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A logo and a lawsuit, plus some other notes

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 21, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A woman in Yonkers has filed a lawsuit against the Yankees claiming the team stole their famous top hat logo from her dead uncle.

The woman is named Tanit Buday and she claims that her uncle, Kenneth Timur, was commissioned to design a logo for the Yankees. She says that he came up with a top hat design remarkably similar to the one so famously associated with the team, but he was never compensated for his work. Why this took more than 70 years to become an issue is unclear.

“There is no proof of this claim,” Yankees spokesperson Alice McGillion wrote in an email to my Journal News coworker Ernie Garcia. “This is a wonderful country where anybody can sue for anything, even when the allegations are over 70 years old.”

In other news, a few relatively minor press releases have rolled in today. Here are the nuts and bolts from the Yankees, the Babe Ruth Museum and Major League Baseball.

Babe Ruth’s bat on display this weekend

Fans traveling to Baltimore for the Yankees’ series with the Orioles this weekend will have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to hold a piece of history during their visit. Throughout the weekend, Babe Ruth’s 1927 record-setting homerun bat will be on display at the Babe Ruth Birthplace and Museum. This bat is kept in the archives and is not usually on public display.

Ruth was born in Baltimore on February 6, 1895 in the row house (216 Emory Street) located around the corner from Oriole Park at Camden Yards. The house opened as a national shrine to Ruth in 1974. Exhibits depicting the historic home and Babe’s life & times were installed under his family. Among the unique artifacts/mementos in the Museum are Ruth’s 1914 rookie card, the bat given to Ruth by Shoeless Joe Jackson and Ruth’s first known autograph.

Yankees partner with Keep America Beautiful

The New York Yankees today announced they have partnered with Keep America Beautiful, the nation’s largest volunteer-based community improvement organization, to help celebrate Earth Day at Yankee Stadium. On Thursday, April 28, prior to the Yankees game vs. the Chicago White Sox, the first 18,000 guests in attendance will receive a package of flower seeds aimed at encouraging individuals to engage in the environmental betterment of their community.

The partnership continues the Yankees’ ongoing effort to incorporate eco-friendly initiatives in and around Yankee Stadium. Since its opening in 2009, Yankee Stadium has made a strong commitment to efforts to help sustain the environment.

Various waste-reducing activities, including the establishment of the Yankees Sustainability Facility Program, have helped promote responsible energy consumption and community improvement. The program ensures the efficiency of all equipment while focusing on energy reduction. During the 2010 season, waste management through composting and the recycling of cardboard, glass, metal, plastics and paper helped divert more than 35 percent of Yankee Stadium’s trash away from landfills. Additionally, close to 9,000 gallons of cooking oil used in the Stadium last year were converted into roughly 7,000 gallons of biodiesel fuel.

MLB and MLBPA reach agreement for retired players

The Office of the Commissioner of Baseball and the Major League Baseball Players Association jointly announced today that they have agreed to make an annual payment to Players who retired before 1980 but who did not have enough service time to qualify for a pension benefit under the Major League Baseball Players Benefit Plan.

… Since the 1980 season, all Major League Players have vested as members of the benefit plan after just one day of service in the Major Leagues. Prior to 1980, Players secured a pension benefit only after completing at least four years of Major League Service. Under this new agreement, Players who retired between January 1, 1947 and January 1, 1980 with no retirement benefits for their Major League Service will receive an annual payment of up to $10,000, jointly funded by the Commissioner’s Office and the MLBPA. The collective bargaining parties have committed to these payments for an initial period of two years. Payments beyond the initial period will be discussed in collective bargaining.

Commissioner Selig said: “Very simply, we felt that this was the right thing to do for these former players, who contributed to our game’s unparalleled history. I am very pleased that we have partnered with the Players Association to take this step.”

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635 Responses to “A logo and a lawsuit, plus some other notes”

  1. blake April 21st, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    what’s this woman talking about….my great grandfather invented the logo first…..where is my money?

  2. BoJo April 21st, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    I always liked that logo….

  3. Jennifer April 21st, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Obviously this woman is out for a big pay day. And say the logo was “stolen” from her great great great uncle. isn’t there a statute of limitations??

  4. NYY fan in NH April 21st, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    they had those same logos on the jackets when I was a kid back in the mid 80′s. I had one myself.

  5. lounge lizard April 21st, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    she’s being represented by jackie chiles and the yankees have assigned the negotiations to the assistant for the traveling secretary. should be wrapped up in about a half hour.

  6. blake April 21st, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    This country really has a problem with ridiculous lawsuits.

  7. BoJo April 21st, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    blake April 21st, 2011 at 9:57 pm
    This country really has a problem with ridiculous lawsuits.
    __________
    YOU THINK SO?!?!? I’ll see YOU in court!

  8. Chase April 21st, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Another lazy dope looking for a quick handout.

  9. blake April 21st, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    Bojo,

    I’m sure someone has tried to do just that because of what someone said to them on the internet.

  10. BoJo April 21st, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Good night all…

  11. BoJo April 21st, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Blake–

    I am 100% certain you are right…good night.

  12. austinmac April 21st, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    As a trial lawyer, I will say the frivolous lawsuit issue is overblown. However, this one sure qualifies and, yes, a statute of limitations defense for this type of silly claim.

  13. Abe Peterham April 21st, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    I wonder what the total payout is for 10k times how many players?? 10 k isn’t worth much individually.

  14. Tar April 21st, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    “The woman is named Tanit Buday and she claims that her uncle, Kenneth Timur, was commissioned to design a logo for the Yankees”

    ‘As a trial lawyer, I will say the frivolous lawsuit issue is overblown. However, this one sure qualifies and, yes, a statute of limitations defense for this type of silly claim.”

    I think I would like to hear her sidof the story before I decide if her suit has any merit. Everyone seems so quick to dismiss because of the time issue, perhaps there is a valid reason for the length of time.

  15. West Coast Yankee Fan April 21st, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    I love how some claim to know the facts about a case before any evidence is even heard. If it’s true, it sure wouldn’t be the first time a corporation ripped someone off.

  16. Carlo April 21st, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Wow, I just looked at ellsburys numbers this year. Makes me feel like we should open up the gardner vs ellsbury debate again.

    So, who is less terrible, ellsbury or gardner?

  17. Jerkface April 21st, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    For expanded playoffs the season should be scheduled to end on a thursday every year, with the weekend being ‘wild card weekend’ where the wild card with the most wins faces the other wildcard team at home in a 3 game series with the winner squaring off against the division winner on Monday.

    This would put the wildcard at a disadvantage and make winning the division special.

  18. Crawdaddy April 21st, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Pot calling the kettle black when it comes to commenting without any real knowledge.

  19. Jerkface April 21st, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    So, who is less terrible, ellsbury or gardner?

    Gardner plays better defense, go gardner.

  20. Carlo April 21st, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Face – it is settled then. Gardner, given his defense is less terrible than ellsbury. Advantage yanks.

    On another note, I can’t be more tired of listening to commentators talk about jason variteks importance because of his defense and his “handling of the staff”. Here is a guy who was an offense first guy in the roid years of 03/04/05 and then started to fall apart offensively. His defense is nothing if not mediocre and he can’t throw a runner out to save his life.

  21. West Coast Yankee Fan April 21st, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    I understand you are intimidated by anyone with a brain crawfish. Back to the swamp with you.

  22. LGY April 21st, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Face

    That probably makes the most sense, but I would think the owners would want one home game for the playoff revenue.

  23. Carlo April 21st, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Anyone know why Youkillis just got taken out in the 2nd inning? Any truth to the rumor he swallowed a 2 year old booger from his beard and got ill?

  24. GreenBeret7 April 21st, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Yankees Charleston team brings in another fire breather in Danny Burawa out of St. John’s to match Tommy Kahnle. Burawa is hitting 97-98 MPH with sharp slider. Kahnle was hitting a steady 98 MPH for 2 innings 2 nights ago.

  25. ac1 April 21st, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    looks like the sox get more help from the umps.
    does a call ever go against them?

  26. pat April 21st, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Melky

  27. Carlo April 21st, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    The Melkman game winner……I remember that time Gardner got a hit. That was awesome. Good times.

  28. Crawdaddy April 21st, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    “I understand you are intimidated by anyone with a brain crawfish. Back to the swamp with you.”

    Actually, when it comes to being brainless, I think you rival the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz.

  29. tyanksfan36 April 21st, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Check out Johnny Damons muscles in this picture.

    http://twitpic.com/4ntlm8/full

  30. West Coast Yankee Fan April 21st, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Crawfish – good one. You really told me.

  31. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Just walked in the house to find that JOSH BECKETT IS PITCHING A NO HITTER!

    I’m thinking not for long.

    Hey all.

    :)

  32. tyanksfan36 April 21st, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    GB

    now those are 2 guys I am looking forward to seeing in Tampa, they need to get promoted ASAP so I can see them, along with Heathcott.

  33. UnKnown April 21st, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    I can’t understand why whenever I hear the Yankees talked about by the National Media they continually say that they are struggling. First place in the East and struggling?

    I don’t get it. They just can’t wait for the wheels to come off. Well I don’t think there going to so screw them.

  34. LGY April 21st, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    The Angels lineup is pretty underwhelming

  35. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Can’t disagree so far.

  36. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    It would be really nice if the home plate ump knew how to call flippin’ strikes.

  37. West Coast Yankee Fan April 21st, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Mike S. is a superb manager and gets the most out of what he has to work with. 12-6 and in first place isn’t a bad way to start the year.

  38. GreenBeret7 April 21st, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Danny Burawa closes out the game with 3 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks and 5 strikeouts. Zach Nuding gets the win with 5 innings, 2 hits, 2 runs, 1 walk, 8 strikeouts. Sanchez was 1-4 with a RBI

    Box score

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....8;did=milb

  39. GreenBeret7 April 21st, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    TY, you’ll probably get Kahnle before June.

  40. ac1 April 21st, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    It would be really nice if the home plate ump knew how to call flippin’ strikes.
    ___

    Agreed. Seems like nothing at the bottom of the zone is being called against Boston.
    Basically he is saying, throw it dead center or its a ball.

  41. GreenBeret7 April 21st, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    Scoscica isn’t exactly bereft of talent on that team.

  42. ac1 April 21st, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    how do you walk a guy batting 040?

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan April 21st, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    No he isn’t, but it’s not overwhelming. They have pitching.

  44. stuckey99 April 21st, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Did I actually just witness a guy strutting over an outfielder with a .275 slugging % in the last thread, and even pasting it in as his evidence?

    Really?

  45. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Good job Jacoby!

    Good call of Ellsbury LGY. I have to admit it.

    *************

    I agree GB that the Angels are bereft of talent/

  46. LGY April 21st, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Mike S. is a superb manager and gets the most out of what he has to work with. 12-6 and in first place isn’t a bad way to start the year.

    —–

    Don’t think they are in it for the long haul with that offense.

  47. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    ac1, he’s a kid. So he got nervous with someone on base and made the fatal mistake of letting that pull him away from the game. A more seasoned pitcher would have just loved concentrating on making Varitek look like the batting monkey he is.

  48. LGY April 21st, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    Good call of Ellsbury LGY. I have to admit it.

    ——

    Unfortunately Gardner is not helping my case on the Yankee side of things.

  49. ac1 April 21st, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    yeah i know but someone has to remind him who is batting…

  50. West Coast Yankee Fan April 21st, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Pitching will take you far. I still like Texas but I think the Angels will stick around until the end.

  51. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    LG, actually their offense is pretty good, despite the way they look right now. 3rd in the AL in BA, 6th in the AL in runs.

  52. stuckey99 April 21st, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Gardner, Jeter and Posada have to buy into the “what you do from here on is is all that matters” way of looking at things.

    Yankees are in first, with few games cushion, so no harm, no foul.

    Give us a good May splits and don’t worry what the season stuff looks like.

  53. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    “yeah i know but someone has to remind him who is batting…”

    I absolutely agree. I figured that was exactly what his pitching coach was doing!

  54. LGY April 21st, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Trisha

    Yeah I know, but the season is young. Too early for stats to judge their true talent (which I don’t think highly of)

  55. stuckey99 April 21st, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Here is a statistical curiosity I noticed this evening.

    20 of the 30 ML teams are . 500 or below.

    That’s gotta be unusual, even early.

  56. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Damned shame that the Sux miss Jared Weaver this time.

  57. ac1 April 21st, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Beckett getting that low strike but Anaheim is not.

  58. LGY April 21st, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    For whatever reason Haren usually dominates the first half of the season and then tails off in the second half.

    So it will be interesting to see if that happens again.

  59. Chase April 21st, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    ac1, yep. really inconsistent strike zone.

    Hunter’s first called strike that last AB was in his batters box.

  60. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Beckett looks like a bloated pig.

  61. stuckey99 April 21st, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    So Cervelli caught 8 innings tonight and went 2 for 3.

    It’s April 21st.

    Hard to imagine any circumstances other than a set-back that he isn’t back by May 1st.

    If he can play at full speed like that, can’t imagine he’ll rehab more than 9 days.

    The Gustavo Molina era may be no more than 1 or 2 (max) more starts old – Sunday… then could Cervelli be back by next Friday night?

  62. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Nice job by the kid in spite of the umpire. Hoswever, his pitch count it up there. No idea what the Angels pen is like.

  63. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    All we need is a flippin’ blast. Wouldn’t it be nice for Beckett to lose this game 1-0!

  64. Jerkface April 21st, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    The Gustavo Molina era may be no more than 1 or 2 (max) more starts old – Sunday… then could Cervelli be back by next Friday night?

    That’d be great

  65. Yanks78 April 21st, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Beckett is looking like 2007 Beckett now. Looks like that he did to us wasn’t a fluke.

  66. ac1 April 21st, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    god if beckett throws a no-no,espn will broadcast it like the greatest event in sports history.

  67. Jerkface April 21st, 2011 at 11:36 pm

    Beckett is looking like 2007 Beckett now. Looks like that he did to us wasn’t a fluke.

    Meh beckett had 3 stretches last year where he put together good starts.

  68. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    Kid definitely isn’t getting the low strike. He’s probably been jobbed at least 8 or 9 pitches.

  69. ac1 April 21st, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    yeah this home plate umpire needs to be consistent…
    And i dont mean consistently inconsistent.

  70. ac1 April 21st, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    im surprised boston is swinging at anything, with the way they are getting helped at the plate.

  71. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    Hope they come and get the kid out of there now.

  72. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    I hate that ump

  73. stuckey99 April 21st, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    Man, Boston must REALLY be bad to be 6-11 given how much help they always get from umpires.

    And yes LGY, THAT means what you think it means…

  74. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    Wow.

  75. ac1 April 21st, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    man Tek is making Posada’s sub .200 average seem like Babe Ruth.

  76. LGY April 21st, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    Did Carl Crawford really just bunt so that he could pass the baton to Jason Varitek?

  77. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 21st, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    Well, that’s what happens when you live dangerously. The kid came close to getting out of it, but definitely was a crap shoot. And the way Beckett is pitching, 2 runs is a lot of runs.

  78. tyanksfan36 April 21st, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    I am working on uploading videos of Cervelli catching and hitting tonight.

  79. West Coast Yankee Fan April 21st, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    The Sux rotation doesn’t look muchworse than ours does at this point; if at all. It’s about staying healthy. Both teams can hit – I think it will come down to the end of September as it usually does.

  80. ac1 April 21st, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    Boston’s offense is not even close to ours….

  81. UnKnown April 21st, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    nice break up the NESN post game show

  82. UnKnown April 21st, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    ac1 that’s a fact

  83. Betsy April 21st, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Beckett being Beckett is not something we counted on – though I thought he’d be improved this year. Sleeping on the Sox offense is unwise – they are going to get hot at some point and very likely for a sustained period.

  84. ac1 April 21st, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    yes i agree betsy, but we have yet to reach our potential also

  85. West Coast Yankee Fan April 21st, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    I like our team and chances but Boston has a very good offense, one doesn’t have to play match ups. I’m just being realistic. They will be there at the end if everyone stays healthy.

  86. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Sure we counted on Beckett being Beckett. Because Beckett is nothing if not inconsistent. Beckett having good stretches and then sucking no long periods of time is exactly Beckett being Beckett.

    unknown and ac1, I am counting on the Sux to get no higher than 3rd place in the AL East – if they get to third.

  87. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:03 am

    West Coast Sux fan, you have said that about the Sux now about a hundred times. We get that you can’t get far up enough their backsides. I don’t think there is a poster here who doesn’t know that you believe the Sux “will be there at the end as usual.”

    Okay?

    By the way, they won’t.

  88. Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Beckett had a few runs last year where he pitched to under a 3 ERA, bracketed by huge blow ups and poor outings.

  89. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 12:08 am

    Beckett has not been inconsistent. He was hurt in 2010 and before that going back to 2005 in Florida he won 15, 16, 20, 12 and 17 games. His problem is injuries not talent. When he’s on he is a number one and and I don’t look forward to facing a healthy Beckett.

  90. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:08 am

    You do wonder why

    You do wonder why Scoscia left the kid in there when it was appaarent that he wasn’t getting the calls and had to throw 5 strikes to get an out and his pitch count was high. He definitely played with fire.

  91. ac1 April 22nd, 2011 at 12:09 am

    sox are keeping anaheim in the game.

  92. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:10 am

    Jerkface, he’s done that more than once.

  93. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 12:11 am

    I am realistic not a five year old.

  94. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:11 am

    that big fat steroided pig cries about every strike three call he gets. I hope he drowns in his milkshakes.

  95. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 12:12 am

    You should talk – no one goes on and on about the same thing day after day after day after day. Bla bla bla the Sox suck, they are ugly and fat and you hate them. Bla bla bla.

  96. UnKnown April 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 am

    So Aceves got sent back down, huh, That was quick.

  97. Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 am

    Is being injured often somehow not related to inconsistency? Well I guess we can just wait for his annual injury to somehow cause him to pitch poorly…

  98. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 12:14 am

    Did I call it? There you have real baseball intellect, “the big fat steroided pig”.

  99. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:15 am

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  100. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 12:16 am

    Is that really the case Jerkface? From 2005 through 2009 Beckett started 29, 33, 30, 27 and 32 games.

  101. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:18 am

    Jerkface why do you bother? We know you’re right about Beckett’s erratic patterns. Leave it at that.

  102. ac1 April 22nd, 2011 at 12:18 am

    what were his ERAs in those years?

  103. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 12:19 am

    You don’t know jack.

  104. ac1 April 22nd, 2011 at 12:19 am

    ohhhhh Torii.

  105. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:19 am

    HARDEE HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR F’N HAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  106. ac1 April 22nd, 2011 at 12:20 am

    We get it, a healthy Beckett is real valuable and he is capable of it….

    But he is also capable of the opposite.

  107. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:22 am

    Oh gee ac1, you thinking that run support could account for a lot of that?

    :D

    jackasses don’t count on probing questions.

  108. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 12:22 am

    His ERA was 3.37 – 5.01 – 3.27 – 4.03 – and 3.86.

    I didn’t say he was the next coming of Cy Young, but when healthy he often has dominating stuff. We were taking about injuries and consistency.

  109. yankeefeminista April 22nd, 2011 at 12:23 am

    lol :)

  110. Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 12:23 am

    Is that really the case Jerkface? From 2005 through 2009 Beckett started 29, 33, 30, 27 and 32 games.

    You said the injury causes his inconsistency, but Beckett was bad BEFORE and AFTER his DL stint in 2010. He was bad in 05. He had a trending upward HR rate in 08 and 09. Basically, if he isn’t ‘on’ he is going to get shellacked, and lately he has been off more than on.

  111. ac1 April 22nd, 2011 at 12:24 am

    I agree Beckett is more good than bad, though i absolutely hate him.
    But i feel like i remember him having nagging injuries in the last 3 years, missing at least a few starts and struggling vs. the Yankees.

  112. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 12:25 am

    ac1 April 22nd, 2011 at 12:20 am

    We get it, a healthy Beckett is real valuable and he is capable of it….But he is also capable of the opposite.

    ************

    Exactly I agree. Any pitcher is no matter how good. Halladay and King Felix have had some real stinkers so far this year.

  113. Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 12:25 am

    His ERA was 3.37 – 5.01 – 3.27 – 4.03 – and 3.86.

    I didn’t say he was the next coming of Cy Young, but when healthy he often has dominating stuff. We were taking about injuries and consistency.

    Becketts stuff is good, so is Burnetts. Its no surprise they have similar career ERAs. He doesn’t have dominating seasons. He doesn’t pitch as many innings as guys like Halladay or Sabathia. His best season is the same as one of CC’s average seasons the past 6 years.

  114. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:29 am

    Rodney has great stuff but he can be so wild with it sometimes.

  115. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 12:30 am

    There was no upward home run trend in 08 unless you call going from 17 to 18 an upward trend. And he has given up 0 this year so far in 20 innings.

  116. yankeefeminista April 22nd, 2011 at 12:31 am

    A healthy Beckett is a contradiction in terms.

  117. Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 12:31 am

    Having good stuff isn’t a guarantee of success. Beckett’s decline was related to walking more guys, making his HRs more deadly and being prone to big innings.

    That Hunter bomb was the first HR beckett gave up this year and he is giving up 4.5 hits per /9 a completely unsustainable number. When he gets back closer to his career 8 h/9 and 1 hr/9, Beckett will start to have more blow ups. What decides if it is good beckett or bad beckett is how many and how bad they are/

  118. Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 12:32 am

    There was no upward home run trend in 08 unless you call going from 17 to 18 an upward trend. And he has given up 0 this year so far in 20 innings.

    1 more in 30 less innings… Do you know how baseball works?

    His HR rate went .8 .9 1.1 1.4

  119. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 12:32 am

    I hate Beckett – next to Schilling and Papelbum there is no one I dislike more. But, he’s not someone I want to face when he’s on as he has been this year. He can be dominating.

  120. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 12:34 am

    I know how baseball works – you play it on a field, not on a spreadsheet. Go watch the game Beckett threw against us this year again and tell me about home run trends in 2008. Silly.

  121. ac1 April 22nd, 2011 at 12:36 am

    rodney sucks

  122. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 12:36 am

    In any event, he’s been good so far – we’ll see if he stays healthy or not and how he performs. We will benefit greatly if he has a poor year as you seem to think he will healthy or not — in this case I hope you are right. ‘Nuff said.

  123. UnKnown April 22nd, 2011 at 12:36 am

    Rodney is flipping blue tips all over the field right now. What a Gas Can!!

  124. Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 12:37 am

    You clearly don’t, citing counting stats without recognizing how they were achieved.

  125. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:39 am

    See what I mean? He’s got some filthy stuff, but he’s crazy wild…

  126. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:40 am

    They just showed Rodney was jobbed strike two.

  127. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 12:41 am

    Same old song and dance Jerkface. I know you think stats are the backbone of baseball. I don’t. Becket’s home run trends in 2008 have jack squat to do with his performance in 2011.

  128. UnKnown April 22nd, 2011 at 12:41 am

    wow I think thats 14 lob now for the sux. Just atrocious

  129. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:41 am

    JUST WOW.

    Rodney pitching is a wild ride!

  130. UnKnown April 22nd, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Lucky for the Sux they have such a great offense, oh wait…

  131. Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Becket’s home run trends in 2008 have jack squat to do with his performance in 2011.

    So you had total faith in Hughes and Burnett then I take it?

  132. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:43 am

    :lol:

  133. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:43 am

    “Lucky for the Sux they have such a great offense, oh wait…”

    :lol:

  134. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:44 am

    Hope that loser gives up another bomb.

  135. Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 12:45 am

    I don’t know how you can follow baseball if you base all your opiniond on ‘what have you done for me lately’.

  136. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 12:46 am

    Damn

  137. Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 12:46 am

    Angels stupid baserunning bites them again. AL west is full of bad base runners.

  138. Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Fundamental Mike Scoscia team makes first out at third, baseball no no.

  139. Ghostwriter April 22nd, 2011 at 12:48 am

    Stupid waste of a nice hit.

  140. UnKnown April 22nd, 2011 at 12:57 am

    I don’t ever remember Scutaro trying to go Julio Franco with his batting stance before. Looks really weird.

  141. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 1:08 am

    I don’t care how long this has to go as long as the Sux end up taking the pipe.

  142. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 1:16 am

    Nice pitching.

  143. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 1:25 am

    Night all. Fingers crossed.

    :)

  144. Vineyard Yankee April 22nd, 2011 at 1:31 am

    1st and 3rd with 0 outs. Need some help here.

  145. Carl April 22nd, 2011 at 1:32 am

    Really smart pitching to A-Gon with Scutaro behind him.

  146. Vineyard Yankee April 22nd, 2011 at 2:48 am

    Suw win 4 -2 in 11. Damn. :-(

  147. RhapsodyInBlue April 22nd, 2011 at 6:25 am

    Looks like Uncle Sam’s top hat to me.

    Samuel Wilson from Troy, NY (Uncle Sam) and that hat have been around for a long time.

  148. Fran the original April 22nd, 2011 at 7:19 am

    Good morning.

    Looking forward to seeing CC’s 1st win tonight.

  149. MTU April 22nd, 2011 at 7:28 am

    Morning Fran.

    Have you heard anything from Doreen ?

  150. Fran the original April 22nd, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Good morning MTU.

    Sent you an email.

  151. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 7:49 am

    Jim Kaat on the radio this morning. Says he thinks that the dead arm period for a lot of guys may be leaking into the season because they don’t throw enough innings in ST. Says that period should happen in ST but that you have to get enough work there for it to happen. Makes sense.

  152. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Blake, but this is more than a dead arm……….dead arm usually just lasts a few days and is not accompanied by a major drop in velocity.

  153. pat April 22nd, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Good morning.

    Melky with the walk off again last night so a couple of weeks into the season and he has 2 already.

    People like to talk about the deficiencies in his game but Yankee fans have always used the game on the line, who do you want at the plate question and based on track record, I’d take Melky over lots of guys with more talent.

  154. Mell April 22nd, 2011 at 8:19 am

    “Melky with the walk off again last night so a couple of weeks into the season and he has 2 already”

    I believe he and his Royals are the only team not to lose a series so far this season, though that will be tested w/ a trip to Arlington, TX this weekend.

  155. upstate kate April 22nd, 2011 at 8:37 am

    good morning all
    is it still Betsy, or do we call you “Nails” now?

    YAY for Melky, I have him on my fantasy team. He and Jonny Gomes have been good for me.

  156. austinmac April 22nd, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Joel Sherman’s blog reports that Cashman said Hughes came to camp overweight and was sent to the Yankees’ fat farm. One would presume being out of shape, weakens the body. Is that the main factor or is it irrelevant(considering Colon, Wells etc.)?

  157. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Kate, you can call me Nails, lol – later!

  158. Jason Voorhees April 22nd, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Melky can go to hell. He and the royals cost me a save and inflated my era.

    In reality, good for the melkman.

  159. Mell April 22nd, 2011 at 8:46 am

    “Melky can go to hell. He and the royals cost me a save and inflated my era”

    Me too, but no reason not to be happy for the guy.

  160. joeman April 22nd, 2011 at 8:48 am

    as stated here many of times by many…Josh Beckett seems to be all done

  161. Joe from Long Island April 22nd, 2011 at 8:50 am

    blake – Jim Kaat always makes a lot of sense about pitching.

    The way the light just seemed to come on for Beckett, in that Yankee game, and how he has pitched since then makes me think that Pat M. and his scout buddies are onto something about Beckett finally getting an injection into his hurting back, allowing him to throw pain-free. We’ll see how long it lasts, a few weeks, and what happens subsequently.

  162. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Joeman – remember how in spring training when folks like you and I gave boston the edge over us in the starting pitching department and the retort was that Beckett was a wash with Burnett at best?

    Comical. Where are all those folks?

  163. MTU April 22nd, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Austin-

    Possible causes of Hughes problem :

    1 Not enough ST innings

    2 Coming into camp out of shape

    3 Throwing too many cutters

    4 Innings overhang from last season

    5 Mechanical difficulties

    6 Injury

    7 Any, or all of the above

    :)

  164. yanks61 April 22nd, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Pat, I could be wrong, but I think over the course of his career, we’re going to see Melky’s “clutch” hits level off. On the hand, look at guys like Bobby Richardson whose career stats include a .266 BA and .299 OBP. Then look at his WS stats – .305/.331, with a .367 BA/.387 OBP in the 1960 WS and .387/.391 in the 61 WS. There’s no way to predict this stuff.

    Same goes for Hoss Clarke who broke up at least 2, maybe 3 no-hitters in the late innings, yet overall had a .256 BA and .308 OBP.

    Richardson was a decent little player, especially defensively. Clarke was little better than mediocre, yet both came up big, at various times, in the “clutch.” Maybe they were just beating the law of averages over a relatively small sample size?

    Frankly, I think this “clutchness” business is exaggerated, though I would guess there are exceptions. I just don’t see Melky as having a very high ceiling at this point. Maybe he should be a pinch-hitting specialist, held in reserve for those big moments in games!

  165. Jason Voorhees April 22nd, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Exactly. Hope he gets more of them provided they arent against the yankees.

  166. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:01 am

    aj and beckett have been equals for several years now, so three weeks where one was really good and one was pretty good doesnt exactly break the pattern…

  167. Mell April 22nd, 2011 at 9:01 am

    “Joeman – remember how in spring training when folks like you and I gave boston the edge over us in the starting pitching department and the retort was that Beckett was a wash with Burnett at best?”

    Wouldn’t tear my rotator cuff patting myself on the back just yet, Carlo. Small sample sizes all around…for both teams. Too early to say what’s what at this point.

  168. pat April 22nd, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Equally silly to award Beckett the Cy Young now as it was to write him off a month ago.

  169. 108 stitches April 22nd, 2011 at 9:03 am

    blake April 22nd, 2011 at 7:49 am
    Jim Kaat on the radio this morning. Says he thinks that the dead arm period for a lot of guys may be leaking into the season because they don’t throw enough innings in ST. Says that period should happen in ST but that you have to get enough work there for it to happen. Makes sense.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Jim Kaat is correct. Too many pitchers not expected to make the team are given innings that should be used for the ones that need the work.
    ST for minor leaguers should be started 10 days sooner.

  170. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:05 am

    the funny thing is carlo wants to use 3 weeks as a basis for saying beckett is better, but ignores the fact that for those same three weeks his ‘giving the socks the edge” is dismissed.
    the sample size is the same so if you want to claim you were right about beckett, you have to also concede that you were wrong giving boston the edge.

  171. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Betsy,

    I wasn’t specifically referencing that to Hughes….just in general.

    Joeman,

    Very early in the season. He’s always been good when he’s healthy…..he’s never healthy an entire season anymore and those chronic back issues usually crop up and throw his mechanics out of whack. It’s 3 good starts….he’s done that plenty of times even in years he has struggled

  172. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Mell – I won’t tear my rotator cuff. Who are you more confident in having a good season this year, Hughes, burnett, or beckett?

  173. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:07 am

    kaat may know some things, but hughes came in to camp early and threw, then got plenty of ST innings. he didnt lose any innings to minor leaguers either.

    kaats point may hold for others having velocity issues, but not for hughes.

  174. Mell April 22nd, 2011 at 9:08 am

    “aj and beckett have been equals for several years now, so three weeks where one was really good and one was pretty good doesnt exactly break the pattern”

    Pretty much. Based on FIP (Burnett 3.94, Beckett 3.67), xFIP (Burnett 3.76, Beckett 3.58) and WAR (Burnett 31.6 in 280 starts, Beckett 34.1 in 250), Beckett has been the slightly better pitcher over their resepective careers.

  175. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Ys – all I’m saying is that beckett waas dismissed by many here as being “done”. Three weeks shows he’s not “done”. And regardless of what the numbers says right now, through 3 weeks, I’ll still take bostons staff. More quality starts, more front line starters. Its ok to have logical opinions while still being a yankee fans.

  176. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Joe,

    wouldn’t surprise me if he did have an injection to anti-inflammatize the area :)

  177. Mell April 22nd, 2011 at 9:11 am

    “Mell – I won’t tear my rotator cuff. Who are you more confident in having a good season this year, Hughes, burnett, or beckett?”

    Not wildly confident about any of ‘em, but right now I’d take Hughes out of the equation til they know what his issues are. As for Beckett and Burnett, if both are healthy my answer is Beckett without question. That said, I think the chances of Burnett making 30+ starts are considerably stronger than Beckett’s.

  178. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:14 am

    according to the nytimes, since aug. 12th of last year (the day granerson started employing his new swing, the home run leaders in baseball are 1)tulowitzky, 2) bautista and then 3) granderson.

  179. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Mell – I’m not arguing he won’t get hurt or that risk doesn’t exist. He’s not hurt though and it was a silly argument that was being made in the spring that basically centered around him not being healthy so he stunk.

  180. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 9:15 am

    I think Burnett is healthier overall than Beckett and I like how he’s throwing the ball. Over the entire season I’d probably bet that AJ and Beckett end up with similar numbers……with AJ being better if Beckett gets hurt.

    Carlo,

    I don’t think many if any people here were saying Beckett was done…the theme was that he was terrible last year and it was a leap to suggest that he’d just bounce back and be great this year for a full season.

    He’s been really good for 3 weeks…..can he sustain it and can his back and shoulder hold up?……that’s the big question.

  181. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 9:15 am

    I only threw hughes in the mix because most called him the #2 starter in our rotation coming into the season. Although beckett started their 4th game, calling him the #2 starter now is certainly appropriate.

  182. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:18 am

    i think we’re gonna see ‘bad josh’ just like we all know we are going to see ‘bad aj’ at some point in the not-too-distant future.

  183. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 9:20 am

    I’m not saying beckett is the next cy young…..I’m merely saying that this was my concern. He has the stuff to be dominant and a 2nd #1 starter for them for extended periods of time…..a season even…..Burnett does as well, but its obvious he has more issues putting things together and has never been that guy barring his walk year in toronto where he brought it more often than not.

    Funny to me that when we signed burnett he was a “major injury risk”. Now he is almost considered durable.

  184. Joe from Long Island April 22nd, 2011 at 9:21 am

    The discussion here about Beckett, AJ, and Hughes, and how they are doing now and how they will over the course of 162 – This is why predictions are tough, and ya gotta play the games…..

    With individual exceptions, injuries and health issues are probably the biggest reason why players performances vary over the course of the season. And, it’s a long season.

  185. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:28 am

    it changes constanly. just like with granderson, he was sucking wind most of last year, now he’s an mvp candidate. it can happen with hughes, or bucholz or whoever. 3 weeks isnt much to go on with a hitter and even less with SP’s.

  186. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 9:36 am

    YS – I’m not saying 3 weeks have told us everything, merely pointing out that if beckett continues to throw like this, and that’s a big if, its a problem for us. Boston fans aren’t worried about burnett or hughes continuing to do what they have done so far.

  187. pat April 22nd, 2011 at 9:40 am

    The Burnett/Beckett discussion may come down to the grass is greener……… Both have had flashes of brilliance mixed in with lots of head scratching. I wouldn’t bet the mortgage money on either.

  188. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Pat – nor would I bet the mortgage money on either. If my comments read differently then I didn’t properly convey my thoughts.

  189. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Beckett and Burnett are similar pitchers but achieve it in different ways. Beckett is better when he’s 100% and at his best……he just has trouble being that pitcher all the time.

    If he can sustain his current performance the entire season then yes….it makes the Red Sox rotation significantly better. It’s yet to be seen if he can do that.

    I really like what I’ve seen from AJ early this season….his stats don’t really show it but his stuff looks more crisp than it has in quite awhile. 2 of his starts he pitched very well and then was left in a couple batters too long….if that doesn’t happen his numbers look much better right now.

  190. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 am

    you gotta wonder how peter angelos got so rich because everything baseball related that he touches turns to crap. i know there were questions about d. lee, but nobody expected a .550 OPS. vlad is also doing nothing. i expect the warm weather will help vlad, but they sunk $15M into those guys for this season and they have to be worried that it all went down the crapper (again)

  191. austinmac April 22nd, 2011 at 9:50 am

    MTU,

    I say out of shape and too many cutters. But, then again, what do I know?

    I wonder if they do radar gun the bullpen sessions. Surely, that is information they would want.

    Less than three months until RMNP. Can’t wait, especially since summer is seemingly coming early.

  192. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:52 am

    angelos was a labor lawyer who turned to class-action suits and represented maryland vs. phillilp morris, btw…

  193. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Blake – agree re AJ, the overall line for the season to date isn’t representative of the starts he has had. Really need to look at inning by inning lines to demonstrate his effectiveness. For example, the gem he threw where he gave up the two two run homers in the 6th or 7th after a very strong start.

  194. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:55 am

    so if you are a longtime marlboro smoker you can take pride in the fact that a chunk of your wasted money also went to destroying our formerly fiercest rival, the orioles… :)

  195. Tom in N.J. April 22nd, 2011 at 9:58 am

    The O’s made out like bandits when MLB moved the Expos to D.C. They gets majority ownership in the Nats T.V. station and a guaranteed revenue of 130 million per year.

  196. 108 stitches April 22nd, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Beckett vs. Burnett can be discussed for days but their surrounding casts are not the same.
    I’ll take the Yankees depth and flexibility any day of the week.
    When crunch time comes, the Yankees have trading chips to use. Boston has little to use unless they’re content with getting a mediocre player.

  197. Joe from Long Island April 22nd, 2011 at 10:07 am

    YsGuy – I think Vlad and Derrick Lee are the latest examples of older ballplayers in the non-amphetamine era.

  198. Joe from Long Island April 22nd, 2011 at 10:08 am

    TominNJ – that is one heck of a deal. Talk about being in the right time and place.

  199. ac1 April 22nd, 2011 at 10:11 am

    YsGuy – I think Vlad and Derrick Lee are the latest examples of older ballplayers in the non-amphetamine era.

    __

    Dont know about Vlad. He is just getting older, but had a good year last year.
    Lee is a different story.

  200. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 10:16 am

    108 – I agree re the trading chips, but having trading chips and executing deals are very different things. Also, having trading chips and having needs that are available in the trade market are what’s more important.

  201. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:18 am

    vlad has always been streaky and also iirc he’s a slow starter. but it seems like his good streaks have been getting shorter and shorter and his down streaks longer and longer. still i expect when we are in baltimore in july or august, he will rake.

  202. charlestonchew April 22nd, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Reading these comments and as an outside observer who posts *maybe* once a week but reads comments every day, I must say, trishia, you are out of line. Calm down. Let people disagree with you and stop getting so confrontational.

    Beckett is a good pitcher and that’s true whether or not he’s on the Red Sox.

  203. pat April 22nd, 2011 at 10:23 am

    I would have left him in Tampa….

    DAVIDprice14 We waited for him to get it…got in at like 3:30 am RT @bkb66: @DAVIDprice14 what happens because of Longoria forgetting his passport?

  204. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 10:23 am

    “the funny thing is carlo wants to use 3 weeks as a basis for saying beckett is better, but ignores the fact that for those same three weeks his ‘giving the socks the edge” is dismissed.
    the sample size is the same so if you want to claim you were right about beckett, you have to also concede that you were wrong giving boston the edge.”

    :)

    Those of us who know and love Beckett well – that is those of us who have watched him since he’s been with the Sux – know he is capable of disintegrating as quickly as he rises. I’m counting on that happening again. I have no fear of Beckett.

    On the other hand, anyone trying to compare Beckett and Burnett would do well to remember a major difference in the two and therefore should probably stop trying to compare them, for this season anyway.

    Burnett has reinvented himself. He has a new delivery and a new confidence. Burnett has made some changes. Beckett has not. Throw your comparisons out the window. It’s a new day.

    I’d take the Yankees rotation every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Give me CC, AJ, Garcia, Colon, and Nova. Are you kidding me? The real wild card in that bunch is Nova. You have four battle-tested pros!!! Now look at Lester, Chucky, Lackey, Beckett, and DiceK?

    I rest my case.

    :)

  205. charlestonchew April 22nd, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Come on, guys. Beckett is better than Burnett. This isn’t even a question. Sure, Beckett can be erratic, but he’s been an ace for a long time and put up Cy Young type numbers. AJ’s never done that.

  206. pat April 22nd, 2011 at 10:29 am

    “Burnett has reinvented himself. He has a new delivery and a new confidence. Burnett has made some changes. Beckett has not. ”

    If Beckett’s issue has been the health of his back, and his back is healthy now. That’s his adjustment.

    May not stay that way but…..no guarantee Bad AJ is gone for good instead of gone for now either.

    As my grandmother used to say…..Wishing doesn’t make it so.

  207. Giuseppe Franco April 22nd, 2011 at 10:30 am

    The numbers Beckett have compiled the last 3-4 years are almost exactly the same as Burnett.

    But Beckett tends to get the benefit of the doubt because of his postseason success earlier in his career.

    That contract extension he signed last season is going to turn out to be a dud. He shows flashes of brilliance at times but he’s not that same pitcher consistently.

  208. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 10:31 am

    “I must say, trishia, you are out of line.”

    :D

    Seriously? Gee I read the TOS here and didn’t see anything that said I had to post a certain way or agree with your take on life.

    I could say that you are out of line telling me to calm down and how to post, but you know where that would lead. You’re out of line, no YOU’RE out of line, no YOU’RE OUT OF LINE!

    I just don’t have time to keep that going.

    Not everyone agrees with your take on Beckett by the way. So maybe you need to do a little more investigating before you tell people the way things are, hey? Or read a lot more carefully. I won’t reiterate what I KNOW to be the case about Beckett but I will say you have mischaracterized what I said.

    I am guessing you wouldn’t be telling me how to post if, say, you had agreed with the take on Beckett.

    I don’t tell you how to post or what to think. So calm down and don’t be telling me how to post.

    Have a nice day now.

  209. Madrugador April 22nd, 2011 at 10:32 am

    We’ve heard a lot of talk of Banuelos, Betances and Brackman but Graham Stonebruner at Trenton is pitching to a 1.69 ERA through three starts. Is he the real deal?

  210. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 10:34 am

    I think Vlad’s approach is hurting him now that he’s older and is losing bat speed. It’s hard to hit and swing at everything when you’re his age….he got away with it when he was younger and had unbelievable ability.

    Probably too late to teach the old dog new tricks though at this point….he’ll still likely mash mistakes but pitchers should seriously never throw him a strike when they are ahead in the count…..get ahead and then bounce curveballs until he waves at one.

  211. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Move to Boston and confront your inner demons.

  212. 86w183 April 22nd, 2011 at 10:37 am

    AJ 113-100 4.00, 1.323 WHIP, 8.2 K/9

    JB 114-75 3.92, 1.236 WHIP, 8.5 K/9

    Advantage Beckett, but not by a ton

  213. austinmac April 22nd, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Trisha,

    I simply hope Beckett is on a short run of good pitching. If he did recently get an injection in his back, that relief may only last weeks.

    I do think you are a teensy weensy optimistic on the rotation. I strongly believe they must add a quality starter or the team will be in trouble.

    The Yankees must win their share of low scoring games. They can’t score 5 or more every game.

  214. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:41 am

    charleston, since there ‘isnt even a question’ which is better perhaps you can sort this out:

    last 3 years:

    pitcher b1 34-22 4.40 era, 1.69 whip
    pitcher b2 41-34 4.42 era, 1.41 whip

    now which one is so much better that there ‘isnt a question’?

    the answer is obviously neither.

  215. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 10:43 am

    If both are 100% healthy and it’s game seven who do you want on the mound Beckett or Burnett if you are a generic major league manager. Try to answer impartially and not through a pinstripe prism.

  216. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 10:46 am

    YsGuy – that’s the problem looking only at stats – you’re not taking into account Becketts injuries. Burnett has been injury free. I think when you compare players one should do it with health factored in.

  217. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 10:49 am

    “If both are 100% healthy and it’s game seven who do you want on the mound Beckett or Burnett if you are a generic major league manager. Try to answer impartially and not through a pinstripe prism.”

    Beckett but that is reliant on Beckett’s biggest weakness being a non-issue…..which is him actually being 100%. I think most everyone would agree that Beckett’s best is better…..but that really makes no difference in real baseball games when other factors are involved.

  218. Mell April 22nd, 2011 at 10:50 am

    “Burnett has reinvented himself. He has a new delivery and a new confidence.”

    Same numbers.

  219. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:51 am

    wcyf, you are off base. we were talking about who is the better pitcher now. injuried DO count into that. and as you can see, for the past 3 seasons, beckett has not been any better than burnett. past WS glory has faded and beckett is not that guy any more. whether that is b/c of injuries, solar wind or vodoo curses doesnt matter.

  220. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 10:52 am

    “I do think you are a teensy weensy optimistic on the rotation. I strongly believe they must add a quality starter or the team will be in trouble.”

    austinmac, see I don’t think I’m being optimistic on the rotation. I think I am being realistic on the rotation. Totally realistic. And unless and until things change, my opinion will be the same. I will take CC, AJ, Garcia and Colon day and night night and day day and night. Are you kidding me? You have the makings of a damned dynasty there!

    I did say Nova is the wild card. But if we can get good production out of 1-4, we can afford to have Nova slip and slide a little if he does.

    All I did was compare the two rotations, by the way.

    The Suxers have Lackey and DiceK as total wild cards. We also are not sure what Chucky has to offer. Lester hasn’t been impeccable either. At this point their seeming reliable starters would be Lester and Beckett.

  221. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 10:52 am

    “you’re not taking into account Becketts injuries. Burnett has been injury free. I think when you compare players one should do it with health factored in.”

    yes….in the negative column for Beckett not the positive. His injuries are for the most part chronic in nature…meaning they are always there but the symptoms present differently at different times.

  222. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 am

    “Same numbers.”

    Same numbers as what?

  223. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Mell,

    I think you’d agree that AJ has pitched better than his numbers this year….I’m not ready to call him a new man or anything like that but I have been encouraged by how he’s looked so far.

  224. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 10:54 am

    “yes….in the negative column for Beckett not the positive. His injuries are for the most part chronic in nature…meaning they are always there but the symptoms present differently at different times.”

    Bingo. And the very reason Beckett has the ability to implode on a moment’s notice. His rhythms are a rollercoaster.

  225. Wave Your Hat April 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 am

    “I think you’d agree that AJ has pitched better than his numbers this year”

    Sometimes yes, but last game he pitched worse than his numbers. As far as I’m concerned the jury’s still out and I am continuing to keep my fingers crossed.

  226. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Beckett’s issue has been a lot more than the health of his back. He has had a number of body parts injured.

    “May not stay that way but…..no guarantee Bad AJ is gone for good instead of gone for now either.

    As my grandmother used to say…..Wishing doesn’t make it so.”

    Yeah, and as the bible says, the faith of a mustard seed can move mountains.

  227. AldotheApache April 22nd, 2011 at 11:00 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan says:
    April 22, 2011 at 10:46 am
    Burnett has been injury free. I think when you compare players one should do it with health factored in.

    —————

    Wrong, as always.

  228. Bad Scooter April 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 am

    .157 .234 .243

    or

    .273 .322 .691

    Hmmmm.

  229. G. Love April 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 am

    If we’re talking both are 100% healthy, I take Beckett. That said, Beckett’s run right now could be built on pain killers/epidurals and if he can’t keep that up or injures himself because he can’t feel the back pain, he’ll be toast.

    I trust Pat M. and the scouts he knows who all intimated that Beckett is dealing with a serious back issue.

    AJ doesn’t have the consistency and he doesn’t close out games where he needs to put his foot on the opponents throat with a lead. Too often, AJ comes out and gives the lead right back.

    But AJ has been good enough this season and I hope he gets a dominant stretch. The stuff is there this year. I believe in him again.

  230. stuckey99 April 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 am

    You needn’t be a licensed psychologist to know claiming to not be “afraid” or concerned with something and talking about it to the point of fixation are incongruent with one another.

    “Hate” is rooted in fear. Arguing this is futile.

    The Rex Sox are only one team of a larger group of 4/13/29 the Yankees have to contend with on a yearly basis, and the Rays have been the team that has put up stronger fight the last 3 seasons, including so far, this one.

    Say all you want about the “rivalry” in a defense, but whichever way one’s fixation on the Red Sox manifests itself (anger, ridicule, hate, concern), it all comes from the same well.

    Frankly, I think some Yankee fans could use to show some pride and confidence and NOT make this a Red Sox sub-forum, whether it’s to spit on their grave or dissect their roster daily.

  231. Mell April 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 am

    I think you’d agree that AJ has pitched better than his numbers this year

    =============

    Not so much his last start, but in general, yes I do agree. Not the extent that many others seem to, however. Too early to tell, but his small 2011 sample size (averaging less than 6 IP per start, 4+ ERA, 1.4+ WHIP, 4 BB per 9) looks a lot more like a combination of his 1st couple seasons with the team (less than 6 IP per start, 4+ ERA, 1.4+ WHIP and 4 BB per 9) than people may want to admit.

  232. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:05 am

    I have absolutely no reason to believe that Beckett will remain healthy. I saw him rollercoaster the last three seasons and he is getting older not younger.

    I have absolutely no reason to believe that AJ will regress. He has changed his delivery and it seems he is dealing with a new level of confidence. Now, it may be the case and I just don’t know about it, but I haven’t seen AJ in the past with a change in motion and delivery that has seemed to reap good benefits, and a new confidence level. Had I seen this before and saw him regress, I would certainly be more cautious in my thinking about him.

    And so I wait and watch.

  233. mick April 22nd, 2011 at 11:07 am

    I don’t think AJ has reached his peak. He is just starting to look like a pitcher .
    Beckett seems to be on the decline, his better days behind him.
    Stuff wise they are similar, electric when on.
    If I had to gamble, would stick with AJ, only for the upside potential and injury free existence.

  234. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Stuckey still fixated on discussion about the Sux.

    It’s not going away so I’d suggest you just skip it as soon as you see it.

  235. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:08 am

    “I don’t think AJ has reached his peak. He is just starting to look like a pitcher .
    Beckett seems to be on the decline, his better days behind him.
    Stuff wise they are similar, electric when on.
    If I had to gamble, would stick with AJ, only for the upside potential and injury free existence.”

    Yes.

  236. Mell April 22nd, 2011 at 11:11 am

    So Burnett, at age 34, is going to peak anyday now, while Beckett, at age 30, should be picking out a plot and having his will prepared? That about cover it?

  237. G-C April 22nd, 2011 at 11:12 am

    The fact that AJ has become a durable pitcher (knock on wood) gives him an edge over Beckett right now.

    I feel perfectly confident banking on AJ for 190-210 innings this year. You couldn’t feel secure banking on 150 from Beckett.

    Beckett’s a better pitcher, but not by as much as everyone thinks, and AJ’s newfound durability is a huge plus.

    I’d expect them to put up similar numbers this season, and expect AJ to do it over more length.

  238. mick April 22nd, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Frankly, I think some Yankee fans could use to show some pride and confidence and NOT make this a Red Sox sub-forum, whether it’s to spit on their grave or dissect their roster daily.
    ================================================
    Frankly, I agree with you.
    While they would argue for freedom of speech, it is true that some use this forum to bash the sox, in theory it’s fine, but just as some who believe in Yankees love em or leave em, it gets tedious, childish and immature.

  239. stuckey99 April 22nd, 2011 at 11:13 am

    “It’s not going away so I’d suggest you just skip it as soon as you see it.”

    So long as we’re in agreement as to why it isn’t going away…

    Yankees are playing in BALTIMORE tonight, btw.

    Maybe a good pitching performance by Sabathia and the 7:05 start means some of you can actually see the end of the Yankees game before you tune over the Red Sox game.

  240. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 am

    “So Burnett, at age 34, is going to peak anyday now, while Beckett, at age 30, should be picking out a plot and having his will prepared? That about cover it?”

    It’s more about the state of Beckett’s health and how he has regressed because of it. And watching how Burnett has progressed.

    Anyway, the good thing about living in America is that everyone is free to think the way he or she wants. If that doesn’t work for you, stick with your own philosophy.

  241. stuckey99 April 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 am

    mick,

    I absolutely defend their right to work through their fears and worries here to whatever level they need to, as I defend by own right to comment on that.

  242. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Blake if you want to draw a conclusion about Beckett or any other pitcher that’s been hurt based on that, whether you would want him on your team or not, i.e. sign him to a contract. I have no disagreement with that at all. GM’s make that call all the time.

    My contention is simply that all things being equal health-wise, Burnett and Beckett are not the same caliber of pitchers. If and when Beckett is healthy and he has not been hurt for years and years, look at the number of games he’s started, he’s an ace. That’s all.

  243. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:15 am

    “Maybe a good pitching performance by Sabathia and the 7:05 start means some of you can actually see the end of the Yankees game before you tune over the Red Sox game”

    It’s always easier when their schedules don’t coincide.

  244. Bad Scooter April 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 am

    trisha, you are way, way, way too obsessed with the red sox. It’s supposed to be the other way around. I know you live closer that way and hate them like we all do, but 1/2 your posts, if not more, are about the sox.

  245. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:17 am

    “mick,

    I absolutely defend their right to work through their fears and worries here to whatever level they need to, as I defend by own right to comment on that.”

    :lol:

    A bit bi-polar since you said the opposite a few posts ago.

  246. ac1 April 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 am

    we are still on the Burnett vs. Beckett debate from last night?

    Yikes!

    Joe needs to get that lineup out to change the subject.

  247. mick April 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Frankly , the days of abject red sox hate have declined at the Stadium, a representative place to judge such things.
    The chants of Boston Sucks are few and far between. The fights have subsided. Even the back and forth arguing has declined.
    I don’t know the reason, maybe since they beat us once, their has emerged a new respect. Maybe their inferiority complex has gone away. It just seems to be passe.

  248. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 am

    “trisha, you are way, way, way too obsessed with the red sox. It’s supposed to be the other way around. I know you live closer that way and hate them like we all do, but 1/2 your posts, if not more, are about the sox”

    The geography is the killer.

    That and the fact that I have total faith in the Yankees.

  249. ac1 April 22nd, 2011 at 11:18 am

    trisha, you are way, way, way too obsessed with the red sox. It’s supposed to be the other way around. I know you live closer that way and hate them like we all do, but 1/2 your posts, if not more, are about the sox.

    ____

    Trish, you live in Boston?

  250. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:19 am

    “we are still on the Burnett vs. Beckett debate from last night?”

    No idea who brought it up but somebody day. I think disgruntled because some of us having shown enough respect for Beckett.

    :roll:

  251. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:21 am

    “Trish, you live in Boston?”

    ac1, in RI. But as you can imagine, it is a bastion of Sux support, from the projo right on down to the residents. There are definitely some Yankee fans, but fewer and further between. (My entire family root for the Sux.)

  252. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Mell,

    anything is better than last year so I’m being optimistic. Run those numbers again and take out the 4 earned that he gave up against Baltimore late in the game when he was left in too long. He’s given his team a chance to win in every start so far…..which is a vast improvement from what he was doing last year…that’s all I’m saying.

    WCYF,

    A Josh Beckett that has not been hurt for years and years doesn’t exist anymore though…I understand your point and yes Josh Beckett’s un-chronically injured best is better than AJ’s best……but that really doesn’t matter.

  253. stuckey99 April 22nd, 2011 at 11:25 am

    “A bit bi-polar since you said the opposite a few posts ago.”

    i said nothing of the sort. Since you didn’t comprehend what I said, let me use simpler words.

    I defend people’s rights and freedom to say what they like, even if I find what they say ridiculous and somewhat pathetic.

    I think people should CHOOSE not be be fixated with the Red Sox (which I am suggesting they do), and not have it forced upon them.

    Understand?

  254. YankeesNmore April 22nd, 2011 at 11:25 am

    “…once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to hold a piece of history…”
    ———————————————————————
    Almost certain they are not going to let visitors HOLD Babe Ruth’s 1927 bat.

  255. mick April 22nd, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Growing up hating the sox does not equate to being a Yankee fan.
    Not that there is anything wrong with that.
    Being a baseball fan is fine.
    Just the fact that I can only watch complete Yankee games and have no interest in watching more than an inning here and there of other games is ,I guess, on a level with those who watch teams they hate with fervor.

  256. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Scooter, I liken it to the way some Yankee fans feel about the Mets – though not on the exact level since the Yanks don’t play the Mets so there is no need for continued to discussion. It’s called the most storied rivalry in sports for a reason, and I grew up with it. You people who don’t live around it don’t understand it on the same level. You know about it but you haven’t lived it every day of your lives, with a daily banter that is as much part of our lives here as getting up in the morning. Some people understand it, others don’t.

    I don’t understand the dislike of the Mets, in fact they don’t bother me at all, but I don’t begrduge anyone else that feeling. When we posted on the NY Times, there was at least as much on-going discussion about the Mets as there was about the Sux – if not more. I never attempted to tell posters they were too obssessed about the Mets, they shouldn’t be discussing the Mets, etc. I didn’t feel the same way, but I respected their right to feel that way and discuss ad nauseum. I just skipped over the posts.

  257. Bad Scooter April 22nd, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Anybody else keeping an eye on Dodger games like me because of Donnie Baseball?

  258. hardwired7 April 22nd, 2011 at 11:29 am

    My great grandfather came up with the idea of $45 parking. Hank and Hal can expect to hear from my lawyer soon.

  259. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 11:30 am

    I would like to take a moment to pat myself on the back for saying Freddy is better than Dice.

    Where are all those people is Carlo who said otherwise?? Comical.

  260. ac1 April 22nd, 2011 at 11:31 am

    ac1, in RI. But as you can imagine, it is a bastion of Sux support, from the projo right on down to the residents. There are definitely some Yankee fans, but fewer and further between. (My entire family root for the Sux.)

    ____

    Could be worse. I live in Boston, in the shadow of Fenway.

  261. ac1 April 22nd, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Anybody else keeping an eye on Dodger games like me because of Donnie Baseball?

    __

    Yep
    Im pulling for Yankees/Dodgers WS.

  262. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 11:32 am

    The mets are rarely relevant so the hatred for the Mets is dormant most of the time.

  263. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:35 am

    “Growing up hating the sox does not equate to being a Yankee fan.”

    Absolutely. You asked about it before and I told you about it before. I will tell you once again. And then truthfully, I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think. You don’t pay my bills so your opinion has zero effect.

    My mother grew up in New York. She was an avid Yankee fan. So was her father and her siblings. Her sister is my godmother. When they moved to RI, they didn’t stop being Yankee fans. I got taken to Yankee games all the time, with my godparents and my grandfather. My mother remained a Yankee fan. So I became a fan of the Yankees at a very young age and it never changed.

    You have said that every Yankee loss has an affect on you. I have a macro and not a micro perspective in life, and it works well with a baseball season. Additionally, I’ve never been a front runner, where if my team loses I lose interest. I am as much a fan of the Yankees when the lose games as when they win. I don’t get depressed by much in life, and Yankee losses don’t bother me. They are part of every season. I have faith that they will be there every postseason becauser I have faith in the Yankee organization.

    And yes I love the game of baseball and I love watching it. And I love rooting against the Sux and watching them lose. So kill me.

  264. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:36 am

    “Could be worse. I live in Boston, in the shadow of Fenway.”

    OMG. Have you always lived there? I’m sure then that you totally understand how I feel about the Sux.

  265. stuckey99 April 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Speaking of parking, haven’t parked at the Stadium in years, despite being from NJ.

    Here’s a thought. Since the garages are never full, has anyone tried “negotiating” with the attendees, either above the table or below it?

    Seems like a system ripe of taking advantage of – the abundance of space I mean.

  266. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 am

    blake April 22nd, 2011 at 11:23 am

    WCYF, A Josh Beckett that has not been hurt for years and years doesn’t exist anymore though…I understand your point and yes Josh Beckett’s un-chronically injured best is better than AJ’s best……but that really doesn’t matter.

    ********************

    It only came up in the context of how well Beckett has been doing this season — so far, and in comparison to Burnett. I don’t wish an injury on anyone, that’s poor sportsmanship but suffice it to say I hope Beckett’s good run is short lived and he get’s torched the rest of the year.

  267. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 am

    “I would like to take a moment to pat myself on the back for saying Freddy is better than Dice.

    Where are all those people is Carlo who said otherwise?? Comical.”

    :D

    I don’t know how to do the cross out.

  268. ac1 April 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Anybody else keeping an eye on Dodger games like me because of Donnie Baseball?

    __

    Grew up in NJ, moved here in July.

  269. Bad Scooter April 22nd, 2011 at 11:39 am

    I definitely root against both teams. When the Mets collapsed a few years back in September I loved ever minute of it, eventhough Willie was the manager. My dislike of the Mets supercedes former Yankee managing. The main reason I don’t like the Mets is because they don’t like the Yankees either. The fans are so annoying on sports talk radio, especially if they have a decent team. This year not so much.

  270. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Bad Scooter, see, I don’t root against the Mets at all, but I can certainly understand how and why people would, especially those who live closer to the City. I don’t need to experience a situation in order to understand or respect it.

  271. Mell April 22nd, 2011 at 11:43 am

    “Could be worse. I live in Boston, in the shadow of Fenway”

    Don’t know what it’s like now, but in the mid 80′s into the 90′s when I was in school up there, the residents around Fenway were not big Red Sox fans. Lot of college kids, many of whom were from out of town and the permanent residents in the area were not generally baseball fans at all.

    On another note, I think $45 parking might have an idea stolen from the Red Sox.

  272. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:44 am

    ac1, my guess is that your hatred will grow exponentially as long as you continue to live there.

    :)

    And now I will do (hopefully it’s just some and not all of) you a favor and go about my daily business away from the forum! Truth be told, I am away from the forum more than I am on it.

    Have a good day all, even those of you who wish I would disappear for good.

    ;)

  273. ac1 April 22nd, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Trust me it has changed now up here. Everyone is so into the Sox.

    I told a story here a few weeks back about my Boston friends in a cab, talking about how the sox only got better and swore they would score 1200 runs this year. AND HE WAS SERIOUS!!!

    In the bars, everyone has sox hats on. I didnt even know people could wear baseball caps in bars.

  274. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Trisha

  275. stuckey99 April 22nd, 2011 at 11:47 am

    “And then truthfully, I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think. You don’t pay my bills so your opinion has zero effect.”

    This sort of defiance/bravado – the need to declare how one is unaffected by another’s opinion – is always very odd to see, considering this is by definition a discussion forum.

    The whole purpose is response/feedback. That’s by rule what you invite by posting anything here. It’s the whole point.

    Do some people come here just to reread their own words? To talk AT people, or to bask in agreement?

    I think it’s utterly assumed and an absolute given no one is personally affected by discussion here. That no one gets upset when someone says something critical of them.

    But to feel the need to voice this, as often as some do, in such a belligerent, un-self aware manner, strikes me as coming from a very immature place.

  276. Bad Scooter April 22nd, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Trisha – I’m sure I hate the sox just as much as you do. I just don’t spend as much time thinking about them as you do, but you live amongst sox fans so I see your point. Sure I have an eye on their games and hope they all fail like many around here. BTW, I’m in DC so I’m not near NY or Boston, but there does seem to be way too many sox fans down here.

  277. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 11:48 am

    mick April 22nd, 2011 at 11:13 am
    Frankly, I think some Yankee fans could use to show some pride and confidence and NOT make this a Red Sox sub-forum, whether it’s to spit on their grave or dissect their roster daily.
    ================================================
    Frankly, I agree with you.
    While they would argue for freedom of speech, it is true that some use this forum to bash the sox, in theory it’s fine, but just as some who believe in Yankees love em or leave em, it gets tedious, childish and immature.

    =================
    i totally agree with you guys, and ill go you one further. while i want the red socks to lose, just like i want the orioles, jays and devil rays to lose, i can appreciate thier good players and thier loyal fans.

    having lived in vermont i know alot of great red socks fans, true baseball fans who love the game as much if not more than any yankees fan i know.

    and i can appreciate the great play of guys like pedroia and youkilis (and damon and pedro) while simultaneously rooting for their opponent to beat them. and i can apreaciate the beauty of fenway park, too. i love baseball, baseball fans and baseball stadiums.

    now i want all those guys to lose while the yankees continue to win, not because i hate them or that i think they are rotten people, but because i want my team to win.

  278. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Woops that didn’t work.

    Cross out is how you would normally do bold or italic or whatever, but the command is strike.

  279. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 11:49 am

    I really hope CC can get in the win column tonight….he’s past due.

  280. pat April 22nd, 2011 at 11:49 am

    “I have absolutely no reason to believe that Beckett will remain healthy. I saw him rollercoaster the last three seasons and he is getting older not younger.”

    Would you make the same claim about Alex?

  281. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:52 am

    “This sort of defiance/bravado – the need to declare how one is unaffected by another’s opinion – is always very odd to see, considering this is by definition a discussion forum.”

    Dulwart, this same poster has questioned my Yankee “fandom” on a number of occasions. So perhaps you should MYOB rather than attempting to play forum psychologist. You do a sad job of it, by the way.

    And since my boredom level with your preaching is over the top, I might as well let you know I don’t give a rat’s ass about your opinion either.

    Contrast that with the fact that there are people here whose opinions do matter to me, despite the fact they don’t pay my bills. And they aren’t people who always readily agree with my takes on things.

    As WCF would say, dismissed!

  282. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 11:52 am

    YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 11:48 am

    i totally agree with you guys, and ill go you one further. while i want the red socks to lose, just like i want the orioles, jays and devil rays to lose, i can appreciate thier good players and thier loyal fans.

    having lived in vermont i know alot of great red socks fans, true baseball fans who love the game as much if not more than any yankees fan i know.

    and i can appreciate the great play of guys like pedroia and youkilis (and damon and pedro) while simultaneously rooting for their opponent to beat them. and i can apreaciate the beauty of fenway park, too. i love baseball, baseball fans and baseball stadiums.

    now i want all those guys to lose while the yankees continue to win, not because i hate them or that i think they are rotten people, but because i want my team to win.

    ***************

    I think that is a great post and sums it up perfectly in all respects.

  283. Mell April 22nd, 2011 at 11:52 am

    AC1:

    I was talking just about that specific neighborhood. Most of Boston and the surrounding subs were Sox crazy all around. I always got the impression those who lived around Fenway (off of Commonwelth and Boylston streets) wished the park were somewhere else 81 days/nights a year.

  284. Mike_Boston April 22nd, 2011 at 11:52 am

    What’s helped me deal with being a NYY fan in Boston is a big group of fellow fans watching the most important games together. In 09 for game 6 we had over 150 of us in a bar in Boston, it was awesome! Check it out, yes this is a Boston bar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtTXwNNuuLw

    What was really funny was watching some sox fans walk in and immediately walk out once they saw/heard all of us in there in one of ‘their’ bars.

  285. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:53 am

    “Would you make the same claim about Alex?”

    No, only because I heard that his doctor said that he is in better shape now than he has every been, due to the surgery he had.

  286. 86w183 April 22nd, 2011 at 11:55 am

    I dislike the Mets because I was a kid in The Bronx in the late sixties and all my friends jumped on the Mets bandwagon in 1969. I was disgusted they would switch loyalties and, of course blamed the Mets.

    The 1986 World Series was painful. It’s like finding out that one of the two women who dumped me was going to win the lottery. I just rooted for injuries.

  287. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 22nd, 2011 at 11:55 am

    And with that I will leave.

  288. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 11:56 am

    “Would you make the same claim about Alex?”

    Alex hasn’t had any horrible seasons and isn’t a pitcher……doesn’t mean Beckett’s injury history will show up again but that’s kinda apples and oranges.

  289. mick April 22nd, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Just immersing oneself in hate, for anything, is unhealthy.
    As one would get ridiculed for abject Yankee love here, that is, the mentality that the Yankees can do no wrong to the point of a love it or leave it mentality, one will get the same reaction for abject hate, sort of like a reverse troll.

  290. pat April 22nd, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Something ironic about this………Angels fans threw money at Carl Crawford yesterday and Sox fans are calling them “classless”.

  291. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    wcyf, thanks. are you in nocal or socal?

  292. stuckey99 April 22nd, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    “Contrast that with the fact that there are people here whose opinions do matter to me, despite the fact they don’t pay my bills.”

    Which makes the original bravado utterly irrelevant and non-sensical.

    On this note, another thing I find ridiculous: People who consistently claim they’re leaving the forum for the moment, and don’t.

  293. mick April 22nd, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    To a lesser degree, I will watch more of a red sox game, and with more interest, but only when they have a good team.
    If they present no threat to the Yankees my interest wains.
    Just as I would with any team that is a threat .
    To root against a team for the pure hatred of them is hard to fathom but is deep rooted so who am I to criticize, it just gets annoying to others is all.
    Misery does not love company.

  294. pat April 22nd, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    blake

    Alex’s numbers have been good but he has had serious surgery that other athletes have not come back well from and he is getting older so there are question marks that only time will answer.

    Where I was going with that is some people here answer every Yankee question in the negative and Sox in the positive and others take the exact opposite approach. IMO, somewhere in the middle lies the logic and common sense that is often missing around here.

  295. stuckey99 April 22nd, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    If I grew up in the Boston area and my father was a Red Sox fan, I’d be a Red Sox fan, no doubt in my mind.

    To claim Yankee fandom as some higher calling is dumb beyond words.

  296. yankeefeminista April 22nd, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    You can’t really compare Alex to Beckett. Beckett’s declining numbers each year show a trend downward. Alex had a down 2010 due to surgery but has a magnificent body of work the past 3 years preceding and ended well last year. Beckett hasn’t pitched consistently well since 2007. be it injury or decline. Therefore, the anomaly would be for Beckett to have a healthy year. not the inverse. Until Beckett shows he can be healthy and consistent, the anticipation will be that Beckett won’t ever be his pre-2007 self and will revert to form.

    As for living in New England, I went to college in Boston and grad school in RI, and spend time up in Newport every summer. You have to perhaps live up there to truly understand the rivalry. However, it is all good healthy fun. :)

  297. mick April 22nd, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    “Growing up hating the sox does not equate to being a Yankee fan.”

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