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Pregame notes: Jeter’s one-month review, Cano a 40-homer guy (?) and more

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Pretty short pregame session with Joe Girardi today but that’s not unusual before a day game. One of the topics he did touch on, however, was – wait for it – Derek Jeter!

With today being the last day of April, Girardi was asked for his assessment of Derek Jeter after one month of the season. This is what he said:

“I think it’s been decent. Could his numbers be better? Of course they could, but all our guys numbers could be better. He got off to somewhat of a slow start and he’s picked it up lately, been pretty consistent about getting on-base for us. So I think it’s been pretty decent.”

At this moment, Jeter is hitting .253 with a .323 OBP. In terms of all major-league shortstops, that OBP puts him 14th on the list, or pretty much right in the middle of the pack. So, while obviously his production hasn’t been particularly good compared to his past standards, I guess you could make a case for “decent.”

• Girardi also spent some time talking about Robinson Cano, and Bryan Hoch asked an interesting question when he brought up Kevin Long’s statement from spring training that he could see Cano being a 40-home run type of player someday. What does Girardi think? “I don’t think anything Robbie would do would surprise me,” Girardi said.

As most of you have no doubt noticed, Cano has been hitting bullets all over the park lately, and that’s what has amazed his manager the most. “When you look at Robbie’s home runs recently,” Girardi said, “they’ve just been line drives.”

• Look for Francisco Cervelli to get his first start of the season tomorrow. He’ll be catching Ivan Nova in the series-finale with Toronto.

• Brett Gardner was 1-for-2 with two walks last night and Girardi said he’s seen some improvement in Gardner’s approach at the plate. “It just seems that he’s been on fastballs better,” Girardi said. “He’s got the bat-head in the zone when he needs to have it.”

* That’s an AP shot of Jeter looking – shall we say – unhappy, after striking out during last night’s game.

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145 Responses to “Pregame notes: Jeter’s one-month review, Cano a 40-homer guy (?) and more”

  1. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    How about an analysis on our 2 corner outfielders?, 4 Hr’s between them. Way below average I would guess, and our DH? while 6 hrs is nice, the rest of his stat line is well below average also. So if you add those below positional averages to a middle of the pack SS, it sure puts a lot of pressure on the other positional players to produce runs.

  2. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    timmy is your life as unhappy as your posts? if so, i feel for you kid….

  3. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    i like the phillies in ther non-pinstriped uni’s much better than thier regular ones.

  4. AldotheApache April 30th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
    How about an analysis on our 2 corner outfielders?, 4 Hr’s between them. Way below average I would guess, and our DH? while 6 hrs is nice, the rest of his stat line is well below average also. So if you add those below positional averages to a middle of the pack SS, it sure puts a lot of pressure on the other positional players to produce runs.

    ——————

    Puts a lot of pressure on ARod, Tex, and Cano? Umm, I think they can handle it for the time being.

  5. RMS April 30th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    “How about an analysis on our 2 corner outfielders?, 4 Hr’s between them.”

    How about this, Gardner is not a HR hitter.

  6. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Girardi could be the press secretary for the POTUS. It’s all spin, but that’s his job in this instance. No need to state the obvious negatives. Actions matter, not words.

  7. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Offensive one-month review for all Yankee positions:

    C – above avg production
    1B – avg production
    2B- way above avg production
    SS – middle of the pack – production
    3B – Slightly above avg production starting to slide a little
    LF – way below avg production
    CF – Avg production
    RF – way below avg production
    DH – HR production avg, rest of stat line way below avg
    Bench: avg to slightly above avg production

    Pitching review:
    SP – Above avg production (will it stay this way and for how long?) given the circumstances
    RP- Avg to slightly above avg production

    Manager review
    Average production, has blown a couple of games but all in all avg decision making

  8. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    he’ll keep backing posada as he backs off using him. thats what you want from a manager. po is as bad off as he’ll be all year so no need to kick him when he’s down

    Hip Hip Jorge!!!!

  9. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    The offense has been has been good (tied 2nd in the AL in runs scored, first in OPS), but there are potential vulnerabilities, which is why trading Montero for a pitcher makes very little sense.

  10. AldotheApache April 30th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Rich in NJ April 30th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
    Girardi could be the press secretary for the POTUS. It’s all spin, but that’s his job in this instance. No need to state the obvious negatives. Actions matter, not words

    ————-

    Exactly!

    I mean, what do they expect him to say?

    “Al’s 3 for 21 on this homestand and he’s killing us with men on base, plus he’s old as dirt, so I’m benching him to see what happens.”

  11. BD (Boston Dave) April 30th, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    “Imagine if we were 9-14?!?! This place would be in a panic.”

    —————-

    this place is in a panic if the Yankees are down 2-0 in the 4th inning.

    If the Yanks were 9-14 right now, considering that there are some people on this blog who are apparently psychotic enough to stalk female posters, I’d say Cashman’s life might be in danger.

    There was one time in this blog’s history that there wasn’t some form on panic. November 5th, 2009.

  12. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    id have to disagree there. the need is starting pitching and its not that likely that montero will be as good a catcher as martin already is. his value as a dh on this team is marginal with alex in his late 30′s and tex coming up behind. i have to say i dont expect to see montero get 100 ab’s as a yankee.

  13. Rich in NJ April 30th, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    That’s fine, but I think it’s a mistake to view it as Montero or Martin. We don’t know how much Martin will continue to hit or that he will stay healthy. Given his recent past, those are reasonable questions to ask. So it’s smart too have both.

    Irrespective of that, there is a glaring need for a young impact bat, and Montero can be that.

    So trade for a pitcher, just don’t include Montero.

    btw, Montero will only be 27 when Teix’s contract expires.

  14. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Ys Guy, have to disagree. I think Montero plays 15 yrs in pinstripes as DH/1B and BUC. He’s good enough to play 2 games a week at C and also DH when needed and will be groomed to play 1B when Tex DH’s, I do agree though that A-Rod and Tex will also do a lot of DH’ing in years to come.

  15. AldotheApache April 30th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
    id have to disagree there. the need is starting pitching and its not that likely that montero will be as good a catcher as martin already is. his value as a dh on this team is marginal with alex in his late 30?s and tex coming up behind. i have to say i dont expect to see montero get 100 ab’s as a yankee.

    ————————

    I will never understand the discussion of a 21 year old stud prospect going into the DH position, even if it turns out the catching position is not for him in the long run.

    And yet even one mediot from espn aka redsox nation talks about it.

  16. Against All Odds April 30th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    btw, Montero will only be 27 when Teix’s contract expires.

    ——————————————-

    And by that time he’ll be in his prime…oh boy. I wouldn’t mind a trade for an elite starter if Jesus was included in the deal but I would really love to see this kid become a Yankee and be another impact bat for this club.

  17. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Montero is custom built for the DH position, like Edgar Martinez was in Seattle, like Vladdy has been for the last few years. There’s no shame in being the next Edgar Martinez, he was damn good if I remember right and a fan favorite in Seattle. Just think if Mickey Mantle had the DH in his day or Babe Ruth?

  18. AldotheApache April 30th, 2011 at 2:52 pm

    Against All Odds April 30th, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    I wouldn’t mind a trade for an elite starter if Jesus was included in the deal but I would really love to see this kid become a Yankee and be another impact bat for this club.

    ——————

    My sentiments exactly.

  19. Tom in N.J. April 30th, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    If Montero’s bat is as good as advertised, does it matter if he’s a DH who catches some and plays a little 1B?

    .900 OPS is great regardless of position. Heck, the average DH last year in the A.L. hit .252/.332/.426/.757. Having Montero at DH could give the Yankees above average ‘value’ at that position.

  20. Against All Odds April 30th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Especially since this team is going to need bats going forward. Ppl talk about pitchers being locked up by their current team what about position players.

  21. AldotheApache April 30th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
    Montero is custom built for the DH position, like Edgar Martinez was in Seattle, like Vladdy has been for the last few years.

    —————————————–

    You’re making the argument for the exact opposite position you’re taking.

    Vlad became a DH when he could no longer play the outfield, and Edgar Martinez was a prototypical DH, ie, great hitter but keep him away from the leather.

    I repeat, Montero is a 21 year old stud prospect. Talk of making him a DH, aside from a few ABs to get him into the lineup, is just ludicrous.

  22. jackamir April 30th, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Montero will be full time DH & #3 catcher by July 4th. Posada and Jeter have been immortal Yankees but there is no cheating time. They are toast…… Difficult time for Cashman but the Yankees have shown in the past that winning is the bottomline & nothing can deter you from reaching your goals.

  23. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    why is it ludicrous to keep him at DH/BUC/1B? He can catch just not everyday so why push it? Being a DH keeps him healthy, that’s the biggest reason. And how nice would it be to have a .900 OPS hitter at DH, and one in Martin at C or .800 OPS hitter in Romine at C, .900 + OPS at 2B, 1B and 3B, if Grandy keeps hitting a .900 OPS hitter in CF and then develop a .800 OPS SS, RF, and LF? and that’s a pretty impressive offensive team imo.

  24. AldotheApache April 30th, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
    why is it ludicrous to keep him at DH/BUC/1B?

    —————————–

    1. How do you figure that a good hitter who also has a strong arm is “custom built” for DH?

    2. Name one 21 year old stud prospect at DH. Then try to figure out why, so you can answer your own question.

  25. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    what a beautiful day! i wish i was going to the game this afternoon but i will be going to my gf’s son’s H.S. game tonight which should be great! (otherwise i would love to be going to trenton to see manny b)

  26. Salliedogs7 April 30th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    A-Rod is slumping. I hope his back is OK.

  27. LGY April 30th, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    C – above avg production
    1B – avg production
    2B- way above avg production
    SS – middle of the pack – production
    3B – Slightly above avg production starting to slide a little
    LF – way below avg production
    CF – Avg production
    RF – way below avg production
    DH – HR production avg, rest of stat line way below avg

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    Really strange standards applied here.

    C: Highest OPS for a catcher in MLB by more than 100 points.
    1B: 9th highest OPS among 1B
    2B: Highest OPS among 2B by 40 points
    SS: 19/25 by SS in OPS
    3B: Highest OPS among 3B by 60 points
    LF: 17/25 by LF in OPS
    CF: 2nd highest OPS among CF. Over 60 points higher than the 3rd best CF.
    RF: 24/28 by RF in OPS
    DH: 10/13 by DH in OPS

    The marks you gave Martin, Grandy, and Alex don’t make much sense.

  28. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    if he’s not traded and doesnt cut it as a catcher, they will move montero to RF, imo. he’s got to have a positioin with the aging players on long-term deals we have. but i see him in someone else’s uni by august.

  29. Ghostwriter April 30th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    why is it ludicrous to keep him at DH/BUC/1B? He can catch just not everyday so why push it?

    =====================================

    In addition to everything else Aldo noted, you would be cutting in half the number of Major League teams (and potential trading partners) before he even takes his first ML AB.

  30. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    martin’s production is above average and above above average. he is the best hitting catcher is baseball right now and not by a small margin.

  31. AldotheApache April 30th, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    The only young prospect in my recent memory who was born to DH is Miguel Cabrera. Even in his early years with the Marlins, he was comedic out in the field. And at the age of 24, he already had the body of a 40 year old. Combine that with his reluctance to work hard to improve his fielding.

    And yet, the Tigers STILL play him primarily at 1B, at the age of 28.

  32. LGY April 30th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Martin: 162 OPS+
    Tex: 154 OPS+
    Cano: 164 OPS+
    Derek: 69 OPS+
    Alex: 176 OPS+
    Gardner: 75 OPS+
    Grandy: 157 OPS+
    Swish: 77 OPS+
    Posada: 68 OPS+

    Martin, Tex, Cano, Alex, and Grandy have been way above average.

  33. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    aldo and ghost are right, they are better keeping montero catching in the minors than bringing him up as a dh in the majors. no matter how well he hits, if you give up in him as a catcher, his trade value drops.

  34. Ghostwriter April 30th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    LGY April 30th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
    The marks you gave Martin, Grandy, and Alex don’t make much sense.
    —————————————————

    Neither does the distinction, such as it is, between “middle of the pack” and average production.

    At any rate, it’s pointless to be making these kinds of evaluations at this stage of the season–there isn’t a single player on the club with even 100 ABs…

  35. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    he wasnt trying to make sense with his review, he just wanted to whine some more .

  36. RS April 30th, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    Why will Tex need to DH a lot in the future? He’ll be 35 in the last year of his contract. Giambi was what, 35 or 36 in his last year here, and was our full-time first baseman then. Delgado, Helton, Lee, Berkman, and several others have lasted a long time at the position.

  37. Jerkface April 30th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    if you give up in him as a catcher, his trade value drops.

    Bring him up to Catch and DH. And don’t trade him.

  38. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    excellent mets-phils game. when the mets get pitching they are a pretty good team. but overall they have one of the worst pitching staffs in the majors. it will catch up to them as the season wears on.

    and this just in…halladay is a STUD!

  39. LGY April 30th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    You don’t see young stud prospects as DHs because the Yankees are the only team in baseball that has the luxury of having an All Star quality player at almost every position.

    Just because it is not typical to have a young kid at DH, doesn’t mean it does not make sense.

    The Yankees are not built in a typical fashion.

  40. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    im all for bringing montero up as a catcher, when he reaches the level of being ml ready as a catcher. the organization, who collectively know a thing or two about catchers, has decided he’s not there yet.

  41. AldotheApache April 30th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Jerkface April 30th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
    if you give up in him as a catcher, his trade value drops.

    Bring him up to Catch and DH. And don’t trade him

    ——————-

    Works for me.

  42. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    Alright Krazy Karl does it again and blows the lead for the Rays as LA ties it in the 9th 1-1. Why oh why did Cash get rid of that guy? TIC

  43. LGY April 30th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    If Montero caught 30 games a year that is plenty of games for Alex to rotate into the DH spot.

    Like RS pointed out, Tex won’t need to DH.

  44. West Coast Yankee Fan April 30th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Since when are catching and DH mutually exclusive? As a matter of fact, one could make the case that not being a full-time catcher could reduce the likelihood of injury and extend one’s career.

  45. West Coast Yankee Fan April 30th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Cano just keeps getting better and better. I am hard pressed to remember a swing so effortless and smooth. If he continues to take care of himself and avoids injuries, he could wind up being among the greatest second baseman to ever play the game; if not the greatest.

  46. Ghostwriter April 30th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    LGY April 30th, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    You don’t see young stud prospects as DHs because the Yankees are the only team in baseball that has the luxury of having an All Star quality player at almost every position.

    Just because it is not typical to have a young kid at DH, doesn’t mean it does not make sense.

    The Yankees are not built in a typical fashion.
    ===================================
    I just think that it would be tough to pigeonhole a true stud player in that fashion. The kid, realizing his potential worth, would almost certainly push back against the club that was diminishing his career prospects in such a prejudicial fashion. You probably can do it to a marginal player, but not stud prospect…. And again, it’s not in a club’s interests to diminish the value of its assets…

  47. LGY April 30th, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Not a single catcher in baseball last season started more than 130 games at C.

    Not one.

    120-130 games for Martin leaves plenty of time for Montero to slide in there and catch some.

  48. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Martin: 162 OPS+
    Tex: 154 OPS+
    Cano: 164 OPS+
    Derek: 69 OPS+
    Alex: 176 OPS+
    Gardner: 75 OPS+
    Grandy: 157 OPS+
    Swish: 77 OPS+
    Posada: 68 OPS

    That reiterates my point that the Yanks getting well below avg production from the 3 positions that are the so called ” power/production” positions; DH, and the 2 corners positions and imo below avg production also from SS, even if it’s been mentioned that Jeter’s OBP is 14th in MLB.

  49. LGY April 30th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Or if you want to be cautious with Martin and not push him too hard, you can only catch him say 100-110 times and DH him some.

  50. Jerkface April 30th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    The only player currently on the team that may need to DH ‘in the future’ is A-rod, and I would keep him at third well into his 30s, not a big deal.

  51. AldotheApache April 30th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    LGY April 30th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
    You don’t see young stud prospects as DHs because the Yankees are the only team in baseball that has the luxury of having an All Star quality player at almost every position.

    Just because it is not typical to have a young kid at DH, doesn’t mean it does not make sense.

    ———————–

    I don’t get your first point, and how the Yankees have anything to do with no stud prospects at DH.

    However, I totally agree with your second point, hence my post about Miguel Cabrera. The guy can rake, but is atrocious out in the field. I don’t really follow the Tigers much, but I’m amazed they play him at 1B so much.

    IMO, there are no stud propspects at DH because it’s rare that a young player comes along with little or no hope of having a field position. They don’t generally look like Big Sloppy Ortiz at that age. And the only one I’ve seen at that age who should not ever play the field is currently an everyday first baseman!!!

  52. RS April 30th, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    There’s also the fact that Martin can play 3B occasionally. They could do a rotation where 75% of the time Montero DHs, Arod plays 3B, and Martin catches, and the other 25% Montero catches, Arod DHs, and Martin either plays 3B (if he’s hot) or sits out. There’s definitely a way for Montero to get ABs on this team.

  53. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Bottom of the 9th at the Trop. tied 1-1. Rays and LA as Farnsy blows another save!!

  54. Jerkface April 30th, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    IMO, there are no stud propspects at DH because it’s rare that a young player comes along with little or no hope of having a field position. They don’t generally look like Big Sloppy Ortiz at that age. And the only one I’ve seen at that age who should not ever play the field is currently an everyday first baseman!!!

    Teams either don’t have a DH position to play at or they suffer bad defense at other positions. Andre Ethier is the worst RFer in baseball. Miguel Cabrera is not a good 1b. Adam Dunn was atrocious in the field.

  55. Ghostwriter April 30th, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    The truth is that Montero and the Yankees are best served having him in Triple-A for at least 3 months. To this point, Montero has only about 1,500 professional ABs compared with about 1,950 for Jeter and Cano before they were called up. I don’t see the need to rush him. In fact, that’s why Cash got Martin, and the Yanks now seem to have a very pleasant quandary.

  56. RS April 30th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    “I don’t get your first point, and how the Yankees have anything to do with no stud prospects at DH.”

    I think he means that most other teams would have moved Montero to 1B or RF by now, or already promoted him to the majors as a catcher. The Yankees already have a 30 HR player at 1B and RF, and their current catcher is one of the best in the game, so it doesn’t make sense to force Montero in any of those positions.

  57. LGY April 30th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    Holy crap. In 2007 Martin started 13 more games at catcher than any other catch in MLB.

    The Dodgers killed him.

    130 games should really be the absolute max for Martin.

  58. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:35 pm

    I mentioned Tex can DH also in future years because he tends to be injury prone, losing him in last year’s postseason against the Rangers really hurt imo, and if Montero could be groomed to play an occasional 1B it wouldn’t be a bad thing to prolong his career.

  59. yankee21 April 30th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Regarding pitching needs,, Cashman should make it clear to any trade partners that Banuelos, Montero and G.Sanchez are off-limits.

    Betances should only go as part of a package for a top of the rotation starter.

    Everybody else is tradeable.

    If Montero gets traded for anything less than a 27-28 year old stud position player or straight up for a number #1, #2 starter type, I will despise Cashman forever.

    I may ultimately be proven wrong, but Montero, Sanchez and Banuelos are three guys I do not move.

  60. LGY April 30th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    From 2007-2009 Martin caught 57 more innings than any other catcher in MLB.

  61. AldotheApache April 30th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    RS April 30th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
    “I don’t get your first point, and how the Yankees have anything to do with no stud prospects at DH.”

    I think he means that most other teams would have moved Montero to 1B or RF by now, or already promoted him to the majors as a catcher. The Yankees already have a 30 HR player at 1B and RF, and their current catcher is one of the best in the game, so it doesn’t make sense to force Montero in any of those positions.

    ———————–

    Now I get it.

    Thanks.

  62. LGY April 30th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    He caught 332 more innings more than the catcher with the 3rd more innings! :shock:

  63. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    damn good play by howard to end halladay’s gem. people who dont watch the phillied dont realize how much howard has improved defensively.

  64. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Our good buddy Johnny Damon at bat now for the Rays, 1 out bottom of the 9th, still miss him in the Yankees lineup.

  65. LGY April 30th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    *most* not more

  66. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    lgy, alot of people have metioned that torre using martin every single day may have added to his decline of the last year and a half.

    there was also an article on espn by tristan coc kroft yesterday tracing the decline of jonathan broxton back to his june 27th loss to the yankees last year and basically blaming joe torre for it.

  67. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    Fernando Rodney he of the 100mph fb now in to keep it a 1-1 game, 2 outs bottom 9.

  68. Jerkface April 30th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    Martin played every day was a combination of the dodgers and martin himself. He wants to play everyday. He thinks of himself as athletic and able to handle it. The Yankees need to push back during the regular season so come playoff time they give him every game.

  69. Ghostwriter April 30th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    yankee21 April 30th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Regarding pitching needs,, Cashman should make it clear to any trade partners that Banuelos, Montero and G.Sanchez are off-limits.

    Betances should only go as part of a package for a top of the rotation starter.

    ==================================================

    If we want to get a top of the rotation starter from anybody, I suspect that we would have to give up somebody from the big club, possibly including Hughes (if healthy), Nova, Gardner, Cervelli, Swisher, Granderson, or Cano (not all of these players but any of them). But I doon’t think that the Yanks could hope to get a Johnson or Felix Hernandez without giving up real value, and a ML player…

  70. West Coast Yankee Fan April 30th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Regarding Montero. One has to balance doing what may be necessary to win this year — with being smart developing high-end prospects, which often takes time.

    I think the reality of this season will dictate what they do, within reason, and I don’t think that includes doing anything in the near future. Certainly not when we are in first place and Martin is healthy and producing.

    But if come the all-star break, Posada and Jones are stinking it up and Cervelli proves to be a negative, I think there is a good chance we will see Montero.

  71. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    top 10 in the Trop 1-1. Let’s go LA get some runs.

  72. Jerkface April 30th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    there was also an article on espn by tristan coc kroft yesterday tracing the decline of jonathan broxton back to his june 27th loss to the yankees last year and basically blaming joe torre for it.

    Since the 50 pitch outing against the yankees, Broxton has something like a 9 ERA and terrible numbers overall. Much like Granderson’s swing change, that is a significant event that I don’t think suffers from something like an arbitrary end point.

  73. Ghostwriter April 30th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    damn good play by howard to end halladay’s gem. people who dont watch the phillied dont realize how much howard has improved defensively.
    ——————————————————-

    Howard is a great great player….

  74. AldotheApache April 30th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
    I mentioned Tex can DH also in future years because he tends to be injury prone, losing him in last year’s postseason against the Rangers really hurt imo

    ——————–

    timmy, this dh thing seems to be a blind spot for you.

    Tex IMMENSELY improves the infield defense for the Yankees. That’s a huge part of his value to the team. Hello? Gold Glove the last 2 years???

    And I believe his injuries have come on the basepaths or at the plate. I don’t recall him missing any time from an injury while playing D (I could be wrong, but the point remains …)

  75. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    i miss johnny damon because he is a first-class individual but i’m not jonesing for his .298 obp at the top of this lineup nor his nonexistent range and noodle arm in the OF. best of luck to johnny but im not missing him in pinstripes right about now.

  76. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    The thing is, Montero has played more than a whole season at AAA. He’s not a AA virgin like Melky was.

  77. UnKnown April 30th, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    And if Johnny would’ve grounded out there in a Yankee uniform today it would’ve been

    Johnny Sucks, he needs to retire.. Can’t believe Cashman keeps paying all these guys that are washed up. Past Time Change for Damon. Bring up Golson.

  78. yankee21 April 30th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    …But I doon’t think that the Yanks could hope to get a Johnson or Felix Hernandez without giving up real value, and a ML player…

    Agreed but I would be shocked if Johnson were to become available by FL and I would be shocked that SEA asking price for “King” Felix would be anything less than the moon, so if I were Cash I’d be hanging up.

  79. GreenBeret7 April 30th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
    Alright Krazy Karl does it again and blows the lead for the Rays as LA ties it in the 9th 1-1. Why oh why did Cash get rid of that guy? TIC

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Of course, you neglected to mention that it was Shields that gave up the leadoff double and Farnsworth allowed the Devil Rays two soft groundball outs to 2nd and 1st. He really blew that one, didn’t he?

  80. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    I didn’t say DH Tex everyday, I meant give Girardi the opp to DH Tex once in a great while, I’m sure Girardi would like the luxury of DH’ing Tex in later years of his career OCCASIONALLY.

  81. Jerkface April 30th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    I dont think JJ gets traded because the marlins are opening their new park. Felix is ‘the guy’ but with Mariner fans clamoring for Prince Fielder next offseason I think the team might keep him and Pineda together.

  82. Ghostwriter April 30th, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    AldotheApache April 30th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Tex IMMENSELY improves the infield defense for the Yankees. That’s a huge part of his value to the team. Hello? Gold Glove the last 2 years???

    ———————————————————-

    Good point, Aldo. There was a clear improvement in the defense in 2009, when the Yanks added Tex to the club. Having a first baseman that actually can turn the 3-6-3 double play is huge. Now, the Yanks added Martin, which makes that infield defense just outstanding and more than capable of shutting the opposition’s running game.

  83. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    yankee21 April 30th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
    Regarding pitching needs,, Cashman should make it clear to any trade partners that Banuelos, Montero and G.Sanchez are off-limits.

    Betances should only go as part of a package for a top of the rotation starter.

    Everybody else is tradeable.

    If Montero gets traded for anything less than a 27-28 year old stud position player or straight up for a number #1, #2 starter type, I will despise Cashman forever.

    I may ultimately be proven wrong, but Montero, Sanchez and Banuelos are three guys I do not move.
    /////

    You’re a thousand times wrong that Betances is in some relegated spot compared with ManBan-Montero-Sanchez. He’s with them.

    Make him available in a trade??? NO.

  84. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    Hey it feels good to rag on KK once in a while after all of the grief he put us Yankee fans through whether he deserved it or not.

  85. Jerkface April 30th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    I didn’t say DH Tex everyday, I meant give Girardi the opp to DH Tex once in a great while, I’m sure Girardi would like the luxury of DH’ing Tex in later years of his career OCCASIONALLY.

    Playing Montero at DH doesn’t make that an issue. Also if Montero is a better hitter than Tex, then instead of DHing Tex would simply get a day off. Alternatively, Montero starts learning 1st the next couple of springs and plays 1st while Tex DHs.

    Montero is the guy I’d peg right now to replace Tex at 1st when his contract is up. Montero will be right in his prime.

  86. Ghostwriter April 30th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    yankee21 April 30th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    …But I doon’t think that the Yanks could hope to get a Johnson or Felix Hernandez without giving up real value, and a ML player…

    Agreed but I would be shocked if Johnson were to become available by FL and I would be shocked that SEA asking price for “King” Felix would be anything less than the moon, so if I were Cash I’d be hanging up.
    ==========================================

    I agree. I think getting Johnson or Hernandez is a non-starter (no pun intended). I just think that the folks who think that we can package Betances and Sanchez to bring back a top-flight starter are delusional.

  87. timmyb72 April 30th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    LA goes down in top of 10, still 1-1.

  88. yankee21 April 30th, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    I make Betances available in a trade package for a #1, or #2 starter that is less than 30.

    Not many of those guys around but if one were to shake loose, I don’t let Betances hang up the trade.

    To me, Betances is a premium talent but he is not untouchable to the tune of Montero, Banuelos and G. Sanchez are.

    JMO.

  89. Ghostwriter April 30th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    Fair enough. My point was simply that Betances (or whichever high level minor league prospect) would be the opening piece and not the most valuable player that we would have to include…

  90. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    betances and montero as a starter add 2 more guys who you dont really want to give up to that package. but if phil doesnt come back you may not have much choice. and lets remember, there are no guarantees on any of these propsects. thats why they call them prospects.
    (of course there are also no guarantees with even king felix or jj)

  91. Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    farnsy has been really good this year. i picked him up on almost every one of my fbb teams in the last round and he has paid huge dividends.

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    I just think that the folks who think that we can package Betances and Sanchez to bring back a top-flight starter are delusional.

    ///

    while i see that we could not get Felix or JJ for those two, I WOULD BE HESITANT TO MAKE THAT TRADE even if it were accepted. See the difference? It’s not just about what those pitchers would dictate,it’s how we view the guys we’d be sending.

    those projections are highly relevant. BEtances was labeled by Cashman as possibly the best starter we’ve ever drafted for a reason. Betances was compared with Hernandez, in fact, by Josh Towers, for a reason. When you go see Betances pitch, it’s pretty clear he’s a BMOC in AA even though he has barely pitched there. THe hitters have virtually no chance against him. FOR A REASON. You guys act like he’s Tyler Clippard. He’s not. HE’s 6-feet=8 inches tall & when he throws the ball to these hitters it’s like the Klingons dropped him onto the mound and it’s hey, no fair. There’s a REASON for the optimism about Betances. Do the Mariners see him that way? How the hell should I know. I know what I know & therefore the comments from Cashman & Towers don’t surprise me.

    Sanchez I got my first look at live. Hard to believe that kid is 18. He’s special.If Betances becomes a guy who can do to ML hitters what he’s doin against AA,& Sanchez continues on a path of being a quality catcher with an excellent bat,I want those guys to stay put. I don’t want to trade for a version of one of them (potentially, even if an inferior version but still potentially dominant) PLUS trade an elite-hitting catcher.

    I guess Seattle would laugh,but I’ll laugh harder & longer at my good fortune if both those kids stud it up in the majors some day soon.Hernandez was a prospect once,too.

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Ys Guy April 30th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
    betances and montero as a starter add 2 more guys who you dont really want to give up to that package. but if phil doesnt come back you may not have much choice. and lets remember, there are no guarantees on any of these propsects. thats why they call them prospects.
    (of course there are also no guarantees with even king felix or jj)

    ////

    & there’s no guarantee that 25-yr old Hernandez or 27 yr old JJ don’t come here and blow out their shoulder, & you’ve not only lost depth in your system but you’ve lost depth at the elite level.the fact is, seattle would demand our future for the next 5 yrs or so of it for a shot at the present.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock April 30th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    yankee21 April 30th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
    I make Betances available in a trade package for a #1, or #2 starter that is less than 30.

    Not many of those guys around but if one were to shake loose, I don’t let Betances hang up the trade.

    To me, Betances is a premium talent but he is not untouchable to the tune of Montero, Banuelos and G. Sanchez are.

    JMO.
    ///
    sure it’s YO,but I wonder what it’s based on? Have you seen Betances pitch outside of TV ST games? If you have,I’d like to know if it was last season. IOW, what IYO separates him from the other two? One if a LHP, the other two are catchers who project elite bats. So, I mean beyond that. Because I find a lot of commenters (& there are many who sneer at “prospects”) make conclusive statements about younger talent without having even seen the guys play.I am just wondering how you could have arrived at that opinion, that Betances, who has all the makings of a front rotation talent (gigantic arm,pitches downhill, tall, built kid, best curve & fb in entire system, changeup he gets misses on & has such confidence in he throws it in any count), is inferior relatively speaking to those three? & I should also mention that he’s a yr or so away,which would make him even more highly regarded??

    I’m out,off to see Banuelos pitch at Trenton. I’ll look for your reply. thanks.

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