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Pregame notes: “Something had to be done”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Apr 15, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The first five words from Phil Hughes stated the obvious: “Something had to be done.”

After three starts, Hughes fastball velocity is still stuck in the high 80s. He touched 91 and 92 in the first inning last night, but he dropped right back to 88 by the third. The Yankees have been patient, and they believe he’s 100 percent healthy, but at this point Hughes clearly doesn’t have the strength necessary to be a major league starter.

“If he were injured he probably wouldn’t have got there (to 91, 92 mph),” manager Joe Girardi said. “But it’s just not at the strength it needs to be to pitch seven competitive innings every fifth day.”

The Yankees talked about optioning Hughes to Triple-A, but they ultimately decided to put him on the disabled list so that he can go through a long toss program without worrying about bullpen sessions and every-fifth-day starts. Hughes told them he needed this time to build strength, “and not continue to do the same thing I’ve been doing.”

So Hughes will stay with the team. He’ll go through a long toss program and an arm strength program with Larry Rothschild and the rest of the coaching staff. Girardi said the team will be able to learn a lot from the long toss sessions. When they decide he’s ready, Hughes will start throwing in the bullpen and eventually go for a rehab assignment.

“I’m very confident,” Hughes said. “It’s not one of those things where I feel like it’s going to take months. It’s something that’s going to change pretty quickly. I’ll work hard at it, do my long toss, do my exercises, and hopefully it’ll be there. It’s not like we’re talking about 10 mph, but at some point I need to be strong, maintain my velocity, get a few ticks on it as well. It’s a small difference, but it’s huge in terms of going out there and being effective.”

Here’s Hughes.

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Here’s Girardi.

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• The Yankees don’t have an exact rotation set, but Bartolo Colon will move out of the bullpen to become a starter for the time being. Girardi said he can probably go 80 to 85 pitches in his first start. “Obviously you don’t want one of your starters to go on the DL, but Bartolo has thrown as well as anyone and he has a chance to step up for us,” Girardi said.

• With Lance Pendleton and Hector Noesi up from Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, the Yankees have two true long relievers in the bullpen. Pendleton was not listed as an available reliever pregame. Not sure when he’s supposed to be here.

• Russell Martin will get his first day off tomorrow. Gustavo Molina will catch Freddy Garcia.

• Girardi said Carlos Silva is definitely not an option right now — he just reported to the minor league complex on Wednesday — and he didn’t consider Kevin Millwood a real option either. “I can’t tell you exactly where he’s at,” Girardi said.

• Brett Gardner is struggling and has the day off so that Andruw Jones can play against a left-handed starter. “(Gardner)’s been behind in a lot of counts, 0-1, 1-2,” Girardi said. “Then the pitcher has a chance to nibble and make you hit his pitch. He’s just scuffling a little bit. At times I’ve thought he’s been close. We saw him hit a couple of line drives, thought he was coming out, then he kind of got back in.”

• Here’s Girardi on Jackie Robinson Day:

“I think it means a lot to the players today because you look at how diverse our game is today and how it’s changed because of Jackie Robinson. I had a chance to go to a Little League in Newark today. I was telling the kids — and it was all age groups – that if you take anything from Jackie, think about how he persevered. Think about, there were people who didn’t want him to be successful. There were people who told him he couldn’t do it, and he didn’t let those people get in his way. He had a goal and he had a dream and he went out and made it happen under circumstances most of us will probably never understand. There are times you’re going to be ridiculed. There will be times people don’t like you, but that shouldn’t keep you from going out and trying to do what you want to do and being a successful person and being a good person, things that Jackie did under terrible circumstances.”

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Ian Kinsler 2B
Elvis Andrus SS
Michael Young DH
Adrian Beltre 3B
Nelson Cruz RF
David Murphy LF
Yorvit Torrealba C
Mitch Moreland 1B
Julio Borbon CF

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95 Responses to “Pregame notes: “Something had to be done””

  1. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    I hope they put a radar gun on Hughes so he knows exactly where he is at. And do that Randy throw to the max thing.

  2. Crawdaddy April 15th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    “Russell Martin will get his first day off tomorrow. Gustavo Molina will catch Freddy Garcia.”

    So much for Molina starting 9-10 games in April for Martin. Joeman was wrong again!

  3. Rich in NJ April 15th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    They almost certainly have a plan beyond what they are saying publicly. I guess we’ll find out what it is over time.

  4. Crawdaddy April 15th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Rich,

    You’re right! When they think he’s ready for batters, I expect him to see some Tampa sun and throw against the prospects in EST then go from there.

  5. LGY April 15th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    your saying it’s more of a problem with fans and I’m saying it’s a problem with him also ( not having good AB’s

    ——

    It doesn’t matter if he was having good at bats or not.

    Even when he is, fans like GB complain about him. Hence the problem is with the fans.

  6. blake April 15th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Im glad they chose to put him in a situation where he could work on this without having to worry about games results. I think this was the best option and Im glad the Yankees acted instead of sticking their head on the sand and hoping it resolved on its own.

  7. Gary April 15th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Gary April 15th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
    stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
    “That inability to play small ball is what has gotten them into trouble against good pitching in the last couple of years.”

    By “trouble” do you mean in the ALCS against Texas last year?

    _________________________________________________________________________

    I’ll argue more recent, last night they tied the game with a great HR from Posada in the 9th, then they get Granderson to 2B with none out. Martin makes a couple of horrible bunt attempts and strikes out. Then Gardner strikes out and Jeter grounds out and he dies there. The game could have been won at that point, no need for extra innings.

  8. DaSaint007 April 15th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Luckily it’s early in the season. We can be concerned, but its’ much too early to panic over the fact that Jeter’s not hitting, nor Gardner, nor Granderson for that matter.

    Or that we’ve lost 1 lefty pitcher for the season, Hughes is on the DL, we’ve inserted into the rotation a pitcher that hasn’t pitched in the majors since ’09, AJ has more wins than CC, and they’ve called up 2 kids to the pen.

    Unfortunately it’s also far too early for significant trades.

  9. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    tough Tex lineup and missing Hamilton

  10. Nick in SF April 15th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    “Analysis is becoming too phenomenological, IMO”

    Agreed! I’ve said this many times, although I must admit it didn’t come to me intuitively.

  11. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    I’ll argue more recent, last night they tied the game with a great HR from Posada in the 9th, then they get Granderson to 2B with none out. Martin makes a couple of horrible bunt attempts and strikes out. Then Gardner strikes out and Jeter grounds out and he dies there. The game could have been won at that point, no need for extra innings.

    How often do other teams get that run in compared to the yankees?

  12. Nick in SF April 15th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    “Gustavo Molina will catch Freddy Garcia.”

    Pending a tornado watch and possible meteor showers. :mad:

  13. Gary April 15th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
    I’ll argue more recent, last night they tied the game with a great HR from Posada in the 9th, then they get Granderson to 2B with none out. Martin makes a couple of horrible bunt attempts and strikes out. Then Gardner strikes out and Jeter grounds out and he dies there. The game could have been won at that point, no need for extra innings.

    How often do other teams get that run in compared to the yankees?

    _________________________________________________________________________

    If your asking are there teams that have better stats then the Yanks with RISP I think the answer is yes

  14. CB April 15th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    I’m happy action has finally been take to try to fix the underlying problems with Hughes.

    But I have to say, it really concerns me that the Yankees seriously considered sending Hughes to AAA to just pitch out of the rotation. I just don’t get that.

    They keep saying his problem is arm strength. Given how bad he’s looked it’s a serious lack of arm strength.

    There’s only so much arm strength you’ll get from throwing in game situations and as part of a rotation.

    If arm strength is his problem then he needs a program to strengthen his arm.

    It’s very fortunate that Hughes came out and said that doing the same thing isn’t going to work. The AAA rotation isn’t exactly the same thing, but work wise it’s not that far off. He’s going to throw in games, throw his bull pens, etc.

    That routine is designed to maintain conditioning in the arm not really to build it up. That’s what spring training is for.

    The decision making process here really concerns me.

  15. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    If your asking are there teams that have better stats then the Yanks with RISP I think the answer is yes

    You don’t want RISP, that means getting base hits. You want small ball, which means not getting base hits. It means grounding out, causing wild pitches, errant throws, sac flies

  16. MTU April 15th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Blake-

    As is more often than not the case we agree on YMH.

    Very happy with the way the Yankees chose to handle it.

    For one thing, Colon afforded them the luxury.

    Great move IMO.

  17. blake April 15th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    CB,

    Yea I didn’t get that either…..Im not sure that would have helped anything other than the results not counting against the Yankees.

  18. blake April 15th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    MTU,

    True regarding Colon.

  19. Crawdaddy April 15th, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    CB,

    They talked about SWB, but that doesn’t mean it was the pitching gurus that suggested that because it appears they won out by having him go through arm strength exercises first before bullpen sessions and then game situations against batters.

  20. Gary April 15th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
    If your asking are there teams that have better stats then the Yanks with RISP I think the answer is yes

    You don’t want RISP, that means getting base hits. You want small ball, which means not getting base hits. It means grounding out, causing wild pitches, errant throws, sac flies

    _______________________________________________________________________

    No debate, whatever advances runners and gets those runners who are in scoring position with less than two outs across the plate. Not sure it was last night., but I think Swish hit to the SS side of 2nd base with a runner on second and no one out.

  21. West Coast Yankee Fan April 15th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Garcia and Molina against Texas. I hope I am wrong but fear the worst. I had expressed last week that Martin sit a game against Baltimore rather than Texas, despite the night/day game. Girardi sees it differently.

  22. LGY April 15th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    A strictly singles hitter that strikes out 100 times a year doesn’t really help much.

    ——

    What I’m talking about joeman.

    Gardner didn’t help much last year?? :(

  23. CB April 15th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    “Are you pleased to see him taking pitch after pitch over the heart of the plate? Or stand on 1st base until the hitter behind him has to continue taking pitches while he tryies to make up his mind? As a pinch runner put in here to steal a base and never move? I’m not. He’s better than that, ”

    GB7,

    First off, I wasn’t referring to your comments in particular. More the general issue of Gardner always coming up and people using his statistics as the sole basis for that concern even though it’s only been 10 games.

    And I agree with you and tried to make that clear in my post – there are reasons to be concerned. He is being too passive at the plate.

    But that’s just part of the game that a player has to go through isn’t it? The league is pitching him differently and he needs to figure out how to handle it better.

    I’m more commenting on all the posts about Gardner being somehow this “awful” player who has no business being in the line up, etc.

    What you said is the important point – he is better than this. And as long as you believe that then you stick with him and give him time to figure it out.

    People still tread him as if he were a marginal 4th or 5th outfielder. He’s done enough over the past two years where he deserves enough benefit of the doubt to stick with through these times when he’s going to have to improve his game.

    That’s all I was trying to say.

  24. LGY April 15th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Garcia and Molina against Texas. I hope I am wrong but fear the worst. I had expressed last week that Martin sit a game against Baltimore rather than Texas, despite the night/day game. Girardi sees it differently

    ——

    Sitting him against Baltimore doesnt matter or address the issue.

    He has only played in 2 games this week.

    The issue is not rest. It is day game after a night game.

  25. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    LGY April 15th, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    A strictly singles hitter that strikes out 100 times a year doesn’t really help much.

    ——

    What I’m talking about joeman.

    Gardner didn’t help much last year??
    ————————–
    what is that…not me saying it…I’m confused

  26. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    so now the lowly yankees should fear the mighty mighty rangers? change the lineup, switch off-days for the catchers and juggle the rotation because the (2nd) greatest collection of baseball talent ever assembled is coming to town? (we had to visit the greatest collection of baseball talent ever aseembled of all time in boston last week).

  27. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    “I’ll argue more recent,”

    In a game they won, one inning later?

    Still not seeing the “trouble”.

    I see imperfection.

    No “trouble”.

  28. BIG AL April 15th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    GB7 -

    I wonder if Gardner thinks he needs to take more pitches in the 31 hole?

    Pendleton has a very good WHIP, let’s see how he does. I think he’ll see little or no action, just up for insurance.

    Having watched Gardner at SWB for 2 years, I can tell you he was more more aggressive as a #1 hitter than he is now, it’s as if he does not trust himself to be a better hitter, and gets himself into bad counts all too often.

  29. West Coast Yankee Fan April 15th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    He’s 28 years old. I don’t think a day game after a night game is terminal. You can pull him after 5-6 if you have a lead.

  30. CB April 15th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    blake,

    That’s why it’s just so strange. Maybe it’s just something getting lost in translation so to speak. But this entire situation hasn’t made much sense.

    Crawdaddy,

    I hope you are right on that. It’s just that it’s been very clear there was a significant problem and the yankees continued to try to fix it in the rotation. Given how they’ve handled the situation so far it seems plausible that they felt additional work in the rotation would work and that the real problem was that they couldn’t afford to throw away games at the major league level.

    But I hope that’s not the case. Hughes quotes were concerning though as it sounded as if he was the one who was firm on needing to do something else.

    I really hope it wasn’t their baseball people who were kicking around that plan. Perhaps it was only a systematic discussion of options available that they presented to make a joint decision with Hughes.

    The whole situation has been so odd though. It just makes me a bit leery.

  31. SJ44 April 15th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    11 games into the season we have the usual whiners complaining about Garnder and others who are off to slow starts.

    Yet, the team is in first place. A fact lost by some.

    Baseball is not a daily temperature taking game. One would think some folks would know that by now.

    Making, “I told you so” predictions after 7% of the season has been played is the height of stupidity.

  32. Betsy April 15th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Seems like a reasonable plan

  33. Giuseppe Franco April 15th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    So Girardi was supposed to sit Martin against Baltimore even though he had two days off (Mon and Tues)?

    Seems like the day game after a night game was the issue here. Duh.

  34. Giuseppe Franco April 15th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Looks like LGY beat me to it.

  35. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    i predicted coming out of ST that girardi would keep martin to no more than 4 games at a time. today is his 3rd and they play the next 2 days in a row, so it looks like my call was about right.

    certainly martin could go night game then day game then even go a 5th straight on sunday.

    but hes coming off an injury and there has been speculation that torre’s overuse of him contributed to his decline the past 2 years.

    its only one game guys. i cant believe how much everybody fears the rangers. (w/o thier best hitter)

  36. West Coast Yankee Fan April 15th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    The point is if he needs rest – don’t do it against Texas with a pitcher going who is even money to get lit up.

  37. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    CB, as I said earlier, he wasn’t like this in the minors. It’s like he’s afraid to swing. That’s why I said that he used to have a controlled aggression in his play. Same with his bunting. He was a great bunter. He stinks at it now. Like Jeter, he doesn’t know the difference, or has forgotten, the difference between sac bunts and bunt for hits. Nick Swisher has better bunting mechanics than either of them. He could have and should have been a Maury Wills type of player, with more extra base power. Whatever he learned in the minors, he;s totally forgotten or ignored. ThAt’s why I cringe when he hits a home run. He tries to become Alex Rodriguez and the slumps start.

  38. Betsy April 15th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    That said, I’m sorry – this is more than just a dead arm. Everyone else but the Yankees seem to think Phil is having serious mechanical difficulties. While I like the DL move, Phil should be sent to Tampa

  39. Crawdaddy April 15th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    “I really hope it wasn’t their baseball people who were kicking around that plan. Perhaps it was only a systematic discussion of options available that they presented to make a joint decision with Hughes.”

    CB,

    If it was a roundtable discussion with various Yankee Brass discussing Phil’s problem, I’m sure somebody supported him going to SWB as all ideas are considered during such discussions. In the end, I think the pitching gurus with years of pitching experience won out as Cashman likes to have open discussion with his people as he trys to get a consensus on the best course of action.

  40. SJ44 April 15th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    The rainouts ARE days off.

    It’s why Martin’s workload hasn’t been taxing.

    You know what taxes players? Day games after night games. That wears on catchers.

    The manager and bench coach are former catchers.

    I’m going out on a limb and say they have a pretty good idea of how to manage catching workloads.

    You don’t manage the workload according to opponent. You manage it according to workload.

    The rainouts, and two off days next week, have been the Yankees friends when it comes to managing Martin’s workload.

  41. Giuseppe Franco April 15th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan April 15th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    The point is if he needs rest – don’t do it against Texas with a pitcher going who is even money to get lit up.

    ——–

    The point that you’re obviously missing is that he didn’t need rest on Wed or Thurs because he was already rested Mon and Tues.

    So he’s going to get a day on Sat. I don’t see how that’s so complicated.

    This isn’t the postseason.

  42. Crawdaddy April 15th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    “While I like the DL move, Phil should be sent to Tampa”

    Betsy,

    In time, he will be in Tampa, but I rather he work with Rothschild some more before going down to Tampa and starting to face live batters again.

  43. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    going to put my Yankee gear on and watch the RS lose…..

  44. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    so the dl isnt good enough for some phil haters, its got to be A ball or maybe T ball would make you happer. staying with the team isnt enough punishment, some want him humiliated too.

    since so many of you are convinced that phil is done forever, why do you care where he goes as long as he isnt on the active roster?

  45. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    The reasons Gardner got to the major leagues as fast as he did was because of what he can do….walk, slap singles and triples, scare the other teams with his base running. Those 5 homers last year were the worst things that could have happened. He’s forgotten most of what he learned, after proving everyone wrong that said he couldn’t do it.

  46. SJ44 April 15th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    How do you know it’s more than just a dead arm?

    Do you not think the Yankees havent examined him?

    The only way to cure a dead arm is to strengthen it. Which, they seem to be trying to do by undertaking the program they are undertaking.

    The mechanical issues are the byproduct of trying to manufacture velocity due to the dead arm.

    Once his arm is strong again, I bet his mechanics improve almost immediately.

  47. CB April 15th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    “as I said earlier, he wasn’t like this in the minors. It’s like he’s afraid to swing. That’s why I said that he used to have a controlled aggression in his play.”

    He is having that problem. I think in part it may be due to additional responsibility he feels as the lead off hitter to get on base.

    When you hit in front of jeter, tex, alex and robbi – four guys who are either locks or have a great chance to make the hall – it’s pretty clear what your job is.

    He’s just going through an adjustment period. He’ll be ok.

    More than him taking pitches what does worry me is that his swing is getting long again and he’s not as focused about hitting the ball the other way. I don’t like that at all.

    Swinging at more pitches over the plate is an adjustment he can make with success. But he cannot be successful with a long swing. That’s becoming my biggest concern with him.

    But again – it’s just something to watch and work on as he tries to get this kinks out of his game.

  48. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Phil will come back strong ….a nice rest will be all that is needed

  49. Crawdaddy April 15th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    “You don’t manage the workload according to opponent. You manage it according to workload.”

    Right SJ, only fans get concern about facing Texas in mid-April. Girardi has to manage his people with consideration towards the whole season not some possible playoff contender in an early season game.

  50. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Those 5 homers last year were the worst things that could have happened.

    He hit better after his homers last year. He didn’t slump.

  51. BIG AL April 15th, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    I see our resident optimist expects Nova to get lit up tonight.

    Too many folks see the glass as have empty, more negative than poitive thinking in their outlook.

    The seasons early, some great players from several teams have started slow, but in the end, we shall see a great season from this team, and we’ll surprise a lot of the so called experts that gave up on the Yankees even before the season began.

  52. Betsy April 15th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Craw, Ok, I can buy it. I’m concerned about Phil because I can imagine how frustrating this is for him. Now he doesn’t have to worry about hurting the team – and he can work on his issues away from the glare of the spotlight.

    I don’t understand, however, how he could just have completely lost his arm strength. Was it the jump in innings from 2009 to 2010? Is he so fatigued that that is causing his mechanical difficulties?

    I tend to agree with GLove about his repertoire, though I think CB is surely right about first fixing the major problem. The question is, thoug, can Phil eventually work on his secondary stuff in the majors when he’s worrying about it getting it?

    First things first – I’m glad Phil spoke out.

  53. West Coast Yankee Fan April 15th, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    Agree to disagree on Martin. I would play him.

  54. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    thank you craw and sj, some common sense enters the conversation.

    its april and we’re in first place. juggling the lineup, rotation and off-days just because the rangers are here is ridiculous.

  55. West Coast Yankee Fan April 15th, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    Watch – Molina will go 2-4.

  56. Betsy April 15th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Man, I thought I was thisclose to buying a pre-owned 2008 Honda Accord – it was so beautiful and it was blue, Yankee blue. I have a hard time making decisions as to what to order at the diner, so you can imagine how hard it was for me to make this decision…….but I was all set and was filling out the credit application ($14,000 car – a great price) when we got the car fax report and,what do you know, the car had been in an accicdent (a rear love tap apparenly). The sales guy did not mention this and our family mechanic advised me to stay FAR FAR away from this car. I guess I’m going to end up with a new car. I feel like the rug was just pulled out from under me.

  57. CB April 15th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    “The mechanical issues are the byproduct of trying to manufacture velocity due to the dead arm.

    Once his arm is strong again, I bet his mechanics improve almost immediately.”

    Completely agree. His mechanics and kinetic chain aren’t working right because his arm isn’t working right.

    He’s trying to compensate for his arm by altering other things he’s doing in his delivery. For example, it looks to me he’s not driving through with his legs as much now. And that seems to be because he’s not finishing his pitches right. He’s trying to stay taller on the mound to throw more downhill, etc. It’s the kind of thing people often do unconsciously to try to develop more leverage when they are hurt some way.

    They need to fix his arm strength through a systematic program. That’s the direction they’ve taken and that’s the right one, however they got there.

    And it makes sense to do under Rothschild’s supervision, at least initially. He’ll get more game action in EST or AAA later on as part of the rehab process.

  58. Betsy April 15th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    SJ, that’s what I said – that the poor mechanics are an issue related to his arm strength. I still have no idea how a 24 year old could just lose that arm strength.

  59. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    just one last note on the opponent: the o’s had the best record in the league for the last 2 months of last year and arrived here with the best record in baseball. now that they are in the rearview mirror its like, ‘hey we could have thrown the trenton thunder out there against baltimore and saved everyone for the rangers…

  60. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Betsy, it will be a shame if you let the system working exactly as i should scare you into taking on more debt than you had prior to the accident.

    Find a car with a clean report.

  61. BBFan April 15th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    SJ’s comments are spot on regarding Martin and Hughes.
    It is really hilarious reading comments that Yanks should have done this done that regarding decisions on Hughes.
    Yanks approached it correctly.
    They gave him just three starts to see if the speed will pick up.
    It did not happen, and now they are putting him on DL.
    They will do whatever is needed to build his arm strength, prove he is ready for ML hitters in rehab starts before bringing him back.

  62. GreenBeret7 April 15th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    CB, I’m hoping to be wrong because he’s a weapon the Yanks haven’t had since Henderson or more closely, Mickey Rivers. He’s so much better than what’s he’s been. He worked to hard in college and the minors to ignore his learning. I’ve never been a Gardner hater. Always thought he was a fun player to watch, but, the way he’s played the last 4-6 months of games is torture to watch. It’s true that I would have preferred Justin Christian more when they were both called up, but, that had more to do with having a little more power and the same speed game.

  63. Crawdaddy April 15th, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    “I still have no idea how a 24 year old could just lose that arm strength.”

    Betsy,

    It happened to Verlander 3 years ago and has happened to others too.

  64. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    “Crawdaddy April 15th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
    “I still have no idea how a 24 year old could just lose that arm strength.”

    Betsy,

    It happened to Verlander 3 years ago and has happened to others too.”

    ///

    and lincicum last year and tillman and chapman this year…

  65. BIG AL April 15th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Enjoy the game – Later.

  66. talltenor April 15th, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    OK, so just what does a starting pitcher do during to the off-season, anyway? And why would someone who’s been through six weeks of ST not have built up enough arm strength to throw at major-league velocity?

    I saw Hughes pitch a whale of a game, two years ago in Detroit. He had that no-hitter going in ’08 in Texas, too, right (before the hammy injury)?

    Something isn’t right with the guy, and I’m a huge supporter.

  67. Betsy April 15th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Stuckey, our family mechanic (for lack of a better term – we’ve used him for years) is very willing to do the leg work to find a good “used” car, but that means a lot more work and time put into it – and it means me paying for the rental car out of pocket for awhile

  68. Mike_Boston April 15th, 2011 at 6:43 pm

    Martin’s the only catcher to play every game, of course you rest him day game after night game. Coming off an injury and being this early, why in the world would you push that?

  69. Betsy April 15th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Craw, yes it did…….that’s true. Well, I’m very happy the Yankees didn’t wait any longer. I’ve seen some fans say he deserved more time, but it wasn’t about that. This is no demotion nor is it a punishment…………..

  70. DaSaint007 April 15th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    It’s April folks. Yankees are in 1st. boston is in last. We have a few issues, but I’d rather have all of them than having either CC or ARod out.

  71. CB April 15th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Losing arm strength happened to Madison Bumgarner last season.

    This year it’s happened to Tillman, Cecil and possibly to Chapman.

    A number of pitchers aren’t yet at full arm strength or throwing as hard as they usually do so far this season.

    As long as he’s not hurt he’ll be ok.

    The main thing was to get him out of the rotation and into a strengthening program which they’ve now done.

    It’s fine. Fortunately, they were prudent in building up some depth off the scrap heap and colon is throwing the ball very well. Hughes has time to get his arm right and come back when appropriate.

  72. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    “I still have no idea how a 24 year old could just lose that arm strength.”

    The difference between the 2-3 MPH he’s missing is difference that can result from a minor physical or mechanical difference.

    This is why a tiny fraction of people in the world can be successful ML pitchers, because it not only takes extraordinary strength and speed to generate that sort of force, it takes an extraordinary athlete to repeat the optimum mechanics day after day, much less year after year.

    Phil Hughes is such a specialized athlete that a loss of strength or change in his mechanics that would go utterly unnoticed by a “regular” person can throw him off just enough to make all the difference in the world when the guys 60 feet away are also the best human beings alive on the planet at what they do.

  73. 4 NYY April 15th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Banuelos is my favorite “B” pitcher. PERIOD !!! We’ll see how it works out.

    Gardner is too tentative on bases. ( he was last yr. also ) Takes way too many “good” pitches trying to get a walk
    Doesn’t swing with authority nearly enough.

    Would rather see Noesi get a start or 2 before Colon comes out of pen. He’s doing such a good job so far and we have no one to fill that hole. He’s deserving to start, I understand. Just sayin’ !

    Some of the hitters better break out, A-Rod can’t carry team alone, no matter how hot he is.

    Only Cano and Martin have good avgs. other than him

  74. SJ44 April 15th, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    Phil Hughes isn’t the first pitcher to lose arm strength.

    Aroldis Chapman is younger than Hughes and he’s down 8-10 MPH.

    Brett Cecil, who I believe is at or around Hughes’ age, is down more MPH than Hughes.

    It has nothing to do with age. It happens with pitchers.

    It’s why pitching is so fragile and smart organizations stockpile as many as possible, rather than just rely on 5-6 guys to hold up over an entire season.

  75. BBFan April 15th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    The situation with Hughes is not like it never happened with elite pitchers.
    Lee and Halladay are good examples who went to minors corrected thier issues and then became stars in ML.
    If Hughes comes back even 80% of what Lee and Halladay are, we will have a very good pitcher for a long time to come.

  76. West Coast Yankee Fan April 15th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    An ancillary note. For those of you who aren’t happy with your internet speed – you should check and see if Verizon FIOS is available in your neighborhood. I can’t believe how fast it is. Speed Test averages about 18 mbps down and 16 mbps up. And that’s with a wireless connection.

    It’s especially great for streaming video.

  77. stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Montero 1 for 1 tonight already.

    Pull and him and drive him to the Bronx.

    My kid needs new shoes….

  78. Mike_Boston April 15th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Betsy, a few extra days paying for a rental is not worth buying a new car, it just isn’t (you should also ask your insurance if they can bill the guy that hit you because I’ve done that before). Stucky’s right about finding one with a clean report. Have you tried cars.com? As long as you find a low mileage car, even from a private owner, you get the manufacture warranty until it expires.

  79. CB April 15th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    What happened with Lee and Halladay going down to the minors was much more serious than what is going on now with Hughes as long as hughes isn’t injured.

    They went down to the minors because they were just ineffective and had to do major revamping of how they played the game.

    Hughes has things to work on in terms of skills but he’s was never in the situation where he just couldn’t get outs at all when his arm was right.

  80. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan April 15th, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    An ancillary note. For those of you who aren’t happy with your internet speed – you should check and see if Verizon FIOS is available in your neighborhood. I can’t believe how fast it is. Speed Test averages about 18 mbps down and 16 mbps up. And that’s with a wireless connection.

    It’s especially great for streaming video.
    ——————————————-
    is that better than 400KB and 1MB …….not up on this stuff

  81. joeman April 15th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    # stuckey99 April 15th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    Montero 1 for 1 tonight already.

    Pull and him and drive him to the Bronx.

    My kid needs new shoes….
    ————————————————
    where’s he going to play

  82. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    alot of people fixated on jesus’s hitting, but for this season at least, its his catching that will determine when he is ready.

  83. BBFan April 15th, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    CB, that is even better news.
    My point was for the people not to worry too much about Hughes.
    He will be back improved, of course, if he does not have an unknown injury.

  84. Jerkface April 15th, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    is that better than 400KB and 1MB …….not up on this stuff

    mbps = megabit per second, divide by 8 to get kilobytes per second so 18,000 mbps = 2,250 kb/sec = 2.19 mb/s

    Its basically very fast.

  85. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    im not worried that phil is injured, but i do have some concern that in trying to fix him he may develop one. its always an issue when you mess with a pitcher’s mechanics.

    but phil seems pretty on top of it, i dont think he’d be stupid enough to not say something if he feels a twinge or pull. he knows the big money for him is down the road…

  86. Betsy April 15th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    CB, true………….I have a more positive feeling now than I did before because I feel positive steps are being taken.

    Stuckey, true enough.

    SJ, and I guess it’s why no one is a can’t miss……..it’s just too much of a crapshoot.

  87. West Coast Yankee Fan April 15th, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Joeman – FIOS uses fiber optics. Suffice it to say it loads an average web page in a second or two.

  88. Betsy April 15th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    Mike, no because we’ve been using our mechanic. He’s been in the biz a long time and has connections – and he’s absolutely trustworthy. I have some serious thinking to do, lol

  89. SAS April 15th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Most of the time during heated discussions, I just ignore them, but to see bright men argue over nothing for almost an hour is absurd. It seems as though most of you are only happy when you can pick on the negative.

    The Yankees, after all, are in first base despite a bad series of starts by Hughes, and Gardner and Jeter not hitting.

    At least a few people do talk about positive things or how to fix the negative, but give me a break, I don’t want to come home and catch up on what’s happening only to read you all trashing each other.

  90. Betsy April 15th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    CB, but Lee and Doc worked on their issues in games that didn’t count, where no one paid any attention to them. Phil is going to presumably have to work on his skills in the white hot spotlight of NY – and in games that count. It won’t be easy.

  91. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    everybody have fun predicting gloom and doom while the yankees play. im going to enjoy the game!

    Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!

  92. Joe from Long Island April 15th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    CB – I have to disagree with your take on the Yankees’ decision making about Hughes.

    All we know is what has been reported in the media. What we don’t know is how accurately that reflects the internal discussions. Did they actually seriously consider sending to AAA, or was that the organizational equivalent of thinking out loud. Or was it taken from someone who was out of the loop?

    All we truly know for sure is the end result, ie, the DL. And, at least to me, that end result makes sense.

  93. 4 NYY April 15th, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Well, I get to watch it on MLB Network, so I’ll enjoy.

  94. YsGuy April 15th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    you mean jackie robinson wasnt a met??? somebody needs to tell the wilpons… :)

    ..see you after the game

  95. gumbyandpokey April 16th, 2011 at 12:42 am

    texas has a great lineup

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