No A-Rod for Toronto opener
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Darn.
Hope Alex is back tomorrow and it’s nothing prolonging.
no A-rod? Who is going to yell “HA” while rounding the bases?
Much prefer NO JETER!
Hopefully they are just abiding by Girardi’s “give them one extra day ” rule
So much for playing 150+ games this year….
Kate,
Read my email that I sent a little bit ago.
A good pitcher stops home runs and runs must be scored in other ways
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I dunno if this is true. Sometimes you only get 1 good swing off a good pitcher. Look at the playoffs. Halladay got sunk by some timely Ross-bombs.
We should expect to see A-Rod sit tomorrow as well so he’ll have four days to heal up.
Hopefully, he’ll be ready to go on Friday.
We have the luxury of being able to give Alex the time he needs.
Chavez has been a godsend so far.
Why does everyone think a good pitcher is going to let a team knock together a bunch of basehits?
They wouldn’t be very good then, would they?
Damn turf.
austinmac – While usually I take your approach to trolls its very hard to just sit here and ignore it when the guy is mocking someone’s death. That’s just so far over the line, it had to be addressed.
WYCF,
Alex could DH you know. I don’t think it is just the turf.
I didn’t get it SAS, can you re-send please
What’s nice is, this year it’s not a bad dropoff with A-Rod out.
Later folks, enjoy the game.
Shame, Al,
The comments have been removed.
Anyone who has ever played a sport in their life knows that actually playing that game everyday best prepares them to ya know play the sport everyday.
There is no substitute for live in game action. There is no substitute for facing live pitching. There is a reason players go on rehab assignments before coming back to the bigs.
That you need “evidence” that playing everyday better prepares you to play everyday than sitting on a bench for weeks at a time is ridiculous.
Good grief stuckey.
“Their offense is streaky being overly dependent upon the home run.”
“Can they survive a LF hitting under .200? Perhaps.”
Do you think Gardner is going to hit under .200 all year?
“Are you saying they should just be content to have, at this point, probably the least productive LF in baseball?”
No, I’m saying Bret Gardner has 43 ABs this season and should be given more to see if he can at least approximate his production that made him one of the most productive LF’s in baseball.
People are being very impatient with him because his start is playing into what some people haven’t stop fearing,
“This team needs all the offense it can get with it’s team ERA where it is and will likely continue to be.”
Why is that likely?
You think Yankees are going to run out someone who’s been as bad as Hughes as been every 5 days all year?
You don’t think Nova will get better?
I think the current issue with A-Rod (the oblique) is more about his swing than playing defense on the turf.
SAS, I’m glad they’ve been removed, but we all saw them. Disgusting.
“That you need “evidence” that playing everyday better prepares you to play everyday than sitting on a bench for weeks at a time is ridiculous.”
Then the evidence should be very easy to find.
Solidify the stupidity of my question empirically.
Having Chavy as the back-up to ARod is wonderful.
No more Kevin Russo or Pena or Wilson Betemit.
Give ARod the time he needs to heal and keep him off the turf for the next couple days.
Why does everyone think a good pitcher is going to let a team knock together a bunch of basehits
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Long should teach them to make worse contact on pitches to please Yankee fans.
For those who want Gardner benched, what is your alternative option?
Jones isn’t an everyday player anymore and guys like Dickerson and Golson are fine defenders but can’t hit major league pitching consistently.
“I am concerned about our rotation but I don’t think you share that concern ?”
Depends on what you mean?
Am I concerned the rotation is going to be too much for the overall talent level of the team to compensate for.
No. I believe the Yankees are perfectly capable of succeeding for the remainder of the year at the approximate level they’ve succeeded at the start of the year, which is good enough to make the postseason.
“Again, I confess to a certain fondness for an excellent Pitching staff.”
As do I.
But they’ll still make the PS with the one they have.
I’m not opposed to them making it better with astute transactions.
# tomingeorgia April 19th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
SAS, I’m glad they’ve been removed, but we all saw them. Disgusting.
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AHgreed. I’m wondering if I should email Chad that the uber-troll has my first name lol.. I’d like to taunt him more but I’m assuming if I do all my personal info will be splattered across the blog. Then again.. I’ve always wanted to host a LoHud house party..
Tom-
Whoopee.
I think that’s the point. They should never have made it on in the first place.
Well hit me over the head with a feather.
Get these guys some Cialis.
Impotent response.
Jeff Marx. Where are you ? You’re responsible for preventing these things.
Find a way.
That is still a very strong lineup against a rhp. Girardi has the touch that means so much. Lets go Knicks & Yanks. Tough TV matchup—– A lot of remote previous button.
SAS, he’s got mine, too, and even where I live, at least the state. I’d suppose I should be more careful.
Stuckey-
I think we agree but it needs to be upgraded to handle the Playoffs
assuming they do get there.
Of course, Hughes most likely will be back well before then, and hopefully throwing to his capabilities.
I think things will be re-evaluated at the TD. Moves made then if needed.
“No more Kevin Russo or Pena or Wilson Betemit.”
Wilson Betemit had an .889 OPS in 315 PAs last year, and has a .987 OPS in his first 46 PAs this year. Goes to show timing is all in life,
If Arod doesn’t play until Friday it’s 5 days off not 4.
Sunday 1
Monday 2
Tuesday 3
Wednesday 4
Thursday 5
If this were the playoffs Alex would be in thge lineup but there’s no reason to push the envelope.
A-Rod played Sunday. He left in the 7th inning or the like. Four days.
“I think we agree but it needs to be upgraded to handle the Playoffs assuming they do get there.”
MTU,
Don’t disagree in principle, but procuring a genuine top flight starting pitcher isn’t as easy as all that.
The Yankees relative “need” has almost no relation to possibility.
I think the Yankees will do what they can IF someone genuinely worthy is made available, I just don’t think the list will be very long.
Carpenter? How high you willing to go for a 35 year-old if the Cardinals hold the Yankees feet to the fire?
Just for the record, I don’t actually live in The Bronx.
i havent posted in a while and really havent gone into the comments, but now I know why i havent. It really is scary what that guy was doing.
Another one that hasn’t posted in here for a while is Rebecca, seems they did the same to her…?
Oops. Never mind. My bad.
I’m thinking he played Sunday. It was Saturday when he came out of the game early.
Five is correct.
Man! It’s been more than three DAYS since he was pulled from the game… My level of concern just rose from none to mild.
“Man! It’s been more than three DAYS since he was pulled from the game… My level of concern just rose from none to mild.”
What a douchebag if he needs a few days rest, right Larry?
Stuckey-
The answer is to see how things are by the TD.
We’ll go from there.
No telling who might be available and for what price, or if we’ll even need them.
A lot depends on how well Hughes bounces back.
We’ve got plenty of trade chips if we need to use them.
Then the evidence should be very easy to find. Solidify the stupidity of my question empirically.
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I was really hoping telling you how ridiculous your question was would prevent this
Nice to have a guy like Chavez right now eh
tommyingeorgia,
Most people divulge the state they live in. How many men name Tom, Tommy live in GA,,,lots and lots.
It is a shame we have to be so careful. Some of us might want to be more outspoken about things, but it’s tough when there are these ‘horrors’ around.
yankeesNmore – still havent gotten rid of that watermarked background huh? It’s like you designed the website in the 90′s… where is the flashing text?
stuckey99 April 19th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
“‘Non-prospect’ is subjective. I recall Russo being thought of a potential major league player, perhaps as a back-up, but I wouldn’t call anyone at one time considered a potential ML player a ‘non’ prospect.”
It doesn’t really matter, he’s an exception to the general rule I referenced.
“And given my point at the beginning was the Yankees may see Nunez’s value as similar…”
Yet Jack Z., according to all reports, wanted him for Lee, and the Yankees were unwilling to move him until Jeter signed. So your point is demonstrably false.
Equally important, he’s currently the best option they have offense/defense, and they need him to be sharp should a contingency arise. The best way to do that given his usage pattern to date is in the mL.
“The even larger point is I was merely pointing out a potential shortcoming the argument, specifically in response to the notion it is the Yankees best interest for their best players to actually be Yankees.”
The argument has been about whether or not it is in the Yankees’ best interests for the player to remain optimally ready. You have not rebutted that at all.
“Every decision has to be weighed. Some of advocating the inferior player on the ML roster. I’m pointing out the scenario for which that compromise is being advocating is no fool proof.”
Again, the general rule overrules the exceptions virtually all the time. That’s why it’s the general rule.
“You sure about your math?”
Very.
“No, I asked a genuine question, one I genuinely thought you’d take advantage of.
A minor leaguer repeating a level is not a guarantee he will meet or exceed his previous performance.”
This is a strawman argument, since no one ever spoke in terms of guarantees.
“You can certainly try to micro-qualify that “likely” or “unlikely”, but refusing to simply acknowledge the obvious premise is a sure sign you’re trying way too hard and looking for a fight where there was previously discussion.”
Project much?
“I was really hoping telling you how ridiculous your question was would prevent this..”
Most worthwhile things ever learned came from challenging the conventional wisdom.
I’m not sure the answer to the question, but then I know you don’t either.
I hope Cashman pries Grady Sizemore from Cleveland and the Yankees embark on a reclamation project with Grady. I think they can salvage something from Sizemore. He’s still only 28.
Russell Martin seems to be working out.
stuckey99 April 19th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
“Man! It’s been more than three DAYS since he was pulled from the game… My level of concern just rose from none to mild.”
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What a douchebag if he needs a few days rest, right Larry?
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Never said any such thing. Never hinted at it, or even THOUGHT it, for that matter.
Forgive me for being a little concerned that ARod is still not able to play 80 hours or so later.
Irreverent Discourse April 19th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
yankeesNmore – still havent gotten rid of that watermarked background huh? — Didn’t go blank… But I changed it… faded b/w image of Yankee Stadium… SWEET!
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where is the flashing text? — Did you miss the breaking news box at top/right?
For the record, this is the only name I post under.
I read some comments on a Knick blog after the Sunday game and a poster with similar writing style was there.
MTU
Time to round up the posse and dish out some wild western justice.
I mentioned on the last thread that people like him get by for a while, then wind up facing 8 to 20, or some other bad end.
I’m not sure the answer to the question, but then I know you don’t either.
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Nice try.
“Yet Jack Z., according to all reports, wanted him for Lee, and the Yankees were unwilling to move him until Jeter signed. So your point is demonstrably false.”
That they saw him as their best available option in a system with a known lack of position prospect is self-explanatory.
It’s always fun when people begin citing the Yankees apparent regard for a player while criticizing their handling of a player, as if the two are unrelated.
Okay, the Yankees view Eduardo Nunez as their potential future starter and/or a valuable trade chip whose value will be compromised if he isn’t playing every day.
So why isn’t he then?
“Equally important, he’s currently the best option they have offense/defense, and they need him to be sharp should a contingency arise. The best way to do that given his usage pattern to date is in the mL.”
Okay, I’ll play. How many games would be need to “get” sharp?
“The argument has been about whether or not it is in the Yankees’ best interests for the player to remain optimally ready. You have not rebutted that at all.”
I have not. I’m waiting for someone to offer any evidence in support of the superficial logic of it.
This is usually the part where you and the boys insult me rather than answer the question.
“Very.”
What’s up with Romine?
“This is a strawman argument, since no one ever spoke in terms of guarantees.”
People love the “strawman”!
I made a passing point that placing him in the AAA could potentially have the opposite desired effect. Wasn’t the premise of my argument at all, which is the best player available to the Yankees should play for the Yankees.
It was you, and others, that jumped on that one specific thing I said and I’ve come back to it in response to these rebuttals.
Again, I fully understand the pleasure being get in calling “strawman” on the internet, but it hardly applies.
i think when someone argues a player a player is more valuable NOT playing for the team, that it’s fair game to identify the risks in the rationale. Which is all I did.
Again, you’re still trying WAAY too hard.
You guys argue in the most unreadable way.
“Nice try.”
Transparent try.
which is the best player available to the Yankees should play for the Yankees.
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Gustavo Molina. Also how is 1 PA playing?
Almost like an off-day afternoon.
Maine-
Yeah. The infamous LoHud gang.
The Wyatt Earps of the blogosphere.
Lead by Marshall Jeff Marx.
He should deputize whoever he needs.
Randy claims he would like a new career as an Exterminator.
benshpigel A-rod about to take bp in the cages, but said he’s def not playing tonight
Stuckey & LGY
Forgive me for joining this discussion but neither one of you can have a valid argument without the complete knowledge of the deal.
I’m assuming that you don’t anyway.
MTU
I’m not sure randy is the best choice.
He’s so old we would never get to the battle.
I don’t think I’d want an IT guy leading any posse I was on.
Alex’s MRI was clean so whatever is keeping him out of the lineup can’t be too serious. There’s been a lot of torso injuries this Spring. you wonder if it’s all coincidental or there was something different in their routine.
“Gustavo Molina. Also how is 1 PA playing?”
Jesus Montero is playing at AAA because he struggled in the spring, is still a catcher in need of significant improvement, and is another class of player than Eduardo Nunez.
But then you already know this.
Likewise you already know the Yankees have only played 14 games in 19 days, and have had 2 days off they didn’t anticipate.
In addition I think you also know (and should if you didn’t) I meant being on the roster and available to the Yankees.
I’m happy to play with you fellas this afternoon, but if it’s going to devolve to this level, I’m sure I can find some nervous, angry Knicks can who will provide a better showing than this.
The IT guy could point the way, then retire to his cube.
Bret The Hitman April 19th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
I hope Cashman pries Grady Sizemore from Cleveland and the Yankees embark on a reclamation project with Grady. I think they can salvage something from Sizemore. He’s still only 28.
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Kinda hoping Jack Z finds a way to convince Grady to come “home”…
Time to steal a little from the Tribe, considering Bavasi’s “gifts” of Cabrera and Choo
Jeers-
Couldn’t you hurt yourself dancing with Cameron ?
Maine-
Randy claims to have some very unique skills.
I wouldn’t mind seeing them in action.
Any guy who can do Russian Pistols like him has my complete respect.
He’s definitely high on the grillitude scale.
yankeesNmore – Did you miss the breaking news box at top/right?
I was totally not serious about wanting to see flashing text. The fact that it was actually supposed to be there (your widgits get blocked by noscript) only makes this more ridiculous.
“Forgive me for joining this discussion but neither one of you can have a valid argument without the complete knowledge of the deal.”
The reported Mariners deal?
Yeah, I agree with this.
We’re all of us speculating. That said I tend to gravitate towards the Yankees have a reason for what they do and not just that they’re really, really all just dumber than us fans.
The Yankees handing of Nunez indicates to me their regard for Nunez.
The more or less complicated then that.
On the roster and available to the yankees for what? Holding Derek Jeters glove inbetween innings?
Why don’t the yankees sign a bunch of free agents to million dollar deals to sit on the bench then?
“I don’t think I’d want an IT guy leading any posse I was on.”
At the count of 3 we are going in.
IT guy begin the count down!
“1 0 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 1″
Tom-
CompassRosy April 19th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Kinda hoping Jack Z finds a way to convince Grady to come “home”…
Time to steal a little from the Tribe, considering Bavasi’s “gifts” of Cabrera and Choo
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You would. You would.
Knowing Jack Z though, he would trade Felix Hernandez for Matt Laporta and Laporta will bomb.
If the early season and number of days off were considered, why not keep Nunez in AAA and then call him up when it gets to the dog days?
Stuckey,
I recognize it is early. However, Gardner looks like the same guy who hot so poorly in the second half. I hoped it was his wrist, but I have always questioned his hitting. I hope he hits in the future. I don’t know as my crystal ball is broken. My point was a team needs more offense out of aan offensive position than what Gardner has so far provided. Again, do you disagree?
Yes, I do believe the Yankee rotation is questionable. Four of the five starters have large question marks by them from age, injury history or poor pitching. This team needs all the offense it can get because I don’t see many low scoring wins with most of the rotation. If you think they are good, enjoy.
I vote for playing Nunez tonight.
If the early season and number of days off were considered, why not keep Nunez in AAA and then call him up when it gets to the dog days?
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For who? Not Pena?
“Never said any such thing. Never hinted at it, or even THOUGHT it, for that matter.”
Fair enough Larry, but just remember, in the world of journalism (which I assume you aspire to) perception IS reality.
Your supposed “anger” towards players they aren’t hitting or fielding well suggest to me you’re the type of person who would also respond inappropriately to someone who happened to get injured.
This is due to the public persona you’ve obviously purposely cultivated.
Nunez has left the building.
He has gone missing.
Bronx Jeers, while I predicted the Yankees would take Nunez north, I questioned the available playing time and said that if the Yankees are not going to give him 300 PA they might as well just keep Pena.
Nobody expected the Yankees to turn Nunez into a paperweight.
SJ44 lumped Eduardo Nunez in with Jesus Montero as a top Yankees prospect. He did it several times last season, especially around the trade deadline. I think Cashman had Nunez overrated. However, I like how he earned a spot on the team. Plenty of teams work in prospects on the major league level without giving them regular at bats at the major league level. Martin Prado started as a utility guy. The problem with having Nunez in that role is Jeter hates to sit and Nunez won’t get his chance here. They shouldn’t banish him to AAA because of it. He has proven he can hit ML pitching and field multiple positions. Nobody is offering anything significant for him at the moment. Cashman should’ve dealt him with Montero for Lee knowing the situation here with Jeter. Cashman is a consummate prospect hugger.
Nunez only really exists in Cyberspace like Tron.
Who’s Nunez?
Prado got 250 PA in 08 when he really ‘broke in’, I hope the Yankees could commit to that or more for Nunez this year.
“On the roster and available to the yankees for what?”
This is your new M.O.? Asking obvious questions.
Yankees specifically cited his speed as a reason he got the nod.
Pinch running duties are dependent on circumstance.
Maybe if Jeter started better they’d be more apt to sit him down.
Again, 2 rainouts can’t be anticipated.
Pena, Nunez and Russo got over 250 AB’s between them last year. Perhaps the Yankees plan was for Nunez to get a fair number of AB’s this season as the back-up if healthy.
Have we really reached a tipping point after 14 games in 19 days on this?
“Why don’t the yankees sign a bunch of free agents to million dollar deals to sit on the bench then?”
Why would they.
I’ll remind you my premise is maybe this is how the Yankees see Nunez.
It is you and others who are arguing they regard him higher but then leave yourself no explanation as to why they are handling him as they are.
RE: Jerkface
First, the rain outs weren’t scheduled. Nunez would have at least one start if Garcia’s original 1st game wasn’t rained out. Second, with a 17 day stretch of games without an off day coming up, Nunez will get some starts.
If Nunez is the better player, compared to Pena, why carry the inferior player when it could conceivably cost the team wins? The organization is trying to win world championships, not maximize playing time for backup/utility quality players. We’re basically doing the exact opposite with Montero (i.e. playing an inferior player at the ML level so he can get playing time) but there is justification there. Montero is an elite prospect that could either contribute at a high level to the Yanks or fetch a big return in a trade. Nunez can do neither in my view. Maybe you have a different opinion of Nunez. I see him as a useful spare part and/or a possible throw-in in a trade. But even with spare parts, I want to see the best spare parts possible on the team. Whatever maximises the odds of getting to and winning the WS, which in the end is the only thing that really matters.
Nunez’s ass print will be permanently molded into the bench by the end of the season.
“Nunez’s ass print will be permanently molded into the bench by the end of the season.”
You think Nunez could top a .571 OPS?
LGY-
They’ll put the print on file for immigration purposes.
So that’s good.
eboland11 ARod said “gun to head” he could play today but all involved to give oblique another day. Expects to play tomorrow
eboland11 Should have read “all involved DECIDED” to rest oblique another day
Pena, Nunez and Russo got over 250 AB’s between them last year. Perhaps the Yankees plan was for Nunez to get a fair number of AB’s this season as the back-up if healthy.
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Not with Chavez on the roster. Not even close.
If that was the plan then they are really poor planners and probably pretty stupid.
Pena, Nunez and Russo got over 250 AB’s between them last year. Perhaps the Yankees plan was for Nunez to get a fair number of AB’s this season as the back-up if healthy.
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So Nunez is going to play LF too? Go look back but in spring I found the SS and 2B backups played less than 200 PA on the year.
There is no tipping point, but the Yankees are not a team that plays backups regularly over their star players. Nunez is only backing up Cano and Jeter. One in his prime who shouldn’t sit, the other who requires star treatment and refuses to sit.
If Cashman is a consummate prospect hugger, then Bret is a consummate “Flavor of the Day” kind of guy.
It doesn’t take long for Bret to find someone Cashman MUST trade for. The list of trade/free agent targets the last year is endless.
Sizemore has been healthy less than a week (after missing most of the last two years) and now he’s clamoring for Cashman to nab him or he’s an idiot.
I was a big fan of Sizemore a few years back. One of my favorite players around the league.
But they guy hasn’t proved he can stay on the field the last two years. No way would I make a major deal for him at this point.
That wouldn’t be smart.
This is your new M.O.? Asking obvious questions.
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You mean like, does playing everyday better prepare you to play everyday and stay sharp than sitting on a bench???
Bryan Hoch
“Gun to the head I could probably strap it on today. Everyone’s opinion was to take one more day” -Alex Rodriguez
GREAT news!!
The biggest difference between the Yankees trusting/promoting Nunez and not Montero is Montero’s defense is not ML ready while backup catcher’s play into more wins/losses than utility infielders. Furthermore, Nunez outplayed Pena in ST and earned his spot. Montero didn’t earn a spot. That being said, his bat is on fire right now, so I hope he gets his defense sorted out down there. Cervelli fell off the face of the planet.
“My point was a team needs more offense out of aan offensive position than what Gardner has so far provided. Again, do you disagree?”
I disagree with “need”, yes.
I also disagree with designating positions as “offensive” and failing to consider the equation as a whole.
Find me a team getting the production the Yankees get out of catcher, 2nd base and centerfield, THEN show me their production from LF, then we can talk.
“Yes, I do believe the Yankee rotation is questionable.”
When hasn’t it been?
“This team needs all the offense it can get because I don’t see many low scoring wins with most of the rotation.”
Good news then, they’re scoring more runs than anyone else in the AL.
I love it when a plan comes together.
You think Nunez could top a .571 OPS?
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For sure.
If Nunez is the better player, compared to Pena, why carry the inferior player when it could conceivably cost the team wins? The organization is trying to win world championships, not maximize playing time for backup/utility quality players.
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You carry the inferior (by bat only, Pena is a superior defender) player because they aren’t going to play. The team is trying to win world championships, not groom Nunez/Pena. They aren’t going to get major league PA! Now if an injury occurs, you need to replace your superstar with the best option, and a guy with 5 PA on the year might not be as good as the guy who has been receiving regular play time in Scranton.
If he could just turn it on, then why not have Montero up here? He could just practice with Pena and girardi before and after games and work out and pick Posadas brain. Players need to play.
“You think Nunez could top a .571 OPS?
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For sure.”
Then trot him out there.
Bronx Jeers, while I predicted the Yankees would take Nunez north, I questioned the available playing time and said that if the Yankees are not going to give him 300 PA they might as well just keep Pena.
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I see your point. Maybe if they didn’t have the rainouts he’d have gotten a game.
Pena could perform all the duties Nunez is currently most likely to perform, defensive replacement in blowouts, pinch running for Posada.
GRADY SIZEMORE
Then trot him out there.
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Sounds good to me. Just gotta get to Girardi now.
“Not with Chavez on the roster. Not even close.”
Chavez, the human X-ray?
“If that was the plan then they are really poor planners and probably pretty stupid.”
I’d be perfectly happy if you guy just were more open about this.
“You mean like, does playing everyday better prepare you to play everyday and stay sharp than sitting on a bench???”
Why can’t you easily prove such as obvious truth then?
“Gun to head” ?
I always preferred nuts in pliers.
Why can’t you easily prove such as obvious truth then?
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You are allowing the Yankees use of Nunez to dictate your opinion of him, but then you choose to ignore all the baseball people that say you need to play to stay sharp. I don’t think you can have it both ways.
“GRADY SIZEMORE”
I think this is a AWESOME idea and I wholeheartedly endorse Bret the Hitman’s latest obsession for an outfielder who doesn’t play for the Yankees because he’s been forced to move on from David Dejesus and I swear I’m not just saying that in some lame-ass attempt to get Bret to believe someone agrees with him so he doesn’t mention “Grady Sizemore” on a daily basis all year.
BEST. IDEA. EVER.
No.
Really…
Stuckey,
I hope your optimistic projections are true. As with everything, time will tell.
Chavez, the human X-ray?
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You can’t have injury contingency players sitting around doing nothing just because of the possibility of injury. If Chavez broke himself Nunez could simply be called up.
There will be games where Nunez plays (e.g. during the 17 day stretch coming up). The odds of losing a winnable game go up if you subtract Nunez and insert Pena. Losing even one game that could/should have been won is worse than making a player like Nunez idle away on the bench most days. He’s not an important enough piece in the organization going forward, to sacrifice wins (or the probability of wins), however slight. Players like Montero and Banuelos are important enough to do just the opposite.
Stuckey pre-emptively agrees with Bret The Hitman.
He’s learning.
If you asked Nunez I’m sure he’d rather be on the bench than in Scranton.
For wine, women and song purposes.
Bronx Jeers April 19th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
If you asked Nunez I’m sure he’d rather be on the bench than in Scranton.
For wine, women and song purposes.
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Agreed. Scranton dives or NY women and clubs. Give me sitting on the bench all day and night for NY nightlife and minimum MLB salary. I’ll sit in a hoodie and root like mad for my teammates.
The odds of losing a winnable game go up if you subtract Nunez and insert Pena
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What if Nunez throws the ball into the stands on an important ground ball?
“The odds of losing a winnable game go up if you subtract Nunez and insert Pena.”
Just curious, what do the odds do if you subtract Jeter and insert Nunez? Since that isn’t going to happen, and the Captain has another 472 games (plus option) in pinstripes, who cares where Nunez sits, stands, plays or doesn’t play?
Bret The Hitman April 19th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Knowing Jack Z though, he would trade Felix Hernandez for Matt Laporta and Laporta will bomb.
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Now why would he do that when he can sign “hometown boy, Grady” in the off-season and keep Felix?
wow, still no A-Rod?!
In the very limited PT Nunez or Pena will get it is not clear that superior offense outweighs superior defense especially when this team has a much stronger offense than pitching staff.
Sizemore has a team option for 2012. The Indians will probably exercise it and trade Sizemore at the deadline or in he off season. I’m not sure about Grady’s health but Cashman needs to gain access to those medical records and find the right price. If he can stay healthy he’s a 30-40 SB threat with 30 HR power, patience and decent contact and GG defense. He’s also a throwback pedal-to-the-medal type gamer like Russell Martin.
“So Nunez is going to play LF too? Go look back but in spring I found the SS and 2B backups played less than 200 PA on the year.”
Did Nunez play the outfield during ST?
“You are allowing the Yankees use of Nunez to dictate your opinion of him, but then you choose to ignore all the baseball people that say you need to play to stay sharp. I don’t think you can have it both ways.”
I’m not “ignoring” anything. I’m advocating actually turning up some true insight into the topic, rather than operating under a vague notion.
I’ll ask again, how many days does it take to “get sharp”?
Gimme a number.
How does one explain the performance of major leaguers who come off the bench and have big days despite infrequent playing time?
Is there statistical evidence that supports the notion a player’s OPS will be lower in some appropriate proportion to his playing time?
I’m simply suggesting actually qualifying a general assumption. At worse one can learn something new that maybe even supports their assumption.
I’m generally an advocate of knowing more than you did before and generally are suspicious of those who argue it isn’t necessary or wouldn’t be productive.
And what about issues to Jeter and Cano ala what Arod is currently experiencing and you don’t want to make a roster move?
“I hope your optimistic projections are true. As with everything, time will tell.”
They have been the last 2 years. Not seeing 4 team more talented in the AL.
IMO Nunez is a net gain over Pena, considering all their offensive and defensive skills. So I believe your odds of winning go up with Nunez.
“You can’t have injury contingency players sitting around doing nothing just because of the possibility of injury. ”
Of course you can. Why the hell do you think Nunez played in the outfield?
Nunez is there to back-up the middle infield and third and first and the outfield if needed.
Hell, he might even be the 3rd catcher.
Someone plays that role and this year the yankees have deemed Nunez the best option.
Nunez is a superior hitter, base runner and bigger base stealing threat. He can change the game in many more ways than Pena who has a better glove but not by much. In a crucial spot, a pitcher can cheat against the guys in the order surrounding Pena and go at Pena and not get burnt. You can’t do that with Eduardo Nunez.
Nunez might be able to make more of an impact in a game in which he starts, but Pena would make more an impact in games in which he subs in defensively.
Nunez has already forced Mariano into a game he had no business pitching in.
They have been the last 2 years. Not seeing 4 team more talented in the AL.
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Only two years? Pretty weak track record
Someone plays that role and this year the yankees have deemed Nunez the best option.
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Duh. Doesn’t mean the Yankees are right and thats why we are debating it.
Nunez is a superior hitter, base runner and bigger base stealing threat. He can change the game in many more ways than Pena who has a better glove but not by much.
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Of course, but he can’t change games he does not participate in. I want the Yankees to bench Jeter and put Nunez in. game changer.
Jerkface didn’t you know that according to many on this blog the Yankees are always right?
“Not seeing 4 team more talented in the AL.”
There don’t have to be 4 team [sick!!!] more talented in the AL! Just two or maybe three. Because team [disgusting] less talented can win the other divisions.
One team more talented in the division and then either a second team more talented in the division or two team [sicko] more talented in another division to add up to the Yanks missing the playoffs.
I’m assuming that by ‘more talented’ you mean teams that finish with a better record.
If you’re wrong about this, what other careless errors have you made???????
I think Nunez will get close to 200 AB’s this year with most of those AB’s coming in the second half when it’s easier to convince Jeter that he needs to sit…barring injury to Jeter in the first half and barring a reasonable trade offer for Nunez.
seriously , do some of you lay awake at night pondering what to complain about the next day here? If the Yankees biggest problem is Nunez sitting on the bench, it sounds like a pretty good problem to have. He is the utility infielder get over it.
Nunez, Pena. Pena, Nunez. Nunez, Pena. Pena, Nunez.
Well, at least the Phil obsessed aren’t out today.
“Jerkface didn’t you know that according to many on this blog the Yankees are always right?”
I believe it’s more a matter of people acknowledging the Yankees track record.
Suggesting people who believe in their abilities believe they’re infallible is sophomoric.
“do some of you lay awake at night pondering what to complain about the next day here?”
Only those with too much time on their hands or too few resources. I have a team in Bangalore that reads the blog while I sleep and provides me with a list of things to complain about each morning. Some days I don’t even get through the whole list!
Suggesting people who believe in their abilities believe they’re infallible is sophomoric.
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Except there ARE some people on here that don’t question the Yankees’ decisions at all and to do so is akin to heresy in their eyes.
I think Nunez has a chance to be a kind of surprise player for the yankees. He has power and speed, and though rough at SS can still field there. They should definitely give him play time.
Yankees are playing better than I thought they would at this point.
Which is good, because they are usually a better second half team under Girardi.
“Only two years? Pretty weak track record
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That’s batting a 1.000 considering this is only the 3rd season I’ve been here…:-)
I think Nunez has a chance to be a kind of surprise player for the yankees. He has power and speed, and though rough at SS can still field there. They should definitely give him play time.
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Yeah but, Derek Jeter.
Is anyone really complaining about Nunez/Pena? We’re talking about it.
The Yankees will go to the playoffs regardless of who is at the util role.
No Arod playing in Toronto means Arod will be playing in Toronto. Last time that happen Arod ended up on front page of Post followed by divorce !!!!
“Except there ARE some people on here that don’t question the Yankees’ decisions at all and to do so is akin to heresy in their eyes.”
Name them.
Name them.
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trisha
“trisha”
Yeah, but she really doesn’t know much of anything about baseball.
She’s the only regular I know that holds to that viewpoint, although there are other less common posters that do the same.
Basically there are people who when they are arguing a point, if the Yankees happen to agree with them they fall back on the strategy of “Well the Yankees are the experts and this is what they did so I don’t see why we should listen to you!” It’s a pretty lame argument…
Its an appeal to authority, just as fun as strawman to throw about.
Geez! I just heard someone had a gun to A-Rod’s head! Did Heyman report that?
Patrick, I’d agree that would be lame, though I perceive there to be at least an equal contingent of those who feel the Yankees act in arbitrarily, non-sensical, counterproductive ways.
For instance, I’m happy to indulge in a discussion about the wisdom of carrying Nunez as opposed to Pena. What I think would add to the discourse is someone on the critical side attempting to explain the Yankees reasoning.
# Patrick April 19th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Except there ARE some people on here that don’t question the Yankees’ decisions at all and to do so is akin to heresy in their eyes.
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Nothing wrong with questioning some decisions but shouldn’t this organization have earned the benefit of the doubt on most decisions based on their unequaled success in this sport the last 15 years?
No organization is going to get it right 100% of the time. It’s impossible given the nature of the business.
But I don’t know of another organization in this game who has earned the benefit of the doubt, at least in my estimation, more than the Yanks.
But some people simply complain just to complain.
Giuseppe,
If we can only question some decisions whats the point of having a blog?
When the Yankees do something that makes no sense based on the things we know you have to question it, you can’t just say “Well they have earned our trust, therefore I will never question what they do”
“do some of you lay awake at night pondering what to complain about the next day here?”
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NO, I’m still having nightmares about Neal Beaver (the guy who met Swisher in the Citibank photo) and his girlfriend Bea Bush.
The latest one–
Neal: “Hi, Mr Swisher. I’m Neal Beaver and this is my fiancée Bea Bush. We’re getting married this weekend. That’s right–our names will be Neal and Bea Bush Beaver…which will also be our subliminal command to you and those having nightmares about us.”
I’ve questioned decisions they’ve made, too. Adding Molina was certainly one. There are others.
But people piss and moan everyday about something within these cyberwalls. I don’t see the point in that. We’re not talking about the Pirates.
Giuseppe is quite capable of defending himself, but Patrick you misquoted him -
You said,
“When the Yankees do something that makes no sense based on the things we know you have to question it, you can’t just say “Well they have earned our trust, therefore I will never question what they do””
Giuseppe never said, “I will never question what they do.” He said,
“Nothing wrong with questioning some decisions but shouldn’t this organization have earned the benefit of the doubt on most decisions based on their unequaled success in this sport the last 15 years?”
He said “Nothing wrong with questioning some decisions …”
His point is excellent, and I will go further, no professional sports organization since the 1920′s has had as much success as the New York Yankees baseball team. That’s over 80 years of success. Pretty impressive record I would think.
By the way gentlemen, if any of you that I respect greatly care to continue the discussion from last night about my wanting to protect the health of Jesus Montero (by DHing him), I am available to answer your points.
Oops…***ladies and gentlemen***
” I have a team in Bangalore that reads the blog while I sleep and provides me with a list of things to complain about each morning. ”
nick in sf-
so you are admitting you go with hot weather consultants only. that explains a lot.
no wonder they don’t get it that it’s harder to play in really cold weather because they don’t what cold weather is.
you need a part time icelandic or eskimo team, at least in the early spring and late fall.