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Hughes and Teixeira updates

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 27, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Phil Hughes is going to see a specialist in St. Louis. One of his tests showed that the might have a circulatory problem. Nothing is certain — still — but he might have this problem, so he’s seeing another doctor.

Mark Teixeira has a sore shoulder. He felt it after diving yesterday and felt it again tonight. That’s why he was pulled from the game.

 
 

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138 Responses to “Hughes and Teixeira updates”

  1. ac1 April 27th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    sucks for hughes.
    i am sure he would rather have an actual injury than a possible health condition.

  2. BoJo April 27th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu.....MH0002406/

  3. pat April 27th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Matt Harrison, Hank Blalock, John Rheinecker, Jeremy Bonderman, Kenny Rogers, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, and Noah Lowry have all had TOS.

    J. R. Richard suffered a career-ending stroke from an undiagnosed case of TOS. Pitcher

    David Cone had a variant of TOS, with an arterial aneurysm of the upper aspect of his pitching arm.

    Overhead athletes, such as swimmers and volleyball players, are known to be predisposed to the development of TOS.

  4. LGY April 27th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Apparently the over/under on the Heat/Sixers game was 187.

    Wade’s dunk made the final total 188 :shock:

  5. pat April 27th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    YankeesPR Congrats to Joe Girardi on his 300th win as Yankees Manager!

  6. JoeyA April 27th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Hope it’s nothing serious for Hughes. Though I would imagine he will be out for a good amount of time with this situation.

    Tex will probably get a day or two off. God knows the man can use it.

    What a performance by Colon. He mixed pitches, threw strikes and kept the Sox off balance all night. Nights like tonight remind you he was a Cy Young winner.

    Cashman bashers have to suck it up for another night as his low risk-high reward signing seems to be paying off.

    Penny/Smoltz < Colon/Garcia

  7. Against All Odds April 27th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    # pat April 27th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Matt Harrison, Hank Blalock, John Rheinecker, Jeremy Bonderman, Kenny Rogers, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, and Noah Lowry have all had TOS.

    J. R. Richard suffered a career-ending stroke from an undiagnosed case of TOS. Pitcher

    David Cone had a variant of TOS, with an arterial aneurysm of the upper aspect of his pitching arm.

    Overhead athletes, such as swimmers and volleyball players, are known to be predisposed to the development of TOS.

    —————————————————————-

    Definitely not what I wanted to hear but thanks for posting.

  8. Against All Odds April 27th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    # LGY April 27th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Apparently the over/under on the Heat/Sixers game was 187.

    Wade’s dunk made the final total 188 :shock:

    ————————————————-

    Wade is on the take SMH

  9. JobaTipsHisCap April 27th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    boston beat Heat is a LOCK, in 6.

  10. West Coast Yankee Fan April 27th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Reposted from Previous Thread:

    Hughes – Low level risk of (sp) Thorasic Outlet Syndrome – a circulatory issue. Sending him to a Dr. Thompson in St. Louis to find out for sure. (Joe Girardi)

    “Thoracic outlet syndrome is a rare condition that involves pain in the neck and shoulder, numbness and tingling of the fingers, and a weak grip. The thoracic outlet is the area between the rib cage and collar bone.

    Blood vessels and nerves coming from the spine or major blood vessels of the body pass through a narrow space near the shoulder and collarbone on their way to the arms. As they pass by or through the collarbone (clavicle) and upper ribs, they may not have enough space.

    Pressure (compression) on these blood vessels or nerves can cause symptoms in the arms or hands. Problems with the nerves cause almost all cases of thoracic outlet syndrome.

    Compression can be caused by an extra cervical rib (above the first rib) or an abnormal tight band connecting the spinal vertebra to the rib. Patients often have injured the area in the past or overused the shoulder.

    Symptoms of thoracic outlet syndrome may include:

    - Pain, numbness, and tingling in the pinky and ring fingers, and the inner forearm

    - Pain and tingling in the neck and shoulders (carrying something heavy may make the pain worse)

    - Signs of poor circulation in the hand or forearm (a bluish color, cold hands, or a swollen arm)

    - Weakness of the muscles in the hand”

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu.....MH0002406/

  11. m1kew April 27th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    thoracic outlet syndrome

    Treatment
    When thoracic outlet syndrome affects the nerves, the first treatment is always physical therapy. Physical therapy helps strengthen the shoulder muscles, improve range of motion, and promote better posture. Treatment may also include pain medication.

    If there is pressure on the vein, your doctor may give you a blood thinner to dissolve the blood clot. This will help reduce swelling in your arm.

    You may need surgery if physical therapy and changes in activity do not improve your symptoms. The surgeon may make a cut either under your armpit or just above your collarbone.

    During surgery, the following may be done:

    •An extra rib is removed and certain muscles are cut.

    •A section of the first rib is removed to release pressure in the area.

    •Bypass surgery is done to reroute blood around the compression or remove the area that is causing the symptoms.

    Your doctor may also suggest other alternatives, including angioplasty if the artery is narrowed.

    Expectations (prognosis)
    Having the first rib removed and the fibrous bands broken may relieve symptoms in certain patients. Surgery can be successful in 50% to 80% of patients. Conservative approaches using physical therapy are helpful for many patients.

    At least 5% of patients have symptoms that return after surgery.

  12. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Nice job by Gregg so far. Guthrie deserved a lot better, but it will happen.

    O’S WIN!!!!!

    :)

  13. Rich in NJ April 27th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    I doubt that Girardi is revealing everything he knows about Hughes, and for good reason.

  14. Joe from Long Island April 27th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Not sure what to make of the Hughes’ news. Sending him to this MD in St. Louis makes me wonder why. New York City is known to have a few doctors, a couple of small hospitals that some may have heard of – Columbia-Presbyterian, NY Hospital-Cornell Medical Center, New York University, Hospital for Special Surgery……

    There actually are a number of surgeons who have experience in diagnosing and treating thoracic outlet issues. If you have it, the treatment(s) are not a secret. By referring Hughes to Dr. Thompson in St. Louis, it makes me wonder if – despite the many tests and imaging studies that Phil was subjected to – it still is not clear cut, one way or the other; hence the referral to the presumed guru. That happens sometimes.

    Ya know, these doctors just don’t know anything.

  15. JoeyA April 27th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Did anyone see this call in the Mets game?!

    Reyes hit a one-out triple in the top of the 9th and was out @ 3rd by a terrible call from the umpire.

  16. m1kew April 27th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    the info i posted on thoracic outlet syndrome was from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu.....MH0002406/

  17. mick April 27th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Ahhhh, the sweet whiff of Colon…

  18. Bring in the Goose April 27th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    They broke the mold on this one for sure:

    http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/.....9/7049.jpg

  19. pat April 27th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    “…it still is not clear cut, one way or the other; hence the referral to the presumed guru.”

    Basically what Girardi said. Low level positive on the tests so they can’t say for sure whether he has it or not so off to Dr. Thompson for a more definitive diagnosis.

  20. GreenBeret7 April 27th, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    oe in LI, this was the injury/abnormality that I was referring to in that 5:30 PM post. I would have known the exact termanalogy if I had stayed at the Holiday Inn Express last night. Unfortuately, I could only afford a Motel 6. I’m just thankful that Tom Bodette left the light on for me.

  21. LGY April 27th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    AL East Standings

    NY Yankees
    Tampa Bay
    Toronto
    Baltimore
    Boston :(

  22. GreenBeret7 April 27th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    ***Joe In LI, this was the injury.abnormality***

  23. m1kew April 27th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Hughes may have low-level thoracic outlet syndrome
    By Mike Axisa (http://riveraveblues.com/)
    … Jeremy Bonderman had thoracic outlet syndrome in 2008, and he was never the same again.

  24. Joe from Long Island April 27th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    GB – I feel sorry for the kid, I really do. His hamstring, his rib, now this hanging over his head. It takes some real mental strength to keep your head up and keep plowing ahead. Fortunately, he seems to come from a good family that will help support him.

    At age 25, not many have experience in dealing with the travails of life. Certainly not like those of a certain age like….. (fill in the blank however you wish ;) )

  25. G. Love April 27th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    Colon was brilliant tonight. I’m having so much fun watching him pitch. It’s like wiffle ball the way he is making the ball dart through the zone.

    Please don’t turn into a pumpkin (no fat jokes please).

    With that stuff and this offense, he’ll win 18.

  26. Yankee Trader April 27th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    I mentioned this the other day, but we never heard that he was having any pain, numbness/tingling or coldness of his pitching extremity. Also can measure BP in each arm-should be significantly lower in the arm with thoracic outlet syndrome.

  27. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    This syndrome seems hardcore, we may have lost Hughes forever. At least, the Hughes with top tier potential.

  28. Rich in NJ April 27th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    I’m withholding judgment until we have more information.

  29. trisha - true pinstriped blue April 27th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    LGY April 27th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    :D :D :D

  30. BBFan April 27th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    “This syndrome seems hardcore, we may have lost Hughes forever. At least, the Hughes with top tier potential.”

    Athletes have come back better from even more serious health issues. Lester from Cancer.

  31. LGY April 27th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Please don’t turn into a pumpkin (no fat jokes please

    ——

    Colon’s round frame is what makes him so lovable. Don’t take that from us G Love.

  32. West Coast Yankee Fan April 27th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Girardi reported it as a “very low-level risk”.

  33. GreenBeret7 April 27th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Joe, if this is the situation with Hughes, it’s not likely something that just happened I wouldn’t think. That could have been part of the issues with his late season struggles last year. As I said, I’m no doctor….just an emergency medic with the military. We dealt with more simple things like patching holes and fixing up snake bites. That would take a Hell of a player to pitch as well as he did with this. Luckily, he’s like Cone and bounces back as good as new. Luckily, he’s still very young.

  34. G. Love April 27th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Can’t say anything about Hughes until we know what the diagnosis and treatment/recovery will be.

    That said, he wasn’t right and it wouldn’t shock me if he was hiding an injury again from the team. He’s done it before here.

    While it’s valiant of him to not complain about injuries and try to gut through it, it sucks for the team. Colon could have started in his place earlier and kept the games competitive. The silver lining is the Yankees didn’t let him keep going out there to get his brains beat in while he had no stuff.

  35. austinmac April 27th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    GB,

    I knew I was living large when I stayed at a Motel 6 years ago and had to pay extra for a key to operate the tv.

  36. G. Love April 27th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    LGY,

    So you’ll be attending Bartolo Colon Hug Day? All fans who can get their arms around him in the Great Hall get all you can eat flan.

  37. Joe from Long Island April 27th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Can we not write off Phil just yet? I wouldn’t want any of you guys making decisions for me.

    On another note, I see where Daniel Bard, the closer in-waiting for the Red Sox, has been taking lessons from Papelbon…….

  38. GreenBeret7 April 27th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    Mac, that’s how they can afford Tom Bodette. Luckily, they haven’t gotten around to pay toilets in the rooms, yet.

  39. Joe from Long Island April 27th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    I’m done for the night. Good night, all, and back at it tomorrow.

    That is, if the world doesn’t blow up.

  40. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    Hope its more David Cone, less Jeremy Bonderman/Saltalamacchia. Don’t want hughes to have contracted suckitis.

  41. GreenBeret7 April 27th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    If the world blows up tonight, Joe, we’re lucky enough to have experts in here that have all of the answers. Maybe not the correct answers, but they have answers, none the less.

  42. BBFan April 27th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Lot of great things from today’s game.

    Colon was great and now his ERA is 2.77, unbeleivable. He has two wins and if he goes not get hurt, he may win 15 games.

    Though small sample, Jones improved his average to .316. This should help while gardner is in a slump.

    Mo rebounded, there was never a doubt about it.

    Cano is Cano. What a sweet swing.

    And Sox lost and are behind five games in the loss column inspite of the fact that Yanks lost two tough games before winning today.

  43. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    If Hughes does have this thing, I wonder how they are going to treat it. If its low level it looks like physical therapy is possible, which means his return this season is greater than 0. But if its surgery, it looks like he’d be gone all year.

  44. Rich in NJ April 27th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    “If the world blows up tonight, Joe, we’re lucky enough to have experts in here that have all of the answers. Maybe not the correct answers, but they have answers, none the less.”

    If the world actually blows up, is an answer really right or wrong if no one is around to hear it?

  45. LGY April 27th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Good thing the Yankees determined that Hughes is built for starting and Joba is not even though Hughes can’t stay healthy :(

  46. Rich in NJ April 27th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    “Good thing the Yankees determined that Hughes is built for starting and Joba is not even though Hughes can’t stay healthy ”

    Well done!

  47. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    Reporters finding more positive comps on the TOS deal. Matt Harrison, Aaron Cook.

  48. austinmac April 27th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Hughes has a physical problem as shown by his decreased velocity. Once they diagnose it, they can begin to fix it. Let’s not make dire projections. The odds are he will be fine.

  49. Rich in NJ April 27th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    I don’t think we know if the odds are good or bad. That’s why it’s futile to speculate.

  50. Nick in SF April 27th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Phil Hughes violated the Terms Of Service??? :cry:

  51. Against All Odds April 27th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    # LGY April 27th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    Good thing the Yankees determined that Hughes is built for starting and Joba is not even though Hughes can’t stay healthy :(

    ————————————————

    I was thinking about that today. I thought it’s weird that Joba was put in the pen because they were concerned about his shoulder but if you look at their careers Hughes has been hurt more. That doesn’t mean I take joy in that but it is interesting

  52. igotid88 April 27th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    LGY April 27th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
    Good thing the Yankees determined that Hughes is built for starting and Joba is not even though Hughes can’t stay healthy
    ———————

    You can’t predict injuries

  53. Rich in NJ April 27th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Or perhaps the Yankees violated Phil Hughes?

  54. Carlo April 27th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    I’ve seen several posts talking about Hughes as we know him being done for good. I don’t know why folks feel this way. It seems this has happened to multiple players and there are examples of players coming back better than they were.

  55. tyanksfan36 April 27th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    Now I remember where I have heard of TOS. When Hank Blalock was playing with the Rays last year they spent about 30 minutes talking about it during one game and I read about it in the paper. Poor Phil I hope he gets a correct diagnosis and they do what is best for him. not that they wouldnt of course.

  56. blake April 27th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Hope Tex and Hughes are ok. For Hughes it seems a diagnosis of any kind would be a good thing….if they know what the problem is then that’s half the battle.

  57. tyanksfan36 April 27th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    I think its unfair to say that he cant even stay healthy. Its not like he twisted his ankle, pulled a hammy, jammed a finger and got a blister all in the same season. They think he has a syndrome. Should Sam Fuld not play everyday because he is diabetic?

  58. Against All Odds April 27th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    # igotid88 April 27th, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    LGY April 27th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
    Good thing the Yankees determined that Hughes is built for starting and Joba is not even though Hughes can’t stay healthy
    ———————

    You can’t predict injuries

    ———————–

    true but you can determine if certain players are more susceptible to injuries than others

  59. Rich in NJ April 27th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Few players in sports history got hurt more than Phil Simms. He was largely injured for his first five seasons before establishing himself as an upper echelon NFL QB.

  60. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    I think its unfair to say that he cant even stay healthy. Its not like he twisted his ankle, pulled a hammy, jammed a finger and got a blister all in the same season.

    This would be preferable to losing multiple seasons to injury. For me injury prone is being injured often across your entire career, never quite making it to full seasons.

  61. LGY April 27th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    “I think its unfair to say that he cant even stay healthy. Its not like he twisted his ankle, pulled a hammy, jammed a finger and got a blister all in the same season. They think he has a syndrome. Should Sam Fuld not play everyday because he is diabetic?”

    —————–

    Hughes has played in 106 games for the Yankees.

    He has spent 243 days on the DL (and counting).

  62. Triple Short of a Cycle April 27th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    If pain is associated with this disorder was Hughes keeping this to himself or did the Yankees know about it?

  63. Tom in N.J. April 27th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    A.J. was injury “prone” until he became a Yankee.

  64. pat April 27th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Hughes says he has no pain just weakness.

  65. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Should Sam Fuld not play everyday because he is diabetic?

    -

    This isn’t a good analogy. Can Sam Fuld play everyday despite being diabetic? If he is so diabetic that he cannot play full seasons and routinely spends lots of time on the DL, then he would be injury prone. Diabetic or not. If you go on the DL so much and basically can’t play a complete season, then you’re injury prone.

    I think Hughes has had some flukey injuries. I didn’t think he would be injured much going forward, but it looks like he has the same bug that afflicts some guys. A series of unrelated injuries that just pile up.

    Some guys just keep ruining their elbows or shoulders. Some guys pull hammies, then sprain an ankle, then break a rib, then have sporadic omelets syndrome.

  66. Rich in NJ April 27th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    But soreness has been talked about, comparing it to being punched in the arm.

  67. GreenBeret7 April 27th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    Well, hell, if that’s the case, the Yankees should have traded Mantle after his 4th year. he kept getting hurt.

    This is not an injury. It’s a physical malady…like diabetes and cancer.

  68. tyanksfan36 April 27th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Jerkface/LGY

    you are missing my point.

    What I was saying was that you cant predict that someone will have a syndrome like this. Its not like all the things I described which I would think an injury prone person would have, they could probably do the tests they did on Phil on every major league baseball player and find a few more with that syndrome. I was saying that it is unfair to say he cant stay healthy when this is obviously not a normal injury you would think of.

  69. Rich in NJ April 27th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Keep in mind, we’re all talking out of our derrières because we know < nothing about Hughes' situation.

  70. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Tyanks, you said its unfair to say he can’t stay healthy, but so far he has injury or malady he has not been healthy for the majority of his time in the yankee system. I wouldn’t go to predict him as being injured for the rest of his career or anything, but I’d categorize his yankee time as being injury/malady filled.

  71. LGY April 27th, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    “I was saying that it is unfair to say he cant stay healthy when this is obviously not a normal injury you would think of.”

    —————-

    Why does it matter if it is normal or not?

  72. tyanksfan36 April 27th, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    GB

    Thanks, at least someone understands what I am trying to say. Holding a syndrome against Phil as being a reason why he shouldnt be a starter just doesnt make sense to me. They dont call Sam Fuld injury prone because he is diabetic and might miss a few games or innings because of his diabetes. Its something he deals with and moves on. Phil wasnt hurt last season either.

  73. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Well I didn’t say anything about him being a starter or not but he has been hurt in 07 08 and 11, as well as in the minors.

  74. LGY April 27th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    “Well, hell, if that’s the case, the Yankees should have traded Mantle after his 4th year. he kept getting hurt.”

    ————–

    Mickey Mantle played in 142, 127, 146, and 147 games in his first full 4 seasons?

    And who said to trade Hughes?

    Although in hindsight, they probably should have done so for Halladay.

  75. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    And these maladies, injuries, booboos, or whatever term you wanna use have seriously hindered his career and ability to help the yankees win baseball games. It stinks. Hughes is my favorite pitcher I just want to see him pitch some full seasons.

  76. LGY April 27th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Unless Sam Fuld’s diabetes puts him on the DL and makes him miss significant time the situation is not comparable.

  77. GreenBeret7 April 27th, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    Look at the ones that drool over Brandon Morrow, who wears an insulin pump while pitching. One of the best 3rd baseen in history was a diabetic before much was known about how to treat active athletes (Ron Santo). If this is the case with Hughes, it’s a slumbling block, not a career ender. Is he through for the season? Not necessarily. It’s early in the season. We’ll find out soon enough.

  78. Nick in SF April 27th, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    Charmin-soft pitchers like Hughes are often more prone to rare maladies.

    On that we can surely all agree.

  79. Tom in N.J. April 27th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Ledger_Yankees:

    Cook’s surgery done by the same guy Hughes is visiting.

    Looks like it’s a 12-hour surgery to correct TOS. Involves removal of a rib.

    Again, don’t know whether Hughes has TOS or not, it’s just a possibility that the Yankees want to investigate.

  80. tyanksfan36 April 27th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    LGY

    I made the comparison because it is a type of syndrome, like something he didnt bring upon himself, he has learned how to manage it so it wont send him to the DL, unless he gets a bad cut or takes a bad foul ball off the leg, then it might send him to the DL where someone else might just put on a bandaid.

    honestly, I dont care to argue about it because I dont make decisions on who plays and what role they have. I was just trying to defend Phil because its not like he has asked for all these bad things to happen to him, I am sure its not what he envisioned when he signed with the team.

  81. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    This diabetes comp just isn’t applicable.

  82. raymagnetic April 27th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    The past two years I seem to recall Hughes helping the Yankees win quite a few ball games.

  83. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    I don’t think most players who get injured bring it on themselves. Unless you mean that by participating in any kind of physical sport they are bringing it upon themselves. (You can bring diabetes upon yourself with your dietary choices )

  84. LGY April 27th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    “I was just trying to defend Phil because its not like he has asked for all these bad things to happen to him, I am sure its not what he envisioned when he signed with the team.”

    —————-

    What athlete on the planet asks for injuries?

    I really don’t understand these responses.

  85. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    The past two years I seem to recall Hughes helping the Yankees win quite a few ball games.

    Just think of what he could have done in 07 and 08! And 2010 playoffs if he wasn’t pitching deep for the first time in his life. Injuries have altered Hughes career trajectory.

  86. Carlo April 27th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Crawford tonight. 0-4 and saw a total of 7 pitches. that is awful.

  87. BD (Boston Dave) April 27th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    how certain are they that he has sporadic omelet syndrome anyway?

    it seems at least possible that they are grasping at straws to find at least some sort of possible explanation… and that seemed like a possibilty.

    but i didnt have a chance to read much today – so are they more than 50% sure that’s what it is?

  88. tyanksfan36 April 27th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    then ignore what I said, geez.

  89. GreenBeret7 April 27th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Ray and Boston Dave, let me know if you can open this little sound clip of Mel allen.

    http://www.mickeymantle.com/audio/052263.mp3

  90. Rich in NJ April 27th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    “Looks like it’s a 12-hour surgery to correct TOS. Involves removal of a rib.”

    Obviously, what would be a concern is the cutting of muscle to reach it, but that’s assuming he has it and needs surgery, and we can’t assume that.

  91. G. Love April 27th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    BD,

    Exactly. He may not even have it. Although, if they don’t find a physical reason to explain this, then Hughes could lose an entire season to having a dead arm and we’re back where we started with him with innings limits.

  92. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    but i didnt have a chance to read much today – so are they more than 50% sure that’s what it is?

    Not sure at all I think. They are getting a 2nd opinion from the expert of circulatory doctors. But no word on when that opinion will be given.

  93. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Exactly. He may not even have it. Although, if they don’t find a physical reason to explain this, then Hughes could lose an entire season to having a dead arm and we’re back where we started with him with innings limits.

    I’d prefer he get diagnosed with something treatable that means he can return this season.

  94. Against All Odds April 27th, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    # Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    The past two years I seem to recall Hughes helping the Yankees win quite a few ball games.

    Just think of what he could have done in 07 and 08! And 2010 playoffs if he wasn’t pitching deep for the first time in his life. Injuries have altered Hughes career trajectory.

    ——————————————

    He might have been the top of the rotation ace that the Yankees always thought he would be.

  95. stuckey99 April 27th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    I don’t know, maybe it’s just the way I’m wired, but this strikes me as potentially encouraging news.

    There is no guarantee this “condition” or injury is treatable in the sense Hughes can fully recover, but there seems to be some hope the physical structure of the arm that allows him to throw a 93mph fastball with late life as he did so effectively from 2009 to May 2010 is still intact, heck, if this has been developing for a while, who knows what Hughes is capable of without this.

    I’d hate to lose Hughes for the year, but on the other hand, the idea of a still-young 100% Hughes in the near future is enormously appealing.

    If this can be treated in-year, all the better.

    I choose optimism.

  96. Carlo April 27th, 2011 at 11:21 pm

    Before this news, Hughes was injury prone. This news changes nothing so the semantics of whether this is an injury or not is irrelevant. The kid is and has been injury prone.

    2007 – misses may, june, and july
    2008 – misses may, june, july, august
    2009 – throws 86 innings, largely as a reliever
    2010 – healthy
    2011 – not looking good

    5th year in the majors, will have missed more than 50% of 2 of them and more than likely more than 50% of a 3rd.

  97. tyanksfan36 April 27th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    GB

    I jinxed Lyerly, he committed an error tonight. Just one though and 3 on the season. It was his first error since the 2 he committed on the first day of the season. I think he has something out for Brett Marshall because all 3 of his errors have come when Marshall is pitching.

    also, Preston Claiborne. Not doing so well. Do you think they pull a Soriano and leave him in Tampa to figure himself out for a bit longer or do they send him down to Charleston? I dont even know how they decide those things though

    check out his numbers so far

    http://tampa.yankees.milb.com/.....pid=502011

  98. BD (Boston Dave) April 27th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    GB7,

    it played just fine (within Firefox) – good clip too

  99. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    I don’t know, maybe it’s just the way I’m wired, but this strikes me as potentially encouraging news.

    The fact that its not (at the moment) elbow or shoulder is good.

  100. BD (Boston Dave) April 27th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    GLove and JF,

    I’d rather they properly diagnose this, but I’ll wait until I hear something more definitive before worrying about losing Phil for the season or longer.

    Maybe I’m just being optimistic, but I still think it’s something simpler than a rare condition and that Phil will pitch again this season.

  101. LGY April 27th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    “The fact that its not (at the moment) elbow or shoulder is good.”

    ————

    Yeah. Elbow or shoulder could have meant he was done for this year AND 2012.

  102. GreenBeret7 April 27th, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    Dave, that was the ’63 blast off of the facade.

    There’s about 8 other clips, including the ’53 bomb in Washington.

    http://www.mickeymantle.com/backintime.htm

    just click on the picture and it opens up to a radio. Click on the radio.

  103. West Coast Yankee Fan April 27th, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    Oh man.

    “On Monday, a Yankees employee accidentally sent an e-mail to several hundred season-ticket licensees. The e-mail attached an internal Yankees spreadsheet that listed customers’ names, addresses, phone numbers, fax numbers and e-mail addresses. It also listed seat numbers, Yankees account numbers, account representative names and the ticket package codes associated with accounts.”

  104. stuckey99 April 27th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    From what i’ve read (which is probably just wiki info) it would strike me if this was the diagnosis, and if it was indeed “low-level”, they’d almost certainly start with physical therapy to try to correct it, before moving to evasive surgery.

    I think we’re likely looking at mid-June/July and then they’ll see…

    Just a guess.

  105. GreenBeret7 April 27th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    TY, i listened to the Tampa game. Too bad that Marshall couldn’t get the win. He pitched really well…just one mistake. Lyerly did get his hits again, plus a steal. Yanks won, though in 11 innings.

  106. tyanksfan36 April 27th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    Phil is probably happy at least knowing that his Lightning won game 7 tonight. on to the next one.

  107. Bronx Jeers April 27th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    It looks as if Aaron Cook had the surgery in early September 2004 and was back at the end of July, 2005

    Sounds like there is a non-surgical treatment but who knows if that’s a possibility for someone that wants to be a MLB pitcher.

  108. tyanksfan36 April 27th, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    GB

    yea, his mom was sending me updates from the game. she was listening too of course. she said it was the same ump who was behind the plate for his game last Friday when he gave up 8 runs. She said his ERA was down in the 8′s until that home run in the 6th. He also said that the mound was in awful condition, too wet and the rubber was higher than the mound dirt around it. I was hoping he would get a win too but pitching a good game and getting his ERA out of the double digits is good too.

  109. LGY April 27th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    In hindsight, do you trade Hughes for Halladay?

    Interested in seeing the responses. I’ll start with yes.

  110. BoJo April 27th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    austinmac April 27th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
    Hughes has a physical problem as shown by his decreased velocity. Once they diagnose it, they can begin to fix it.
    _________________
    He is broken, but we can rebuild him. We have the technology to make him better…to make him…the first bionic pitcher.

  111. Against All Odds April 27th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    # LGY April 27th, 2011 at 11:39 pm

    In hindsight, do you trade Hughes for Halladay?

    Interested in seeing the responses. I’ll start with yes.

    ———————————————————

    We would have Hughes and Haren if hindsight was 20/20

  112. Rich in NJ April 27th, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    “In hindsight, do you trade Hughes for Halladay?”

    I’ll wait until we have a full diagnosis and prognosis, but sure today the answer might well be yes, but if something serious happens to Halladay tomorrow, the answer could flip.

  113. GreenBeret7 April 27th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    TY, Marshall will be fine. He’s got a great future. Would really like to see him team up with Bryan Mitchell. Who’s pitching tomorrow? Romanski or Black?

  114. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    If he gets surgery he will probably be out for the year. Since it would be 4+ months then a month of rehab then games.

    Hopefully its the low level version, treatable by physical therapy

  115. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    We would have Hughes and Haren if hindsight was 20/20

    We could have Halladay and Haren! :|

  116. Against All Odds April 27th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    Halladay not Hughes I need sleep

  117. Against All Odds April 27th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    # Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    We would have Hughes and Haren if hindsight was 20/20

    We could have Halladay and Haren! :|

    ——————————————-

    That’s what happens when you go to sleep at 1 am and wake up at 4 am

  118. Triple Short of a Cycle April 27th, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    I don’t think you need hindsight to say yes to that.

  119. tyanksfan36 April 27th, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    GB

    I believe that Sean Black pitches tomorrow. Josh Romanski is on the DL but if he was just there to open a roster spot then I would assume he pitches friday and they just reactivate him in time to play. Then Scott Allen goes on Saturday and Jose Ramirez on Sunday.

  120. Nick in SF April 27th, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    Hughes and who else for Halladay?

  121. Rich in NJ April 27th, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    Montero, and I still wouldn’t to that trade.

  122. Vineyard Yankee April 27th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    BoJo April 27th, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    Another one of your unfunny lame attempts at humor. Dull.

  123. LGY April 27th, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    Hughes and who else for Halladay?

    ————

    Good question.

    Rumors at the time were that the Yankees wouldn’t trade Hughes in any package for Halladay.

    I don’t think you would have had to include Montero if Hughes was in it, but who knows.

  124. LGY April 27th, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    Russell Westbrook is once again trying to single handedly hand a game to the Nuggets.

  125. Nick in SF April 27th, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    I would do it if it was Hughes, Tabata, Ajax, and Vizcaino.

    No to including Cito Calver.

  126. Mike_Boston April 27th, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    GB, very cool Mantle link. I was checking out the historic home run he hit in the Astro Dome opener, which was preceded by his earlier single which was 1st ever hit indoors in MLB history (his manager lead him off to give him the honor, how cool is that?).
    This was before my time so do you know why the Yankees played in the Astro Dome opener. It was obviously well before the days of interleague play, did the Stros start off in the AL?

  127. Tom in N.J. April 27th, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Ledger_Yankees According to a 2008 story in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, most guys who undergo TOS surgery are back in four months.

  128. Carlo April 27th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Hughes for Halladay:

    Yes. Anytime the Yankees can trade a prospect for an Ace, you do it. The money doesn’t matter.

    The counter argument is would you have traded hughes for santana.

  129. Jerkface April 27th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Another one of your unfunny lame attempts at humor. Dull.

    Since we know you don’t find BoJo funny, why not refrain from commenting every time he makes a joke? Another predictable attack. Dull.

  130. GreenBeret7 April 27th, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    MikeBoston, it was a pre-season opener of the Dome and Mantle was living in Texas. I believe that it may have been a 2 game series. I can’t remember.

  131. Vineyard Yankee April 27th, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    Stuff it Abner Jr.

  132. Mike_Boston April 28th, 2011 at 12:01 am

    # GreenBeret7 April 27th, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    MikeBoston, it was a pre-season opener of the Dome and Mantle was living in Texas. I believe that it may have been a 2 game series. I can’t remember.
    —————————————————————
    Ahh thanks GB, the date was April 9th, so I assumed it was regular season and/or they would have mentioned it was an exhibition.

  133. tyanksfan36 April 28th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    GB

    did you see the second half of my comment to you, about Claiborne? What do you make of his early season struggles?

  134. Bronx Jeers April 28th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    Adam was the first surgical trial and he received a naked babe for his troubles. Worked out well for him too until the ungrateful wench stole an apple and he got sentenced to a life time of hard labor.

  135. LGY April 28th, 2011 at 12:03 am

    :arrow:

  136. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    Strictly a ST game…an exhibition game.

  137. GreenBeret7 April 28th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    tyanksfan36 April 28th, 2011 at 12:02 am
    GB

    did you see the second half of my comment to you, about Claiborne? What do you make of his early season struggles?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    No, I didn’t see that part. Have no idea why Claiborne is on the team. He’ll be pretty good, but, not now. He did alright in Charleston, but, he’s stumbling right now.

  138. tyanksfan36 April 28th, 2011 at 12:19 am

    GB

    I am thinking if he doesnt pick it up soon then he might get sent back down to Charleston. This is his first full year in the organization if im not mistaken


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