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Intangibles must be taken into account. Suppose Jeter struggles all year this year, but then gets a game winning double in a signifcant playoff game. Do we say that he got lucky given his trends, or that his experience made him clutch? It’s a fine line..
Mark Teixiera has the 4th highest OPS with RISP in the American League.
swisher just whiffed on a changeup in the dirt nothing new there.
jeter hit a weak grounder to the shortstop, same old same old.
one of the big guns whiffed with 2 men on and 1 out all is good in yankee land.
also aj or 1 of the bullpen guys walked a batter on 4 pitches…
jeter has not had a walkoff of any kind in the new stadium period.
he has had endless chances and come thru exactly zero times……….
the homer in novemebr against the diamaondbacks was over 10 years ago………………
Thank you all for answering my question about not using Joba last night. I was unaware he pitched 3 out of the last 4.
2 men down in the pen last night and Robertson blows the save. Talk about bad timing.
UGH!
The entire game was very frustrating.
I had a sick feeling Betemit was going to do some damage. The butt of jokes around the boards in the last couple yrs, Wilson just keeps on hittin.
“Intangibles must be taken into account. Suppose Jeter struggles all year this year, but then gets a game winning double in a signifcant playoff game. Do we say that he got lucky given his trends, or that his experience made him clutch? It’s a fine line..”
As long as the same goes for every player, because the more players underperform, the less likely it is that they will get to the playoffs.
More importantly:
Player A: .313 .384 .451 .835
Player B: .309 .377 .472 .850
Both Jeter. A is the regular season; B is the postseason.
So he’s not really clutch. He is what he has always been.
If he underperforms in the regular season, he will likely do so in the postseason.
LGY-
Your comment makes my point exactly. Tex has clearly struggled in many games this year, obvious by watching him. He also has really excelled in a few games and has put mutilple runs across the plate, especially early in the year. So is he having a good or bad season thus far? The answer is neither.
“2 men down in the pen last night”
So it was sheer genius to use Logan for one batter…
Great with the announcement of the makeup game with the O’s at Camden that adds another road game to the August schedule. Yikes 21 road 9 home that month.
Yankee bats really need to lay the hammer down on the Royals tonight and go into the Boston series on a roll.
They let one get away last night. 2.88 ERA for the starters over the last 22 starts? that # is staggering.
Yanks offense should never be the main problem for an extended period of time. Let’s get it done!
Rich…
But you have no way of knowing what he will do in this postseason. Your post is speculative. It’s not unheard of for a cold player to heat up in October, ala Pudge Rodriguez the year he played for the Rockies or even Berkman in the playoffs last year.
“the homer in novemebr against the diamaondbacks was over 10 years ago………………”
False it was 9.5 years ago.
Oh well at least its in Baltimore a quick trip and a second home park especially for our LHB.
BD (Boston Dave) May 12th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Yankee bats really need to lay the hammer down on the Royals tonight and go into the Boston series on a roll.
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It’s Yogi’s birthday, so that means they have to win, right??
Erin – thanks for the info, on last thread, about the makeup game in Baltimore.
About the jim baumbach tidbit – not surprised there’s no committment at this point, that’s not the yankees style, but I’d be really surprised if they don’t want Cash back.
Yanks offense should never be the main problem for an extended period of time.
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Certainly not against a soft KC starting staff.
stuart a May 12th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
jeter has not had a walkoff of any kind in the new stadium period.
he has had endless chances and come thru exactly zero times……….
the homer in novemebr against the diamaondbacks was over 10 years ago………………
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No it wasn’t.
“But you have no way of knowing what he will do in this postseason. Your post is speculative. It’s not unheard of for a cold player to heat up in October, ala Pudge Rodriguez the year he played for the Rockies or even Berkman in the playoffs last year.”
You have no way of knowing what anyone will do in the postseason, other than to look at past performance. When we do that, we see that Jeter has been the same player in both the regular and post season.
Sure, we can hope for many things, but hope is not a plan.
“Your comment makes my point exactly. Tex has clearly struggled in many games this year, obvious by watching him. He also has really excelled in a few games and has put mutilple runs across the plate, especially early in the year. So is he having a good or bad season thus far? The answer is neither.”
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He hasn’t clearly struggled in many games this year.
He had one really bad stretch early in the season in 4 straight games. In those 4 games he hit .000/.167/.000.
Before those 4 games, in the first 5 games of the season: 333/.455/1.000
Since those 4 games (Since April 13th): .294/.425/.565
I really don’t have a clue what Mark Teixiera people are watching this season. It can’t possibly be the same one I’m watching.
TheStraw – We say that he got a hit, and someone happened to be on base. Nothing more, nothing less.
Can his experience lead him to excel in a high pressure situation? Sure.
Are you going to try to predict human stress levels with after-the-fact stats? No.
Are you going to purposely bet against what is most statistically probable because a player might be “clutch”? No.
I don’t think your Teixeira point went where you wanted it to. Yes, he has both struggled and performed well in streaks. No “stats” guy would tell you anything without taking his entire season into consideration, and they would only come to a conclusion of a ho-hum start for Teixeira (by his standards it’s a good start, but thats not the concern). The “observers” might have a skewed view towards good or bad production based on their limited point of view.
my point is the jete rclutch mystique is nonsense. he is no more clutch then many players and as time has gone on appears to be less productive then he use to be.
even nick hit like crap with RISP Swisher has a couple of big hits over the last few years………….
Joe- you’re welcome
Don’t get me wrong…I think the criticisms of the offense AT THIS POINT are valid. I also think they will turn it around. And I don’t understand the cynicism that the pitching staff will bottom out. Even if they struggle more than they have, they can’t possibly be as bad as Vazquez, Burnett, and the second half Hughes were last year.
In my opinion, this team is better from top to bottom than the 2010 Yankees. And that team won 95 games.
Stuart-
Don’t even remind me of the swing and miss by Swisher to end the game.
I knew, I just knew the pitcher was not going to challenge him with a fastball. No way!
There was still a base open and Posada on deck. The pitcher could walk Swish and still live another batter.
How was Swish looking for the express, down the middle in that situation makes me wonder where his head is at.
tex is a very good player but i as expecting more avg from him. the guy was a 290 or so hitter before he got here and now all or nothing tex.
btw the rays are up 4 to zip. they claw and scratch and score runs game in and game out… they are the oppositve of the yankees offense…
YESNetwork Russell Martin shows us his mixed martial arts-influenced workout regimen during tonight’s Yanks pre-game show.
TheStraw – Very odd, you take the statistically accepted position by way of observation. I hope this lets you see there is no reason to draw a line in the sand against people using stats the proper way.
swisher does the same thing all the time. he never looks for anything but heat… if guys like us can see this how can he not ever make an adjustment.
remmeber the WS against philly, man he looked helpless in that series…………..
this should be his last yr. in NY…
Stuart-
I cannot argue with your comments.
Swisher would do himself some good by reading our critical comments and adjusting at the plate.
So, RBI are flukey because they rely on the person ahead of the hitter getting on base. On the other hand, a grand slam is preferable to singling with the bases loaded. A great team does both, but a team can still be successful but lacking in one of the categories.
And here comes the easier said than done crew!
stu – I’d be willing to bet that a significant majority of major league hitters are only looking for “heat”. You have to gear up for heat and then let slow breaking piches come to you. Not the other way around.
TheStraw – I see where you get your name from now.
what’s really really tired is the jeter anti-mystique folks. they’re out to make a mystique for themselves, see me smashing icons, aren’t i irreverent.
Jeter doesn’t have great slug in “clutch” situations but his career #s average/on base are pretty impressive
Jeter career wise 303 .397 runners in scoring position.
.316/.408 man on 3rd/ two outs.
.309/.410 two outs, RISP
.316/.396 high leverage
.291/.384 late & close
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ps
.309/.377/.472 career ps hitter
WS
.331/.384/.449
ALDS (14 of ‘em)
.545 slug in 322 abs
not so good ALCS
.258/.340
I’m not drawing a line in the sand, especially with well reasoned posters such as yourself. I just would like to see the kind of give and take we are having right now from other posters. I
In the end, only the results matter. How you get there is irrelevant.
I’m trying to stir discussion, not controversy. And for the record, I like Munson better than Reggie.
“what’s really really tired is the jeter anti-mystique folks. they’re out to make a mystique for themselves, see me smashing icons, aren’t i irreverent.”
Take a breath. When you post stats based on large sample sizes, as I did, you are merely pointing out the obvious. If the facts were otherwise, the stats would depict that, because, after all, stats are facts.
Prufrock – All those numbers you just posted show that he’s essentially the same player, regardless of situation.
The WS numbers are the only real outlier there, and it’s kind of common sense that if your leadoff hitter is performing well you will be more likely to proceed in the playoffs.
“Mark Teixiera has the 4th highest OPS with RISP in the American League.”
That would be due to a collection of first inning 3-run homeruns.
no, the anti-jeter stuff is semi-religion to some folks. this guy has been a great baseball player & great yankee. no one cares about this morose tribe of iconoclasts who think they’re in some temple to jeter doing a service to humanity by shining a light on the “truth” we all must confront about Derek Jeter. the energy expended on trying to dismantle Jeter is laughable. who needs to even discuss Jeter in these terms? The EXCESS is suspect, not the “facts” being presented.
The offense has been in a deep freeze since the beginning of the White Sox series on April 25th, but this is awesome.
In 52 PAs since April 25th Gardner is hitting .410/.540/.641
“That would be due to a collection of first inning 3-run homeruns”
They still count, right?
well i have work to do. i do want to say that on a day after a terrible loss, this blog was much more reasonable than i expected and much better than it has generally been of late. perhaps it is turning a corner, perhaps other things are factoring in, but after just about giving up on this forum, i do have to say that it seems like there has been more reasoned discussion and less argument. you folks have a nice day and…
Let’s Go Yankees!!!!!
biggest difference between this offense and the 2009 one is that the 2009 offense was relentless from the 7th inning on
My point is that it is possible to be critical of certain aspects of the team but still be confident in their ability to get it done based on history and past performance. It doesn’t make one “Pie in the sky” to feel that way. This is a team that has had various different rosters but has still made the playoffs 14 of the last 15 years. What other team can make that claim? And don’t talk to me about payroll, you still have to get it done on the field. (See Mets).
The Yankees will make the adjustments they need to make to compete for a title. That is all you can ask. Beyond that, it’s all luck.
Irreverent Discourse May 12th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Prufrock – All those numbers you just posted show that he’s essentially the same player, regardless of situation.
The WS numbers are the only real outlier there, and it’s kind of common sense that if your leadoff hitter is performing well you will be more likely to proceed in the playoffs.
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yea he’s consistently good. startling. I’m leaving the sandbox now. carry on.
I might be hard on Swisher because he swung and missed to end the game, but compare his at bat to Granderson’s at bat that tied the game.
Grandy was seeing nothing but fastballs. Here comes a curve and he stayed back, put on a good swing and hit a single to RF and tied the game.
Are you telling me he was only looking for heat in that at bat or was he mentally prepared to adjust for a breaking pitch?
Swisher should be able to recognize the situation, know the pitcher a little bit and get his head in the game at the plate.
“That would be due to a collection of first inning 3-run homeruns.”
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He has one first inning 3-run homerun this season???
Wow, Kendry Morales out for the season after electing to have additional surgery on his left ankle. Who knew jumping on top of home plate could cost you two years?!
“In 52 PAs since April 25th Gardner is hitting .410/.540/.641″
Which means you bunt him in a 2-0 and 3-1 count………and play for a tie.
That Morales injury is one of the most freak things ever…..he may never be the same.
These guys will be alright. Even when they play like absolute crap they’re a .500 team.
I’m just scared that by the team the offense clicks the starting pitching will begin to wane.
That is really unfortunate about Morales. the chinese have always maintained that joy can actually kill you. maybe they’re onto something.
good young player.
“Both Jeter. A is the regular season; B is the postseason.
So he’s not really clutch. He is what he has always been.”
rich in nj-
i think it is clutch when a player does the same in the post season as the regular season.
most platers do worse under pressure.
so i would say jeter is a clutch player for the very reason he does the same when he’s in pressure situations.
what would i call a player like mariano who exceeds his regular season stats in the post season ?
good question.
mariano is off the charts clutch.
a new word needs to be invented.
J. Alfred Prufrock
The religion is the pro-Jeter folks. I have no problem with that, except when they project their world view on to others, which you often do.
Here’s my view: Baseball is a business. Players don’t play for free. Jeter, for example, wanted every last dollar from the Yankees in this past contract despite coming off of a bad season and being on the other side of 35, which historically, has not been kind to SS.
That’s his right. But then it’s also fair to expect to him be viewed objectively.
So as long as he (or any other player) produces, fine.
If not, then expect scrutiny.
The sample size is too small, positive or negative, to reach any conclusions, but that won’t always be the case.
Jeers-
They still be better than Vasquez, Mosely and last year’s AJ.
blake – lol… it amazes me that you all didn’t hear me screaming about the bunts from the left field foul pole on TV last night. I got asked to leave or calm down
Warning Track Power May 12th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
I might be hard on Swisher because he swung and missed to end the game, but compare his at bat to Granderson’s at bat that tied the game
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Swish is what he is. Good on base, hits homers, not ever gonna be a meet the ball type guy. really improved as a defender, for which I give him credit.
Randy-
I call him a cyborg. It simply isn’t possible to be as consistently good as Mo has been. Yet here he is at 41. I’m going to bawl like a baby the day he hangs ‘em up.
it amazes me that you all didn’t hear me screaming
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since nearly everyone else was screaming at the same time your scream would have been drowned out.
Pena for manager.
randy
Here’s my view of clutch:
http://www.baseballprospectus......cleid=2656
In trying to get across the notion that no players possess a special ability to perform in particular situations, the usual line we use is that clutch performances exist, not clutch players. That’s wrong. The correct idea is that clutch performances exist, and clutch players exist: every last one of them.
btw, A-Rod:
Regular season: .302 .387 .570 .957
Playoffs: .290 .396 .528 .925
Not exactly as the critics want to believe.
Prufrock – All 2000 people that were still there :/ Melky turned around and laughed at me.
I’m going to bawl like a baby the day he hangs ‘em up.
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x2. I never leave a game early because there’s a countdown here whether we like it or not…
“The religion is the pro-Jeter folks.”
rich in nj-
i agree that sabermetrics is still in the voodoo science category and not quite ready to be upgraded to a religion, but it’s getting closer
Id,
I woke my wife up screaming at my ipad when I saw Gardner square around 2-0.
Irreverent Discourse May 12th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Prufrock – All 2000 people that were still there :/ Melky turned around and laughed at me.
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lol. I try not to get too worked up on game to game basis but it’s a helpless feeling, watching that s***.
“i agree that sabermetrics is still in the voodoo science category and not quite ready to be upgraded to a religion, but it’s getting closer ”
Like I said before, it’s all Billy Beane’s fault. (And Bill James.) How many titles have the A’s won thanks to all his vast knowledge?
Ledger_Yankees “Nothing to respond to.” Cashman via email, when asked for response on Hal Steinbrenner comments.
randy
I only wish I was smart enough to be an adherent.
I wonder if the issue this year is that the AL is starting to see more parity. Not one team has pulled away from the pack, and only the White Sox and Twins have been truly miserable…and the White Sox actually have a lot of talent.
Every year there’s about 4-5 teams you can expect the Yankees to clobber, but so far it’s been tough to find an “easy” opponent on the schedule. Maybe the Orioles and Twins. But the Indians, Jays, Mariners, Athletics, Royals, and other traditionally poor teams have been causing fits. Which means for the Yankees to go on a long hot streak, they really need to gel completely and not rely on the weakness of their opponents.
It’s funny, I just read Moneyball for the first time about a month ago. That book reads totally different now than I imaginine it did when it first came out.
Slightly unfair to judge “moneyball’s” effectiveness by the A’s… They were competitive with very little payroll or overall talent for a long time after the OBP craze started. How many other teams have taken that model and pushed it towards success with ample resources?
I clearly recall hearing Swish yelling to a group of fans while in Spring Training ” I gotta earn my money! ” I took it to be in reference to getting his option picked up but who really knows.
$1MM buyout vs. $10.25MM salary.
rich in nj-
good article.
not that i totally agree, bur well written.
mariano has a 0.71 era in 139 post season innings
mariano in the regular season is 2.22 era in 1167 innings.
mariano’s post season stats are off the charts good.
they are the best example i can think of clutch play.
What did Hal say?
It’s definitely clutch to perform as well in the postseason as you do in the regular season. The regular season includes games against Orioles pitching in May. That doesn’t compare to facing playoff pitching under the bright lights of October.
Also, Jeter has so many postseason games under his belt that it would be very difficult to maintain gaudy stats.
LGY – http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/.....wlaId4I1XP
Basically he said he thinks Jeter is pressing because of the 3k hits milestone… sigh.
I mean team wins, not pitcher’s personal records. And how are RBI a meaningless stat? They are what produce runs that win games.
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Straw,
Well obviously team wins matter but RBI’s are meaningless for evaluating a player’s ability or value because they are highly dependent on the other hitters in the lineup. You have to look at statistics that isolate a player’s value. Some basic ones would be OBP or SLG, some more complicated ones are wOBA or WRC.
This is the same reason why saves, pitcher wins and runs scored are worthless in evaluating talent / value.
LGY May 12th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
What did Hal say?
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jimbaumbach Hal Steinbrenner would not commit to wanting Cashman back next year but said they will base decision on more than just this year’s team.
oh, apparently hal said that too…
Hal said they’re not going to commit to Cashman until ther season ends. Decision won’t be based on this year only.
Nothing new there. Par for the course. No extension until current contract expires.
jimbaumbach Hal Steinbrenner would not commit to wanting Cashman back next year but said they will base decision on more than just this year’s team.
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Levine for GM?
It’s amazing how little the media understasnds about Yankee status quo.
Jeter’s basically played an entire season in October.
And his numbers are pretty much at his 162 game average. I’d say that’s impressive.
When Girardi is sleeping does he have dreams about bunting? He has to have more of a feel for the game and know what situations call for it and which do not. If the players don’t know how to bunt than either teach them or stop asking them to do it. But I am tired of seeing him bunt in every and any situation.
“Levine for GM?”
He already is.
Levine for GM?
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No chance.
Patrick-
So by that logic a bases loaded single is exactly equal to a grand slam as a predictor of a players skill.
Sorry, I have to disgaree–I’ll take Arod over Ichiro any day.
sorry should have said value, not skill.
“Over the course of a game, a month, a season or a career, there is virtually no evidence that any player or group of players possesses an ability to outperform his established level of ability in clutch situations, however defined.”
rich in nj-
i think if joe sheehan had researched those players who do worse under pressure he would have found a different story.
it really isn’t the doing better than normal; it’s the doing worse than normal than defines not being clutch.
so that’s what sheehan should have been looking for, the doing worse under pressure.
i’ve given this example before. anyone can walk across a ten foot 2×4 on the ground. put it fifty stories in the air between buildings and almost no one can do it.
to be able to do it that high up like it was at ground level would be performing under pressure and be clutch.
the person who could do this would be doing nothing that he couldn’t do in a non pressure situation.
when there are consequences , like death, it changes things even though the person is still doing the same thing, walking a ten ft 2×4.
# LGY May 12th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
jimbaumbach Hal Steinbrenner would not commit to wanting Cashman back next year but said they will base decision on more than just this year’s team.
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Levine for GM?
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I’m sure YNM is happy to hear that
russellmartin55 Let’s win the series tonight against KC.
The sooner Joe Girardi accepts that the Yankees are not a bunting team the better for all concerned. Gardner is a bad bunter. Jeter is a bad bunter. Most of them are bad bunters. Soria couldn’t find the strike zone last night; I think he threw six balls in a row. So what do we do? We give him his first out for free. OK, so Granderson eventually got a two-out hit to tie the game…but fat lot of good that did us. If you take the bunt out of the equation, at least the hitters have no doubt in their mind as to what they should do, rather than pass the baton to the next man up.
He already is.
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If Levine takes over as GM, does Trost assume the role of overruling the GM?
Rich in NJ May 12th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
“Intangibles must be taken into account. Suppose Jeter struggles all year this year, but then gets a game winning double in a signifcant playoff game. Do we say that he got lucky given his trends, or that his experience made him clutch? It’s a fine line..”
As long as the same goes for every player, because the more players underperform, the less likely it is that they will get to the playoffs.
More importantly:
Player A: .313 .384 .451 .835
Player B: .309 .377 .472 .850
Both Jeter. A is the regular season; B is the postseason.
So he’s not really clutch. He is what he has always been.
If he underperforms in the regular season, he will likely do so in the postseason.
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Considering that in the postseason you are facing the best teams with usually the better pitching staffs, and mostly facing the top 3 starters from each of those teams, I’d say his postseason stats are pretty darn good.
I hated the bunt in that situation with a 3-1 count. If Gardy walks, Jeter bunts and hopefully puts runners on second and third. Granderson likely gets walked and so you have Tex up with the bases loaded and nobody out. Still doesn’t guarantee we would win or even tie the game, but the odds would certainly have been better.
Bad decisions by Girardi have cost this team on a few occasions.
Straw,
The only stat that counts a single and a grand slam as the same thing is OBP and batting average.
That’s why when you evaluate a player you can’t just look at one of those.
sorry, bases load and one out in my scenario…
Patrick–
That was my entire point.
Not only that…Girardi is playing to tie the game knowing that he doesn’t have Soriano in the pen and is not prepared to use Joba. Brainless.
Yankees Let Fans Take Batting Practice at Stadium; Bring $1,500 and a Bat
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/.....a-bat.html
4 RBI Grand Slam.
1 or 2 RBI bases loaded single.
RBI are a good indicator of run production. Not meaningless.
Comparing a single and a grand slam isn’t the point. You should be talking about comparing a 1R-HR to a grand slam, which in a predictability sense is the same exact thing.
RBI is a good indicator of how good the 5 or 6 batters before you in the lineup are at getting on base. Nothing more can be concluded from it unless your RISP stats are completely out of line with the rest of your numbers.
Yankees Let Fans Take Place In Batting Lineup might be a better headline after last night’s abject performance.
i’ve given this example before. anyone can walk across a ten foot 2×4 on the ground. put it fifty stories in the air between buildings and almost no one can do it.
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True but MLB players are like professional 2X4 walkers.
Irreverent-
That overlooks the fact that the batter hitting the HR has no control over what the players before him do. So the important factor is really having high RBI guys follow high on base guys, not to have a whole team of high on base guys or a whole team of HR hitters. The yanks have had too few on base guys the last few years. But I wouldn’t want to see a whole team of them. These are the Bronx Bombers, not the Bronx smallballers.
Now that I’ve said something nice about Jeter, the criticism.
vs. Left 34 6 11 2 0 1 2 5 0 1 0 0 .324 .410 .471 .881
vs. Right 99 13 25 1 0 1 8 5 1 15 2 2 .253 .290 .293 .583
Not a big sample size, but it appears Jeter is continuing his pattern of hitting very well against lhp and very poor vs rhp.
If you wanted to do what was in the best interest of winning at this point, Gardner should leadoff vs rhp and Jeter 9th, and vice versa against lhp.
But we all know there’s as much chance of Jeter being put 9th in the lineup as us bedding a Victoria’s Secret model.
By the way the Yanks still have the seconmd best run differential in the league (+39), per RAB.
4 RBI Grand Slam.
1 or 2 RBI bases loaded single.
RBI are a good indicator of run production. Not meaningless.
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Well what if a guy hits 40 HR but the guys in front of him in the lineup aren’t very good and are rarely on base so he only has 40 RBI. Another guy hits 40 HR but has great hitters in front of him so he ends up with 120 RBI. Which player is better?
An extreme example but I think it illustrates the point. RBI’s are way too dependent on other players than the one who is assigned RBI’s.
SLG puts weights on different types of hits. However, those weights make no sense. A double is worth twice as much as a single, a triple 3x, a HR 4x.
wOBA is “weighted on base average” so each hit is weighted depending on what type of hit it is.
SEriously go to those two links I just posted.
clutch:http://www.illusiongenius.com/.....-cross.jpg
TheStraw – No you missed it. The point is that there is no such thing as a “high-RBI” guy. Only a guy that bats after high OBP players.
TheStraw May 12th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
By the way the Yanks still have the seconmd best run differential in the league (+39), per RAB.
27 of those runs (or 19 if you subtract the 8 the opposition scored) came in two games.
Thestraw – To further that, the reason you put high SLG players after high OBP players is because their extra base hits (and home runs) are more likely to score runs. The reason is not because they “get RBI’s”.
bruceb – Did you go through every game log and take out other teams blowouts as well? Cherry picking stats is bad practice.
“True but MLB players are like professional 2X4 walkers.”
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let me think about that one
Rich in NJ May 12th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
J. Alfred Prufrock
The religion is the pro-Jeter folks. I have no problem with that, except when they project their world view on to others, which you often do.
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The pro Jeter folks? Wait, you mean as opposed to the “objective” anti-jeter folks? Very telling, that such a group would identify itself 1). as a group and 2). as having a static stance against a Yankee.
I’m a yankee fan. By definition that makes me “pro Jeter.” He’s a player on my team. One thing to question his productiveness as he grows older & how to cope with what will be inevitable decline. The great players only real foe is time. We get that time always wins, eventually.
Another to wallpaper one’s psyche & commentary with Derek Jeter micro-analysis day in & out & expect to be greeted by anything but irritation & at this point, extreme boredom.
I think people are smart enough to appreciate the difference between the two things.
Patrick. I agree. see my above post. To me, the Yanks erred in not going harder after a guy like Crawford (although not at that $), his early season struggles notwithstanding.
What the offense needs is more power out of Swisher and more hits out of Posada. Swisher has never been a singles hitter, so if he doesn’t hit the long ball, his production is negligible. Posada is using up a roster spot playing nothing but DH–if he can’t hit, he has little value to the roster.
Those guys struggles are the biggest problem with the offense right now, IMHO.
Year in and year out, the Yankees will always be up near the top in terms of runs scored and run differential. So they should be with the highest payroll in baseball and an All Star at virtually every position. That doesn’t mean to say that they are performing to the level of their ability. The point I was trying to make was that when this team is hot, they all seem to be hot. But when they slump, they seem to slump together, particularly Tex, A-Rod and Cano – the heart of the order.
Interesting, the Yanks have yet to be “blown out” this year. No losses by more than 4 runs, and only two games by 4 runs, all 12 others 3 runs or less.
losses by 4 runs: 2
losses by 3 runs: 3
losses by 2 runs: 5
losses by 1 run: 4
The inability to seperate critisism of Jeter from hate of Jeter is your downfall, Prufrock. Not everyone that complains about his stats or tries to figure out why he is performing this way hates him, they just don’t accept the low-level knowledge of “he should be better, he will be better”.
seperate critisism… those are both words now.
2009 Adrian Gonzalez – 119 walks, 84 singles, 27 doubles, 0 triples, 40 HR, 99 RBI
2009 Alex Rodriguez – 80 walks, 79 singles, 17 doubles, 1 triple, 30 HR, 100 RBI
Gonzalez had significantly more walks, singles, doubles and HR than Alex Rodriguez in 2009 yet they had nearly the same number of RBI’s.
Why? Well the Padres hitters in front of Gonzalez were much worse than Derek Jeter, Johnny Damon and Mark Teixeira.
That’s why RBI’s are useless.
I understand that RBIs are dependent upon the players ahead being on base. That said, RBI is a not a meaningless stat unless you think driving in runs doesn’t help win games. The ability to hit a fly ball or a ground out to short is an important skill. That ground out looks like a failure. The failure would be not to get the run in.
To further that, the reason you put high SLG players after high OBP players is because their extra base hits (and home runs) are more likely to score runs. The reason is not because they “get RBI’s”.
It’s the same thing… RBI stands for Runs batted In. You are making semantic arguments about the meaning of words which ignore the point. The point is that the hits of high RBI guys are what put the runs across the plate. Perhaps you should go back and watch Arod’s performance in the 2009 playoffs.
Patrick. I agree. see my above post. To me, the Yanks erred in not going harder after a guy like Crawford (although not at that $), his early season struggles notwithstanding.
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Not sure how that applies to my discussion of RBI but I disagree regardless. Crawford wasn’t worth the money he got, especially when you compare his value to Gardner’s (small difference) in relation to his contract and Gardner’s (huge difference)
He did it both ways in that posteseason–both solo shots and knocking in guys on base.
Straw,
What if you put a “high RBI guy” in a lineup full of no OBP guys? Would that high RBI guy still get a lot of RBI’s?
I think my example of Gonzalez and Rodriguez illustrates this point pretty well. There is no such thing as “high RBI guy”.
austinmac – It’s about using stats that the player can control to predict their future success. A player can’t control when runners get on before his at-bat, so RBI’s should not be used to evaluate or predict anything. You can predict hits, power, speed… things the player controls and taking the entire lineup into consideration figure out how many runs they might score. You can’t just say “Arod averages 100+ RBI a year, so if he played on a worse team he would still produce 100 RBI.”.
How can you compare the numbers of A-Rod to Gonzalez in 2009 when he didn’t even have a Spring Training and didn’t play his first game until May 8th that season?
Time will tell with Gardner…he may prove to be that caliber of player, but I don’t see it yet other than in small glimpses. Besides, they could have had both him and Crawford and Granderson. Don’t forget, Swish was originally signed to be a platoon player with Xavier Nady. I think Swish is a guy who is definitely regressing after two career years.
TheStraw – You are so close… you just need to step over the line.
You can use hits to predict future hits, because a player controls that. You can’t use RBI totals to predict future RBI totals… because the player does not control that situation. That’s what makes it useless as a predictive statistic. It is merely a result of what happened after the factors of the game situation have played themselves out.
GF – go read the thread first, you’re jumping into the middle of something you clearly didn’t read.
How can you compare the numbers of A-Rod to Gonzalez in 2009 when he didn’t even have a Spring Training and didn’t play his first game until May 8th that season?
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That only strengthens my point…
That’s what makes it useless as a predictive statistic.
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It’s also useless as a “player value statistic”
The Yanks didn’t err at all in not going after Crawford for that kind of cheddar.
Crawford is a very good ballplayer but he’s not a $100M ballplayer, much less a $142M ballplayer.
“That’s what makes it useless as a predictive statistic.”
All predictive statistics are useless.
I used to belong to the religion of pro-Jeter. Then I found myself in a corner. In a spot…light losing my religion trying to keep up with you all. And I didn’t know if I could do it.
# Irreverent Discourse May 12th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
GF – go read the thread first, you’re jumping into the middle of something you clearly didn’t read.
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That might be good advice on some days, but not today after a crappy game last night. Too much garbage to sift through.
You can argue that Girardi lost the game for us by giving Soria a free out by bunting BG with a 3-1 count.. That was probably the most frustrating moment of the game for me last night.. no idea why he wouldn’t take the bunt off. Joe Girardi is an idiot.
I listen to Mike Francessa a lot here in FL. It’s pretty much the only thing on YES here.. they black out everything else !! Anyway.. sometimes I agree with Mike and sometimes I don’t.. Today, he did talk about Girardi and the BG bunt too and he said the same thing.. “Why would you bunt Gardner when the pitcher couldn’t find the plate?”, “He threw 7 balls out of 8 pitches and you leave the bunt on.. he gave up a chance there to win the game !” That’s exactly how I felt last night watching that stupidity!
I abhor Joe Girardi !!
Bronx Jeers,
Oh no, you’ve said too much.
You haven’t said enough.
Statistics are indicative of what has already been done, not what will be done. They are useless as budgets.
Irreverent Discourse May 12th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
The inability to seperate critisism of Jeter from hate of Jeter is your downfall, Prufrock. Not everyone that complains about his stats or tries to figure out why he is performing this way hates him, they just don’t accept the low-level knowledge of “he should be better, he will be better”.
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No I can separate the two fine. It’s actually crystal clear who belongs in which group, to me and others who don’t have the fixation.
Statistics are indicative of what has already been done, not what will be done. They are useless as budgets.
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If this is true then how does a guy like A-rod get a big contract? If statistics aren’t predictive at all, why did he get so much money?
TheStraw May 12th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Statistics are indicative of what has already been done, not what will be done. They are useless as budgets.
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Wow, you have to wonder how teams give a contract to any player when they have *no idea* how they will perform…
Player contracts are irrelevant to this discussion.
If people don’t think hitting with RISP and accumulating the RBIs matter, they must not have watched the game last night. In virtually every Yankee loss, they didn’t hit in those situations.
A player obviously can’t control if anyone is one base in front of him, but he can let the situation affect his at-bat for the better or worse. For example, some can’t put the ball in play under those circumstances and some can.
If RBIs are just used as a statistical measure, I agree it may not be very predictive. However, the ability to deliver hits or make productive outs is very important in wins and losses.
I think I long for a player or two that can hit .300 with 15-20 homeruns and won’t swing for the fences when a ground out will do.
Jacksquat-
A player is wanted due to his past production. His contract is based on his past success with a hope and and an estimate of future success. But it doesn’t “guarantee” that he will continue to produce that way.
# TheStraw May 12th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Player contracts are irrelevant to this discussion.
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No, they aren’t.
Cost effectiveness is the primary reason the Yanks chose Gardner over Crawford.
Crawford is the better player but he’s not worth $20M a year better than Gardner.
A player is wanted due to his past production. His contract is based on his past success with a hope and and an estimate of future success. But it doesn’t “guarantee” that he will continue to produce that way.
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Name me a prediction that is ever 100% guaranteed to come true. I guess the laws of physics or that the sun will come up in the morning are pretty close to being true 100% of the time. But seriously, I think you are mistaking what we mean by “predictive”.
As that blowhard John Sterling says ” You just can’t predict….baseball”.
“no, the anti-jeter stuff is semi-religion to some folks. this guy has been a great baseball player & great yankee. no one cares about this morose tribe of iconoclasts who think they’re in some temple to jeter doing a service to humanity by shining a light on the “truth” we all must confront about Derek Jeter. the energy expended on trying to dismantle Jeter is laughable. who needs to even discuss Jeter in these terms? The EXCESS is suspect, not the “facts” being presented.”
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I can’t stop laughing at this post.
Reverend J. Alfred Prufrock.
GF- I stated exactly that when I said (not at that $) in my post. But I’m still not convinced that Gardner is the most productive cost effective solution there although he has been better of late.
GF-
They could have had them both and sent Swisher packing for a starter.
The team really needs a guy who has bat control. Someone who can make productive outs. Hit to the right side if necessary to move the runner. A Placido Polanco type player would be huge in this lineup. We a real problem with moving runners and productive outs.
# TheStraw May 12th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
GF- I stated exactly that when I said (not at that $) in my post. But I’m still not convinced that Gardner is the most productive cost effective solution there although he has been better of late.
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He will be if his production this season is anywhere near what it as last season. Can he do that again? We’ll see.
The guy only earns like $400K. He was one of the most valuable players, dollar for dollar, in the league last season.
The team really needs a guy who has bat control. Someone who can make productive outs. Hit to the right side if necessary to move the runner. A Placido Polanco type player would be huge in this lineup. We a real problem with moving runners and productive outs.
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Hear that? That’s the sound of my head banging against the wall.
# TheStraw May 12th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
GF-
They could have had them both and sent Swisher packing for a starter.
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I’d strongly argue that Crawford isn’t $10M+ a year better than Swisher either.
Patrick: I think most of the bloggers here have spent a lot of time banging their heads against the wall. That may explain some of the more inane comments.
Patrick: I think most of the bloggers here have spent a lot of time banging their heads against the wall. That may explain some of the more inane comments.
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Then I guess, in a sense, reading dumb posts is making me dumber!?
This blog left dumb in the dust many weeks ago. It has now passed dumber, and nearing dumbest. As to how reading these posts will affect you, who’s to say? But, as they say, forewarned is forearmed.
The Yankees have had 70 PAs this year with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs.
40 out of those 70 runners have scored or a 57% success rate.
The AL average this season is 53%. The 2009 New York Yankees did it at a 54% success rate.
Whipping boy “swing for the fences” Nick Swisher has had 10 PAs this season with a runner on 3rd less than 2 out. He has driven in 9 of those 10 runners on third.
its funny for several years i used to throw it out there that i like jeter but its not nesessary to bow your head when you say his name, now this year im constantly saying hes not ready to be thrown out with yesterday’s garbage. i think that puts me right in the appropriate place…
The Yankees offense will be fine…..they just need to bunt more.
“I’d strongly argue that Crawford isn’t $10M+ a year better than Swisher either.”
I don’t know if that is true the way he is playing now…plus they are going to have to make a decision on him at the end of the season which might end up costing them more anyhow.
The kind of hitter this lineup could use is a vintage John Olerud type who hits near .300 w/.400 on base, gets near 20 HR’s, strikes out far less than he walks, 30-40 doubles, etc.
He was never the best hitter in the league, but his kind of at bats weren’t lineup voids. He had bat control and used the whole field.
Unfortunately, those kind of players are tougher to come by now.
The Yankees goal should be trying to find that kind of player for RF/LF in the future.
I do not want the Yankees to give Swisher any kind of long term dollars.
If they could only hit into more DPs, they’d be all set.
I think the lineup could use an Albert Pujols type of hitter.
G love,
I agree with you there.
Tough game to watch last night and there have been too many of those in this young season. The main reason we are at the top of the division at this point is the terrible starts by Boston and Tampa, not the superior play of the Yankees. This could turn into a very long season. There are several issues to address: Posada, Jeter, Swisher, Arod, Girardi’s strange decisions, bull pen strategy or lack of. The Boston and Tampa series will or should prompt some changes. Should be interesting.
Any lineup could use an Albert Pujols type hitter…
However Im still undecided on Swisher. It depends on what’s available and what he does with the remainder of this season.
If the Yankees take 3 or 4 of 5 against Boston and Tampa, will some of the complaints stop? Or will they only stop if we do it by scoring 7 runs a game with no HR?
Any lineup could use an Albert Pujols type hitter…
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Yeah that’s the point. Having a hitter with good bat control that makes productive outs or whatever makes no sense.
The Yanks are on a 95 win pace. That wins or is close to the division most years.
if they sign pujols, parking will be $75 next year and a beer will be $20!
but seriously, i think the yankees might be seeing some decline in revenues this year and next. attendance is down slightly and people are really starting to complain about prices. i think if they dont win it all this year, thier season ticket base will decline some more and they will start facing bigger attendance declines.
thus no pujols, even if they had a spot for him.
The Yankees have had 51 PAs with a runner on 2nd and no outs.
27 out of those 51 runners have advanced to 3B or a 53% success rate.
AL League average is 54% this year. The 2009 New York Yankees had a 55% success rate.
.300 BA. 400 OBP 20 homers and more walks than Ks makes tons of sense.
“Productive Outs” is a stat created by ESPN and Elias. There are 3 situations in which a batter gets credit for a productive out.
1. Advancing any baserunner with none out.
2. Driving in a baserunner with the 2nd out of the inning.
3. Successful sac by a pitcher with 1 out.
The 2011 Yankees have a 34% success rate at making productive outs. The AL League average is 33%. The 2009 NYY had a 31% success rate.
Rays have suprised the crap out of me. Started off I think 0 – 6 and have really bounced back. I hope they don’t continue to be a factor in the East, but I am afraid Glasses Joe Maddon has them believing, even after all that they lost last off season.
There is no such thing as a productive out.
“.300 BA. 400 OBP 20 homers and more walks than Ks makes tons of sense.”
Bobby Abreu type…
Sac fly to drive in a run is a nice out. I like sac flies.
Bobby Abreu!
He was my 2nd favorite Yankee (to Cano) while he was in Pinstripes.
I had an irrational amount of fondness for Bobby.
Jesus just hit his second homer of the year. Quick. Call him up before he goes “cold”.
Montero just bombed a 2 out, 3 run homer to right center on a breaking pitch. Scranton now leads in the 8th inning….5-3
GreenBeret7 May 12th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Montero just bombed a 2 out, 3 run homer to right center on a breaking pitch. Scranton now leads in the 8th inning….5-3
Call em up
Bobby Abreu was a very good situational hitter…always drove in 100 RBI even when his HRs started declining to around 15 or so
The Yankees may have no choice but to pick up Swisher’s extension…I remember looking at next year’s FA class and the list of outfielders wasn’t pretty. There’s also no one in the organization to turn to.
Abreu was no more of a home run hitter than O’Neill. Both were line drive hitters and when they got them in the air, they went out.
patrick – I wouldn’t go as far as to say there is no such thing as a productive out, just that they should not be something to strive for.
patrick – I wouldn’t go as far as to say there is no such thing as a productive out, just that they should not be something to strive for.
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The amount of “production” from any out is so small it’s not even worth mentioning, in my opinion.
patrick – certainly, just don’t give them the wedge
patrick – certainly, just don’t give them the wedge
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I just like making declarative statements like “There is no such thing as a productive out.” It stirs the pot
Good stuff plus I just like Tony Pena’s accent.
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Montero has been struggling ofensively in AAA all year, he hit 1 HR today and you want him called up. Awesome.
… but how many RBI’s did he have? :p
patrick – it’s hard enough to lock down what thestraw is trying to get out of this conversation… so shifty.
The only productive outs in baseball are the ones the other team makes.
I want a Paul Oneil…..a guy that will hit for average, walk, foul off pitches, and break things in the dugout on occasion.
In case you think it’s just the Yankees……
jonmorosi Pujols comes up with the bases loaded and two out … and taps to the pitcher. #STLCards
The winning run from last night’s game was a productive out no?
blake – the water coolers per strikeout stat is highly underrated
I want a Paul Oneil…..a guy that will hit for average, walk, foul off pitches, and break things in the dugout on occasion.
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We have a distinct lack of broken things in the dugout
Irreverent Discourse May 12th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Montero has been struggling ofensively in AAA all year, he hit 1 HR today and you want him called up. Awesome.
… but how many RBI’s did he have? :p
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Montero hasn’t been struggling all season. The first two in the batting order are doing very little and pitchers are throwing him everything outside. he’s doing what most young power hitters can’t or won’t do. Hitting pitches the other way instead of trying to jerk everything over the fense.
pat May 12th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
In case you think it?s just the Yankees??
jonmorosi Pujols comes up with the bases loaded and two out ? and taps to the pitcher. #STLCards
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it’s an epidemic.
This team breaks hearts not water coolers.
Wow, can’t believe I’m getting called dumb for pointing out that the Yanks have been unable to manufacture runs via productive outs or hitting the ball to the opposite side (i.e. Bat control). If I’m dumb, patrick, well, you’re an idiot. This blog is a joke. I come on here once in awhile to contribute and I’m noted as being dumb. thanks from a fellow Yankees fan. Hopefully you aren’t at the game on saturday to try to make me feel lesser than in person.
BJ – Yes, but they also gave away an out that inning… bunting a guy over to second. That guy still didn’t score on the single that followed. They could have had a much bigger inning, but played for 1 run. Giving away 2 outs in an inning to score 1 run is not going to be successful most of the time.
This also assumes that a rookie, Hosmer (in his second ML game), hit that sac fly on purpose. Its much more likely that he was trying to get a hit, and ended up getting a sac fly.
I agree…..takin a bat to the gatorade tub sometimes lifts everyones spirits.
Montero is ready offensively….nobody can be fully ready to hit major league pitching by hitting minor league pitching. He had a monster 2nd half in AAA last year…..get him up with enough time to adjust and maybe he’ll do the same in the bigs.
Abreu was a better lineup force/fit than Swisher is. The team lacks that kind of hitter and needs to find one to plug into the OF/DH role. You don’t need a 30HR guy who K’s a ton there. You need a guy who makes contact, hits doubles, keeps the line moving and gets on base without K’ing all the time.
RS May 12th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
The Yankees may have no choice but to pick up Swisher’s extension…I remember looking at next year’s FA class and the list of outfielders wasn’t pretty. There’s also no one in the organization to turn to.
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Well, there’s Beltran, but he’s a Boras client and even at the age of 35 Boras will probably be looking for an expensive multiyear deal. Jason Kubel…
Here’s the list:
Outfielders
Bobby Abreu LAA *
Carlos Beltran NYM
Milton Bradley SEA
Mike Cameron BOS
Ronny Cedeno PIT
Michael Cuddyer MIN
Jack Cust SEA
David DeJesus OAK
J.D. Drew BOS
Jeff Francoeur KC *
Jonny Gomes CIN
Gabe Gross OAK
Carlos Guillen DET
Raul Ibanez PHI
Conor Jackson OAK
Jason Kubel MIN
Ryan Ludwick SD
Nate McLouth ATL *
Juan Pierre CWS
Juan Rivera TOR
Cody Ross SF
Grady Sizemore CLE *
Nick Swisher NYY *
Josh Willingham WAS
* – player whose current contract includes 2012 option
Gossip Break: http://tiny.cc/lsakx
Montero needs to show some power before the Yanks call him up. AAA pitchers aren’t that good; they shouldn’t be able to keep him from hitting the ball out.
Since when is Carlos Guillen an outfielder.
rr212 – did you think when you wrote that (and i pause there) everyone would go “oh my god, we just need to make better outs!”? especially after LGY’s posts above show that the yankees are already above league average in productive outs even though the offense is sputtering?
Ludwick is the only guy on that list I would want playing over Swisher. Obviously Sizemore… but he hurt his knee again and the better he plays the more likely the Indians pick up his $8.5m option.
Lucky for us Alex didn’t catch the “acting bug” from Kurt.
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“This also assumes that a rookie, Hosmer (in his second ML game), hit that sac fly on purpose. Its much more likely that he was trying to get a hit, and ended up getting a sac fly.”
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Outside of a sac bunt I don’t consider any other “productive out” as being done on purpose.
Its an easy observation to see what they are doing, ID. I’m not saying they should go up there thinking to make better outs. I played college ball and we specifically practiced how to handle the bat when a runner needed to be moved over. I’m not syaing the Yanks don’t do that, but a lot of uppercut/homer swings have taken place lately. Stating that this team would benefit from a guy like Polanco (not saying to get him) is not a dumb statement by any means. Guy is a great, unselfish hitter. That was my point.
GreenBeret7 May 12th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Since when is Carlos Guillen an outfielder.
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Don’t shoot the messenger. That list is from Cot’s.
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Bronx Jeers May 12th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Lucky for us Alex didn?t catch the ?acting bug? from Kurt.
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Or did he? He is appearing in the movie Friends With Benefits this summer
I’m miming in post above.
AndrewMarchand Nunez just told me he thinks he is playing short tonight. Jeter may DH.
http://www.twitvid.com/5TP1W
Montero home run.
Lovely.
Chad, could you put the verified Yankee Twitterers in that list on the right side of the page, or maybe in a seperate box?
Erin – a corollary of Nunez playing short, is Cano playing 2nd. If so, it would be very good news about his health, given what happened last night.
Erin
Nice to see Kurt isn’t bitter from the split and can still look back on their time together fondly.
My daughter thinks “lack of Cameron” is causing Alex’s slump.
Joe,
Unless both Nunez and Pena play…..ouch. hopefully its as you say and Robbie is ok.
JackCurryYES Jorge Posada grew tired of questions about DH’ing and his routine and walked away from a group interview. Can’t recall last time he did that
I would rather Nunez DH and Jeter play SS.
“I would rather Nunez DH and Jeter play SS.”
oh blake, ye of little faith…
rr212 – Yes, but polanco isn’t good for your lineup because he makes “good outs”. He is one of the toughest guys in baseball to strike out. The more balls you put in play, the more good things can happen, even if you only hit singles all the time.
Cranky Jorge
JackCurryYES Jorge Posada grew tired of questions about DH’ing and his routine and walked away from a group interview. Can’t recall last time he did that
pat May 12th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Erin
Nice to see Kurt isn?t bitter from the split and can still look back on their time together fondly.
My daughter thinks ?lack of Cameron? is causing Alex?s slump.
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pat-I was reading the latest issue of In Style last week with Kate on the cover, and in the article the writer mentioned that her son Ryder was running around in a Yankees uniform complete with #13 on the back of his jersey.
LOL about the “lack of Cameron”
Chad, have you heard anything about Sanit getting called up today? If so, I assume that Carlyle will be moved (DFA) to make room.
Joelsherman1: Heard #Yankees are calling up Amaury Sanit from T-A to protect overtaxed pen
again on jeter showing career stats is silly. he is not the jeter of 5 or 7 years ago. he is an older less productive jeter, unless your eyes are lieing to you.
swisher adios after this year….. he makes too much money and does not perform good enough to warran his pay. the yanks can always make a trade. simply looking at the list of FA’s is the old stupid way of doing business.
again Jeter has not had a walk off in the new stadium, period the end……………..
Montero is 21, newsflash he may not catch in the bigs but him hitting appears to be a given……….
Erin May 12th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
JackCurryYES Jorge Posada grew tired of questions about DH’ing and his routine and walked away from a group interview. Can’t recall last time he did that
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Media won’t stop grinding on the same questions. Damn they are relentless. Leave the man alone. I’d be like Eddie Murray if I was a player. Love my teammates don’t talk to the media.
I would rather Jeter nor Nunez ever DH.
jeter has to DH they need to keep his big and powerful bat in the lineup. the great slugging % needs to be in the lineup…….
More idiocy about replacing Jorge – this time with Nunez. Please, guys, get a life.
JackCurryYES Cano, who was hit in head last nite, is in lineup. But Girardi said Cano needs to be seen by neurologist b4 gm to confirm that he’ll start
I Like Inge May 12th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Erin May 12th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
JackCurryYES Jorge Posada grew tired of questions about DH’ing and his routine and walked away from a group interview. Can’t recall last time he did that
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Media won?t stop grinding on the same questions. Damn they are relentless. Leave the man alone. I?d be like Eddie Murray if I was a player. Love my teammates don?t talk to the media.
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I know-how many times can he answer the same questions? I don’t blame him for getting annoyed.
rr212 May 12th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Wow, can’t believe I’m getting called dumb for pointing out that the Yanks have been unable to manufacture runs via productive outs or hitting the ball to the opposite side (i.e. Bat control). If I’m dumb, patrick, well, you’re an idiot. This blog is a joke. I come on here once in awhile to contribute and I’m noted as being dumb. thanks from a fellow Yankees fan. Hopefully you aren’t at the game on saturday to try to make me feel lesser than in person.
Welcome to the LoHud Yankees Blog. It’s a bit like the masons. If you don’t know the secret handshake you’re hung, drawn and quartered.
Or did he? He is appearing in the movie Friends With Benefits this summer
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That’s a funny trailer.
I recently saw Derek in “The Other Guys”
stuart a May 12th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
again on jeter showing career stats is silly. he is not the jeter of 5 or 7 years ago. he is an older less productive jeter, unless your eyes are lieing to you.
swisher adios after this year….. he makes too much money and does not perform good enough to warran his pay. the yanks can always make a trade. simply looking at the list of FA’s is the old stupid way of doing business.
again Jeter has not had a walk off in the new stadium, period the end……………..
Montero is 21, newsflash he may not catch in the bigs but him hitting appears to be a given……….
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In case you haven’t noticed over the past several years, many teams want high prices in proposed trades with the Yankees. So while trades are certainly possible, it is not the “old stupid way of doing business”.
I would rather posada DH…..but if they are giving him a day off then I would rather Jeter play SS than Nunez…..of course the move also would be about giving Jeter a half day off as well.
Montero’s homerun was hit off Bobby Parnell, the young Mets reliever who throws 99 mph
Never said he was good for this lineup bc he makes “good outs”. Said he was an unselfish player and had great bat control (which you could infer, but didn’t, that he makes a lot of contact). You are actually agreeing with me without agreeing with me. Don’t you think I know that he is a tough out and contact guy? Why do you think I mentioned him!!!???!!! I guess I really had to spell that out for you and the others. Geez. Some people just love to read/hear themselves talk, but I digress.
Bronx Jeers May 12th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
That?s a funny trailer.
I recently saw Derek in ?The Other Guys?
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I’m really looking forward to FWB. Great cast, plus Alex?? I’m in.
*free agents (are not the old, stupid way of doing business).
Erin May 12th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
I Like Inge May 12th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Erin May 12th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
JackCurryYES Jorge Posada grew tired of questions about DH’ing and his routine and walked away from a group interview. Can’t recall last time he did that
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Media won?t stop grinding on the same questions. Damn they are relentless. Leave the man alone. I?d be like Eddie Murray if I was a player. Love my teammates don?t talk to the media.
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I know-how many times can he answer the same questions? I don’t blame him for getting annoyed.
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Me too. Posada looks like a beast when he gets angry too. I’m sure there was some akward silence and media faces plastered to their note pads as he left. He reminds me of my old man when he gets angry. I’m still scared of him and he’s 62 now.
RS May 12th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Montero’s homerun was hit off Bobby Parnell, the young Mets reliever who throws 99 mph
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Who hung a breaking pitch.
signing older expensive talent is stupid.
g-d forbid the yanks do not go into a season with a veteran at every position and give a young guy a chance on occassion.
jose tabata would have been a better option the swishiliscous but they gave up on him and packaged him in the marte deal. marte was great in the world series and that is all he has done for the yanks, he had a good 2 week stretch. they gave up ohlendorf, mccutcheon, and tabata… tabata plays every day… he has more sped then swisher, a better arm then swisher, but hitting is a ???????
I’m not terribly surprised Jorge is tired of the questions. Not that he wants to be rude, but, he’s a proud man, and he knows he’s not pulling his weight. And the more he stresses about it, the more he grinds his bat into sawdust.
I was wondering what move they’d make today. I guess they can’t call Pendleton back up for a number of days; he did pitch very well.
Bronx Jeers May 12th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Or did he? He is appearing in the movie Friends With Benefits this summer
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That’s a funny trailer.
I recently saw Derek in “The Other Guys”
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I saw that movie. Did you laugh when Mark Walberg kept saying “No seriously who are you?” when Eva Mendes introduced herself. Hilarious.
jacksquat May 12th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
RS May 12th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Montero’s homerun was hit off Bobby Parnell, the young Mets reliever who throws 99 mph
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Who hung a breaking pitch.
Maybe he can teach our lineup something about hitting hangers.
cc was signed at 28 and same with Tex, no problem with that. signing over 30 year old guys I have a problem with…………
Glad Cano is back in there tonight…..I think they might have won last night had he not had to come out……good chance he knocks in a run or turns that DP that Nunez wasn’t able to.
G. Love May 12th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Abreu was a better lineup force/fit than Swisher is. The team lacks that kind of hitter and needs to find one to plug into the OF/DH role. You don’t need a 30HR guy who K’s a ton there. You need a guy who makes contact, hits doubles, keeps the line moving and gets on base without K’ing all the time.
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Agree 100%. Swish is just too jumpy. Every swing is a HR swing.
Poor Nova….
AndrewMarchand Nunez just told me he thinks he is playing short tonight. Jeter may DH.
“Montero’s homerun was hit off Bobby Parnell, the young Mets reliever who throws 99 mph”
We know he can hit fastballs, regardless of how hard it is.
His problem is getting fooled on breaking stuff.
Anyway, I’d bring him up anyway because he can’t be worse than half our lineup is now as it is.
Doesn’t Swish realize he is in a potential contract year?
Having another 2008 season won’t help him much…
“but if they are giving him a day off then I would rather Jeter play SS than Nunez”
I got seats behind third base tonight. I wish I had got them behind first instead, I might have caught a ball.
Granderson has 7 ABs against O’SUllivan and 3 HR. Bodes well for tonight.
For what it’s worth… WAR dollars are a formula used to figure out how much it would cost in free agency to replace a players production. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....-of-a-win/
Nick Swisher
2009 – $5.4m salary – 3.3WAR = $15m
2010 – $6.9m salary – 4.3WAR = 17.3m
2011 – $9m salary
2012 – $10.3m salary
Swisher only needs to produce 2WAR this year to be worth $10m, and probably 2.1 or 2.2WAR next year (the $ to war ratio changes every year)
Swisher has only produced under 2WAR in a season once, and he was leading off for the White Sox.
Swishers option is most certainly being picked up unless this slump continues all season long.
AndrewMarchand Cano will start at second if he gets past one more test
pass that test, Robbie!!
And Now Colon may be in the HGH controversary
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....Id=rss_nyy
Yanks78 May 12th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
“Montero’s homerun was hit off Bobby Parnell, the young Mets reliever who throws 99 mph”
We know he can hit fastballs, regardless of how hard it is.
His problem is getting fooled on breaking stuff.
Anyway, I’d bring him up anyway because he can’t be worse than half our lineup is now as it is.
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Yep…getting fooled at a .327 clip. What a dog.
rr212 May 12th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
The team really needs a guy who has bat control. Someone who can make productive outs.
Those comments are not mutually exclusive, you said what you said. Productive outs is a stupid concept and nothing to strive for… and that’s what was made fun of. No one is arguing that contact hitters aren’t better than all or nothing strikout guys.
New Post w/lineup
The sooner they get Montero up here the better. They should start letting him DH in some minor league games to get him used to it.
I Like Inge said:
Me too. Posada looks like a beast when he gets angry too. I’m sure there was some akward silence and media faces plastered to their note pads as he left. He reminds me of my old man when he gets angry. I’m still scared of him and he’s 62 now.
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LMAO. Best post in a while.
BTW, why are you “I Like Inge”? I keep forgetting to ask you.