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Joba’s up-and-down ride

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Apr 18, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It seems every time you want to believe Joba Chamberlain has turned a corner and is close to being his old self in relief for the Yankees, he stumbles.

Chamberlain was clocked on one gun at 98 this past Thursday against Baltimore when he went 1 2/3, allowing no hits and no walks while fanning two. Then Saturday against Texas, he threw a scoreless inning with two more Ks.

Then came Sunday night’s seventh. CC Sabathia fanned the first batter and then departed with his 5-4 lead. Chamberlain came in and immediately walked Ian Kinsler. With two outs, Michael Young tagged him for the tying ground-rule double to right-center.

So Chamberlain is 1-0 with a 4.00 ERA over nine appearances and nine innings. He has been charged with five runs, four of them earned, and seven hits while striking out nine, walking three and hitting one. He has been charged with at least one run in four of his outings.

Still, before the Yankees’ 6-5 win Sunday night, Joe Girardi spoke about his seventh-inning guy’s improved velocity and stuff.

“I do think he’s throwing a little bit harder than he did last year out of the bullpen,” Girardi said. “I think his slider is much more consistent. It has more depth. He’s able to throw it for strikes, and I think that’s made a big difference as well. I also see a much better downhill plane from Joba. His mechanics seem to be a little bit more sound, and I think he has less question about them in a sense. And you’re seeing him make more quality pitches.”

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182 Responses to “Joba’s up-and-down ride”

  1. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    I would make Joba compete with D-Rob for that 7th inning spot.

    Ride the hot hand.

    Joba’s stuff does look better but his FB command still leaves something to be desired.

  2. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Joba is more suited to being a starter.

    He’s better over the course of several innings than in short stints. Too bad his own team doesn’t know how best to take advantage of his abilities.

    Maybe next year.

  3. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    as last nights GREAT game came to a close all ac1 could do is slam jeter again and again. its really sad that you cant even root for your team or enjoy a hard fought victory without whining about what didnt happen. sad little man

  4. JM April 18th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    If Joba ever becomes a starter, it will not be for the Yankees.

  5. Wang IS Taiwan April 18th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    MTU — I agree. It was a big mistake last year when Girardi crowned Joba the 8th inning. D-Rob has had some great outings as well (and some bad ones), so why does Joba become the auto 7th inning guy? Let them compete. It brings out the best in athletes who are all about competing. It doesn’t hurt in the arts, either to have a little competition push you to do your best. :)

  6. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    JAP-

    I have always been a big Joba supporter but if you really want to see him start again then hope he gets traded.

    He does have four fully dveloped pitches. That’s for sure.

    I think his shoulder is finally healthy again.

    His problem seems to be command of the FB.

    If he gets that down he could pretty much write his own ticket.

    I don’t know that he ever will though.

    The Yankees seem to see him as strictly pen material.

  7. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    joba give up one run and needs to be replaced. dont you think your standards might be just a bit high?

  8. Rich in NJ April 18th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    I still may trust Joba more than Soriano at this point. Most non-Mo relievers tend to be somewhat inconsistent.

  9. Wang IS Taiwan April 18th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Ugh. Watching Joba as a starter was just plain painful. He’d walk around the mound looking like he didn’t know what to throw. I think his personality fits a reliever much better. One thing I do believe is that the Yankees just don’t know how to handle young pitchers.

  10. Erin April 18th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Great game last night. Glad to hear that Alex’s MRI came back clean.

    Last night cemented it-I officially hate the new ESPN Sunday night crew. I never thought I’d miss Miller and Morgan.

  11. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Joba needs to work on his consistency.

    Command of that big FB.

    If he gets that down the sky is the limit.

    If not he will be mediocre.

    That’s my take.

  12. Wang IS Taiwan April 18th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Rich — I guess that’s why they’re relievers. Most are up and down, depending on the day — or in Soriano’s case — the weather. How does he think he’s going to pitch in the playoffs if he can’t pitch in chilly weather? I don’t get it.

    Mo’s been pretty amazing. What a pleasure to watch. I’m trying to really enjoy the time we have left with him.

  13. randy l. April 18th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    “You have to wonder how he’s going to do if the Yankees get deep into October because he said after this one: “I think it helped that it was a little warmer today.” Soriano told Girardi that he won’t see peak velocity from him this month.”

    so much for the fools last winter on the blog that said april weather doesn’t matter to players.

    …though i think that soriano has let it get in his head a bit.

    if he’s going to stay a yankee , he’s going to have to learn to deal with cold weather. he needs to use it too an advantage. it’s easier to throw in cold weather than it is to hit.

  14. ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    as last nights GREAT game came to a close all ac1 could do is slam jeter again and again. its really sad that you cant even root for your team or enjoy a hard fought victory without whining about what didnt happen. sad little man

    ___

    Ys Guy,

    STFU man. I am a huge Jeter fan, but what I said was based on fact.

    If you go in there expecting him to be clutch, you will be sadly disappointed.

    If you go back, i have defended Jeter to everyone on here for more than a year, so dont mouth off if you dont know what the hell you are talking about.

  15. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Rich-

    That may be true but inconsistent relievers= mediocre relievers.

  16. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    JM April 18th, 2011 at 9:10 am
    If Joba ever becomes a starter, it will not be for the Yankees.

    ///

    At this point he probably doesn’t care a whole lot. Yet he may surprise you & be in the 2012 Yankee rotation.

  17. Wang IS Taiwan April 18th, 2011 at 9:17 am

    I’m hoping that the chilly weather was simply an excuse for a bad performance and not a given in Soriano’s case.

  18. LGY April 18th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Sori threw what, 2 times in ST?

    If ya know your velo is usually down in April maybe you want to try, I don’t know, preparing a little harder in ST???

  19. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    JAP-

    I doubt that very much.

    If all goes well a couple guys name Dellin and Manny will have a lot to say about that.

    ;)

  20. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    if the yankees really faultered and became ordinary for 2-3 years, about half the posters on this blog would become ‘lifelong’ fans of the mets or the phillies or whatever other team was the hot team of the moment. there are precious few who would (or already have) stick it out through a drought like we had before 96, or before 75.

    of course i dont want to see that happen, but the cleansing of the fanbase would be great.

  21. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    edit: named. sorry.

  22. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Dellin and Manny are going to be on innings limits next year although I expect both guys to make the rotation on merit if neither gets hurt, though not necessarily right out of ST.

    I’ll be seeing both if the weather cooperates this week.

  23. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    # J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Joba is more suited to being a starter.

    He’s better over the course of several innings than in short stints. Too bad his own team doesn’t know how best to take advantage of his abilities.

    Maybe next year.

    ——————————————————–

    It will be for another team he’s not starting for this one.

  24. RadioKev April 18th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    I do think he’s improved a lot. It’s difficult to be very negative about his performances as it’s still early. Perhaps he’ll shape up to be a bit more lockdown as the season goes on.

    Robertson vs Joba for the 7th could make sense. As bizarre as Robertson’s role in the pen is now, it kind of makes sense. Pitching him in needed lockdown innings with runners on base makes sense because of his high K/rate, but why not do that with every great reliever?

  25. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    “Ys Guy,

    STFU man. I am a huge Jeter fan, but what I said was based on fact.

    If you go in there expecting him to be clutch, you will be sadly disappointed.

    If you go back, i have defended Jeter to everyone on here for more than a year, so dont mouth off if you dont know what the hell you are talking about.”

    /////

    i said nothing about jeters performance, only about your obsession with jeters performance as the yankees were coming back and winning last night.

  26. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    JAP-

    I’m expecting big things from Manuelito this year.

    Please provide your impressions anytime you get to see him live.

    Would love to hear them.

    :)

  27. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Girardi does appear to have a blind spot or prejudice when it comes to Robertson.

  28. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    # Wang IS Taiwan April 18th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Ugh. Watching Joba as a starter was just plain painful. He’d walk around the mound looking like he didn’t know what to throw. I think his personality fits a reliever much better. One thing I do believe is that the Yankees just don’t know how to handle young pitchers.

    ————————————————————————————-

    That’s the other issue and I know some ppl don’t like hearing that but how can a team with their resources have this much trouble with pitching. No one expects them to be perfect but….

  29. RSM April 18th, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Most relievers are inconsistent. We’ve been spoiled watching Mo. But he’s the exception, not the rule.

  30. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    # J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:16 am

    JM April 18th, 2011 at 9:10 am
    If Joba ever becomes a starter, it will not be for the Yankees.

    ///

    At this point he probably doesn’t care a whole lot. Yet he may surprise you & be in the 2012 Yankee rotation.

    —————————–

    No way he’s in the 2012 rotation. I just don’t see it.

  31. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    aao, red sock, cubs and mets have plenty of resources…

  32. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Manny is supposed to be throw Tuesday. Still waiting to see if Dellin goes tonight.

    ///

    The win last night is the kind that can be the difference in helping us win the division. IT was that kind of win. & it was nice that the Yankee bats shut up whoever that was in the ESPN booth who could not get enough of saying how the Rangers “don’t care” about the Yankee mystique. That was beginning to get annoying and repetitive.

  33. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    # J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Girardi does appear to have a blind spot or prejudice when it comes to Robertson.

    —————————————-

    Which is weird because he had no problem moving D-rob in front of Joba after Chamberlain became a non factor in the 2nd half of the season.

  34. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Odds,

    :D

  35. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    # YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:27 am

    aao, red sock, cubs and mets have plenty of resources…

    ————————————-

    the Red Sox have Lester
    the Cubs have Big Z.
    the Mets are a grease fire.

  36. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    the Red Sox have Lester
    the Cubs have Big Z.
    the Mets are a grease fire.

    ///

    and the yankees have cc, so whats the point?

  37. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    JAP what’s up man :)

  38. Joe from Long Island April 18th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    I think it’s just a matter of Girardi having more faith in Robertson to come in with men on base. He wants, I think, to give Joba more of a clean slate, no baserunners on. At least, that’s how it seems he uses them.

  39. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    I think JOE has flavor of the week syndrome. Maybe he’s going with his “gut”, ha ha. To me, D-Rob is a better reliever than Joba.

  40. LGY April 18th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Robertson often pitches in a more important + higher leverage situation than Joba or Sori.

    If you trust Robertson you should be happy with his role, because despite Girardi’s insistence otherwise, the number of the inning diw

  41. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    and the mets couldnt get a fire started with a ton of napalm and a blow torch.

  42. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    # YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    the Red Sox have Lester
    the Cubs have Big Z.
    the Mets are a grease fire.

    ///

    and the yankees have cc, so whats the point?

    ——————————

    CC came from the farm I didn’t know that. I guess it’s true you learn something new everyday.

  43. LGY April 18th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    *does not designate its importance*

    I hit submit too soon.

  44. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Odds,

    I’m just chucklin’ with your response to JC not ever bein in the rotation again.

    Any how, D-Rob is a better reliever because I think you are always on the lookout for more variance in performance by Joba. Like I said, I think Joba’s stuff plays better over the course of a game. IOW, I have the opposite view: Joba’s “mentality”, lol, is best suited to starting.

  45. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    “I hit submit too soon.”

    Don’t feel bad there are some posters around here who could make a grown man cry.

    :)

  46. 108 stitches April 18th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    For the most part the bullpen has been good. Girardi is still in the process of establishing the 6th and 7th inning roles. With Logan the only LH in the bullpen, it’s difficult to use mix & match situations before the 8th inning.
    It will sort itself out as the season moves along.

  47. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    D-Rob often walks the first man but then goes into his K-Wood routine. The bullpen’s fine in any case.
    ///

    If Hughes gets himself together & can return to last season’s form it will be like the Yanks made a deal for a starter.

  48. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 9:36 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Odds,

    I’m just chucklin’ with your response to JC not ever bein in the rotation again.

    ——————————————

    I would love to be wrong. Besides Jeter have a big yr nothing would make me happier than seeing Joba in pinstripes starting every five days.

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Soriano’s cold weather thing won’t be as much of an issue in October cos he will have pitched all yr. I think it’s the combo of cold & these guys’ arms not being fully awake yet. I think it’s an imaginary worry.

  50. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    I would love to be wrong. Besides Jeter have a big yr nothing would make me happier than seeing Joba in pinstripes starting every five days.

    ///

    Ha ha and it actually might help the team,too!

  51. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    # J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Odds,

    I’m just chucklin’ with your response to JC not ever bein in the rotation again.

    Any how, D-Rob is a better reliever because I think you are always on the lookout for more variance in performance by Joba. Like I said, I think Joba’s stuff plays better over the course of a game. IOW, I have the opposite view: Joba’s “mentality”, lol, is best suited to starting.

    ——————————————

    I think Joba would agree with you.

    What does it mean to be built for the bullpen?
    “I have no idea. I don’t know what that means. That’s a question you’d have to ask him. Everybody’s perception is different of what they feel. That’s a question for him”

  52. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    aao sorry i misread your post. still disagree with you, though, we currently dont have alot of SP talent from the farm but we did produce a closer who’s way better than anything those teams have and in 2-3 years the whole equation could be turned comepletly over.

    i tend to take a much longer-range view than most on here. this is baseball , not football. i havent given up on hughes b/c he had 3 bad starts, he will get it straiight. then if even one of the b’s comes through we’re right there with any team in terms of producing talent.

    big Z is only still a cub b/c nobody wants to give them anything for the guy.

  53. ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Drew leading off for Boston? When i think leadoff hitter, of course Drew is the first name that comes to mind.

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    I think Joba would agree with you.

    What does it mean to be built for the bullpen?
    “I have no idea. I don’t know what that means. That’s a question you’d have to ask him. Everybody’s perception is different of what they feel. That’s a question for him”

    ///

    Classic.

  55. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    # J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    I would love to be wrong. Besides Jeter have a big yr nothing would make me happier than seeing Joba in pinstripes starting every five days.

    ///

    Ha ha and it actually might help the team,too!

    ————————————-

    Yea it might. Who knows what’s going to happen next yr. Does a guy like Garcia buy himself another yr with the Yanks?

  56. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    JAP-

    Hughes was being counted on to be a #2/3 starter. We’re lucky to have Colon to fill in and hold the fort.

    Right now Mr. SuperNova needs to pick it up.

    We’ll see how things develop but a TD pickup doesn’t seem unlikely to me right now.

    The Rotation was always the ? for me.

    At this moment, it still is.

  57. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Does anyone know when Marte is supposed to be back?

    Ever?

  58. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    crawford’s dislike of leading off (and playing cf) is very strange given his skill set. i know he has power but so did rickey, the best leadoff man in history and a helluva CF in his prime.

  59. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    JAP-

    I believe his reappearance is synchronized with Halley’s Comet.

    :)

  60. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    i think marte is scheduled to pitch 4 innings in august of next year before going back on the dl

  61. ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Does anyone know when Marte is supposed to be back?

    ___

    Cash said September at the earliest, so probably not as a Yankee.
    At least we got something out of him, dominating Ryan Howard in the 09 WS.

  62. ADam April 18th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Joba’s been used in 9/14 games…. that’s a lot

  63. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    ok, i just contacted nostradamus with my ‘powers’ and asked him about marte’s return and he said “how the hell am i supposed to know…”

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    The funny thing about the rotation is that AJ at present (& C) seems the most reliable. I thought AJ would have a bounce back season but it is funny when you take into account the generally accepted view that AJ is a weak link or at least a combustible one. Not so far.

    The rotation is getting by. It beats Boston’s, maybe not Tampa’s with Hughes sidelined. Nova gonna struggle a little from time to time, that’s how it goes with young guys, can’t shove em all in the bullpen, or it will get mighty crowded in there, lol.

  65. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    If I were Cashman and I heard the words “lefty releiever available as a FA” I’d run for cover.

    :)

  66. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    # YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    aao sorry i misread your post. still disagree with you, though, we currently dont have alot of SP talent from the farm but we did produce a closer who’s way better than anything those teams have and in 2-3 years the whole equation could be turned comepletly over.

    i tend to take a much longer-range view than most on here. this is baseball , not football. i havent given up on hughes b/c he had 3 bad starts, he will get it straiight. then if even one of the b’s comes through we’re right there with any team in terms of producing talent.

    big Z is only still a cub b/c nobody wants to give them anything for the guy.

    ——————————–
    It was an honest mistake.

    True we did produce a closer and he is the greatest of all time but that closer was produced 15-16 yrs ago. It doesn’t anything anyway from him being but it was more than a decade ago that he came on the scene.

    I was on Cashman’s side yrs ago when other Yankee fans criticized the farm and him but it’s six yrs into this plan and I’m not sure if he’s still on the right path. The farm system has improved by leaps and bounds but look at the current status of the first big 3.

  67. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    A 2009 WS form Marte would be swell.

    Meanwhile, Tabata JUST RAKING .310/.420/.517 w-3HRs.

  68. ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    Cash should stay away from lefty specialists at this point.
    Find a RHP with a good change up…

  69. ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Meanwhile, Tabata JUST RAKING .310/.420/.517 w-3HRs.

    ____

    Yeah two years later, tabata starts to hit his potential.
    However, I still believe we don’t win that WS vs. Philly without Marte.
    But who knows….
    Would love Tabata now in left.

  70. LGY April 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Tito has lineup ADD

  71. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    aao, i think thats a misconception about the last ‘big 3′. i think if you start with 3 big name prospects in your farm and 2 become mid rotation starters and the other a sometimes inconsistent reliever, you are way above average. they havent hit a homer yet (so few prospects actually become elite) but at least half of all pitching prospects end up having little to no impact at the major league level.

    also you cant hold on to all of them either. kennedy, lilly, contreras and others are performing well in mlb even though they have moved on.

  72. ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Would also like to see AAA give Jorge Vasquez some time in left field.
    He is mashing the ball, but no way we see him unless Alex/Tex/Chavez end up on the DL.

  73. ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    And finally…. Eduardo Nunez.
    While i think he is better than Pena, he has not played this year.
    Send Nunez back to Scranton to play everyday, and let Pena sit the bench.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am
    Meanwhile, Tabata JUST RAKING .310/.420/.517 w-3HRs.

    ____

    Yeah two years later, tabata starts to hit his potential.
    However, I still believe we don’t win that WS vs. Philly without Marte.
    But who knows….
    Would love Tabata now in left.
    ///

    Yup. Saw this kid in Trenton & you knew he was goin to hit. Marte was key against those lefties no lie but I wouldn’t have signed off on that trade. Tabata in left, yessir.

  75. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    # ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Meanwhile, Tabata JUST RAKING .310/.420/.517 w-3HRs.

    ____

    Yeah two years later, tabata starts to hit his potential.
    However, I still believe we don’t win that WS vs. Philly without Marte.
    But who knows….
    Would love Tabata now in left.

    —————————————-

    Tabata in left would be nice. Hopefully Gardner turns in around I just don’t see him as the long term answer in left.

  76. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    OK, so Joba is throwing hard again, out of the pen. And he’s inconsistent. And he can blow leads for you – see 2009 Game 4. What else is new?

  77. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    If Soriano is useless for 3 months out of the year, why did we sign him?

  78. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    i was at tabata’s last game in our organization. he didnt hustle after one ball, argued with the manager between innings and then let another drop in in front of him while sulking. then he came in and had a screaming match with franklin in front of everyone.

    i dont know what the options were, but something had to be done. and marte was huge for his short time.

  79. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    so much for the fools last winter on the blog that said april weather doesn’t matter to players.

    No one said this but it must be fun fighting imaginary battles

  80. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    # YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    aao, i think thats a misconception about the last ‘big 3?. i think if you start with 3 big name prospects in your farm and 2 become mid rotation starters and the other a sometimes inconsistent reliever, you are way above average. they havent hit a homer yet (so few prospects actually become elite) but at least half of all pitching prospects end up having little to no impact at the major league level.

    also you cant hold on to all of them either. kennedy, lilly, contreras and others are performing well in mlb even though they have moved on.

    —————————————————————–

    We’ll have to agree to disagree on the big three. Yes the book isn’t closed on them but right now I don’t think it can be looked at as a win.(couldn’t think of a better word to use)

  81. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    # Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    If Soriano is useless for 3 months out of the year, why did we sign him?

    —————————————

    lol they didn’t trust their 7th inning guy

  82. randy l. April 18th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    “No one said this but it must be fun fighting imaginary battles”

    rabbit ears :)

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:02 am
    i was at tabata’s last game in our organization. he didnt hustle after one ball, argued with the manager between innings and then let another drop in in front of him while sulking. then he came in and had a screaming match with franklin in front of everyone.

    i dont know what the options were, but something had to be done. and marte was huge for his short time.

    ///
    They were saying the same crap about Montero last yr. Look the kid is gone. I’m happy for him that someone had the patience to wait out his stick. I hope he has a great career.

  84. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Marte’s 09 WS was so brilliant and unfathomably dominating that it may have been worth the trade.

  85. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    before we bury soriano, lets remember he led the league in saves pitching in the al east last season, im sure more than one on the road. he’s not chopped liver. im willing to bet one or three of those wins came in april or september in ny boston or chicago.

  86. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    saves not wins

  87. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Tabata in left would be nice. Hopefully Gardner turns in around I just don’t see him as the long term answer in left.

    ///
    Odds – He doesn’t have to be long term cos we have more talented guys in the pipeline who just ain’t ready yet. All he has to do is hold down the ninth spot in this lineup. walk, bunt, flick the ball the other way, hit grounders & try to beat em out. If he can’t do it, he’ll get replaced. GOlson could get a promo, you lose nothing on D but actually gain. he doesn’t walk, though.

  88. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Soriano pitched 3 innings total in Fenway/NYS last year.

  89. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am
    YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:02 am
    i was at tabata’s last game in our organization. he didnt hustle after one ball, argued with the manager between innings and then let another drop in in front of him while sulking. then he came in and had a screaming match with franklin in front of everyone.

    i dont know what the options were, but something had to be done. and marte was huge for his short time.

    ///
    They were saying the same crap about Montero last yr. Look the kid is gone. I’m happy for him that someone had the patience to wait out his stick. I hope he has a great career.

    /////

    first off, what i said was not crap, just an accounting of what i saw the day he was basically thrown out of the organization. secondly, i highly doubt that montero ever willingly let balls fall in or made no attempt to perform for his team. also never heard of montero having a screaming match with the manager in front of everone.

  90. ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    They were saying the same crap about Montero last yr. Look the kid is gone. I’m happy for him that someone had the patience to wait out his stick. I hope he has a great career.

    ___

    And if he really does turn into something, we will be looking his way in free agency.

  91. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    But he pitched in 4 games @ Balt and Fenway last year that were in pretty bad weather, and didnt give up a run. Maybe pinstripes+cold is in his head. Or maybe its simply reliever variance and Soriano wants to use the weather as an excuse.

    I don’t think I heard Rivera use the weather ever as an excuse and he isn’t from the North Pole.

  92. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    so jerk any cold weather saves?

  93. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    # J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Tabata in left would be nice. Hopefully Gardner turns in around I just don’t see him as the long term answer in left.

    ///
    Odds – He doesn’t have to be long term cos we have more talented guys in the pipeline who just ain’t ready yet. All he has to do is hold down the ninth spot in this lineup. walk, bunt, flick the ball the other way, hit grounders & try to beat em out. If he can’t do it, he’ll get replaced. GOlson could get a promo, you lose nothing on D but actually gain. he doesn’t walk, though.

    ————————————————————–

    I didn’t think about it that way before. You’re right about that JAP

  94. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:17 am

    agree jerk, i dont think its nearly as much about cold weather and more about getting used to the whole new thing. i think he will be lights out as the season progresses

  95. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am
    Marte’s 09 WS was so brilliant and unfathomably dominating that it may have been worth the trade.
    ///

    he was otherworldly man. I was at those games & the boy was sick. That said, I gulped cos I knew what Tabata was bound for & you can’t quantify the future impact Tabata might have had on the team. If the Yanks don’t goof with Montero & make sure he’s part of the future it will soften the blow. Pitching? The system is loaded. We NEED to start adding young premium bats soon the lineup is aging.

  96. Doc Iac April 18th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    did someone really say they want to say vazquez in LF?…ha!

  97. pat April 18th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Ken_Rosenthal Sources: #Jays trading Purcey to #Athletics for RHP Danny Farquhar. A’s had acquired Farquhar from Jays in R. Davis deal over winter. #MLB

  98. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 10:15 am
    They were saying the same crap about Montero last yr. Look the kid is gone. I’m happy for him that someone had the patience to wait out his stick. I hope he has a great career.

    ___

    And if he really does turn into something, we will be looking his way in free agency.

    ///
    that would be even bettah! I always feel entitled to outbid for kids we seeded.

  99. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    I always liked Tabata and it was annoying to see him have so much disciplinary trouble and weird off field issues as well as the specter of being older than listed hanging over him. I didn’t like the Yankees dumping him for Marte-Nady, 08 was not a banner year.

    Pretty sure the Yankees could have simply got Marte by himself without giving up Tabata.

    That said, I’m not going to let Tabata’s hot start get me down, lets see him do it the entire year. Last year at this time Gardner was rocking it and were he on another time someone would be complaining about trading him. (Its me. I’m the guy that would be complaining).

  100. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    so jerk any cold weather saves?

    As I said, he pitched in 4 games in april @ Bal and @ Fenway and the weather conditions seem terrible in the box score. One of the games was rainy. 30 degree weather and what not.

    Soriano is good, but he does not have a good attitude. I don’t think this is debatable or even arm chair psychologizing since his former manager and current manager have mentioned things.

    Luckily, by Sept/Oct he’ll have pitched about 40+ innings in the warm weather to settle in and get his confidence.

  101. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Another brilliant observation – Soriano isn’t Mariano.

  102. stuckey99 April 18th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    So this is how this works… Austin Jackson is hitting .50 below his weight so we move onto Tabata…?

  103. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:28 am

    It is a brilliant bit of observation when someone is pushing an agenda that anyone from south of America is incapable of playing in cold weather ;)

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    first off, what i said was not crap, just an accounting of what i saw the day he was basically thrown out of the organization. secondly, i highly doubt that montero ever willingly let balls fall in or made no attempt to perform for his team. also never heard of montero having a screaming match with the manager in front of everone.

    ///
    montero was accused of being out of shape, sulky & loafing down the lines. Making snap judgments about young players who are in a foreign land separated from their family & all they’ve known who don’t speak the language well is counter productive.I don’t know what the yanks tried with Tabata but that’s a pretty talented young man right there & not the first to not be a model citizen right out of the box.

  105. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    And while Soriano does not have Mariano’s ability, though he does have a good career ERA over 400 career innings which a lot of relievers can hardly manage, there is one area that ANYONE can match Mariano and that is attitude.

    Even if you can’t throw an unhittable cutter pitch after pitch, you can at least carry yourself with some respect and accountability.

  106. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    I think there is a clear difference between not running out a ground ball hard, which happens every day in the majors, and playing your position poorly on purpose and throwing a fit.

  107. Joe from Long Island April 18th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    All I know is what I’ve read, in the papers and here on the blog, so take it for what it’s worth – But, Jose Tabata was reported to be much more of a problem at Trenton than Jesus Montero ever was, when he had his behavioral misdaventure.

    The way I look at it, the Yanks traded Tabata and his potential, for both good and evil, for Marte and a WS in 2009. I think it worked out well. Others may disagree.

  108. G. Love April 18th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    I happily gave up Tabata for the help to win a WS in 09. I’d give up any of the prospects you guys drool over to win another title this year. I would’ve given up Montero for Lee last year with Nova.

    The more rings Mo gets to put his on fingers before he walks away from the game, the more there is right in this world.

  109. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    its hard to put a value on discipline, but you have to remember they were trying to develop jackson (and others) right alongside tabata. while you dont want to give up on a player of tabata’s ability, its not fair to the manager to ask him to take that kind of abuse or to ask the rest of the team to put out thier best effort when one guy is off on his own planet (even the red socks had to give up on manny). it also effects the discipline of other players on the team.

    also the yankees dont own the thunder, they are a very strong organization on thier own and tony franklin is their man and they werent going to put up with him being undermined. so if they just told the yankees that they werent taking tabata back, you have a big problem on your hands, do you promote a guy b/c you cant keep him on the aa team, demote him when he has nothing to prove in the lower levels or get into a ‘rights’ fight with your strongest minor league franchise.

    he put them into a really tight spot and they did what they did.

  110. Joe from Long Island April 18th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    ‘face – re: Soriano and his attitude. He does seem to have his mind set on certain things. However, he knew what the arrangement was when he signed his name on the papers. Again, just what I’ve read in the Newsday a couple of weeks ago, but I recall reading that Soriano was very quiet, but starting to open up with Mariano in the clubhouse; and was professional.

    What really goes on in there, I don’t think we’ll ever know. But, with that team, they can handle a bit of a character in one guy. The rest of the team is that solid, they won’t let it throw them off course. My opinion.

  111. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:32 am
    I think there is a clear difference between not running out a ground ball hard, which happens every day in the majors, and playing your position poorly on purpose and throwing a fit.

    ///
    Hmmm…maybe a cry for help, maybe the Yankees with all their resources could have tried to help the youngster. Aren’t you the guy who wanted Milton Bradley on this team at one point? Is Tabata having these issues in Pittsburgh? Where he is flat out raking? Even hitting for power? All I’m sayin is when it comes to young players with that kind of upside, you don’t go all petulant because he’s not a Donnie Baseball cutout.

  112. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    – But, Jose Tabata was reported to be much more of a problem at Trenton than Jesus Montero ever was, when he had his behavioral misdaventure.

    ///
    Man would I love to have that problem in the Yankee lineup about now.

  113. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    I want all the miscreants in baseball, Prufrock. I just don’t think you can compare Tabata and Montero. In my estimation they ought to have worked harder to correct/assist Tabata, but whatever he blew up in the span of a few months while not hitting so they traded him.

  114. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    If I were the Yankees I’d have forcibly divorced Tabata from his wife.

  115. Tom in N.J. April 18th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    “In 2010, the Pirates organization acknowledged that Tábata may be older than originally thought, perhaps in his mid 20s”

    He could be 25-26.

  116. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    There’s no denying how huge Marte was in that WS win. He was even pivotal against that lineup in that postseason Moment. But the other shoe has dropped on this & there’s some pain to be felt for several yrs. If we don’t blow it & we keep Montero it won’t hurt. As much.

  117. bdog375 April 18th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    He does not throw his fastball enough. He had enough pitches to be a starter, but since he is in the bullpen he needs to shelve the curve, cut back on the slider, and start pumping the heat. Instead, for some reason he starts batters with his off-speed stuff which is what pitchers with a poor fastball need to do.

  118. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Prufrock its April 18th. What if Tabata ends up OPSing under .800 again by the end of it? Don’t let it hang on your heart too heavy.

  119. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:42 am
    I want all the miscreants in baseball, Prufrock. I just don’t think you can compare Tabata and Montero. In my estimation they ought to have worked harder to correct/assist Tabata, but whatever he blew up in the span of a few months while not hitting so they traded him.

    ///
    Don’t misread me, I was never anti-Bradley so I’m not sayin you’re wrong in that. I can compare the two in the context I gave – talented young players that people griped about in terms of “attitude.” I think that gets overdone & puts noses out of joint,noses who need to be paying attention to the big picture – what kind of upside does the player have & what could that mean to my team’s future? Yea they traded him but those who thought he was goin to disappear in a cloud of shame are probably instead goin to get reminded a few times over the next few yrs that the Utley & Howard mastery comes at a cost, & as you point out, a cost that might not have even been necessary. That’s all.

  120. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    i wish sj was here, i have been curious about the relationship between a major league franchise and thier affiliated minor league franchises and what happens when they are in dispute, he has expertise there. i believe i read on mike ashmore’s column that tabata was suspended by the thunder before the yankees announced it and i suspect that they just unilaterally threw him off thier team.

  121. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    Instead, for some reason he starts batters with his off-speed stuff which is what pitchers with a poor fastball need to do.

    Couldn’t this simply be some game theory stuff? If it works for guys without a fastball, which doesn’t make sense because hitters ought to be sitting their offspeed, shouldn’t it work EVEN BETTER for a guy with good offspeed AND a good fastball?

    If he gets his offspeed over early, he can then go to the fastball to finish. And then mix it up in later PA against that batter to the point where they won’t know which pitch eh is going to throw in which count, which is the essence of pitching.

    Though he throws his fastball 66% of the time 0-0, so I don’t think its as big a problem as you think. Unless you think throwing a fastball more often, which makes the hitters job easier.

  122. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:49 am
    Prufrock its April 18th. What if Tabata ends up OPSing under .800 again by the end of it? Don’t let it hang on your heart too heavy.

    ///
    Naw, I’m seriously happy for the boy. The bat is real. & if we want to bring him back into papa’s arms one day, that would be ok with me.

  123. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Tom in N.J. April 18th, 2011 at 10:44 am
    “In 2010, the Pirates organization acknowledged that Tábata may be older than originally thought, perhaps in his mid 20s”

    He could be 25-26.

    ///
    Yea well Brett Gardner’s 27. The thing about Tabata that would excite me were I a Pirates fan is he’s showing power. The knock was not even that he wouldn’t hit, any fool could see he would. It was would he ever develop any power. So far, so good in that department.

  124. ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Maybe DiceBB will make a run at Phil Hughes’ worse ERA after three starts this year.

  125. ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    unless he has had more than 3 already, then nevermind.

  126. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    considering that tabata was ‘radioactive’ once suspended (for the second time that season iirc) cash did pretty well in the trade. so did pittsburgh, a win/win. the yankees had to move tabata and had no way of knowing that nady was going to get injured (or marte for that matter)and needed OF help, the pirates got tabata plus ohlendorf and karstens who probably didnt figure to contribute to the yankees but fit right in on the pirates.

    marte was awesome when we needed him most and swisher’s comeback from his dismal showing in chicago made everyone forget that nady was ever here.

  127. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    we’ve kicked it around about PAbe vs. chad and sam a few times but its hard not to notice how the current crew seems to view this blog as a job while for pete it was a passion. the morning post goes up at 9 am and nothing happens unless there is news after that, pretty much none of which is sniffed out by the lohud crew. pete would post the ‘this monring in the lohud’ then back it up like an hour later, then again and again. even when pete went on vacation, the posts just kept coming and you know he read the comments section all the time b/c he would jump in constantly.

    not saying anything bad about the current crop but the lack of passion is noticeable. pete has his oddities and crankiness, but this was his life not just his job.

  128. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    GO JAYS!!!

  129. Irreverent Discourse April 18th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    lol… tabata k’s 20% of his at bats and hits 60% ground balls. His good start is inflated by a .350 BABIP.

    Yeah, you would all love him around here.

  130. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    the yankees had to move tabata

    ///
    no, they didn’t. they did not “have to”. You like that he’s gone, that’s your opinion. To say they “had” to, like he’s some tumor they had to remove, is silly. They chose to. They got a WS ring out of it, so it wasn’t all bad. But that trade has the potential to look worse as time goes by.

  131. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    I don’t think it’s a lack of passion. I think it is just difference in personality. I love the job Chad, Sam, and Brian do here. They definitely keep us updated, and they keep their opinions to a minimum and don’t interject a lot.

    What Pete did was impose his views all of the time. That certainly caused a lot of forum activity, but it also caused a lot of forum dissension because he could be extremely acerbic.

    There is no perfect way to run a blog, but I take the current crew over the old way, hands down. JMO

  132. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    JD drew leading off?

  133. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Unless something baseball worthy is going on right now, a new pete abe post would probably be about the patriots or bruce springsteen, PASS.

  134. Irreverent Discourse April 18th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    YsGuy – I think you severely overestimate Pete’s dedication and posting frequency. This site is updated way more often now than it was when that RedSox fan was running the show. Also missing is his snarky nonsense about a-rod et al and his obsession with crappy old male singers.

    We are better off.

  135. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    I also think that a lot of the “crap” that has happened with one poster in particular has affected the posting. But let me say that the same thing was happening when Pete was here. It happened to escalate in the recent few weeks.

  136. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    no, they didn’t. they did not “have to”. You like that he’s gone, that’s your opinion. To say they “had” to, like he’s some tumor they had to remove, is silly. They chose to. They got a WS ring out of it, so it wasn’t all bad. But that trade has the potential to look worse as time goes by.

    ///

    this is totally correct and still ridiculously ill-informed. no they didnt ‘have to ‘ get rid of him, they could have let him undermine the organization and create problems between the thunder and the yankees, and let it fester and get worse and worse.

    its like breathing, you dont ‘have to ‘ do that either.

  137. austinmac April 18th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    I often wonder why so many spend so much time looking at past transactions when looking ahead is much more interesting and important. Tabata is gone. Jackson is gone.

    HIndsight is 20/20. Let’s hear some foresight.

  138. Tom in N.J. April 18th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    “Unless something baseball worthy is going on right now, a new pete abe post would probably be about the patriots or bruce springsteen, PASS.”

    He’d just say something silly about Alex….that was always good for 1000 comments..

  139. Howe Farr April 18th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    trisha, well said

  140. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Ricky Romero has a real fenway/red sox deficiency. That was a good result there though, maybe he can double up youk.

  141. Tom in N.J. April 18th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Tabata had quit on his team earlier that year, right?

  142. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    I often wonder why so many spend so much time looking at past transactions when looking ahead is much more interesting and important. Tabata is gone. Jackson is gone.

    Retrospection can be important, but generally people only do it here when what got away is doing well. Not so much now (Hey A-jax nice avg!)

  143. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    its an offday and there is basically nothing new going on, so i dont expect much here either.

    but why do so many want to stop other people from posting about issues they are not interested in. there is nothing else going on. someone mentioned how well tabata was doing and we went into a discussion of why he’s not a yankee, theres nothing wrong with that and if you dont want to read about it, dont, but why do you need everyone else not to talk about it? just skip the comments about tabata and go on with your day

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    YsGuy, it’s baseball, he’s not trying to win the Ladette’s Charm School pageant. There were alternatives to trading him they didn’t choose to exercise. For instance, they could have moved him down to Tampa for a “disciplinary” stretch & tried to rehab his “attitude”.

    He’s a baseball player who’s going to hit his way to a pretty nice career, maybe even a memorable career. Unfortunately it won’t be for the Yankees.

    I didn’t realize he had eight SB also. Nice.

  145. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Romero got jobbed on strike three to fatso.

  146. Tom in N.J. April 18th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    They do it to gloat. Last year it was Jackson and his .400 BA, this year it seems to be Tabata and his new found power.

  147. ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    does any away pitcher pitch well at fenway?

    sure doesnt help that at home, every close call goes in boston’s favor.

  148. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Jed Lowrie’s .400 batting average is annoying.

  149. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Ugh. Romero isn’t starting off too well. Hopefully DiceK is DiceK.

  150. JM April 18th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    #not saying anything bad about the current crop but the lack of passion is noticeable. pete has his oddities and crankiness, but this was his life not just his job.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    perhaps this is true. and it was somewhat unhealthy.

  151. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    austinmac April 18th, 2011 at 11:25 am
    I often wonder why so many spend so much time looking at past transactions when looking ahead is much more interesting and important. Tabata is gone. Jackson is gone.

    HIndsight is 20/20. Let’s hear some foresight.

    //

    yea except some people are actually baseball fans as well as Yankee fans & don’t consider acknowledging a former Yankee having success as next to heresy. One thing I agree with YsGuy on, the discussion, which is pretty much over, falls within the parameters of baseball.

    Beats the Bobby-Brad-John mud slinging passion play…or does it?? I can’t speak for anyone else.

  152. ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    as always, Ortiz gets a break on a strike and then they score.

  153. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Good news is that Crawford remains Crawford (the Suxian brand anyway).

  154. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    tom i am pretty sure tabata had been suspended earlier in that season before he went off on franklin. and im pretty sure that behind the scenes franklin threw down the ‘its him or me’ card.

    none of that means he ‘had to’ go but you have to balance the pros and cons. also he was struggling and beginning to lose his ‘cant miss’ status and really hasnt shown much to this point in his mlb career.

    if he was on this team and performed like he did last year alot of people would be screaming about it, his ops last year was lower than gardners.

  155. stuckey99 April 18th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    So we’re rooting for the second place team over the last please?

    So much for Toronto being for real and the Sox being overrated I guess.

  156. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Tom in N.J. April 18th, 2011 at 11:31 am
    They do it to gloat. Last year it was Jackson and his .400 BA, this year it seems to be Tabata and his new found power.

    ///
    If you’re talking to me, which you must be, I apologize for appreciating a good young hitter who became verboten once he was dispatched to another team. I must have missed that in the terms of agreement.

  157. ac1 April 18th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    of course we are rooting for the Jays. We know Toronto will be gone by the summer, but Boston will still be around.

  158. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Here! Here! Prufrock! I agree.

  159. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    actually im hoping romero gets lit up today, mainly because i’d likek to see toronto’s bp get tenderized before we get there.

    i dont really want either team to win but if you held my feet to a fire, id be hot.

    no i meant to say that if you held my feet to the fire, id stil want tor to beat boston. its in my genes.

  160. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Good article on pitching to contact and why its dumb: http://itsaboutthemoney.net/ar.....ver-learn/

  161. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    also, romero is on running robots in our fbb league who im playing against this week. that is the top team in points by a good amount and romero is pitching twice this week for him. but if he gets lit up and the jays come back to win, all the better.

  162. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    none of that means he ‘had to’ go but you have to balance the pros and cons. also he was struggling and beginning to lose his ‘cant miss’ status and really hasnt shown much to this point in his mlb career.

    if he was on this team and performed like he did last year alot of people would be screaming about it, his ops last year was lower than gardners.

    ///

    Maybe it’s now coming together for him. It wouldn’t be a shocker, he was always going to hit eventually. Why begrudge him his success? He doesn’t even play in the same league.

  163. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    rebels has romero and lowrie and i have bautista in this one, so far 1-0 my favor.

  164. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 11:50 am

    jap, i am a baseball fan, like you and i wish the kid no ill, i hope he gets his personal life together and becomes a great ballplayer, but i dont think the yankees has any real choice but to move him at the time.

  165. J. Alfred Prufrock April 18th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    YsGuy, that’s cool. I respectfully disagree with that & with their decision. I was just as giddy as anyone when Marte had that inhuman stretch making Phillies’ lefties look silly, so there’s that.

    Any way, have a good one.

  166. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2011 at 11:53 am

    “no i meant to say that if you held my feet to the fire, id stil want tor to beat boston. its in my genes.”

    YsGuy that really didn’t even need saying on this forum. Only posters who play stupid or who actually are stupid would question anyone rooting for the Sux to lose.

  167. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    i dont to to that many trenton games so it was just luck (or lack thereof) that i got to witness tabata’s meltdown. it was the ugliest thing i’ve ever seen in sports (live)

  168. Tom in N.J. April 18th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    JAP, You can say whatever it is about you want about anything, suit yourself.

    I was just drawing a comparision between AJax’s first month or so and Tabata’s first 60-70 PAs this year.

    And I do agree that Tabata changing teams was most likely for the best. Sometimes a change is what a player needs. And I hope he reaches his potential. I wish him no ill.

  169. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    I haven’t charter all of their Patriots Day games but it seems that the Sux have luck when they play 11 a.m games…

  170. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Good article on pitching to contact and why its dumb.

    ****************

    Wasn’t so dumb for Garcia.

  171. RayVT April 18th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Maybe the RSox should move AGone to 7th! LOL! 2 K’s already today.

  172. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    i think the constant competition and comparison between jackson, who seemed to have it together and tabata who was a train wreck also hurt tabata alot. they played alongside each other so it was natural but maybe it made things alot harder on jose.

  173. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Since I didn’t get to do one last night, I will post last night’s Final Jeopardy answer.

    The final Jeopardy answer is .286. Once again, .286. You have 30 seconds. Please be sure to put your final Jeopardy answer in the form of a question.

  174. RayVT April 18th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    BTW, AGone after his hot start is only hitting .260 now & has only 1 HR & 8 RBIs. He has been stone cold of late!

  175. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Guess who.

    7-55 with 0 home runs, 1 RBI, 10 strikeouts and a slash line of .127/.172/.145

    Mr. Carl Demonte Crawford!

  176. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    i know ajax is struggling but i’ve seen him make a few real nice catches in the OF this season, and i dont see too much of the tigers, so i dont think he’s taking his hitting problems out into the field with him. a good cf like him contributes greatly to a team even when he’s not hitting. same goes for gardner and granderson. (gardner being a cf playing a big lf)

  177. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Well, 30 seconds is up and I see nobody has come up with the Final Jeopardy question.

    The answer was .286.

    The Final Jeopardy Question was: “WHAT IS THE LOWEST WINNING PERCENTAGE IN THE MAJORS? AND IF IS HELD, OF COURSE, BY THE BEANTOWN SUX.

    Thank you for playing Final Jeopardy!

  178. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    hmmmmm .286…the calibre of one of longoria’s assault rifles?

    (i figured it had to be baseball related…) :)

  179. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    correction:

    The Final Jeopardy Question was: “WHAT IS THE LOWEST WINNING PERCENTAGE IN THE MAJORS? AND IT IS HELD, OF COURSE, BY THE BEANTOWN SUX.

  180. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    YsGuy – :lol:

    *************

    Seems that 11 in the morning is not optimal for Romero and the Jays.

  181. RayVT April 18th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    What is the Yankees team batting average so far?

  182. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 18th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Ray, Yanks at 257

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