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Postgame notes: A long and busy day in Baltimore

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Apr 24, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Hard to know where to begin after a game like this one. Everything that happened after the rain delay made the difference between a successful road trip and a disappointing one. Robinson Cano had his big at-bat, the Yankees kept expanding their lead and eventually two of the small names in a big-name bullpen locked down the win.

“This is a road trip, when you look at it, you’re saying to yourself you could have been 4-0 and you definitely don’t want to go back 2-2 after we had some leads,” Joe Girardi said. “It was a huge at-bat by Robby. Very heads up play (to take third base).”

The game began to turn with Cano. He had a full count when the tarp came on the field, and when he came back lead off the 11th – for the second time, it felt like – he couldn’t let strike four get past him. He fouled pitch after pitch before doubling, and when the Orioles tried to catch him too far off second, Cano broke for third.

“That was really quick,” he said. “I didn’t plan anything, it was just a reaction right there. I knew if I went back, I would have been out by a mile. The only chance I had was to go to third. Everything went my way, which is why I don’t look that bad.”

Cano said that, with Nick Swisher showing bunt, he wanted to get the biggest lead possible. Depending on your point of view, he took one either too big, or just big enough.

“In that situation a lot of times people freeze because they’re so far off,” Derek Jeter said. “But he was aggressive. That was outstanding. That was the difference in the game.”

Getting Cano to third base opened a pivotal three-run inning. Boone Logan, Buddy Carlyle, Brett Gardner and Russell Martin had their own key moments in this game, but Cano’s at-bat and his dash for third changed the complexion of the game and the road trip.

“You never want to have a trip back home – whether it be from Baltimore or L.A. or Seattle or no matter how long or how short – you never want to go home with a loss,” Gardner said. “Any time you can take two out of two against a team in your division, it’s a big plus.”

Gardner’s catch

If Cano’s hit and run were the game-winning plays, then Gardner’s running catch in the eighth was the game-saving play.

“I didn’t (think he would catch it),” Girardi said. “I really didn’t. It’s a game-saving play is what it is. He has a lot of speed and he’s played left field very well for us after making the adjustment last year.”

Gardner was playing in because Mariano Rivera was on the mound facing a left-handed hitter. He was playing where he was supposed to be playing. What the Yankees didn’t count on was Luke Scott actually driving the ball.

“It carried a little bit,” Gardner said. “Usually when Mariano pitches against a left-handed hitter we play in because most of the time he throws a cutter in and a guy gets jammed and bloops it over the third baseman or shortstop’s head. So I was a few steps in, right where I was supposed to be, right where they wanted me, but he got the barrel on it. Just fortunate enough to get back to it. I wasn’t sure if I was going to get to it or not.”

Close second on the game-saving play meter was Cano’s relay throw to the plate, getting Robert Andino trying to score the winning run in the ninth.

“Perfect relay is what it takes,” Girardi said.

As for Cano: “When Swish got the ball, he was stepping on third base,” Cano said. “I was just trying to get it to Martin as fast as I can.”

Rivera’s ninth inning

This Rivera’s second outing in a row with a blown save. He hadn’t pitched since giving up the lead in Toronto on Tuesday, and it was because of that rest – and because Rafael Soriano was out with a tight lower back – that Rivera was called on for four outs.

“I was prepared for that, not pitching in three days,” Rivera said. “I was prepared for that and it happened… There were a couple of close pitches. The umpire called a ball and he thought it was a ball (on the leadoff walk). It was a battle. In the end, Brian (Roberts) put a good ball inside the base. You can’t do nothing against that.”

Of course no one in the Yankees clubhouse is going to express any real concern about Rivera. He’s earned the benefit of the doubt and then some. If anything, Girardi said his cutter might have been moving a little too much in the ninth.

“No. I don’t need to work on anything,” Rivera said. “Just keep pitching and continue fighting. This is not easy, so you have to keep fighting… It’s behind me. You can’t do nothing against that. We won the game and tomorrow is a new day.”

• After a scoreless 10th and a 40-minute rain delay, the Yankees stuck with Logan to face Luke Scott in the 11th. Girardi had elected not to matchup Logan against Scott in the eighth because he didn’t want to burn Logan on just one batter (and he had Rivera). In the end, it was Logan and Buddy Carlyle who got the game saving outs extra innings that the bigger name relievers couldn’t get in regulation. “They’re capable to do that,” Rivera said. “That’s why they’re here. If they weren’t capable, they wouldn’t be in the big leagues. I’m not surprised that they did that.”

• Another six scoreless innings from Freddy Garcia. Bartolo Colon has said several times that he’s surprised himself this season. Has Garcia surprised himself? “Not really,” he said. “That’s my game right now, go out there and throw strikes. If I’m ahead in the count, I won’t get in trouble. I’ve been doing that the last couple games.”

• Garcia hit 90 pitches through six innings, and both he and Girardi said he could have pitched more. Girardi shoes to give him an early break this early in the season. “I would have been fine,” Garcia said. “I hadn’t pitched for a week, which is different. It’s a long season. Six innings, 90 pitches, seven days; they made the decision and that was fine.”

• Soriano said he woke up yesterday with tightness in his lower back. He tried to pitch today, but after a few throws in the bullpen, he knew he was unavailable. He believes he’ll be fine tomorrow. “I played catch like normal,” he said. “When I went to the bullpen, I tried throwing. I called and said I needed one more day.”

• Soriano said he has not had a history of back problems. He’s not worried that this will be a lasting situation. There are no tests scheduled.

• Jeter had four hits and passed Frank Robinson on baseball’s all-time hits list. Fitting that he passed Robinson in Baltimore. “I didn’t know that, I really didn’t,” he said. “But anytime you mention someone like Frank Robinson who you have the utmost respect for what he did in his career. It’s hard to believe.”

• Jeter said there’s no doubt he was out on the play at the plate in the 10th. “I was out,” he said. “It looked like he was going to jump for it so I thought maybe I could get under it, but he blocked the plate.”

• Girardi saw the same thing on both plays at the plate, both Jeter and Andino. “I actually thought they both were out,” Girardi said. “I had a real good view of both of them and I actually thought they both were out.”

• I honestly almost forgot that Curtis Granderson hit another home run in this game. Seems like it happened two days ago. He now has four home runs in his past five games, and five home runs in his past seven games.

• That 11th-inning double extended Cano’s hitting streak to 13 games, and it extended his hitting streak vs. the Orioles to 16 games.

• This was Jeter’s first four-hit game of the year and the 34th four-hit game of his career. He last did it in August of last year.

• Thank goodness for internet on trains. There were a lot of missed flights in that press box today, but a rushed taxi ride to the train station means I’ll get to New York before midnight.

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135 Responses to “Postgame notes: A long and busy day in Baltimore”

  1. 86w183 April 24th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    That was a helluva ballgame. Lots of interesting things over the course of the afternoon.

    Glad I was so much in favor of signing Garcia — there’s something about a guy who simply knows how to pitch. He’ll get his brains beat in if/when he isn’t sharp, but he’s better than most “back end” starters.

    Of course I was big in favor of trading for Fausto Carmona who is riding a roller coaster this season, but that’s show biz.

  2. Bo knows April 24th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Pat

    Full marks to you on your comments pre season on Martin. It’s a pleasure and a privilege watching that man go about his business. It’s a game within a game.

  3. West Coast Yankee Fan April 24th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    I really have been surprised by how Garcia has pitched, I was wrong as I had my doubts how his soft stuff was going to do in the AL East. I didn’t think he had the command he’s exhibited so far. I hope it continues.

    Definite kudos to Cashman for this off-season; so far. Quite an improvement over last year. I don’t think you could do any better than Colon, Garcia, Martin, Chavez and Jones. Outstanding.

  4. tyanksfan36 April 24th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Darn. They dont have Cano stealing 3rd on mlb.com video highlights, I was hoping to see that.

  5. Bo knows April 24th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Cano blew the play. He was picked off and kept going. From there it was all Keystone Kops for the rest of the inning. As someone said “It was Easter for the Yankees and Passover for the Birds.

  6. Wang IS Taiwan April 24th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Never would have thought Martin would be such a big weapon for us this season. He’s been outstanding.

  7. pat April 24th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Mr Martin has his eye on the prize….

    russellmartin55 RT thanks to @cgrand14 I found my new favorite Yankee on Twitter. I say dance off on the float in October!! #55 That’s more like it…

  8. Pat M. April 24th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Bo ….The guy who is flying under the radar is Curtis Granderson……..Give Betsy her due as she and Doreen were real big on him and stuck with when he was no longer a popular flavor in Yankee Land last July…….The dude is the real deal….

  9. West Coast Yankee Fan April 24th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Russell Martin are you kidding me. What a great start.

    .328/.409/.690 – 1.099 OPS

    6 Home Runs – 16 RBI’s – 19 Hits – 12 Runs – 2 SB

    . . . and pretty damn good behind the plate.

  10. tyanksfan36 April 24th, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Who cares if Cano got picked off, he didn’t get thrown out which is all that matters. We win and people still find something to complain about.

  11. Pat M. April 24th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    WCYF…….You saw Russel before he started to play hurt, the guy is solid…….

  12. West Coast Yankee Fan April 24th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Pat, yes he was and then som, utb who knew how he would come back from 09-10 and the injuries, and, adjust to the New York spotlight. Especially with Montero waiting in the wings. I knew he was a good ballplayer — but his professionalism and composure has been off the charts.

  13. West Coast Yankee Fan April 24th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Pat, yes he was and then some, but who knew . . .

  14. jacksquat April 24th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Martin played in LA (the real LA, not Anaheim of LA), which doesn’t have a shortage of media coverage. I was not worried about him handling NYC. And it looks like his off season focus on strength training has really paid off.

  15. Bo knows April 24th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Pat

    It’s all on Mr E. Sure Curtis gets marks for willing to adjust but when I first saw him he drove me nuts. There were so many moving parts it was exhausting to watch him.

    It’s hilarious, Eiland is a genius because he brings it back to basics. Eliminate moving parts.

    But Grandy’s wrists are God Given. He’s a throwback.

    I remember the Old Timers – easy swings and the ball would explode.

  16. West Coast Yankee Fan April 24th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    jacksquat April 24th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Martin played in LA (the real LA, not Anaheim of LA), which doesn’t have a shortage of media coverage. I was not worried about him handling NYC. And it looks like his off season focus on strength training has really paid off.

    *************

    Good point on the strength training, he looks really strong early. LA Dodger media and fans are nothing compared to New York though and it’s really a Laker town. Sure there is Dodger love – but everything is mellow here. We lost? Oh well, let’s go to the beach.

  17. Pat M. April 24th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    WCYF…….Martin’s hard nose style is perfect for The Bronx……Some compared him to Steve Yeager or Mike Scoscia, but it was Vince Scully who made the Thurman Munson comparison…..Quite an honor coming from Vinny

  18. jacksquat April 24th, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    Yeah, I lived in So Cal for several years. You’re right, the fans aren’t quite the same, but there is still a lot of media to answer to after games, etc.

  19. Pat M. April 24th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    jacksquat….The LA media lacks the razor sharp mentality that is NYC and even Boston….However the LA media is much like the Roberta Flack song ” Killing Me Softly “…..They’ll slowly chip away…..

  20. West Coast Yankee Fan April 24th, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    Yes, quite an honor indeed. Many fans in LA thought Martin was dogging it, it was just time for a change of scenery. Still hard to believe he was just dumped like that. His injury wasn’t really a known baseball injury; no one knew how he would recover from it. I think that’s why the Red Sox weren’t totally committed.

  21. Asd April 24th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    > “Girardi shoes to give him an early break this early in the season.”

    I audibly laughed upon reading this.

  22. tyanksfan36 April 24th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    I actually liked Martin when I realized he was the guy that got ejected from the game when the Yankees and Dodgers played last summer, for arguing a called 3rd strike from Mariano Rivera. That feisty-ness I saw that night, I honestly didnt know a thing about him until we signed him, when I looked up all his stats I knew he would be a great addition to the team regardless of his past 2 years.

    Serious question though – if Martin keeps it up do you think he will represent the AL in the All-star game? Joe Mauer is on the DL and will really have to pick it up when he gets back and prove he can stay healthy.

  23. Pat M. April 24th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    WCYF…..It many ways Martin was a salary dump…..McCourt siphoned 109 million dollars into his and her pocket in 4 years….Martin’s salary could have been used for a home in Rancho Mirage but the divorce mess is why he’s not in Chavez Ravine…..

  24. tyanksfan36 April 24th, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Bo knows April 24th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
    Pat

    It’s all on Mr E. Sure Curtis gets marks for willing to adjust but when I first saw him he drove me nuts. There were so many moving parts it was exhausting to watch him.

    It’s hilarious, Eiland is a genius because he brings it back to basics. Eliminate moving parts.

    But Grandy’s wrists are God Given. He’s a throwback.

    I remember the Old Timers – easy swings and the ball would explode.

    ___

    Who knew a pitching coach could help with a batters swing?

  25. LGY April 24th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Pat M,

    The Dodgers spent $66 million over the winter.

  26. LGY April 24th, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Plus they extended Billingsley for $35 million last month.

  27. West Coast Yankee Fan April 24th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    Pat M. April 24th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    WCYF…..It many ways Martin was a salary dump…..McCourt siphoned 109 million dollars into his and her pocket in 4 years….Martin’s salary could have been used for a home in Rancho Mirage but the divorce mess is why he’s not in Chavez Ravine…..

    ***************

    Most likely. What they really knew and when might curl people’s toes.

    I live in a small town just south of LA; Russell Martin lived here. He was a real beach fixture; needless to say there were all sorts of rumors. Lots of athletes here, hockey players, Dodgers, Lakers. It was probably a two hour drive to Chavez Ravine for him.

  28. Pat M. April 24th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    tyyanksfan36….Martin’s stats are inflated of course, but I thought he’d be a .280 20 hr guy in the Yanks lineup…….You know Theo is kicking himself right now……AllStar catcher is possible….Wonder who was the last catcher to be an AS in both leagues ??? Pudge only played in Miami for 1 season ???

  29. LGY April 24th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Correction.

    The Dodgers spent about $80 million over the winter, not 66.

  30. Ghostwriter April 24th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Pat M. April 24th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    tyyanksfan36….Martin’s stats are inflated of course, but I thought he’d be a .280 20 hr guy in the Yanks lineup…….You know Theo is kicking himself right now……AllStar catcher is possible….Wonder who was the last catcher to be an AS in both leagues ??? Pudge only played in Miami for 1 season ???
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    “Five catchers have been All-Stars in BOTH leagues: John Roseboro, Ted Simmons, Lance Parrish, Bo Diaz, and Terry Kennedy. John Roseboro was the first when he appeared for the American League in 1969 after having represented the National League in 1958, 61 and 62. (http://members.tripod.com/bb_c.....lstar4.htm)”

  31. Bo knows April 24th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Who knew a pitching coach could help with a batters swing?

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    Yep, got me.

    This blonde moment thing is embarasking

  32. Rich in NJ April 24th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    If Gardner had made that catch in the WS, it would be remembered for a very long time.

  33. Pat M. April 24th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    LGY…..Dodgers did re-up with Ted Lilly and sign some other parts, but they are looking at a wave of players who will be seeking big money…….Russell was not someone they were going to sign………Ethier is up next, however with Selig over seeing the operations I doubt he’s going to be moved plus they have a good club

  34. tyanksfan36 April 24th, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    Pat M

    I expect him to keep it up, I know that he cant but one can always dream. I know the all-star game doesnt mean much but it would be cool to see another Yankee represent at the catcher position. I love Joe Mauer but he has been slow to get back into this season and he is on the DL indefinitely since they dont know what is wrong with him. Martin I think is the best catcher so far this season besides Posey who is in the NL.

    It will be interesting to see how they work off days for Martin once Cervelli comes back. I dont think that they are playing him so much(not even much at all) because Molina is so bad, if that were the case then both Jeter and Arod would have played 162 games last season since Pena is such a weak hitter.

  35. Bo knows April 24th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Great catch by Gardner, Gardner planting at bats, not so much.

  36. West Coast Yankee Fan April 24th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Injuries are a tough thing and a crap shoot. Martin said in an interview recently that Boston had concerns about his health. Cashman took a shot. Maybe different doctor’s reports who knows.

  37. tyanksfan36 April 24th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    WCYF

    The same thing happened with Aceves. The Yankees didnt think it was worth it to keep him but the Red Sox did, probably just so they could make Yankee fans mad but still. They took a chance and we didnt, Aceves is now playing in their minor league system I think.

  38. LGY April 24th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Pat,

    The Dodgers final offer was $4.2 million plus about $1.5 million in incentives.

    Russell Martin’s final offer to the Dodgers was $5 million plus about $1 million in incentives.

    They cut ties over less than a million in guaranteed money.

  39. Pat M. April 24th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    What gets little attention is how teams aren’t as run happy with Martin behind the plate…..LGY, I didn’t know the specifics that you just provided, but what are they paying Barajas AS Martin’s weak replacement ???/

  40. West Coast Yankee Fan April 24th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    I was one who thought Cashman made a mistake letting Aceves go. It’s a shame that he has regressed, back injuries are tough – he was a very valuable piece. Especially in light of the games recently where having someone left in the pen for extra innings who could go two or three would have been such a plus.

  41. Pat M. April 24th, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    WCYF…….I think that Colon took Aceves’s role….Agree about what he meant to the club, as he could pitch….I saw his first game vs Anaheim a few seasons back and he was real good….Rubber type arm with a fine china type lumbar

  42. LGY April 24th, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    Pat

    3.25 million for Barajas

  43. Pat M. April 24th, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    LGY…..Bad call by The Dodgers….I’m sweating out the Laker game……By the way, the word was that Mattingly wasn’t very happy about losing Martin…..

  44. tyanksfan36 April 24th, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    Speaking of catchers, Poor Jesus, took a foul ball to the business today :(

  45. LGY April 24th, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    Really good series so far.

    Chris Paul would look sweet in a Knick uni. The Knicks desperately missed a PG that could break down the defense and penetrate in their series.

  46. Against All Odds April 25th, 2011 at 12:03 am

    # LGY April 24th, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    Really good series so far.

    Chris Paul would look sweet in a Knick uni. The Knicks desperately missed a PG that could break down the defense and penetrate in their series.

    ———————————

    There are a small number of Knick fans that don’t want him. Sure why would you want an elite pg that’s a leader and steps up big in the post season.

  47. Pat M. April 25th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    LGY……Chris Paul would be the key component for many years to come ……He’ll be on 8th Ave in 2 years

  48. Jackson April 25th, 2011 at 12:09 am

    Paul or Kemba to Charlotte/Knicks down the road

  49. LGY April 25th, 2011 at 12:09 am

    Pat

    I’m hoping a little sooner. Trade deadline next year :D

  50. LGY April 25th, 2011 at 12:12 am

    Yikes. That didn’t look good.

  51. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    “Chris Paul would look sweet in a Knick uni. The Knicks desperately missed a PG that could break down the defense and penetrate in their series.”

    Especially with a different coach, which I hope is going to happen very soon.

  52. Jackson April 25th, 2011 at 12:15 am

    Houston as GM w/ L Frank the head coach?

  53. Pat M. April 25th, 2011 at 12:15 am

    LGY…What does Walsh have that is of value to offer ???

  54. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 12:18 am

    I have no idea what Houston really brings to the table, but for the head coach, I want someone with a proven track record of having actually won championships either in the NBA or in college. Someone who will implement whatever system fits the talent, while emphasizing defense as well as offense.

  55. LGY April 25th, 2011 at 12:18 am

    LGY…What does Walsh have that is of value to offer ???

    ————

    Billups’ 14 million expiring contract is where you start.

  56. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:20 am

    Pat, if they keep Billups, they have his salary which would match up with Paul’s offer. We may not need anything of value to offer. If Paul wants out, they may be forced to get rid of him.

    And as for my comment earlier about Jeter’s ego….

    “Then-manager Joe Torre would scold the third baseman and shortstop for the drop, but Cashman asked his manager to do more. The GM asked Torre to talk to Jeter about improving his relationship with A-Rod. When Torre declined, Cashman confronted Jeter himself.
    “Listen, this has to stop,” the GM told the captain. “Everybody in the press box, every team official, everyone watching, they saw you look at the ball on the ground and look at him with disgust like you were saying, ‘That’s your mess, you clean it up.’”

    “Show me the video,” Jeter told Cashman in disbelief. “Show me the video.”

    The GM didn’t bother, but advised Jeter to do a better job of embracing Rodriguez, if only for the sake of perception. One friend of Jeter’s agreed with Cashman and told the shortstop to try to make A-Rod feel more welcome in the clubhouse.
    “Now you’re sounding like everyone else,” Jeter told the friend”

  57. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:21 am

    match up with Paul’s salary*

    Also, the Knicks future is very promising. The real problem is D’Antoni.

  58. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 12:21 am

    What’s the basis of knowledge for those quotes?

  59. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:22 am

    to be clear, my comments earlier were about the A-Rod/Jeter relationship. Very ironic that this article is written today.

  60. Pat M. April 25th, 2011 at 12:22 am

    newbie….never heard of this interaction with Torre, Cashman and Jeter

  61. Against All Odds April 25th, 2011 at 12:23 am

    # Jackson April 25th, 2011 at 12:15 am

    Houston as GM w/ L Frank the head coach?

    ———————————–

    Give me Doc instead of Frank

  62. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 12:24 am

    The point is that we really have no idea what Jeter and A-Rod’s relationship really is. It’s all unsourced hearsay.

  63. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:24 am

    Pat, they’re from ESPN.com tonight. I’m not a Jeter attacker. I just don’t think he’s infallible. And I do believe he has an ego that hurt the team upon A-Rod’s arrival, culminating with Torre batting A-Rod 8th in the 06 playoffs.

  64. Jackson April 25th, 2011 at 12:25 am

    Rich, I hear you about the GM. It was an alternative to the common idea Thomas will come back if Walsh is gone.

    Frank is a defensive guy for the C’s now and has a decent track record. I couldn’t think of anyone else off the cuff just now.

  65. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:25 am

    Well, Rich, according to Cashman, we do know what their relationship was back in the day.

  66. Against All Odds April 25th, 2011 at 12:27 am

    # Jackson April 25th, 2011 at 12:25 am

    Rich, I hear you about the GM. It was an alternative to the common idea Thomas will come back if Walsh is gone.

    Frank is a defensive guy for the C’s now and has a decent track record. I couldn’t think of anyone else off the cuff just now.

    ——————————-

    Oh yea I know why you chose Frank. Doc is interesting because he does want to take a step back and watch his son play at Duke.

  67. Jackson April 25th, 2011 at 12:27 am

    Odds, I think Doc is goin to take time off if he leaves.

  68. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 12:27 am

    “Well, Rich, according to Cashman, we do know what their relationship was back in the day”

    Where are the direct quotes from Cashman?

  69. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:29 am

    “Listen, this has to stop,” the GM told the captain. “Everybody in the press box, every team official, everyone watching, they saw you look at the ball on the ground and look at him with disgust like you were saying, ‘That’s your mess, you clean it up.’”

    That appears to be a quote by Cashman.

  70. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 12:29 am

    “Frank is a defensive guy for the C’s now and has a decent track record. I couldn’t think of anyone else off the cuff just now”

    I could be wrong, but my perception is that Frank doesn’t have a strong enough personality.

  71. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 12:30 am

    “That appears to be a quote by Cashman.”

    It’s hearsay.

  72. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:31 am

    Fine. If that’s hearsay, then everything a reporter quotes that is not heard by a television audience is hearsay.

    That’s Cashman being quoted.

  73. Against All Odds April 25th, 2011 at 12:31 am

    # Jackson April 25th, 2011 at 12:27 am

    Odds, I think Doc is goin to take time off if he leaves.

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    Yea maybe a yr or two. Let’s say he takes next yr off. Mike is on a 1 yr deal. You let Mike ride it out and pick up Doc for the 2012-2013 season. That is based on him only taking 1 yr off if it’s more than that then they would have to go in another direction.

  74. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 12:33 am

    “That’s Cashman being quoted.”

    Who’s quoting him?

  75. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:35 am

    Ian O’Connor, in his book.

  76. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 12:36 am

    “Ian O’Connor, in his book.”

    Right, and who gave O’Connor those quotes? IOW, who actually heard those words when they were originally said?

  77. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:36 am

    Ian O’Connor heard them. Go read the ESPN article.

  78. Jackson April 25th, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Odds, Rich, gotta run but I’ll catch up another time.

  79. G-C April 25th, 2011 at 12:38 am

    Paul looks like a guy who’s pretty pleased to be where he’s at right now.

    I’d be really shocked if the new CBA allows for the Knicks to do the same thing that Miami did this past offseason. But who knows.

    I still like the Nets prospects better long term. But I’m biased. Really, really biased.

    I hate the Knicks. I couldn’t have been happier that they were swept by BOSTON.

  80. Against All Odds April 25th, 2011 at 12:38 am

    Take care Jackson

  81. AldotheApache April 25th, 2011 at 12:39 am

    Newbie, if you choose to post that kind of drivel, as if to lend it credence, then you invite this …..

    I have read some ridiculous stuff on this blog, but yours takes the prize.

    What’s up next? Supermarket tabloid stories?

  82. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:39 am

    “Don’t you think Ive tried? I try, and sometimes I’ve just got to walk away and come back and try again, but you know I’ve tried. And every time I try, he’ll do something that pushes me away” -Jeter

    Sorry, Jeets, but nothing should get in the way of building a championship team. And making the team’s best hitter feels comfortable is well within reason.

  83. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 12:39 am

    “Ian O’Connor heard them. Go read the ESPN article.”

    Link?

  84. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:41 am

    Link? ESPN.com. Front page. You can go there yourself.

    By the way, that Jeter quote admits having a problem with A-Rod.

  85. LGY April 25th, 2011 at 12:41 am

    CP3 on battling with his friend Kobe: “I don’t care if my mama’s out there, I’d hit her too.”

  86. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 12:43 am

    “Link? ESPN.com. Front page. You can go there yourself.”

    O’Connor didn’t hear those quotes himself.

  87. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:43 am

    And FYI, I’m disgusted that this stuff is being mentioned by ESPN, and that this crap is getting aired again. These NY writers can’t let the past go, always trying to stir up trouble for the Yankees.

  88. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 12:45 am

    Yet you are republishing hearsay and passing it along as fact.

  89. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:46 am

    Fine, but it makes no difference. We believe quotes all the time that are put out by reporters based on what they’ve heard.

  90. AldotheApache April 25th, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Rich, come to think of it, this newbie posting entire article segments without attribution is exactly the kind of behavior I’ve seen here from one other poster, with zero credibility.

  91. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Yes, Rich, because I got mocked earlier today for claiming Jeter has an ego, and his ego was on full display with his treatment of A-Rod.

    Also, NY reporters putting this out there means something; myself posting on a blog means nothing.

  92. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:48 am

    *and for saying his ego was on full

  93. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 12:49 am

    “Fine, but it makes no difference. We believe quotes all the time that are put out by reporters based on what they’ve heard.”

    Who’s we?

    People who don’t have an agenda only believe direct quotes, not quotes that are relayed by third parties.

  94. stuckey99 April 25th, 2011 at 12:50 am

    I like Arod just fine and I like Jeter just fine, but I wonder if Arod’s gain as a sympathetic figure in relationship to Jeter has to do with the fact he’s one is performing and one is not the last couple of years.

  95. AldotheApache April 25th, 2011 at 12:50 am

    newbie poster says:
    April 25, 2011 at 12:43 am
    And FYI, I’m disgusted that this stuff is being mentioned by ESPN, and that this crap is getting aired again. These NY writers can’t let the past go, always trying to stir up trouble for the Yankees.

    ———–

    Rich in NJ says:
    April 25, 2011 at 12:45 am
    Yet you are republishing hearsay and passing it along as fact.

    ———

    Nailed it.

  96. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 12:51 am

    “Yes, Rich, because I got mocked earlier today for claiming Jeter has an ego, and his ego was on full display with his treatment of A-Rod.”

    You’re confusing ego with id, and you really have no idea how he treated A-Rod.

  97. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:51 am

    Fact or fiction, the opinion is held by many. It may be right, it may be wrong. But I was mocked for holding that opinion. As if having that opinion is against the blog rules.

    I’d be overjoyed if the whole Jeter/A-Rod relationship of the 2000s was all a lie.

  98. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:52 am

    Nailed it? Somehow, you’re comparing me, an anonymous blogger, to a reporter who can influence others with his words.

  99. tyanksfan36 April 25th, 2011 at 12:54 am

    Both Jeter and Arod have big egos, they are men who play baseball and make a ton of money. who gives a rats left nut about their relationship? I am pretty sure it wasnt Jeter being a meanie that kept them out of the WS all those years.

  100. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:58 am

    you’re an idiot tyanksfan. If A-Rod, whom back then cared what everyone thought of him, felt unwelcomed, then his performance might have been affected. Use your brain, you stooge.

    Like I said, perhaps the whole thing has always been a myth created by the NY media to start trouble. But, if true, it hurt the team, because as spoken by Alex on many occasions, he used to be affected too much by how others viewed him. Anyone with half a brain would think that Alex might have been affected if his own captain looked down upon him.

  101. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:59 am

    With that, good night.

  102. West Coast Yankee Fan April 25th, 2011 at 1:01 am

    One has to read a book in it’s entirety IMO, see what footnotes exist, and what reference material it leads to — and then each person can make a judgment as to it’s credibility if they care to.

    It’s no surprise that in New York City, such reported details about Derek Jeter and A-Rod and the negotiations would garner such interest.

  103. AldotheApache April 25th, 2011 at 1:01 am

    newbie poster says:
    April 25, 2011 at 12:52 am
    Nailed it? Somehow, you’re comparing me, an anonymous blogger, to a reporter who can influence others with his words.

    ——-

    Don’t flatter yourself. I’m comparing you to someone else here who often posts articles without proper attribution and also takes liberties with the facts.

  104. Rich in NJ April 25th, 2011 at 1:01 am

    “you’re an idiot tyanksfan. ”

    Classy, dude.

    Her one post made a ton more sense that everything you posted.

  105. West Coast Yankee Fan April 25th, 2011 at 1:09 am

    Judging from the ESPM.COM story, Ian O’Connor seems at first glance to be writing based on person to person meetings with Jeter, Cashman, etc. One would hope a reporter would take accurate notes or record the interview if allowed or at least to be accurate. To make things up would be foolish in his position. It will be interesting to see what Jeter, Cashman, etc. say about the book. Will they deny they said some things, etc.

    Some people may not care, but this will get pretty big play in the New York media, talk shows, blogs, etc.

  106. stuckey99 April 25th, 2011 at 1:11 am

    “Some people may not care, but this will get pretty big play in the New York media, talk shows, blogs, etc.”

    What’s your point?

  107. West Coast Yankee Fan April 25th, 2011 at 1:11 am

    Newbie there are women here and some are school aged. Please don’t use that language here.

  108. West Coast Yankee Fan April 25th, 2011 at 1:12 am

    I was referring to some “who cares” comments above.

  109. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 1:14 am

    Im sure Rich will defend them too, with THE ulterior motive of course. :)

  110. tyanksfan36 April 25th, 2011 at 1:15 am

    Oh right because baseball is only played by one person. Forgot.

    And Alex is the one that ruined their friendship by saying those things about Jeter in Esquire magazine. Jeter thought they were friends and Alex offended him, of course he would be mad and Alex deserved it. Only an idiot would come out and offend his friend and think he would let it go.

  111. stuckey99 April 25th, 2011 at 1:16 am

    “Who cares” is just another way of saying “what does it matter?”

    Do you care?

  112. stuckey99 April 25th, 2011 at 1:18 am

    “newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 12:59 am

    “With that, good night.”

    Why is it that people declare “good night” in the midst of a debate never really mean it?

  113. West Coast Yankee Fan April 25th, 2011 at 1:20 am

    I wouldn’t say I care as much as I am interested.

  114. West Coast Yankee Fan April 25th, 2011 at 1:23 am

    Newbie – you do realize that the powers that be will ban you if you keep using that language. Is that your goal? To just let loose and get banned? That word you just used is absolutely unacceptable; it’s deeply offensive.

  115. newbie poster April 25th, 2011 at 1:26 am

    I didnt know i could get banned? how does that work?

  116. West Coast Yankee Fan April 25th, 2011 at 1:27 am

    I’m not going there with you. Bye now.

  117. Pat M. April 25th, 2011 at 1:36 am

    newbie, you crossed the line…I’ve had my conflicts with this person regarding baseball topics however she’s a good person and deserves far better than this…..

  118. Carl April 25th, 2011 at 2:39 am

    Jeter has already came out and said it’s not his book.

    Nothing to do with it.

  119. Crawdaddy April 25th, 2011 at 4:30 am

    It’s definitely time for one poster to say goodbye for good.

  120. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 25th, 2011 at 6:56 am

    When did Smackerel become the idiot of the board ? Did I miss the election results ?

  121. BIG AL April 25th, 2011 at 7:00 am

    newbie poster -

    It’s my hope you’ll be banned for your highly offensive posts.

    If you can’t win your point, without resorting to that kind of language, then you need to find some place else to post.

  122. Gary April 25th, 2011 at 7:12 am

    Did something I usually never do which is go to the blog during the game. The posts were amongst the most vile I has seen in the last time. There are some real idiots on there.

    Hice rally yesterday, Jeter had a good game and we probably would have won earlier if not for that laser beam throw from center. Got to give their CF credit for that one, I thought there was no chance we didn’t score.

    Mo for the second game walked the first guy. Not something that happens usually and I’d guess if there was one thing he would focus on it was those walks. Roberts is just a tough out, lucky we got the guy at the plate I was holding my breath.

  123. blake April 25th, 2011 at 7:39 am

    Just skimmed through the all night discussion about whether Jeter and Arod were BFFs 7 years ago…..

    Gary,

    The game threads these days are impossible. You can’t have a conversation with anyone because of the trolls and whiners about a team on a 108 win pace.

  124. pat April 25th, 2011 at 7:44 am

    Good Morning.

    When Derek says “nothing to do with it” there may be semantics at work.

    Someone who has a reputation for being as private as Derek would have a confidentiality agreement with people they employ and Derek’s trainer did an interview with O’Connor on Derek’s workouts including how Derek foresaw his future in baseball playing out. The article was on ESPN.com this winter. Unless that trainer is now his former trainer, Derek gave permission for that conversation to take place

    O’Connor also has quotes in the book that he attributes Derek saying to him unless they are fake.

    Derek may mean he didn’t ask O’Connor to write it (making it unauthorized) and he may not be profitting from it when he says “nothing to do with it” but it appears him and some close to him contributed to it by speaking with O’Connor.

  125. mikey487 April 25th, 2011 at 8:32 am

    Holy cow. X rated posts at 8 in the morning. I can hardly stand it.
    I wish this blog had the feature like some others where individuals can invite others and then carry on private chats amonsgt themselves with whatever four letter words and graphic anatomy references get them off. Then the rest of us could focus on baseball.

  126. MTU April 25th, 2011 at 8:35 am

    Blake-

    I stopped going to the game threads a loooong time ago.

    They have only gotten worse over time.

    IMO all the petty bickering gets tedious often descending into a sewer of negativity.

    Not worth the trouble.

  127. blake April 25th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    MTU,

    I agree….occasionally, usually only in a Yankee blow out you can talk baseball with good posters. Its tough though…..they really should at the very least delete the inappropriate comments from last night.

  128. Gary April 25th, 2011 at 8:45 am

    I’d give the Sox posters some credit as long as they kept it civil. Usually though that isn’t the case. The Sox seems to have found themselves at least for the moment and they have been pitching for the most part lights out the last week. I never thought they would not be a team that would have to be reckoned with.

    On the other hand we have matched them game for game and also have three games in hand on them now due to rainouts, hopefully we win most of them and stretch our lead at some point. We aren’t going to roll over for anyone and certaintly we don’t have to take lip service from them.

  129. Don Vito A. Bellamo April 25th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    blake, love the “glass half full”, actually way more than half full “theme” of you also noticing the Yankees are on pace to win 108 games. Of course, it is truly early in the season, but a 12-6 start is fantastic, especially with all the questions that all the experts had about our starting pitching & how poorly that Mr. Hughes has started out. I hope that other teams start to put the same importance on beating the start of the season “heavy favorites” to wind it all, Red Sox, that they put on beating the Yankees, but if this last LAA series that swept is any indicator, the Yankees are still the team that everyone just MUST beat. Have a great day, ALL ! :-)

  130. MTU April 25th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Blake-

    Some of our very best folks have been driven off, or just don’t want to bother anymore.

    This used to be a community where you could learn a lot about a lot of things. Not just baseball. Some liked that. Some didn’t.

    IMO the character of the blog has gone steadily downhill of late.

    Most of the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the LoHud IT people and the beancounters at the paper who refuse to consider solutions that might help.

  131. Tar April 25th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Morning everybody!

    I thought the other night was a pretty good game thread (I think it was Saturday). Probably because they jumped out to an early lead. There was a good mix and I really do not remember any idiots coming on.

    Maybe we should pick a night to take back the game thread from the idiots. Kind of like Sunday Mornings used to be.

  132. BIG AL April 25th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    MTU -

    Good morning. Loved those pictures. Did you get very close to those snakes, or where you using telephoto lens? Some shots reminded me of a couple of folks on this board, lol.

  133. BIG AL April 25th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    MTU -

    Are you aware of a method of cleaning picture slides that’s safe?

  134. BoJo April 25th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Newbie–

    I think you got off on a wrong foot. If interested in posting here or any other blog, try to read the guidelines. Here they are for this blog:

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....this-blog/

    You may have to write Chad for a second chance.

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