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Postrain notes: Hughes’ bullpen has to wait

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Apr 22, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

At this point, the Yankees know the drill. They’ve been rained out three times this season, and it seemed every single player who came into the clubhouse from the field this afternoon was asked about the weather. It was still raining. Then it was just barely raining. Then the rain was fairly significant. Then it was more of a mist. All of a sudden, the game was rained out.

“We don’t like it because we know that they’re going to probably be split doubleheaders and that makes it tough,” Joe Girardi said. “It makes it tough on your bullpen and it makes it tough on your guys, but what are you going to do?”

Phil Hughes didn’t like it. He was supposed to throw a bullpen today, a bullpen he was hoping would be his final step toward a rehab assignment. Hughes settled for throwing long toss, and his bullpen has been bumped to tomorrow. He’ll throw 45 pitches — three 15-pitch “innings” — and he’s hopeful that Larry Rothschild will give him the green like to begin a rehab assignment within a week.

“Larry will kind of be the judge of that based on how my bullpen looks and how I feel bouncing back after long toss and throwing,” Hughes said. “If I feel fine and sees enough out of me in the pen and feels like I’m ready to go, then I should be ready for a start.”

Hughes said he really can’t tell much at this point. The Yankees haven’t had a radar gun on him, and even if they did, Hughes suspects there would be a significant difference without his usual game-day adrenalin. Having a radar in the bullpen “would frustrate me even more,” Hughes said. He needs a game to truly know how far he’s come.

Here’s Hughes speaking this afternoon.

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• CC Sabathia will start tomorrow. The Yankees haven’t chosen a starter for Sunday because they want to map out the rotation first. “We want to look at how it affects the whole schedule,” Girardi said.

• No makeup date has been announced, but Girardi has been told it won’t happen this weekend. Tomorrow and Sunday should be one game apiece.

• Girardi indicated that it’s possible Francisco Cervelli will be activated during the upcoming home stand. He’ll DH tonight and catch again tomorrow. “We’ll see how he’s feeling,” Girardi said.”I’m not saying we’ll make a decision, but he’s doing pretty good.”

• Without Hector Noesi, the Yankees don’t have a 100-pitch guy in their bullpen, but Lance Pendleton and Buddy Carlyle can both go three innings or so, and Pendleton could probably go a little longer if necessary. “He’s probably going to be called on to pitch more if you get into these 17 days in a row and 33 in 34,” Girardi said. “We’ve just been in a lot of tight ballgames and have had strategic days off that have allowed us to do what we’ve done. You can’t keep up that pace, because we’re not going to have those days off.”

• Curtis Granderson is obviously swinging the bat incredibly well the past few days, and that earned him a bump up to No. 2 in the lineup. “I thought he got off to a slow start because his spring training was a little bit interrupted at the end,” Girardi said. “He’s been swinging the bat with authority. He’s a pull hitter that fits very well in the No. 2 spot.”

• The Orioles are skipping Chris Tillman this weekend. They’ll start Brad Bergesen tomorrow and Jake Arrieta on Sunday.

• Andruw Jones turns 34 years old tomorrow.

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103 Responses to “Postrain notes: Hughes’ bullpen has to wait”

  1. tyanksfan36 April 22nd, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Oi, the TY lot looking good at all tonight. Gave up 10 hits and 10 runs in the 2nd. They took Marshall out and 3 more runs scored.

  2. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Get Fields off the court

  3. tyanksfan36 April 22nd, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Oh and Scott Podsednik is playing for the Dunedin Blue Jays..

  4. Vineyard Yankee April 22nd, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    This stinks, I planned my day around the game.

  5. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Amare needs to friggin box out

  6. BoJo April 22nd, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Rained out!? Seriously?!

    When I was a boy,we used to go to games where this “rain”was just considered a mist, and they’d play through it, and we’d sit in the stands drinking hot cocoa and we’d like it. In fact, we sat thru two typhoons, lightning storms and a tidal wave and didn’t complain, cause the fans and players were tough back then.

    We’d have our snorkels on and watch them play with water up to their armpits, and did it stop them? No way!

    These young wiper snappers are all spoiled and just in for the money. Why, when I was young, the players had to pay the team to let them play.

    Good times…good times…

  7. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Do these rainouts help the Yankees or hurt them?

    By the time they play these makeup games, they should have a healthy Hughes back, maybe a better Jeter and Gardner, a new player via trade….

    Who knows?

    I’d rather they play the games, but it might not be so bad to play them in better weather later in the season.

  8. Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Hughes said he really can’t tell much at this point. The Yankees haven’t had a radar gun on him, and even if they did, Hughes suspects there would be a significant difference without his usual game-day adrenalin. Having a radar in the bullpen “would frustrate me even more,” Hughes said. He needs a game to truly know how far he’s come.

    This is BS. If he can’t conjure up the physical ability to throw a normal velocity in a bullpen, I don’t know how he can expect to go out into a start and throw it for 50-60 pitches.

  9. Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Rainouts I think can be helpful for the yankees. Later in the year the Yankees should be more stable.

  10. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Amare, I know your back hurts dude but please play some defense and actually put a body on a man when the shot goes up.

  11. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    This is BS.

    —–

    Agree

  12. mick April 22nd, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    seems like the bloggers have left the scene…or is it just a good friday

  13. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    They shouldn’t let Hughes throw in a game until he can dial it up in the bullpen.

  14. JobaTipsHisCap April 22nd, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    0-3 is a lock?

  15. Abe Peterham April 22nd, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Hughes can’t throw a bullpen inside?

  16. Nick in SF April 22nd, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Phil Hughes has nothing left to learn by long tossing! :mad:

  17. tyanksfan36 April 22nd, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    So Dewayne Wise is in this game along with Scott Podsednik and Francisco Cervelli. Its almot like being at a real game.

  18. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    0-3 is a lock?

    —–

    Too early to tell, but Bill walker and Shawne Williams can’t carry them all game.

  19. West Coast Yankee Fan April 22nd, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Another long stupid bad joke ignored . . .

  20. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Nick

    You got any bball action tonight?

  21. Nick in SF April 22nd, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Baseball yes, basketball no.

  22. Nick in SF April 22nd, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    “Another long stupid bad joke ignored . . .”

    Not by you. You read it and you commented on it.

    Just like our Founding Fathers intended!

    Nice going.

  23. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Really? Surprised with the playoffs.

  24. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    If someone felt the need to comment everytime Nick made a joke there would just be a bunch of these :lol: on every thread.

  25. Nick in SF April 22nd, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    I haven’t gotten into the NBA playoffs yet, mainly I had other commitments when the Knicks played their first two games and I haven’t been able to watch too much of this one either.

    I think WC’s comment was about his arch-foe’s 8:03 comment.

  26. Jerkface April 22nd, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    The NBA playoffs aren’t good until the 2nd or 3rd round, and even then basketball games arent good until the 4th quarter. The fact that games invariably become tied or within reach regardless of lead size is mind boggling.

  27. JobaTipsHisCap April 22nd, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    0-3 is lock

  28. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    The NBA playoffs seem longer than a 162 game regular season.

  29. Abe Peterham April 22nd, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Buddy Carlyle related to Buddy Groom?

  30. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Yikes. This is a pretty pathetic effort. Horrible defense.

  31. Yogi Mantle April 22nd, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Not liking all these rain outs, as they have to make them up at some point. Either double headers or off days later in the season. Either way it will hurt the Yankees by playing more later in the season when time off would be greatly beneficial to the players.

  32. JobaTipsHisCap April 22nd, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    disgraceful, nuff said

  33. blake April 22nd, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Hey maybe Felix Hernandez will throw the make up game ;)

  34. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Pretty amazing for the Knicks to play with such little effort in such an important game.

  35. HipHipHorHay April 22nd, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Two off days and a rainout is killing my fantasy team (5 Yanks position players). This after a day off followed by a rainout last week. Sheesh.

  36. randy l. April 22nd, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    “The Yankees haven’t had a radar gun on him, and even if they did, Hughes suspects there would be a significant difference without his usual game-day adrenalin.”

    that’s just dumb.

    i can access my maximum golf swing velocity anytime i want to do it. i don’t care if tiger woods or phil michelson watches me or doesn’t watch me.

    i can max it out on demand.

    no wonder the yankees are having problems with hughes and velocity. they are stuck in some old idea of how velocity works.

    even if you did think he could get a few more miles per hour in game conditions, you could just add 2-3 miles per hour to his bullpen speed if you knew what his bullpen speed is.

    of course, what am i thinking ? it’s really difficult to take a radar gun all the way out to the bullpen. and all that info would just confuse a pro like hughes or rothschild.

  37. JobaTipsHisCap April 22nd, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    People should boo in MSG.
    Knicks are losers. They don’t even wanna fight

  38. randy l. April 22nd, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    “seems like the bloggers have left the scene”

    there actually is something going on. a lot of the regulars have had it with the bs that’s gotten out of control.

  39. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....BHeadlines

    Hughes started his offseason in mid-December, which is normal for him. He said he just didn’t throw as much to combat the career-most 192 innings he pitched last year. Now, Hughes is trying to make up for lost time.

    “With the amount of innings I threw last year and things like that, I just needed more of a head start on my throwing program to make up for the fact that my arm had broken down so much,” Hughes said. “Coming off my first season of throwing a full season, I wasn’t really sure how I would bounce back.”

    ***

    What does this mean? His arm broken down so much? I’m not even sure what he’s saying here…………and don’t get me started on the weight thing.

  40. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    At least if the Knicks get swept there is a good chance D’antoni gets fired.

  41. randy l. April 22nd, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    “Phil Hughes has nothing left to learn by long tossing!”

    i could tell you some things about long toss by guys who throw 90mph and above and how far they have to throw it for it to equal 90mph +, but i’m on strike .

  42. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    I agree with Jerkface/LGY/Randy – it makes no sense whatsoever. Is Phil saying that only game day adrenaline gives him his velocity? If so, no wonder he’s always petering out by the 3rd inning.

  43. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    LGY, I don’t think he deserves to be fired – not based on one awful game – and if Walsh is back, he won’t be.

  44. randy l. April 22nd, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    holy crap!!!

    betsy, jerkface, lgy, and randy all agree on something.

    let’s retreat to our corners and rethink this one.

    something must be wrong.

  45. CompassRosy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Yogi Mantle April 22nd, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Not liking all these rain outs, as they have to make them up at some point. Either double headers or off days later in the season. Either way it will hurt the Yankees by playing more later in the season when time off would be greatly beneficial to the players.
    ============================

    At least two of them are at home and one is close to home.
    In April 2007, the M’s and Indians were snowed out of all 4 games of a series in Cleveland. The M’s weren’t scheduled to return to Cleveland that season, so they had to tack on a trip to Cleveland to 3 other scheduled east coast trips. The only good thing was, they couldn’t get one of the games scheduled in Cleveland, so they added it to a series the Tribe played in Seattle. It was the first double-header at the Safe and I got to go.

    Speaking of going to The Safe, I’m headed there now to watch Michael Pineda vs. the A’s. The bats managed to get the only run they needed last night for Felix. Here’s hoping they can muster up a bit more for Michael.

  46. JobaTipsHisCap April 22nd, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    D’antoni sucks, he should be fired.

    Ultimate insult: interview Stern regarding labor contract when game is going on.
    LOL

  47. pat April 22nd, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    I enjoy a no hitter where a run has scored.

    Anabel Sanchez no hits through 7 and a 4-1 score.

  48. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    Randy, we probably don’t really agree because I seem to be the only one upset about the weigh thing. Joba took it on the chin from the media and fans about it…………wonder why?

  49. randy l. April 22nd, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    hint:

    if hughes isn’t throwing his long toss the distance that equals 90+ mph , i doubt it’s doing him much good.

  50. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Pat, you would have loved Andy Hawkins’ no-hitter, lol – guy got the loss.

  51. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Betsy,

    This is the first time in 7 years the Knicks have played a playoff game at the Garden. A must win game.

    And his team comes out looking like a JV High School squad on defense.

  52. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    most of the group that is in the lohud fbb league have all given up on the blog or at the very least barely ever come here anymore. i’m just an stubborn old guy who doesnt want to give it up, and i value the opinions of several people who still post here, but its hard for me, too.

    remember the oppc, i dont know that any of the people who identified as oppc come here anymore, which makes it worse, more negativity, more arguments, less positive posters, less of the people who made this blog such a great place in the past.

  53. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    LGY, I’m not excusing this……….not at all – but IMO, you don’t fire a coach on one outing. In any case, I’m too drained of energy to really debate on this – I just want to put this behind me and think about next year. I think it was a good season with lots of promise……….I’m not going to think about the negative. One thing, though – Landry is toast.

  54. JobaTipsHisCap April 22nd, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Celtics over Heat in 6.
    James will choke.

  55. pat April 22nd, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    No hitter through 8 now….. da da dun…..

  56. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    “One thing, though – Landry is toast.”

    —————

    It’s crazy watching him right now. He looks so nervous out there that you can almost see his hands shaking everytime he touches the ball.

    He may as well suit up in a Celtics jersey with how bad he has played this series.

  57. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    I kind of feel sorry for him, but what a come down – how on earth did one trade totally discombobulate him.

  58. randy l. April 22nd, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    i’m a lousy blog striker.

    here’s a calculator for figuring it out:

    http://www.stevenellis.com/ste.....r-how.html

    i’ve always thought that about 310- 320 feet was the equivalent of 90 mph.

  59. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Betsy,

    johnschuhmann
    Knicks acquired Melo & Billups for Gallo, Chandler, Felton, Mozgov, picks, and Landry Fields’ confidence.
    7 minutes ago

    :lol:

  60. Vineyard Yankee April 22nd, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Too little too late for the Knicks. Rondo and Pierce dismantled them. Did the Knicks ever have the lead once tonite ? In a home playoff game ?

  61. randy l. April 22nd, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    ysguy-

    the doreen thing is the final straw for most of the regulars.

    it’s become obvious that lohud isn’t going to do anything about it.

  62. Joe from Long Island April 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    randy – re: hughes and his bullpens – I’m glad you can make sense of the statement that Phil made, because I cannot. To me, it’s the kind of statement that one can bend to mean anything one wants.

    It all comes down to performance, doesn’t it? How he pitches in game conditions. Again, I’m not a ballplayer, or anything close to it. But, having read all the quotes and analyses of Phil’s throwing, I still have no idea of how he’s doing. I can only hope professionals like Larry Rothschild and Joe Girardi and Tony Pena (if he’s involved) have a better idea; they likely do, especially compared to me.

    Sure, as a Yankees’ fan, I concerned. But, outside of a dead arm, I don’t know what else could be going on, assuming injury has been ruled out, which it apparently has. And, if it’s a dead arm, then it will come around. At least, that’s what I’ve always read.

    The only way we’ll know is by his performance, in a real game. And no test can predict that.

  63. JobaTipsHisCap April 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    “Did the Knicks ever have the lead once tonite ?”

    no, not even 2-0 or 1-0.

    This is a joke

  64. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    LGY, lol………..kind of. It’s really a shame, but he’s a good kid. He’ll need to work extra hard in the off-season.

  65. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Is it bad that I dislike the Heat so much that I am going to root for the Celtics next round? :???:

  66. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    Joe, people keep calling it a dead arm, but this isn’t that – not in the true sense; a dead arm period is very brief, but this has been going on for awhile. I could not figure out what he was saying in the Marchand article………….especially about his arm breaking down. Rothschild doesn’t seem to have a clue either as to what’s going on

  67. Nick in SF April 22nd, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    “Big Yellow Taxi” is a good song, but my favorite Joni Mitchell song is “A Case of You”.

    Like much of life itself, it’s both beautiful and heartbreaking.

    Just before our love got lost you said
    I am as constant as the Northern Star and I said
    ‘Constant in the darkness, where is that at?
    If you want me I’ll be in the bar”

    It also has vivid imagery:

    On the back of a cartoon coaster
    in the blue TV-screen light
    I drew a map of Canada, oh Canada
    with your face sketched on it twice

    You can picture the scene and you can feel the pain and desperation. What a song.

    What the heck am I talking about??

    Oh yeah, the beautiful song “A Case of Hughes”

    Just before my velocity got lost I said
    I am as constant as the great Rivera
    Constant in the bullpen, where is that at?
    If you want me I’ll be doing long toss

    Oh I could drink a case of Hughes
    and I would still be on the mound
    I would still be on the mound

  68. pat April 22nd, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Bye bye no hitter.

  69. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    “Celtics over Heat in 6.”

    ——–

    That would be tough. Though SJ44 and Triple’s prediction that the Celtics have zero chance of beating the Heat doesn’t look as good tonight :)

    I think it’ll be a great 7 game series… but who knows.

    Go OKC and New Orleans! Wouldnt mind an underdog making the Finals from the West.

  70. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    pat,

    Darn. Anibal has had “no hit stuff” quite a few times in his injury-riddled career. I think he threw one in the minors?

    He tends to throw alot of pitches though so doesnt go deep in games – as well as being inconsistent.

  71. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Anibel Sanchez? He’s already thrown a no-no in the big leagues. That said, a run would have tainted the thing

  72. Joe from Long Island April 22nd, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Betsy – that’s just it, I can’t understand it, either. Maybe because I’m not a baseball person, or that it just doesn’t translate easily to lay people like me.

    Bottom line, it really doesn’t have to make sense to me. It only has to make sense to the pros, and as long as it works out, I’m ok with that. It’s the uncertainty and not knowing, not understanding, not having a descernible plan in place that I can understand and get my mind around, that’s most anxiety provoking thing, at least for me.

  73. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Joe, I’m trying to “get” what Phil was saying. He said he didn’t throw as much in the off-season – so if that’s the case, then that could explain his lack of arm strength. Yet, he says he needed to get a head start. What is it? Did he throw too much in the off-season? Not enough? My head is spinning, lol

  74. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    anibal sanchez threw a no-no on 9/6/2006 in florida against the dbacks. he walked 4, stuck out 6 and the fish won 2-0

  75. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    If his arm broke down, then that doesn’t sound good………maybe he’s a guy that physically has issues starting.

  76. tyanksfan36 April 22nd, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    YS Guy

    I just dropped Sanchez last week. Totally regretting that, I was thinking when I dropped him that he will probably pitch a perfect game now and he almost did.

  77. Joe from Long Island April 22nd, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Betsy – yeah, head-spinning, that’s a good way to put it ;)

    So, CC, and TBA for Sunday. They’ll have a few DHs coming up.

    Meanwhile, the Knicks got blown out, and the Mets might actually win another game. Tampa is blowing a lead, to Toronto. So much for the revamped bullpen of Tampa.

    I’m tellin’ ya, Tampa and the Red Sox will battle it out for the cellar. Just watch.

  78. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    Joe, I think we should just expect this whole process to take awhile…..and whatever it is, it is.

  79. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    Chris Mannix: D’Antoni: “We weren’t real sharp. We just didn’t have the necessary energy from everybody.” about 6 minutes ago

    Not enough energy in the Knicks biggest game in 7 years. smh.

  80. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    randy i agree, but doreen told me that she doesnt hold lohud responsible at all, and that chad has been helpful. she had put her personal info on her blog which was linked here, and thats how he got her info. still, the had been warned about that particular troll by me and others and though he was harnless.

    erica told me she is done with the blog at least for now b/c of the constant negativity.

    we have an email string going with all the fbb players which kind of works as a backchannel lohud.

    i value the opinions of people like you and sj and gb and mtu and others too much to leave even if it means i have to sift through tons of crap to find it.

    and i feel bad about it b/c there are alot of good yankees fans who come here looking for a yankees community and are dissappointed. there are a ton of good fans here but they tend to get drowned out by the ones who just want to read thier words or rile people up or whatever.

    but im not giving it up. im no saint, i argue sometimes and have my critiques, but i keep it positive the vast majority of the time and i often just agree to disagree which alot more people need to do more often.

    i cant imagine what it would be in here had the yankees started the way the red socks did! or maybe it would be better because less fair weather fans would be here.

    anyway im staying and the haters are just gonna have to hate me too… :)

  81. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    tyanks, i’ve found over the past few years that anibal is one of those guys you pick up when you think he’s going to do well, then drop when you need a spot on your roster for someone else, then you will find him available again later. he is wildly inconsistent and when he is bad, he burns someone and they release him, so hes available alot. but i always kinda know what his status is and he is a go to guy when i need to pick up an extra pitcher.

  82. Joe from Long Island April 22nd, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    1. Betsy – agreed.

    2. LGY – The Knicks’ problem is they just don’t have enough good players. And no coach can change that.

    3. YsGuy – a very sad and sobering post. Unfortunately, that’s what has happened here. When you next email Doreen, erica, etc., please give my regards.

  83. Run it Out April 22nd, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    “Bottom line, it really doesn’t have to make sense to me.”
    That is a very astute statement Joe and more people on this blog should adhere to your common sense. Does anyone on here really think that all you hear from Hughes, Rothschild, Girardi, Cashman and others needs to make sense to you? I’ve been reading this blog for a few months now and I would suggest some of you “pros” take a lesson from Pat M. He sounds like he has the experience and knowledge of MLB to correctly address these things. Face the facts. This blog is a good outlet to exchange ideas but to try and position yourself as more knowing than the pros is ridiculous. Hughes won’t go for a rehab start until the Yankees feel he is ready. A radar gun in the pen is not a necessary indicator.

  84. LGY April 22nd, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    Joe,

    They had enough talent to open this series in Boston with 2 games they should have won.

  85. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    People are going to like or dislike each other, that’s just part of the nature of life and blogs. However, it’s one guy causing all this trouble. I know he was the one who got my telephone # and called me – even posted my full name here. Nothing can be done, so I try to avoid engaging him in conversation.

  86. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    as if today anibal is owned in only 26% of yahoo leagues and 32% of espn leagues. that will change, he’ll get picked up in all leagues tomorrow and probably give up 5 ER in 4 IP next outing…

  87. randy l. April 22nd, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    joe from long island-

    i think the hughes thing is pretty serious. i did a lot of long toss with pitchers so i have some feel for what’s going on. when neil allen and used to do it on one of his rehabs we would stretch out to him throwing about 320 feet. that would translate to be a little above 90 mph. right at 300 feet was just touching 90mph. i learned this from him, but that calculator backs it up.

    even me as a bullpen catcher, with all that long toss , could get it to about 95 yards( 285).

    long toss is a very interesting athletic thing to do. for one thing you can drop back a very small tick off maximum and make a lot of throws without losing distance and getting fatigued. when you add that last tick you drop off very quickly.

    the other thing is that you can be surprisingly accurate from 300 feet. we would play a game where you got points if the ball could be caught without the guy catching it having to move his feet.

  88. YsGuy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    i will do that joe, i have been passing on all the times i see people say they miss doreen and erica at least partlly in the hopes it will lure them back. i miss gtlu!

  89. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Knicks will be much better next season.

    Some people underestimate just how important it is to play together with your teammates for a while.

    The US basketball team used to be stocked with superstars but they’d lose to European teams that had played together for years.

    It wasn’t until the US team took practicing together more seriously and for more time that their talent was enough to win.

  90. randy l. April 22nd, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    “Does anyone on here really think that all you hear from Hughes, Rothschild, Girardi, Cashman and others needs to make sense to you?”

    you are making this way too mysterious. i have thrown long toss under tony cloninger, bruce kison, stu cliburn, ross grimsley and lots of former mlb pitchers who became pitching coaches. you start out short at about pitcher distance and slowly increase the distance out to max . you hold it there for a bit and you bring it back in slowly back to pitchers distance.

    what’s perplexing here is how the yankees let hughes velocity stay so low for so long before doing anything about it.

    if they are having him throw less than 300 feet, i think they’re worried about his arm because under 300 feet is definitely under 90 mph.

    something isn’t making sense here and yeah i can make sense out of long toss that makes sense.

  91. Joe from Long Island April 22nd, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    randy – I remember last year, someone posted a link to a long toss you tube (maybe it was you), and I was surprised about how involved it was. It wasn’t simply tossing, as you well know.

    This is just one example of why I don’t feel comfortable judging how pro players/coaches go about what they do. It isn’t just a “game” to these guys, it’s their jobs and professions.

  92. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    BD, I’ve no doubt they will…….plus, they will improve the surrounding cast. There’s only so much you can do with a compromised team anyway – they may have left it all on the court in Boston

  93. Betsy April 22nd, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Randy, yep – they let it go all through ST. Their comments that he was down in ST last year too were just wrong. I mean he was, but he didn’t lose 4/5 MPH last ST – he was just down a tick or two and then he normalized in the game against the Twins. The Yankees seem to me like they don’t have a clue – I didn’t like Rothschilds comments.

  94. Joe from Long Island April 22nd, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    randy, it may be simple to you, I’m not athletic so it is far from that to me ;)

  95. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Looks like the Angels Sox game is going to be one heck of a pitchers duel.

    Haren and Lester are SHARP in the early going.

  96. Tar April 22nd, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Just like in real life, it’s the women of LoHud that make this place special. They are the glue that binds us together.

    Erica and Doreen are two great people and this blog is not as good without them. M too, I haven’t seen her post lately and hope she’s just taking a little break.

  97. BD (Boston Dave) April 22nd, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    You been drinking Tar?

    Not bc you’re wrong or anything… but where did that come from?

  98. Tar April 22nd, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    YsGuy post.

    No not drunk, just tired.

  99. randy l. April 22nd, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    ysguy

    i think there’s more going on than you think. ‘ll just leave it at that for now.

    as for arguing on the blog , that’s not the problem. it’s healthy for discussion to have me and say jerkface go at it… or for any other people who represent opposing points of view to get in heated discussions.

    anyone who has been on the blog for a while can tell the different kind of specie that has entered the lohud eco system and is replacing native species( regular posters). it’s not the debating with people that may not like each other much that is the problem. it’s the really toxic people who have moved in and make trouble just to make trouble.

    there’s not a good poster here who doesn’t have a life and other things to do if the blog drops below a certain quality point.

  100. randy l. April 22nd, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    ” it may be simple to you, I’m not athletic so it is far from that to me”

    joe-

    yes , but you are extremely smart so you can understand long toss .

    long toss isn’t that complicated. i’ve been around lots of mlb pitching coaches and i’m pretty sure i’m not less intelligent than them.

    what i am is not as knowledgeable about the art of pitching. long toss is just not one of the complex things. i could not see with my eyes what rothschild sees because of the knowledge and experience he has, but i could understand a long toss plan.

    what i’m seeing from them is smoke and nothing clear cut.

    i hope i’m wrong because the yankees really need hughes, but something seems amiss because of all the mystery with this long toss program and not using a radar gun at all.

    it’s almost like they are afraid to give out either the distance of long toss or the velocity of throwing.

  101. Run it Out April 22nd, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    randy l

    In all your long toss experience did you ever hear of long toss “on a line” as opposed to the 320′ arching long toss?

  102. AllHailTheEmpire April 23rd, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Here’s my prediction. Phil Hughes will struggle. This is going to be a difficult season for him since he pitched 176 innings last season + 15.2 more in the playoffs. up from just 106.1 the previous season. This type of jump in innings has been known to cause a significant fall-off, or worse, a significant injury, in the following year. We’re talking about an 85 inning increase here. They need to be real careful will Phil this year to prevent a major injury. I don’t see him finishing the season with numbers as good as last years. I just hope that Cashman is patient with him, knowing that this is often how pitchers naturally develop, especially after a season where he saw an unnatural progression of innings pitched. It’s gonna be a tough year for Phil. I hope this long-toss and strengthening program works for him, but it seems like a long shot. I say let the guy pitch it out, whether it be in the majors or in AAA. Decrease his innings a little bit from last year, and get him ready for a return to prominence in 2012.

    Check out my new forum… http://www.forum.yanksprospect.....?1-Yankees Looking for moderators.

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