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And who appointed you judge and jury…and you know who you are.
Granderson
Swisher
Teixeira
A-Rod
Cano
Posada
Martin
Jeter
Gardner
I win.
$20 says Granderson puts one onto Lansdowne Street this series.
They really had to get Granderson more AB’s
Today marks the anniversary of both the birth and death of William Shakespeare.
Is this the day he was fabricated?
The way the Yanks are playing offensively right now, I’d put Swisher and Martin at the top of the lineup so people are on base when the inevitable HR is hit by Tex, ARod, Cano or Granderson.
hardwired7 April 22nd, 2011 at 3:41 pm
$20 says Granderson puts one onto Lansdowne Street this series.
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Granderson has a lot of power, but, nort eben Rodriguez can hit ‘em from Baltimore to Boston. (Eutaw Street?)
Edward de Vere died today?
but, ***not even***
Cano is hitting .300 with a .300 OBP
Take a walk, Cano!
(Eutaw Street?)
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there ya go! thnx GB7.
$20 says Granderson puts one onto Lansdowne Street this series.
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I’ll take that bet.
No problem, H-Wired. It’s so seldom that I get to do the correcting instead of being corrected, I have to revel in the triumph.
Jeter shouldn’t get the most AB’s.
But the drama that’ll come with the change, and the gigantic ego of Derek Jeter will stop that from happening.
The Captain should ALWAYS put the team first. He’s hurting the team hitting lead off.
Wish it wasn’t true, but that’s what happens to 36 year old shortstops. Even Derek Jeter.
Yankees have a lot of interesting batting lines
.314 .375 .608 .983 <– Martins a-rod impersonation
.259 .380 .638 1.018 <– April Tex!
.303 .309 .576 .885 <— 1 walk
.366 .491 .780 1.271 <— A-rod's barry bonds impersonation
.273 .377 .309 .686 <— Swishers lack of thump
.160 .276 .460 .736 <— Posada all thump
JF-
Swisher’s back to drawing walks, which is not a bad thing. He’ll get his HRs.
I’m all for the approach, Wave, I just thought the batting line was interesting to look at.
What does Posada have to do this year to be asked back next year?
Somehow I don’t think they will with Martin at C and Montero at BUC/DH.
The song for today. A weather song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOC7ztlc_o0
“I just thought the batting line was interesting to look at.”
JF-
Absolutely. So are these:
.219 .282 .234 .516
.128 .196 .191 .388
“What does Posada have to do this year to be asked back next year?”
I don’t think he can do anything.
Yanks will move on, like they did with Bernie Williams.
Posad could hit 35 HR’s and bat .200.
At least by hitting only HR’s Posada avoids pulling a hammy, in which case Montero comes up and takes his job.
@Chase
Like I said in the previous thread…then who leads off? Gardner’s been even worse. Grandy probably would have to then by default but he isn’t a prototypical leadoff guy.
Jeter won’t lead off all season if he continues to struggle. I won’t be surprised if he’s anywhere from 7-9 if he still isn’t hitting and getting on base in June. But it’s Apr. 22 and game 17. He gets more time than that. Coming out of ST Jeter wasn’t even going to lead off most games. Gardner was the leadoff guy vs. righties (which there are a lot more.of). But Gardner has been so bad that Jeter goes back to leading off every day for now.
Are the same people complaining about Jeter that did so about Cano and Teixeira…?How can anyone on the outside of the game know so much more than the professionals. And, by the way, professionals who have been altogether successful over the last decade and a half. Yes…?
.219 .282 .234 .516
.128 .196 .191 .388
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What is scary about these lines is that the bottom person has the same plate discipline so far… and more power
It looks like Grandy is being eased into the 2 spot.
Why isn’t Swisher the #2 hitter?
This could be the precursor to batting Grandy leadoff, esp. the next day Jeter is given off.
I think Posada retires after this season. Hopefully, he’ll do so as a 6-time World Series champion.
It looks like Grandy is being eased into the 2 spot. Why isn’t Swisher the #2 hitter? This could be the precursor to batting Grandy leadoff, esp. the next day Jeter is given off.
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Swish is the 2 hitter vs LH
“What is scary about these lines is that the bottom person has the same plate discipline so far… and more power”
Yes, because the bottom person occasionally hits the ball in the air. And what is scary about the top line is that it isn’t nearly even that good because of all the DPs.
If Jeter gets it together then he still should hit near the top of the lineup. He still should against lefties regardless because even last year he hit them very well. It’s still too early to give up on him…..give him some time to get comfortable with the changes he’s made and then evaluate things.
Jeter will get it going this series ……
@mick
Didn’t Girardi swap Grandy and Swisher in the 2 spot a lot last year? Swisher vs. Lefties, Grandy vs. Righties….
give him some time to get comfortable with the changes he’s made and then evaluate things.
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What? He has gone back to his old ways, no getting used to anything now.
Jeter had an OPS under .500 for the month of April in 2004. Slow starts happen….what is yet to be determined is if it’s a slow start or a carry over from last year and the start of actual decline. I know many here are positive its the latter but the Yankees are going to be patient and find out….as they should.
Chase April 22nd, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Jeter shouldn’t get the most AB’s.
But the drama that’ll come with the change, and the gigantic ego of Derek Jeter will stop that from happening.
The Captain should ALWAYS put the team first. He’s hurting the team hitting lead off.
Wish it wasn’t true, but that’s what happens to 36 year old shortstops. Even Derek Jeter.
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i agree, but there is not obvious leadoff man to take his place, and moving him, even if it’s jeter who asks for it, is going to make jeter THE STORY again, so its probably best right now to go forward as things are. if/when gardner starts to hit, maybe it becomes time to make a move, otherwise, they likely will wait till after he gets 3000 and maybe we look to pick up a leadoff guy.
he’s getting a long leash and things are going well overall so they can wait a bit longer.
Jerkface,
No he hasn’t totally. He’s mixed the two. I think all he said was that he wasn’t going to think about it anymore.
And what is scary about the top line is that it isn’t nearly even that good because of all the DPs.
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And so many infield hits
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Jeter isn’t hitting well.
In other news….
No he hasn’t totally. He’s mixed the two. I think all he said was that he wasn’t going to think about it anymore.
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If you look at video from early 2010 vs now, it looks the same. All long did was get rid of his stride. Now Jeter has abandoned that and to cover for him Long said he simply didn’t want Jeter striding across his body… but he is still doing that…
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......d=13990009
Look where his foot lands. He is tying himself up.
blake-
We all need to stay positive about Jeter because there’s no point being negative, he’s the shortstop and he’s going to be the shortstop for three years. And you’re right, not a lot of at bats yet. However, over his last 145 games he’s hitting .257 with 6 HRs, 25 2Bs, and a .336 SLG.
For any 36 year old, that’s worrying.
You’d think that every once in a while they’d mishandle or throw away one of Jeter’s ground balls, but no.
You’d think that every once in a while they’d mishandle or throw away one of Jeter’s ground balls
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How do you think he has gotten some infield hits?
Sorry, stuckey99, I didn’t mean to distract you from your dispute with YanksNMore.
How do you think he has gotten some infield hits?
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good point,
Millwood’s first start with Scranton has been washed out
“he’s the shortstop and he’s going to be the shortstop for three years.”
I don’t buy that line of thinking.
Jeter will be mostly untouched in 2011. He’ll be given the opportunity to get his 3000 hits, and then frankly IMO he’ll be playing for his job next year.
if his fundamentals don’t change for the better, Yankees aren’t going to trot him out there for the next 2 years.
They played chicken with him in the offseason and they’ll do it again.
They’ll foot the bill if he wants to stick around in a supporting role, but it’s his choice – collect his last dollar or walk away on his own terms.
I suspect he’d choose the latter, if things don’t get demonstratively better, which I’m personally expecting.
Jerkface,
I can’t look at the video right now…won’t load on my phone. However, the primary reason they eliminated the stride was to keep him from diving with his lead foot and blocking himself off to the inside pitch..
Wave,
it’s concerning yes….but what I don’t get is that some seem to want to be right about his demise more than they want to see him to turn things around. Also, the majority of those 145 games were last year….it’s well established that he struggled last year.
Wave,
I can multi-task.
However, the primary reason they eliminated the stride was to keep him from diving with his lead foot and blocking himself off to the inside pitch..
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I know, and I am saying that he is back to striding exactly as he did before… blocking himself off. That is the point of the video, its from Toronto and he is clearly striding towards the plate not the pitcher.
Say Jeter has a minor injury, misses a week or so and Gardy is in a platoon because he still isn’t hitting.
Who bats leadoff?
I say Granderson.
Now let’s say Grandy has a hot week or 2 and looks like our new leadoff guy.
That seems like the ideal way or opportunity to at least move Jeter down to 2nd or god forbid 6th.
Jeter has good AB’s against Ugando and Drabek the other night….which was encouraging to me. Really had nothing to show for it but those are the type guys that have given him trouble and he was able to square some pitches up
Jerkface,
I haven’t noticed him doing it as badly as last year…he had a bad game on Wednesday and was pounding it into the ground again, maybe a lapse.
That seems like the ideal way or opportunity to at least move Jeter down to 2nd or god forbid 6th
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Your 9 is upside down.
stuckey99-
If Jeter continues to sport a .500 OPS, no he won’t be the Yankee SS all three years.
But he won’t. As a rule 28% of ground balls are hits, so he could finish up hitting .260-.270 with not much power and keep his job, especially as there’s no one to replace him and he’s making a lot of money.
One more thing about Jeter, and he is akin to Mantle for me, in that I was in denial for Mick forever because he was always hurt and never all he could have been.
But.. he looks weak at the plate and in the field.
Not that I advocate steroids but, he is the poster child for the reason so many of these guys took that route and postponed the inevitable at ages where they know their skills were eroding.
Not that I advocate steroids but, he is the poster child for the reason so many of these guys took that route and postponed the inevitable at ages where they know their skills were eroding.
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What if Jeter was a user and was just smart enough to get off? Now he is off the drugs… and …
Your 9 is upside down.
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nice play.
What if Jeter was a user and was just smart enough to get off? Now he is off the drugs… and …
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most of them have some sort of injury
I wish Jeter were as declined as Mickey Mantle was in his last 2 years. More walks than K’s (213 walks to be exact!) and 40 HRs
Mantle 
“but what I don’t get is that some seem to want to be right about his demise more than they want to see him to turn things around.”
Well, that’s because of the normal human tendency to want to be proved right, even if what’s being proved right is an anonymous virtual persona.
Human nature is weird, isn’t it?
most of them have some sort of injury
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Jeter is chronically injured… the plot thickens
The point is, Jeter has ALWAYS said he wants to bat in the first inning. He even made a point to make that known a couple of weeks ago when he was on Francesa.
That is where his extraordinary ego comes in. He is hurting the team with his absolutely pitiful at-bats, doing nothing but smashing the ball into the ground right in front of the plate, hitting into a DP, or lining out swinging at the very first pitch.
He will NOT allow the Yankees to move him out of the 1-2 spot without a GIGANTIC fight. If you think otherwise, you’re incredibly naive.
He’s been the king of this town since he stepped onto the field for the first time.
It’ll be hard to remove the crown when he believes he should still have the throne.
I love everything about Derek Jeter and am wishing to everything he proves me wrong or reverts back to his old production.
But he’s 36 and not getting any quicker in the field or with his bat. Nature will always win.
Wave,
Perhaps. But I tend to find people are overlooking the 3000 thing. I think all bets are off after it is accomplished. I think giving Jeter the 3 years was the Yankees allowing him to save some face.
I mean if he repeats his 2010 this year, there’ll be a legitimate conversation about trotting him about again next year. if there is a true, viable alternative, I think it’ll get consideration.
But you never know what opportunity (for Jeter) may present itself.
3000, a 6th ring and a healthy PS run? Would be a opportune time for him to walk away.
i think trying to predict the next three years as it pertains to Jeter is a real shot in the dark.
jeter hasn’t had the knee and hip injuries users have had….he has had a chronic cough for 2 years now but that might just be nerves from dealing with kim jones.
If Jeter hits around .275 and plays a decent shortstop the last three years of his career that will be ok with me. He’s the captain and provides tremendous leadership and other intangibles that are invaluable. I bet if you asked his teammates that they would agree and then some. I don’t care what he is getting paid either, the Yankees can afford it.
If Jeter hits around .275 and plays a decent shortstop the last three years of his career that will be ok with me. He’s the captain and provides tremendous leadership and other intangibles that are invaluable. I bet if you asked his teammates that they would agree and then some. I don’t care what he is getting paid either, the Yankees can afford it.
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I would take .275 at this point.
He’s been the king of this town since he stepped onto the field for the first time.
It’ll be hard to remove the crown when he believes he should still have the throne.
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What evidence do you have to prove this?
He has said it doesn’t matter to him where he bats and I believe him.
“He will NOT allow the Yankees to move him out of the 1-2 spot without a GIGANTIC fight. If you think otherwise, you’re incredibly naive.”
Okay, I’ll engage in this.
What leads you to form this opinion. Please don’t respond with “you have to be blind or naive” or declaring how obvious it is.
I’d like to discuss it. What brings you to the conclusion Derek Jeter’s ego will dictate him putting up a big fight?
nice stat from Ken Singleton the other night: Swisher has the 2nd most walks in mlb over the last 5 yrs (1st was Ortiz).
w/guys like Swisher, Martin and when he’s ‘on’ Gardner in the lineup, getting to the bullpen is just an inevitability.
jeter hasn’t had the knee and hip injuries users have had….he has had a chronic cough for 2 years now but that might just be nerves from dealing with kim jones.
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He had a knee brace on last year.
Jerkface, you really going there or you being sarcastic?
People are fantasizing things about Jeter that might not be true.
They are letting their idolatry of him cloud their thoughts and projecting them onto Jeter.
I am sure Jeter would do what is best for the team.
Girardi won’t move him now because there is no viable alternative, but in a scenario where he is out a prolonged period and somebody steps in, he would.
I am using the media approach to outing steroid users. Middle infielder with power who has been part of ‘steroid clubhouses’ that has fallen off a cliff in the testing era? Aaron gleeman would have a field day!
Jerkface, you really going there or you being sarcastic?
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he is just trying to bait me, I am not Trisha.
Reponse from another post
# J. Alfred Prufrock April 22nd, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Against All Odds April 22nd, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Had Joba been properly developed instead of jettisoned to the bullpen in 2010, we’d have another starter in the mix.
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Ahhhhhh what could have been
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Dude,considering the state of things, that wound has ulcerated. Hughesie better bring it when he returns.
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Yea hopefully Phil can get on the right foot when he comes back. I’m not looking for him to throw a no no but I want to see some improvement
I am just responding to your points with evidence against, Mick. Its not baiting. Though you would know, as the master… of baiting.
If steroids would help jeter he ought to get on them asap
I am sure Jeter would do what is best for the team.
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If he has publicly said he wants to bat in the first inning, why would you think he’d do this? He already didn’t do what was best for the team when they acquired A-rod.
I am just responding to your points with evidence against, Mick. Its not baiting. Though you would know, as the master… of baiting
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I am also a reactor and an initiator…
i like it that we are not hearing about phil right now. he’s down there working on his velocity and there are no reporters looking over his shoulder and reporting every move.
im confident that he will be right when he comes back.
If Jeter hits around .275 and plays a decent shortstop the last three years of his career that will be ok with me. He’s the captain and provides tremendous leadership and other intangibles that are invaluable. I bet if you asked his teammates that they would agree and then some. I don’t care what he is getting paid either, the Yankees can afford it.
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So it doesn’t matter what his OBP or SLG is?
If he has publicly said he wants to bat in the first inning, why would you think he’d do this? He already didn’t do what was best for the team when they acquired A-rod.
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Cmon, Arod is abetter 3rd baseman than Jeter ever would have been.
I don’t recall him saying that about the 1st inning.
Jeter doesn’t play a decent SS now. Why would he get better as he gets older and slower?
If steroids would help jeter he ought to get on them asap
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I thought your point was that he already tried them?
Cmon, Arod is abetter 3rd baseman than Jeter ever would have been.
I don’t recall him saying that about the 1st inning.
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he is also a better short stop than Jeter ever was or will be. SS is a more important position. A-rod at short would have been sick.
I thought your point was that he already tried them?
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Get back on them. Though if Jeter did do steroids I wouldn’t care. I am pro-steroids.
i like it that we are not hearing about phil right now. he’s down there working on his velocity and there are no reporters looking over his shoulder and reporting every move.
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Has Betsy been sleeping on the job?
i didnt hear many people crying out for the yankees not to sign jeter this year. some wanted them to pay him less, but almost none wanted them to send him packing.
he is also a better short stop than Jeter ever was or will be. SS is a more important position. A-rod at short would have been sick.
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Arod , on steroids was a differnt animal, a more bulked up one, not built like a SS.
i didnt hear many people crying out for the yankees not to sign jeter this year. some wanted them to pay him less, but almost none wanted them to send him packing.
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What point would there be in saying not to sign him? The yankees were obviously going to sign him. I wanted only a 1 year deal though so he could get 3000 and get out.
mick April 22nd, 2011 at 4:46 pm
i like it that we are not hearing about phil right now. he’s down there working on his velocity and there are no reporters looking over his shoulder and reporting every move.
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Has Betsy been sleeping on the job?
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good point!
Arod , on steroids was a differnt animal, a more bulked up one, not built like a SS.
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He wasn’t on steroids on the yankees
Also he was a great short stop in seattle and texas… and he was on steroids in Texas, so like, whats the point? He was a great short stop, one of the best ever.
And we will never know how A-rod would have handled staying at SS.
Lance Berkman, early leader for NL Comeback POY.
There were parts last season where it looked like he needed to petition MLB for permission to bring his walker to the plate.
If he can start raking again, there’s still hope for the other soon-to-be gray hairs.
i dont buy arod’s steroid ‘timeline’ but i also dont care much.
i didnt buy andy’s original timeline either and it turned out i was right.
Arod is not built like he was when he played SS is my point.
He has bulked up and is built for power.
Heused to look like Jeter when he played SS , skinny and weak.
Heused to look like Jeter when he played SS , skinny and weak.
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He was ON steroids when he played SS. Your argument makes no sense.
mick, you are probably to young to have actually seen ARod with the Mariners or Texas. He was never skinny and weak.
Chase April 22nd, 2011 at 4:31 pm
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The point is, Jeter has ALWAYS said he wants to bat in the first inning. He even made a point to make that known a couple of weeks ago when he was on Francesa.
That is where his extraordinary ego comes in. He is hurting the team with his absolutely pitiful at-bats, doing nothing but smashing the ball into the ground right in front of the plate, hitting into a DP, or lining out swinging at the very first pitch.
He will NOT allow the Yankees to move him out of the 1-2 spot without a GIGANTIC fight. If you think otherwise, you’re incredibly naive.
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What are you basing this on? Other than his contract negitiations which got a little contentious, when has Jeter ever acted anything like the way you describe? I’d say it will be basically the exact opposite. Jeter may WANT to bat 1st or 2nd, just like he wanted a bigger salary. He may even feel he deserves to bat there, even if/when it gets to the point where his performance strongly indicates otherwise. And if/when that happens, and Girardi tells him he’s moving down the 7, 8, or 9 spot, I expect him to handle that publicly with the same professionalism that he’s handled himself over his entire career. It’ll be a story because it’s NY and he’s an icon. He’ll say the right things and if his true feelings are against it then he’ll keep them to himself. That’s what Jeter does and always has done as a Yankee for 17 seasons.
i dont buy arod’s steroid ‘timeline’ but i also dont care much.
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I hope A-rod is on something right now, because it means he is smart enough not to get caught.
arod didn’t mind leaving SS on the Yankees…it was easier for him to go to 3rd than Jeter.
whenever he started to bulk up , his days at SS were numbered.
It’s funny whenever someone accuse Jeter of having an extraordinary ego. You really have to be full of yourself to completely make that crap up. On what grounds can anyone suggest Jeter has a huge ego?
Please, search the archives. I’d love to know where that opinion comes from.
mick, you are probably to young to have actually seen ARod with the Mariners or Texas. He was never skinny and weak.
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he was skinny when he started with the M’s.
Please, search the archives. I’d love to know where that opinion comes from.
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It comes from the fantasy world his detractors live in.
arod didn’t mind leaving SS on the Yankees…it was easier for him to go to 3rd than Jeter.
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Why would A-rod raise a big stink about it? He was following Jeter around like a little kid when he joined the Yankees. If Jeter told him to jump off a bridge he’d be like to do it.
ARod showed he was a great team player when he agreed to move to third. He’s never gotten enough credit for it.
“What brings you to the conclusion Derek Jeter’s ego will dictate him putting up a big fight?”
Him not moving from SS when A-Rod was known as the better fielder and putting up numbers that Jeter couldn’t even sniff.
Him not even being WILLING to discuss anything about moving from SS when he is 36 YEARS OLD! He’s not Omar Vizquel with the glove. He has lost range.
Jeter saying time after time, INCLUDING less than a month ago, that he will ONLY bat in the first inning: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/20.....r-on-wfan/
Jeter’s new mega-mansion tells you what you need to know about his ego.
I love Derek Jeter, but for you to think he doesn’t have a GIGANTIC ego that will prevent him from being moved out of the first 1-2 spots when he DOESN’T want to, then nothing I will say will sway your opinion of the almighty God.
If he’s the Captain, it shouldn’t matter where he hits in the lineup. A real Captain would bench himself if he knew he was a detriment to the team.
Gigantic egos is what makes these athletes extraordinary, it pushes them to be the greatest and it also makes it incredibly hard to manage when they are on the downside of their careers.
again, arod was more equipped to play 3rd than jeter, why don’t you get that, mister baiter
wave, i dont think he had a choice if he wanted to get out of texas.
Jeter has a strong arm and quick hands, isn’t that what a third baseman should have? I can’t believe you’d denigrate Jeter by suggesting he couldn’t play an easier position.
YsGuy,
He had a choice. Texas ate part of his salary, some team would have taken him.
3rd base is a power position, a corner position, as you know, i guess?
mick April 22nd, 2011 at 4:51 pm
“Arod is not built like he was when he played SS is my point.
He has bulked up and is built for power.
Heused to look like Jeter when he played SS , skinny and weak.”
Sorry. Can’t intelligently argue with someone who says absolute NONSENSE like this.
Man by the time the tv schedule works out where the Yankee game isnt interfering with the Knick game it might be too late to catch a glimpse of the Melo Man
Curtis Granderson hitting in the 2 hole, well that’s a novel idea…..GB, ran into one of your old friends yesterday at the bar @ John Wayne Airport…….None other than # 25 Joe Pepitone….Funny guy, he was waiting for Jim Bouton of all people….He laughed at the notion that Torre’s book ruffled feathers…..Too many prima donna’s in the game today according the blow drying 1st baseman…..
Jeter has a strong arm and quick hands, isn’t that what a third baseman should have?
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can’t believe you think jeter has arods arm.
3rd base is a power position, a corner position, as you know, i guess?
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Which is why teams who get power out of up the middle positions have an advantage over other teams. Not to mention A-rod being a better defender…
The Yankees weakened their overall defensive alignment to have a cliche power hitting 3B?
Here’s to hoping Garcia has a great outing on Saturday. I’d love to see a lineup of Sabathia, Colon, Burnett, Garcia, and then Hughes. Once Hughes “get his arm back” they should move Nova down to AAA.
Nova still needs some seasoning. Right now he’s best as a long reliever. He just doesn’t have a different pitch for getting the same guys out twice or three times around.
Even if Colon and Garcia can’t pitch the full year ride them now, the Yankees can always make a deal if they need pitching later on.
can’t believe you think jeter has arods arm.
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He doesn’t have to have A-rod’s arm to play third. A-rod’s Arm would be a blessing when making strong throws from the short stop’s hole. Now Jeter just eats it.
Sorry. Can’t intelligently argue with someone who says absolute NONSENSE like this.
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Instead of labeling , why don’t you respond with substance for a change.
Also, for those making the A-Rod at 3B complaints, I’m sure his hip would actually be in worse shape now if he had continued to play SS. Sure, that’s in retrospect, but it’s probably true.
Happy unintended consequences.
Rodriguez in Seattle was hardly skinny. He was built like a young Andre Dawson.
In 1996 with the M’s, A-Rod hit .358 .414 .631 1.045 with 54 doubles, 36 home runs, and 123 RBI.
He was really skinny and weak. Genius.
Arod wouldn’t have been able to play SS probably the last 3 seasons…
He’s never been skinny or weak…..he was a beast in Seattle. That was probably the best version of Alex.
Arod wouldn’t have been able to play SS probably the last 3 seasons…
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Had the yankees altered the time line by shifting Jeter and not A-rod, there is no telling what the future would have held.
@Chase
I’m not saying he doesn’t have an ego. I agree he probably does. But he also says the right things publicly and handles himself professionally. What are you suggesting he’s going to do if/when Girardi tells him that he’s swapping spots with Gardner and batting 9th from here on out? Refuse to play? Bash Girardi in the media and sulk about it? Retire on the spot? We’re talking about DEREK JETER, not Manny Ramirez. Even Jeter’s detractors will usually admit that the guy has kept his nose clean and been the consummate professional his entire career. No offense but I think your imagination is getting the best of you.
If Jeter already had 3000 hits before he became FA, Yanks would have never given him that three year contract. They were very concerned about his performance moving forward and they have a valid reason.
As much as I want Jeter to turn around the reason, I am also realistic he is 36 and it may not happen, especially given it is not just these three week but goes back to last year.
I also beleive that Yanks will not move him from the top of the order (1st or 2nd) until he gets his 300th hit unless he voluteers himslef which I doubt he will do.
His ground outs are so weak there is a possiblity his average may drop below the Mendoza line (I hope not). If that happens and continues for extended time and he does not volunteer to go down in the order, Yanks will have a very difficult time dealing with it. In fact, as we see it already here, the fans will start turning against him and demand he move down thus forcing him to volunteer.
I sincerely hope he turns it around and bats .270+ average and .340+ ops. Then it all becomes irrelevant discussion.
Jeter has a strong arm and quick hands, isn’t that what a third baseman should have?
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He doesn’t have to have A-rod’s arm to play third.
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Contradiction.
You know a strong arm is needed at 3B, stop the nonsense.
g. i. joe on francessa now
Had the yankees altered the time line by shifting Jeter and not A-rod, there is no telling what the future would have held.
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Sure, there’s no telling, but in all probability he would have sustained more injuries due to the increased stress of playing SS.
Or you could just ignore that and pretend like it isn’t a valid point.
joe says its not likely they will play tonight
*** 3000th hit ***
jeffc_76
We get it, Jeter is a God who can do no wrong.
He’s a human who says NOTHING in interviews, which makes it “all the right things.”
He’s a bore on purpose to stay under the radar, he’s incredibly intelligent with people who was raised right and knows not to feed the media anything they can run with.
No offense, but your obsession with Derek Jeter is getting the best of your clarity of thought.
He’s never been skinny or weak
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He has been skinny.
Skinny in Seattle when he came up at 19.
No doubt the steroids helped him grow large.
Too large to play SS.
Jerkface,
He would have had to have kept a different body type and would have had to not have a hip injury……Alex moved to 3rd and settled into a position that he could stay at for a long time….nothing wrong with that.
“Him not moving from SS when A-Rod was known as the better fielder and putting up numbers that Jeter couldn’t even sniff.”
So A-Rod putting up his offensive numbers at SS and Jeter putting him his offensive numbers at 3rd is better than A-Rod putting up his offensive numbers at 3rd and Jeter putting him his offensive numbers at SS?
Can you please show your math.
“Him not even being WILLING to discuss anything about moving from SS when he is 36 YEARS OLD! He’s not Omar Vizquel with the glove. He has lost range.”
You’re just repeating yourself. Where is your evidence of this?
“Jeter saying time after time, INCLUDING less than a month ago, that he will ONLY bat in the first inning: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/20…..r-on-wfan/”
Gimme a quote, in context.
“Jeter’s new mega-mansion tells you what you need to know about his ego.”
Because bigger bank account = less ego?
“I love Derek Jeter, but for you to think he doesn’t have a GIGANTIC ego that will prevent him from being moved out of the first 1-2 spots when he DOESN’T want to, then nothing I will say will sway your opinion of the almighty God.”
As predicted….
“Gigantic egos is what makes these athletes extraordinary,”
So which is your preference then?
Do you want Yankees to have extraordinary athletes with big egos, or do you prefer them to have less extraordinary athletes with less ego?
State a position, please.
You know a strong arm is needed at 3B, stop the nonsense.
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It is not a contradiction. Jeter has a strong enough arm to play third. That is all that matters. He has a better arm than Youkilis. You don’t need to max out on arm to play third. You just need one that can handle the throws. A-rod’s arm plays anywhere.
You don’t need the best arm, you just need one that is good enough.
Use your brain.
Pat M. April 22nd, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Curtis Granderson hitting in the 2 hole, well that’s a novel idea…..GB, ran into one of your old friends yesterday at the bar @ John Wayne Airport…….None other than # 25 Joe Pepitone….Funny guy, he was waiting for Jim Bouton of all people….He laughed at the notion that Torre’s book ruffled feathers…..Too many prima donna’s in the game today according the blow drying 1st baseman…..
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Afternoon, Pat. Hope all is well out your way.
Loved Pepitone and Bouton. Pepitone pissed away a possible HOF career. Bouton just burned his arm out way too early. Still strange that everyone still dislikes Bouton for the book, epecially when the one person who should have been upset by things revealed was Mantle and he stayed friends with bouton over his lifetime.
No offense, but your obsession with Derek Jeter is getting the best of your clarity of thought.
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You either have a short or no memory of the 5 championships Jeter was instrumental in bringing here. Either that or you have no respect.
Jeter has a strong enough arm to play third.
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Not any more.
stuckey99, you’re like arguing with an 11 year old.
Didn’t even read the rest of your drivel.
Not any more.
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Did A-rod just join the team? No. I am not talking about *now*. By now Jeter might have been in left field, and we’d have a better 3B/SS playing the position.
He doesn’t have the arm or range for SS anymore but thats not stopping him.
maybe you should change your name to circlejerk….it’s like a merrygo round with you, no wonder randy has given up…
There’s such a thing as a healthy ego, and healthy confidence. Some people lack all of that and they’re worse off for it. That’s different than making accusations of someone having a huge ego. Jeter’s confident.
Suggesting that Jeter does a really good job at hiding his ego over the course of the thousands of interviews he’s done is ridiculous. Egotistical people are egotistical mainly because of the things they say and do. Isn’t that kind of the point? ‘
If you keep your ego to yourself, in my opinion, your not particularly egotistical. Egotistical people really can’t control their image of themselves, because the image of yourself is reality. If you think you’re the greatest, most of the time, you’ll probably act like you think you’re the greatest.
alex rodriguez, 1985:
http://ecollectorscorner.com/images/bseball_46.jpg
skinny? yes
weak? hahaha! you’re kidding, right?
mick,
so by that mind-set he should play SS until 45 or whenever HE decides, because HE helped us win 5 championships.
It was ALL DEREK JETER winning those 5 championships, right? Nobody else played roles in those teams.
The last championship was won by Alex Rodriguez, almost single-handedly.
Ugh, the obsession really has gotten out of hand.
@Chase
I’m AGREEING with part of what you said, but also basically saying that you’re being contradictory. I agree he probably has an ego. I agree he also gives vanilla interview responses with cliche lines that basically say nothing at all. It can almost be comical. I could hit mute and answer for Jeter, record myself, then play back and compare my answers with him and they’d probably be almost identical. I will say that it’s better than the alternative of being like A-Rod circa 2008 / pre-season 2009, where everything he said or did created a media circus. Whatever. Jeter is who he is. I don’t consider him a god, but I do consider him an icon and a living Yankee legend. He’ll be in the HoF someday, his number will be retired, etc. Getting back to the point, the fact that Jeter always “says the right things” in those cliche interview responses, rather than speak his true feelings, tells me that he will handle moving down the batting order just fine. He may have a bruised ego and be absolutely furious about it, but he’ll keep it to himself, or at least behind closed doors.
maybe you should change your name to circlejerk….it’s like a merrygo round with you, no wonder randy has given up…
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You’re the one that argued yourself in a circle
# hardwired7 April 22nd, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Lance Berkman, early leader for NL Comeback POY.
There were parts last season where it looked like he needed to petition MLB for permission to bring his walker to the plate.
If he can start raking again, there’s still hope for the other soon-to-be gray hairs.
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I’m leaning towards Josh Beckett
Also, is a pitcher egotistical for wanting to stay in the game? No, he just wants to give it his all. It’s up to management to decide where to play and bat Jeter. That’s that. It’s not on Jeter to volunteer where he is in the line up, or where he is on the field.
That’s on management. I don’t think Jeter is over riding Girardi or Cashman’s will.
It was ALL DEREK JETER winning those 5 championships, right?
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Did I say that?
Stop letting your prejudices cloud your thinking .
Jeter will not hang on if he is done, which he isn’t just yet.
You never answerd the qustion…is it disrespect or are you too young to remember his legacy…oops wrong word.
“you’re like arguing with an 11 year old.”
An 11 year old asking you questions you apparently can’t or don’t want to answer.
But go ahead, cherry pick.
it’s common.
You’re the one that argued yourself in a circle
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you are the one who looks for arguments…are you a frustrated lawyer?
American League of course
How am I being disrespectful? All I’m doing is stating the facts, sir.
Whether you take them as disrespect towards your God is on you.
Alex was playing SS in Texas at 235+ lbs. He hasn’t weighed that since his hip surgery.
you are the one who looks for arguments…are you a frustrated lawyer?
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Heh, all you do is bait for arguments.
And you got one and lost. typical!
Heh, all you do is bait for arguments.
QFT
How am I being disrespectful? All I’m doing is stating the facts, sir.
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As you see them.
And you got one and lost. typical!
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Looks like you’re the loser.
Looks like you’re the loser.
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Says the 70 year old guy arguing on the internet
Well, mick
You see alex rodriguez as skinny and weak in seattle.
So what you see or how you interpret things are incredibly invalid.
ok punk…now that must make you 19.
You see alex rodriguez as skinny
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he once was, yes, surprised you haven’t seen the clips.
Heh, all you do is bait for arguments.
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et tu…
It is getting tense here especeially among better posters (I mean not the regular whiners and moaners)….
Let us move on to some other topics.
With the improvments Grandy is showing, what can we expect from him this year?
.280 average, .330 obp, 15 steals and 30 HRs – is it realistic?
I think he is turning into a Paul O’Neil without the drama.
According to the defensive metrics that have so damned him in the past, Jeter is playing (very) slightly below average and above the mean defensively this year.
He isn’t too far removed from Reyes in the metrics and is well above apparent butchers like Hanley Ramirez and Stephen Drew.
I know Jerkface, the rebuttal is their bats balance their D and Jeter doesn’t right now, but I’m just replying in context to the argument Jeter can’t play SS right now.
That is only the case if we disqualify over half the SS who actually play SS in the ML’s as inadaquate defensively.
Some of you should go back and read/scan this thread – it’s not to be believed.
Some of you should go back and read/scan this thread – it’s not to be believed.
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It’s the day off, it happens every time.
# pat April 22nd, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Alex was playing SS in Texas at 235+ lbs. He hasn’t weighed that since his hip surgery.
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sure about that…..he’s very close to 235
Definitely Beckett so far in the AL, joeman. He’s been dynamite.
That is only the case if we disqualify over half the SS who actually play SS in the ML’s as inadaquate defensively.
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We’ll see where he is at the end of the year.
can you imagine the pressure on whoever took jeter’s place is they dropped him?
Comeback player of the year already?
We haven’t even got out of April yet.
# Carl April 22nd, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Comeback player of the year already?
We haven’t even got out of April yet.
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your right…sorry
stuckey99,
defensive metrics need to be based on around a 2-3 year period to be accurate. Not 16 games.
“We’ll see where he is at the end of the year.”
But you said it today.
Repost
It is getting tense here especially among better posters (I mean not the regular whiners and moaners)….
Let us move on to some other topics.
With the improvments Grandy is showing, what can we expect from him this year?
.280 average, .330 obp, 15 steals and 30 HRs – is it realistic?
I think he is turning into a Paul O’Neil without the drama.
Easter Pizza
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1/2 pound sliced sharp Provolone cheese
1/2 pound thinly-sliced sopressata
1/2 pound thinly-sliced Genoa salami
1 pound Italian fennel sausage, cooked and sliced 1/4-inch thick
1 pound basket cheese (or fresh mozzarella)
5 hard-boiled eggs, halved
washington @ pittsburgh has already been rained out, saving dozens the trouble of driving to the ballyard
“defensive metrics need to be based on around a 2-3 year period to be accurate. Not 16 games.”
As I say, cherrypicking.
From 2009-today, Jeter rates above average in UZR and UZR/150.
But you said it today.
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And by the end of the year he will be the worst in range runs again. Propped up by a small error count. he is already fielding as poorly as he did last year by BB-Ref fielding metrics.
UZR isn’t the best defensive measuring tool.
Check the others.
Stuckey
Really quoting defensive metrics after 16 games?
Also, just curious. Which defensive metrics did you look at?
Or, you know, you could just WATCH the games and see for yourself.
joeman – please don’t call that pizza.
Chase, Jerkface, so let’s seem them…
Here are the ones I referenced.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leade.....#038;ind=0
West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 5:41 pm
joeman – please don’t call that pizza.
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what do you want to call it
Jeter is the 5th worst by UZR range since 2009.
“According to the defensive metrics that have so damned him in the past, Jeter is playing (very) slightly below average and above the mean defensively THIS YEAR. ”
This year, so far, there have been 16 games played. Beyond ludicrous to use defensive metrics to measure ability after 16 games.
Why would you say metrics if you only looked at UZR?
LGY, why not start with the people I was responding to with the 16 games qualification?
is it fair for me to say that on defense Jeter has turned himself into a B Dent at SS
I was wrong, this place isn’t the same as it was the last time I was here, it’s worse…….All that’s missing is Betsy and the Hughes, Joba, Yanks developmental F grade and whatever it the most recent thing she’s read…..LoHud, slip sliding away
it’s never too early to talk about meaningless awards.
Okay LGY,
“Some”.
Score!
Pat M, the halycon days you remember did not exist.
Stuckey
So you are saying his UZR right now and other players UZR accurately portray their defense to date?
“This year, so far, there have been 16 games played. Beyond ludicrous to use defensive metrics to measure ability after 16 games.”
Jerkface, Chase is talking to you.
So far this year, joeman, I think it’s absolutely fair.
Especially that play where he scooped up a ball that was Cano’s and missed the play completely.
It made him smile nervously because he knew how terrible he looked.
Some is not one.
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I’m not the one that used a 16 game defensive sample???
Got some obligations to attend to. Will be glad to get back to responding to the herculean efforts in a few moments…
Ummm, call it a special Easter treat but not pizza! Provolone cheese? Just kidding around. I’m a traditionalist when it comes to such things.
Man Jeter has been looking good in the field though.
Horrible at the plate.
I quoted you, stuckey99, not Jerkface.
But then again, it’s like arguing with a child so nothing will ever get through.
# Chase April 22nd, 2011 at 5:46 pm
So far this year, joeman, I think it’s absolutely fair.
Especially that play where he scooped up a ball that was Cano’s and missed the play completely.
It made him smile nervously because he knew how terrible he looked.
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thinking it started before this year..
Bail out, stuckey99!!
You’ve already stayed too long and made a fool out of yourself.
joeman, you’re 100% right, it did.
But this year it’s been the most glaring, since it’s only 16 games and he’s created many a blunder.
Face….I’m starting to believe that to be the case
I just wish there was a game on, any game.
You are the one coming into the argument suggesting that Jeter is not a poor fielder based on 16 games. It would be like saying that Howie Kendrick is a power hitter. Please get this weak stuff out the yard.
Jeter’s been near the bottom in all range based metrics in forever. Players I’d take over Jeter at SS: Alexi Ramirez, Furcal, Escobar, Pennington, Andrus, Castro, Tulo, Ramirez, Rollins, Hardy, Bartlett, Reyes.
In the past Jeter was better than most of these guys because of his consistent offense.
I just wish there was a game on, any game.
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LAD CHC bottom of the 6th, knock yerself out.
Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 5:51 pm
You are the one coming into the argument suggesting that Jeter is not a poor fielder based on 16 games. It would be like saying that Howie Kendrick is a power hitter. Please get this weak stuff out the yard.
Jeter’s been near the bottom in all range based metrics in forever. Players I’d take over Jeter at SS: Alexi Ramirez, Furcal, Escobar, Pennington, Andrus, Castro, Tulo, Ramirez, Rollins, Hardy, Bartlett, Reyes.
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nice job here
Derek Jeter at SS and batting leadoff. That’s refreshing.
Five infield rollers coming right up.
# YankeesNmore April 22nd, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Derek Jeter at SS and batting leadoff. That’s refreshing.
Five infield rollers coming right up.
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if I may…to 2nd base….4/3
Thanks, JF, I will. By the way, Reyes is probably available. Who do you give for him?
guy called francesa to say that amare is faking his injury.
…i thought we were missing someone….
Derek 4-3ter is what I’ve been calling him.
Thanks, JF, I will. By the way, Reyes is probably available. Who do you give for him?
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Yankees aren’t going to trade for Reyes with Jeter on the team. I’d give up some pitchers I guess, none of the A1 guys. Dude is a free agent next year.
They may be lucky to get one game in this weekend in Bal’more….The forecast is ugly.
# Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 5:57 pm
Thanks, JF, I will. By the way, Reyes is probably available. Who do you give for him?
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Yankees aren’t going to trade for Reyes with Jeter on the team. I’d give up some pitchers I guess, none of the A1 guys. Dude is a free agent next year.
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I think it would be a mistake not to at least look into signing him as a FA…
we want rainouts on cc’s offdays, a rainout tonight does us no good.
I think it would be a mistake not to at least look into signing him as a FA…
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That is post Jeter 3000 (hopefully) and we’ll have a handle on what the Yankees are doing re: Jeter at that point. Though if they sign Reyes and Jeter doesn’t retire it means getting rid of Nunez.
Oh noes! Some old geezer isn’t happy with a message board!
This is serious business.
Back in my day, we used to wear onions on our belts, because that was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ‘em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you’d say. Now where was I… oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn’t get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones…
Noesi got sent back down. Buddy Carlyle is up, but no word on who is getting removed from the 40 man for him.
i think reyes will be looking for $100M+. i dont think he’s worth it, but of course you ‘look into’ every fa.
# Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 6:02 pm
I think it would be a mistake not to at least look into signing him as a FA…
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That is post Jeter 3000 (hopefully) and we’ll have a handle on what the Yankees are doing re: Jeter at that point. Though if they sign Reyes and Jeter doesn’t retire it means getting rid of Nunez.
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being only 28 this year it’s a good move I would think
Anybody know the weather in B-more? Girardi was on the fan before saying it was raining.
“Easter Pizza”
Pizza Rustica!
I made it this afternoon. Same idea but a few different ingredients.
the MLB scheduler bots are so dumb.
raining now, precip chance drops to 10% at 7 pm but goes back up to 60% at 9 pm. not good.
Noesi back to Scranton. I suppose the weather is why they brought “Kitty” Carlyle to the yankees.
# THE TRUTH April 22nd, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Anybody know the weather in B-more? Girardi was on the fan before saying it was raining.
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go back up this page I copied and paste ACCU weather for this weekend
“raining now, precip chance drops to 10% at 7 pm but goes back up to 60% at 9 pm. not good.”
Dammit.
Sit the Yankees on my fantasy team?
THE TRUTH,
YankeesWFAN Sweeny Murti
1 hour to first pitch, rain has let up, tarp still on field. We’ll see.
5 minutes ago
# pat April 22nd, 2011 at 6:07 pm
“Easter Pizza”
Pizza Rustica!
I made it this afternoon. Same idea but a few different ingredients.
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same here and I had to try it of course (good sh?t) everyone making it has their own ideas
Postponed.
Darn.
Does anyone on this site actually like any of the Yankees? It seems that lately most of the posts are from Phil haters, Gardner haters, Nova haters, and now Jeter haters.
yanks have 1 spot open on the 40 man roster
joeman
I make it on Good Friday so no one will sample because I don’t let them eat meat today.
they have changed the forcast from when i checked it before. now they list the chance of precipitation at 7 pm as 55% at gametime and it goes up and down but generally around 50% throughout. it doesnt look good, but since its supposed to rain all w/e there might be a push to try to get tonights game in.
the o’s are unlikely to want to make up a rainout either sat or sun, since they are at the back end of thier rotation and matusz is still on the dl, but it might also help the yankees to push the makeup back in the season when phil might be back and they might even pick up another pitcher.
more yankees fans travel to baltimore in the summer so the O’s can sell more tickets after memorial day than they can this w/e.
pat April 22nd, 2011 at 6:13 pm
joeman
I make it on Good Friday so no one will sample because I don’t let them eat meat today.
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my wife did lay that on me but I had to have some…..hope I’m forgiven
my error. They had a full 40 man roster.
Who was called up in place of Noesi?
# GreenBeret7 April 22nd, 2011 at 6:12 pm
yanks have 1 spot open on the 40 man roster
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is Silva or Millwood on the 40…..not up on that
Never mind – just saw.
Does anyone on this site actually like any of the Yankees? It seems that lately most of the posts are from Phil haters, Gardner haters, Nova haters, and now Jeter haters.
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Lohud fallacy, lumping all these groups together.
For example, I’m pro phil, gardner, nova, and anti jeter
GreenBeret7…………….would you try to sign Reyes as a FA in 12 to play full time SS here
the truth, i dont sit most of my guys for rainouts. they are eventually going to play that game, so if you put a derosa in for cano, you are going to have to sit cano at the end of the year. you only get 162 games at that position. with arod, he’s going to get more days off, so its okay to replace him.
if it’s a head-to-head league, you do what you need to do to win that week but in a roto league, be careful not to stuff players into all your slots every day or you will be sitting your best players down the stretch in september.
Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Does anyone on this site actually like any of the Yankees? It seems that lately most of the posts are from Phil haters, Gardner haters, Nova haters, and now Jeter haters.
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Lohud fallacy, lumping all these groups together.
For example, I’m pro phil, gardner, nova, and anti jeter
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I’m anti Gardner, Nova & joba…….