All jokes aside, Colon’s back
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on Apr 28, 2011 
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The first time Robinson Cano ever faced Bartolo Colon was in the 2005 division series. It was Cano’s first postseason at-bat, and he ripped a three-run double to left. Cano said he’s never brought it up with the least likely member of the Yankees rotation, but it sounds like he wouldn’t hesitate if the time was right.
“He’s a good guy,” Cano said. “He’s the kind of guy you can joke around (with). Even the other day, he told me when he was pitching, like, ‘When I’m pitching you can talk to me and make some jokes because I’m not the kind of guy that (likes to) be so serious.’”
With a guy like Colon, it’s hard for most of the New York media — myself included — to gauge a personality. Although it’s possible to have short conversations with him in English, all of his interviews are done through a translator. Thing is, he seems to be always laughing during those interviews. He was smiling through questions about his weight this spring, and he’s laughed through multiple questions about how shocking it is to see him pitching this well again.
“You can see,” Cano said. “If you watch, he’s always laughing in the dugout, talking to the guys. Always with two outs, you never see him sitting down, he’s always talking to somebody.”
It was obvious from a short conversation with Cano last night that Colon is a likable man. Cano said Colon takes nothing for granted, and when Cano arrives at the park early every day, Colon is already there.
More than a year removed from his last big league appearances, it’s stunning to see Colon pitching so well through this first month of the season. Shocking, that is, to outsiders who didn’t see him this winter.
“I saw him pitching in the Dominican and it was really good,” Cano said. “He came over to spring training, pitched the same way. He’s throwing a lot of strikes… We all know, back in the day the kind of guy he was with the Angels. He was their No. 1 guy, won the Cy Young. That’s life. You’re going to have some ups and downs, and it’s a good thing to see a guy like him battling, and come up and pitch the way he’s pitching right now.”
Here’s Cano, talking a lot about Colon’s personality and what’s been like to see him succeed at this stage of his career.
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Colon has been one of the early season MVP. I am happy to admit that I was wrong about him.
Colon threw a ball to me during BP on Sunday in Baltimore, so he instantly became one of my boys favorite players. Hopefully he can last all season!
A good Colon flushes away the opposition.
I’m shocked he has been this good. He was topping out at 96 last night. I know that raised a few eyebrows.
BA April 28th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Colon threw a ball to me during BP on Sunday in Baltimore, so he instantly became one of my boys favorite players. Hopefully he can last all season!
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that’s really cool
96 in the 8th inning nonetheless.
awesome
I must admit when I saw him rumbling around in CF shagging flies during BP, I became a little nervous he might hurt himself.
His starts are fun to watch because of his velocity and movement. The Yankees need to ride him like he was a hot NHL goalie. Keep rolling him out there and don’t skip his starts!
MTU April 28th, 2011 at 9:10 am
A good Colon flushes away the opposition.
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Hehehehehe..
I knew that video was fake for 2 reasons….1, that gurl would have been interferin with a ball that was playable…and 2, gurls just arent that athletic
OH MTU…
Hit send too fast.
THANKS CHAD! Great story.
Colon looks like he’s having fun out there. He K’d Pierzinsky (sp) and walked off the mound with a big smile.
Hughes comes across in his interviews as a very determined young man. On his glove he has “Phil 4:13″ written on it. This is Phillipians 4:13 which reads” With God on my side I can do most anything”. Regardless of whatever medical condition he faces I believe he will be back better than ever. Good luck Phil!
NYYROC, don’t get me wrong, I really like Hughes and I hope they figure out his issue so he can be a very good SP for the Yankees for years to come. But at this point, if Hughes returns in a week or two, you cannot put Colon back in the long RP role. Not sure if Nova or Garcia can fill the relief role better, but Colon belongs in the rotation.
” On his glove he has “Phil 4:13? written on it. ”
Mariano has that on his glove too.
Ian Kennedy had this from Alfred 1:1 written on his glove, “What ME worry ? ”
Colon has made a believer out of many. Props to Tony Pena for urging Cashman to give him a chance in ST. Throwing in the mid 90′s in the 7th – 8th innings is no fluke. Even if Hughes were to come back next week, Colon is the No. 3 starter.
Colon, Garcia and Martin have been pleasant surprises.
Hopefully we see Phil back soon.
I really still can’t believe how well he’s throwing the ball. Sometimes the best thing for a veteran pitcher is to just take time off and get healthy. Maybe that’s whats going on here….the time off allowed his body and arm to get back to his baseline strength.
Off topic….anybody else think Prince William kinda looks like Teixera?
blake April 28th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Off topic?.anybody else think Prince William kinda looks like Teixera?
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YES! they could be twins.
“Off topic….anybody else think Prince William kinda looks like Teixera?”
No, but Leigh looks like Kate!!!
“YES! they could be twins.”
I hope not. I’m glad he’s a Yankee.
Colon, Garcia and Martin have been pleasant surprises.
Hopefully we see Phil back soon.
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“Surprise #4, Eric Chavez”. – not so much a surprise, but a real asset on this team, who will probably be playing 1B today so tex can recover.
Rich in NJ April 28th, 2011 at 9:56 am
?Off topic….anybody else think Prince William kinda looks like Teixera??
No, but Leigh looks like Kate!!!
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I never thought of that-Leigh does resemble Kate. Mark and Leigh could have been stand-ins at the rehearsal!
Trump demands to see Barolo’s birth certificate !
http://johnsterling.blogspot.c.....olons.html
Mark Texeira is Yankee royalty.
And I hear he can play baseball better than William plays Cricket.
So there’s that.
ac1
yes, Chavez too…maybe cashman knows what he is doing after all
Jeers-
Trump should stick to what he does best.
Oh, that’s right, that’s what he’s doing.
Shooting off his mouth.
Blake, I agree with you on the time off helping Colon-this is really the 1st time he’s been healthy since 2005, he pitched off and on from ’06 to ’09 with the elbow injury.
The most interesting thing I saw last night from him was the use of the 4 seam fastball later in the game, he wasn’t doing that in the spring. Those were the one with the readings from 94-96. I take that as an indication that he’s feeling really good and isn’t worried about getting hurt out there. And, if he isn’t worried, why should us fans?
So if time off does help a veteran pitcher, perhaps Pettitte’s decision to take the year off was part of a well-thought out plan?!?!
Cashman goes to the team Physician and says, “Doc, I have a sick pitching rotation. What should I do to cure it ?”
The Doc thinks a moment and hands Cashman 2 pills. One says Garcia on it. The other Colon.
He says take these 2 pills tonite and everything will be fine from here on out.
MTU,
Let’s just say that I’m all for free speech except in the case when the speaker’s a total moron.
MTU April 28th, 2011 at 10:11 am
And if you don’t Phil better soon, come back for another Pettitte visit.
Jeers-
Only his hairdresser knows for sure.
Ray-
I’m hoping we still wind up with Phil-A-Mignon.
Don’t get me started on Trump, it’s a sports blog.
Bronx Jeers April 28th, 2011 at 10:15 am
MTU,
Let?s just say that I?m all for free speech except in the case when the speaker?s a total moron.
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Don’t get me started on Trump, it’s a sports blog.
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He did own the Generals….
I’m not predicting next week much less next month, but if Colon and Garcia can continue to get hitters out, the Yankees can be very conservative with Hughes.
As i said last night, the notion that perhaps the 92.5-94mph fastball with late life that hitters were swinging through so often from the start of 2009 to May of 2010 is still in his arm minus this thus-far unconfirmed condition, intriques me.
“He did own the Generals…”
Oh, if it’s still 1983, that’s different.
Ride thoses horses until they drop.
Pony express style.
And hope their are fresh ones waiting at the relay station.
Anyone believe we may see Pettitte again later this year?
The Yankees have to be conservative with Hughes irrespective of how Colon and Garcia pitch, and I’ m confident that they will be. There’s too much at stake.
And I made the comment ton the previous thread that it’s possible that this condition, if he has it, has affected him for some time.
MTU April 28th, 2011 at 10:18 am
LOL! Me Too!
And I made the comment ton the previous thread that it’s possible that this condition, if he has it, has affected him for some time.
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I’d believe that.
Sports blog or not – Trump is an absolute embarrassment.
Erin,
Hey maybe that’s the real reason that Tex was pulled last night….he has to get ready to stand in at the rehearsal
MG,
Agree. This Colon really hasn’t been seen sine 2005.
I wish athletes would keep their religious beliefs private. It’s ridiculous that the Yankees won’t tolerate facial hair but allow players to make religious statements on their gloves.
Ray-
We all know that a good Steak is way better than a Hamburger.
Maybe JF could wrap him in bacon for extra energy.
Sports blog or not – Trump is an absolute embarrassment.
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Agreed.
ac1 April 28th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Anyone believe we may see Pettitte again later this year?
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Not to suggest any conspiracy theories, but I believe that Pettitte bowed out to prevent the Yankees being dragged any more so through the Clemens sideshow because of Pettitte’s testimony.
We may just hear about a Pettitte comeback before the 7/31 trade deadline.
“I wish athletes would keep their religious beliefs private. It’s ridiculous that the Yankees won’t tolerate facial hair but allow players to make religious statements on their gloves.”
puh-lease…..if that offends you then you need to get out more often.
Wow, could it be that we all agree on something? Even if it is only Trump?
I’m not embarrassed by Trump, I’m both nauseated and amused, but he’s not alone.
*holds tongue*
He’s able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.
Or is that “build” tall buildings ?
Sorry.
We may just hear about a Pettitte comeback before the 7/31 trade deadline.
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Would be nice….
# ac1 April 28th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Sports blog or not – Trump is an absolute embarrassment.
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Agreed.
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Agreed x1000…I also agree that Pettitte didn’t want to be in the spot light for this trial, it’s really a shame.
ac1 April 28th, 2011 at 10:29 am
I think we could see Pettitte again this year after AS Break. Also, Manny Banuelos could be up before Sept 1 as well in case we need a SP for the playoff run.
blake April 28th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Erin,
Hey maybe that?s the real reason that Tex was pulled last night?.he has to get ready to stand in at the rehearsal
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LOL Brilliant! And if he sits because of his “sore shoulder” tonight, that will be further proof.
Religious statements aside I do think the facial hair ban is one of the lamest things ever
I would not be opposed to seeing Pettitte or ManBan or both.
Seen stranger things happen, ac. It would be sweet, though.
The players can be mustachioed. They just can’t have beards.
“I wish athletes would keep their religious beliefs private. It’s ridiculous that the Yankees won’t tolerate facial hair but allow players to make religious statements on their gloves.”
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Huh?
How does facial hair and religious statements relate and more importantly what is wrong with having a religious statement on their glove or anywhere else?
I dunno about Pettitte coming back.. I think someone reported he was enjoying his retirement just fine.
I believe AP is busy playing Father knows best , and that it’s a role he likes and missed.
He rode off into the Sunset head held high and I think it’s stayin’ that way.
I believe that Cowboy has hung up his spurs for good.
JMO.
Freedome of speech but NO Freedome of religion!!
/WCYF
Tom-
Sounds like something Yogi would say.
“They can’t have any facial hair except for Mustaches.
That’s almost like hair only different.”
Slow morning so I’ll bite…..
If you asked the average person what Phil 4:13 means, they wouldn’t have a clue so consider it an “inside joke” more than a religious statement.
“Freedome of speech but NO Freedome of religion!!
/WCYF”
There’s no greater support of the 1st Amendment than someone who doesn’t understand the 1st Amendment.
Pat-
4:13 is what Phil’s loss/win ratio is gonna be from the ASB on.
I really doubt Andy will make a comeback. Not that I wouldn’t be thrilled if he did, but it’s unlikely IMO.
I have no problem with the facial hair ban. We have to see those gorgeous faces!!
Although I do always get a kick in the off season seeing pictures of them with goatees or beards.
can never really believe any pettitte reports we hear
no facial hair shows class…just like military and police have to do the same thing…dont like it? go cheer for the red sox who couldnt care less about apperance
# upstate kate April 28th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Wow, could it be that we all agree on something? Even if it is only Trump?
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We have the appreciate even the smallest of miracles..
What other teams have a facial hair policy? The only one I can think of are the NJ Devils, who only allow players to grow facial hair during the playoffs.
Will AP sightings become just like UFO sightings ?
Or is it UPO’s in his case ?
Time reopen Project Midnight Bluebook.
Add Mark Prior to those that could be a contributor to this year’s team. They’re proceeding cautiously with him but with good health, he can help later in the season.
I am not a constitutional lawyer; accordingly I am not sure to what extent a major league team is allowed to control what a player says or does. I do think it’s offensive to some but if having a religious sign on your glove is protected free speech, I would off course support the players right to do so. I was under the impression that professional sports clubs and the league could control to some extent what players wore on their uniforms and equipment. Maybe I am wrong.
Doc Iac,
You are comparing apples to oranges. It is the Dumbest thing ever to allow a moustache but not a beard
As far as Trump goes, “It’s not a lie if you truly believe it” & I think he believes “It’s not a lie if you get someone else to truly believe it”! LOL! He is a TV personality more than anything else.
The facial hair rule was a very important one to the Boss himself, so whether people like it or not, it’s here to stay.
I’m an old school guy in some respects, so I like it myself. And this is coming from someone who HATES to shave.
# Doc Iac April 28th, 2011 at 11:00 am
no facial hair shows class…just like military and police have to do the same thing…dont like it? go cheer for the red sox who couldnt care less about apperance
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Couldn’t disagree any more with this. I wear a trimmed beard so I’m less classy than a clean shaven guy? That’s pretty weak IMO.
Mike-
I knew you were the Caveman type.
You and Damon. 2 peas in a pod.
“I do think it’s offensive to some but if having a religious sign on your glove is protected free speech, ”
It is not.
I wear a trimmed beard so I’m less classy than a clean shaven guy?
Yes. Welcome to the business world.
Mike_Boston April 28th, 2011 at 11:11 am
# Doc Iac April 28th, 2011 at 11:00 am
no facial hair shows class…just like military and police have to do the same thing…dont like it? go cheer for the red sox who couldnt care less about apperance
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Couldn?t disagree any more with this. I wear a trimmed beard so I?m less classy than a clean shaven guy? That?s pretty weak IMO.
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you can wear ur face however u want…but if u wanted to be a police officer or military or a NYY youd have to shave, and if u really wanted any of them you wouldnt mind shaving
WCYF,
Do you know who the first amendment prohibitions apply to?
The Yankees have scientifically determined that excess facial hair causes hitters to lose focus, and pitchers to lose command.
Not only that. It affects their speed to first base. Just look at GGBG.
He even shaved his head to reduce drag.
It’s a fact.
# Irreverent Discourse April 28th, 2011 at 11:16 am
I wear a trimmed beard so I’m less classy than a clean shaven guy?
Yes. Welcome to the business world.
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You’re right ID, no CEO’s of fortune 500 companies have facial hair, right…MTU, funny you mentioned Damon because I was having a conversation about him this morning with some co-workers and how he’s still knocking in runs, last I checked he had 17RBI. I also told the story of how he tried to pump up the team a few years ago and the Big Unit told him to shut the bleep up. I know there is no room for him right now but I really do miss Damon, Matsui too.
Hasn’t helped Youkilis though.
Maybe I am missing something, but do other people feel like there is something offensive about a player having a religious statement on his glove?
I could just imagine the outcry if a player who was a Muslim decided to have a verse from the Koran on his glove. There are none in the major leagues right now but it’s possible. Sam Khalifa played for the Pirates n the late 80′s.
George wanted people to be clean shaven for image reasons yet he had no problem with Billy Martin’s off the field antics?
Mike-
Not as much as Erica. Not even close.
I always thought George Michael was one classy dude.
LGY April 28th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Maybe I am missing something, but do other people feel like there is something offensive about a player having a religious statement on his glove?
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It depends on who you are and what your beliefs are or aren’t. Isn’t that the point?
2 of my leaders on my fantasy team are Johnny D and Melky
MTU
I have Garza and Buck too
Gardner may have shaved his head to reduce drag but it also must have taken away his eyesight, that’s why he takes so many pitches right down the middle before striking out.
“It depends on who you are and what your beliefs are or aren’t. Isn’t that the point?”
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What does it matter what my beliefs are?
What’s offensive about someone else potentially having or expressing something different?
West Coast Yankee Fan,
I remember the outcry when some Muslim congressmen took the oath to be sworn in without the bible.
The best players are thoroughly wind-tunnel tested before they ever don the Pinstripes.
Just like cars or airplanes.
That means NO beards.
LGY April 28th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Maybe I am missing something, but do other people feel like there is something offensive about a player having a religious statement on his glove?
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not at all
Just wow.
Bartolo Colon
2 starts
2-0
1.84 ERA
14 2/3 IP
12 H
3 R
3 BB
13 K
Freddy Garcia
2 starts
1-0
0.00 ERA
12 IP
4 H
0 R
3 BB
8 K
I could care less what anyone’s religious beliefs are. The problem I have is when guys like Chad Curtis try to convert other players like he did when he was with us
MG-
An unwanted side effect unfortunately.
no facial hair shows class…
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I could say that it shows mindless conformity but it doesn’t any more than it shows “class”
Mike_Boston April 28th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Damon now has 19 RBIs after last night’s game. He is batting .261
MG-
You totally blew me away with your insight.
LGY April 28th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Maybe I am missing something, but do other people feel like there is something offensive about a player having a religious statement on his glove?
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Nope not me. I don’t even think about it.
Mike_Boston – no CEO’s of fortune 500 companies have facial hair, right…
I’m not saying i agree with it, but it is a reality of the world you live in. Looking professional to the public means clean shaven, haircut (no mohawks), button downs and slacks.
Agree with it or not, it’s part of a dress code that you can not control.
LGY April 28th, 2011 at 11:25 am
What does it matter what my beliefs are? What’s offensive about someone else potentially having or expressing something different?
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It’s not appropriate here to go into detail as to why it is offensive to some. Suffice it to say IMO religion is polarizing – as is politics. Would the Yankees allow a player to have Glenn Beck written on their glove? Or Michael Moore?
I don’t find having a bible verse on your glove to be offensive. To know what that verse says you would have to look it up so is not like you have to actually read the verse itself when he is pitching, just where to find it.
Also, I worked at publix and they didn’t allow facial hair at all. If guys came in with just a little stubble, our manager would send them to the razor aisle and make them buy a razor and shave. I of course never had to worry about this for obvious reasons but I do know it happened all the time. I like that rule, its very uniform. Also like all the players on the Yankee minor league teams have to wear the high socks. I like the uniformity of it.
MTU April 28th, 2011 at 11:29 am
MG-
You totally blew me away with your insight.
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that’s the only logical answer for him not swinging at strikes, it can’t be anything else like not having a clue about what he wants to do at the plate
What’s the harm in a statement like “God is a Yankee fan” being written on the side of a player’s glove ?
I don’t understand.
RayVT, that’s pretty impressive, I think he would be leading the NYY in RBI with 19?
Off topic but do you know anyone up there in VT who is looking for a season pass to Jay Peak next winter? They changed up their policy for season’s pass so the only way to get it at same price as last year is find a new person to sign up for the pass. I’m scrambling to find someone before May 1st, after that it goes up 100.
I think it’s nice to see people here discussing this politely and generically.
I’m not offended by biblical verses on players gloves. I’m open to all religions and don’t judege people by what religion they follow or if they don’t follow any religion. I’m more offended by a clown like Luke Scott spouting off on whether Obama was born in the US or not.
TY-
“I of course never had to worry about this”
You got a surprise waiting for you when you get to your fifties.
Just for the record, because it’s disturbing to no end that not only does the large majority of our population not understand the First Amendment, they commonly misunderstand it, here it is in simple terms.
“The First Amendment keeps the government from making laws that might stop us from saying what we think. People have the right to criticize the government and to share their opinions with others. ”
It’s a check on the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’s powers, solely.
It does not mean by any stretch of the imagination you can say anything, anywhere, anytime.
“Maybe I am missing something, but do other people feel like there is something offensive about a player having a religious statement on his glove?”
no and as I said then if it does then you need to get out more….actually if it does then it must be hard to concentrate daily as you must be constantly offended by everything.
A Muslim pitcher can tattoo the Koran on his forehead and I’m good with it.
Guys wear rosary beads, crucifixes, Star of David, chai and red strings. Those don’t offend me either.
Their belief has no impact on my life so why would it offend me?
Bad Scooter,
Regardless of how you feel about Obama some of the stuff he said was outrageous. Did the O’s ever issue a public statement about it?
West Coast Yankee Fan April 28th, 2011 at 11:35 am
I think it’s nice to see people here discussing this politely and generically.
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Ditto, however, commenting on how someone is “in the zone” is the quickest way to get them out of it.
Let’s hope that’s not the case here!
“Would the Yankees allow a player to have Glenn Beck written on their glove? Or Michael Moore?”
As long as it was in the approved color, yes.
Who was the player that refused to stand for the anthem in protest of something about the US treatment of some island he was from or the war. Was it Delgado? He got tons of crap from people
You got a surprise waiting for you when you get to your fifties.
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I never really pictured you as a bearded lady.
It’s not appropriate here to go into detail as to why it is offensive to some. Suffice it to say IMO religion is polarizing – as is politics. Would the Yankees allow a player to have Glenn Beck written on their glove? Or Michael Moore?
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Politics are so polarizing because other people’s opinion and support substantially affect our lives. People are discussing matters that when put in practice affect us all.
Someone else’s religious beliefs has no affect on my life. Why is it offensive that someone shares a different religious affiliation?
Not offended by religious statements on gloves or helmets or wherever but always amused when players after winning a big game, World Series, Super Bowl give credit to God and say that he made sure they won, helped them score, etc. So God clearly must not have liked the other guys, i.e., the losing team…..
I guess God must have had some money on the outcome.
MTU
Haha, honestly I did have issues with the shaving policy. I could never wear shorts because I was and still am a slacker when it comes to shaving my legs. Thank God for electric razors.
This settles it.
A Yankee pitcher can Tattoo “Kiss my Azz Sux” anywhere on their body they like as far as I’m concerned.
It’s a badge of honor.
Delgado, yes.
WCYF,
It seems to me that players have some flexibility when choosing their equipment. As long as the glove is not “out of spec” as per the regulations, and is not “distracting”, I think the players can do what they want. Many players have custom equipment. Besides, I think it would be a stretch to assume that having “Phil 4:13″ on ones glove is a public display with the intent of prosthelytizing or provoking/offending others. Characterized that way, it would be hard to prescribe the action to Mo or to Hughes, who are both deeply spiritual, but have been incredibly private about their spirituality. Having such a reference on their mitts is probably more aptly described as an affirmation meant to inspire themselves as they go to work. While I have not seen the gloves, I have to assume that the reference is discretely written (given that the abundance of stitching and seamwork on a given baseball mitt precludes large printing, except in the palm–which already has writing on it…). I don’t see how this differs from posting a biblical reference as my screen saver on my desktop computer in my office. It would be discrimination for my employer to request that I change the message, as it is relatively privately displayed and, given that I, myself, am christian, meant to inspire me. Now, if I hung the message on a sign on the outer wall of my office or door in public view, they might have a “beef”… I am not an attorney–just my own take on this.
I’m going to get Leviticus 19:28 tattoo’d on my arm.
Jeers-
Surprise. Surprise. I used to work for the Circus.
TY-
Move to France. You’ll have no issues throughout your life over there.
Jered Weaver may have matured into a true ace, says Corcoran:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ref=sircrc
“It does not mean by any stretch of the imagination you can say anything, anywhere, anytime.”
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Except for Jon Heyman.
Tom in NJ – Ironical.
I’m not particularly religious, but fail to see how anyone could be offended by Phil’s glove.
What’s offensive about it?
It doesn’t say anything condemning another religion.
That’s a power position Colon is in in that picture…nice photo
# Tom in N.J. April 28th, 2011 at 11:45 am
I’m going to get Leviticus 19:28 tattoo’d on my arm.
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Are you trying to p— SOMEONE off? LOL
Tom-
Is it Ok if I make my Exodus from here soon, or should I stick around for a while ?
# West Coast Yankee Fan April 28th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Suffice it to say IMO religion is polarizing – as is politics.
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Yet, you don’t seem to have any issues with bringing up either topic in this forum.
How many times have you been asked not to discuss politics here, but you still continue to do it anyways?
Why don’t you ever practice what you preach, hypocrite?
LGY,
For the record, I don’t have an issue with someone writing something on their glove, but to suggest politics affects your lives but other people’s religion does not is misguided, and I’m generally trying to be non-combative about this.
Economics and religion are the two greatest influences on human civilization, bar none. They shape politics, not the other way around.
Your life IS affected by other people’s religious beliefs, because other people’s religious beliefs influence public policy significantly.
Triple Short of a Cycle April 28th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Bad Scooter,
Regardless of how you feel about Obama some of the stuff he said was outrageous. Did the O’s ever issue a public statement about it?
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Yes, the Orioles released a statement. Check this article out and see how Luke Scott jokes around with his teammate Felix Pie. Just wow.
http://www.csnbaltimore.com/04.....eedID=6772
Surprise. Surprise. I used to work for the Circus.
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Well that I figured. I just thought you were head clown or something.
NYJim -thanks that was a very thoughtful response. I think the difference between your screen saver and this issue is that the glove display is public. You said yourself regarding your screen saver, “as it is relatively privately displayed.”
I have to apologize to all you folks.
I’ve spent too much time in the Sun in my life.
But serious is not the answer.
Even if we’re talkin’ Satellite radios much less life.
A little humor (me) goes a long way.
Please forgive me.
Giuseppe Franco April 28th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Yet, you don’t seem to have any issues with bringing up either topic in this forum. How many times have you been asked not to discuss politics here, but you still continue to do it anyways?
Why don’t you ever practice what you preach, hypocrite?
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Actually, I did not bring it up. I commented on posts by NYYROC and Pat who brought up the religious slogan on the gloves first.
If you don’t support my right to comment on others posts, tough. You can feel free to choose another blog.
I don’t think the point being made is that its offensive, I think the point being made is that if it represents a statement that falls outside of the “acceptable” religions it would be viewed differently (and not specifically by the people on this board but across the country and in general).
http://media.photobucket.com/i.....o1_500.jpg
Jeers-
You got that right.
“Your life IS affected by other people’s religious beliefs, because other people’s religious beliefs influence public policy significantly.”
If Mariano’s glove can infuence health insurance reform and get my bill under $1200 a month, I’d vote for it to be President.
Until then, it’s just a piece of leather with a little embroidery on it and on what that embroidery says doesn’t impact my life.
Bad Scooter,
They always hide their racisim behind humor. Oh I was only joking.
Shame Spencer,
Totally agree
Bad Scooter April 28th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Yes, the Orioles released a statement. Check this article out and see how Luke Scott jokes around with his teammate Felix Pie. Just wow.
http://www.csnbaltimore.com/04…..eedID=6772
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Wow is all I can say too.
Tom-
Luke Scott is a piece of work but pales in comparison to Lance Berkman.
Pat, you miss my first sentence?
btw – for anyone interested, the topic being discussed – religious expression in the workplace, is more relevant to Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, than to the 1st Amendment
Tried to calm things down a bit by with some humor.
Now I’ll try to add some beauty to the mix. A few pics of the Grand Canyon, etc.
Hope that’s OK ?
Humor and beauty.
Not a bad combo, eh ?
https://picasaweb.google.com/cybermrb03/KanabPoint2?authkey=Gv1sRgCN7RzZDnr6vSSg#
Enjoy and have a good day.
Try laughing at yourself more. It’s good for ya’. Takes the sting out.
By the way, that ain’t me in the photo. It’s a good friend.
But it is my Mops.
WCYF,
It’s funny, but I agree for completely different reasons. Completely different.
I don’t like when guys wear jewelry or tats. I like the ban on facial hair, and I would prefer they keep their gloves clean. But my reason is uniformity. When the guys take the field, they are in uniform. When in uniform, they represent The New York Yankees and MLB, and nothing else.
That being said, I would like you to explain how Phil’s glove is “offensive”.
That’s what I don’t get. What is offensive about knowing he is christian?
If he tatooed a Hindu proverb on his forearm, would you be as “offended”?
Is it that you just don’t like christians or religion itself maybe?
RSM – I think religion is a very polarizing and divisive subject. I wouldn’t be in favor of any religious display on a glove, no matter what the religion. I also would not be in favor of anyone writing atheist on their glove. I just think in sports where uniforms are consistent why go there.
MTU-great pics.
who is Luke Scott?
HA
Fair enough
All of the gambles aside from maybe Andruw Jones are paying off. If Cashman wasn’t already loaded, I’d tell him to buy a lottery ticket.
Colon has been absolutely excellent… on a complete parallel universe of what I expected from him. I hope he keeps it up.
Can you read that glove from the upper deck, which is where I am likely to see it from?
Stuckey
I would respond but I fear it would delve too far into politics + religion for this forum.
Though, I was trying to make a more narrow point in the context of the discussion than I believe you interpreted it.
All of the gambles aside from maybe Andruw Jones are paying off. If Cashman wasn’t already loaded, I’d tell him to buy a lottery ticket.
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What’s been wrong with Jones?
I have to day, despite the fact that we’re off topic.. I think this is one of the more respectful conversations thats taken place here.. not sure if thats a good or a bad thing lol
Jones is one of 4 players ever to have 10 gold gloves and 400HR’s. (this was on the scoreboard at the stadium last night)
Cashman sure has made some personnel blunders in the recent past; see Nick Johnson, Javy Vazquez and Randy Winn among others.
But to give credit where credit is due, he sure has hit the proverbial general manager’s jackpot this year. Chavez, Jones, Martin, Garcia and Colon. An absolutely fantastic job.
Early day for me!!
Everybody have a good day and continue to play nice.
enjoy yourself Erin
I think it is a shame when we worry about being so PC that we fail to celebrate the diversity of our country.
I have to day, despite the fact that we’re off topic.. I think this is one of the more respectful conversations thats taken place here.. not sure if thats a good or a bad thing lol
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Baseball is more polarizing than religion.
Who knew?
But to give credit where credit is due, he sure has hit the proverbial general manager’s jackpot this year. Chavez, Jones, Martin, Garcia and Colon. An absolutely fantastic job.
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Well said, WCYF.
The problem with facial hair or glove inscriptions is where do they start or stop.
How are the extremes policed? Its easier to say “NO”.
As far as Trump, aside from his personality and his asking for a signed birth certificate that obviously existed, politically what has he done wrong? He wants accountability to OPEC and China,,,,shame on him…?!
GO Yanks!
Ok maybe not Jones.. I didn’t look at his stats.. I thought he was doing worse than that but he’s not bad either.
Abe Peterham,
He is now asking him to release his college transcripts
# Triple Short of a Cycle April 28th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Abe Peterham,
He is now asking him to release his college transcripts
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I thought you were joking but then I googled it and could nothing but shake my head
The table on the right shows the Yankees’ run values per 100 pitches (as a team) against certain pitches this season. Zero is league average. I also listed their rank against the other American League teams (the NL is different because of pitchers batting and stuff, so let’s leave those teams out). So far this year the Yankees are either the best or second best team in baseball against fastballs, cutters, sliders, and changeups, but they’re dead last against curveballs. It’s not really close either, the Twins are the next worst at -1.51 runs per 100 pitches against the yakker. It’s obvious the Yankees are susceptible against the curve, at least they have been during the first 20 games of the season.
http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....hes-47132/
college transcripts?? ok, that does seem ridiculous..
WCYF……You’re right about Cashman’s winter signings as they look great right now…..Have to give kudos to the scouting department……Pool Service folks have arrived….Must be my lucky day, as there’s 2 bikini top College ladies here….One is a trainee….Simply magnificent….GB, one of the girls looks like Joey Heatherton……
Against All Odds,
The funny thing is that he said he would release his tax returns when Obama released his birth certificate
I’m sure he will release his tax returns anyday now
Colon apparently rules!
Another example that body shape doesn’t matter!
“Move to France. You’ll have no issues throughout your life over there.”
MTU, I usually enjoy your posts, but my wife was furious at this one! She’s French, you see.
I’ve lived 25 years in France and French women are amongst the most feminine in the world. Yes, they do shave their legs.
Curiously enough, however, it was a fashion trend in Germany, probably some 15 – 20 years ago, for women to not shave their legs. I don’t think that’s the case (thank goodness) so much any more.
On another “hairy” subject, I’ve never worn a beard and probably never will. But I don’t see anything wrong with a neatly trimmed beard. A good many of our Civil War generals wore beards as, of course, did Lincoln. It didn’t diminish their courage or patriotism. I agree with the poster above who said that not wearing a beard might be a sign of “class” or a sign of mindless conformity.
My all time favorite non-Yankee team was the 1970s Oakland A’s. Loved the mustaches – especially that of Rollie Fingers!
Anyway, quite an unusual topic today.
Ppl on this board need to remember it’s a YANKEE FORUM, not religion, not news, but YANKEE. Keep it to baseball please!!!
# Triple Short of a Cycle April 28th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Against All Odds,
The funny thing is that he said he would release his tax returns when Obama released his birth certificate
I’m sure he will release his tax returns anyday now
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Oh yea he’ll get on that right away. Trump is going to get a rude awakening.
In actual baseball news – anyone else frustrated that the Yanks don’t have a longer leash with their prospects – Ian Kennedy would be useful right about now, and can’t ignore what Tyler Clippard is doin, and Jose Tabata, etc etc etc Austin Jackson also prolly a better alternative to Brett Gardner. What are other people’s opinions on this??
rsoll82,
relax will ya
It just seems people resort to random topics, there’s so much baseball to discuss and people obviously come here to read about the Yankees, why not talk about it as opposed to all the crap in the world lol just sayin…
# rsoll82 April 28th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
In actual baseball news – anyone else frustrated that the Yanks don’t have a longer leash with their prospects – Ian Kennedy would be useful right about now, and can’t ignore what Tyler Clippard is doin, and Jose Tabata, etc etc etc Austin Jackson also prolly a better alternative to Brett Gardner. What are other people’s opinions on this??
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you would be surprised how much of a topic this has become over the past few weeks/months. And it’s not just Lohud but other blogs/boards as well. Kennedy would have been helpful but he did get us Granderson.
Damn, I thought today was an early getaway game, stupid MLB!
rsoll
I think it is hard when the Yankees, and most certainly their fans, have a “win now” attitude to develop young players. IPK and AJax got us Granderson, so I have no complaints there. IIRC, Tyler Clippard had a bunch of vulture wins, where he gave up and lead, but then got the win, so his stats are a bit misleading.
OTOH, the Yankees have Phil and Joba, Robbie, Cisco, to name a few more recent guys who came up thru the system.
Apparently something WCYF does not believe in. Perhaps the only thing he believes in, is starting arguments. Maybe he’s just an atheist, which is his right, and finds it offensive that those that do believe, express those beliefs.
Article [I.]
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
sorry, should be “gave up the lead”
Thanking the good Lord for their success seems to be confined to American sportsmen and women…and I find it both irritating and inappropriate. As if God gives a stuff about whether the Yankees beat the Red Sox or who wins the Super Bowl. I’m glad to report that this hasn’t spread to football (the real game, not the American version). Quite the opposite, in fact. Man Utd striker Wayne Rooney was recently banned for two games for swearing into a camera lens after scoring a goal. Now that’s much more like it!!!
It will be interesting to see what happens w/ all these wonderful prospects that we are hearing about. Hopefully the start of another core 4 type dynasty.
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My apologies.
Just tell your Wife I’m crazy. That should take care of it.
RE: upstate kate
I agree totally with what you’re sayin – Clippard had good numbers last year, he just seems like he was never given a full shot – and I realize he was not considered a prospect or even close to that, but he’s a quality arm, can do multiple innings and strikes out a lotta guys, wins aside his numbers are real good the past couple years, whereas J Albaladejo (prolly spelled wrong) is in Japan, so that worked out well
But IPK was never given a full shot, he could have contributed big time
Not to mention that J Tabata deal was awfullll. X and Marte were rentals traded for a big time prospect at the time.. and now he’s finally playing up to that hype he once had
Just sayin, the Yanks mentality will need to change
BIG AL April 28th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Apparently something WCYF does not believe in. Perhaps the only thing he believes in, is starting arguments. Maybe he’s just an atheist, which is his right, and finds it offensive that those that do believe, express those beliefs.
Article [I.]
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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If you had read all the posts above including mine, not to mention observing how polite and respectful the dialogue was on everyone’s part, perhaps you wouldn’t have made such a statement. But then again – you have an agenda.
rsoll- Have been dyd inda wul since ’65 and cannot fathom any Yankees fan not being happy with the team as it is presently constituted, starting pitching questions and all.
Just sayin’.
rsoll
yes, I agree the Yankee mentality will have to change, given that teams seem to be locking up their good players early
bruceb April 28th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Thanking the good Lord for their success seems to be confined to American sportsmen and women…and I find it both irritating and inappropriate. As if God gives a stuff about whether the Yankees beat the Red Sox or who wins the Super Bowl. I’m glad to report that this hasn’t spread to football (the real game, not the American version). Quite the opposite, in fact. Man Utd striker Wayne Rooney was recently banned for two games for swearing into a camera lens after scoring a goal. Now that’s much more like it!!!
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I thought Rooney was God!
RE: DYD INDA WUL
This isn’t 1965, just sayin… lol
The question is do they have the patience to go through gowning pains? They may want to change their mentality but can they withstand the nights where a young prospect doesn’t have it.
But the as we’re seeing – you can win and develop at the same time, didn’t 1996 teach them anything?!! you surround the prospects and growing talent with proven talent!! Cashman is too quick to trade em away, i guarantee Montero is traded if there’s another problem in the rotation, guarantee it
AJax is sucking ass just as much Gardner this season.
upstate kate April 28th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
It will be interesting to see what happens w/ all these wonderful prospects that we are hearing about. Hopefully the start of another core 4 type dynasty.
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QFT. Betances and Banuelos pitch Friday/Saturday. And just saw our Charleston kids play in Lakewood over two days, and that is one stacked team of position players. 1-4 were:
Slade Heathcott
Anderson Feliz
Ramon Flores
Gary Sanchez
Such talent! Also Sosa, Segedin, JR… Kahnle out of the pen. Hopefully, they keep improving.
rsoll82 April 28th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
RE: DYD INDA WUL
This isn’t 1965, just sayin… lol
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Fair enough. But I did say as the team is presently constituted.
That said the Yankees had teams that were cellar dwellers from the mid 60s – the mid 70s, and I was happy to see them play day in, day out.
Just can’t see being unhappy with the team NOW with its wealth of talent, exciting play and promise of the postseason.
Sorry, I have a hard time getting excited over IPK’s success while he’s pitching in AAAA.
I think our mentality has already changed. We are one year away from working in another SP. Things will be really interesting once the A boys get to AA. Suddenly people will likely be raving about our position players.
See I don’t agree about National League west being AAAA, it’s still the big leagues and he’s shown he has the ability to strike out 10 guys a game, he outdueled Cliff Lee and the Phillies the other day, he has the talent, P Hughes bounced back from a supar 2008 too
And i’m not sayin i’m UNHAPPY, i love the yankees, it’s just frustrating sometimes to follow the talent and trade it away for rentals and overpriced guys
“Congress shall make no law…”
This is the part people flat out don’t understand.
It ONLY applies to Congress.
should read position *prospects* not players
And I agree people’s mentality about developing has changed bigtime, but I still find it hard to believe the Yankees will give a rookie a chance to succeed
WCYF -
An agenda? No, it’s not about having, or not having an agenda, but rather expressing an opinion, as you had chosen to do.
I do not find it offensive to see a player express a religious thought on his glove, which is not technical a part of his uniform, nor would I find it offensive if the player displayed a Cross or Star of David around his neck while pitching or playing the field, as several now already do.
What I find offensive is someone like you, that would prefer that a player not be allowed to do so, or ask teams to regulate such matters, IMHO.
BIG AL – tough. Find another blog.
And i’m not sayin i’m UNHAPPY, i love the yankees, it’s just frustrating sometimes to follow the talent and trade it away for rentals and overpriced guys
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rsoll- and you have every right to be frustrated about the team having a quick trigger with prospects.
The case for IPK and Ajax was made earlier on better than I could, but i believe we can agree that the result, Granderson is one that we can all be happy with.
And save the situation of having the opportunity for a # 1 SP, we can see how the 3 B’s Montero, Romine are be allowed to develop.
WCYF -
Now, when someone has a different opinion, you tell them to find another blog. I guess that proves my point 100%, you do not encourage freedom of speech.
Not going to happen, I’ve been here before you, and I’ll be here long after you leave to bring your incessant rantings to yet another, of your many blog travels.
“I guess that proves my point 100%, you do not encourage freedom of speech.”
I’m not defending WCYF, I’m defending the Bill of Rights.
Public discussion forums have NOTHING to do with the 1st Amendment.
Al, you appear to have cited something you don’t understand.
Stuckey 99 -
What my discussion with WCYF was about, his not likeing a player having a religious symbol on his glove, and my stating he had the right to do so, and teams do not stop or prevent players from that expression. Nothing to do with this blog’s expression of free speech per se.
I’ve got to go, catch you’all later.
“What my discussion with WCYF was about, his not likeing a player having a religious symbol on his glove, and my stating he had the right to do so, and teams do not stop or prevent players from that expression.”
And my point is, that too is NOT addressed in the 1st Amendment.
What you describe has NOTHING to do with the Bill of Rights.
Protections against reasonable expressions of religious belief in the workplace is a product of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
I’m sorry for being stickler, but understanding the difference is important stuff.
stuckey99 -
OK, I understand your point, and do appreciate your making that clear to me. Have a great day!
stuckey99,
Its like when Miss California complained about her free speech rights over her gay comments. Most people don’t understand the first amendment