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Long on Jeter: “We’ve got to start driving the ball”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 04, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter has gone back-to-back games without a hit only twice this season. He has not fallen into any sort of unthinkable slump, and he’s kept his batting average hovering around .250. Jeter hasn’t been especially good, but he’s generally done just enough to keep himself off the radar (considering this is the Yankees captain we’re talking about). He hasn’t faced quite the criticism that Brett Gardner faced a few weeks ago or that Jorge Posada faced a few days ago.

But it’s hard to miss the fact Jeter has just two extra-base hits. Eduardo Nunez has as many doubles as Jeter, and a .250 batting average isn’t exactly setting the world on fire.

“When I come to the stadium, I don’t try to think about what’s already happened,” Jeter said last night. “How I feel now, I feel good. I can’t change anything that happened in the first month of the season. Yeah, I didn’t swing the bat well. I probably was swinging a lot mainly just on my arms, and I wasn’t using my legs. I think as of late, I’ve been using my legs a lot better.”

Jeter’s past three seasons tell the tale of a declining line-drive rate. He’s always hit more ground balls than fly balls, but he used to hit line drives on roughtly 20 percent of his batted balls. Now it’s closer to 10 percent. Those missing line drives have turned into ground balls, not hard-hit balls into the outfield.

“You say, ‘We’ve got to start driving the ball,’” hitting coach Kevin Long said. “That comes from using your lower half and hip torque. We’ve got to get into that a little bit more, because that’s where it comes from. It doesn’t come from having quick hands. It comes from driving your legs and your lower half.”

Long said that, to some extent, the ground balls are inevitable.

“He’s obviously a guy who lets the ball travel,” Long said. “And when you let the ball travel, the ball’s going to be on the ground. That’s the mechanics of the swing.”

But Jeter’s driven the ball in the past, and he drove the ball a little bit last night. After the game, Jeter went further than before in admitting that he’s shifted away from some of the mechanical changes he made this spring, and he said the return has made him more comfortable. He’s hoping it makes him more productive as well.

“We made some adjustments early on this spring, and I sort of went back to some old ways,” Jeter said. “It’s a matter of getting the timing. I adjusted to having more time, and then I had to go back to adjust to how I used to be. It’s taken a while, but right now I feel good.”  ‘

Here’s Jeter after last night’s game.

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208 Responses to “Long on Jeter: “We’ve got to start driving the ball””

  1. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Blake-

    Your favorite subject.

    :)

  2. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    C’mon. Just admit it.

    You’ll feel better.

    :)

  3. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    “Jeter hasn’t been especially good, but he’s generally done just enough to keep himself off the radar”

    Uhhh Chad… do you even read the comments section?! ;)

  4. Abe Peterham May 4th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    You dont survive this long being ignorant about what it takes to hit,,,jete will find his happy place..

  5. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Derek. Hang in there baby.

    We’re coming to get you out from under the bus.

    We got Grandy out, and GGBG out. And others.

    We’ll get you out too.

    ;)

  6. Tom in N.J. May 4th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    Phil Hughes?

  7. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    I did think it was odd that when they tried to change his swing it looked like he wasn’t able to get a good rotation in his hips. I’m sure that wasn’t Long’s intention, but maybe the Cap can find a happy medium. This is really the first time in his long career he’s had to make such a mechanical adjustment.. it just takes some time.

  8. Erin May 4th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    I do think Jeter has looked better the last few games. Hopefully he can keep it up.

  9. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Tom-

    Is Joba a starter ?

    Is Sabremetrics the way to go ?

    Where is Jimmy Hoffa ?

    Who shot Liberty Valence ?

    Was there more than one shooter in the Kennedy assasination ?

    Did the U.S. REALLY land on the Moon ?

    Is Bin Laden really dead ?

    Etc.

    :)

  10. blake May 4th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Shame, We can hope….he’s looking a little better and he is usig his.lower half a little more.

    I think eliminating his stride was a good idea in theory…..he just couldn’t seem to do that and still fire his hips. He was hitting flat footed and using all upper body. Last night was maybe the first time I’ve seen him actually clear his hips and drive the ball this year…..hopefully he’s getting more.comfortable and we will.see more of that.

    Here is a fun question : what is the worst of the no hitters? My vote …..Edwin Jackson, 8 walks and 149 pitches!

  11. CountryClub May 4th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    “He hasn’t faced quite the criticism that Brett Gardner faced a few weeks ago or that Jorge Posada faced a few days ago.”

    WHAT?? Jeter is getting killed by national media, by local media and by NY fans. I’m not sure how much worse it can get.

    That said, I think he’s been hitting the ball harder the past few games. I have a feeling he’s going to go on a bit of a streak.

  12. blake May 4th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    The Lohud Derek Jeter Blog welcomes you….may we take your coat?

  13. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Blake-

    The ones where the no-hitter is thrown but the team still manages to lose.

    I bet there are some.

    ;)

  14. upstate kate May 4th, 2011 at 9:34 am

    so much for a day w/o a Jeter discussion :(

  15. blake May 4th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    MTU,

    I think there are some….I can’t look it up as Im on my phone. Good list of questions….BTW….secrets of the universe ;)

  16. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    OK.

    Let’s try it this way.

    Derek Jeter Sucks. He places himself over the team.

    Can’t hit a lick. Has no range anymore.

    He needs to be moved down to the 9 hole for eternity.

    AND. His freakin’ contract was a joke.

    Does that about cover it ?

    :)

  17. LGY May 4th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    I think mainly reverting to his old mechanics is going to help him vs LHP. While, he is getting on base vs lefties this year he is not even close to the hitter so far this season vs them as he was last year or in previous years.

    Last year he OPSd .872 vs LHP. He OPSd over 1 vs them in 2009. So far this season only .695 with just a .269 average.

    However, I really don’t see how this is going to help hit righties which is the main issue. I think at this point he would have to completely overhaul his swing to do that.

    I guess being an effective platoon player is better than nothing.

  18. blake May 4th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    One thing about Liriano…..it wasn’t the most impressive not hitter ever, but it was a no hitter, and he did throw 126 pitches and still had life on them in the 9th……would suggest that he’s healthy I would think.

  19. Mell May 4th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Here is a fun question : what is the worst of the no hitters?

    ===================

    I’m taking Cowley’s as the ugliest, with Burnett’s a close 2nd. Say what you will about Jackson’s and Liriano’s respective efforts, but also note that both pitched their no-no’s while protecting a 1-0 lead.

  20. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Blake-

    Arm re-attachment surgery began at the break of dawn.

    I’d rather have Danks.

    :)

  21. blake May 4th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    LGY,

    I think that depends. Thing is that he may just have to guess more than in the past and look for pitches in certain counts. As I said, the elimination of the stride was good in theory but he just couldn’t seem to do that and still use his lower half…..he looked incredibly uncomfortable hitting that way.

    He is probably better off hitting the say he’s comfortable and figuring out a way to get to pitches that way….he was clearing his hips better last night than he has all year. Losing bat speed doesn’t mean you can’t hit anymore in all cases…..it just means you may not be able to approach things the same way……

  22. blake May 4th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Mell,

    That is true. A no hit shutout is never bad however you slice it.

  23. Mell May 4th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    The ones where the no-hitter is thrown but the team still manages to lose.
    ========

    As I understand it, such games are actually not recognized as no hitter’s. Last one I remember happening was Matt Young throwing a complete game (8 innings because he was pitching for the road team) no hitter in Cleveland and lost 2-1. He is not credited with pitching a no hitter.

  24. Mell May 4th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    “I’d rather have Danks.”

    =========

    Can’t see getting him w/o losing one the team’s Top 3 or 4 prospects.

  25. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Mell-

    HBP’s, errors, and walks can lead to the loss w/o a hit being given up.

    It’s merely a technicality IMO that they are not considered losing No-No’s.

    Another of the quirkly rulings of baseball.

  26. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Mell-

    We have some to spare.

    As long as it’s not Banuelos or Montero I’m for it.

    Some would include Betances as well.

    All we have to do is match our assets with the WS needs.

    I would like to think we could do that.

    :)

  27. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    As I understand it, such games are actually not recognized as no hitter’s. Last one I remember happening was Matt Young throwing a complete game (8 innings because he was pitching for the road team) no hitter in Cleveland and lost 2-1. He is not credited with pitching a no hitter.

    I think you get credit if its a 9 inning no hitter.

  28. DocTodd May 4th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Spin it anyway you want, but a .250 average with no power stinks…..

  29. Mell May 4th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    All we have to do is match our assets with the WS needs

    =================

    White Sox needs are C and 3B, IMO. Yankees can’t help them w/ the 3B so far as I can see. Romine wouldn’t be nearly enough. Maybe Romine and some pitching, but it’d have to be pretty damn good pitching.

  30. blake May 4th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    If they could get Danks without giving up Montero or Banuelos then that would be a great get….no clue if they could but if they could build a package with anyone besides those two and get him then they should…..this is of course if the Sox continue to stink it up.and they make him.available.

    I still think they’ll claw back into the race as they will play better and the Indians will come.back to the field.

  31. blake May 4th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Romine and Betances for Danks? Id do that if the White Sox would.

  32. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Blake-

    That’s the thing. We never know what player(s) the White Sox would covet.

    Off hand, you’d say it’s a Montero or a Banuelos but maybe they have other needs and a dfiiferent vision of things.

    We have a lot of talent to offer.

    I’m gonna hope the WS do not bounce back.

  33. Against All Odds May 4th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    # blake May 4th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Romine and Betances for Danks? Id do that if the White Sox would.

    ———————————-

    I’d do that too especially since you’re keeping Manny and Jesus

  34. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Mell-

    OK. How about Romine, Laird, Brackman, etc.

    Some teams might think highly of guys like Noesi, Warren, Phelps, etc.

    We do not know what their scouts think about our guys.

  35. Mell May 4th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    I think you get credit if its a 9 inning no hitter

    ======

    I believe you are correct. Apparently that has happened twice.

  36. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    One American League talent evaluator said, “It’s almost sad to see how fast [Jeter] has lost it. Everything looks slow, soft, old. I hate saying it, because everyone respects Derek. But it’s true.”

  37. Mell May 4th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    OK. How about Romine, Laird, Brackman, etc

    ===============

    Maybe. The White Sox would still need a 3B after completing this proposed deal, but it may in the ballpark.

  38. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Blake-

    I would probably do that one too.

    Many on here think that Betances is better than Banuelos, and that he should be untouchable.

    Gotta give to get. I’d rather keep Manny. He’s a lefty.

  39. 108 stitches May 4th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    The Captain doesn’t want to hear it but he’ll soon be 37 (6/26/74) and has lost some bat speed.

  40. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Danks is 0 and 4, no Montero or B’s for him. Romine + I’d go for. Not sure they’d go after a 3B with Brent Morel.

  41. Mell May 4th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Romine and Betances for Danks? Id do that if the White Sox would.

    =========================

    This would seem to me to be in the ballpark. As MTU suggests, much hinges on what other teams feel about the Yankees talent.

  42. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Mell-

    If they think they can get a better offer they’re free to do so.

    We have the best catching pipeline, and a pretty competitive offering
    of young pitching talent.

    They’re not likely to get everything they want.

    That’s rare.

    I was trying to say that one never knows how they see our farm.

    For example, the M’s turned down Jesus for Smoak. I would never have predicted that.

  43. Mell May 4th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Danks is 0 and 4

    ==========

    He’d be the #2 starter on this team as presently comprised. Guy’s getting zippidity doo dah for run support. 4 quality starts out of six, but the White Sox have scored 18 runs in his starts, and that includes one where they scored 7.

  44. mick May 4th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Why make a deal now?
    Do we have a pitching problem yet?
    We have pitchers in the minors. Why be hasty?

  45. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    He’d be the #2 starter on this team as presently comprised. Guy’s getting zippidity doo dah for run support

    Of course, but if I were a GM I’d hammer the opposing GM on his record (and ERA) to drive down cost. Not to mention he wants lots of money and is only under control for 1.5 years.

  46. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    I like Mell’s offer better… I really, really want to keep Dellin even though Manny is apparently the one with more talent.

  47. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:12 am

    And just as an aside, if the Yankees, in their heart of hearts, don’t really see Montero as a Catcher.

    He might be expendable too if someone wanted him.

    Montero’s real value is if he sticks @ Catcher IMO.

  48. Erin May 4th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Guy?s getting zippidity doo dah for run support

    ********************

    :lol:

    Yesteday was “Achy Breaky Heart”, today’s “Zippidity Doo Dah”

    What will tomorrow’s bad song reference be, “Disco Duck”???

  49. Erin May 4th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    edit- Yesterday

  50. Bronx Jeers May 4th, 2011 at 10:15 am

    “Jeter hasn’t been especially good, but he’s generally done just enough to keep himself off the radar”

    Uhhh Chad… do you even read the comments section?!

    ———————————————————

    We’re the radar ?

  51. Mell May 4th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    the M’s turned down Jesus for Smoak. I would never have predicted that

    ====================

    Most of us agree on that, though it looks like Smoak is beginning to figure things out at this level.

  52. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Erin-

    That depends on wether the Yankees win or lose tonite.

    ;)

  53. monzagorilla May 4th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Has anyone suggested Jeter take an eye test? Might be some simple vision issue where he isn’t seeing the ball as well, so subconsciously he’s compensating.

    Also, gotta be Andy Hawkins for the worst no-hitter – he no-hit Chicago White Sox, but lost 4-0! Gave up the four runs on an error, two walks, another error and a lost-in-the-sun fly ball. Oye! Yeah, I know it isn’t an “official” no-hitter anymore since he only pitched eight innings.

  54. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:04 am
    Blake-

    I would probably do that one too.

    Many on here think that Betances is better than Banuelos, and that he should be untouchable.

    Gotta give to get. I’d rather keep Manny. He’s a lefty.
    ///

    You don’t give Betances. It’s easy to be so casual with a pitcher you’ve never actually seen outside of a few token ST innings. If you were going to his starts, you would lock him in the family safe.

    We’ should not give up either of them, that’s why we have stockpile pitchers under the two royals to trade. Brackman? reluctantly, but for the right arm, yes. Throw in Romine, & anyone else they want that is not Sanchez or Montero. I’d hate to give up Heathcott, but again for the right arm, I’d include him. Hate to give up Jose Ramirez, but I’d do it.

    Betances, Banuelos, Montero, Sanchez I would not move.

  55. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Most of us agree on that, though it looks like Smoak is beginning to figure things out at this level.

    Its smoak and mirrors

  56. 108 stitches May 4th, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Being lefthanded doesn’t hurt the case for John Danks.
    If the White Sox are insignificant in the Central Division race in July, he could be made available.
    Cashman and Ken Williams can do business together. Start with Romine and go from there. Cashman will need the advice of Mark Newman and others as to what pitchers are expenable.

  57. LGY May 4th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Hughes for Danks straight up.

  58. mick May 4th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    I wouldn’t trade Betances or Banuelos for anyone other than Josh Johnson or the King.
    No Phillie pitcher either.

  59. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Mell-

    My point was, it’s a question of the other team’s needs and perceptions not ours.

    I still think Smoak will not touch Montero but I’d be willing to bet that the M’s did not see him sticking at Catcher and so they valued him
    less. Or maybe they didn’t feel they needed a Catcher more than a 1B. or maybe they just plain effed up. We’ll never know.

    Evaluators may see him as 1b/DH type. I don’t agree but many out there believe so.

  60. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Jeers – I’d hope not but I thought it was amusing Chad said that when all I’ve read about for a week is how awful Jeter has been.

  61. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    JAP-

    OK Man. No problem. Whatever you say.

    No Betances.

    :)

  62. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Jeers – I’d hope not but I thought it was amusing Chad said that when all I’ve read about for a week is how awful Jeter has been.

    I’m your advanced doppler radar on jeter. Get the news before it happens.

  63. mick May 4th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Posada running last night was absurd beyond belief.
    There was no reasoning behind it.
    Perhaps a sign of a deeper problem.

  64. Against All Odds May 4th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    # LGY May 4th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Hughes for Danks straight up.

    ——————————————

    All we need to do is perform an inception on Kenny Williams and it’s a done deal.

  65. West Coast Yankee Fan May 4th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    So much for K. Long’s swing doctoring for Jeter. Although the crow’s feet may have more to do with it.

  66. mick May 4th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    JAP-

    OK Man. No problem. Whatever you say.
    ===
    Why the attitude? JAP is right.

  67. Mell May 4th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    I still think Smoak will not touch Montero but I’d be willing to bet that the M’s did not see him sticking at Catcher and so they valued him
    less. Or maybe they didn’t feel they needed a Catcher more than a 1B. or maybe they just plain effed up. We’ll never know.
    =============

    We agree here. I think Smoak is going to be a very good hitter. Always a big fan of guys with a history walking as much as they strike out. They tend to do pretty well. Will he hit like Montero? Maybe, maybe not, but whatever the answer, he won’t do it as long because he’s 3 years older. I think Seattle erred, but like we’ve talked about, a lot of this is eye of the beholder stuff and different eyes see different things.

  68. LGY May 4th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    So much for K. Long’s swing doctoring for Jeter. Although the crow’s feet may have more to do with it.

    ————

    Pretty hard to fix a patient that won’t take the medicine you prescribed.

  69. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Mick-

    No attitude. I was more joking with him more than anything else.

    I hope he knows that.

    I like Betances too. I just like Banuelos more at this point.

  70. blake May 4th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    The chances that Betances becomes as good of a major league starter as John Danks is now aren’t as good as a lot of folks want to believe. He’s got the potential to be a stud but that’s potential and he may never put it all together at all……if you can get Danks and keep your best 2 prospects then I think you do it…..JMO

  71. mick May 4th, 2011 at 10:33 am

    It’s funny how fans cry when a prospect is traded but can’t wait to trade them.
    How that equates is beyond me.
    Talk about knee jerk.

  72. West Coast Yankee Fan May 4th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Maybe the medicine wasn’t the right one.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Believe me, it would hurt to trade Heathcott from what I’ve seen. Think Brett Gardner with true hitting ability and gap power. With a canon arm. A lefty who could hit line drives into the rightfield seats. 3 days of seeing Heathcott turned me around on him, because when I saw him first & last I wasn’t that impressed, but he was coming off a knee injury & it wasn’t a fair shake because it was so brief. He also had shoulder surgery after that, so I wasn’t really so jacked to see him, more so about Sanchez, Flores, Murphy, Feliz. Heathcott is good. Real good.

  74. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    It’s funny how fans cry when a prospect is traded but can’t wait to trade them.

    LOHUD fallacy, are these groups the same people?

  75. Erin May 4th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    I like this very much. :D

    YankeesPR Be sure to pick up the upcoming @SportingNews with Robinson Cano on the cover http://twitpic.com/4ta36b

  76. blake May 4th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Trading prospects is all about trading the right ones and keeping the right ones….and the Yanks have been fairly good at evaluating that.

  77. Against All Odds May 4th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    # Erin May 4th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    I like this very much. :D

    YankeesPR Be sure to pick up the upcoming @SportingNews with Robinson Cano on the cover http://twitpic.com/4ta36b

    ————————————

    The Prince of the City

  78. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    .291 .467 .392 .859 Ramon Flores line. Hilarious.

  79. LGY May 4th, 2011 at 10:41 am

    The sames ones that always claim that the same ones are complaining about something are the same ones that complain about something else that contradict their complaints are the same ones from the start who complain about these things at the same time because everyone on lohud is the same person complaining about the same ones.

    /GB’d
    /mick’d
    /noideawhatijustwrote

  80. Erin May 4th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    LGY-I got a headache reading that. ;)

  81. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Blake-

    I agree. That’s the secret.

    Can’t keep ‘em all.

    The failure rate, even for those with great promise, is high.

    Still. Guys like the ones mentioned above would seem to have great
    potential.

    I hope they reach it, and that it can be in Pinstripes.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    blake May 4th, 2011 at 10:33 am
    The chances that Betances becomes as good of a major league starter as John Danks is now aren’t as good as a lot of folks want to believe. He’s got the potential to be a stud but that’s potential and he may never put it all together at all……if you can get Danks and keep your best 2 prospects then I think you do it…..JMO
    ///

    That would be true of any prospect. Betances isn’t in single-A, he’s very close to the majors. Your definition of who the “two best prospects” is quite debatable. Both Cashman & Contreras consider Betances the best arm in the system, for instance, so you’re defining terms of your own making, which you are entitled to, but describing them as a slam dunk as a cut above Betances isn’t necessarily reality or even sincere.

    I put the two headed monster Banuelos-Betances on the same level, and Montero up there with them. Holy Trinity. Sanchez I wouldn’t trade either, but beause he’s further away, I’d put him in the next level.

  83. pat May 4th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    “Long on Jeter: “We’ve got to start driving the ball””

    A player publicly says he’s abandoned what I’ve suggested to make him better and I go “he’s” on his own because “we” aren’t in it together anymore. :wink:

    What’s the quote, insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

  84. upstate kate May 4th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Whoa…I think I need some bacon to understand that!

  85. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    blake May 4th, 2011 at 10:38 am
    Trading prospects is all about trading the right ones and keeping the right ones….and the Yanks have been fairly good at evaluating that.

    ///
    they were prepared to trade Robinson Cano and were turned down. That would not have been an instance of a good evaluation. Would have been catastrophically bad.

  86. blake May 4th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Danks is only 3 years older than Betances….and has had 3 straight sub 4 ERA, sub 1.3 WHIP , 32+ start seasons….and he’s left handed and has done this in the American league.

  87. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Erin – Why couldn’t they show a picture of his beautiful smiling face instead? He looks kinda confused in that one..

    Ps – Whenever Robbie smiles an angel gets their wings. Fact.

  88. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Kate-

    That’s LGY’s version of a “mobius loop”.

    :)

  89. bruceb May 4th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    If Aaaron Rowand can still get a hit for the Giants while he’s taking a dump at the plate, then there’s still hope for Derek Jeter. At least his stance looks okay, even if he can’t hit a cow’s ass with a banjo.

  90. yankeefeminista May 4th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    I believe Cash considers both Banuelos and Betances essentially untouchables and with good reason. Montero is the one who Cash seems to be extraordinarily cavalier about. However, we shall see.

    Also looks like another nasty night for Betances to pitch in. I am thinking they give him 4 innings tops.

  91. LGY May 4th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Prufrock,

    What do you think the chances are that Betances is pitching at the level that Danks is within the next three years?

  92. Erin May 4th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Shame-I don’t know if you saw the link ty posted yesterday afternoon (the one where it looked someone had just drilled him in the back), but I’ll take the picture that’s on the cover of Sporting News any day of the week.

    Love your PS by the way. :)

  93. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Blake-

    I feel as you do. Danks is very, very good.

    Not Felix or Kershaw good but not that far off.

    Maybe we won’t need anyone and we can hang onto all our guys for a while longer.

    That would be ideal.

    :)

  94. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    “Danks is only 3 years older than Betances….and has had 3 straight sub 4 ERA, sub 1.3 WHIP , 32+ start seasons….and he’s left handed and has done this in the American league.”….Central. ;) I know I’m being nit-picky but I’m always weary of a guys numbers outside the AL East. I can’t help it.

  95. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    I know I’m being nit-picky but I’m always weary of a guys numbers outside the AL East. I can’t help it.

    Betances doesn’t pitch in the AL East either :)

  96. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Just to clarify – I find myself thinking the same about Felix. I know these guys are good, no doubt about it.. but its just something I always consider.

  97. 4 NYY May 4th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Is our pitching the problem right now ?

    What about team batting avg ? Pretty bad ! Not hitting with RISP !

    Homers yes, but MUST improve team avg.

  98. mick May 4th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Danks is only 3 years older than Betances….and has had 3 straight sub 4 ERA, sub 1.3 WHIP , 32+ start seasons….and he’s left handed and has done this in the American league.
    =====================================
    Then why would they want Betances, an unknown quantity?

  99. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Jerkface – Very true.

  100. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Shame-

    Felix could pitch on Venus and be good.

    Superstar.

    :)

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    yankeefeminista May 4th, 2011 at 10:50 am
    I believe Cash considers both Banuelos and Betances essentially untouchables and with good reason. Montero is the one who Cash seems to be extraordinarily cavalier about. However, we shall see.

    Also looks like another nasty night for Betances to pitch in. I am thinking they give him 4 innings tops.
    ///

    Work around the Big Three (plus Sanchez) & that way you limit hurting your future. With the team they field, surely they can upgrade without blowing up the system.

  102. blake May 4th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    J. Alfred,

    I understand what you’re saying…..and I would never want to trade someone with Betances upside away unless the return was very good. However, you do put a premium value on starters who have figured things out in the big leagues at an early age and then sustained it for 3+ years……

  103. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Then why would they want Betances, an unknown quantity?

    Because the alternative is getting nothing for him. Why is anyone traded?

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:53 am
    Shame-

    Felix could pitch on Venus and be good.

    Superstar.
    ///

    Towers has compared Betances with Felix. Whaddya say to that, buddy ;)?

  105. LGY May 4th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    We should definitely keep Betances.

    He grew up in New York, so he should be able to handle the arctic temperatures at Yankee Stadium in April.

    Trade Banuelos.

  106. yankeefeminista May 4th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:50 am
    Blake-

    I feel as you do. Danks is very, very good.

    Not Felix or Kershaw good but not that far off.

    Maybe we won’t need anyone and we can hang onto all our guys for a while longer.

    That would be ideal.
    ______
    QFT, MTU. Colon just has to keep pitching well. It is on him to save the farm. ;)

  107. blake May 4th, 2011 at 10:55 am

    Im pretty sure the AL central is better than AA. :)

  108. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    What’s the gravitation situation on Venus? Think that might add more movement to a fastball..?

  109. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 10:51 am
    I know I’m being nit-picky but I’m always weary of a guys numbers outside the AL East. I can’t help it.

    Betances doesn’t pitch in the AL East either
    ///

    No, he doesn’t, not yet. But one day, he could own it :D.

  110. mick May 4th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    If Danks is that good, they will want more than just Betances prolly Banuelos/Montero.

  111. blake May 4th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Mick,

    They would want him because he has tons of upside and they may not be able to lock Danks up….therefore risking losing him for nothing.

  112. Erin May 4th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    JackCurryYES Girardi never throws players under the bus so his disgust with Posada’s baserunning gaffe last night was as close as he’ll get to that

  113. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Look – If we find ourselves in need of a starting pitcher I think everything is on the table. But right now… we don’t. Oddly enough its been our offense that isn’t clicking, which happens. Before you know it, we’ll be scoring 10 runs a game and giving up 11 per. So goes baseball..

  114. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    JAP-

    I’d love to see it.

    That’s what I’d say.

    But I very much doubt it.

    Felix was another prodigy.

    Arguably the best young Pitcher in baseball right now.

    :)

  115. LGY May 4th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Banuelos is at serious risk for frostbite if he pitches for the Yankees.

    I am not willing to take that risk. Are you???

  116. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    blake May 4th, 2011 at 10:55 am
    Im pretty sure the AL central is better than AA.
    ////

    Betances & Banuelos really need a more competitive league to pitch in. Need to face some hitters that can get the ball out of the infield.

  117. stuart a May 4th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    jeter stinks plain and simple. 2 extra base hits in 25 games…. really that is hard to do………..

    this is not a minor problem this is a HUGE problem, move him down to 9th in hte order. If that hurts his feelings I can care less……………Captain and team guy do what is best for the teammmmmmmmmmmmmmm..

    3.5 more years of this train wrefck, give me a break…………

  118. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    I applaud your blind optimism for prospects, J. Alfred, it never wavers.

  119. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    MTU May 4th, 2011 at 10:58 am
    JAP-

    I’d love to see it.

    That’s what I’d say.

    But I very much doubt it.

    Felix was another prodigy.

    Arguably the best young Pitcher in baseball right now.
    ///

    yea he’s ridiculous, even when he’s “off.” His changeup is laughable.

  120. stuart a May 4th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    jorge at 39 does not know how to run the bases. his thought process explains wat a blockhead he is. same for Cano.. they have a low baseball IQ and succeed because of skill not smarts…………….

    giving up baserunners for nothing kills a team.

    can gardner steal a base early in the count 1 of these days!!!!!!!!he needs to work on his base stealing desion making………

  121. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 10:58 am
    I applaud your blind optimism for prospects, J. Alfred, it never wavers.
    ///

    nice try :D

  122. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 11:00 am

    JAP-

    To put it even more succintly.

    Felix is to pitching what the god-particle is to Physics.

    At least for now.

    :)

  123. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:01 am

    If Danks is that good, they will want more than just Betances prolly Banuelos/Montero.

    Danks isn’t Cliff Lee or King Felix. The White Sox have not been able to lock him into an extension like Floyd, and he will be a FA after next year. He doesn’t pitch 2 ERAs, he has had 3.7 ERAs the last 2 seasons and is sporting a 3.9 right now. He is a good, dependable left handed starter that has average peripherals.

  124. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Nice try? Nothing insidious about it.

  125. fiveironfromfenway May 4th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Spencer – You are right. Even last night, this offense should score at least four off of Penny and relievers.
    BTW – someone tell Arod it is OK to hit the ball. Beyond everyone else the last couple of weeks your cleanup hitter cannot make contact with the ball. That is a problem.

  126. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Erin – I did see that :( Never like seeing Robbie sad. Once, I forget during what game last season, but someone made an error on the other team running the bases or something and Robbie was at second giggling like a school girl into his glove. Ahhh… le sighhhh…

  127. 4 NYY May 4th, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Where is our next round of hitters gonna come from ? Guys like Po, Jete, A-Rod ( that “stuff” catches up with you ) Seems that we only have one real candidate right now that everyone agrees should be an outstanding hitter and that’s Montero. Any others are a few years away, at least.

    Do we trade out top pitchers for hitters? To gain what ? Pitching is still the name of the game.

    Saying that, out hitting is not nearly enough, if it continues like this.

  128. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Felix is what you hope in your wet dreams that every young pitcher you have turns into.

    He’s that good. Think Halladay with a little more of everything stuffwise.

    And for a little guy, who was largely overlooked for a long time in the draft, Lincecum is pretty good too.

    ;)

  129. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Saying that, out hitting is not nearly enough, if it continues like this.

    Leading the league in runs per game.

  130. bruceb May 4th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    stuart a May 4th, 2011 at 10:58 am
    jeter stinks plain and simple. 2 extra base hits in 25 games…. really that is hard to do………..

    this is not a minor problem this is a HUGE problem, move him down to 9th in hte order. If that hurts his feelings I can care less……………Captain and team guy do what is best for the teammmmmmmmmmmmmmm..

    3.5 more years of this train wrefck, give me a break…………

    I think a lot of fans, particularly those who missed out on his glory days, feel this way. How can a true leader continue to hurt his team in this way?

  131. David in Cal May 4th, 2011 at 11:07 am

    It’s not surprising that changing Jeter’s approach made him a worse hitter. One never knows whether change will be good or bad. So, going back to his old style could be an improvement over where he was the first month of 2011.

    However, chances are that going back to the old style will only bring him back to the mediocre hitter he was in the second half of 2010. In fact, since he’s a year older, even that may be an optimistic projection.

  132. blake May 4th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    Jerkface,

    Correct….and guys like that are extremely valuable on a good team like the Yankees.

  133. 4 NYY May 4th, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Yanks would have to give up more than anyone else to attain a real stud like Johnson or Felix.

    Is it really worth it ? If that were the only thing we needed to get to the W.S., maybe.

  134. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Think of Danks like left handed Chien Ming Wang. He isn’t going to be the best pitcher in baseball but if you put him on the Yankees he might win 20 games.

  135. mick May 4th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    If Reyes was available at the deadline, would the Yanks bite?
    Even a Tulo, and I know he is not available, what would the Yanks do?
    Would Jeter stand in the way of a deal?

  136. Erin May 4th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    Shame-I remember that!!

    I always loved when he’d laugh at something Melky did also-those two were so cute :)

  137. 4 NYY May 4th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    # Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Saying that, out hitting is not nearly enough, if it continues like this.

    Leading the league in runs per game.
    =======================================

    Do you think that will really continue with the team avg. being where it is? Will the homers continue at this rate ? Don’t think so !

  138. Ys Guy May 4th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    The Yankees radio broadcasts include a sponsor for the National Anthem (which they don’t actually play) called the ‘Salute to America’ sponsor. This amounts to nothing more than a commercial sponsorship of the National Anthem, a practice which is despicable and also I believe, against FCC rules.
    I ask that anyone who agrees that this sponsorship is inappropriate to please contact the Yankees or WCBS and ask them to stop this sponsorship.

  139. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2011 at 11:11 am

    blake May 4th, 2011 at 10:53 am
    J. Alfred,

    I understand what you’re saying…..and I would never want to trade someone with Betances upside away unless the return was very good. However, you do put a premium value on starters who have figured things out in the big leagues at an early age and then sustained it for 3+ years……

    ///
    yea I get what you’re saying too, but what becomes apparent through repeated starts is that Betances should be made an exception of, & that’s because he’s

    1). Close to majors
    2). Unusual for a pitcher of his size in terms of throwing easy & repeating
    3). Less likely to suffer injury because of No. 2
    4). Has lethal combo of enough command & devastating stuff to dominate
    5). Already has starter arsenal since his changeup is already so effective
    6). Is a massive, tall pitcher who throws downhill
    7). If all goes well, meaning no injuries, he could be dominant

    Why not look elsewhere in the system to make a trade instead of risking trading a potential beast ace? IMO you & a few others have too much of an itchy trigger finger when it comes to Betances.

  140. West Coast Yankee Fan May 4th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    It shouldn’t be a revelation to anyone that older/aging players don’t usually perform as well as younger players in or near their prime. (stat heads – spare me the predictable outliers and Mo). A player is in his prime on average at age 27-29 or thereabouts, give or take. Jeter is 37 and Posada 40 this season. A-Rod is 36 (slower to recover from minor injuries in his case). To expect miracles or a rediscovered fountain of youth defies credulity.

  141. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    MTU May 4th, 2011 at 11:05 am
    Felix is what you hope in your wet dreams that every young pitcher you have turns into.

    He’s that good. Think Halladay with a little more of everything stuffwise.

    And for a little guy, who was largely overlooked for a long time in the draft, Lincecum is pretty good too.
    ///

    All 3 once were prospects ;).

  142. ac1 May 4th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    If Reyes was available at the deadline, would the Yanks bite?
    Even a Tulo, and I know he is not available, what would the Yanks do?
    Would Jeter stand in the way of a deal?

    ___

    They would never do that.
    Now, if Jeter doesnt improve maybe he retires in the offseason and then they go get Reyes.

    Also doubtful

    At the very least, how about he offers to move down in the lineup??? Would be a start.

  143. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    “Leading the league in runs per game.”

    Yes, if the Yanks finish with 276 HRs their offense will be fine.

  144. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Do you think that will really continue with the team avg. being where it is? Will the homers continue at this rate ? Don’t think so !

    Ah so the yankees will stop hitting HRs, and thus stop hitting at all and then they won’t score runs anymore?

  145. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Yes, if the Yanks finish with 276 HRs their offense will be fine.

    They were leading in runs per game when they were on pace for 330 HRs as well.

  146. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    In all likelihood Felix will never be a Yankee, nor will Kershaw, nor Johnson but it can’t hurt to dream of acquiring another ace to go with CC.

    And I agree with those of you who say we do not need anyone at the moment but let’s check back at the ASB .

    Maybe Montero, Betances and/or Banuelos will become our stars. I’m all for it.

    That would be even sweeter.

    :)

  147. Ys Guy May 4th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Ys Guy May 4th, 2011 at 11:11 am
    The Yankees radio broadcasts include a sponsor for the National Anthem (which they don’t actually play) called the ‘Salute to America’ sponsor. This amounts to nothing more than a commercial sponsorship of the National Anthem, a practice which is despicable and also I believe, against FCC rules.
    I ask that anyone who agrees that this sponsorship is inappropriate to please contact the Yankees or WCBS and ask them to stop this sponsorship.

    sorry i left the contact people out

    tim scheld 212 975-1782 at the radio network or
    media@yankees.com fro the team

    thanks

  148. mick May 4th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Tex, Cano, Arod, Martin and Granderson are the keys to this team. One of them must be able to carry the team at any given time as they are prone to slumps. Cano might be the MVP as he is less prone to slumps than the others but he doesn’t seem to be the hitter he was last year as he is thinking long ball.

  149. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    “They were leading in runs per game when they were on pace for 330 HRs as well.”

    Of course they were. So what?

  150. 4 NYY May 4th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    3.5 more years of this train wrefck, give me a break…………

    I think a lot of fans, particularly those who missed out on his glory days, feel this way. How can a true leader continue to hurt his team in this way?
    =====================================

    He’s doing it on purpose, “don’t ya’ know?”

  151. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    3). Less likely to suffer injury because of No. 2
    6). Is a massive, tall pitcher who throws downhill
    7). If all goes well, meaning no injuries, he could be dominant

    He has already been injured and tall people are more easily injured especially in the knee area because they are too big for this world.

  152. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2011 at 11:19 am

    MTU May 4th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    In all likelihood Felix will never be a Yankee, nor will Kershaw, nor Johnson but it can’t hurt to dream of acquiring another ace to go with CC.

    ———————-

    Does Colon count?! I love my Baby Huey :D

  153. CountryClub May 4th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    The day that Jeter walks into Girardi’s office and says I think you should move me down in the order is the day that he’s 100% shot as a player. As a fan, you never want any player on the team to admit defeat. The stubborness in their own ability is what allowed them to get to where they are to begin with.

    When the time comes for him to get moved down it should come from Cashman and Girardi. Not Jeter himself.

  154. ac1 May 4th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Most likely the reasonable targets for Cashman will be: Danks, Liriano, Myers (whether those are right or not).

    I just dont see an Ace 2 to go with CC out there on the market.

  155. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Of course they were. So what?

    Heh, well.. since you are implying something about their HR rate, they managed to drop ‘off pace’ by 60 HRs and still lead the league in runs per game, so obviously they are doing something to score runs.

    They lead the league in walk rate and slugging and are top half in average. This ‘all they do is hit HR’ implication is bollocks because as the HR rate goes down they are going to make up for it with other hits.

  156. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    JAP-

    Your unbridled optimism is wonderful but very few guys become
    successful ML pitchers much less the likes of ones we were just talking about.

    They are few and far between. A rarity.

    As talented as our young guys appear to be they have a long way to go to even begin to approach those lofty heights.

    Is it fun to root for them ? To hope ? Sure.

    Just don’t expect them to turn into those 3.

    I’d settle for a lot less.

    :)

  157. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Shame-

    Colon is this year’s Aaron Small. Only with stuff.

    A hero out of nowhere. I hope he keeps it up.

    It’s a good story.

    :)

  158. 4 NYY May 4th, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Ah so the yankees will stop hitting HRs, and thus stop hitting at all and then they won’t score runs anymore?
    ============================================

    Didn’t say that, did I? The “pace” will Not sustain itself. And if the team avg. doesn’t improve, they’re in trouble.

    Your name should be “twister.”

  159. mick May 4th, 2011 at 11:25 am

    When the time comes for him to get moved down it should come from Cashman and Girardi. Not Jeter himself.
    ===============
    This could never happen.
    If they can get a major upgrade over Jeter at SS then he would have to understand and move to LF or RF in the offseason/ST period.
    The hitting problem would still be there and a platoon might be the next step.
    Maybe player/Mgr is the future.

  160. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    “They lead the league in walk rate and slugging and are top half in average. This ‘all they do is hit HR’ implication is bollocks because as the HR rate goes down they are going to make up for it with other hits.”

    I’d say that maybe they will and maybe they won’t. An unsustainable HR rate can mask a lot of flaws.

    A lot depends on Jeter, Posada and Gardner as well as Granderson hitting for average as well as power.

  161. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    Didn’t say that, did I? The “pace” will Not sustain itself. And if the team avg. doesn’t improve, they’re in trouble.

    Your hand wringing over the HR issue implies you think their current hitting will continue…simply without HRs. The Yankees will hit more than 200 HRs this year, so keep in mind they will still score runs via HR. Do you think they won’t hit otherwise? If No, why worry about it?

  162. ac1 May 4th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    Jeter will not be a manager.
    I can see him buying into the Yankees at some point, or trying to buy the Rays.

  163. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2011 at 11:27 am

    He has already been injured and tall people are more easily injured especially in the knee area because they are too big for this world.
    ///

    He’s compact for a man who stands 6-8 & he isn’t a rail, he’s got a lot of mass to support his height. He could get injured, sure, but that does not mean that he will. I’m not offering guarantees that he won’t get hurt. I’m saying I would not trade this guy. Trade someone else. We have other chips besides these four guys.

  164. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Wave,

    Do you think the Yankees will not lead the league in runs scored again? And if so, tell me why the team that will unseat them will do so. If you watched any other offense day in and day out, you’d be crying for the Yankees offense after a month.

  165. MTU May 4th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    The dogs are callin’.

    Later.

  166. Ys Guy May 4th, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
    The guess here is that Yankees would love it if Derek Jeter, as captain, went to Girardi and told him he would happy anywhere in the lineup.
    Jeter volunteering to be moved would take the onus off Girardi, who is undoubtedly sensitive to Jeter’s feelings in this situation

  167. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    JF,

    Although the Yanks’ pitching is doing OK right now, I suspect it will hit a rough patch. In which case the Yanks need to score a lot of runs.

    But they’ll score enough to make the playoffs (probably – the Rays seem to be back in the mix and can’t be ignored). However, once in the post-season the HRs tend to dry up.

  168. J. Alfred Prufrock May 4th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    MTU, no one has a crystal ball. I base my view on having seen both of these kids pitch a lot, not on unbridled optimism because they’re huggable/kissable prospects.

    I have no doubt if you lived 20 minutes from Trenton you’d avail yourself of the chance to see them,too. I also think you, & Blake in particular, would be singing a different tune if y’all had Betances tossing in your backyard. I hope Cashman resists trading any of the Big Four.

    yes it would be a joy to see the two kids in the rotation & montero behind the plate in future seasons.

    & now…about that God particle….

  169. upstate kate May 4th, 2011 at 11:35 am

    where is this major upgrade for Jeter supposed to come from? Looking at the dark hole that SS has been for the red sox for years would suggest to me that good SS are not that easy to find.

  170. 4 NYY May 4th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Your hand wringing over the HR issue implies you think their current hitting will continue…simply without HRs. The Yankees will hit more than 200 HRs this year, so keep in mind they will still score runs via HR. Do you think they won’t hit otherwise? If No, why worry about it?

    =========================================

    “Twister”, listen one more time. I always expect Yanks to be “up there” with homers, but they have to get the team avg. up also to score more when they don’t hit homers. Do you honestly think a .250 avg is gonna work ? Not without some very outstanding pitching all yr. long. IMO

    “Are you smarter than a 3rd. grader” ?

  171. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    However, once in the post-season the HRs tend to dry up.

    Why do you think this? Did you watch the postseason last year? How were the big pitchers defeated? Was Halladay beat by an infield single or 2 big Ross Bombs? Cliff Lee in the WS got got by what, some HRs right? What was the big blow in ALCS GM1 that the Yankees had to come back from, a 3 run shot? How did AJ Burnett lose his game? Improbable Molina HR I take it?

    This phantom idea of HRs not flying in the postseason is simply unfounded. Good pitchers are good pitchers and I’d bet more money on a good pitcher making 1 mistake that a hitter deposits in the seat than making 5 consecutive mistakes required to bat in the same number of runs on singles.

  172. mick May 4th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Jeter will not be a manager.
    ==================
    Jeter as player/mgr if they fire Girardi .
    He could then step down gracefully as Pete Rose did.

  173. CountryClub May 4th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Ys Guy May 4th, 2011 at 11:31 am
    Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
    The guess here is that Yankees would love it if Derek Jeter, as captain, went to Girardi and told him he would happy anywhere in the lineup.
    Jeter volunteering to be moved would take the onus off Girardi, who is undoubtedly sensitive to Jeter’s feelings in this situation

    ——–

    Buster is clearly a guy that never played competitive sports in his life. Players dont think that way. it would be admitting defeat. It’s never happening.

  174. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Derek Jeter would never ask/suggest to be moved down in the order. I can already hear his response to questions about this… “Thats not my decision to make, thats up to Joe and the coaching staff. I’ll bat wherever they ask me to, it makes no difference to me, its you guys [the media/fans] that care about that stuff.”

  175. austinmac May 4th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Jeter has struggled. Will he continue? Time will tell, but I hope we all hope not. If he does, then the issue will be whether he will be the SS not year and the year after. He, like all players, must ultimately produce.

    I am concerned for the offense since they have had many low hit games. It is difficult to continue to produce runs when only one regular is hitting over .290. That is why the team has RISP issues.

  176. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    “Twister”, listen one more time. I always expect Yanks to be “up there” with homers, but they have to get the team avg. up also to score more when they don’t hit homers. Do you honestly think a .250 avg is gonna work ? Not without some very outstanding pitching all yr. long. IMO

    “Are you smarter than a 3rd. grader” ?

    Are you? Do you think the Yankees are going to lead the league in runs scored? If not, why? if not, who will? The Yankees hit .267 last year as a team and led the league in runs scored. They aren’t far from that pace now. Only 4 teams hit for a higher average right now in the AL. And none walk as much as the yankees do or hit for as much power.

  177. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Derek Jeter would never ask/suggest to be moved down in the order. I can already hear his response to questions about this… “Thats not my decision to make, thats up to Joe and the coaching staff. I’ll bat wherever they ask me to, it makes no difference to me, its you guys [the media/fans] that care about that stuff.”

    He would say this while secretly caring about it. Jeter’s duplicitous 2-face routine is stale.

  178. I Like Inge May 4th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    CountryClub May 4th, 2011 at 11:37 am
    Ys Guy May 4th, 2011 at 11:31 am
    Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
    The guess here is that Yankees would love it if Derek Jeter, as captain, went to Girardi and told him he would happy anywhere in the lineup.
    Jeter volunteering to be moved would take the onus off Girardi, who is undoubtedly sensitive to Jeter’s feelings in this situation

    ——–

    Buster is clearly a guy that never played competitive sports in his life. Players dont think that way. it would be admitting defeat. It’s never happening.

    ——-

    Totally Agree. In Jeter’s mind. He’s got 3 hits in his last two games and he’s going to keep on working and doing his part to try to win games. Olney probably dropped himself from 8th to 10th on his softball team and thinks real players would do the same.

  179. pat May 4th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Buster is nuts. Derek isn’t going to ask for a change. Not moping or whining when one happens is the best everyone should expect.

  180. LGY May 4th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    2). Unusual for a pitcher of his size in terms of throwing easy & repeating
    3). Less likely to suffer injury because of No. 2

    ————–

    “Like always with Dellin, we’ve got to continue to work on his delivery” -Nardi Contreras

    If injury is so unlikely then why has Dellin been injured so much?

  181. Erin May 4th, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I think Buster needs to keep dreaming. :roll:

  182. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Is Buster saying Derek would do that? No. He is saying the Yankees would love it if he did though. Some of your guys jock-sperging out is hilarious. BUSTER NEVER THREW A BASEBALL IN HIS LIFE!! WRESTLING TEAM!!!

  183. Erin May 4th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    New Post: A few short minor league notes

    :arrow:

  184. Wave Your Hat May 4th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Suit yourself, JF.

  185. austinmac May 4th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    LGY,

    Why would the White Sox trade Danks for Hughes when he is on the DL with an ERA over 13.00?

    Prospects are just that. It is wrong to believe Banuelos or Betances are destined for greatness. We can certainly hope but relying on that is foolish. If Danks or another top 20-25 pitchers are available, it must be considered. The odds are against our prospects achieving that level.

    To consider how far AA is from the majors, check out Igawa’s stats in AA.

  186. Shame Spencer May 4th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    So you’d rather he b*tch and moan about it publicly, Jerkface? I’m confused.. of course he cares his skill set is deteriorating. Wouldn’t anyone in his position?

  187. LGY May 4th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Why would the White Sox trade Danks for Hughes when he is on the DL with an ERA over 13.00?

    ———–

    Obviously Hughes would have to come back healthy and make a few starts to make the trade.

    The benefit to the White Sox is that Hughes is way cheaper and has an extra year of team control.

  188. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    So you’d rather he b*tch and moan about it publicly, Jerkface? I’m confused.. of course he cares his skill set is deteriorating. Wouldn’t anyone in his position?

    I would rather Jeter tell the truth that his batting position does matter to him, and that he would be annoyed if he got moved down.

    “I’ll bat wherever they ask me to, it makes no difference to me, its you guys [the media/fans] that care about that stuff.”

    Jeter would definitely say something like this and it would not be true, and then if he did get moved down because ‘well you said you didn’t care!’ he’d be outwardly annoyed by it even if he didnt publicly acknowledge it

  189. 4 NYY May 4th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Are you? Do you think the Yankees are going to lead the league in runs scored? If not, why? if not, who will? The Yankees hit .267 last year as a team and led the league in runs scored. They aren’t far from that pace now. Only 4 teams hit for a higher average right now in the AL. And none walk as much as the yankees do or hit for as much power.

    ===========================
    Touch a nerve “know it all” ?

    Texas and Boston have a shot at doing so, IMO

  190. 4 NYY May 4th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Jeter would definitely say something like this and it would not be true, and then if he did get moved down because ‘well you said you didn’t care!’ he’d be outwardly annoyed by it even if he didnt publicly acknowledge it

    =================================

    How in the world did you get inside Jeter’s head ? Amazing !

  191. austinmac May 4th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    LGY,

    If Hughes comes back and throws 93-94, then I doubt the Yankees would trade him. They ned, in my opinion which carries absolutely no weight, to use their minor league pitching depth to acquire a top 20-25 starter.

    To others who suggest Myers, I doubt he is better than our 4th and 5th starters. He may be healthier in a month or two, but his 88 mph fastball doesn’t excite me.

  192. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Texas and Boston have a shot at doing so, IMO

    Boston is hitting .248, Texas .264

    omg what are they going to do?!?!?

  193. austinmac May 4th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Shame,

    I think the lower gravity on Venus would detrimentally affect sinkerballers the most. Felix would be okay. Now, trade for him. :)

  194. 4 NYY May 4th, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    # Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Texas and Boston have a shot at doing so, IMO

    Boston is hitting .248, Texas .264

    omg what are they going to do?!?!?

    ==========================
    A”wee” bit early, don’t ya’ think ?

    Till later, “sweetness.” Enjoy !

  195. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    “Jeter would definitely say something like this and it would not be true, and then if he did get moved down because ‘well you said you didn’t care!’ he’d be outwardly annoyed by it even if he didnt publicly acknowledge it”

    Can you prove how this would affect his performance using a statistical analysis? I’m still not sure why what he admits or doesn’t admit matters re: his performance. Who cares? I doubt if he was batting 6th or 7th it would somehow result in his level of play dropping further because he’d be pouting.

    Now if its just a matter of you disliking Jeter’s tactics of protecting his image, thats another issue entirely and obviously you have the right to your own opinion on that.

    I didn’t say it would affect his performance. Buster Olney is saying that the Yankees would love it if Jeter himself suggested to be moved, because then the media would have less to latch onto. If the Yankees move jeter, then its a bigger deal. Your imagined response to the question is exactly how I think Jeter would react, despite the fact that he clearly does care where he bats. He has said he wants to bat in the 1st inning, as a yankee he has hit in the 3 spots for his entire career pretty much. I think it is duplicitous for Jeter to publicly say he would be fine with a move we all know he would not be fine with.

    Its like Ozzie Guillen publicly daring the white sox to fire him for the teams problems. Jeter cannot say something like ‘I’m fine hitting wherever’, because if the Yankees DID move him, he would not be fine with it. And it’d be a whole thing.

    It is easier for Jeter to move himself than for the Yankees to move him.

  196. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    A”wee” bit early, don’t ya’ think ?

    Same goes for the Yankees, then, eh?

  197. austinmac May 4th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Jerkface,

    I didn’t know it took five hits or “mistakes” to create one run. Is Posada on the bases?

  198. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    I didn’t know it took five hits or “mistakes” to create one run. Is Posada on the bases?

    Just a little hyperbole to prove a point. The idea that an ace is going to be so good as to not walk/give up HR but not good enough to shut down other forms of offense is in itself offensive. The less power you’re putting in an inning the harder it likely is to score against an ace.

  199. 4 NYY May 4th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    # Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    A”wee” bit early, don’t ya’ think ?

    Same goes for the Yankees, then, eh?

    ===============================

    Goes for all of them “sweetness.”

    Again, later. Enjoy !

  200. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    I’ll look forward to you not whining about the offense then

  201. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Also very funny that you ask me if you ‘touched a nerve’, despite you immediately launching into a bunch of name calling and other silliness when your stupid view of the yankee offense was challenged with simple questioning to get to the root of your silly illogical statement.

    “funny”

  202. 4 NYY May 4th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    # Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    I’ll look forward to you not whining about the offense then

    ======================================

    And we’ll all look forward to your not continuing to think you know more the Yankee brass !

  203. 4 NYY May 4th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Also very funny that you ask me if you ‘touched a nerve’, despite you immediately launching into a bunch of name calling and other silliness when your stupid view of the yankee offense was challenged with simple questioning to get to the root of your silly illogical statement.

    “funny”
    ====================

    Let’s see, “stupid” “illogical” “silly.” Never thought a fan KNEW what was inside Jeter’s head, till now. LMAO

    Make sure you get the last word “sweetness. “

  204. Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Its ok to be upset, 4 NYY. Its not going to the last time I take you to task.

  205. 4 NYY May 4th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Ah, “sweetness” ! Can you multitask too ?

    Don’t whine about offense, now ! Especially Jeter ! LMAO

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