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Turning back the clock at Yankee Stadium

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 18, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

I’ve written this more times than I care to count: The moment Cliff Lee signed with Philadelphia, the Yankees offseason went down the tubes. There was one player on the market who perfectly fit the Yankees greatest offseason need, and when he went somewhere else, there was no perfect replacement. The biggest names still on the board didn’t really fit this roster, and Brian Cashman didn’t find a trade he liked.

Cashman signed Russell Martin, Pedro Feliciano and Andruw Jones to fill immediate needs, and ownership dumped closer money on Rafael Soriano. The rest of the Yankees offseason was spent on minor league deals with players well past their prime. It was a strategy that was mocked — to put it nicely — but it’s worked out so far.

“One thing to remember is that all of these players were stars,” Billy Eppler told Joel Sherman. “If you are going to do a reclamation project then do it with these types of players because if there is still something there and it comes out, you are getting all or a big part of a star.”

Eric Chavez, Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia have been immediate contributors. It remains to be seen whether they can stay healthy and productive, but they’ve shown enough to suggest there’s still something left in the tank. For low-risk signings, they’ve been better than expected.

Luis Ayala was a surprise addition to the Opening Day roster, and he pitched well as a mopup man. Gustavo Molina went from a zero-chance veteran catcher to a emergency option after injury and disappointment. Mark Prior didn’t make the big league roster, but he’s been promoted to Triple-A and looks shockingly like he might be a legitimate big league option at some point.

Neal Cotts was released after his physical sent up some red flags, Ronnie Belliard was released after it became clear he didn’t have a place with the team, and it remains to be seen whether Kevin Millwood or Carlos Silva can provide anything. At this point, though, Cashman’s low-risk moves have been worthwhile, not worth mocking.

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219 Responses to “Turning back the clock at Yankee Stadium”

  1. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 6:44 pm

    Montero, Betances, Brackman and Nova for King Felix.

    Yankees 2011 Rotation (second half)

    Sabathia
    King Felix
    Burnett
    Colon (Hughes)
    Garcia

    Yankees 2012 Rotation:

    Sabathia
    King Felix
    Burnett
    Hughes
    Banuelos

  2. Niblick April 18th, 2011 at 6:49 pm

    14 games is way too early to be patting Cashman on the bat, Chad.

    Let’s talk again in July and see how many are still contributing.

  3. blake April 18th, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    I’ve been saying this for awhile now…..if the Mariners are woefully out of it by June again I could see Felix getting moved. Again it might have to do with Jack Z’s job status and whether Felix gets fed up and decides he wants out. If he did become available and Montero had to be in the deal…..then perhaps the Yanks have a bridge to Sanchez in Martin. Just speculation.

  4. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    im just not going to speculate on a hernandez trade. first off, i dont see them trading him at all and second, if they did, it certainly wouldn be anytime before the asb, by which time the yankees will have some more answers about the players on our roster now before they’d have to assess the cost. and thirdly because the m’s would be crazy to trade him, imo.

  5. Vineyard Yankee April 18th, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    WC:

    You been nipping already ? A bit early don’t ya think.

  6. blake April 18th, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Im not saying I think Hernandez will be traded this year….just that I wouldn’t be that surprised if he were.

  7. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    “Yanks have a bridge to Sanchez in Martin.’
    *****

    russel martin is a mlb catcher who is 28, has a .364 obp and has already been elected to an all-star game.

    sanchez is a kid who has 75 ab’s above rookie ball.

    i wont call him a bridge to nowhere, but man that is some kind of stretch.

  8. BJK April 18th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    Chad-

    Can we adjust the outdated twitter links on right side of the page? Every time I open the page I momentarily wonder about what Gardner and Swisher’s injuries are.

  9. jackamir April 18th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Vazquez has 7 hrs and is batting .367 at SWB and had a monster spring training. Some trades can be made. We need some more over the rainbow arms for the second half of the season.

  10. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    martin’s career OPS is higher than sanchez’s a ball OPS

  11. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Vineyard, one ace won’t do lol. I like the Philly model.

  12. BJK April 18th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Speaking of Martin, they were talking about him possibly tipping pitches on MLB Satellite Radio on my drive to work today.

    They were commenting that his set-up is different on breaking balls (to defend the wild pitch) and that it was only a matter of whether opposing players on base had time to effectively relay information to the batter.

  13. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    you can bet that if that’s happening, martin has already made the adjustment and might even use it to deke hitters in toronto tomorrow, so thanks to mlb radio.

  14. jackamir April 18th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    I’m watching the Tampa vs. Chisox game and there is no audio on the White Sox feed and I like it. I could watch the Tampa feed but I chose just the crowd noise – no play by play— It’s like being there…..

  15. stuckey99 April 18th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    “14 games is way too early to be patting Cashman on the bat, Chad.”

    Is it also to early to be criticizing him too, or is it a one way street?

  16. blake April 18th, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    Y’s,

    Its a best case scenario if Montero were traded…..that’s all, we are talking about hypotheticals not absolutes.

  17. blake April 18th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Lol….how many game has Sanchez played in A ball again? Let’s not quote his OPS in A ball after a week.

  18. BJK April 18th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
    you can bet that if that’s happening, martin has already made the adjustment and might even use it to deke hitters in toronto tomorrow, so thanks to mlb radio.

    ————————————————————————————————

    Let’s hope they are listeners. But may not be as simple as that. Some old habits die hard.

    It’ll be an interesting thing to watch for. Apparently his rear higher in the air means breaking ball on the way.

  19. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    its dollar dog night in philly. the yankees might catch a whiff of this and decide discounts are the way to go and announce a $5 soda night… :)

  20. blake April 18th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    Sanchez has played 5 games in A ball.

  21. YankeesNmore April 18th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    Niblick April 18th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
    14 games is way too early to be patting Cashman on the bat, Chad.

    Let’s talk again in July and see how many are still contributing.
    —————————————————————–
    Amen to that!

    And, as I have said many times before, my issue is NOT that Lee signed elsewhere… My issue is that Cashman, with all the Yankees’ resources at his disposal, ALLOWED the Yankees to get in a position where one decision from ANY player could destroy their offseason.

    And I’m not so sure Cashman didn’t so this on purpose, by the way. There are reports out there that the Yankees’ offer actually proved to be THIRD best.

    I think Cashman has a very strong desire to show the world how smart he is, and that he can win by building through the system.

    Here’s my thesis on Cashman and why the timeline has played out the way it has…

    2008: Cashman tried to win with system guys when he believed Hughes and Kennedy were ready to make him look like a genius. Instead, they made him look like a fool and the Yankees missed the postseason entirely.

    Winter 2008/2009 season: With his but in a wringer after missing the postseason, Cashman can’t mess around. He is SO desperate to sign CC Sabathia, that he adds $21 million to his already MUCH-the-best offer. Consider the difference between the approach to CC and the approach to Cliff Lee. Cashman also signs AJ Burnett to a massive contract, and then begs the Steinbrenners for the money to sign Teixeira, as well.

    Again, Cashman was on the hot seat after missing the postseason. He could not take chances. The Yankees win the Series, affording Cashman some slack.

    Winter 2009/2010 season: Cashman, with his increased breathing room, lets Johnny Damon walk, lets Hideki Matsui walk, and signs nobody of any significance. The Yankees make it to the ALCS, but are dominated almost from start to finish by the Rangers.

    Winter 2010/early 2011 season: Cashman “tries” to sign Cliff Lee, but he’s not truly desperate as was when CC was out there. So Cashman sticks firmly to his guns, throws out an offer, and will only sign Lee if it comes on Cashman’s terms. It doesn’t. Then Andy Pettitte retires, which complicates the issue.

    Cashman has been preaching “patience” since Lee went to Philly, but the truth is, he still wants to prove he win without writing a massive check to do it. So we sit here, still waiting for Phil Hughes to be something REMOTELY close to what the Yankees have been promising for 4+ years now, and for Ivan Nova to be something REMOTELY close to a guy worthy of being a Cliff Lee deal-breaker.

    We also sit here hoping that all this awesome pitching depth we’ve been hearing about doesn’t completely flame out like the last batch did.

    Remember how great Horne, Marquez, Ohlendorf, Melancon, Sanchez, McCutchen and Kontos were gonna be??? Now you can find their pictures on the back of a milk carton.

  22. jackamir April 18th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Sam Fuld has become a present day legend in Tampa.

  23. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    dude, im not knocking sanchez, but c’mon this is a kid who might not even make it in a ball, let alone aa and someone is calling russel martin, and all star major leaguer a ‘bridge’ to that kid.

    i hope he turns out great, but to suggest that russel martin is keeping his seat warm is ludicous.

  24. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    ynm, so much wasted blather that nobody will read. and thats just here in the comments section, let alone his stupid blog.

    i will say one thing, he is the original yankees troll

  25. blake April 18th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    “i hope he turns out great, but to suggest that russel martin is keeping his seat warm is ludicous.”

    It’s hypothetical conversation. There is a good chance Montero will stay and be the catcher anyway. Sanchez won’t be ready for 3 or 4 years even if he does pan out so the 28 year old Martin would be around 32 by then…..

    re Sanchez: he’s a top 50 prospect on most boards as an 18 year old….there is reason to be optimistic about him.

  26. RhapsodyInBlue April 18th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    YankeesNbore

    No one cares.

  27. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    i could really use a big base knock here out of ibanez

  28. Vineyard Yankee April 18th, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Vineyard, one ace won’t do lol. I like the Philly model.

    ==============

    Yes sir, minus of course that piss ant hic Lee. I wouldn’t want him if he pitched for free.

  29. blake April 18th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    All I’m saying is that if they did trade Montero then Martin could give them a good option until the next catcher comes along……if it were Sanchez (hypothetically) then the Yankees could have Martin during his prime years (28-32) and then turn things over to the next guy.

  30. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    blake, my man, im with you all the way. i hope im seeing sanchez in trenton next year, or even maybe august of this year.

  31. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    but all im saying is we have a catcher now who’s better than either montero or sanchez is likely to turn out.

  32. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    thanks for trying raul…

  33. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Blake-

    For the right person Montero can be made available.

    We are loaded at catcher as you point out.

    Romine is no slouch either.

  34. blake April 18th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    “but all im saying is we have a catcher now who’s better than either montero or sanchez is likely to turn out.”

    that’s on a small sample of games and assuming Martin’s health can hold up…..love what’s he’s doing so far and if he keeps it up he could become a long term option at his age, but that doesn’t wipe away the upside that Montero has with the bat. Best case….they all play great and the Yank’s cup overflows with good catchers and they have to decide which to go with.

  35. G-C April 18th, 2011 at 7:34 pm

    Not to sound like Nostradamus, but I was ridiculed when I advocated trading for Roy Oswalt at the deadline last year over Lee. Apparently I was “an irrational Lee hater,” which is fine. I don’t personally think that Cliff Lee is good or significant enough to be worthy of any kind of negative attention in the first place.

    I was pretty pleased when Cashman “struck out” on him this offseason. And right now we’re looking at a team that’s 9-5 and in first place despite getting absolutely nothing out of their real # 2 starter and a guy who I suspect Cashman believed could challenge Sabathia in terms of being the most valuable pitcher on the staff this year.

    Can’t we just enjoy it?

  36. austinmac April 18th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Vazquez is starting to make a believer out of me. I had assumed, considering his age, he was a AAAA player. I wish I knew how to use him as something other than insurance for an injury.

  37. blake April 18th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    MTU,

    I think that was my point…..if Martin keeps this up and can stay healthy then it would potentially lessen the hit if the Yanks did end up trading Montero.

  38. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    The one I regret is not getting Haren.

  39. blake April 18th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    “I wish I knew how to use him as something other than insurance for an injury.”

    as a piece to get a pitcher.

  40. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Blake-

    Agreed. But only for a top talent.

  41. YankeesNmore April 18th, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
    ynm, so much wasted blather that nobody will read. and thats just here in the comments section, let alone his stupid blog.

    i will say one thing, he is the original yankees troll
    ———————————————————————–
    Always a mistake when somebody attempts to speak for EVERYBODY or assume EVERYBODY must feel and see things the same way you do.

    It’s also the reason so many get so easily upset by comments on public message boards and start throwing around words like “troll.”

    But at the end of the day, when the message can’t be attacked, the messenger is the one who takes the fire. No problem. Comes with the territory.

  42. blake April 18th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    “The one I regret is not getting Haren.”

    In hindsight this does seem like the biggest mistake…..he’s mowing right now and the price tag was relatively low. I was an advocate of making the deal…..but we never have heard exactly what the D’backs wanted from the Yanks.

  43. m1kew April 18th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    fyi – Your constant negativity has convinced me delete your url from my favorites list.

  44. blake April 18th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    “Always a mistake when somebody attempts to speak for EVERYBODY or assume EVERYBODY must feel and see things the same way you do.”

    nah he’s right….nobody cares.

  45. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 7:39 pm

    cg, oswalt comes with significant injury risk a degenerative hip i believe and other issues. he went on the dl yesterday.

  46. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Blake-

    Yeah. 20/20 hindsight is perfect vision.

    At the time AP was thought to be returning, etc.

    ;)

  47. m1kew April 18th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    That message was for “YankeesNmore”.

  48. blake April 18th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    MTU,

    I do think the Yanks put a lot of eggs in the Cliff Lee basket…..it could have worked out but it didn’t. What I wish is that Soriano’s salary was paying Matt Holliday right now.

  49. YankeesNmore April 18th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    m1kew April 18th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
    fyi – Your constant negativity has convinced me delete your url from my favorites list.
    ———————————————————————
    No worries. The list of people who can’t handle the truth is long. Enjoy the season.

  50. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    Blake-

    More 20/20 hindsight for sure. You knew where I stood.

  51. pat April 18th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    swbyankeesTT Jorge Vazquez walked. Homer, double, walk. Everyone is happy. Traditionalists. Stat geeks. Everybody. Merry Christmas.

    :smile:

  52. blake April 18th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Montero is 2-3 on the day so far….hitting a cool .439.

  53. Irreverent Discourse April 18th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    The list of people who can’t handle the truth is long

    The list of people that get their truth from you is not.

  54. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Blake-

    A branding iron is cooler.

    ;)

  55. ron April 18th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    http://sports.yahoo.com/fantas.....ers_041511

    Very interesting article about fastball velocity,lincecum,weaver,etc… 2010 fb velo compared to their 2011 fb velo,% of swing & miss & the writer saying that if a pitcher loses 2 mph on their fb from the previous year is probably hurt.

    Have a look.

  56. ron April 18th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Cashman himself said they put all their eggs in the lee basket or most of them,too many,something along similar lines.

    He said a lot of pitchers came off the boad while waiting on lee.

  57. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    ok ynm ill engage you for just a moment. you come here every day and never say one good word about the yankees or cashman. never one.

    do you think you really have any credibility? this is a yankees blog so if you never have anything good to say,why do you expect people to listen to you? do you really not have any positive thoughts about the yankees? why dont you at least try to say something nice for once. a fan would have to be a masochist to want to go to a blog where the writer NEVER says anything goood about the team.

    i would give your blog a chance if there were any reason to based on your comments here, but there just isnt any. on top of that, since you claim to be a yankees fan, and im sure you must have something good to say on that whole blog about them, then your constant negativity here comes off as just an atttempt to get people to notice you and hope that you can steal blog hits from a real yankees blog, just out of curiosity, which im sure you do,but its obvious none of them ever come back.

    i get that going negative can produce hits but you have to have some balance or else you are nothing but a whiner troll. which is what you are on this blog.

    even francessa throws the jets a bone once in a while as he scores ratings points by pissing jets fans off.

    im sure if you go to all the bother you do to maintain a yankees blog, youmust have some positive thoughts about the yankees, but you NEVER post anything here that is positive, or its just buried in an overall negative post, and the result is what happens here, nobody reads your comments, let alone your blog.

    sorry dude, you are a loser troll until you show people otherwise.

  58. Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    14 games is way too early to be patting Cashman on the bat, Chad.

    ————————————————————–

    Chad’s own words:

    Eric Chavez, Bartolo Colon and Freddy Garcia have been immediate contributors. It remains to be seen whether they can stay healthy and productive,…

    Reading is fun for mentals

  59. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    After that brutal first inning for Brackmam, he has allowed 0 runs, 2 singles and one walk. He’s through 5 innings on 86 pitches. 30 pitches in the 1st inning

  60. austinmac April 18th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    I do see a serious rotation hole without an effective Hughes at the two or three spot. I felt even before that they needed a top flight starter. Their ERA is well below league average, and it is very tough to hit enough and have enough bullpen to survive. You have to win your fair share of low scoring games.

    My hope is the White Sox will look at Boras as Danks agent, and be willing to move him if they stay at or below .500. It is probably wishful thinking, but hope springs eternal.

  61. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    What Lee did was not probable.

    It was unlikely IMO.

    It was the low percentage bet.

    Who would have thought that Lee wouldn’t want to be reunited with
    his old buddy CC ?

    Kind of surprising to say the least.

    Sometimes the unexpected happens.

  62. CompassRosy April 18th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 7:07 pm….

    Vineyard, one ace won’t do lol. I like the Philly model.

    ____

    Me too.
    Hence my interjection into the conversation a couple days ago…
    http://tinyurl.com/3o686le

    (April 16th at 8:09pm – in case the link doesn’t work)

  63. Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Sometimes the unexpected happens.

    —————————————-

    And sometimes your wife beats the crap out of you with a shoe if you try and tell her you’re going to do something she doesn’t want you to do. :wink:

  64. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    im not happy that we didnt get lee, but i am convinced that long-term we are better off. that was an insane contract in its own right, but for a team that already has arod, tex, jeter, and cc signed for big money into their late 30′s it would have been even worse. add in the back issue and you have a recipe for disaster in the long-term.

  65. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Jeers-

    That’s the opposite- the expected.

    Behave yourself and that won’t happen.

    :)

  66. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Rosy-

    We have a few players we could trade to you to aid your sagging offense.

    And you’d still have Pineda.

    All you have to do is surrender the King.

    ;)

  67. Bronx Jeers April 18th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    But misbehaving is so much fun.

    Lee’s just whipped. :lol:

  68. Betsy April 18th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Blake, disagree. The Knicks played very well – and yes, I take something from the loss. I do not hold the team to the same standards as I’d hold a team that’s expected to contend. This team has made enormous strides this year and if they just are competitive with the Celtics this series, that’s all that matters to me. I get that a loss is still a loss, but this season has been all about progress and building towards the future, so in that regard, it’s all good.

  69. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Jeers-

    Maybe they got that story wrong and Lee’s wife just spits on him.

    ;)

  70. CompassRosy April 18th, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    “sagging offense” … now there’s an understatement.

    Sorry, MTU ~
    No can do. I want (and the M’s NEED) them both.

    The King and The Prince shall not be separated.
    Jack Z will just have to find other ways to upgrade the offense…

  71. Betsy April 18th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    Sanchez is too far away to even be considered as the next big thing if we trade Montero. Too much can happen – as we’ve seen with so many prospects. I don’t know why everyone thinks Montero is going to be traded anyway.

    Cashman assuming anything with Lee was ridiculous- and arrogant. He should have made the Haren deal – even if Lee signed and there was a surplus, he could have traded Haren. What was he afraid of giving up? Joba – a reliever in the Yankees’ eyes? Nova – a very nice young prospect, but not a stud? Robertson – a reliever?

  72. blake April 18th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    “Jack Z will just have to find other ways to upgrade the offense”

    flaxseed oil and B-12 shots?

  73. blake April 18th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Betsy,

    isn’t that what I said about the Knicks ;)

  74. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Rosy-

    I have offered you an excellent way.

    It’s the best you’re gonna get.

    I advise you to take it.

    W/O an offense you can’t hold the King anyway.

    The King will become restless, and want to move to a foreign land
    in NY to be with his boyhood idol.

    It magnetism. gravity. The force will become irresistable.

    Take the offer while you can.

    :)

  75. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    one more thing about your attitued ynm, a regular troll gets his kicks out of pissing people off, where as you try to piss people off for profit from your blog, so while other trolls are just annoying you are a wh*re troll.

  76. blake April 18th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    “I don’t know why everyone thinks Montero is going to be traded anyway.”

    I don’t necessarily….just speculating if he was.

  77. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Blake-

    :)

    Lot’s of Starbucks and artificial sunshine.

  78. blake April 18th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    MTU,

    they’ll need more than that ;)

  79. Betsy April 18th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Blake, no – you said there were no moral victories and they didn’t play that well last night.

  80. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Montero with his 3rd hit of the night.

    He’s en fuego.

    Forget it Rosy. I withdraw my offer. Keep the King.

  81. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    Montero is now 3-4 with a broken bat line single to center. 5 times this year with a 3 hit game. .452

  82. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    has anyone seen montero catch so far? heard anything about his progress behind the plate? i think thats the only thing keeping him off the yankees.

  83. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    GB-

    Looks like the cork is about to pop out of that bottle.

    MLB here he comes. He’s forcing the issue.

  84. CompassRosy April 18th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
    “Take the offer while you can.”
    ______

    Thanks, but no thanks.
    I’ll keep him for at least a couple more of the 3+ left on his current deal. By then, we should have had a couple of good drafts, gauged who on the farm is/will be contributing and salary should be freed up.

    IOW ~ I’m in no hurry.
    I can wait another couple of years to get it done right and for the long term.

    quittin’ time, train to catch….

  85. Betsy April 18th, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    MTU, what’s he going to do? Be the backup catcher? When Po isn’t the DH, Chavez should be. Let him stay down there and get more experience catching

  86. 108 stitches April 18th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Too many things can happen between now and the 7/31 trading deadline. At least the Yankees have options and trading chips to use if the need to fill any holes is required.

  87. blake April 18th, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    Betsy,

    I said they didn’t play well and still almost won on the road…….

  88. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Betsy-

    The bat is just too good. He’ll be fine as the BU, and some DH’ing.

  89. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    MTU, until somebody gets hurt or traded, there’s just no spot for him to play right now. Gotta love a youngster with that sort of power that doesn’t try to jerk every pitch out of the park. If they go out, they go out.

  90. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Rosy-

    Mistake.

    :)

  91. BD (Boston Dave) April 18th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    would you trade Jason Heyward for Felix?

    Would you trade Heyward AND a few top prospects for Felix?

    I’m thinking the Yanks should keep their prized bat :)

    Hughes will be fine and the Yanks will be able to find another starter at the trade deadline without giving up the farm.

  92. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    GB-

    Forget Cervelli. He’ll learn plenty as a BU in the majors.

    He’ll beat the arb clock soon. Bring him up. He’s made the case.

  93. CB April 18th, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    I was extremely happy that the Yanks were able to sign Martin in the off season. I liked him a lot as a ball player and just felt that he really had been over used with the dodgers.

    I didn’t think he’d sign with the yanks though as Boston’s need and ability to offer playing time for a catcher were just so great. When he was signed I thought it was a terrific move.

    He’s gotten off to a great start. And while he is very hot right now, he’s a quality talent who has significant ability – he’s an all star caliber talent at catcher if he’s right and having a good season.

    All that said – there is almost no comparison in talent between Russell Martin and Jesus Montero.

    Motero’s talent with the bat dwarf’s Martin’s.

    The best swings in the Yankees entire organization right now are Alex, Robbi and Montero in that order (though if you wanted to flip one and two you could).

    Montero is that good.

    Russell Martin could be an all start this season. He’s still not a player that you change what you want to do with Montero for.

    That’s not to say there won’t be a deal in which you want to package Montero. But the reason for doing that deal isn’t because you have Martin – it’s because you really want that other player.

    Montero has an unbelievable swing folks. It’s just unreal. Sure that’s not a guarantee of anything but given that swing and his production at his age – it’s as high a probability for finding a bat to build your franchise around as you are going to find in a kid.

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    I certainly respect and understand your desire to keep a great pitcher, but I think the team must see what they can get for Felix. The team’s offense is pretty staggering. They need to rebuild and that isn’t done without either a very strong minor league system or trading quality.

    Many teams prosper if they make smart trades for their stars. The Mariners could probably get the best package any teams has gotten for many years. I don’t see how they can’t, at least, consider a trade.

  95. Betsy April 18th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Blake, ok………we can agree to disagree.

    MTU, I’d rather see Chavez get the playing time, to be honest.

  96. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Dave-

    Felix is the best young pitcher in the game.

    Let’s remember that.

    He’s what you dream one of your best prospects becomes.

  97. RMS April 18th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Montero is a young kid. He should not be a bu catcher, rotting on the bench. Let him stay in the minors and catch every day.

  98. Betsy April 18th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Much as I love Robbi, he’s not Alex and never will be.

    I wouldn’t trade Montero for anyone, but I’m in no rush to see him up here either.

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  101. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Brackman gets the 6-4 win for scranton. 2nd game starts in 30 minutes.

    Here’s the box score.

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  102. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    RMS-

    Whenever Montero comes up he will be no more than a BU catcher with Martin in the picture.

    IMO that’s not a good argument.

    Let’s have him. Now. He’s way better than Cervelli.

  103. YsGuy April 18th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    when i see cant miss catchers like wieters and saltalamaccia, i have doubts about montero. i keep hearing that wieters struggles behind the plate and that carries over to his offense, i worry that the rush to get jesus here among some people will cause the same type of problems.

    add to that, we have an excellent catcher, and jones and chavez on the bench, cervelli about to come back, and i just dont see the positive of having his bat on the bench being worth the possibility that he never makes it as a catcher and struggles with the bat.

    im not against montero at all, but i want him to stay in scranton until he’s ready to be an mlb catcher. and it seems obvious that the yankees dont think he is near there yet.

  104. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    The only way to keep a player with a bad back like Chavez healthy is to limit his play to a couple of times a week. That’s a lot of torque on the back.

  105. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Y’s

    The way he is hitting that opinion could change in a microsecond.

    ;)

  106. RMS April 18th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    “He’s way better than Cervelli.”

    As a hitter, yes, but not as a catcher. And the Yankees have plenty of hitting.

  107. RadioKev April 18th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    It’s going to be bitter sweet when eventually we do pull the trigger with our prospects. It’ll happen, it just a matter of who and when.

  108. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    RMS-

    The more the better.

    You can’t keep a bat like that down.

    He’ll do fine as a BU catcher.

  109. West Coast Yankee Fan April 18th, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Rosy – Seattle can’t compete, you know that. You can’t win with one great pitcher. If you can get a decent 4-1 you take it and try to build a “team” that can compete.

    Reality.

  110. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    If Jesus is gonna hit .400 at AAA I’ll take his .300 at the ML level.

    :)

  111. RMS April 18th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    MTU

    How is he going to get experience and learn when he is a bu catcher? Again, he is a young kid and doesn’t need to be sitting on the bench.

  112. GreenBeret7 April 18th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    CB, not sure how much you’ve seen Montero catch this year, but, even though he still needs work on blocking the ball in the dirt on occassion, there’s no question about his ability to block the plate. in 3 of the games I’ve seen, he’s dove head first into the runner’s feet trying to score and 3 times, he’s gotten the throw in time to throw up a road block by getting on both knees and stop the runners cold, trying to score. The runner hits him and just stops dead. Few will move him off of the plate. I’m sure that Miley and the yankees cringe every time he does that.

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    If you were Andrew Friedman would you make that trade? I think Vazquez immediatley makes the Rays roster whereas Torres would not make the Yankees roster immediately. At first glance it seems the Yankees are giving more than they are getting but Torres, a lefty, misses a lot of bats and has a chance to be a long term contributor. And I think Vazquez will remain blocked by better players on the Yankee roster. (My thoughts only.)

    Each team gives up and gets something of value filling a need … but would they be willing to help a divisional rival? Just curious as to your thoughts. – Thanks.

  114. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    RMS-

    Tony Pena, Joe Girardi, and Jorge Posada might have something to say about that.

    Plus he will catch at least twice per 5 and DH too.

    He’ll get plenty of experience.

    He isn’t awful. ML time is better than MiLB time.

    If they wait they wait but he is forcing the issue with his bat.

  115. Chad Jennings April 18th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    14 games is way too early to be patting Cashman on the bat, Chad.

    Let’s talk again in July and see how many are still contributing.

    Here’s the thing… Fourteen games is too early for anything. It’s too early to say Alex Rodriguez is going to win the MVP, it’s too early to say Eric Chavez and Russell Martin can stay healthy, it’s too early to say CC Sabathia is doomed to a bad-luck season, it’s too early to say the Red Sox are the biggest disappointment in the American League, it’s too early to Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon are contributors, it’s too early to say Jesus Montero is going hit his way to New York and it’s too early to say Brian Cashman had a good, bad or indifferent offseason.

    Here’s the other thing… Fourteen games is all we have. I said in the post that it’s too early to say whether this sort of production can continue from these players, but right now, all we have are 14 games, and through 14 games these guys have been pretty good. That’s not a bad thing for the Yankees. In the end it might not be a especially good thing, but for now it’s a pretty good thing.

  116. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

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  117. RMS April 18th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    MTU

    We’ll just have to agree to disagree about Montero.

  118. MTU April 18th, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    RMS-

    No problem.

    The Yankees are ones who will decide anyway.

    :)

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