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The Yankees 1-2 punch in Triple-A

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 18, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Of all the young hitters in big league camp this spring, Jorge Vazquez was the greatest surprise. Jesus Montero was the greatest disappointment.

Nine games into the Triple-A season, Vazquez is still hitting, and Montero has finally started.

This afternoon, Vazquez was named the International League Player of the Week. All he did was hit .423 with five home runs and 11 RBI through six games. For the season he’s hitting .325/.333/.775 with a team-high 15 RBI (more than twice as many as any one of his teammates). Vazquez is always going to strike out a bunch, and he’s not going to walk much, but that’s a big bat to have in reserve behind Mark Teixeira, Alex Rodriguez and Eric Chavez.

Montero has played in eight games this season, and he has three hits in half of them. He has one home run and three doubles, and my line earlier about him finally hitting was kind of a lie. Reports were positive about Montero from the moment he was assigned to minor league camp. He showed this spring that there might still be room to grow, but he’s shown this season that his bat is still one of the elite tools in minor league baseball.

Some other off day notes from the minor leagues:

• The early standout from the deep Triple-A outfield has been Jordan Parraz, the guy who was claimed this winter and designated for assignment just before spring training. Parraz has two homers, two triples and a .395 average. Ramiro Pena and Justin Maxwell are also off to strong starts in Triple-A. Off to surprisingly slow starts: Brandon Laird, Kevin Russo and Chris Dickerson.

Kevin Millwood was mostly 86-87 mph in his Double-A start on Sunday. Freddy Garcia showed on Saturday that a veteran pitcher can have success at that velocity, but it’s still hard to see a place for Millwood in New York. He’s going to have to prove he’s not only worth a call-up, but worth taking someone off the 40-man roster. For what it’s worth, Millwood’s line on Sunday was impressive: 7 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 4 BB and 3 K.

• Ten games into the Eastern League season, Trenton has two home runs as a team, one by Cody Johnson and one by Melky Mesa. Only Johnson and Ray Kruml are hitting better than .265.

• Stats from a name you might not know: Tampa starter Josh Romanski is 2-0 with a 0.82 ERA through two stats. He’s allowed five hits and two walks through 11 innings. The only run he’s allowed came on a homer.

• Speaking of Tampa, the High-A corner infielders are off to strong starts. Third baseman Rob Lyerly is hitting .364 with two doubles, two triples, two homers and 14 RBI. First baseman Luke Murton is hitting .341 with two homers, a triple and four doubles.

• Ten games into the Low-A season, former first-round pick Slade Heathcott is hitting .364/.396/.705, though he has struck out 15 times. Another name to keep in mind on that Charleston roster is corner outfielder/first baseman Ramon Flores. He popped onto the radar with an impressive turn in the Gulf Coast League last year, and now he’s hitting .353/.522/.471 in Low-A. He’s played in 10 games and drawn 10 walks with seven strikeouts.

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442 Responses to “The Yankees 1-2 punch in Triple-A”

  1. Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    What do guys like Vazquez earn playing in AAA?

  2. Betsy April 18th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Heathcott sounds like a guy who’s primed to be traded. His potential, from what I’ve heard, is to be a .270 type hitter with some power……..and a ton of Ks. He doesn’t sound like the CF of the future

  3. tyanksfan36 April 18th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Love the farm post Chad, especially the news about the Tampa Yankees who get no love. Josh Romanksi was my preseason pick for breakout/sleeper. So far he has exceeded my expectations.

  4. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Montero now has 5 of the 3 hit games with tonight’s first game. He’s not strikeing out and he’s not hitting into double plays that plagued him through the first 2-3 months last year. He’s getting smarter as a hitter.

  5. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    TY, San Black appeared to be zeroed in all night tonight.

  6. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    CB, not sure how much you’ve seen Montero catch this year, but, even though he still needs work on blocking the ball in the dirt on occassion, there’s no question about his ability to block the plate. in 3 of the games I’ve seen, he’s dove head first into the runner’s feet trying to score and 3 times, he’s gotten the throw in time to throw up a road block by getting on both knees and stop the runners cold, trying to score. The runner hits him and just stops dead. Few will move him off of the plate. I’m sure that Miley and the yankees cringe every time he does that.

  7. m1kew April 18th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    repost -

    GreenBeret7 – If you were Brian Cashman would you trade Jorge Vazquez for Alex Torres (Tampa Bay Rays/Durham Bulls)? i am assuming that Matt Moore would not be made available.

    If you were Andrew Friedman would you make that trade? I think Vazquez immediatley makes the Rays roster whereas Torres would not make the Yankees roster immediately. At first glance it seems the Yankees are giving more than they are getting but Torres, a lefty, misses a lot of bats and has a chance to be a long term contributor. And I think Vazquez will remain blocked by better players on the Yankee roster. (My thoughts only.)

    Each team gives up and gets something of value filling a need … but would they be willing to help a divisional rival? Just curious as to your thoughts. – Thanks.

  8. CompassRosy April 18th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    austinmac -

    I’m not saying the M’s won’t consider it (it’s only prudent to explore all options). I’m just hoping, maybe against hope, that there are other alternatives to upgrading the offense than trading one of, if not THE, best pitchers in the game (who, by the way is only 25 and under M’s control at a reasonable price for the next 3+ years.

  9. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    I’d trade Vazquez in any deal that improves the Yankees, but, not to just make a trade. Not sure that Tampa will do any deals with the Yankees.

  10. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    What ways Rosy?

  11. austinmac April 18th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Rosy,

    As one who hoped against hope withe Yankees of the late 60s and early 70s, I understand. There is no doubt his value considering his ability and age would likely be as high as anyone in the game. No one of equal value comes to my mind.

    Is Ichiro just off to a slow start or is it a decline?

  12. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Brandon Laird with a 400 footer to left field, 3-0 Scranton. Montero not playing

  13. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    The “Dogs” sack and pillage Rome.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....x_crdafx_1

  14. stuckey99 April 18th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    “Heathcott sounds like a guy who’s primed to be traded. His potential, from what I’ve heard, is to be a .270 type hitter with some power……..and a ton of Ks.”

    If that’s his “potential”, what sort of trade value do you imagine him having?

  15. stuckey99 April 18th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    O’s about to drop 8 straight.

    Who’s got the nuts to stand up and defend Showalter’s magic touch now?

  16. CompassRosy April 18th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    “What ways Rosy?”
    ============

    The usual…

    -using our own farm system (that Jack’s done a decent job of replenishing since the “Bavasi dismantling”) for contributions and/or trades

    -the draft (#2 overall this year and, unfortunately, looking pretty high for next year)

    -FA (quite a bit of $$$ coming off the books in ’11 and ’12)

    It takes time and I’ve got patience. I trust Jack to get creative in acquiring offense so I can continue to watch The King and the Prince every 5 days :-) … yeah, Jack’s had his share of clunkers, but he’s also gotten some pretty decent talent without giving up much, e.g., Vargas and Guti (unfortunately, our GG CF’er has been sent to the Mayo Clinic to try and get a diagnosis on a mysterious stomach ailment that has been troubling him since last season)

  17. Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    If we want Felix we’re taking him!

    We’ll also take the space needle and your retractable roof.

    And you can throw in some of those halibut cheeks as well. :wink:

  18. LGY April 18th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    The officiating in the NBA really is atrocious.

  19. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Heathcott is barely 20 years old. He’s a good outfielder with a very good arm, power and speed. A little early to decide that he’s a .270 hitter with some power and a lot of strikeouts. Maybe he should be allowed to mature and gain a little experience. His improvement since last year has been outstanding. Since he’s finally healthy, he’ll be fine. Or, maybe just trade him to Pittsburgh.

  20. LGY April 18th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    The Mariners can handle a big payroll.

    Maybe go after Prince Fielder?

    The King to anchor the rotation and The Prince on offense.

  21. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    People need to stop reading what idiots like Callis and Law spew out. Neither one have yet to see anything but future HOFers in the Boston system.

  22. CompassRosy April 18th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    austinmac April 18th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    “Is Ichiro just off to a slow start or is it a decline?”

    ==============================

    I suppose, being 37, you can’t rule out at least a bit of a decline…
    But, April is, historically, Ichiro’s worst month in terms of most stats.

  23. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Heathcott has the potential to be Brett Gardner with power and a real swing, guy has decent plate discipline as a 20 year old. Very toolsy.

  24. CB April 18th, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    “even though he still needs work on blocking the ball in the dirt on occassion, there’s no question about his ability to block the plate. ”

    GB7,

    He still obviously has to work on things behind the plate – but the point you bring is a really telling one.

    I think the way he plays behind the plate and blocking the plate says alot about him wanting to be a catcher and thinking of himself as a catcher.

    And that goes a long way.

  25. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Suzuki does seem to be a bit slower this spring, especially in the outfield.

  26. CompassRosy April 18th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Bronx Jeers ~

    :-)

    Do I sense an affinity for “some things Seattle”?

  27. Nick in SF April 18th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    If Buck Showalter was still in charge, this would not have happened.

  28. Nick in SF April 18th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    Send a case of Red Hook and keep Felix.

    Or vice versa.

    But not both.

  29. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    CB, I’m impressed with his not falling into the bail and wail approach. He’s taking the singles and doubles and waiting for the mistake. Very much a young Cano type hitter. Still needs the work on blocking some pitches, but, he’s a catcher in every way, just inexperienced. working with a mix of youngsters and rehabbing vets will help him.

  30. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    Chapman hitting 101, so maybe Hughes can now find his velocity again.

  31. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    montero is definately afraid of contact with base runners. That part reminds my of Ellie Howard and Munson. Seldom see a sweep tag attempt.

  32. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    The way Montero blocks the plate may say a lot about his desire to catch, but I think it says more about the foolishness of putting a premiere bat in a position where he can be injured and lose significant playing time. DH him…

  33. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    montero is definately ***not*** afraid of contact with

  34. CompassRosy April 18th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Nick ~

    ah, I see your priority :-)

    ========

    Meanwhile (since it’s a slow night here) I’ll just note that it appears Ervin had a rough night in Arlington tonight.

    tee. hee.

  35. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    I can understand the benefit of positioning Montero as a catcher to improve his value as a trading chip, but now that he is so close to the show and Posada is about to be put out to pasture, it is time to stop the risk and protect him as a bat.

    Nationals made the same decision by putting Harper in RF.

    And BTW–if anyone doubts that Cashman would prefer a $500K DH with Montero’s bat to an $7M DH with Posada’s bat and age, get ready for a big surprise this next off-season.

  36. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    They aren’t goimg to make a 21 year old a full time DH, and no, he won’t be moved to the outfield or 1st base…and trading him is beyond stupid.

  37. blake April 18th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    [Comment From BobBob: ]
    Keep one, trade one: Banuelos vs Montero
    Thursday April 14, 2011 1:08 Bob
    1:08

    Frankie Piliere:
    Keep Banuelos.

  38. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Showalter and Os are just trying to lull the AL East teams into a false sense of security.

    :-)

  39. Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Do I sense an affinity for “some things Seattle”?

    —————————————————————————————-

    Well…some things.

    Although sometimes when I’m there I feel like I’m very far from “civilization”. :smile:

  40. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Yankees won’t be able to keep Montero down there for long. He’s tearing it up right now. I don’t think they would hesitate you sit Jorge and call up Jesus.

  41. Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Why on earth would you make a catcher with Montero’s bat a permanent DH?

    Catcher is where Montero’s value is highest.

  42. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Got the Rox feed tonite.

    Lincecum no-no thru 6.

  43. blake April 18th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Lincecum has a no no through 6

  44. blake April 18th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    MTU stole my thunder :)

  45. Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    They’ll definitely hesitate to sit Posada. The guy hasn’t compiled borderline Hall of Fame numbers by accident.

  46. blake April 18th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Chapman just hit 106….I think his velocity is back.

  47. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    7k’s

  48. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
    They aren’t goimg to make a 21 year old a full time DH
    ______________
    Why not? If Martin turns out to be fully recovered and locks up the C spot, he can catch 120 games a year. Posada will be let go, and the DH slot will be the remaining slot for him.

  49. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    # Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    They’ll definitely hesitate to sit Posada. The guy hasn’t compiled borderline Hall of Fame numbers by accident.

    —————————————————

    I don’t know about that. I’m not saying they would happily push him aside but Jorge has to know his time with the team is coming to an end.

  50. AldotheApache April 18th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    “… the deep Triple A outfield …”?????

    How can that be? Didn’t I read here (I forget who) that the Yankees have no OF talent in the minors?

  51. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    # blake April 18th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Chapman just hit 106….I think his velocity is back.

    ———————————————–

    That’s scary

  52. blake April 18th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    they’ve played 14 games….Posada has 5 homers already. They’ll give him a lot of rope for the rest of his game to come around before making a move I think.

  53. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Tampa Yanks hammer Brevard County

    Sean Black was very good. The youngsters are beginning to improve after initial starts.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....a_breafa_1

  54. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    i just dont understand the short sightedness of so many yankees fans. i want montero NOW even though i dont really need him now, even though he’s not really reaady now (defensively) and even though it would likely mean he will never really have a position but i want him NOW!

  55. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Anyone know when The Prodigy has his next start ?

  56. mick April 18th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    # blake April 18th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Betsy,

    I said they didn’t play well and still almost won on the road…….
    ======================================
    Blake-
    Did you watch the entire game?
    I have to agree with Betsy on this one.
    The Knicks played great defense and although Carmelo was off, Stoudmire carried them and Turiaf played his best game of the year. The Knicks are on their way and when they get CP3 and possibly Marc Gasol they will be a better team than the Celts. They were just beaten by a better team last night but they did play well.

  57. CB April 18th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    “Chapman just hit 106….I think his velocity is back.”

    That’s good to hear. He looked awful earlier this season. Probably from over use. Even last year he struggled some in back to back appearances.

    106. Just amazing.

    It’s a real shame that baseball fans may never get to see him start. It’s cheating the game.

    He uses his entire body so well to throw the ball.

  58. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
    Why on earth would you make a catcher with Montero’s bat a permanent DH?

    Catcher is where Montero’s value is highest.
    ______________
    Numerous reasons, including:
    1) Martin is a far better catcher defensively and doesn;t give up too much offensively (he did win Silver Slugger Award IIRC). And I believe Girardi prefers a strong defensive catcher like Martin to a bat with a glove like Piazza (Montero).
    2) If Montero is a Pujols type bat that a line-up can be built around, why limit that bat through tiring it down with catching? If offense is going to be a plus, and defense a negative, eliminate the negative and just reap the benefits of the plus.
    3) Why risk injury or wear and tear to a supreme bat? Makes no sense.
    4) There is no need to play Montero at C with all the depth the team has at the position. There are better options defensively, and some of those options approach his offense.

  59. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Y’s-

    It’s not short-sighted IMO. That bat speaks very loudly.

  60. Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    # Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    I don’t know about that. I’m not saying they would happily push him aside but Jorge has to know his time with the team is coming to an end.

    ———

    Unlike the fans, the manager of this team is very loyal to his players, especially ones who helped this organization win multiple championships.

    And he has every reason to be.

    He didn’t sit Teixeira last season. Hell, the thought didn’t even enter his mind to move him out of the #3 slot.

    Girardi rode out Teixeira’s 2-month long terrible slump because he believes in track records.

    The same will apply to Posada. Bank on it.

  61. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    The trenton Colonials smack the rebellious rebels of Richmond around. Garrison was good in his start.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....x_treaax_1

  62. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    CB April 18th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
    “Chapman just hit 106….I think his velocity is back.”

    That’s good to hear. He looked awful earlier this season. Probably from over use. Even last year he struggled some in back to back appearances.

    106. Just amazing.

    It’s a real shame that baseball fans may never get to see him start. It’s cheating the game.

    He uses his entire body so well to throw the ball.
    _______________
    I’m not sure his body could withstand the innings from starting. Probably have TJ problems like Strasburg.

  63. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    i thini wieters was as highly touted as montero when he came up and look at him now. what happened?

  64. blake April 18th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    mick,

    that was my point…that they shouldn’t feel bad about losing that game.

  65. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    AldotheApache April 18th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
    “… the deep Triple A outfield …”?????

    How can that be? Didn’t I read here (I forget who) that the Yankees have no OF talent in the minors?
    ________________
    What blog posted that? That’s either ill-informed or just stupid.

  66. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    I hate to say this, but that sort of speed from Chapman reminds me of what has happened to Zumaya. Not sure an arm can hold up to that sort of speed over the years.

  67. blake April 18th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    I know….they should at least explore Chapman as a starter. It’s just too much upside not to. The real head scratcher is Feliz though….he’s got the tools to start.

  68. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Y’s-

    Wieters is Wieters. Montero is Montero.

    Bye bye no-no for Timmy.

    :(

  69. CompassRosy April 18th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Although sometimes when I’m there I feel like I’m very far from “civilization”.

    ===============================================

    Well, they don’t call it southeast Alaska for nothing :-)

    The graphic linked below illustrates very well just how far from said civilization we are (and makes me appreciate how much travel our sports teams endure).

    http://tinyurl.com/4y68qy4

    That said, I’d never live anywhere else.

  70. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
    i just dont understand the short sightedness of so many yankees fans. i want montero NOW even though i dont really need him now, even though he’s not really reaady now (defensively) and even though it would likely mean he will never really have a position but i want him NOW!
    _____________
    Not sure who you are referring to, but my position on this is I want him to DH to protect him, and then bring him up next year to replace Jorge. His position IMO should be DH. Like Billy Butler should be full time DH…

  71. Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    # BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
    Why on earth would you make a catcher with Montero’s bat a permanent DH?

    Catcher is where Montero’s value is highest.
    ______________
    Numerous reasons, including:
    1) Martin is a far better catcher defensively and doesn;t give up too much offensively (he did win Silver Slugger Award IIRC). And I believe Girardi prefers a strong defensive catcher like Martin to a bat with a glove like Piazza (Montero).
    2) If Montero is a Pujols type bat that a line-up can be built around, why limit that bat through tiring it down with catching? If offense is going to be a plus, and defense a negative, eliminate the negative and just reap the benefits of the plus.
    3) Why risk injury or wear and tear to a supreme bat? Makes no sense.
    4) There is no need to play Montero at C with all the depth the team has at the position. There are better options defensively, and some of those options approach his offense.

    ————

    By doing that, you are betting the house on Martin being the Yankee long term starting catcher after 14 games.

    That’s not smart. As Chad stated, we have no idea if Martin will be able to handle a full season yet. We all hope he can, but we won’t know for sure until he does it.

    Montero is not going to be moved from catcher unless he proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can’t be a catcher in the big leagues.

    Ask yourself this question, how many 21-25 yr old full time DHs are there in the bigs right now?

  72. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    i thini wieters was as highly touted as montero when he came up and look at him now. what happened?

    Wieters is a very good defensive catcher whose bat hasn’t caught up, but to be fair to Wieters he was 23 in AAA and managed to only out OPS Jesus by .020 (Jesus was 3 years younger at the same level). Wieters destroyed the lower minors facing kids 4-5 years younger than himself, but he actually didn’t hit as well at AAA but they called him up anyways. He did very well his first season, getting around his minor league equivalencies based on his AAA line, but took a step back in his second year. He is a switch hitter though so it might be needing to work on his swing from both sides..

    Of course Jesus has to contend with the frigid new york winters, having played his entire career in the tropical heat.

  73. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Unlike the fans, the manager of this team is very loyal to his players, especially ones who helped this organization win multiple championships.
    _____________
    The GM isn’t, and he is the guy who will decide how to spend the budget next year. Bye Jorgie.

  74. CB April 18th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    “I’m not sure his body could withstand the innings from starting. Probably have TJ problems like Strasburg.”

    Last year he had trouble maintaining his velocity when he had to appear in two games in a row.

    This season he was used 4 games out of 5 and his velocity dropped 12-14mph.

    He was a starting pitcher his entire life before he came to the US.

    I think the Reds very well may be using him in a role that is worse for his health.

    Not all guys have arms built to relieve. It’s really not good when a pitcher is put into the pen and he has significant trouble in back to back appearances.

    Relief pitchers have very high rates of burn out.

    The number of appearances during a season matter and for many pitchers the frequency of use may be a much bigger determinant of injury than the number of innings.

  75. mick April 18th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    blake

    my point is that they played well, you said they didn’t.

  76. Tar April 18th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    “Of course Jesus has to contend with the frigid new york winters, having played his entire career in the tropical heat’

    Which is one reason why he was sent to tropical Scranton to start the year.

    :D

  77. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    By doing that, you are betting the house on Martin being the Yankee long term starting catcher after 14 games.

    That’s not smart. As Chad stated, we have no idea if Martin will be able to handle a full season yet. We all hope he can, but we won’t know for sure until he does it.

    Montero is not going to be moved from catcher unless he proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can’t be a catcher in the big leagues.

    Ask yourself this question, how many 21-25 yr old full time DHs are there in the bigs right now?
    _______________
    How many elite bats come up at 21-25?

    First, as I have mentioned on a few occasions, elite bats often have their best years before 25-26. It makes no sense to delay bringing him up and getting the benefit of what may be his best years.

    Second, I’m betting that Martin, Romine, Cervelli, and eventually Sanchez can man the position–not just Martin. And by the way, Martin has shown me enough to make that bet solely on him anyway based on his history in his first two years. He obviously rededicated himself to working out, and is reaping the results.

    Third, and finally, if his bat is that good, it is stupid IMO to risk injury to him.

  78. mick April 18th, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    If Montero continues to tear it up and Martin keeps playing like he has , Montero should be the DH /BUC here next year and Posada will be gone.

    As a matter of fact, if Posada breaks down this year, Montero will, most likely be brought up to replace him, just in time for the playoffs/Series.

  79. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Send Jesus to Anarctica he’ll hit .500

  80. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Cubs and Padres scoreless into bottom of the 10th inning and Colvin knocks in the game winner for Cubbies

  81. Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    # BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Unlike the fans, the manager of this team is very loyal to his players, especially ones who helped this organization win multiple championships.
    _____________
    The GM isn’t, and he is the guy who will decide how to spend the budget next year. Bye Jorgie.

    ————

    But your issue with Posada is about THIS season. Most people already know this is very likely Posada’s last season because his contract expires.

    Don’t quite understand your glee in trying to kick Posada out the door. He deserves better than that.

  82. CB April 18th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    “i thini wieters was as highly touted as montero when he came up and look at him now. what happened?”

    Wieters was as highly touted as any prospect that’s come into the game for a good 5 year period.

    Using him as the yard stick means that ever prospect is just going to fail.

    For example, you could just as well say Wieters was as highly touted as Mike Trout and look at him now. Wieters is as highly touted as Mike Stanton look at him now, etc.

    And on the whole, Montero has demonstrated far more at a much younger age than Wieters and has a better bat. As good as he was in the minors Wieters wasn’t widely considered to be the best bat in the minors. Montero is.

    Your point is true that you can never know for certainty what the future holds for a prospect. The key thing is to evaluate talent correctly on a case by case basis and keep the right kids.

    Finally, I have no idea why people seem to feel that Russell Martin is somehow some lock for the next decade.

    He’s 28 and caught a ton of games. And on top of that he has had serious problems with his hips.

    He’s no lock to perform for the rest of this season never mind the next 3 or 5 years.

    There’s no such thing as a risk free baseball player – especially at the catcher position.

  83. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    CB April 18th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
    _______________
    And we can’t forget that his manager graduated from the Joe Torre School of Bullpen Mismanagement.

  84. mick April 18th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Martin should be signed on a year to year basis, tops a 2 year deal, with Montero in the wings.

  85. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
    # BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Unlike the fans, the manager of this team is very loyal to his players, especially ones who helped this organization win multiple championships.
    _____________
    The GM isn’t, and he is the guy who will decide how to spend the budget next year. Bye Jorgie.

    ————

    But your issue with Posada is about THIS season
    __________
    You must be confusing me with someone else. I keep saying Montero as DH NEXT season.

  86. LGY April 18th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Too many talented pitchers are getting pigeonholed into the bullpen lately.

    It’s a bad trend.

    CoughJobacough

  87. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    Unfortunately some lacking the tools upstairs can’t comprehend the difference between “deep” and “good”.

  88. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    When I say put him as DH now, I mean at SWB. I don’t want him breaking a leg or arm while blocking home plate.

  89. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    It’s a real shame that baseball fans may never get to see him start. It’s cheating the game.

    ————————————————————–

    I’ll never understand the desire to put young arms in the pen when they can be starters in the rotation. Getting their feet wet in the bigs is one thing but why paint yourself into a corner.

  90. mick April 18th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    If Posada didn’t have his 4th year, no doubt Montero would be the DH right now.

  91. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    What’s the over/under on how many games Chapman pitches before arm surgery?

  92. igotid88 April 18th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    where did you guys see that chapman reached 106? that’s crazy. i wonder how far that ball would go if contact was made.

  93. Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    # BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    How many elite bats come up at 21-25?

    First, as I have mentioned on a few occasions, elite bats often have their best years before 25-26. It makes no sense to delay bringing him up and getting the benefit of what may be his best years.

    Second, I’m betting that Martin, Romine, Cervelli, and eventually Sanchez can man the position–not just Martin. And by the way, Martin has shown me enough to make that bet solely on him anyway based on his history in his first two years. He obviously rededicated himself to working out, and is reaping the results.

    Third, and finally, if his bat is that good, it is stupid IMO to risk injury to him.

    ————–

    So you’re saying that no catcher should be an elite bat? That sounds illogical.

    Where would Mike Piazza have played if he couldn’t be a catcher? He couldn’t be a DH with the Dodgers or Mets.

    Romine and Sanchez, especially Sanchez, is too far away from the bigs to bank on him doing anything. He’s at least 3 years away.

    And Cervelli has to be a lot better than he was last season if he’s going to be in the long term mix. He was good in 2009 but took a huge dive in 2010.

  94. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    # Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    # Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    I don’t know about that. I’m not saying they would happily push him aside but Jorge has to know his time with the team is coming to an end.

    ———

    Unlike the fans, the manager of this team is very loyal to his players, especially ones who helped this organization win multiple championships.

    And he has every reason to be.

    He didn’t sit Teixeira last season. Hell, the thought didn’t even enter his mind to move him out of the #3 slot.

    Girardi rode out Teixeira’s 2-month long terrible slump because he believes in track records.

    The same will apply to Posada. Bank on it.

    ———————————————————————————-

    Well hopefully he produces this yr and goes out on a high note.

  95. blake April 18th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    Tar,

    You see that Barnes is coming back? Awesome

  96. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Tim Lincecum is too small to be a good ML pitcher.

    Right ?

    :)

  97. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Mark Prior is now pitching for Scranton

  98. CB April 18th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    “And we can’t forget that his manager graduated from the Joe Torre School of Bullpen Mismanagement.”

    But even last year only being used two days in a row he had trouble throwing the ball.

    That is not a good sign.

    Relief pitchers have very high rates of burn out.

    If a guy is having trouble maintaining his stuff two games in a row it really has to give you pause over whether or not you are potentially ruining his arm in the pen.

    It’s entirely plausible that given how hard he throws using him as a reliever where he will have such little recovery time between appearances (regardless of manager) is the worse thing possible for him.

    Again – being used 2 days in a row is a near absolute requirement for a reliever. If your stuff plays down on that second day it’s just not a good sign.

  99. Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    # BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
    # BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Unlike the fans, the manager of this team is very loyal to his players, especially ones who helped this organization win multiple championships.
    _____________
    The GM isn’t, and he is the guy who will decide how to spend the budget next year. Bye Jorgie.

    ————

    But your issue with Posada is about THIS season
    __________
    You must be confusing me with someone else. I keep saying Montero as DH NEXT season.

    ————

    You chimed in when I responded to AAO about Girardi giving Posada the benefit of the doubt THIS season.

    I don’t care about next year right now. The conversation you stuck your nose in was about 2010, so naturally, my response to you was also regarding 2010.

  100. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    well, i for one am very willing to wait even till next year if that what it takes for him to be ready to come up and be a major league catcher.

    id be really happy to see him come up right now, believe me, but i want him ready to be our catcher.

    i think Po has been a tremendous weapon all these years, and i want montero to be the same advantage.

  101. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    So you’re saying that no catcher should be an elite bat? That sounds illogical.

    Where would Mike Piazza have played if he couldn’t be a catcher? He couldn’t be a DH with the Dodgers or Mets.

    Romine and Sanchez, especially Sanchez, is too far away from the bigs to bank on him doing anything. He’s at least 3 years away.

    And Cervelli has to be a lot better than he was last season if he’s going to be in the long term mix. He was good in 2009 but took a huge dive in 2010.
    _________________
    Before you presume what I am saying, you might stop to ask me.

    I am NOT saying that a catcher can’t be an elite bat. It depends on the need for the club. Ivan R at one point became an elite bat (thanks to the miracle of modern meds)…but was such an elite defender that it made sense to play him there. If the glove is elite, the bat is a bonus…

    However, if the glove is mediocre at the most important position on the field, get a better C and move the bat. Piazza should have played 1B (Carlos Delgado) or 3B (Joe Torre), and even Dale Murphy moved to CF. Nats moved Harper to RF.

    As I said earlier, I am ready to commit Montero to Dh based on Martin alone….the other kids are just insurance, and chips to trade for another catcher should the need arise.

  102. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    You can break an arm, hand, foot or leg as a Dh while hitting too. I suppose it’s ok as long as he’s not catching.

  103. Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    The graphic linked below illustrates very well just how far from said civilization we are (and makes me appreciate how much travel our sports teams endure).

    ——————————————————

    Rosy,

    I’ve seen that map before. I guess it would be like having an East Coast team in the Caribbean. The DR is roughly the same distance from Miami as Seattle is from San Francisco.

  104. LGY April 18th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    It’s way too early to make any determinations about the catching situation long term.

    One thing is for sure though. You don’t limit your options by making the most talented catcher in the entire org, including the majors, a DH right now.

  105. Tar April 18th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    “You see that Barnes is coming back? Awesome’

    Blake

    No I didn’t see that! Wow what a shocker.

    I will be back have to read up on it.

  106. stuckey99 April 18th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Anyone see the Cubs record oddity this year?

    They’ve been

    1-1
    2-2
    3-3
    4-4
    5-5
    6-6
    7-7

    and now 8-8.

    Only one other team in history has done that.

  107. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    # LGY April 18th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Too many talented pitchers are getting pigeonholed into the bullpen lately.

    It’s a bad trend.

    CoughJobacough

    ————————————————-

    The thought process seems to be hey he throws hard as a starter why not make him a reliever. Feliz is spending another yr in the pen.

  108. Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Oops, that’s 2011. My bad. 2011 is almost 1/3 over and I’m still thinking it’s 2010.

  109. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Prior with 10 pitches. 5 strikes, two flyouts and a ground out.

  110. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
    ________________
    How much worse is a helathy Martin than Posada was? Martin was a Silver Slugger Award winner, and can hit 20 homers and steal 20 bases, and drive in 70-80 runs, plus play Gold Glove defense. Frankly, I would have taken him over Jorge and moved Jorge to DH too.

    Another thing to consider…it’s not like we have Frank Thomas as DH….but putting Montero there would give us that bat.

  111. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    I don’t care about next year right now. The conversation you stuck your nose in was about 2010, so naturally, my response to you was also regarding 2010.
    ___________
    Fine–so we understand each other better now. NP.

  112. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    i didnt say that because wieters has struggled, montero will too, but it always seems that the adjustment for a catcher is harder than any other position except pitcher. i think there is more carry over from defense to offense at the catcher position, too. learning how other ‘cant miss’ catchers stuggled could be instructive though, of course each person is an individual.

  113. CB April 18th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    I watched Martin play the past two season.

    I find it very hard to try to project what he is going to be able to provide for the rest of this season never mind long term.

    He’s a catcher who has had serious health problems with his hips. That’s not a good sign for the future.

    Let’s just see how he does the rest of this season before handing him the role of yankee catcher of the future.

    And again – I really like him as a player and was thrilled they signed him.

  114. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    “As I said earlier, I am ready to commit Montero to Dh based on Martin alone”.

    It makes no sense to make any long term projections about the catching position in the future given that Russell Martin’s history with the Yankees is 18 days old; especially given his injury history.

    Thankfully Cashman won’t do that.

  115. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    Checking the DOTF update from Rab, interesting that Romine coming off a hot end of the spring and Montero coming off a not so hot end of spring (mediots opinion not mine), Romine is currently hitting .206 and Montero .450

  116. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    CB April 18th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
    _____________
    Good comments…but I do recall several pitchers who couldn’t pitch 2 days in a row, and still found a way to contribute. It seems to me that it is really up to the manager to build a bullpen that takes advantage of the talent while recognizing the problem. IIRC, Joba in year 1 was not used 2 days in a row, Farnsy always had troubles doing it, and I seem to recall Flash Gordon had similar problems. Girardi was able to get more out of Farns at the end of his time here because (IIRC) he limited his use and had a pen deep enough to compensate.

  117. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
    “As I said earlier, I am ready to commit Montero to Dh based on Martin alone”.

    It makes no sense to make any long term projections about the catching position in the future given that Russell Martin’s history with the Yankees is 18 days old; especially given his injury history.

    Thankfully Cashman won’t do that.
    _________
    So you are changing your position on moving Montero to DH (which you have previously posted)…is that right?

    About how many hours do you think you will hold this opinion?

  118. Mike_Boston April 18th, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    # BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    When I say put him as DH now, I mean at SWB. I don’t want him breaking a leg or arm while blocking home plate.
    ——————————————-

    Do you really mean this Bojo??

  119. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    CB April 18th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
    I watched Martin play the past two season.
    ___________
    He has commented that he got away from his workout routine in the last 2 years, and didn’t take the game as seriously as he should. He rededicated himself to working out this past off-season and seems to have recovered his power.

    Time will tell, but I have a good feeling about him.

  120. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Philly imploding in the 12th.

    Ready to bite the dust.

    :)

  121. Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    # BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Before you presume what I am saying, you might stop to ask me.

    I am NOT saying that a catcher can’t be an elite bat. It depends on the need for the club. Ivan R at one point became an elite bat (thanks to the miracle of modern meds)…but was such an elite defender that it made sense to play him there. If the glove is elite, the bat is a bonus…

    However, if the glove is mediocre at the most important position on the field, get a better C and move the bat. Piazza should have played 1B (Carlos Delgado) or 3B (Joe Torre), and even Dale Murphy moved to CF. Nats moved Harper to RF.

    As I said earlier, I am ready to commit Montero to Dh based on Martin alone….the other kids are just insurance, and chips to trade for another catcher should the need arise.

    ————

    Until the Yanks signed Martin, which didn’t happen until Feb 2011, keeping Montero behind the plate WAS a long term need for the team.

    Posada was no longer able to catch and Cervelli is not an everyday catcher.

    I like Martin, too. But I’m not ready to make long term plans at the catcher position after 14 games. That’s just not smart. We have ride out the season first.

    Piazza was a better catcher than he was a first baseman. I would have to assume he’d also be a better catcher than a third baseman.

    Teixeira is an OUTSTANDING first baseman. One of the best in the game. But he’d also be the first one to tell you that he was a terrible third baseman.

    You can’t simply assume he could play any position you choose.

    Posada was an elite bat and never was a good defender behind the plate, but it didn’t seem to prohibit the Yanks winning 5 rings (4 as the starter) with him anyways.

  122. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Mike_Boston April 18th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
    # BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    When I say put him as DH now, I mean at SWB. I don’t want him breaking a leg or arm while blocking home plate.
    ——————————————-

    Do you really mean this Bojo??
    ______________
    No, I mean the other Bojo.

    ????

    What part don’t you get? I’m not sure I understand your question.

  123. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Until the Yanks signed Martin, which didn’t happen until Feb 2011, keeping Montero behind the plate WAS a long term need for the team
    _____________
    Things change. Remember Bubba Crosby?

  124. Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Can the Brewers pen blow blow 2 saves in 1 game?

    I hope not. I’d like to see the Phillie fans leave disappointed after experiencing the thrill of a 9th inning comeback.

  125. LGY April 18th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    As I said earlier, I am ready to commit Montero to Dh based on Martin alone….the other kids are just insurance, and chips to trade for another catcher should the need arise

    ——-

    You are committing to Martin based on 13 games?

  126. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Bedtime for Bojo again. Good night night people.

  127. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Even if Martin stayed healthy I’d catch Montero 60 games.

  128. BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    LGY April 18th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
    _________
    Yes–I’ve seen enough and also recall his performance before he stopped working out as much. I think he is back to All Star status.

  129. CompassRosy April 18th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    MTU April 18th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Tim Lincecum is too small to be a good ML pitcher.

    Right ?

    =======

    Don’t get me started, MTU.

    And then there was that 3-game sweep of OAK at the end of the 2008…

  130. Mike_Boston April 18th, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    No, I mean the other Bojo.

    ????

    What part don’t you get? I’m not sure I understand your question.
    ———————————————-
    I thought it was a typo or a joke because suggesting Montero be turned into a full tim DH, at age 21, in SWB could be one of the dumbest statements I’ve seen here in awhile.
    No offense…

  131. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    So you are changing your position on moving Montero to DH (which you have previously posted)…is that right?

    *****************

    Poor comprehension skills as usual. I just said and I quote,

    “It makes no sense to make any long term projections about the catching position in the future given that Russell Martin’s history with the Yankees is 18 days old; especially given his injury history.”

    Do you see anything there about Montero and what position he will eventually play? No. It was a comment about the idiocy of making any decisions about who will “catch” based on Martin’s performance for 18 days.

    If you want to pick a fight – try harder to come up with something valid.

  132. LGY April 18th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Yes–I’ve seen enough and also recall his performance before he stopped working out as much. I think he is back to All Star status.

    —–

    He didn’t stop working out as much.

    He has come to ST claiming he is in the best shape of his life the past three years. You can’t take that stuff seriously from guys like him.

  133. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Mike_Boston April 18th, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    I thought it was a typo or a joke because suggesting Montero be turned into a full time DH, at age 21, in SWB could be one of the dumbest statements I’ve seen here in awhile. No offense.

    **************

    Agreed.

  134. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Rosy-

    I have nothing but the utmost respect for you.

    Especially since you have realized the error of your ways and decided to trade Felix to the Yankees.

    Have a good night. It’s past my bedtime.

    :)

  135. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Bedtime for Bojo again. Good night night people.

    *************

    Translation. I better run before they realize that WCYF was right about me.

  136. yankeefeminista April 18th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    MTU April 18th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
    Anyone know when The Prodigy has his next start ?
    _______
    Tomorrow. There are supposed to be rain showers, so hopefully the game is played and Manuelito gets to pitch unimpeded.

  137. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    BoJo April 18th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    When I say put him as DH now, I mean at SWB. I don’t want him breaking a leg or arm while blocking home plate.

    *****************

    You can’t make this stuff up. Wow.

  138. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    YF-

    Thank you. I look forward to your report.

    Have a good evening.

    :)

  139. CompassRosy April 18th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    MTU ~

    The night is still young out here in southeast Alaska and…
    Uncle Milty just hit a 2-run homer to give the M’s the lead over the Tiggers at The Safe!

    And, I saw what you did there – I agreed to NO SUCH THING.

    Goodnight :-)

  140. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    WCYF you have previously posted in agreement with Keith Laws assertion that they should move Montero to DH, which is most likely what BoJo is referencing. Since he says previously posted and not the specific quote that you tried to flip up as proof you never said anything.

    So you’re wrong again I guess. Tried taking a shot at BoJo but just flip flopped again :(

  141. yankeefeminista April 18th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    MTU April 18th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
    YF-

    Thank you. I look forward to your report.

    Have a good evening.
    __________
    Will do. You too! :)

  142. Against All Odds April 18th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    # stuckey99 April 18th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Anyone see the Cubs record oddity this year?

    They’ve been

    1-1
    2-2
    3-3
    4-4
    5-5
    6-6
    7-7

    and now 8-8.

    Only one other team in history has done that.

    —————————————–

    The Cubs can’t catch a break there is always something weird going on

  143. Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    # Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    WCYF you have previously posted in agreement with Keith Laws assertion that they should move Montero to DH, which is most likely what BoJo is referencing. Since he says previously posted and not the specific quote that you tried to flip up as proof you never said anything.

    So you’re wrong again I guess. Tried taking a shot at BoJo but just flip flopped again :(

    ———

    Yup. He has most definitely opined that Montero should be a DH. Multiple times.

    Talk about a hypocrite.

  144. Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Shelley Duncan just doubled in a run in the top of the 10th.

    Indians 4 – Royals 3 . Go Tribe!

  145. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    hafner really having a great start to his season and now grady sizemore is back. good for them! i was really happy for the frozen, tiny crowd at the jake who got to see thier tribe win that jon lester game that ended with the suicide squeeze. real hardcore fans!

  146. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    Where on this blog did I say that Montero should not be a DH? Nowhere. Again, for the challenged, here it is again:

    “It makes no sense to make any long term projections about the catching position in the future given that Russell Martin’s history with the Yankees is 18 days old; especially given his injury history.”

    My comment was about the absurdity in deciding that Martin should be the catcher in future years after 18 days of the season. There are other catchers besides Montero, both in this organization and out.

  147. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan January 30th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    I really have to agree with Keith Law on Montero:

    “He has the arm strength to remain a catcher, but takes way too long to get rid of the ball. He’s not a bad athlete, but his bulk has always made it hard for him to get his body moving quickly the way a catcher has to move to block balls or jump out of the crouch to throwing position”.

    “There’s also a concern about the long-term effects that catching will have on Montero’s knees. He is listed at 6-foot-4, 225 pounds, and only five players in MLB history have caught 200 games at or above those numbers, three of them (Joe Mauer, Chris Snyder, and Jarrod Saltalamacchia) have had knee and/or back problems”.

    “With a bat this potentially strong, why risk injury or give up the 20-25 games a year when your catcher has to rest? Montero could solve the Yankees’ DH problem for the next 10 years if they commit to it, a move they are unlikely to ever regret”.

  148. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    …not to mention the abject absurdity of suggesting that the Yankees have Montero DH now at SWB. Whether one believes Montero should catch for the Yankees or not, he should absolutely be working on developing and improving his catching skills, if for no other reason than to improve his trade value.

  149. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Also nice freudian slip.

  150. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Jerkface thanks for finding my post, it looks pretty astute to me.

  151. Giuseppe Franco April 18th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    So what difference does it make since you and Bojo both have already projected Montero’s long term future?

    You made fun of Bojo for his reasoning (not wanting to see him get hurt) but you both have come to the same conclusion – Montero is not the future at catcher.

    At least Bojo waited 14 games to do so because of Martin’s play. You came to that conclusion in ST.

    Neither one makes any sense.

  152. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    My post was about Russell Martin not Montero. What an absolute fail on your part JF. Crash – thud.

  153. Jerkface April 18th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Neither one makes any sense.

    Yes this. You’re disagreeing with Bojo on a topic you both agree on, simply because you have a thirst to prove him wrong.

  154. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    My contention was not based on anything Russell Martin has done. That was my critique, I never mentioned Montero.

    I have always believed that tall catchers can have problems and if Montero’s bat is as good as everyone believes it is, why not take advantage of the AL DH especially if his catching skills don’t improve significantly.

  155. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

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    just shut up.

  156. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 11:47 pm

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  157. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    Ys Guy. Who is talking to you? My position is truthful and logical.

    Again, try to comprehend. I have no issue with Montero at DH. Never have. I do have an issue with someone thinking that you can decide that Russell Martin is the long term answer after 18 days given his injury history.

  158. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    No Jerkface. I DO NOT agree with him.

    - I DO NOT agree that Montero should DH at SWB.

    - I DO NOT agree that Russell Martin’s limited performance this year should have anything to do with who catches or doesn’t catch next season. How does one decide that now?

  159. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    One can have a conversation and an opinion as to whether or not Montero might be best suited to catch or DH. There are differences of opinion and reasonable cases can be made on both sides. I do not disagree with Brad of that.

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  161. AldotheApache April 19th, 2011 at 12:04 am

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    April 18, 2011 at 11:57 pm
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    ———-

    LMAO!!!!

    He’s having trouble keeping up with himself. Understandable.

  162. tyanksfan36 April 19th, 2011 at 12:11 am

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    Not sure if you’re still around, saw your response to my comment earlier, was working on a project so I missed it.

    From what I have seen so far both Black and Romanski have been locked in early in the season. Marshall just keeps improving on his starts. Haven’t seen Heredia and Ramirez I’ve seen just once. The offense came to life the past few days but Brevard isn’t really that good. They are back home from Wednesday to saturday so ill hopefully catch another go round the rotation.

  163. Giuseppe Franco April 19th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    But the irony is that WCYF probably came to his conclusion on Montero based on his “disappointing” spring training performance.

    That’s just as insane as making the same conclusion based on Martin’s 14 regular season games.

  164. West Coast Yankee Fan April 19th, 2011 at 12:27 am

    Franco you are wrong, if you look at my post that Jerkface posted above it’s dated January 30th well in advance of spring training.

    And it’s not a hard conclusion. I’ve had long discussions here about my opinions on taller catchers and the wear and tear on their legs and joints. But it’s not that important an issue to me. Yes, I do believe that if Montero is as good with the bat as projected, his production and longevity will benefit by not catching full time. And if he was a really good defensive catcher I would be more disposed to him behind the plate.

    Either way I’m sure he will wind up contributing mightily either playing for us or as a great trade chip.

  165. Vineyard Yankee April 19th, 2011 at 1:45 am

    Quite the discussion on Montero. The string should be allowed to play itself out with his further development at catcher and letting Posada play out the final year of his contract as the DH. Posada has been a great teammate and player for the Yankees.

    After this year let the cards fall where they may, maybe he will have a great year at batand get a new one yuear deal. Who know what will happen in the next 150 games.

    Typical hogwash from ‘Aldo the Idiot’ coming on here once a month to take another shot at WCY. What a poor, pathetic old cretin he is.

  166. Tar April 19th, 2011 at 7:22 am

    Good morning everybody!

    Blake

    That really is good news about Barnes. I think it says a lot about Roy, his program, and the University.

  167. blake April 19th, 2011 at 7:26 am

    Tar,

    Morning ….I had a feeling he might stay. Read a story the other day about how he’s the type of kid who would want to leave his mark…..and he’s pretty much said since he signed that he wasn’t going to be one and done. Its great news…..they should be really good next year health providing.

  168. blake April 19th, 2011 at 7:36 am

    I think the ideal situation would be that Montero continues to crush AAA pitching and Martin continues to play solid baseball and remain healthy.

    They can give Montero a call up this year at some point if its appropriate and sign Martin back next year to be the primary catcher in 2012….therefore allowing Montero to DH some and ease his way into the catching role and allow them to evaluate where he is defensively. By then hopefully they’ll have enough information to make a decision on whether he can catch longterm…..

  169. upstate kate April 19th, 2011 at 7:59 am

    Blake
    I like your ideal situation. I didn’t know what to expect from Martin, but he has been a pleasant surprise. And to me, living so close to the border, him being a French Canadian is a bonus :)

  170. MTU April 19th, 2011 at 8:06 am

    Blake-

    I agree with your plan.

    We were fortunate to get Martin.

    Let’s see if he holds up.

    I favor bringing Montero sooner rather than later especially if he is gonna rake the way he is.

    Much rather him get his feet wet at the ML level than use Cervelli.

    FWIS his D skills are gonna be a work in progress no matter how long he stays down.

    It just a question of him reaching the minimum level of competence.

    The Yankees do have an embarrasment of riches at C.

    Jesus’s bat might just earn him that promotion.

  171. MTU April 19th, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Good morning Kate.

  172. MTU April 19th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    And if they are not gonna use Nunez they ought to send him down.

    LGY was right so far. He is rotting on the bench.

  173. upstate kate April 19th, 2011 at 8:13 am

    good morning MTU

  174. Betsy April 19th, 2011 at 8:14 am

    Hi Kate!

  175. Bronx Jeers April 19th, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Eventually Jeter or Cano are going to need a break.

    Their schedule has been very east up until now. That’s about to change starting Friday when they play 133 games in 34 days followed by a west coast trip.

  176. MTU April 19th, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Kate-

    Kind of sad around here in the early AM.

    Looks like we lost Doreen.

    And haven’t seen Erica around either.

    Shenanigans have forced them to withdraw.

    I have spoken to the powers that be about it and all they can come up with are lame excuses.

    What a shame.

  177. Bronx Jeers April 19th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Very east = very easy.

    Actually the East is hard. It’s the West where things are carefree & easy. :wink:

  178. MTU April 19th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Jeers-

    Nunez has become the invisible man.

    It needs to change.

  179. MTU April 19th, 2011 at 8:19 am

    Jeers-

    I tried to snooker Rosy into trading King Felix to us but she’s too sharp and caught on to my tricks.

    :(

  180. Bronx Jeers April 19th, 2011 at 8:21 am

    I think Doreen’s on vacation isn’t she? And Erica just finished tax season.

    I hope they return to us soon. Mornings are usually safe from the evil-doers.

    MTU, What do you sleep from 9-5 ?

  181. austinmac April 19th, 2011 at 8:22 am

    MTU,

    I am glad you wore down Rosy last night. Now, Cashman needs to do the same with the Mariner’s GM. Keep working and maybe they will give up Felix in a salary dump. :)

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  183. blake April 19th, 2011 at 8:24 am

    MTU,

    I agree on Nunez and I think LGY was right as well……there is something to be said for taking the best 25 north but he’s just not playing at all. He’s a good prospect…..if they hadn’t signed Chavez then it would have made more sense to keep him but he needs to play every day if he’s not going to be able to.contribute.

  184. Bronx Jeers April 19th, 2011 at 8:25 am

    I tried to snooker Rosy into trading King Felix to us but she’s too sharp and caught on to my tricks.

    ————————————————————–

    I caught that last night. That’s OK though. I tried to get her to throw in some North-Pacific fish and the Space Needle. (I think the Statue of Liberty may be tired of working alone)

    Gotta go to the gym and fight the battle of the bulge.

  185. MTU April 19th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Jeers-

    Nope. Wish it were as simple as that.

    She was forced off the board when personal info. was posted here, and she was also threatened. Her e-mail account was hacked.

    I really miss her input.

    She knows her baseball.

    She really loved this blog.

    Super classy lady.

    Erica has met a similar fate I think.

    Those types of things should never be allowed to happen.

    Responsibility should be taken and something should be done about it.

  186. blake April 19th, 2011 at 8:27 am

    Cano is going to play nearly every day. He’s young and right at the start of his prime…..Jeter will get a day here and there but Im not sure its worth keeping Nunez around to play SS once or twice a month.

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  188. blake April 19th, 2011 at 8:27 am

    I also miss Doreen…..hope she can return at some point.

  189. MTU April 19th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Blake-

    I would love to see it but I doubt she will.

    This place just isn’t the same w/o her.

    A freakin’ pity.

  190. MTU April 19th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Austin-

    I will do my best to hound her.

    :)

  191. Betsy April 19th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    Kate, I’m avoiding Disney Hollywood Studios completely on Friday- and I don’t think (though it can change) that I’ll make it over there on Saturday, my departure day (I’m definitely going to Magic Kingdom, maybe Epcot). I do like Star Wars a lot, but I’m not a fanatic. At least the new Star Tours ride (2nd version) is reopening about a week before I get down there, so I’m lucky to have the chance to ride it.

  192. Betsy April 19th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    I’ve had my personal info posted as well, but I have not wanted to spark any confrontations with that guy…….that’s why I haven’t said anything.

  193. MTU April 19th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Betsy-

    Have a great time, and good luck with getting a new vehicle.

  194. Betsy April 19th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    MTU, thanks! I might not be getting a new car…………just yet. If I have to, I can’t say that I’ll be celebrating it – my feelings on the matter will be quite muted

  195. MTU April 19th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Can’t understand why anyone would have it in for Doreen.

    She is such a nice person.

    Giving and considerate.

    It boggles the mind.

  196. MTU April 19th, 2011 at 8:45 am

    betsy-

    If I can afford it I usually look forward to getting a new car.

  197. MTU April 19th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    Especially now when there are so many great deals to be had.

    It would be a blast to shop for a house too.

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    (Add me to the list of those that miss the morning crew dearly)

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