A new low
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 14, 2011 
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Joe Girardi tried to shake things up tonight. Instead, the Yankees gave him more of the same, and the manager watched the last few innings from the clubhouse. In what was unmistakably the low point of the season thus far, the Yankees were shutout 6-0 by the Red Sox. Jorge Posada asked to be taken out of the lineup, Girardi was ejected for shouting at home plate umpire Mike Winters and the Yankees lost their fourth in a row. It’s their longest losing streak of the season, and they’ve now lost eight of their past 11. CC Sabathia hasn’t pitched well in three straight starts, and this time he could only limit the damage so long. Adrian Gonzalez’s three-run home run in the seventh put the game well out of reach for a lineup that’s struggling regardless of batting order.
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new low will be short lived. Enjoy this new low for 21 hours and we’ll be getting lower come 8pm tomorrow.
Hahaha – yeah, the game is secondary, the big news is Posada, who is hitting .160 and is upset.
Wow. I just got home. From the sound of it I don’t think I have ever been more glad to miss a game.
I don’t even think I want to know what happened. This game was never played in my world.
Team sucks. Big time. F all the positives. Take the rose color glasses off or stop bein NERDS.
So….what the hell is going on with Posada???
Yanks aren’t going to hit Lester tomorrow either…they never do. So I am sure another shut out is coming.
They’ll be back. If anything thinks otherwise, they’re wrong.
I like Yankee fans who wish the team loses … for some reason? True fans.
Great effort guys….Now it will be fun watching the Yanks cover for Posada and his bs. Have to love a .150 hitter with a fake injury.
0-10 with risp tonight. That’s awesome.
But again, jerkface and lgy were so right to think the longball would last forever.
Flash17YES It feels like rock bottom for yankees!!!
“But again, jerkface and lgy were so right to think the longball would last forever.”
Oh jeez, it’s always about hitting the ball hard and they aren’t doing that.
“# Erin May 14th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
So….what the hell is going on with Posada???
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conflicting stories all game, basically think him and Girardi go into it before the game and Posada refused to play, rumored retirement, etc
89 wins. If u thought more, than ur just playin yourself.
Sometimes more get accomplished in the war when you lose certain battles.
# LGY May 14th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Wow. I just got home. From the sound of it I don’t think I have ever been more glad to miss a game.
I don’t even think I want to know what happened. This game was never played in my world.
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because the cubs had a rain delay, I did get to watch the last few innings..seriously wishing I hadn’t. lol
The Yankees are a joke if they cover for Posada. He isn’t hitting a lick, the team is really struggling and he pulls this tonight. Nice way to put yourself before the team.
YankeesInk If you’re wondering, the press is still lined up outside the clubhouse
YankeesInk Posada at his locker first.
“Sometimes more get accomplished in the war when you lose certain battles.”
Which ones?
No rich, its about normalizing absurd trends and recognizing that what’s left isn’t pretty. Its this. Forget this nonsense about hitting the ball hard. There is a hit the ball hard anywhere approach and there is a hit the ball in an effort to hit it out approach. The two are not the same. The homeruns masked an offense that isn’t very good.
“The Yankees are a joke if they cover for Posada. He isn’t hitting a lick, the team is really struggling and he pulls this tonight. Nice way to put yourself before the team.”
Yeah, because he’s the only one not hitting and coming to terms with your baseball immortality is always easy after a near-HoF career.
Calo…When the stretch drive kicks in wouldn’t you feel better playing thos games at home rather than the road ??? I think they only have 29 home games after August 1st….
But again, jerkface and lgy were so right to think the longball would last forever.
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I didn’t watch the game but this is silly. It’s not like their hitting fly balls now that just are no longer going for HR. They are barely getting the ball out of the infield
Carlos
” Forget this nonsense about hitting the ball hard. ”
No words.
Calo is the new Carlo
Sorry, baseball MORTALITY
“A new low”.
Clearly, Chad is a lot like the rest of us, and running out of ways to say, “This team is awful”. I wonder what tomorrow’s will be!
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Kevin Not That Kevin Brown May 14th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
This is a really, really, really scary thought, but here goes:
Nothing happens in a vacuum, and the reality is that this is exactly how we played the entire second half of last season. Yes, we had a great start to the season, but here we are – again.
So it’s a legitimate question at this point: is this simply who we are now?”””
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I do agree. Our offense was dreadful last season second half.
Cashman even said (behind closed doors mostly) that he would really like to get more *younger* offense.. he admitted his concerns about offense in general old or not.
Posada says he told Joe he needed time to clear his head and that his back had stiffened up.
The only positive here is it’s only May 14th and there’s a lot of time to recover.
YankeesInk Posada says he told Joe he needed time to clear his head and that his back had stiffened up.
YankeesInk Posada says he was looking forward to playing the game.
Basically your batting 9th= my back hurt
The idea being once their HRs stopped leaving the park their hard hit balls would still be going for doubles/XBH. They aren’t hitting at all.
“YankeesInk Posada says he told Joe he needed time to clear his head and that his back had stiffened up.”
He shouldn’t go there even if it’s true, but whatever, move on. He’s only one of the problems.
Admits he needs to clear his mind and talk to his wife.
YankeesInk Posada says he was not 100 percent and says “you will have to ask cashman about the contradictions.
YankeesInk Admits he needs to clear his mind and talk to his wife.
1937 – Pitcher Johnny Broaca is fined $250 and suspended indefinitely by the Yankees for jumping the club.
P: Then we are indeed in deep doo-doo.
YankeesInk He says he wants to be here and loves the organization.
YankeesInk Says he did not tell Joe or Cashman his back was stiff.
Hearing Yankee fans say this is our Nomar moment
“Hearing Yankee fans say this is our Nomar moment”
Stop listening.
Rich – 1985 ny giants get smoked by the bears in the playoffs. To a man, every giant says that loss was the most important factor for them winning in 1986. Thinking ur good enough to coast and realizing ur not usually has a hard bottom and its better felt sooner than later.
YankeesInk Asked if it was more his back or head he says “a little bit of both”.
YankeesInk Says he believes he could hurt himself more of he’d played.
Upon further review I don?t think Posada should have been dropped to 9th. 8th yes with Gardner staying at 9 to turn the lineup over with speed in front of Jeter.
God knows Gardner can?t be our 7th hitter or we are really in trouble.
So Swisher 7th and Posada 8th makes more sense.
They’ll lose again tomorrow, too. This team is like clockwork. A big, crappy clock that never gives the right time.
I seem to recall another Yankee player jumped the club with depression and the team cut him…thought it was Danny Walton, but I can’t find anything on it
YankeesInk Says Cashman made a misstatement “in middle of game. That’s the way he works now.”
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You don’t want to f with Cashmoney
LGY: You’re better off not knowing.
Carlo
You think they’re coasting? Maybe Cano, but largely, I think they are slumping and aging.
YankeesInk Says Cashman made a misstatement “in middle of game. That’s the way he works now.”
YankeesInk “you’re not supposed to do that” re Cashman.
YankeesInk Do you feel disrespected? “A little bit.”
Pat – sure, I’d rather have those games at home, but if this is the quality of the baseball team then it really makes no difference where the games are played. If the baseball cards start to hold merit, then again, I don’t think home/away will matter.
Did Jorge tell Joe his back was stiff or not?
YankeesInk Says he did not use the world insulted about hitting 9th.
YankeesInk Says he thinks he can play tomorrow. This contradicts what he said moments ago.
Erin May 14th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
YankeesInk Says Cashman made a misstatement “in middle of game. That’s the way he works now.”
YankeesInk “you’re not supposed to do that” re Cashman.
YankeesInk Do you feel disrespected? “A little bit.”
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Uh oh.
# LGY May 14th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Did Jorge tell Joe his back was stiff or not?
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if I’m understanding him correctly, I think he only told Joe and Cash that he needed time to clear his head.
YankeesInk Says Cashman made a misstatement “in middle of game. That’s the way he works now.”
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I’m sure that’s going to sit well with the brass.
Can’t Posada just be honest? If It is true that Posada came back and said his back was stiff don’t you think Cash would have checked with Girardi first before going on TV to talk about it.
So he didn’t tell the manager, gm and trainer that he was hurt until after the game? Seriously come on…
Ledger_Yankees Posada not pleased with Cashman; says he’s hurt.
AndrewMarchand Posada originally said he didn’t tell Joe he had stiff back in meeting and then he said he did
Ledger_Yankees Back stiffness from taking grounders at first; says he feels disrespected
Girardi: I was not made aware of his back at any point.
# Rich in NJ May 14th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Carlo
You think they’re coasting? Maybe Cano, but largely, I think they are slumping and aging.
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i think they, like many here, look around and say “heck, we’ll make the playoffs no problem, look at all the talent here”
Jorge is just trying to cover his butt. How was Girardi supposed to know his back hurt if he didn’t tell him?
We should get Girardi’s version soon…they’re waiting for his pc to start
“That’s the way he works now.”
More Jeter fall-out?
Jorge says his back stiffened up when he was taking fielding practice at first, and he saw the chiropractor.
So to Brian Cashman, the Liar, and to all of you who jumped to conclusions about Jorge, go piss up a rope.
Posada better be careful about what he says about Cashman. We have seen how Cash works and I am sure he will have no problem releasing him or sitting him on the bench if he doesn’t start hitting.
YankeesInk Girardi says the conversation was really short. Posada came into his office and said he needed a day. That was extent of conversation.
YankeesInk Says was not made aware of his back in conversation or at any point.
Now Girardi is trying to cover for him.
Girardi has said 3 times Jorge did not say anything about his back in his postgame conference.
The next step for Posada should be to pull himself off the roster.
Harsh?
Sure.
But how can you force a smile right now.
Watching Jeter and Jorge in particular this year has me seeing the end of the dynasty.
I hope Jeter pulls himself and ends his contract before it comes to this.
Posada should be practicing his retirement speech.
Face/LGY – yes, they are not hitting at all, and to an extent, they werent hitting all that much then either but they were hitting the ball out with frequency.
This girardi interview is a total mess.
# Rich in NJ May 14th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
“Hearing Yankee fans say this is our Nomar moment”
Stop listening.
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I can’t the screams are loud. The only choice I have is to cut my eyes off and I need my ears damn it.
Yo Girardi should just say no comment. It’s obvious he’s pissed and they had words.
This is going to bug me. I seem to recall a young outfielder on team in last 15 years that got depressed and left the tewam, and was cut. Anyone else remember that?
Jorge walks into Joe’s office and says simply “I need a day” and he feels disrespected?
Watch them hit him higher now. His hissy fit worked.
YankeesInk “This season has Bren a struggle for Georgie. He needed a day.”
(and I’m assuming that’s supposed to be “been”)
YankeesInk Girardi says “I’ve Bren through struggles. Georgie wears heart on sleeve. And today he needed a day.
BryanHoch Posada said he had a stiff back and saw a chiropractor today. Also needed a mental day off.
This “i need a day” stuff is such a crock
# LGY May 14th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Jorge walks into Joe’s office and says simply “I need a day” and he feels disrespected?
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No, he feels disrespected by Cashman
Cashman, as usual, shot off his big lying mouth without knowing the facts.
You could tell that Girardi isn’t happy at all but he knows it’s in his best interest if he says very little. Posada is obviously lying but the Yanks are trying to cover for him as best as they can.
YankeesInk “he told me he needed a day. And if a guy tells me he needs a day I’m going to give him a day.”
BryanHoch Posada said he was “a little bit” upset at Cashman for talking during the game. Said you’re not supposed to do that.
YankeesInk Girardi says conversation was “late”.
Posada is acting like a petulant child. He goes into Girardi’s offfice before the game and throws a hissy fit about batting 9th with his .160ish BA. Obviously he is pissed off because he got dropped to last in the order. Then he has he wife tweet that his back hurts. What a joke.
Posada has been a valuable member of this team for a long time and is a life long Yankee. On one hand him acting like a child is the wrong way to handle it, on the other Girardi could have handled it better as well. Knowing he was going to shake up the lineup he could have told Posada this well in advance, he didn’t come to his lineup conclusion one hour before game time.
Posada is making this all about him, as a life long Yankee he should realize that the team comes first.
The Yankees are almost politicians the way they work overtime to spin things.
“Jorge walks into Joe’s office and says simply “I need a day” and he feels disrespected?”
He’s a prideful guy who is having a tough time accepting that he may not be the player he once was. People say things during stressful times that objectively don’t always make sense.
Joe has made no mention of the back whatsoever. The numerous stories alone are all the evidence needed that something not good went down.
CC: I think it’s obvious that Cashman was lying – or at least was answering a question he had no business to answer, since he didn’t have the facts.
russellmartin55 All we can do is press on refresh and get em tomorrow… A lot of baseball to be played!
YankeesInk “has anyone ever told you they need a day off an hour before gametime?” “I don’t recall.”
It looks like Jorge is just trying to cover for his wife with the back thing. Unless Cashman/Girardi have some conspriacy thing going on.
# Niblick May 14th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
Cashman, as usual, shot off his big lying mouth without knowing the facts.
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whats facts dude?
Cool posadams back is sore, I better not see him in the lineup for the next week then.
Posada has been a valuable member of this team for a long time and is a life long Yankee. On one hand him acting like a child is the wrong way to handle it, on the other Girardi could have handled it better as well. Knowing he was going to shake up the lineup he could have told Posada this well in advance, he didn’t come to his lineup conclusion one hour before game time.
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Longer than that. enough time for posada to say he was ok and brought it on himself, then one hour before he threw his fit.
“No, he feels disrespected by Cashman”
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Yeah I know. That was bad phrasing on my part.
Basically I’m saying Jorge can’t complain about being disrespected when he removes himself from the lineup with no explanation and then his story changes a bunch of times after.
He brought this on himself.
He feels ‘disrespected’ my butt, the only thing stuck in his craw is being put into the 9 hole with his crappy BA.
Jacksquat – that’s total bs. How in the world could Jorge be covering for his wife? He doesn’t have access to her tweets during the game. What a ridiculous accusation.
YankeesInk “when you look up and your average is on the 100s it’s tough. I’ve been there and it’s tough.”
YankeesInk “The last time I played a game I cried like a baby. It’s tough getting older. That’s hard.”
The one thing that’s troubling to me this season is relying on the HR to score runs. Can this team play some small-ball to manufacture runs? We haven’t really seen it so far this season (minus that nice double steal yesterday, which didn’t result in any runs).
Everyone is blowing this out of proportion. Stuff happens. The sun comes up the next day, and people move on.
Carlo – that his back hurt. Duh.
Cashman, as usual, shot off his big lying mouth without knowing the facts.
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Um…. Sounds like no one knew of this supposed “back injury” except for posada.
He wants to play this, fine.
Put him on the DL.
LGY-got it. I agree.
YankeesInk “I think sometimes people look at us as people who don’t have feelings.”
YankeesInk “I just sensed that he was frustrated. Sometimes you just give a guy a chance to clear his mind.”
No one wants to talk about the game.
lol. Only one question about the game for Girardi.
# Niblick May 14th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Carlo – that his back hurt. Duh.
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Dude, Cashman didnt know his back hurt because his own freaking manager didnt know his back hurt until after the 6th inning.
And frankly, i dont believe his back is hurt.
Guys take themselves out of the lineup all the time. It’s only a big deal because Cashman felt the need to make a big deal about it to the media during the game.
Why do we even care about a .160-hitting dried-up old nothing of a catcher? Anyone who thinks Posada is going to contribute in a major way to this team is delusional.
Look for this agonizing play to continue tomorrow, culminating in yet another embarrassing L.
Carlo – then Cashman should have kept his mouth shut and he shouldn’t have lied that it wasn’t injury related.
Posada was just being a team player.
He is taking all the attention off the disaster of their recent play.
YankeesInk Joe says first time he heard about back was in his office after being tossed.”
YankeesInk Need to address teammates? “Let’s take it one step at a time.”
Laura – I Bleed Blue May 14th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
No one wants to talk about the game.
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Can’t say that I blame them
Niblick May 14th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Jacksquat – that’s total bs. How in the world could Jorge be covering for his wife? He doesn’t have access to her tweets during the game. What a ridiculous accusation.
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Are you blind? Cashman and Girardi both said they heard nothing about his back, or any injury. So, are you making the accusation that Cashman and Girardi are *both* lying about Posada not telling them of any back injury?
Carlo – then Cashman should have kept his mouth shut and he shouldn’t have lied that it wasn’t injury related.
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How it is a lie?
Posada didn’t tell anyone his back is hurt.
Ya don’t think it’s a little bit suspicious that Jorge kept his “back stiffness” a secret when he asked out of the lineup?
“Guys take themselves out of the lineup all the time. It’s only a big deal because Cashman felt the need to make a big deal about it to the media”
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Not relevant.
Guys don’t usually take themselves out the game they are bumped to 9th in the order after a career of hitting in the middle of the lineup.
It’s more than questionable timing from Jorge – whose back never came up once until the crap hit the fan.
Very suspicious.
Niblick May 14th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Guys take themselves out of the lineup all the time. It’s only a big deal because Cashman felt the need to make a big deal about it to the media during the game.
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It’s a big deal because it happened right after he was moved to 9th.
Cashman didnt say anything during the game other than posada was going to talk and that he knew of no injury.
Get the sweep ready. CHUMPS.
BloggingBombers For those crushing YES for not showing Posada live, I’m 99% sure they’re not allowed to broadcast live from the clubhouse.
YankeesInk Thought call during Varitek Ab was bad. Over and out.
Why wouldn’t you tell Joe your back was stiff?
Jorge: Because it wasn’t serious.
Let’s just put Posada-gate behind us.
If he wants to play and give 100%, fine by me.
Next.
Like i said, Cashman takes things upon himself, says what he wants to say, and if Mr. Steinbrenner were alive and healthy, that loser Cashman would not be able to spout off at the mouth like he has done repeatedly in the past couple years. Contradicts Girardi often, stabs Jorge in the back, makes silly comments about other teams.
I think it was Bubba Trammell…in 2003…jumped the club
Rich
I am with you on this one.
But you know what Pat M says:
You’re …. in the wind
It is clear that Cashman either spoke without knowledge of the facts or out-and-out lied.
But that’s been characteristic of Cashman this year – he went out of his way to diss Jeter during the contract negotiations. Apparently Cashman, in his eagerness for publicity and self-promotion this year, has taken it upon himself to shoot off his mouth about lots of players.
I think Posada and the Yanks should give it until June 1st. If he doesn’t start hitting then retire. What he did tonight is absolutely unacceptable, childish and his teammates shouldn’t be happy with him. When you are hitting .165 you aren’t allowed to have a hissy fit about where you are batting in the lineup.
BD (Boston Dave) May 14th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Let’s just put Posada-gate behind us.
If he wants to play and give 100%, fine by me.
Next.
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Totally agree
Guys take themselves out of the lineup all the time. It’s only a big deal because Cashman felt the need to make a big deal about it to the media
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Girardi just said he can’t recall another time of a player asking out of the lineup like this.
People don’t want the team to hit, they simply want the team to hit with RISP.
# Niblick May 14th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Carlo – then Cashman should have kept his mouth shut and he shouldn’t have lied that it wasn’t injury related.
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im not trying to be disrespectful or rude to you because you believe what you believe, but if you think this back thing is real, then we shouldnt bother wasting time talking.
This back business is a feeble attempt at a coverup.
Ledger_Yankees “I still want to be here.” – Posada
BloggingBombers I’m fascinated to see the 50-50 split by Yankees fans here tonight. Some crushing Posada, some crushing Cashman. Nobody looks good here.
LGY – that statement of Girardi’s contradicts his earlier statement that when a guy asks for a day off, he gives him one.
Which is it Girardi? Can’t have it both ways.
So what do we know?
Posada was dropped to the 9 spot, was not happy about it but understood it because as he said, he played himself there.
2 hours later, he told the manager he “needed a day”. Did not explain why.
Cashman went to the media to answer questions and said he was not aware of any injury and refused to speculate further.
Posada now says his back tightened but did not mention it to anyone. But somehow, his wife knew. During the game. After Cashman spoke.
Believe whomever you want to, but I’m going to lean towards Posada covering his ass for pulling a Hanley.
Whatever. More importantly, Posada’s bat wouldn’t have mattered today as everyone continues to scuffle. Need to put up runs tomorrow to get something going.
I am a huge Posada fan for years – think he’s been the true captain throughout the dynasty years.
That said, he’s wrong here. If anyone should feel disrespected, it’s Girardi and Cashman. To be honest, letting Jorge get away with this BS undermines Girardi’s authority and limits his ability to effectively manage.
Like Jorge said, that’s the way Cashman works now. Without Mr. Steinbrenner around and no fear of consequences, he is the big man on campus and acts like a tough guy.
“This back business is a feeble attempt at a coverup.”
No, it’s a common and understandable human reaction.
Nobody looks good here
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Pretty good assessment of things.
Niblick May 14th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
It is clear that Cashman either spoke without knowledge of the facts or out-and-out lied.
But that’s been characteristic of Cashman this year – he went out of his way to diss Jeter during the contract negotiations. Apparently Cashman, in his eagerness for publicity and self-promotion this year, has taken it upon himself to shoot off his mouth about lots of players.
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Obviously some biased people here who refuse to just look at the facts.
Cashman said there was no injury BECAUSE POSADA DID NOT TELL ANYONE ABOUT A BACK INJURY.
Kevin Not That Kevin Brown May 14th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
This is a really, really, really scary thought, but here goes:
Nothing happens in a vacuum, and the reality is that this is exactly how we played the entire second half of last season. Yes, we had a great start to the season, but here we are – again.
So it’s a legitimate question at this point: is this simply who we are now?”””
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I do agree. Our offense was dreadful last season second half.
Cashman even said (behind closed doors mostly) that he would really like to get more *younger* offense.. he admitted his concerns about offense in general old or not.
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Thank you guys…finally a few who realize our offense was not that good last year and is even worse this year…the big names, leading the league in runs scored…it covered up a bad offensive team shutdown too easily by good pitching or unknown pitching…if you watched this team everyday since last July you clearly can see it, but you had to watch everyday and not just look at #’s and names…..
clearly Jorge is not happy at all.. and there seems to be tension between him and Cash
Posada is full of it. Cashman should turn the tables on him and put him on the DL so his back can heal!
LGY – that statement of Girardi’s contradicts his earlier statement that when a guy asks for a day off, he gives him one.
Which is it Girardi? Can’t have it both ways.
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Girardi was pushed on the issue because his answer didn’t make any sense based on what happened with Posada.
He was obviously just trying to cover for Jorge who has about 10 different narratives running right now.
YankeesInk Teixeira says he has nothing to say about Posada. “I just found out about it.
Ledger_Yankees Posada dismissed question about retirement
YankeesInk “we’re just in a rut.”
YankeesInk Teix says the lack of scoring RISP was a “testament to Beckett.”
Ok enough about Posada who is hitting .165 bring up Montero…
Carlo: It’s a little late, but I want to apologize for lumping you in with the bridge jumpers earlier. Game frustrations and witnessing the flood of trolls come into the thread got me a little short. I usually take my own advice and ignore them, but the game was more frustrating to me today than usual.
Would be happy to discuss baseball with you anytime.
Carlo – you have no idea whether the back thing is “real” or not. And stop pretending that you do. Jorge says his back stiffened, and I take him at his word. He has never intentionally done anything in 17 years with the Yankees to hurt the team.
On the other hand, there are plenty of reasons why Cashman would want to diss Jorge, the primary one being to try to induce him to retire, freeing up cash and a roster spot. If Cashman wants him gone, he should release him, not play stupid games with the media.
If he told Cashman/Girardi he needed a day to clear his head and this supposed back issue isn’t serious, why bring it up at all???? His wife was the first one to talk about his back being stiff. He now has to cover her rear end and continue on with the bogus story. This whole thing is ridiculous.
How and where the f is the spark this team needs going to come from?
This posada melodrama is lame/pathetic/uninspiring. And, fwiw, posada is not good at lying, which is noble. I’m moving on.
LGY – you’re wrong. Girardi completely contradicted himself on the question of giving a player off when they ask for one.
Teix says the lack of scoring RISP was a “testament to Beckett.”
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Just like the props given to the Royals, Jays, Tigers and W.Sox pitchers. Enough of the bs already….
Jorge may or may not have been wrong. However, this should have stayed in-house. And Cashman made sure to bring the media into it, as if the media has good intentions. He’s a superficial phony jerk.
He says his back hurt but didn’t tell Joe that?
He says its not serious and he will be fine tomorrow but then he just said he can’t play right now. Then how do you know you will be fine tomorrow and it’s nothing serious?
Then he just said he had to clear his head?
He said Cash shouldn’t adrress during game but that is the world we live in and it was a story since he didn’t mention the injury.
If he told Joe his back hurt then it would be a non story.
Jorge is in cover up mode because he knows he screwed up.
I hope his back was stiff tonight. If not, Posada quit on his team. Girardi puts him out there most every day. He makes $13 million. I don’t want to be fan and overreact but I really hope his back was hurt, or mentally drained, and could not go. You can’t leave your teammates out there like that. No way is that cool.
Ledger_Yankees Girardi said posada never mentioned hitting ninth as an issue. Just that he needed a day.
“2 hours later, he told the manager he “needed a day”. Did not explain why.”
Posada has earned the right to take a mental health day ( for whatever reason) without being called out on it by his GM. This could have and should have been handled “in house”
But “that’s the way he works now”.
# The Other Phil May 14th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Carlo: It’s a little late, but I want to apologize for lumping you in with the bridge jumpers earlier. Game frustrations and witnessing the flood of trolls come into the thread got me a little short. I usually take my own advice and ignore them, but the game was more frustrating to me today than usual.
Would be happy to discuss baseball with you anytime.
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Other Phil – no need, im out of sorts tonight and extremely aggravated with this team. Im out of line most of the time tonight so its likely on me anyway. i only believe about 20% of what i write on nights like this.
One thing i am not, is a troll. i love this team, hence why i get so flustered and talk stupid. im headed up to the game tomorrow night and hopefully i watch the yankees play a crisp baseball game.
Posada didnt quit on his team. Heck, he was hitting .150. He probably did us a favor by sitting out. Leave the guy alone.
BloggingBombers Here’s what I think will happen with Posada: If he finds his swing, all will be forgiven. If not, the Yankees will find a new DH by July.
lol, imagine this place if there had been blogs and Twitter during the Bronx Zoo era.
Jorge’s alleged hissy fit is nothing compared to that.
Tar May 14th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
+1
We may not know the truth for days.
Niblick May 14th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Carlo – you have no idea whether the back thing is “real” or not. And stop pretending that you do. Jorge says his back stiffened, and I take him at his word. He has never intentionally done anything in 17 years with the Yankees to hurt the team.
On the other hand, there are plenty of reasons why Cashman would want to diss Jorge, the primary one being to try to induce him to retire, freeing up cash and a roster spot. If Cashman wants him gone, he should release him, not play stupid games with the media.
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Oh yeah, Jorge had no reason to ask out of the lineup. Certainly being dropped to the 9th spot for the first time in 12 years couldn’t have had anything to do with it…
You have blinders on.
LGY – you’re wrong. Girardi completely contradicted himself on the question of giving a player off when they ask for one.
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Girardi said players ask out of the lineup at times. But when the reporters pressed him on the question asking things like, “Even if there is nothing physically wrong?”
His answer didn’t make any sense in the context of Jorge and that is why the reporters asked so many follow up questions.
When it was clear that a player always has had a real reason to ask out the lineup after being pressed on the question, Girardi finally admitted he can’t recall a player ever asking out like this.
Girardi was trying to cover for Po and make it sound like it happens, but the reporters knew it was bs and Girardi could only dance around the question so much.
“BloggingBombers Here’s what I think will happen with Posada: If he finds his swing, all will be forgiven. If not, the Yankees will find a new DH by July.”
If the Yankees don’t hit, they can’t wait until July. They probably can’t wait until June 1st.
seriously, nobody perfect.. and Jorge is struggling that’s obvious.. but he made a mess out of this.. nobody but him..
I hate when I hear people backpedal .. Jorge’s ears were bright red.. there’s a lot more to this story then what we are hearing.. I bet Joe and Jorge got into it.
Posada obviously called his wife during the game and she told him to say his back was hurting. He is a really bad liar. He quit on his team tonight, nothing else to say.
4NYY: We’ll never know the full truth. Everyone is in damage control now.
Who cares. This is a side show.
Buster_ESPN Bottom line on the whole Posada thing: This episode will accelerate his departure from the team unless he starts producing at the plate ASAP
Tar – i said i was done with posada but i took interest in your pinning blame on cashman. maybe i am misunderstanding but i am not following how cashman “called him out”.
I guess if we are to take the postgame interviews at face value, that can be said, but seriously, there was more bllsht thrown in that postgame then at a david ortiz roid confession presser……which i am still waiting for.
Looks like Yankees vs Mets next weekend will be competitive after all.
Maybe it was a combo of things…
A) batting 9th
B) he’s sucking big time
C) didn’t want to embarras himself being dominated by Beckett
D) Is on his period
“We may not know the truth for days.”
All you have to do is read/listen to Posada’s statement and the truth is right there.
*He threw a hissy fit about batting 9th
*The media got wind of it and the speculation started
*His wife, who’s on Twitter and Facebook, saw the tide turning against Jorge and came up with the back story
*Jorge, hearing what his wife posted, had no choice but to back her play and gave his statement, which contained too many contradictions to count
*Girardi, who backs his players to a fault, decides to protect Jorge with his own press conference full of things that don’t make sense
At the end of the day, the Yankees need to forget that this happened. I hope Girardi continues to bat Posada 9th. If he doesn’t, he’ll lose any respect that the players have for him.
“Buster_ESPN Bottom line on the whole Posada thing: This episode will accelerate his departure from the team unless he starts producing at the plate ASAP”
I think that’s spot on.
jorge needed a day because he’s what tired or a sore back…BS
Dear Yankees,
Please bring up Slade Heathcott, at least he has shown that he can hit.
Laura – good stuff.
Carlo
If Cashman doesn’t open his mouth, are we even discussing this right now?
Somebody like Randy or Pat M will know better, but players don’t like when their dirty laundry is put out for public consumption.
Buster_ESPN Bottom line on the whole Posada thing: This episode will accelerate his departure from the team unless he starts producing at the plate ASAP
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Posada really screwed himself in this whole situation and made it even worse firing shots at Cashman after the game.
Cashman called him out because he’s not a team guy. Cashman is a cashman guy. He only cares about cashman and how cashman can draw attention to cashman and make cashman look good. In the end, he only looks like a jerk. But most Yankees fans aren’t smart enough to see that he enjoys being divided.
CC threw just 66 of his 117 pitches for strikes.
Not good.
I feel bad for Posada. That interview was obviously uncomfortable and humiliating for him. He dug his own grave with this nonsense though and he should be apologizing to Joe G for putting him in the position to have to lie for him.
Firing shots at Cashman? Cashman brought the media into it….IN THE MIDDLE OF A GAME…..UNDER THE DUGOUT! Posada simply stated the truth.
Ledger_Yankees Posada said he did not tell either Cashman or Girardi about his back.
CC threw just 66 of his 117 pitches for strikes
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Was probably 67. Can’t excuse what happened after Varitek wasn’t called out, but he should have been called out.
from top to bottom this team is in tough shape, D is bad,no hitting with RISP,SP isn’t all that good & the BP takes turns blowing up..before you know it the RS will be ahead of them
“UPDATE, 8:02 p.m.: Brian Cashman just addressed the media to announce that Jorge Posada asked to be taken out of tonight’s lineup. Sounds like Posada will probably speak to the media after tonight’s game. Cashman wouldn’t go into detail, but it’s clear that Posada asked to be removed from tonight’s game.”
If this doesn’t happen, none of us are discussing this right now.
Mell,
Agree 1000%
Horrendous non-call.
# Tar May 14th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
Carlo
If Cashman doesn’t open his mouth, are we even discussing this right now?
Somebody like Randy or Pat M will know better, but players don’t like when their dirty laundry is put out for public consumption.
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Implicit in your point is that if cashman stayed quiet, we would all be lied to and it wouldnt have raised our eyebrows?
Players may not like that, but i dont think ownership cares for well paid players throwing tantrums when they are hitting 165 and being shuffled in the lineup
How is Cashman the bad guy here? Go back and listen to what he said. He said that Jorge went into Joe’s office and asked out of the game. Is that a lie? When pressed for more info, he gave a no comment. Someone please explain to me how Cash is the bad guy here.
It is apparent that Cashman had a real agenda in going out of his way to tell reporters, during the game, that Posada’s absence was not injury related.
Firing shots at Cashman? Cashman brought the media into it….IN THE MIDDLE OF A GAME…..UNDER THE DUGOUT! Posada simply stated the truth.
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“That’s the way he works now.”
Unless you retire on top, like Pettitte, every player is going to go through what Posada is now. It could be Jeter, it could be Mo.
Players don’t give discounts. When you can’t produce, changes have to be made.
Personally, I think Cashman says things in public when they need to be said.
Jeter wants ridiculous amount of money, Cashman says shop his offer. I have no problem with that.
Posada asks out of lineup *coincidentally* the day he is dropped to 9th. Cashman says Jorge asked out of lineup and he was not told of any injury. I don’t see a problem with that either.
I wish Buster and the boys in the national media would have had the same intensity going after Lackey after he showed up Crawford during the Jays game as they are doing with Jorge, the bias of Fox and ESPN is freaking ridiculous
New Post: “I just sensed that he was frustrated”
Cash and Girardi knew what they were doing when they batted him 9th. You don’t bat someone like him 9th without thinking it over and knowing that it will cause problems. They probably want to light a fire under him and if it doesn’t work then get him to retire on his own.
Ortiz with a pretty strongly worded defense of Posada:
http://www.bostonherald.com/bl.....guy-wrong/
People, get real. Jorge Posada being taken out of a game where he was going to bat 9th for the first time in 12 years is big news. How could Cashman not address that? You saw the speculation that was going on, even on this blog. We were all saying that Jorge was retiring. I see nothing wrong in Cash answering what was a pretty big question. This deal about it being wrong because it was during the game is nonsense.
What is wrong is that Cashman’s answer was not truthful. He explicitly said that it was not injury-related.
Eric Chavez when he returns should get more ab’s……And if Jones doesn’t get his act straighten out then he can go if the club feels that Montero can handle the dh role from the right and more importantly if he can catch a game or two to spell Martin…..It’s time to turn things around though
Wow, I love Jorge no matter what, but that was one of the weirdest press conferences I’ve seen in a long time. I couldn’t decide if he was going to cry, throw up, or go postal.
In all seriousness, though, he looked like a man in some kind of real distress, not one who’s just pouting. No doubt he’s created a problem for the Yankees that they didn’t need to have, but I feel for him.
If I were Jorge I wouldn’t be getting into it with Girardi unless he doesn’t mind missing his head for the next two weeks.
Jorge needs to come down to planet earth, he ain’t what he once was. He’s making real nice money playing for the best organization in baseball. If he doesn’t like how he’s being treated then he can always exit out the back door.
If this were late July, or early August, I would be concerned, but May 14? Are you guys serious?