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Steve Howe,

    I love Banuelos, but still, I could be wrong. I wouldn’t trade him, period.

    Betances, Brackman and Montero I don’t love nearly as much.

    Again, I’m probably wrong (well, let’s just say 90% probability I’m wrong, for argument’s sake).

    It will be interesting to see who stays and who goes at the trade deadline.

  154. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    “Hughes, Joba and IPK sure didn’t add up to much. Makes you wonder about Montero and the B’s.”

    Only if you are an idiot or troll that doesn’t understand the concept of a development curve and/or think all prospects are fungible.

  155. Against All Odds April 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    # Steve Howe was a True Yankee April 15th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Hughes, Joba and IPK sure didn’t add up to much. Makes you wonder about Montero and the B’s.

    ————————————————-

    Montero should pan out whether it’s at catcher or another position. Hitting isn’t the problem…pitching is another story

  156. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Gardner would be better off talking a shot at the straight fastballs down the middle of the plate on one of the first 2 pitches instead of trying to fight back from 0-2 pitches every time. He has 4 walks and 6 hits. And 13 strikeouts. Impressive. He’ll be fighting mark Reynolds for the AL strikeout record.

  157. Captain Clutch April 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Gardner has never readjusted to how pitchers are pitching to him. They know he is extremely patient so they pound him with fastballs early in the count and he doesn’t swing and then he is behind in the count. Then he always has to swing at a pitchers pitch because he has 2 strikes on him and he didn’t even swing the bat yet. He has to start swinging at the 1st or 2nd pitch so pitchers know that they can’ just throw a fastball right down the middle.

  158. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    “Steve Howe was a True Yankee April 15th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
    Hughes, Joba and IPK sure didn’t add up to much. Makes you wonder about Montero and the B’s.”

    /////

    cokehead, you left out rivera, posada, jeter, pettitte, williams, oh and cano…

    but your man howe is something to be proud of…

  159. Gary April 15th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Irreverent Discourse April 15th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
    Gary – If Gardner gets 3 hits in one game this weekend he’ll be over .200, care to revise your hyperbole?

    ________________________________________________________________________

    I guess I could say that if he doesn’t get 3 hits in a game he gets closer to .100 As of late he hasn’t been getting any hits.

  160. Giuseppe Franco April 15th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Well said stuckey @ 5:04pm.

    In my opinion, the success this organization has had in the past 15 years should speak for itself.

    They DESERVE the benefit of the doubt. They’ve earned that. At least I think they have.

    But some people continue to focus on the negative anyways. It shouldn’t be that way, but sadly, it is.

  161. Irreverent Discourse April 15th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    GB7 has gone off the deep end, trolls getting to him?

    He’ll be fighting mark Reynolds for the AL strikeout record.

    That’s just a stupid statement and you know it.

  162. Nick in SF April 15th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Bret,

    No worries, I just want to get things settled before all this gangbanging catches up to you. :neutral:

  163. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Yankees better have their hitting shoes on this series there will be a lot of runs scored in the next two games

  164. Irreverent Discourse April 15th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Gary – google “small sample size” and come back in like an hour.

  165. Mike_Boston April 15th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    I agree that you need a swing to make it Brett but 1 bad half while playing hurt doesn’t condemn the guy. He had a great 1/2 half last year and that wasn’t an accident. The book on him came out and he needs to make his adjustments which I have faith that he/Long will make. Give him more than 2 weeks before saying he’s done.

  166. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    I think pitchers have a scouting report on Gardner now which involves challenging him to hit his way on base.

    Its widely known that he took tons of pitches last year…

    But why wouldn’t they know that last year??? Or during the year? He saw 4 p/pa in 09 and 3.88 in 08, his first year in the league! I really don’t buy the scouting report angle.

    Pitchers got lazy last year?

  167. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    better off ***taking*** a shot at the straight fastballs

    or. maybe talking the ball off of the bat would work after all. It’s the only contact he make.

  168. Gary April 15th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    This guy going to night fior Texas tonight looks like a real test, Left hander 1.29 ERA gone 7 innings in each of his first two starts giving up 1 run in each. If the Yanks can hit him it would be a good indicator.

  169. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    “Gary – google “small sample size” and come back in like an hour.”

    Then he can tutor Bret on the subject.

  170. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    # GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Gardner would be better off talking a shot at the straight fastballs down the middle of the plate on one of the first 2 pitches instead of trying to fight back from 0-2 pitches every time. He has 4 walks and 6 hits. And 13 strikeouts. Impressive. He’ll be fighting mark Reynolds for the AL strikeout record.
    ——————————————————-
    when did you get on the bad side of Gardner

  171. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Nick in SF,

    The loudmouths on this board are wrong too. That’s the only point I intend to highlight here.

    The gangbanging is standard procedure. If you can curb it every now and then, all the better.

  172. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    If Gardner wants to fight Mark Reynolds for the K record he’s going to have to get through Curtis Granderson first. Striking out more than Gardner *right now*

  173. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    GB7,

    They are going to keep pumping strikes to him until he makes them pay for doing so. As I said last night, he seems more concerned with seeing pitches than with hitting at times. I do think he will be ok though….he’s just going to have to adjust his approach as the league has to him.

  174. LGY April 15th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Very pleasantly surprised by this news.

  175. igotid88 April 15th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Hughes will get to 200 inning this year.

  176. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Bret do you seriously not know what gangbanging is?

  177. bruceb April 15th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Anyone will to take Santana for Hughes now?

  178. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Gardner isn’t putting the balls he is swinging at early in the count into play. He needs to either get back to his old swing, or just keep working at his new swing.

  179. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    should I pick up Martin..but I’ll have to drop Soto

  180. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Anyone will to take Santana for Hughes now?

    lol no

  181. MTU April 15th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    I’m very happy.

    So glad the Yankees have come to the the decision they did.

    Some of us had a discussion about the possiblities for Phil earlier in the day.

    DL was one of them. I actually thought they would just skip a start and then reevaluate.

    I like this option even better. Now send him for an MRI just to be sure there are no significant physical issues which could impede
    his progress and I’ll be 100% satisfied.

    Long toss should help eventually.

    Excellent move IMHO.

    :)

  182. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    # bruceb April 15th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Anyone will to take Santana for Hughes now?
    ———————-
    nope….

  183. Steve Howe was a True Yankee April 15th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Lil’ sensitive Rich ? Is one of those 3 your brother-in-law ? Just a commentary on how shiny prospects can lose their luster at the top level.

    Breathe a little deeper. Relax.

  184. RadioKev April 15th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    # bruceb April 15th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Anyone will to take Santana for Hughes now?
    ———–

    Is that a joke?

  185. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Gardner actually walked more in the 2nd half than the 1st, his hitting suffered due to his wrist. Maybe its still suffering.

  186. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Jerkface,

    Maybe because it wasn’t until this year that every broadcast talked about how.many pitches Gardner saw. Also he’s hitting atop the lineup now and is being paid more attention to than he was last year. Does it not look like pitchers are daring him to swing the bat to you?

  187. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    it really seems like the positive posters have been run out of this room and all thats left is a bunch of whiners who will never be happy no matter how well things are going.

    there are a few exceptions but they are rapidly dwindling.

    Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!

  188. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    “Anyone will to take Santana for Hughes now?”

    Only if the reason is to sponge off of Santana’s money.

  189. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Gardner never had a good swing before the wrist injury, therefore I think it’s an excuse and a poor one.

  190. igotid88 April 15th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Gardner needs to show bunt more or actually bunt.

  191. Gary April 15th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Irreverent Discourse April 15th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
    Gary – google “small sample size” and come back in like an hour.

    _______________________________________________________________________

    Goggle says 4/35 with 13K’s in the last 10 games and 2 RBI’s, your right it is a small sample size. Maybe after 80 games it becomes more relevant.

  192. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    “Lil’ sensitive Rich ? Is one of those 3 your brother-in-law ? Just a commentary on how shiny prospects can lose their luster at the top level.”

    No, I just deal in facts, not bs.

    “Breathe a little deeper. Relax.”

    That’s kind of strange advice coming from a cokehead.

  193. hardwired7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Gardner to the DL with a dead bat.

  194. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    “If the Yanks can hit him it would be a good indicator.”

    Of what?

    Arod, Cano, Teixeira, Swisher, Posada, Granderson, et al are some unknown quantities we’re waiting for more results from?

  195. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Patrick,

    Do you know what a metaphor is or do you take everything so literally for good reason?

  196. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Why are some people so concerned about Gardner, but not Jeter?

  197. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Considering the Yankees would be paying Santana 25 million to have shoulder surgery this season….yea Id still rather have Hughes.

  198. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    relax and steve howe……where do i start…. :)

  199. RadioKev April 15th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    # blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Considering the Yankees would be paying Santana 25 million to have shoulder surgery this season….yea Id still rather have Hughes.
    ———-

    Never mind being accused of rape.

  200. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Do you know what a metaphor is or do you take everything so literally for good reason?

    Wow you just verbally gangbanged me

    Did i do that right?

  201. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Rich,

    Because Jeter has a track record. Gardner doesn’t belong in the same sentence.

  202. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Bret,

    When do I get my “more” exactly??

  203. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Does it not look like pitchers are daring him to swing the bat to you?

    Looks the same as last year to me. Except that Gardner isn’t putting the ball in play as well as he did in the first half. He’s also hit into his fair share of bad luck.

    Last year in the first half he was taking power pitchers the other way, and it looks like he is trying to do that with his new swing and its not working out.

    Jeter has 4 infield hits, Gardner has 0. How does that make sense? Gardner’s BABIP which was above league average every year is .222 right now.

  204. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    “Because Jeter has a track record. Gardner doesn’t belong in the same sentence.”

    Jeter is also almost 37 coming off of a bad, but injury-free, season, so the track record is probably of limited utility.

  205. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Rich,

    Im not overly concerned about either after 11 games…..but Jeter is nearing 3,000 hits. Even if he is declining he has a very long track record of big league success…..Gardner doesn’t. Personally I think Gardner is going to be fine.

  206. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    blake

    That’s my point. It’s too early to be concerned about either.

  207. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Because Jeter has a track record. Gardner doesn’t belong in the same sentence.

    I predict that Gardner will have better numbers at the end of the season than Jeter. And Jeter is my favorite player of all time, so it’s not like I’m a Jeter hater. It’s just a matter of being realistic and having a modicum of intelligence…

  208. Against All Odds April 15th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    # bruceb April 15th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Anyone will to take Santana for Hughes now?

    ——————————————

    Heck no

  209. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    A modicum of intelligence?

    Patrick I’m sorry to say this but you need to get laid.

  210. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Jeter is hitting less line drives than Gardner, but for 4 poorly hit balls he beats out he would be hitting .139

  211. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Jerkface,

    Its looks to me like he’s trying to work counts but the pitchers aren’t letting him and he’s 0-2, 1-2 all the time……no hitter is going to have much success being in those counts all the time.

  212. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Bret

    Are you making Patrick an offer?

  213. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Jeter has always gotten cheap hits…..its part of his game.

  214. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    He is always trying to work counts. But its not like he isn’t swinging at all. He’s swung at pitches before 2 strikes 22 times, just fouled them off…

  215. UnKnown April 15th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Sounds like even Hughes likes the move. Not fair to him and the team to keep throwing him out there like this.

  216. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Freud would be having a field day with Brett today…

  217. Bret The Hitman April 15th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Rich in NJ,

    I know some girls. Good girls.

  218. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Blake, I have no idea when Gardner became so tentative on the bases or at bat. He always had controlled aggression. He didn’t swing at pitches off the plate, but, he didn’t stand there and look at three get me over fastballs, either. same on the bases. He was gone within the first two pitches. all he is now is a defensive replacement. he’s not even a good pinch runner when you need a stolen base anymore. He dances around out there and then waits until the hitters are in a hole and then…maybe he’ll run.

  219. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Are you making Patrick an offer?

    With all the talk of gangbangs I wouldn’t be surprised

    Also I’m not sure why my statement implies I need to get laid? Intelligent people don’t get any? Or is “modicum” another word you don’t know the meaning of?

  220. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Is there a” hit it where they ain’t ” stat…?

  221. Wave Your Hat April 15th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    “Looks the same as last year to me. Except that Gardner isn’t putting the ball in play as well as he did in the first half. He’s also hit into his fair share of bad luck.”

    I think Gardner will hit better, but 13 Ks in 46 PAs for a non-power hitter indicates more than bad luck. I don’t claim to be an expert but it looks like pitchers are throwing the fastball by him. Either he is hurt or he needs to make an adjustment.

  222. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 15th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    I would take Santayana over Hughes because Santayana would have taken himself out of the rotation after the first start!

    :)

  223. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Is there a” hit it where they ain’t ” stat…?

    BABIP

    batting average on balls in play. The percentage of balls you hit into the field that are not caught by fielders.

  224. RadioKev April 15th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    I think Gardener will settle in one way or another. He’s still getting used to his new swing. I really don’t think his plate discipline last year was a fluke. Once he gets the swing going a little more everything else will pick up.

    The season is young.

  225. LGY April 15th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan April 15th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
    Good move on Hughes, it shows patience and won’t be seen as a demotion. Best case scenario.

    ———————-

    How many times did you post yesterday about people overreacting for advocating this exact move???

  226. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    For the record…..I think Gardner is going to have a good season., I just thinkbhes going to have to adjust his approach and more importantly get his timing back.

  227. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    “I know some girls. Good girls.”

    Anyone who would seriously offer this publicly, doesn’t… :-)

  228. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Half of Gardner’s K’s are looking (54%) so maybe he just isn’t seeing the ball well.

  229. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    No I would not take Sanjaya over Hughes.

  230. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    I don’t claim to be an expert but it looks like pitchers are throwing the fastball by him.

    Still making contact 91% of the time, has less swinging strikes than a number of yankees.

  231. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    # GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Blake, I have no idea when Gardner became so tentative on the bases or at bat. He always had controlled aggression. He didn’t swing at pitches off the plate, but, he didn’t stand there and look at three get me over fastballs, either. same on the bases. He was gone within the first two pitches. all he is now is a defensive replacement. he’s not even a good pinch runner when you need a stolen base anymore. He dances around out there and then waits until the hitters are in a hole and then…maybe he’ll run.
    —————————————————————-
    I never liked Gardner….

  232. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Jerkface,

    But that’s always blown off as luck if its high…..sometimes its not luck.

  233. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    “I know some girls. Good girls.”

    Translation: I have a hot sister!

    j/k Bret

  234. Wave Your Hat April 15th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    “Half of Gardner’s K’s are looking (54%) so maybe he just isn’t seeing the ball well.”

    The other half it looks to me like he’s swinging after the ball is by him. You have more energy than me, go see what pitches he strikes out on.

  235. Steve Howe was a True Yankee April 15th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Um, Rich. You know I’m not really Steve Howe, right ? Especially since you know, he’s dead, and all.

  236. RadioKev April 15th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    # joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    # GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Blake, I have no idea when Gardner became so tentative on the bases or at bat. He always had controlled aggression. He didn’t swing at pitches off the plate, but, he didn’t stand there and look at three get me over fastballs, either. same on the bases. He was gone within the first two pitches. all he is now is a defensive replacement. he’s not even a good pinch runner when you need a stolen base anymore. He dances around out there and then waits until the hitters are in a hole and then…maybe he’ll run.
    —————————————————————-
    I never liked Gardner….
    ———-

    What sports fan hates his team’s own players that had a statistically good season for their first full season as a starter? I don’t get it. He’s also a big time plus defender in left field.

  237. Patrick April 15th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Bret hasn’t replied yet because he’s looking up the meaning of “modicum” on dictionary.com

    … and the meaning of gangbang on urbandictionary.com

  238. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    “Um, Rich. You know I’m not really Steve Howe, right ? Especially since you know, he’s dead, and all.”

    nfw

  239. Wave Your Hat April 15th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Variations in a pitcher’s BABiP are generally but not always luck. The same can’t be said for a batter’s. However, at this point PAs are so low as to be statistically insignificant and really not worth even talking about.

  240. MTU April 15th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Maybe GGBG should go back to his old swing ?

    I know it’s heresy but maybe not every change suggested by Long is a winner.

    Who cares if GGBG doesn’t have power. He’s a slap type hitter.

    It’s his speed that makes him deadly.

    His game is always gonna depend on bat control. Never on power.

    Just a thought.

    ;)

  241. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    But that’s always blown off as luck if its high…..sometimes its not luck.

    Certain players (Ichiro , Jeter) maintain higher than average BABIP. But there are limits. Austin Jackson’s .400 BABIP is unsustainable for instance, no one ever had a BABIP that high on a season.

    Guys who can run and put the ball in play a lot like Ichiro and Jeter can end up with higher than normal BABIPs. I can’t think of anyone who maintains a lower than normal career BABIP.

  242. BBFan April 15th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    “Personally I think anyone who continually focuses on the negative in regards to what’s unarguably the most successful baseball franchise of the contemporary era is merely reflecting their own personality.”

    Very well said.

  243. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    The same can’t be said for a batter’s. However, at this point PAs are so low as to be statistically insignificant and really not worth even talking about.

    Given Gardner’s speed + his LD%/GB% I’d think his BABIP is very luck affected right now.

  244. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Okay, so let’s turn his frowning upside downing…

    Semi-serious question:

    If and when the Yankees every do struggle for a whole year(s) (and I don’t mean winning 89 games and just missing out on the postseason), look yourself in the mirror and talk about how you think you’ll handle it..?

    Will it be all venting, anger and criticism for a 162 game schedule?

    I genuinely have a hard time seeing some of you being able to process anything but a highly successful season given the amount of angst I’ve personally wiinessed during the course of a 103-win/World Championship campaign, a 95-win/ALCS appearance campaign, and a young season that finds the Yankees 7-4 and leading their division.

  245. Steve Howe was a True Yankee April 15th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Good, cause you seem a little confused. Uptight and confused. Which I guess is better than dazed and confused – but not by much.

  246. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    If and when the Yankees every do struggle for a whole year(s) (and I don’t mean winning 89 games and just missing out on the postseason), look yourself in the mirror and talk about how you think you’ll handle it..?

    Talk about what the yankees can do to fix it.

  247. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    # RadioKev April 15th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    # joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    # GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Blake, I have no idea when Gardner became so tentative on the bases or at bat. He always had controlled aggression. He didn’t swing at pitches off the plate, but, he didn’t stand there and look at three get me over fastballs, either. same on the bases. He was gone within the first two pitches. all he is now is a defensive replacement. he’s not even a good pinch runner when you need a stolen base anymore. He dances around out there and then waits until the hitters are in a hole and then…maybe he’ll run.
    —————————————————————-
    I never liked Gardner….
    ———-

    What sports fan hates his team’s own players that had a statistically good season for their first full season as a starter? I don’t get it. He’s also a big time plus defender in left field.
    ————————————————————–
    Gardner is a very overrated player on this blog by many…..

  248. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Jerkface,

    That was my point….those 4 infiekd hits you were talking about with Jeter isn’t unusual…..he’s always done that. He’s good at hitting it places in the infield where he.can beat the throw.

  249. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Colon goes into the rotation

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  250. RadioKev April 15th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    MTU,

    I think he found some success with it in spring training. I didn’t seem like there was anything wrong with it fundamentally. He was driving the ball a lot more and making fairly consistent contact with it.

  251. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    ” I can’t think of anyone who maintains a lower than normal career BABIP.”

    Dave Kingman?

    http://www.fangraphs.com/stats.....tion=1B/OF

  252. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Joeman is the same guy that said Cano was overrated and was booing A-rod before 07

    /pigeonholed

  253. JM April 15th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    # Steve Howe was a True Yankee April 15th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Good, cause you seem a little confused. Uptight and confused. Which I guess is better than dazed and confused – but not by much.
    ________________________________

    Dazed and Confused is a great movie.

  254. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    That was my point….those 4 infiekd hits you were talking about with Jeter isn’t unusual…..he’s always done that. He’s good at hitting it places in the infield where he.can beat the throw

    You mean like tapping the ball accidentally 4 feet? He builds a nice foundation on that, but its not evidence of good hitting. And if that is all he’s got he is in trouble.

    Generally 10% of his hits are infield hits, right now its 40%

  255. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Maybe Gardner is overrated…..that doesn’t mean he’s not good when he’s playing well.

  256. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    “Good, cause you seem a little confused. Uptight and confused. Which I guess is better than dazed and confused – but not by much.”

    That’s a compliment coming from an idiot.

  257. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Good find Rich. No LD/GB/FB splits but I wager that Kingman was a FlyBall hitter.

  258. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    “Gardner is a very overrated player on this blog by many…..”

    By this do you mean he wasn’t the game’s best 9-hole hitter last year and very, very good defensively?

  259. RadioKev April 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Gardner is a very overrated player on this blog by many…..

    Overrated? His .383 OBP, and 47 SBs were overrated?

    I swear, Yankee fans are crazy to go and decide not to root for that type of homegrown player. He was hitting over .300 before injury last season, and he plays left field as about as well as possible. I’m not sure what the problem is there.

  260. MTU April 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Kev-

    Then maybe we just need to give him some more time.

    He’s a gamer. People have been telling him he can’t for a long time, and he usually proves them wrong.

    At least so far.

    ;)

  261. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    “Generally 10% of his hits are infield hits, right now its 40%”

    They’ve played 11 games

  262. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    The same can’t be said for a batter’s. However, at this point PAs are so low as to be statistically insignificant and really not worth even talking about.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Sure as hell hasn’t stopped you from spouting off the numbers when it suits your purpose.

  263. BIG AL April 15th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    GB7 -

    Perhaps I’m mistaken, but wasn’t it Sisco that had control problems in ST, lots of walks, or am I confusing him with a different pitcher.

    Sisco being a LHP would have made more sense.

  264. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    They’ve played 11 games

    Yup :) Which is why I wouldn’t do anything with Gardner/Jeter until June 1.

  265. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    # stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    “Gardner is a very overrated player on this blog by many…..”

    By this do you mean he wasn’t the game’s best 9-hole hitter last year and very, very good defensively?
    # RadioKev April 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Gardner is a very overrated player on this blog by many…..

    Overrated? His .383 OBP, and 47 SBs were overrated?

    I swear, Yankee fans are crazy to go and decide not to root for that type of homegrown player. He was hitting over .300 before injury last season, and he plays left field as about as well as possible. I’m not sure what the problem is there.
    —————————————————
    one year wonder…do it again and I’ll shut it

  266. LGY April 15th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    :shock:

    Trying to catch up on all the posts.

    Did Bret really say Face and I gangbanged him????

    Please tell me I read that wrong…

  267. CB April 15th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    “I can’t think of anyone who maintains a lower than normal career BABIP.”

    Graig Nettles did.

    Lot’s of players have.

    Not sure why the distribution of BABIP would not be normally distributed.

    Look at the initial Hit F/X data. Player hit the ball at very different velocities. It’s reasonable to believe that systematically hitting the ball harder off the bat would increase the probability of getting a hit.

  268. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    “Sisco being a LHP would have made more sense.”

    They want to see his velo go back up.

  269. vrsce April 15th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Still glad they did not trade Hughes for Santanna

  270. Crawdaddy April 15th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    joeman,

    Is Molina still going to start 8-10 games this April? If so then he better get more than one start in the next seven days.

  271. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    I guess it’s a small blessing that we’re not all St. Louis Cardinals fans as we’d be mopping up all the exploding brains from Albert Pujol’s 2011 start.

  272. Gary April 15th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    RadioKev April 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
    Gardner is a very overrated player on this blog by many…..

    Overrated? His .383 OBP, and 47 SBs were overrated?

    I swear, Yankee fans are crazy to go and decide not to root for that type of homegrown player. He was hitting over .300 before injury last season, and he plays left field as about as well as possible. I’m not sure what the problem is there.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    I think the problem is he’s not hitting, he’s not stealing bases and he’s not moving along runners or driving them in. We’d all be happy if he performed at last years stats, what ever the reason he’s by current appearances a long way off that right now.

  273. MTU April 15th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Blake-

    Unfortunately, I have to miss a good part of tonite’s game.

    I’m counting on you to fill me in how SuperNova handles the Texas
    Tornadoes.

    Thanks in advance.

    :)

  274. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Look at the initial Hit F/X data. Player hit the ball at very different velocities. It’s reasonable to believe that systematically hitting the ball harder off the bat would increase the probability of getting a hit.

    Which is why I can’t wait for that stuff to come out regularly!

  275. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    RadioKev April 15th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
    Gardner is a very overrated player on this blog by many…..

    Overrated? His .383 OBP, and 47 SBs were overrated?

    I swear, Yankee fans are crazy to go and decide not to root for that type of homegrown player. He was hitting over .300 before injury last season, and he plays left field as about as well as possible. I’m not sure what the problem is there.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    It’s not that he’s not hitting. It’s that half the time he doesn’t even bother to swing. It’s like he’s afraid to swing the bat. he’s more content with hoping for a walk instead of trying to get a hit.

  276. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    I also did not mean to imply no one hits under .300 BABIP for their career, just that I literally couldn’t think of anyone off the top of my head.

  277. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Joeman is the same guy that said Cano was overrated and was booing A-rod before 07
    ——————————————————-
    that isn’t true, I man up but don’t go putting crap up thats not true

  278. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    “one year wonder…do it again and I’ll shut it”

    Why can’t you just shut up until he doesn’t?

    Isn’t that perfectly fair?

  279. Steve Howe was a True Yankee April 15th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    “That’s a compliment coming from an idiot.”

    I think maybe I need to upgrade you from uptight to hostile. ;)

  280. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Gardner is actually swinging more this year than last year :o

  281. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    MTU,

    I shall……hopefully Ill have good.news to report

  282. RadioKev April 15th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    I’m just hesitant to hate on anyone in this lineup right now when the season has only begun. This is a really good line up. Sure I get disappointed like everyone else does when a player doesn’t do well, but there’s no need to be negative about it is all.

    I guess I just enjoy watching baseball. Maybe it’s still the early season glow.

  283. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    that isn’t true, I man up but don’t go putting crap up thats not true

    Sorry I was doing the Lohud staple of lumping someone into the ‘is against everything category’. GB7 special.

  284. LGY April 15th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    You guys do realize Gardner has started 10 games this year?

    We are less than 7% into the season.

  285. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Steve Howe was a True Yankee April 15th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
    “That’s a compliment coming from an idiot.”

    I think maybe I need to upgrade you from uptight to hostile.
    ___

    I normally don’t like to engage is this stuff, but your initial post was so messed up, it needs to be reposted:
    ___

    Steve Howe was a True Yankee April 15th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Hughes, Joba and IPK sure didn’t add up to much. Makes you wonder about Montero and the B’s.
    __

    I mean, seriously, that’s just beyond words nonsensical and poorly reasoned.

  286. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    # Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    that isn’t true, I man up but don’t go putting crap up thats not true

    Sorry I was doing the Lohud staple of lumping someone into the ‘is against everything category’. GB7 special.
    ———————————————————————-
    now thats funny..

  287. MTU April 15th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Blake-

    Let’s hope so. Good test. The Rangers are tough.

    If he contains that lineup for 6 innings it’s golden.

    He can do it. Things just have to lineup right.

    I hope they do.

    :)

  288. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    # LGY April 15th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    You guys do realize Gardner has started 10 games this year?

    We are less than 7% into the season.
    ———————————————–
    well joe seems to think he needs to sit & if AJ has some good swings against LHP he may sit more often….don’t you think ?

  289. LGY April 15th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    “It’s not that he’s not hitting. It’s that half the time he doesn’t even bother to swing. It’s like he’s afraid to swing the bat. he’s more content with hoping for a walk instead of trying to get a hit.”

    ——————-

    You complained all last year when Gardner was performing well.

    These “problems” with Gardner seem to be more of a Yankee fan problem than a Gardner problem.

  290. Steve Howe was a True Yankee April 15th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    And as I posted it was just a commentary on how shiny prospects can lose their luster at the top level. You seemed to take it personal. Unclear why.

  291. bruceb April 15th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Yes, the Santana line was tongue in cheek. But I’m going to be really disappointed if Phil doesn’t turn out to be the ace we all hoped he would be. And that must be in doubt now.

  292. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Al, he only got into 4 games with 4 walks. he’ll always walk a lot of hitters, but, he strikes out a lot. Combining last year’s minor league and winter league numbers, he did a real good job, considering he hadn’t pitched in 2 years. 48 relief appearances and 15 starts. He’s left handed, 6’10″ and about 260 with a mid 90s and up fastball and curve/change-up. Certainly can’t be any worse than Pendleton.

  293. CB April 15th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    “Which is why I can’t wait for that stuff to come out regularly!”

    It’ll be a big step forward. The issue of causality is getting short shrift in the analysis of the game. Analysis is becoming too phenomenological, IMO.

    The variance goes largely unexplained. And because it remains in the error term it’s getting chalked up to luck rather than considering sources of analytic bias such as omitted variables.

  294. MTU April 15th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    The last thing I am worried about with the Yankees is their offense.

    They are going to score a ton of runs IMO.

    A boatload. Like Titanic sized boat.

    Want to be concerned about something worry about their starting rotation.

  295. LGY April 15th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    “well joe seems to think he needs to sit & if AJ has some good swings against LHP he may sit more often….don’t you think ?”

    ——

    Needs to sit?

    The reason they signed Andruw Jones was to give Gardy and Grady a break vs LHP.

    What has changed exactly?

  296. Gary April 15th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    LGY didn’t you proclaim yourself as a hugh Gardner supporter? Just wondered as I wanted to know if answering your posts is a no win situation.

  297. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Steve Howe was a True Yankee April 15th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    And as I posted it was just a commentary on how shiny prospects can lose their luster at the top level. You seemed to take it personal. Unclear why.
    __

    Joba is still one of the better relievers in MLB.

    IPK and Hughes are coming off very good seasons for young pitchers in their first seasons as ML starters.

    So I’m not sure what you are talking about.

    And yes, I am offended by grossly illogical reasoning.

  298. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    “And as I posted it was just a commentary on how shiny prospects can lose their luster at the top level.”

    Not for nothing, but this bears repeating, like somehow there isn’t a baseball fan alive who isn’t aware of this quite obvious truism?

    Going with the other guys on this one. Seems like you were implying something specific about the Yankees system on this one and are now pulling away.

    If you just genuinely meant what you’re now saying you did, I think the only appropriate response is…

    “Duh”

  299. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    # LGY April 15th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    “It’s not that he’s not hitting. It’s that half the time he doesn’t even bother to swing. It’s like he’s afraid to swing the bat. he’s more content with hoping for a walk instead of trying to get a hit.”

    ——————-

    You complained all last year when Gardner was performing well.

    These “problems” with Gardner seem to be more of a Yankee fan problem than a Gardner problem
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    well watching him walking back to the bench after every AB he doesn’t look very happy, looks like it’s a problem with him to me..

  300. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    GB7 is a move the goalposts guy. Gardner can get on base .380 but “he needs to swing the bat”, he can steal 46 bases but he needs to “steal earlier”.

  301. blake April 15th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    MTU,

    Yea it is a good test for him. Texas has a good and deep lineup…..Nova will have faced the 2 best non-Yankee lineups in the AL after tonight.

  302. LGY April 15th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    well watching him walking back to the bench after every AB he doesn’t look very happy, looks like it’s a problem with him to me..

    ——

    Do players typically look happy when they are straggling?

  303. Gary April 15th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    MTU April 15th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
    The last thing I am worried about with the Yankees is their offense.

    They are going to score a ton of runs IMO.

    A boatload. Like Titanic sized boat.

    Want to be concerned about something worry about their starting rotation.

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    MTU I think the Yanks are an offensive beast also. My one concern is the reliance on the long ball so far this year. That inability to play small ball is what has gotten them into trouble against good pitching in the last couple of years. I’d like to see them tonight go out and make a statement against a good ballclub and a good left hander.

  304. CB April 15th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    I’m really struggling to see where this concern about Gardner is coming from after a handful of games.

    You can’t tell anything much from his statistics.

    He had a good season last year that involved positive changes in his swing.

    This year it does appear that the league is making an adjustment to him so he needs to adjust back.

    The additional changes in his swing he made anticipated the league changing things up on him.

    He’s just going through some difficulties adjusting to that new swing.

    He needs to get back to hitting the ball the other way and keeping his swing short to the ball.

    But that’s just an issue that will have to sort itself out over time.

    He’s done more than enough in his career to warrant the opportunity.

  305. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Gardner has stolen 1-0,1-1,2-1, and 3-0

    I guess he could be stealing all those 0-0. Not good enough Brett :x

  306. DaSaint007 April 15th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Hey folks, been a while.

    Sorry to hear about Feliciano, but Cashman can’t seriously be surprised. It was a matter of when, not if. Hope Hughes gets his arm strength back. Hope Gardner and Jeter learn to hit again.

  307. MTU April 15th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Blake-

    He has the tools.

    Just needs to put them to work.

    When he does he’s a match for anyone.

  308. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    # LGY April 15th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    well watching him walking back to the bench after every AB he doesn’t look very happy, looks like it’s a problem with him to me..

    ——

    Do players typically look happy when they are straggling?
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    so it’s a problem with him

  309. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    “That inability to play small ball is what has gotten them into trouble against good pitching in the last couple of years.”

    By “trouble” do you mean in the ALCS against Texas last year?

  310. Steve Howe was a True Yankee April 15th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Well we can disagree. That’s cool. Chamberlain has vastly underperformed compared to expectations – as has IPK. Don’t you remember the hype around these guys ? I sure do. They were going to front our rotation for years.

    And Hughes hasn’t pitched well since June of 2010.

    Doesn’t mean these guys don’t have some value or a role in MLB. Just not living up to the huge hype.

  311. LGY April 15th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Thank you CB.

    Great post.

  312. LGY April 15th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    You lost me joeman.

  313. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    “Well we can disagree. That’s cool. Chamberlain has vastly underperformed compared to expectations – as has IPK. Don’t you remember the hype around these guys ? I sure do. They were going to front our rotation for years.

    And Hughes hasn’t pitched well since June of 2010.

    Doesn’t mean these guys don’t have some value or a role in MLB. Just not living up to the huge hype.”

    Hughes and IPK pretty much lived up to that hype last season. Joba could probably be one of the better closers in the game.

    Either way, how does that reflect on Montero and Banuelos?

  314. MTU April 15th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    Gary-

    And that is where GGBG enters stage left.

    When he has it going he provides that missing dimension.

    I’m looking forward to seeing it in action real soon.

    In the meantime I’m thoroughly enjoying watching various Yankee hitters tee off on opposing starters.

    Alex, for example, just looks plain scary.

    Enjoy a team full of stars. I know I do.

    :)

  315. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    # LGY April 15th, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    You lost me joeman.
    —————————————————
    your saying it’s more of a problem with fans and I’m saying it’s a problem with him also ( not having good AB’s)

  316. MTU April 15th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    New thread ==>

  317. Steve Howe was a True Yankee April 15th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    “Either way, how does that reflect on Montero and Banuelos?”

    How does it reflect the systems ability to develop talent, is I would venture the real question.

  318. Gary April 15th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
    “That inability to play small ball is what has gotten them into trouble against good pitching in the last couple of years.”

    By “trouble” do you mean in the ALCS against Texas last year?

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    I’ll argue more recent, last night they tied the game with a great HR from Posada in the 9th, then they get Granderson to 2B with none out. Martin makes a couple of horrible bunt attempts and strikes out. Then Gardner strikes out and Jeter grounds out and he dies there. The game could have been won at that point, no need for extra innings.

  319. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    CB April 15th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
    I’m really struggling to see where this concern about Gardner is coming from after a handful of games

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    Are you pleased to see him taking pitch after pitch over the heart of the plate? Or stand on 1st base until the hitter behind him has to continue taking pitches while he tryies to make up his mind? As a pinch runner put in here to steal a base and never move? I’m not. He’s better than that, but, like I said, it appears that he’s afraid to swing or run. The pitchers have no fear of throwing two mediocre fastballs to him to start his at bats. They know that he won’t swing.

  320. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    “How does it reflect the systems ability to develop talent, is I would venture the real question.”

    Because sample size matters, and viewed in that context, they have done quite well.

  321. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
    Gardner has stolen 1-0,1-1,2-1, and 3-0

    I guess he could be stealing all those 0-0. Not good enough Brett

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    I thought early season numbers meant nothing. He was the same way last year. A strictly singles hitter that strikes out 100 times a year doesn’t really help much.

  322. BD (Boston Dave) April 15th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    “He’s done more than enough in his career to warrant the opportunity.”

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    agreed. Give Gardy a chance.

  323. 4 NYY April 15th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Banuelos is my favorite “B” pitcher. PERIOD !!! We’ll see how it works out.

    Gardner is too tentative on bases. Takes way too many “good” pitches trying to get a walk.
    Doesn’t swing with authority nearly enough.

    Would rather see Noesi get a start or 2 before Colon comes out of pen. He’s doing such a good job so far.

    Some of the hitters better break out, A-Rod can’t carry team alone, no matter how hot he is.

  324. 4 NYY April 15th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    Cano and Martin are the only other good avgs. on team.

  325. BoJo April 15th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Gardner is a very overrated player on this blog by many
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    Gardner is a very underrated player on this blog by morons

    There — fixed that

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