Hughes seeing specialist Monday
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 28, 2011 
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Phil Hughes will see the specialist in St. Louis on Monday. Brian Cashman said there’s really no new information, the Yankees just have to wait for a yes or no diagnosis on TOS.
As for Mark Teixeira, he’s day-to-day with his sore right shoulder. Joe Girardi said he could play defense and might be able to hit if necessary, but it sounds like the Yankees won’t use him. Cashman said he’s not worried this will be a longterm problem.
“You could put him out there,” Girardi said, “but it’s sore.”
Monday? I guess time isn’t of the essence.
Have you tried to make an appointment with a doctor recently Rich? Earliest opening for one I made was May 16!
For a non-life threatening situation, getting an appointment with the country’s leading specialist on Monday is pretty good.
The doctor has other patients and appointments, you know, and, like it or not, he can’t just drop everything just because a Yankee comes calling.
Jerkface
I hear you, but this is the New York “Freakin’ ” Yankees. They pretty much seem to get whatever they want.
I don’t think being a Yankee carries all that much weight in St. Louis.
Hard to believe Rose only had 1,300 RBI
With all those hits..how often he leadoff ?
# Niblick April 28th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Tex: career batting as a righty against lefthanded pitchers: OPS .903
career batting as a lefty against righthanded pitchers: OPS .936
Guess what, Abe? He isn’t a better right hitter.
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Hold on there, you either wrote this wrong or read it wrong. The .936 OPS is as a RHB vs a lefty pitcher.
Also, not that this means anything, but Tex has a OPS of .970 as a righty against a righty (I assume a knuckleballer?
“I hear you, but this is the New York “Freakin’ ” Yankees. They pretty much seem to get whatever they want.”
Did someone mention Cliff Lee?
Geez Abe, don’t you know how to surf your way to baseball-reference.com???
He was the leadoff batter for 10,690 of his 15,861 plate appearances, or 67%.
He actually led off an inning in 5,304 plate appearances, or 33% of his total plate appearances.
“Did someone mention Cliff Lee‘s wife?”
My bad.
Guru – ok you’re right. But that’s not much of a difference, either way.
They should have made the appointment under the name “Phil Pujols”, he would have been examined already.
“Why does Jeter need rest?”
“What makes you think Jeter doesn’t need rest?”
Somebody didn’t read their talking points…
LGY, actually, considering this is the only the second time they’ve actually played 5 games in a row, and given unlike last time, there is no scheduled off-day the next day (that’s 10 days from now), and a potential wet field, whose to say this isn’t the the sweet spot?
Again, UNLIKE the prior month, when rainouts combined with scheduled off days kept the days in a row played to a minimum, Girardi now has to anticipate playing 16 games in a row, ten more after today.
And yes, I DO advocate Jeter get a break or breaks during that sort of string, and maybe Girardi’s notebook suggests tonight is as good as any?
“What makes you think Jeter doesn’t need rest? What if Jeter played better with more rest? Why not platoon him a bit? The only thing stopping Jeter from participating in a REAL BASEBALL STRATEGY of making sure players who deserve it get playing time, is that his name is Derek Jeter.”
JF, that’s all good and fine if you want to play the “his-name-is-Derek-Jeter-card, but you’re going to do it alone, it’s too lame an argument to interest me, but you’re overreacting a tad.
Take a deep, breath, count backwards from ten, and reread my posts.
Given this is just the second time he’s played 5 games in a row and given he’s had 6 off-days in April, that’s a pretty liberal amount of rest by pretty much any standard.
You can try to argue more is needed or more would be beneficial, but you’d be shooting in the dark arbitrarily. I at least have historical precedent, not just for Derek Jeter, but most ballplayers, on my side.
As to Nunez, again, reread my posts. ALL I said was you don’t play guys anticipating injury.
Got nothing to do with my personal view of Nunez’s worthy (which I’m optimistic about).
Got to do with there are no houses on fire.
This was an overreaction.
Jeter is almost 37 and plays a position that can cause some physical attrition. It’s not like he hasn’t shown preliminary signs of a decline over the last year or so. Regular rest against RHP might well be beneficial.
“Have you tried to make an appointment with a doctor recently Rich? Earliest opening for one I made was May 16!”
imagine how long it would be if health care were free!
“Why does Jeter need rest?”
It’s not DJ that needs a rest. It’s us who need a rest from watching him hit all those worm burners.
Stuckey,
you sure can write a lot
Jeter will play better if he doesn’t play 155 games….this was the reason that bringing Nunez north made sense.
Jeter’s OBP is almost .500 over the last 5 games he’s played.
“Jeter is almost 37 and plays a position that can cause some physical attrition. It’s not like he hasn’t shown preliminary signs of a decline over the last year or so. Regular rest against RHP might well be beneficial.”
Agreed.
April 1st, 6th, 11th, 12th, 18th, 21st, and 22nd say hi!
Just for grins. What happens if Nuñez is lights out and doesn’t slow down..
blake, it’s pretty much what I do all-day, every-day for a very long time.
Comes pretty quick these days..
Tonight Chavez goes boom and gets Sterlingized.
Remember it’s….
“Eric Chavez? You Look Mahhhvelous”
I can’t wait.
Stuckey,
A you missed LGY’s sarcasm, B Removing ‘his name’ from the discussion, what else is stopping the Yankees from giving Nunez more regular play time? Playing backups doesn’t only have to be about rest. If you look at it from a neutral fame stand point, Jeter is the kind of guy who should not be playing every day. A player like Nunez should be getting chances to start, and if he plays well, to start a few games in a row. Literally the only thing stopping the yankees is that Jeter is Jeter and his contract.
Given all the rain, I think with the the lobbyists for the health of worms had a lot to do with Jeter getting rested today. Actually, against righties Jeter should get a blow once a week if you ask me. Poor Nunez will play mostly against righties, but it gives us a chance to see what he can do. Don’t most of us think the defense at SS should be better? I honestly don;t know how good Nunez is at SS, but regardless of the GG award, Jeter has little range and slow hands (he does have a steady glove though)
Hughes still hasn’t seen Dr. Andrews, seen a palm reader, Dr. Phil, or checked his horoscope.
sorry about the type, should read “I think the lobbyists…”
“Just for grins. What happens if Nuñez is lights out and doesn’t slow down..”
Nothing, there is a certain matter of 3000 hits the Yankees and Jeter collectively want to put in the rearview mirror asap.
Argue the baseball relevance, best-for-the-team stuff all you want, Jeter will get regular PT at least until that day. Whether one likes it or not doesn’t change the indisputable fact.
There are backups who are purely on the team for rest reasons, Gustavo Molina, and there are guys who are there to actually contribute to the team in other facets: Andruw Jones, Chavez, and Nunez.
Its a shame that Molina has more PA than Nunez.
“imagine how long it would be if health care were free!”
Since doctors will never work for nothing, it will never be free, whether you have private or public insurance in place.
A player like nunez is still a minor league player. Stop acting like he’s going to step in and outproduce Jeter.
“April 1st, 6th, 11th, 12th, 18th, 21st, and 22nd say hi!”
Sweet, so whether or not there are numerous off days and/or rain outs, regular rest for Jeter is something that we all agree on.
West Coast Yankee Fan April 28th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Just for grins. What happens if Nuñez is lights out and doesn’t slow down..
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Nunez could go 5 for 5 with 2 home runs and Jeter would start tomorrow.
A player like nunez is still a minor league player
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Only because he has no spot on the yankees major league roster.
A player like nunez is still a minor league player. Stop acting like he’s going to step in and outproduce Jeter.
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Nunez can’t put up a 616 OPS?
573 vs RHP?
Which is why he shouldn’t even be on the team.
LGY – We’re not trying to outproduce Jeter’s slow start. We are trying to outproduce an entire season worth of production. There is zero reason to believe Nunez would be as good as Jeter was last year.
Where’s Edgar Cayce when you need him?
“you missed LGY’s sarcasm”
No, you missed mine.
“what else is stopping the Yankees from giving Nunez more regular play time?”
Other than Jeter is the starter, he hasn’t had to play many games in a row yet and April has provided more than your average off-days even for aging player, and that I suspect Jeter and the Yankees want to get 3000 out of the day as quickly as can be reasonably accomplished?
Nothing, I guess…
“Playing backups doesn’t only have to be about rest. If you look at it from a neutral fame stand point, Jeter is the kind of guy who should not be playing every day.”
Perhaps for sake of clarity, can we start saying “every game”, because he hasn’t been playing every day, which is part of my point.
“A player like Nunez should be getting chances to start, and if he plays well, to start a few games in a row. Literally the only thing stopping the yankees is that Jeter is Jeter and his contract.”
Nunez won’t play 2 games in a row at SS this entire reason unless Jeter is DL’ed for nursing something.
JF, did you honestly expect to see Nunez every 4th GAME and/or to see a healthy Jeter sit 2 games in a row?
I’m fine if you want to entertain an argument purely in the philosophical, but practically it just isn’t going to happen.
I think what you and others needs to get your head around besides the practical considerations like the 3000 hits, is the Yankees may not regard his “decline” in the same way you do.
I suspect the Yankees fully anticipated and perhaps still do for Jeter to perform better and are as fatalistic about this ‘decline” as you are.
LGY – Nunez is a career .687 OPS in the minors… he’s going to do better against major league pitching?
LGY –We’re not trying to outproduce Jeter’s slow start. We are trying to outproduce an entire season worth of production. There is zero reason to believe Nunez would be as good as Jeter was last year.
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Jeter had a 633 OPS vs RHP last year
“Nunez could go 5 for 5 with 2 home runs and Jeter would start tomorrow.”
Not sure if jacksquat likes it, but at least jacksquat GETS it.
Maybe it’s Nunez’s 6% walk rate that will translate to success…
LGY – So what? Nunez has never been better at any point in his MINOR league career. You are comparing that to Jeters worst statistical season… step back from the ledge.
LGY –Nunez is a career .687 OPS in the minors… he’s going to do better against major league pitching?
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Doesn’t make sense to quote his career numbers given his major improvement after dropping switch hitting.
This is the atypical “cut off the nose to spite the face” fallacy.
Yes, Jeter is bad right now.
There is zero reason to believe Nunez would even be this productive. He never hit better than Jeter’s worst season in the minors and he never walks.
LGY – It’s still a sub .800 OPS against MINOR LEAGUE PITCHING. Pretty sure Jeter would best that too.
“Why does Jeter need rest?”
Because he can barely get the ball out of the infield.
There is zero reason to believe Nunez would even be this productive. He never hit better than Jeter’s worst season in the minors and he never walks.
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What are you talking about???
Nunez last 2 years in the minors was better than Jeter 2010
Stuckey,
I’ve already said Nunez will never get more than 150 PA spread out over an entire season this year. Please save your words regarding that. Please differentiate between what fans would like to happen, and what the yankees will do.
I know the Yankees won’t stop playing Derek Jeter. I know they aren’t going to give Nunez playing time. You jumped in with some snarky robot nonsense because I quipped about Nunez getting 1 more PA in this game today than he has had all season.
How about Ben Zobrist today:
4-6 with 8 RBI’s – a home run – 2 runs scored – 2 doubles – a stolen base
# LGY April 28th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
LGY –We’re not trying to outproduce Jeter’s slow start. We are trying to outproduce an entire season worth of production. There is zero reason to believe Nunez would be as good as Jeter was last year.
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Jeter had a 633 OPS vs RHP last year
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from what I see here LGY answered his own post with a post that shows that maybe there is a chance Nunez can get an OPS over .633 against righties? It surely is greater than ZERO% chance if you ask me
I get accused of just arguing for arguing sakes a lot, but I have a very hard time believing anyone here thought or really thinks Nunez’s role with the Yankees is anything but a traditional back-up middle-infielder/pinch runner, and that any ‘surprise’ at his PT is manufactured.
Yankees weren’t and aren’t going to treat Jeter any differently than they have in the immediate past and I suspect you guys know it.
Where is this ‘surprise’ you speak of?
Guru Man – Semantics. 1%? better?
“You jumped in with some snarky robot nonsense because I quipped about Nunez getting 1 more PA in this game today than he has had all season.”
I can’t flip your use of “snarky” and “quipped” with one another pretty easily.
you really want to argue over it?
LGY – Yes, and those numbers do not directly translate to the majors. At all.
There is plenty of literature you can google on how to attempt to translate minor league stats.
I’ll tell you what it says… a guy with a sub .800 OPS in the MINORS and a 6% walk rate will strikeout like crazy and lose almost 100 points in OPS.
Stuckey99, I agree that Jeter will get almost every benefit known; but if Nunez plays really well and if Jeter continues to struggle, I could see teh yanks playing Nunez more against righties (if that is where Jeter has been struggling. Now, what does more mean? I would say that starting him once a week against righties would happen.
This all being said, there are some ifs in there, but if Nunez has a .750 OPS against righties and Jeter continues to struggle, they will rest him more.
you really want to argue over it?
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You basically manufactured an argument out of nothing. Since I’ve never said the Yankees will play Nunez the amount I think he deserves, or not play Jeter the amount I think he deserves. The Yankees will run Jeter into the ground at the top of the order even if he hits .200 all year.
and a .700 OPS against righties will be better than Jeter’s. So now what do we compare…Defense? Speed?
I’m selfish—I want Jeter to get plenty of rest so he sticks around longer and haunts LGY.
Seriously I would have hoped Nunez had a start before today.
If the Dr. in St. Louis gives Hughes a clean bill of health, the Yankees should quickly make Hughes an appointment with Dr. Vinny Boombotz.
I am firmly of the belief that Nunez is playing exactly as much as he deserves.
What is the big deal about giving Jeter a day off? He is older.
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Look for Swisher to get a day off soon. Big slump, lots of strike outs.
Guru – We don’t compare anything, because you are only assuming he would outproduce that OPS. I have no reason to believe that.
and lose almost 100 points in OPS.
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So he will outproduce Jeter?
Awesome!!!
JF, when I keep seeing the same arguments about Nunez’s playing time, all ignoring the 7 days off Jeter has had in April, I tend to think there is some genuine intent there.
If I continue to misinterpret this quip/snark as an earnest position, then that’s on me.
LGY – Still waiting for something other than a BS response…
LGY answered for me ID
I’ll tell you what it says… a guy with a sub .800 OPS in the MINORS and a 6% walk rate will strikeout like crazy and lose almost 100 points in OPS.
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Nunez doesn’t strike out a lot, thats not really how it works. He isn’t going to strike out like crazy because he walks 6% of the time. He is going to walk slightly less and put more balls in play and just have a crappy batting average. MLE says he will strike out 4 times more in the majors.
Well the Hughes situation isn’t an indictment on how The Yanks develop their pitching prospects, same holds true for Ian Kennedy as well…….That’s not going to be good news for one poster here…..
“The Yankees will run Jeter into the ground at the top of the order even if he hits .200 all year.”
Sadly, but to be fair, I think that if both Gardner and Swisher were tearing it up, Jeter might well be moved down.
Guru – Neither of you is convincing me that Nunez’ MiL numbers translate to the majors. LGY is not even trying today, I wonder if he’s feeling OK.
“The Yankees will run Jeter into the ground at the top of the order even if he hits .200 all year.”
Anyone notice where the Sox are batting Crawford these days?
JF, when I keep seeing the same arguments about Nunez’s playing time, all ignoring the 7 days off Jeter has had in April, I tend to think there is some genuine intent there.
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I want Nunez to play more. What don’t you understand? I’m not arguing from the position of the Yankees. I’m arguing as Jerkface, the guy who thinks Nunez should play more than the Yankees will ultimately play him.
“You basically manufactured an argument out of nothing. ”
Nah uh.
I made a joke.
You made it an argument.
2011 OPS agst RHP
Jeter: . 573
Gardner: .473
Swisher: .346
Nunez and Jones should be playing the COFs.
I made a joke.
You made it an argument.
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Talking about the weather ain’t a joke.
Pat M.,
Stop being coy. Come out and say it, lol.
I rebutted your joke with my parody, and then you turned it into an argument
LGY – Still waiting for something other than a BS response…
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LOL. BS? Like you making up things wholecloth like 100 OPS drop and crazy strikeouts?
How about this?
CAIRO projected Nunez to have a .646 OPS this year.
Marcel: .765
Zips: .668
Bill James: .729
Sorry. All better than what Jeter is giving the Yankees.
jerkface – you know as well as I do that minor league players with poor plate discipline get owned by ML starters. 6% walk rate is pretty damn low, and he K’s at twice that.
ID, I am not saying what Nunez’s numbers will translate into, but I am saying that Jeter was a weak all around starter against righties last year and he is doing even worse this year. Nunez has not really impressed me that much, but it is hard to get into any groove and I would like to get him at least a game a week against righties and I think this is smart for the yankees and still respectful to Jeter
“Anyone notice where the Sox are batting Crawford these days?”
One has nothing to do with the other. This is Crawford’s first year with the RS. Not the same situation with Jeter, being a star player for years on the Yankees.
I hope Nunez goes 3 for 4 tonight, with a HR, a 2B, 3 RBIs and a walk.
That way, he’ll feel a lot better about himself while sitting on the bench tomorrow.
LGY – Well that’s great that you think Jeter is going to keep hitting like this all season. I don’t. I certainly would not try to replace him with a player who might barely outproduce him in his worst form.
“I want Nunez to play more. What don’t you understand?”
That you don’t seem to GRASP that some of Nunez’s PT probably got rained out in April.
Given relatively dry weather, he may play every 5th or 6th day in May and beyond.
I don’t understand why someone would run the “quip” like a horse into the ground and then beat it, knowing April was very unusual and it was not the Yankees fault.
“Not the same situation with Jeter, being a star player for years on the Yankees.”
Where did Old Heart and Soul bat last night?
jerkface – you know as well as I do that minor league players with poor plate discipline get owned by ML starters. 6% walk rate is pretty damn low, and he K’s at twice that.
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You’re mistaking getting owned with striking out. He isn’t going to suddenly strike out 25% of the time in the majors because he doesn’t walk alot. He would be in the same vein as the other guys who don’t walk, put the ball in play weakly somewhere.
He only strikes out 12% of the time in the minors. A guy who strikes out 25%+ and doesn’t walk would certainly see his K’s increase in the majors, like Jorge Vazquez.
For Nunez I suspect the impact would be on his BABIP
It’s the 22nd game of the year. At this pace Jeter is going to start- like 155 games. I would have liked to see his workload decreased more than that this year. And I am a Jeter supporter.
“I hope Nunez goes 3 for 4 tonight, with a HR, a 2B, 3 RBIs and a walk.
That way, he’ll feel a lot better about himself while sitting on the bench tomorrow.”
I hope Nunez goes 3 for 4 with a HR, a 2B, and 3 RBIs and a walk every time he plays.
That way, sooner or later, one way or another, the Yankees will get more production from the SS position.
“LGY – Well that’s great that you think Jeter is going to keep hitting like this all season.”
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What evidence is there that he will significantly improve his numbers?
Given relatively dry weather, he may play every 5th or 6th day in May and beyond.
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Maybe in the middle of huge stretches. So great, pencil Nunez in for 5-8 starts the rest of the year.
LGY – The rest of his career? More evidence than there is for Nunez being more successful.
Which is pretty much what I said he’d get. All the time. Forever.
“It’s the 22nd game of the year. At this pace Jeter is going to start- like 155 games. I would have liked to see his workload decreased more than that this year. And I am a Jeter supporter.”
Jerkface, for the record, THIS is why I responded as I did.
Because I can’t distinguish which of you are being sarcastic and which of you really don’t understand what happened in April.
LGY – The rest of his career? More evidence than there is for Nunez being more successful.
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Right 37 year olds always bounce back, 23 year olds never improve.
LGY – I’m not going to stand here and tell you Jeter doesn’t suck right now, he does. Replacing him with a marginally better player (at best) is completely pointless.
ID, take a look at Cano’s minor league numbers. 6.5% walk ratio and only a .756 OPS. You can’t throw out blanket statements. What is more important is watching how Nunez does at the major league level. he does not look overmatched, but he has not done well either in his 52 AB’s. His OPS is .655 so far…still better against righties than Jeter. His bat speed is good and his plate coverage is good, but he is a free swinger and his swing has a slight hitch in it that will be exploited unless he adjusts.
Again, is it unreasonable to think Nunez can be better against righties than jeter? It surely is not absurd.
I have more confidence in Nunez to hit a HR this year than Jeter
Because I can’t distinguish which of you are being sarcastic and which of you really don’t understand what happened in April.
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He is going to start 155 games regardless of rainouts in April.
jerkface – Jeter has shown improvement… where is the long line of sub .800 OPS minor leaguers busting down the door to the majors?
I can throw your silly statement right back in your face.
Right, 37 year olds always completely lose their skills at the plate and 23 year olds always outproduce their minor league stats.
“LGY – I’m not going to stand here and tell you Jeter doesn’t suck right now, he does. Replacing him with a marginally better player (at best) is completely pointless”
So there’s a < 0 chance that Nunez could develop with more PT at the ML level?
I don't think so.
Stuckey, you realize games are being played despite rainouts right? And the more games Jeter plays means less games Nunez is going to play later on in the season, because as you pointed out he probably isn’t going to start back to back games or anything of the sort.
So the rainouts have basically taken Nunez’s likely playtime from 150 PA to 120-130. Since he will just play the same amount he would have played, but without the playtime rainouts apparently took from him.
“Anyone notice where the Sox are batting Crawford these days?”
Have they moved him down to 10th yet?
Jeter has shown improvement
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Yea, he managed to somehow increase his GB%, while lowering his LD%, and increasing in infield fly%!
Girardi will only use Nunez to rest Jeter. It’s not like Nunez and Jeter are equals and fighting each other for playing time.
Rich – sure he could, but not with the playing time he’s going to get here.
Given the amount of crap doled out on this blog at long time Yankees greats such as Derek Jeter and near greats like Jorge Posada I can only imagine what a LoHud blog would have looked like in the following years:
1933: ‘Ruth has been in decline since he called the home run in 1932, it’s time to play someone else in right field’
1949: ‘DiMaggio can’t run anymore and isn’t strong enough to hit it out in left field, get that 18 year old named Mantle up here’
1961: ‘what is Yogi doing playing left field, he can’t cover the ground out there?’
1966: ‘the Mick is so over the hill, put Roger Repoz in the outfield, his OPS was .889 at Columbus’
and etc, etc, etc ad infinitum…
“Jeter has shown improvement
Yea, he managed to somehow increase his GB%, while lowering his LD%, and increasing in infield fly%!”
I think this is where someone says you have to watch Jeter every day to truly appreciate his hitting.
Jeter’s OBP is nearly. 500 over the last 5 games.
Maybe Nunez will get more starts during the crush of games to make up for the rainouts?
I’m annoyed that I even have to think about this sideshow topic while there are only 4 days to speculate about Phil’s appointment in St. Louis.
ID,
Jeter had a .633 OPS against RHP in 501 PA last season.
He has a .573 OPS vs RHP in 67 PA this season.
I am not saying to replace Jeter with Nunez straight up right now. But to say there is no way Nunez can’t outproduce Jeter at this stage of his career is pretty out there given Jetes can’t hit righties anymore.
They should try to platoon Jeter a bit and give Nunez more PT.
“Rich – sure he could, but not with the playing time he’s going to get here.”
But given Jeter’s continuing struggles, why not give him more PT?
1933: ‘Ruth has been in decline since he called the home run in 1932, it’s time to play someone else in right field’
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In 1933 Babe Ruth OPS’d over 1. In 1949, Joe D OPS’d over 1. In 1961 Yogi actually wasn’t great and pretty much that was the end of his career as a regular. Though he was better than average so who would complain about that? In 1966 Mantle OPS’d 970
Please pick less stupid examples while trying to make a stupid point
“Given the amount of crap doled out on this blog at long time Yankees greats such as Derek Jeter and near greats like Jorge Posada I can only imagine what a LoHud blog would have looked like in the following years:”
Compared to Posada, Jeter is treated like topless hot chick at the beach.
“Given the amount of crap doled out on this blog at long time Yankees greats such as Derek Jeter and near greats like Jorge Posada I can only imagine what a LoHud blog would have looked like in the following years:
1933: ‘Ruth has been in decline since he called the home run in 1932, it’s time to play someone else in right field’
1949: ‘DiMaggio can’t run anymore and isn’t strong enough to hit it out in left field, get that 18 year old named Mantle up here’
1961: ‘what is Yogi doing playing left field, he can’t cover the ground out there?’
1966: ‘the Mick is so over the hill, put Roger Repoz in the outfield, his OPS was .889 at Columbus”
MG
Great post.
Jeter’s OBP is nearly. 500 over the last 5 games.
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Deceptive. Punchless OBP propped up by infield hits and grounders. As a normal hitter, these kind of stretches are great for keeping average and stuff where they are. As a hitter with no tools right now this is as good as its going to get for Jeter, and when his grounders stop dying inbetween 3rd and home he’s going to end up like last year. Struggling to keep his average above .250.
So Arod is not alone in the 20 million dollar + player batting 8th club. We all saw how that endeared Arod and Torre.
Waiting for Gammons to report an unknown said this about Crawford, “in all my life I have never seen a better 8th place hitter in the game of baseball with these kind of tools.”
Those examples make it seem like Jeter and Posada are still playing at the top of their game.
Stuckey
What if the Yankees find themselves in a real fight? How much is Jeter going to rest then?
If Joe can’t find playing time for Nunez to start the year, rainouts or not, I have my doubts he’s going to find time to play him when things are tight.
Jeter has swung the bat better Id say the last 10 games or so…..he had two of the harder hit balls off Floyd the other night and is getting on base. Hard hit ground balls are good and he’s making better contact and he’s not striking out.
“Given the amount of crap doled out on this blog at long time Yankees greats such as Derek Jeter and near greats like Jorge Posada I can only imagine what a LoHud blog would have looked like in the following years:”
I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me why fans are supposed to remain silent about Jeter and Posada’s subpar play this year. These guys aren’t Gods. If they suck, I’m going to say it. That doesn’t mean that I’m not their fans. It doesn’t mean that I don’t appreciate the 5 championships that they helped bring to the fan base. But I’m not going to lie and act like they are delivering the goods this year because so far, they’re not.
“MG
Great post.”
“Those examples make it seem like Jeter and Posada are still playing at the top of their game.”
So maybe less than great is a more accurate description.
rich in NJ – I can think of roughly 18 million reasons…
If nunez was a great prospect I would be more for this. Watching him struggle with major league pitching just like Jeter does not interest me at all.
“He is going to start 155 games regardless of rainouts in April.”
JF, let’s be sure I understand you right before going any further, you think Jeter is going to start 134 of the Yankees remaining 140 games after this evening?
“So the rainouts have basically taken Nunez’s likely playtime from 150 PA to 120-130. Since he will just play the same amount he would have played, but without the playtime rainouts apparently took from him.”
Rainouts won’t take playing time from him, they’ll just defer it, since those games will be made up later, either creating double-headers or eliminating off-days, which could turn long consecutive strings of games into REALLY long consecutive strings of games.
And for the record, when I mentioned 150 ABs, I assumed someone will get banged up or even DL’ed this year.
Jerkface, if you had seen any of these players in those seasons instead of selectively looking at their stats you would understand the references. Instead you pull out one arbitrary number and decide you know everything. You know so little about baseball it’s pathetic.
“Jeter has swung the bat better Id say the last 10 games or so…..he had two of the harder hit balls off Floyd the other night and is getting on base. Hard hit ground balls are good and he’s making better contact and he’s not striking out.”
What I want to see from Jeter are some line drives to right field. When he starts hitting those I’ll feel better.
“I can think of roughly 18 million reasons…”
Then we agree, ID, and that’s even with the big, bad Yankees risking hurting Jeter’s feelings by offering to overpay him.
So it really not matter if Nunez was better prospect because he probably still wouldn’t play much.
He has been hitting line drives to right field. They have been caught by right fielders.
Jeter has done better of late, but 4 swinging bunts and a bloop are part of that. One has to see how he is still off balance and getting nothing behind the swing. On my blog, I predicted Jeter to do better this year than last and most of it was I was sure that they were going to quiet his pre swing down just like they did for ARod, Swisher and Granderson. Why Long went after his stride I don;t know because most of the reason he is off balance is not because of his stride, it is because his bat speed is slower and when he is “Julio Franco’ing” his bat, he can’t get it in the right spot on time. Calm his bat and Jeter will do better as he still can line up the ball
Wave,
He has hit some….a lot of them have been caught.
“He has been hitting line drives to right field. They have been caught by right fielders.”
When?
“If Joe can’t find playing time for Nunez to start the year, rainouts or not, I have my doubts he’s going to find time to play him when things are tight.”
I’m genuinely perplexed as to how the concept of “rest” someone has been removed from this argument.
Back-ups mainly play to give starters REST.
This was not required in April.
April was an outlier.
It’s unusual quality in terms of providing starters rest in the form of off-days as opposed to a game on the bench has to be recognized.
You seem to be not only ignoring that factor, but inferring the exact opposite conclusion from it.
I’m out.
LGY (the team)
Tell Nunez that 5-5 with two HRs will help his playing time. I can’t wait to see his newfound hitting prowess at work. Folks, I do recall Nunez not hitting well in the second half of then spring against the MLB pitchers. He looks to me to be a .250-.270 hitter type. Pretty good, but not good enough to move out Jeter. I believe that is the reality.
JF, let’s be sure I understand you right before going any further, you think Jeter is going to start 134 of the Yankees remaining 140 games after this evening?
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Pretty much. He played in 157 games last year.
“I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me why fans are supposed to remain silent about Jeter and Posada’s subpar play this year. These guys aren’t Gods. If they suck, I’m going to say it. That doesn’t mean that I’m not their fans. It doesn’t mean that I don’t appreciate the 5 championships that they helped bring to the fan base. But I’m not going to lie and act like they are delivering the goods this year because so far, they’re not.”
How come you have had nothing to say about Swisher? He has been sucking also.
G. Maker,
I don’t disagree with that….he does have a lot of pre-pitch movement.
Back-ups mainly play to give starters REST.
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This makes sense when the starters are good. When they aren’t the backups move into more prominent roles.
you guys throw around stats like OPS like they are the bible of baseball. It’s a stat that rewards home run hitters and doesn’t reflect well on singles hitters like Jeter and Hall of Famers like Tony Oliva, who was one of the great hitters of his era-his career highest OPS was .916 and his career average was .813.
I really give up, enjoy yourselves.
# Pat M. April 28th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Well the Hughes situation isn’t an indictment on how The Yanks develop their pitching prospects, same holds true for Ian Kennedy as well…….That’s not going to be good news for one poster here…..
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Ex-poster.
“I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me why fans are supposed to remain silent about Jeter and Posada’s subpar play this year. These guys aren’t Gods. If they suck, I’m going to say it. That doesn’t mean that I’m not their fans. It doesn’t mean that I don’t appreciate the 5 championships that they helped bring to the fan base. But I’m not going to lie and act like they are delivering the goods this year because so far, they’re not.”
Here’s what I genuinely don’t get….
What’s to say?
Are you finding resistance to the argument Posada is hitting under .200?
if you had seen any of these players in those seasons instead of selectively looking at their stats you would understand the references.
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Sorry I wasn’t around to watch 3 of arguably the best baseball players ever contribute handily to their teams with far above league average play.
jerkface – So why no argument for putting Nunez in for Swisher, since he’s technically worse than jeter at the moment? Swisher is batting .083 against RHP.
Looks like Joe read my post and is batting Martin 6th tonight.
Sorry I wasn’t around to watch 3 of arguably the best baseball players ever contribute handily to their teams with far above league average play
Oh, like Jeter has his whole career?
you guys throw around stats like OPS like they are the bible of baseball. It’s a stat that rewards home run hitters and doesn’t reflect well on singles hitters like Jeter and Hall of Famers like Tony Oliva, who was one of the great hitters of his era-his career highest OPS was .916 and his career average was .813.
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OPS actually double weights singles. Since singles are included in OBP and SLG, while XBH are not.
Oh, like Jeter has his whole career?
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Are you saying that Jeter is contributing handily to thet eam right now with far above league average play?
Nunez played LF for the first time ever in the majors a few days ago. I wouldn’t start him in the OF.
jerkface – careful, they are just trying to sucker you into using wOBA so they can disregard it’s validity
jerkface – Those players MG brought up were not contributing at the time either, but you completely disregarded his post. Actually you acted insulted you even had to read it.
jerkface – Those players MG brought up were not contributing at the time either, but you completely disregarded his post. Actually you acted insulted you even had to read it.
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UH what? Explain to me how Ruth, Joe D, and Mantle opsing .970+ were not contributing? Or Yogi putting up a 115 OPS+
Jerkface, You know so little about baseball it’s pathetic.
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jerky knows spreadsheets….doesn’t know it rains in April
.301 .442 .582 1.023 with 114 walks, 30+ bombs, 100 RBIS BABE RUTH AS A 38 YEAR OLD
.346 .459 .596 1.055 Joe D in 1949
.288 .389 .538 .927 Mantle in 1966
These are great players. Joe D and Mantle didn’t play a full season, but who would hold that against them? I wish Jeter didn’t play a whole season.
Also I find it funny, that in rebutting my argument, I guess MG believes they weren’t contributing? Or else he is agreeing with me? Or he is just unprepared for someone who he thinks he is blasting to agree that those players were playing well?
I’d kill for Jeter to put up a .900 OPS, well I’d take .800
.262 .330 .286 .616
.301 .442 .582 1.023
.346 .459 .596 1.055
.288 .389 .538 .927
One of these things is not like the others, one of these things is not the same.
Everytime MG or GB bring up a “declining” old time player when talking about current older Yankees, their stats are ALWAYS really good.
Considering that they believe when looking back that these players did not play well or were in decline, you could make the argument that some of the older guys on here are way tougher on Yankee legends than people today on lohud.
Additionally, their harsh criticism of these players is not even justified considering how much they were contributing. While today the criticism of Jeter of Posada’s play is actually a true reflection of how they are performing.
“This makes sense when the starters are good. When they aren’t the backups move into more prominent roles.”
JF, are you responding to my point about why the Yankees are handling the situation like they are by arguing why you want the Yankees to do, or what you think the Yankees will do? Because it’s hard for me to know which every time.
If the former, I have no rebuttal. If the latter, again, my answer is the NY yankees might not regard Jeter’s prospects for production as direly as you do and in fact, I’m pretty certain they don’t.
I am saying that is what the yankees should do, Stuckey. They should act like most other baseball teams and limit play time for bad players where they have options.
OPS is a very accurate stat. there are other advanced stats that many of you know also, but there are flaws in some of them. At the end of the day OPS tells a lot and is a great stat that should be easy to understand and most important stops people from talking about batting average which can be very misleading. Posada has been better than Swisher and Jeter with a whopping .648 OPS. But that is really what he has done and the awful .138 batting average doesn’t tell you the story
“Ex-poster.”
Betsy’s gone?
What thread did that occur in?
jerkface – So why no argument for putting Nunez in for Swisher, since he’s technically worse than jeter at the moment? Swisher is batting .083 against RHP.
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All signs point to Swisher bouncing back if you just ride out this slump.
He is young and in his prime, coming off a season in which he was an All Star, and his batted ball data is fine.
Who knows if the Rays will come up with enough offense to get to the postseason but I would take their 1-4 starting pitching over anybody else’s in the Al East.
The Yankees have gotten lucky so far with their patchwork starting pitching but will that luck hold out for the season?
I can only imagine the moans and groans if they break down or become ineffective. Fans here would be laughing derisively at any other team that had to patch together such a staff and expect to contend.
I would like to think that a professional like Jeter would retire after 3000 hits or the end of the season if he can’t cut the mustard anymore.
It’s a long season but with a favorable schedule to begin with, this may be the best showing the Yankees make all year.
Why?
Girardi will be reluctant to move Jeter too far down in the order and if Riveria becomes just a so-so closer; he will be even more reluctant to replace him with anyone else.
Lots of questions about this years edition of the Yankees that IMHO they won’t be able to address at the trading deadline or from the minors as easily as in the past.
Pitching is always the key and their starting pitching doesn’t impress me that they will be up to a 162 game grind.
The truth will come in the games they play against teams that have quality pitching.
Also the whole we don’t have enough backup outfielders to spell 2/3rds of our outfield consistently.
Girardi will be reluctant to move Jeter too far down in the order and if Riveria becomes just a so-so closer; he will be even more reluctant to replace him with anyone else.
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While I doubt Mariano will ever be so-so, even if he did become so-so, it would be fine if he stayed in the closers role. It would allow the better pitchers to pitch the high leverage innings.
Did you know that Mariano has faced 6-7-8-9 hitters more times in his career than 2-3-4-5?
“He has been hitting line drives to right field. They have been caught by right fielders.”
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He has hit 8 line drives all season.
Can’t Jeter be both an all time great Yankee and a player whose production is declining with age?
Fair enough Jerkface. One of the reason I enjoy interaction like this is because the possibility exists that someone will happen as a result of the discussion. Someone (including me) will learn something … someone will consider something they hadn’t before.
Change, growth, evolution, understanding where there wasn’t before, is possible, if not usual.
Continually arguing for something you know isn’t going to happen just strikes me as odd and I guess I’ll always have a blindspot for it.
just_another_handle, 2009 and 2010 both called, they want their generic posts back.
Jerkface April 28th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Girardi will be reluctant to move Jeter too far down in the order and if Riveria becomes just a so-so closer; he will be even more reluctant to replace him with anyone else.
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While I doubt Mariano will ever be so-so, even if he did become so-so, it would be fine if he stayed in the closers role. It would allow the better pitchers to pitch the high leverage innings.
Did you know that Mariano has faced 6-7-8-9 hitters more times in his career than 2-3-4-5?
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Every player becomes so-so at some point.
Interesting stat you post about the hitters he has faced most often. It has always appeared to me that it didn’t matter who he faced, it never seemed to matter, the results were usually in his favor.
Who was it that showed that the Yankees are last in hitting the CB? Gee, swinging from the heels is contraindicated.
Stats are great when they agree with “I saw it good”.