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One for now, one for later

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 22, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Nine days ago, the Yankees had few options to fill an open spot in the bullpen.

They had six pitchers on the 40-man to choose from. Two of them were on the Triple-A disabled list, one was a Double-A starter on his way to the disabled list with blister and two had pitched the day before. It was unclear just how serious Pedro Feliciano’s injury might be, making it difficult to open a spot for a non-40-man pitcher.

Hector Noesi was the best option and the Yankees brought him up from Triple-A. Tonight he was sent back having never pitched in a big league game.

“If we had a starter go down, he’s one of the guys we would consider,” Joe Girardi said. “And he’s not getting that type of work here.”

The Yankees have played seven games since calling up Noesi. All of them were decided by four runs or less, and six were decided by three runs or less. They’ve had two off days in that span, and they’d had two days off before making the move. The situation just never lined up for Noesi to get much work, and so the Yankees will plan for the future and let Noesi get stretched out again.

Meanwhile, they’ve added a pitcher for the here and now. In an organization full of pitching talent, Buddy Carlyle is certainly not the most exciting name, but he had 11 strikeouts and three walks through 7.2 innings with Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. He was charged with three runs, all in one game. At 33 years old, he has 104 games of big league experience, including 27 starts.

“I had a little experience with Buddy in spring training with the Marlins and I saw him with Atlanta,” Girardi said. “Buddy’s a strike-thrower too, and Buddy’s pitched in the big leagues and he has experience and he’s done different things. He’s started in the big leagues. This is an experienced guy.”

 
 

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72 Responses to “One for now, one for later”

  1. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    I’m happy for Noesi that he was sent down; it wasn’t good for him to just sit in the pen twiddling his thumbs – the kid needed and needs to pitch

  2. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    Jon Lester has no-hit stuff through the first 3 batters.

    I’m sure he’ll mess up – but he just struck out the side and the Angels looks baffled.

    I hate! that Lester can be that good at times :(

  3. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    BD, lol, the only time I ever notice the Sox is when people bring them up here. I don’t follow them at all – I couldn’t care less what they do, to be honest, especially this early in the season.

    Lester is a great pitcher, period……………It sucks that he’s on the Sox, but maybe one day the Yankees will develop one as well.

  4. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    Haren doesn’t look too bad either. 6 up 6 down 3 K’s.

  5. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Haren does look great – though the ump helped him out in the K of Drew.

    I haven’t seen Lester look this sharp in a long time. Locked in right now – though he’s missed a couple spots, thankfully, against Hunter.

  6. Against All Odds April 22nd, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    # Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    BD, lol, the only time I ever notice the Sox is when people bring them up here. I don’t follow them at all – I couldn’t care less what they do, to be honest, especially this early in the season.

    Lester is a great pitcher, period……………It sucks that he’s on the Sox, but maybe one day the Yankees will develop one as well.

    ——————————————————-

    I remember yrs ago ppl saying Lester could have a career like Andy. I sat back and thought wow the red sox fan base are going over board but yrs later can anyone sit here and say that Lester hasn’t had a good career. He’s everything you want in a lefty handed pitcher.

    Yes Yankees are still waiting to develop guys that stick in the rotation.

  7. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    i was away at the time and didnt get to comment on this but it moved me and i wanted to mention it. they had a rally a couple of weeks ago outside dodger stadium for the giants fan who was beaten into a coma on opening day and alot of dodger fans showed up wearing thier dodgers jerseys and also wearing giants caps. if you know anything about west coast baseball, that is their equivalent of yankees fans showing up wearing red socks hats or even when the boston fans waved the ‘we love ny’ banner after 9/11.

    its a shame that it takes a tragedy like that beating to bring us to realize that we as baseball fans have more in common with one another than we do with those who dont like baseball.

    it reminded me of that scene in the end of ken burns ‘civil war’ i think it was the 50th anniverasary of gettysburgh when the old veterans had a reunion and the csa and union soldiers who spent thier lives hating each other came together and hugged and cried together. it turned out in the end that they had more in common with one another than all those crazy people riding in horseless carriages that surrounded them.

    ‘can’t we all just get along’…

  8. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    4 up, 4 K’s for Lester.

    Might be a fast game with these pitchers.

  9. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Yes! I knew I’d jinx him :)

    Bad change up high hit for a single by Wells. Beat up Lester now…

  10. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Pure luck. He’ll throw a one hit shutout with his eyes closed.

  11. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Odds, some of it’s luck – I mean, Lester is just a really talented pitcher. No matter how hard an organization tries, they can’t make silk purses from sows ears. That’s being dramatic, but my point is that there’s just not a lot they can do about it.

  12. RMS April 22nd, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    “Lester is a great pitcher, period”

    Betsy,

    This is one of the reasons I read your posts. You give credit where it is due, even when the player is not a Yankee.
    Some other posters, who I will not name, will rip and hate a player on another team, but if he joins the Yankees, he is the greatest.

  13. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    I don’t recall Lester being all that highly regarded, but when you beat cancer, then it puts things in perspective in terms of being able to face the best hitters in the highest pressure situations. These situations are nothing compared with what Lester faced before. Plus, who can ever really know what players will bloom late and which will stop developing – it’s just not an exact science.

  14. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    RMS, I hate the Sox, but I’ve nothing personal against their players, so there’s no reason for me to be hateful towards them. I remember HATING David Cone and Clemens and Strawberry (not Doc – I always loved him) AND Boggs……..and yes, I did get to love them once they were on the team. I hated those guys the way fans hate – because they were on teams I hated, not because they were bad guys.

  15. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Betsy,

    Most in the Sox front office wanted to trade Lester after 2007 (he was 24, coincidentally?). The reason he’s still a Sox was bc John Farrell believed in him and convinced everyone to have patience – he said Lester would be very good. Lester had shown signs of brilliance to that point but his command was off leading to walks and high pitch counts. Farrell knew that Lester had it but needed to work it out I guess (this came from my source in the Sox org)

  16. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Lester was definitely considered a top prospect, either the Sox #1 or 2 at one time.

    A lefty who throws mid-90′s is always gonna get some attention I guess.

  17. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    Saltalamachia double off the wall…. But hurts himself – looked like hamstring.

  18. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    BD, boo for Farrell, lol. You have to have vision in this game (in any sport, really). It doesn’t take a genius to spot a Doc Gooden type prodigy, but you earn your money trying to suss out which kids are the goods despite any struggles they may have or have had. Lester was apparently one of those raw, but talented kids who just needed some time. You try to project and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t…………So far it hasn’t worked with the Yankees

  19. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Guess not

  20. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    BD, but he wasn’t considered more than a#3 type………………but then again, things change quickly for pitchers, good and bad.

  21. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    BD – I do not recall them wanting to trade a 24 year old lefty with a 95 mph fastball who had just won the clinching game of the world series for them a year after overcoming cancer. Don’t recall it, and it seems far fetched.

  22. Against All Odds April 22nd, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    # Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Odds, some of it’s luck – I mean, Lester is just a really talented pitcher. No matter how hard an organization tries, they can’t make silk purses from sows ears. That’s being dramatic, but my point is that there’s just not a lot they can do about it.

    ———————————————————————-

    True some of it is luck. Sometimes you draft a blue chip prospect and he never pitches a game in the bigs and then you draft a kid that’s not that special and he becomes a solid # 3 for 10 yrs.

  23. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    What a play by Tori Hunter….he was out.

  24. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    He increased velocity and developed all these pitches…….. Simply put, not everyone is capable of that. I guess I’ve learned that you can’t assume anything – even with the greatest prospects, nothing is guaranteed.

  25. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    “True some of it is luck. Sometimes you draft a blue chip prospect and he never pitches a game in the bigs and then you draft a kid that’s not that special and he becomes a solid # 3 for 10 yrs.”
    =================================
    …and sometimes you bring a kid up, he falls flat on his face and gets sent back down, then turns into don mattingly… :)

  26. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Carlo, not true for one – he was in the Alex deal to Boston. After 2007, they weren’t trading him – before that? He was well-regarded, but nothing absolutely special……..

  27. Against All Odds April 22nd, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    So far it hasn’t worked with the Yankees

    ———————————–

    Hopefully it works with the B’s if not all than at least one of them

  28. Carl April 22nd, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Sox getting gift after gift

  29. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Odds, or sometimes it’s in the middle. Mostly it’s up to the kid to determine the course of his career – of course, you’re either blessed with top notch ability or you’re not. Some guys who have modest ability have carved out very good careers by working hard and being diligent at their craft. Some guys with great ability have wasted it by doihng the opposite. Some kids’ abilities were overrated or underrated – and some kids just don’t develop enough to succeed at this level. It’s very complicated.

  30. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Betsy – I know he was in the alex deal. BD said “after 2007″….hence my post.

  31. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Odds, I hope so……….They all don’t have to be aces, but it would be nice if one would. They are all different from the previous three, so it will be interesting to see how they do turn out. Plus, there are other young pitchers in our system with talent………

  32. Carl April 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Tampa just lost nice

  33. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Carlo…..oops. Well they refused to include him in a deal for Santana………He and Buchholz were their versions of Hughes

  34. Against All Odds April 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    # YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    “True some of it is luck. Sometimes you draft a blue chip prospect and he never pitches a game in the bigs and then you draft a kid that’s not that special and he becomes a solid # 3 for 10 yrs.”
    =================================
    …and sometimes you bring a kid up, he falls flat on his face and gets sent back down, then turns into don mattingly… :)

    ——————————————–

    Donnie *claps* I feel for him dealing with that mess in LA.

  35. randy l. April 22nd, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    bd-
    for what it’s worth, i’ve always thought farrell was instrumental in developing lester the way he talked about him .

    i didn’t know he talked the rest of the organization out of trading him.

  36. Carlo April 22nd, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Yeah – unfortunately, he and buchholz, to a lesser extent, are working out well for them.

  37. Against All Odds April 22nd, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    # Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Odds, or sometimes it’s in the middle. Mostly it’s up to the kid to determine the course of his career – of course, you’re either blessed with top notch ability or you’re not. Some guys who have modest ability have carved out very good careers by working hard and being diligent at their craft. Some guys with great ability have wasted it by doihng the opposite. Some kids’ abilities were overrated or underrated – and some kids just don’t develop enough to succeed at this level. It’s very complicated.

    —————————————————

    You’re right about that it can go off in so many different ways when it comes to projecting what the prospect will be.

  38. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    Carlo, frustrating, but that’s the way it goes……… You hope that you have enough prospects to where even just a few stick and you’re good.

  39. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Odds, that’s why it may be best just to watch and see what happens instead of getting all hyped up with expectations. Well, that may be what’s best for me, in any case, lol

  40. Against All Odds April 22nd, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    # Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Odds, I hope so……….They all don’t have to be aces, but it would be nice if one would. They are all different from the previous three, so it will be interesting to see how they do turn out. Plus, there are other young pitchers in our system with talent………

    ————————————

    True they all don’t have to be Cy Young Award winners. If the Yankees can produce an ace out of Man Ban or Dellin along with an above average reliever(Brackman) that would be a very good thing for the short term and long term health of the ball club.

  41. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    “BD – I do not recall them wanting to trade a 24 year old lefty with a 95 mph fastball who had just won the clinching game of the world series for them a year after overcoming cancer. Don’t recall it, and it seems far fetched.”

    ——–

    He was in the Santana offer and it was discussed in the front office whether or not they would look to trade him even if Minnesota didn’t make the trade.

    Jon Farrell was the biggest Lester supporter in the org – and there were enough people who wanted to trade him that it definitely could have happened if Farrell didn’t convince them not to.

  42. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Odds, I honestly don’t blame the Yankees for how things have turned out with IPK, Joba and Phil, but I admit that I don’t have a great deal of confidence in their ability to develop pitchers – and I can not pinpoint the reason why I feel this way

  43. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    randy,

    Maybe I shouldn’t say “would have traded him” but I know that Farrell talked the Sox out of looking into possible trades for Lester.

  44. UnKnown April 22nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Scossia loves the running game. Always has

  45. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Pitchers sometimes need a booster in the organization because there are times when they might struggle when it becomes clear that trading him is an option………….Phil’s biggest booster was Cashman. I’m sure other pitchers have had their own.

  46. UnKnown April 22nd, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Mike is getting tossed tonight no doubt about that.

  47. Against All Odds April 22nd, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    # Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Odds, that’s why it may be best just to watch and see what happens instead of getting all hyped up with expectations. Well, that may be what’s best for me, in any case, lol

    ———————————————–

    Lol always easier said than done especially when you see the videos of them pitching

  48. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Odds, I don’t do that, though. I don’t really follow the minor leagues to that extent…………Phil was the first guy I really followed – it was fun (sort of), but in the end it really just wasn’t good for me. I’m better off just rooting for them once they get here.

  49. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    mike scoscia is the difference between the losers the angels used to be and the tough team they have been in the past decade. i was in la when he took over and they had talent but most of it preceeded him to anaheim, then he came and they became a real team.

    and his bench coach, joe maddon has alot to do with the emergence of the rays.

  50. Against All Odds April 22nd, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    # Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    Odds, I honestly don’t blame the Yankees for how things have turned out with IPK, Joba and Phil, but I admit that I don’t have a great deal of confidence in their ability to develop pitchers – and I can not pinpoint the reason why I feel this way

    ———————————————————————

    I understand where you’re coming from Betsy. Many fans feel the same way you do when it comes to the Yankees and developing pitchers.

  51. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Odds, I just have a bad feeling with this Phil thing, that they have no clue; that’s why I think I feel that way. Prior to that, frankly, I had no issues with how they handled him or Joba. I did think they rushed Phil in 2007, but that was so long ago and it’s not something I think has had any effect on his career.

  52. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Anyway, have a good night!

  53. Against All Odds April 22nd, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    # Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Odds, I don’t do that, though. I don’t really follow the minor leagues to that extent…………Phil was the first guy I really followed – it was fun (sort of), but in the end it really just wasn’t good for me. I’m better off just rooting for them once they get here.

    ——————————————————

    I was never that way either. I was the win at all cost who cares about the farm guy but over the yrs that has changed. Joba was the the first guy for me.

  54. Against All Odds April 22nd, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    # Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Odds, I just have a bad feeling with this Phil thing, that they have no clue; that’s why I think I feel that way. Prior to that, frankly, I had no issues with how they handled him or Joba. I did think they rushed Phil in 2007, but that was so long ago and it’s not something I think has had any effect on his career.

    —————————————

    The thing with Phil is strange on so many levels. Hopefully he can get back on track. The problem is we really won’t know until he pitches in a game. He can make progress on the side but until we see it in action non of us knows for sure how he’s going to be.

  55. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Bad News Bea…. Angels

    Awful

  56. Against All Odds April 22nd, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Take care Betsy

  57. Niki April 22nd, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Good news on Cervelli. Thanks Chad.

  58. igotid88 April 23rd, 2011 at 12:16 am

    Hughes will be back

  59. igotid88 April 23rd, 2011 at 12:31 am

    What happened to double headers? I’m guess the yankees are gonna play 50 games in a row at this rate.

  60. West Coast Yankee Fan April 23rd, 2011 at 12:48 am

    Thank you for tuning in to another episode of Phil Hughes Talk. We now resume our regular programming.

  61. Vineyard Yankee April 23rd, 2011 at 12:53 am

    No now it will alternate to Yoba talk. Then Gardner, then Nunez / Pena.

  62. West Coast Yankee Fan April 23rd, 2011 at 12:53 am

    This episode of Phil Hughes Talk was brought to you by Obsession. Once you’ve tried it; you won’t talk about anything else.

  63. Vineyard Yankee April 23rd, 2011 at 12:56 am

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, mmm good…………………….:-)

  64. West Coast Yankee Fan April 23rd, 2011 at 1:06 am

    …….night.

  65. GreenBeret7 April 23rd, 2011 at 1:14 am

    For those that used to watch WGN-TV as a kid, this pitcher in for the Angels right now, Trevor Bell, he’s the grandson of the late Bob Bell, TV’s Bozo The Clown.

  66. Rich in NJ April 23rd, 2011 at 1:56 am

    Hughes will be back, better than ever.

  67. YsGuy April 23rd, 2011 at 2:32 am

    phil who?

  68. Carl April 23rd, 2011 at 2:44 am

    Yankees have only played 16 games this year :(

    we missin’ some games.

  69. YsGuy April 23rd, 2011 at 8:07 am

    good morning morning people, wherever you are!

    looks like bobby jenks tried hard to give away lester’s win last night but in the end scoscia’s boys came up 1 short.

    some great pitching performances from anibal sanches, michael pineda and cole hammels last night…

    the yankees took the night off, so did the knicks, unfortunatly nobody told the celtics…

  70. YsGuy April 23rd, 2011 at 8:31 am

    BREAK UP THE METS!!!!

    well, actually, i think that’s the plan….

  71. blake April 23rd, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Bourjos cost the Angels that game last night.

  72. AllHailTheEmpire April 23rd, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    It’s about time we made this move. Noesi needs some innings. We don’t want him to end up like Hughes did last year. It’ll be nice to see Noesi pitching in AAA again. I think Millwood will replace Carlyle as soon as he’s ready. Middle relief is a good place for Millwood at this point in his career, and we could use him there. All we have is Pendleton right now, although I do feel he is a pretty good option in his own right.

    Check out my new forum guys… looking for moderators! http://www.forum.yanksprospect.....?1-Yankees


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