Cervelli on the bench, Teixeira in the lineup
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Apr 29, 2011 
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Francisco Cervelli has arrived.
Derek Jeter SS
Nick Swisher RF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Andruw Jones DH
Curtis Granderson CF
Russell Martin C
Brett Gardner LF
YAY a new thread, and YAY GGBG and Grandy are both playing tonight, Tex too!
Stuckey gets props, Cervelli activated in april.
Yay….Cervelli’s back
JackCurryYES Cervelli said it was amazing to be back. Watching Yankee gms that he couldn’t play in was more painful than rehabbing, he said
Yay…just because.
At least if Cervelli’s sitting on the bench, he can’t throw baseballs into center field. He’d be better off just holding the baseball and let them take 2nd instead of giving them the extra base.
I really would like to see Granderson leadoff v. RHP until and unless Jeter or Gardner hit again.
Was Posada let go?
Po v. Romero (15 AB)
.200 .200 .267 .467
“Stuckey gets props, Cervelli activated in april.”
And yet next time Girardi or Cash say something vague, the worst case scenario will be assumed.
Actual history seems utterly unrelated to many people’s perceptions of it.
eboland11 Cervelli: “everything’s going well…I’m ready to play.”
I wonder if Montero had any parting words for Cervelli.
Jerface, no, I speak of fans like you too.
Given your enthusiasm for cutting ties with Jeter, just can’t imagine you value much more than anything other than the relief that comes on a night they don’t lose.
IMO.
“so merely invoking AVG or W-L records doesn’t indicate that one is a stat person. It actually reflects an ignorance of statistical analysis.:
Rich, not being able to recognize W-L records as more than a product of stats is the blindspot of which I speak.
“I wonder if Montero had any parting words for Cervelli.”
don’t get too comfortable?
“Rich, not being able to recognize W-L records as more than a product of stats is the blindspot of which I speak.”
Oh, they can be more than or less than. In any case, they are often very deceptive.
I wonder if Montero had any parting words for Cervelli.
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“Don’t unpack.”
I wonder if Montero had any parting words for Cervelli.
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“keep it warm for me”
Given your enthusiasm for cutting ties with Jeter, just can’t imagine you value much more than anything other than the relief that comes on a night they don’t lose.
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No. Sorry.
except montero will never be just a BUC here
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Given my enthusiasm for every other player on the yankees, I can’t imagine anything other than my feeling of euphoric joy as each yankee win marches them inexorably towards the playoff berth and division win that I predicted.
You have a real blindspot where Jeter is concerned, Stuckey.
“Is the “true” fan more of an optimist or a pessimist? I’ve always believed the latter.”
I’d be interested in an explanation of that, but frankly I could give a f**k about fandom. A fan class system in the context of who is “true” holds no interest to me.
I just see how some people react to ABs, innings, games and series and I wonder what they hell these people actually ENJOY about baseball.
The relief of the win is the only answer that makes sense to me.
eboland11 Ozzie Guillen gets 2 game suspension for his ejection and tweeting afterward
I just see how some people react to ABs, innings, games and series and I wonder what they hell these people actually ENJOY about baseball.
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I know right, like all the people who focus more on the negative aspect of the Yankees hitting home runs than the positive… oh wait
“You have a real blindspot where Jeter is concerned, Stuckey.”
Nah, I understand his OPS as well as the next guy.
Difference is I think the Yankees have, are and can with win him, and not only do I think he can be better, I’d really like him to be better.
I’d like to see the Yankees succeed with a productive Jeter.
“No. Sorry.”
Convincing.
“I know right, like all the people who focus more on the negative aspect of the Yankees hitting home runs than the positive… oh wait”
I trust you don’t utterly misremember me as being one of them?
Difference is I think the Yankees have, are and can with win him, and not only do I think he can be better, I’d really like him to be better.
I’d like to see the Yankees succeed with a productive Jeter.
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Duh they’re going to win with him. I’d like him to be better to. Given his contract they don’t have much choice other than to succeed with him, so it might as well be a good Jeter. Now ask me how likely it is that Jeter returns to even close to the norm, but would I want that to happen? Of course.
The blind spot was in reference to you pegging me as some kind of pessimist based on what I argue about Jeter, ignoring the vast swathes of arguments against.
I trust you don’t utterly misremember me as being one of them?
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No, I trust you did not do the same, its just another example of Jerkface-doesn’t-focus-on-the-negatives. I get on Jeter because he is one of my least favorite players and because a lot of people like to turn a blind eye to his faults while simultaneously denigrating MY favorite players (a-rod,posada,gardner,hughes,etc). Doesn’t have anything to do with how I feel about a yankee win or loss.
I still remember Cervelli’s double down the line from like the first televised game in Feb.
Ya think it’ll carry over?
I still remember Cervelli’s double down the line from like the first televised game in Feb.
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Cervo was hitting well this spring before his unfortunate injury.
YAY – So glad Cervelli’s back! Thanks Chad.
And thanks Erin for the Cervelli quotes!
GB – oh, c’mon, give Cisco a break. He’s still young…..You remember young, don’t you…….
What the hell does salaries have to do with anything? It’s not costing you anything, and they ain’t rolling back the prices of games. If Jeter, River, Posada or anybody else fails to do what they need to do, the yanks have already shown that they’ll bring in other high cost players to play.
“The blind spot was in reference to you pegging me as some kind of pessimist based on what I argue about Jeter, ignoring the vast swathes of arguments against.’
Perception is reality. Perhaps because the sheer volume of the Jeter stuff and the posts even LGY classifies as trolling, I’m under the wrong impression.
Possible.
But you do seem to recognize the type of fan I’m describing.
But speaking of perception, you seem to have misperceived me as not recognizing Jeter’s production for what it is. Maybe in similar vein people who you think turn a blind eye to Jeter are just more accepting of the reality of his place on the Yankees and don’t share your enjoyment of shouting at the rain?
“I just see how some people react to ABs, innings, games and series and I wonder what they hell these people actually ENJOY about baseball. ”
Actually, I enjoyed PLAYING baseball. WATCHING it is a pale shadow of the real thing, but better than nothing. And, if you are going to watch it, you (i) need to be a fan of some team and (ii) have a way of organizing and making sense of what you watch.
Sabremetric analysis is unquestionably a superior way of organizing and making sense of baseball from a cause and effect standpoint. If you aren’t that interested in cause and effect but are more interested in the aesthetics, then looking at baseball from a narrative perspective certainly works, as long as you are not overly concerned with the “rightness” of the narrative.
What the hell does salaries have to do with anything? It’s not costing you anything, and they ain’t rolling back the prices of games. If Jeter, River, Posada or anybody else fails to do what they need to do, the yanks have already shown that they’ll bring in other high cost players to play.
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I’ve made this argument a million times, GB7, try to remember. Until the Yankees show a willingness to exceed 215ish million in payroll, then the money they pay the players matter. They obviously were not willing to pay Cliff Lee whatever it took, they weren’t willing to pay both Randy Johnson and Carlos Beltran, the evidence is staggering in the column that the Yankees, while certainly not stingy, have their limits. This means that paying a player 15 million to provide sub-par everything is not optimal.
Money is not no object, thus discussion can occur where the salary component comes into play. Players with bigger contracts get longer leashes, and longer contracts with bigger salaries hampers roster flexibility.
Niki-you’re welcome!
oe, Iremember young and I remember jake Gibbs. I enjoyed being young…I didn’t enjoy Jake Gibbs.
Hope all is going well with you. I’d hate to have to be the one looking in nasty ears and all that stuff you docs have gotta touch. That’s as bad as changing a baby’s diaper. Give ‘em a $50 aspirin and send ‘em home so you can post more often.
Maybe in similar vein people who you think turn a blind eye to Jeter are just more accepting of the reality of his place on the Yankees and don’t share your enjoyment of shouting at the rain?
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Shouting at the rain is fun. But I am more speaking about the subset of fans who sperg out about any criticism towards Jeter. It didn’t start as a deluge after all, but someone makes a little comment about Jeter and everyone flips out (see: Jeter’s contract discussion this winter).
***Joe, I remember young***
I kind of want to shout at the rain. Sounds cool.
“(see: Jeter’s contract discussion this winter).”
I didn’t.
I once shot fireworks into the eye of a hurricane, pointless? Yes. Fun? Yes.
Erin, shout at Jerk. Same thing. Both do nothing and piss on everything and are all wet.
I didn’t.
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That’s why I told you to see it. A whole group of people were arguing that the yankees should overpay on years and dollars Jeter to reward him for his good service to the yankees. In their eyes even acknowledging in a non-abrasive way that Jeter is no longer the Jeter of old was heresy.
Jeter’s Yankee God Hood status has rendered normal discussion of him impossible. Thus extremes were taken.
Same thing. Both do nothing and piss on everything and are all wet.
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Rain makes the crops grow, dumby.
JF in a few years?
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WYH
A very well-reasoned analysis.
“then looking at baseball from a narrative perspective certainly works, as long as you are not overly concerned with the “rightness” of the narrative”
Where are your numbers to back this up?
Think of me like brain rain, GB7, I’m making smart knowledge grow in your head with my excellent and interesting discussions. Lord knows you could use some brain rain.
Rich in NJ April 29th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
I wonder if Montero had any parting words for Cervelli.
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“Avoid the clap?”
Hi GB.
“Money is not no object”
JF, you’d think this truth was self-evident, but you will never convince a certain segment of Yankee fandom of it.
As close as you get to brain rain is that you have fertilizer for brains.
“Where are your numbers to back this up?”
LOL, Tar, it just seemed aesthetically right.
So wait am I rain or brains?
You sure your tour of duty wasn’t with the USO? Can’t believe the government would endanger such a clever comedian.
“Where are your numbers to back this up?”
LOL, Tar, it just seemed aesthetically right.”
Good afternoon, Erin. I suppose that you heard about the big wedding in Britain, huh? Lord knows that family needs someone decent looking in it. Got to be the ugliest family ever.
Liriano is one bad start away from being replaced by Slowey. Might be a good buy low.
GreenBeret7 April 29th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Good afternoon, Erin. I suppose that you heard about the big wedding in Britain, huh? Lord knows that family needs someone decent looking in it. Got to be the ugliest family ever.
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LOL on the Royal Family. Although I must admit I’ve always had a thing for Prince William.
When I go home I’ll be indulging in the 6 hours of the Today show coverage on my DVR.
Ozzie Guillen has been suspended two games for tweeting.
# GreenBeret7 April 29th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
As close as you get to brain rain is that you have fertilizer for brains.
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GB ..you have been up 4 hrs..time for a nap
# blake April 29th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
“I wonder if Montero had any parting words for Cervelli.”
don’t get too comfortable?
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break a leg
“Liriano is one bad start away from being replaced by Slowey. Might be a good buy low.”
Cervelli and stuff for Liriano?
What makes you think Liriano isn’t one pitch away from shoulder surgery?
Erin when you look at those two kids all you see is Prince Chuck. my God, what a step down from Diana to Camilla. However, I’m sure it is just his way of keeping track of his polo matches. At bedtime, he looks at her and remembers that he needs to go check the ponies.
“What makes you think Liriano isn’t one pitch away from shoulder surgery?”
I’m not offering much, and an MRI would be a condition precedent to a trade.
GreenBeret7 April 29th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Erin when you look at those two kids all you see is Prince Chuck. my God, what a step down from Diana to Camilla. However, I?m sure it is just his way of keeping track of his polo matches. At bedtime, he looks at her and remembers that he needs to go check the ponies.
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What makes you think Liriano isn’t one pitch away from shoulder surgery?
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He could be, but buying low takes that into account. Its why I’m not buying high on him nor ever suggested the Yankees buy high on him
If he can be had for lesser prospects, I’d acquire him in an instant. If he dies, so be it. The upside would be tremendous.
# BoJo April 29th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
What makes you think Liriano isn’t one pitch away from shoulder surgery?
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any pitcher is one pitch away from shoulder surgery
“Liriano is one bad start away from being replaced by Slowey. Might be a good buy low.”
Gus Molina is now expendable!
I’ll buy the buy low theory, but it would have to be built on Kei Igawa.
serioulsy I’d call the Twins and see…..why not. If he’s not hurt then he’s certainly not this bad and as I’ve said before he could be a good change of scenery candiate…..maybe CC would affect him positively. Offer something like Romine and Phelps.
Ok Blake-=–Igawa, Molina,and a box of Wheaties to be named later.
So do most people believe the rotation is just flukey good right now? I don’t. Might not need to make any starter trades at this rate. We’ll see how Colon, Garcia, and Nova do, but so far so good.
blake April 29th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
serioulsy I’d call the Twins and see…..why not. If he’s not hurt then he’s certainly not this bad and as I’ve said before he could be a good change of scenery candiate…..maybe CC would affect him positively. Offer something like Romine and Phelps.
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Too much–Romine will have more trade value in a few months for a real ace.
joba straight up
the Yankees aren’t getting a “real Ace” for Romine……unless other better prospects are in the deal as well. Teams aren’t giving the Yankees a great pitcher without getting some of their best prospects in return….they just aren’t
Tom in N.J. April 29th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Ozzie Guillen has been suspended two games for tweeting.
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What exactly did Ozzie tweet after that game?
I’d trade Romine in a heartbeat.
“Your fixation is really starting to creep me out.”
No it isn’t, you’re just running out of substantive rebuttals.
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stuckey,
It really is. The past 24 hours you have been particularly weird and abrasive, and while I joke that you are a robot I am really starting to wonder how it’s possible that you understand so little emotions, reactions, or opinions that you don’t share or experience yourself.
Some of you guys talk about Liriano like he’s a sack of month old onions.
If he’s that bad why would we want him ?
If he’s not, then The Twinkies are gonna want fair value.
Which is it ?
Help me out here.
“What makes you think Liriano isn’t one pitch away from shoulder surgery?”
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Isn’t every pitcher one pitch away from shoulder surgery?
“So do most people believe the rotation is just flukey good right now? ”
yes and no. I think what they are doing now is for real….but I don’t know how long they can sustain it and I think the odds that AJ, Nova, Garcia, and Colon all four continue to pitch at a high level for the entire season are pretty low. Hughes going down hurts…..and if he’s out for most of the season I think Cashman will make a move for another starter to help offset the uncertainty.
My bad. joeman already said that.
So would I, but not for Liriano unless the scouts and doctors agreed that he was both easily fixable and durable.
“What exactly did Ozzie tweet after that game?”
Erin:
“This one going to cost me a lot money this is patetic
Today a tough guy show up a yankee stadium”
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......on-tweets/
# Erin April 29th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Tom in N.J. April 29th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Ozzie Guillen has been suspended two games for tweeting.
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What exactly did Ozzie tweet after that game?
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According to MLB rules, all social media messages must stop 30 minutes prior to the first pitch, and they can resume after the game at the individual club’s discretion. Getting ejected is not an exemption from the rules.
If he’s that bad why would we want him ?
If he’s not, then The Twinkies are gonna want fair value.
Which is it ?
Help me out here.
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Liriano has a 9 ERA and the Twins have said if he doesnt improve Slowey is going to the rotation. Nick Swisher was in a similar predicament in Chicago, very similar. Struggling, out of favor with the manager and the front office (see: Liriano work ethic in spring, comments this season about him). Swisher was valued as a sack of old onions by his club, but the Yankees understood that he could be a valuable contributor.
Same situation. His value is tanking, a team that is willing to take a risk may be able to buy him for lower than retail price.
Blake-
“and if he’s out for most of the season I think Cashman will make a move for another starter to help offset the uncertainty.”
I think so too but let’s hope he’s not.
So do most people believe the rotation is just flukey good right now?
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I would always look for upgrades.
The rotation could be awesome but it could be MORE awesome if we had a guy like Liriano. We have alot of flexibility. Nova and Colon can both be pushed to the long relief role. Nova has options.
Thanks Tom and Joeman!
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MTU,
I think there is a good chance he will even if Hughes does come back strong….it just depends on the market and what is available and what it costs.
I would prefer to give Nova a full shot before removing him from the rotation.
“Sabremetric analysis is unquestionably a superior way of organizing and making sense of baseball from a cause and effect standpoint. If you aren’t that interested in cause and effect but are more interested in the aesthetics, then looking at baseball from a narrative perspective certainly works, as long as you are not overly concerned with the “rightness” of the narrative.”
Just to be clear, I wasn’t comparing sabremetric analysis to your more basic statistical measures like pitcher’s Won-Loss, nor was that what I was referring to as “narrative”.
For one, I’m resigned to the fact there are relevant factors that go into a team’s success or lack thereof that you, me and every fan are entirely ignorant of. I believe in chemistry. I believe a clubhouse can be managed in varying degrees of effectiveness and I KNOW there is a whole player sub-culture that we’re not privy to that affects the games played on the field.
So while I appreciate stats I think we all need to fully grasp how much we don’t know.
As to narrative, I’m a big Giants fan but given the nature of a 16 game season, I understand it’s ALL about production and the human element takes a backseat.
I just have a hard time wrapping my head around following a 162 game season daily and not have a greater appreciation for the human storytelling baseball involves.
Erin April 29th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
Thanks Tom and Joeman!
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pleasure
JF-
I don’t think you answered my question, or at least I didn’t get it.
Is he bad or not ?
Why are his numbers so terrible right now ? Is that a trend ?
I wouldn’t give away a lot for a maybe. Look what we gave for Swisher. An equal bag of old onions.
If we can do that for Liriano then fine.
“I just have a hard time wrapping my head around following a 162 game season daily and not have a greater appreciation for the human storytelling baseball involves.”
Statistical analysis serves as a compliment to “human storytelling,” not as a replacement for it.
# Rich in NJ April 29th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
I would prefer to give Nova a full shot before removing him from the rotation.
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not really going to get to excited about his last start, lets do it again and again. The way he mows through the lineup first time around he would be a nice long man
Stuckey and Jerk. You guys should exchange phone #’s so you can hash this out in private.
“A whole group of people were arguing that the yankees should overpay on years and dollars Jeter to reward him for his good service to the yankees. In their eyes even acknowledging in a non-abrasive way that Jeter is no longer the Jeter of old was heresy. ”
Ummm, isn’t arguing Jeter should be rewarded for his PAST service be regarded as direct acknowledgment of his current worth?
“not really going to get to excited about his last start, lets do it again and again. The way he mows through the lineup first time around he would be a nice long man”
I think you’re seeing the operation of a learning curve rather than a ceiling.
“Statistical analysis serves as a compliment to “human storytelling,””
Or vice versa.
# Rich in NJ April 29th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
“not really going to get to excited about his last start, lets do it again and again. The way he mows through the lineup first time around he would be a nice long man”
I think you’re seeing the operation of a learning curve rather than a ceiling.
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I guess
Whatever happened to SJ44 – ? This place needs some cerebral herding.
Blake-
That does help determine things too. What’s available and at what cost ?
Welcome back Sina-velli!
“This place needs some cerebral herding.”
That’s what a lobotomy is.
Are you advocating that ?
I sort of miss ‘Guess the line up’
I hardly played, but now that it’s gone, it’s missed.
“The past 24 hours you have been particularly weird and abrasive, and while I joke that you are a robot I am really starting to wonder how it’s possible that you understand so little emotions, reactions, or opinions that you don’t share or experience yourself.”
Funny that’s your takeaway, because I’ve asked you a number of fair, reasonable questions intended to enlighten me as to your viewpoints so I could better understand them.
You’ve repeatedly refused, only to ask me questions (which I’ve answered), that better serve your agenda.
If you’ve noticed an extra level of abrasiveness toward you lately, it’s because I’m becoming closer to the conclusion you’re someone that deserves to be taken less seriously as I have previously.
Tom-
Maybe you can start a new game ?
Like GWGTUTBTW ?
“Statistical analysis serves as a compliment to “human storytelling,” not as a replacement for it.”
I agree, yet there are so many fans who are ready to dump the guy who starts slow in April.
You’ll find no bigger proponent of perspective than I.
Guess Who Gets Thrown Under The Bus This Week ?
MTU, what in heavens is GWGTUTBTW?
Gotcha!
Stuckey-
Did you know that because of their miserable start the Sux have to play around .620 baseball for the season just to get 95 wins ?
It won’t be easy ?
Edit: should read. “It won’t be easy.” w/o the question mark.
stuckey,
Except, I haven’t asked you any questions??
I am not here nor do I have any interest in babysitting or walking you through basic human emotion and motivation.
Love what cervelli brings to the clubhouse too. The guys can use some loosing up.
Your place isn’t to try cramming your beliefs about how people should enjoy viewing baseball down everyone’s throats, but that hasn’t stopped you from clogging up the board with it, either.
I don’t know about anyone else but I want to put a beatdown on the Jays.
I really don’t like their new Manager. He still stinks from having Red Sox on for so long.
And I really don’t like Mr. DuPont- Jose Bautista.
Mtu, I answered and used swisher as a comparison. I haven’t taken a look at lirianos pitching or stats to say if its a trend or not but if the yankees consider him a swisher type then despite the appearance of him being bad they might acquire him. And you asked about the twins perspective and I pointed out that they might not be in the best position to evaluate his real value. That is where bargains are found.
Actually, I don’t see bautista as anything any different than Rico Petrocelli was in the ’60s. He can hit an inside fastball, but, anything with a wrinkle or on the outside corner, he’s still the same player as he always was.
JF-
Why wouldn’t the Twins be in the BEST position to evaluate Liriano ?
Last I checked he still pitched for them.
Gb-
If it’s really that simple then they should just pitch him away,or feed him a steady diet fo breaking stuff, no ?
Me. I think it’s better living thru chemistry.
New thread ==>
MTU, that’s what the Yanks did to him in Toronto last week.
Stuckey, why are you confusing sample size patience with narrative storytelling?? There are plenty of non stat people or old schoolers that want to cut guys because they ‘look cooked’ or ‘are overmatched’. Its not a symptom of stat loving. Also find it funny you handwave chemistry in football where its arguably more important since the team works together as a unit. O line defense qb to wr relationships the balance of carries for running backs respect of coaching staff play a bigger role than anything in baseball.
Gb-
Good. Then I hope they keep it up. You don’t become a 50 hr. hitter
that late in a career. I don’t buy it. I think he’s on something.
Mtu why weren’t the white sox in the best place to evaluate swisher??? Yankees tabata etc. Organizational blindspot due to relationship troubles. Twins have a strained relationship with liriano.
JF-
OK. I understand what you’re saying now. Perhaps you’re right on their blindspot.
Other than not pitching all that well what has he done to help create it ?
Do you know ? Has it been reported that way ?
I hadn’t heard anything myself.
# MTU April 29th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Gb-
Good. Then I hope they keep it up. You don’t become a 50 hr. hitter
that late in a career. I don’t buy it. I think he’s on something.
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Et tu Colon?
Ghost of Steinbrenner April 29th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Love what cervelli brings to the clubhouse too. The guys can use some loosing up
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Pizza? Kegs? Karaoke?
Maybe Mick but I sure hope not.
Jose Bautista got drilled in wrist with a fastball the other day…may still be feeling the effects this series. I’d bust him inside all series.
I loved it when Nova stared down Bautista that time.
Great stuff.
Got to run.
Later.
If Bautista, why not Colon?
I didn’t say no. I just said I hope not.