“I just sensed that he was frustrated”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Podcast on May 14, 2011 
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The line of media outside the Yankees clubhouse tonight looked like a playoff game. I was expecting a strange situation, but it was beyond that.
Jorge Posada said he couldn’t play tonight. He said the reason as a combination of a stiff back and the need to clear his mind. He said the back injury was not significant, but still indicated that it was bad enough that he might have been more seriously injured had he tried to play. He said the back was the reason he sat out, but still talked about the need to clear his head of all the frustration from this season.
Joe Girardi said he only learned of the sore back while he was watching the game from his office after his ejection. Girardi said the pregame conversation with Posada was was extremely short, and Girardi didn’t ask any questions because if Posada needed a day off, Girardi needed to quickly move on to another options.
“I just sensed that he was frustrated,” Girardi said.
Posada was also clearly upset with Brian Cashman for discussing the situation during the game.
I’ll have more later. For now, here’s Posada speaking after the game.
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I know that’ s the way Cashman works now….because he has nobody to answer to. He needs to be put in his place and told that he is not allowed to create strife
Niblick May 14th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
It is apparent that Cashman had a real agenda in going out of his way to tell reporters, during the game, that Posada’s absence was not injury related.
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but Cashman had no idea at the time about Posada’s stiff back.
I wish Buster and the boys in the national media would have had the same intensity going after Lackey after he showed up Crawford during the Jays game as they are doing with Jorge, the bias of Fox and ESPN is freaking ridiculous
What did Cashman say that was untruthful?
Personally, I think Cashman says things in public when they need to be said.
Jeter wants ridiculous amount of money, Cashman says shop his offer. I have no problem with that.
Posada asks out of lineup *coincidentally* the day he is dropped to 9th. Cashman says Jorge asked out of lineup and he was not told of any injury. I don’t see a problem with that either.
Ken Davidoff
Brian Cashman, on Posada’s post-game comments: “It’s disappointing. Jorgie knew what I was going to say, as did his agents.” #Yankees
# Rich in NJ May 14th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Unless you retire on top, like Pettitte, every player is going to go through what Posada is now. It could be Jeter, it could be Mo.
Players don’t give discounts. When you can’t produce, changes have to be made.
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This is the key. Players dont give discounts and as such, they reap what they sow. The special treatment for former stars is the money…..it ends there. the rest is business.
“I wish Buster and the boys in the national media would have had the same intensity going after Lackey after he showed up Crawford during the Jays game as they are doing with Jorge, the bias of Fox and ESPN is freaking ridiculous”
No, if they want to earn their stripes. they need to go back to Ortiz and ask him what his personal investigation into his steroid usage turned up. But they have ignored that.
Cash and Girardi knew what they were doing when they batted him 9th. You don’t bat someone like him 9th without thinking it over and knowing that it will cause problems. They probably want to light a fire under him and if it doesn’t work then get him to retire on his own.
Rich in NJ May 14th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
What did Cashman say that was untruthful?
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A few people, apparently extreme Cashman Haters, think Cashman should not have spoken the truth.
OK, that’ll do it for me. I’m sure Posada-gate will continue…. lol
this season is getting worse by the day….with no end in site
“Cash and Girardi knew what they were doing when they batted him 9th”
They did him a favor. They could have benched him. Posada said it himself a week ago.
# Captain Clutch May 14th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Cash and Girardi knew what they were doing when they batted him 9th. You don’t bat someone like him 9th without thinking it over and knowing that it will cause problems. They probably want to light a fire under him and if it doesn’t work then get him to retire on his own.
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do people think posada just deserves to play the seaosn out because he is posada? if not, then they should realize the yankees shouldnt need any agenda other than doing whats best for the yankees.
Cashman doesnt need to say anything. He didn’t have to tell Jeter via the media to shop his contract. He could have handled things in house. Instead, he choosed to be a jerk.
# 38HotDogs May 14th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
I wish Buster and the boys in the national media would have had the same intensity going after Lackey after he showed up Crawford during the Jays game as they are doing with Jorge, the bias of Fox and ESPN is freaking ridiculous
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Does anyone have video of him doing that? I want to see Lackey go ape sh*t
I dont see what Cashman said wrong.
He said there was no injury…. because Posada didnt mention one.
He said he had no other comment until Posada spoke.
He didnt do anything wrong.
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Mental day off after finding out you were batting 9th?
You make $13 M and this is the 4th year of a contract you held Cashman hostage for and threatened to go to the Mets.
You didnt care about the team then.
He had days off.
Mental day my arse.
KenDavidoff Cashman: “It’s a situation created by Jorgie, and it can be explained only by Jorgie.” #Yankees
KenDavidoff Brian Cashman, on Posada’s post-game comments: “It’s disappointing. Jorgie knew what I was going to say, as did his agents.” #Yankees
“Cash and Girardi knew what they were doing when they batted him 9th. You don’t bat someone like him 9th without thinking it over and knowing that it will cause problems.”
Does it make sense to bat someone batting .160 sixth? Something needed to be done. He needed to be moved down in the order. The fact that his ego couldn’t handle it shouldn’t really be Girardi’s problem.
“Implicit in your point is that if cashman stayed quiet, we would all be lied to and it wouldnt have raised our eyebrows?”
No implicit in my point is MLB players don’t like that crap. Long term, this will effect more than just Posada.
And if any of you have been paying attention Posada is not a quitter. He needed a day off, W%% is the big deal that the GM has to call a press Confrence?
This is Girardi’s team. If Girardi wants to say something, that’s his business. Cashman has no place injecting himself into situations.
How often does Cashman unnecessarily find the need to contradict to the media something that Girardi has previously said to the media
They did him a favor. They could have benched him. Posada said it himself a week ago.
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Agreed…
Real hard to have sympathy for Posada here.
“No implicit in my point is MLB players don’t like that crap. Long term, this will effect more than just Posada.”
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I don’t think MLB players like their teammates quitting on the team an hour before the game.
Nothing we can say will change the eventual outcome of players getting old and staying beyond their baseball life.Out with the old and bring in youth
Jorge should be glad that Girardi & Cashman tried to cover his butt. They could have just come out and said that he threw a tantrum over batting 9th. Instead, they are going with this mental day defense.
Notice how all the media members are going against Posada. Why? Because Jorge’s productivity can be affected on the field. Cashman’s productivity in the front office cannot be affected.
# Captain Clutch May 14th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
KenDavidoff Cashman: “It’s a situation created by Jorgie, and it can be explained only by Jorgie.” #Yankees
KenDavidoff Brian Cashman, on Posada’s post-game comments: “It’s disappointing. Jorgie knew what I was going to say, as did his agents.” #Yankees
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It’s pretty clear the line has been drawn in the sand. The team is in a transition and Cashman isn’t going to play favorites with the core unless they’re producing.
Posada better start hitting in the next week or 2. Otherwise he is going to find himself on the bench more and more until he actually retires. When you are getting paid $13m and hitting like he is you don’t have the right to complain about where you hit in the lineup.
The folks blaming cashman here are the reason posada doesnt get what he deserves here, to be benched. Those same folks are the reason Jeter has the contract he does.
If fans of the Yankees team ca see Posada isnt useful, then rest assured Girardi can see it and Cashman can see it. Posada plays because of fans like all of you (in general) who point fingers at management in defense of the players. Managing/running a team while juggling public sentiment is a nightmare and this team reflects a lot of it.
“I don’t think MLB players like their teammates quitting on the team an hour before the game.”
LGY
I have an idea–you go in the Yankee locker room and call Posada a quitter, and let’s see what happens.
“Cashman doesnt need to say anything. He didn’t have to tell Jeter via the media to shop his contract. He could have handled things in house. Instead, he choosed to be a jerk.”
This is revisionism. Casey Close, Jeter’s agent and who speaks for Jeter, began the exchange by dissing the Yankees’ contract offer even though no other team offered him anything close and the Yankees were willing to vastly overpay him.
beth May 14th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Cashman doesnt need to say anything. He didn’t have to tell Jeter via the media to shop his contract. He could have handled things in house. Instead, he choosed to be a jerk.
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Actually, Cashman had every right to say something after Jeter’s agent said they were “baffled” at the Yankee contract offer that was at least twice what he is worth.
Sometimes atheltes get too full of themselves and need to be called out.
Cashman has gotten too chatty as of late…..There was no need to go to the media about this…I can see Jorge being ticked off
“I have an idea–you go in the Yankee locker room and call Posada a quitter, and let’s see what happens.”
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He will probably tell me 10 different stories about why he asked out of the lineup and then settle on his back being stiff.
Did Cashman seek out the media or did the media seek him out?
# Tar May 14th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
“Implicit in your point is that if cashman stayed quiet, we would all be lied to and it wouldnt have raised our eyebrows?”
No implicit in my point is MLB players don’t like that crap. Long term, this will effect more than just Posada.
And if any of you have been paying attention Posada is not a quitter. He needed a day off, W%% is the big deal that the GM has to call a press Confrence?
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Sorry Tar, gonna disagree here. I think anyone paying attention realizes the story posada told is not the truth. MLB players who pull stunts like this one dont get a say in how they want their GM to act publicly.
If Cashman’s comments to Klapisch are accurate Jorge was fully aware of Cashman going to the media about this.
Look at what Nick Swisher said about being demoted in the lineup:
“If I need to be down there to help this team, I’m going to be there,” Swisher said.
Because Casey Close decides to handle things via the media does not make it right for Cashman to play the same game. 2 wrongs don’t make a right.
For the record, I do not think it is right if Jorge “quit” tonight, nor do I agree with Jeter’s contract. However, there are better ways to handle these things, and Cashman acts unprofessionally. He is the GM of the New York Yankees. The greatest organization in the history of the world, the GM, act with some class.
Carlo
Jorge is batting .150whatever and was just dropped to 9th in the order.
He wanted a freaking day off to clear his head. What is the big deal that made his GM call a PC and throw him under the bus?
AndrewMarchand Cashman also told me that Posada even was handed the phone so he could talk to his agent and understand the situation precisely
AndrewMarchand Cashman just said that he directly told Jorge and his agent what the he was going to say to the media
# Pat M. May 14th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Cashman has gotten too chatty as of late…..There was no need to go to the media about this…I can see Jorge being ticked off
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Pat – its NY, its yankees boston, its 430 pm and a long time core member of the team is batting 9th for the first time in forever……its 6pm and hes scratched with no physical problem. was “no comment” from cashman going to suffice?
“Cashman has gotten too chatty as of late…..There was no need to go to the media about this…I can see Jorge being ticked off”
I don’t understand how people who are on the Internet as much as we are, don’t see how this was something that had to be addressed. There were posts on ESPN.com, MLB.com and CBS Sportsline about Posada being scratched from the lineup. This was a big story. Cash was well within his duty as a GM to address it.
“I have an idea–you go in the Yankee locker room and call Posada a quitter, and let’s see what happens.”
“He will probably tell me 10 different stories about why he asked out of the lineup and then settle on his back being stiff.”
Yeah in between CC and AJ beating your arse.
Cashman needs to get his own reality show. Could make some nice coin off of it.
“Because Casey Close decides to handle things via the media does not make it right for Cashman to play the same game. 2 wrongs don’t make a right.”
This is very naive. First, the Yankees could not afford for their stand on Jeter to be distorted to the fanbase, aka paying customers. It’s business. Second, Hal has said that he approved of every one of Cash’s statements on the negotiations.
Why don’t you hold Jeter to a similar standard? He could have disavowed his agent’s statements, but he didn’t. That means he approved of them.
Cashman had no business answering a reporter’s question by saying, unequivocally, that Jorge’s absence from the lineup was not injury related.
# Tar May 14th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
Carlo
Jorge is batting .150whatever and was just dropped to 9th in the order.
He wanted a freaking day off to clear his head. What is the big deal that made his GM call a PC and throw him under the bus?
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Tar – he didnt want the day off to clear his head until an hour before the game started, roughly 90 minutes after he found out he was batting 9th………and frankly, i dont believe that is how it went down anyway. the back injury is utter nonsense, the mental health day is likely nonsense as well in my eyes,.
Cashman had no business answering a reporter’s question by saying, unequivocally, that Jorge’s absence from the lineup was not injury related.
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Cashman had no business telling the truth???
“Cashman had no business answering a reporter’s question by saying, unequivocally, that Jorge’s absence from the lineup was not injury related.”
So he should lie?
YankeesInk Teix says the lack of scoring RISP was a “testament to Beckett.”
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Can these guys stop fooling themselves? They couldn’t even score runs off Philip Humber, Shawn O’Sullivan, Kyle Davies, Brad Penny, Rick Porcello, Vin Mazarro, etc.
They are simply waiting for A-Rod to get hot and bail them out before they start hitting. Same story every year.
Funny stuff here. Blaming Cashman for Posada’s petty BS. His back is stiff and he might have injured it more by playing ?
He doesn’t play in the field and currently gets less than 1 hit for every 5 AB’s. Is he going to injure himself further in the on deck circle, walking back to the dugout, running the bases ? He is full of it, his wounded pride says it all.
Cashman is a Company man and will do what is best for the Yankees, that’s his job. AC1 had the answer, if his back hurts put him on the DL. A lot of time to get well and ‘clear his head’.
Carlo – apparently everything is nonsense to your near-sighted eyes.
AndrewMarchand Cashman also told me that Posada even was handed the phone so he could talk to his agent and understand the situation precisely
AndrewMarchand Cashman just said that he directly told Jorge and his agent what the he was going to say to the media
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If this is true then there is absolutely no way you can fault Cashman for his actions.
“Cashman had no business answering a reporter’s question by saying, unequivocally, that Jorge’s absence from the lineup was not injury related.”
Are you on meth? I mean, really. I think that there’s something mentally wrong with both you and beth. You are either BOS trolls on here to get your jollies or you are Yankee fans with a mental disorder.
Rich – the point is that Cashman did lie, by saying what he said.
Jack Curry is PAID by the Yankees. He works for their network, so the information he reported (that Jorge threw a hissy fit) obviously is coming from someone very reliable, if not Cashman himself.
“Rich – the point is that Cashman did lie, by saying what he said.”
What was the lie?
LGY: Cashman has no business talking about something without knowing the facts.
Rich – he said, unequivocally, that Jorge’s absence was not injury related. That, my friend, is either a lie or a guy speaking when he shouldn’t, because he didn’t know the facts.
Carlo
We disagree. I will say this, Cashman keeps scewing up like this and CC walks.
The Yankees dont need Cashman playing no piss poor imitation of the Boss. He should stick to being Cashman.
# Niblick May 14th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
Carlo – apparently everything is nonsense to your near-sighted eyes.
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dude, there isnt a single shred of evidence that any of your conjured up posada not being at fault here scenario exists. the back injury was a byproduct of the voiding the contract/ docking pay chatter that heated up and the mental health day was what he and girardi agreed to in an effort to minimize the damage the truth would do.
it doesnt take a genius to understand that posada is to blame here.
“LGY: Cashman has no business talking about something without knowing the facts.”
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He spoke with Posada before addressing the media!!
“Cashman had no business telling the truth???”
Cashman had no business calling a press confrence about a player taking a day off.
Niblick
See LGY’s Marchand link.
“Cashman had no business calling a press confrence about a player taking a day off.”
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Then why didn’t Jorge and his agent tell him that?
This team sucks now. Glad I stopped watching after 0-6
I disagreed with Cashman coming out during the Jeter talks. However, at least it was his place to do so.
He does not have any place going to the media to contradict things that Joe Girardi has previously said re: players’ injuries – as he’s done many times in the past – and he does not have any place seeking out the media as he did tonight. Issues such as injuries and player problems are Joe Girardi’s problems, not Cashmans.
“Then why didn’t Jorge and his agent tell him that?”
I will bet you a lot of people are telling him that right now.
Anyone else think that Cashman (and the rest of the FO) exacerbated this story in order to make Jorge look bad and force him into retirement?
They obviously want to remove him from the lineup and are too afraid to do it themselves. Thus, Girardi batted him 9th, knowing full well how Jorge would react. Posada doesn’t throw a hissy fit, but instead, does exactly what Girardi said that he “needs a day off”. The “day off” is seen as Posada’s negative reaction to batting 9th and Cash saw it as an opportunity to put a little more heat on Posada and perhaps send him a message that he has to produce or he’s gone and will use this incident against him (and if Madden is to be believed, perhaps use this as a way to save themselves some $$$ as well if Jorge refuses to play tomorrow too).
Not saying Cash is lying about anything per se, but the Yanks have always gone to the wall to protect their players. They are now throwing the guy under the bus and running him over and not covering up for him the way they do for most of their players when stuff like this happens.
They might have found this as a convenient way to put Posada in a corner and get some control back over him.
Tar May 14th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
Carlo
We disagree. I will say this, Cashman keeps scewing up like this and CC walks.
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screwing up like what? telling the media that a guy removed himself from the lineup with no injury and said guy would speak to the media later and explain………and then said guy lies to the media and conjures up a manny ramirezesque injury?
CC wont give a flying sht how cashman handles posada. i mean lets be realistic, if cc learned anything about cashman this year its that he’ll pay title winning yankees 2-3x what anyone else would.
The way the Yankees are hitting they all should be batting 9th, except Grandy.
And put Jones at DH and sit Posada. Big upgrade.
“I will bet you a lot of people are telling him that right now.”
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So Cashman speaks with Jorge and his agent to find out what’s going on, tells them he is going to address the media and exactly what he is going to say, but after the fact it’s not ok?
Come on.
BryanHoch David Ortiz chimes in on Posada: “I’m going to tell you what I think, they’re doing that guy wrong.” Papi thinks Posada should be catching.
This isn’t the Royals or the Pirates where if one of their players did this no one would care. This is the New York Yankees and a former all star type player. Posada knew what Cashman was going to say and as the gm of this team he was doing his job. It isn’t his fault that Posada changed the story to make himself look better. All of the people saying that this is Cashman’s fault sound so stupid.
The GM has no business talking about who is in the lineup and who isn’t. Last time I checked, that was the manager’s job, not the GM’s.
Cashman either fancies himself as a super-manager, or is so eager for personal publicity that he can’t stop himself.
Fact is, he simply did not tell the truth about why Jorge was out of the lineup. But, as Jorge alluded to, that’s the way he works now.
“BryanHoch David Ortiz chimes in on Posada: “I’m going to tell you what I think, they’re doing that guy wrong.” Papi thinks Posada should be catching.”
But what did Ortiz have to say about his own steroid usage?
Niblick May 14th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Cashman had no business answering a reporter’s question by saying, unequivocally, that Jorge’s absence from the lineup was not injury related.
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Cashman has become a complete a s s h o l e. His passive aggressive act is tired. I’m sick of the Binder Boy too. Chuck them both out.
Tony Pena for manager.
“screwing up like what?”
Carlo
Read Yank 97 above post. it’s a good read
The great milkshake drinker chimes in with his big mouth
BryanHoch Bryan Hoch
David Ortiz chimes in on Posada: “I’m going to tell you what I think, they’re doing that guy wrong.” Papi thinks Posada should be catching.
I’m sure every team in the league wishes he was catching – nice observation, now get back to tracking down the mystery milkshake ingredients
Yank 97. Of course, that is exactly what Cashman has in mind.
# ET May 15th, 2011 at 12:02 am
BryanHoch David Ortiz chimes in on Posada: “I’m going to tell you what I think, they’re doing that guy wrong.” Papi thinks Posada should be catching.
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host your press conference and come clean you fat juiced up motherfckr, then you can opine on how we do things.
And now Ortiz is chiming in trying to make the Yankees organization look bad. When in actuality, the only bad guy in the yankees front office is Cashman
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BryanHoch David Ortiz chimes in on Posada: “I’m going to tell you what I think, they’re doing that guy wrong.” Papi thinks Posada should be catching.
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Papi is also one of the dumbest human beings alive… and we don’t need to go into “doing wrong” with him.
Did Papi talk about Posadas issues with concussions?
beth,
This wasn’t an injury though and Cashman was not going to let Jorge off the hook by allowing him to fabricate one.
If people want to blame Cashman, it is for not partaking in Posada’s spin and making Posada be accountable for a selfish action.
Jorge was caught off guard by Cashman, perhaps, and thought that he and Girardi would let it slide and spin on his behalf as well.
“Fact is, he simply did not tell the truth about why Jorge was out of the lineup. But, as Jorge alluded to, that’s the way he works now.”
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So Cashman is supposed to be a mind reader now?
Cashman is a liar unless he reads Jorge’s mind?
Everytime I get into something they start another thread!
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If I were Jorge I wouldn’t be getting into it with Girardi unless he doesn’t mind missing his head for the next two weeks.
Jorge needs to come down to planet earth, he ain’t what he once was. He’s making real nice money playing for the best organization in baseball. If he doesn’t like how he’s being treated then he can always exit out the back door.
If this were late July, or early August, I would be concerned, but May 14? Are you guys serious?
Cashman is the best thing this organization has.
“So Cashman speaks with Jorge and his agent to find out what’s going on, tells them he is going to address the media and exactly what he is going to say, but after the fact it’s not ok?
Come on.”
You ever get called in to meeting with the boss? Did you try to tell him what to do? How far did you get?
Ortiz also said this
Asked about Posada telling Yankees manager Joe Girardi to take him out of the lineup before tonight’s game, Ortiz said it wasn’t something Posada should have done.
“No, you don’t do that,” Ortiz said. “But that’s what I’m trying to tell you. It’s frustration that you’re living through that sometimes makes you make mistakes. He’s not perfect. He’s a human just like everyone else. He probably thinks it was the right thing to do, but now you see it ain’t. He’s a good hitter. He’s going through some tough times right now, but he’s better than that.”
Sorry, Beth is dumber than Ortiz.
But in a shocking coincidence, the pea-brains are in agreement.
“You ever get called in to meeting with the boss? Did you try to tell him what to do? How far did you get?”
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Considering Jorge blasted Cashman in his press conference, does it seem to you like he has much of an issue speaking his mind to his boss?
# Tar May 15th, 2011 at 12:03 am
“screwing up like what?”
Carlo
Read Yank 97 above post. it’s a good read
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I read it. Its a good read, but I prefer nonfiction. Look, the conspiracy theorists are more than welcome to come out in full force to defend the core 4 versus management who has paid them hundreds of millions and should protect them from embarrassing tantrums, but it doesn’t change facts/reality.
Posada was playing at 4:30, penned in at 9th….at 6pm, he wasnt because he had mental health issues…….at 11pm, he found out his back hurt.
I think what happened tonight shows everyone why Jeter is batting leadoff and answers the question on if they would consider trying to move him down. After this crap Jeter is there to stay and the Yanks would never think about attempting it.
LGY – Cashman answered incorrectly.
“After this crap Jeter is there to stay and the Yanks would never think about attempting it.”
They can’t be that dumb.
Girardi was very agitated and was careful with his words. He couldn’t have done a worse job of hiding his frustration and danced his way around every question and didn’t even give his usual cliched answers.
He did a good job though. He can’t shoot from the hip like Cash because he has to worry about the other 24 guys in the clubhouse. But if you saw Girardi’s PC as anything but forced spin, you are fooling yourself.
How are your Celtics, Boston Dave?
“LGY – Cashman answered incorrectly.”
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Please.
If you actually believe Jorge has “back stiffness” I have a bridge to sell you.
beth May 15th, 2011 at 12:04 am
And now Ortiz is chiming in trying to make the Yankees organization look bad. When in actuality, the only bad guy in the yankees front office is Cashman
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Girardi is also utterly disrespectful. How about sitting Posada down & explaining to him that you’re batting him 9th to take the pressure off & to give guys a little more on it at the moment some extra PAs. You don’t stick his name on the lineup card & let him discover it without explication, like Joe Torre did to Arod. This after Girardi gave BS lip service to supporting Posada.
I see through him & that petty little eunuch GM with the Napoleonic complex.
It’s not Cashman’s place to deal with player issues. That’s Joe Girardi’s job. Cashman is an assclown, like Boston Dave (cheering the Yankees and the celtics)
Posada is 0-24 vs. LHP and one of the best is on the mound tomorrow night
Would be a strange coincidence if he sat. And if Girardi/Cash force him into the lineup, it would mean his hissy fit worked, to the detriment of the team considering his ineptitude against lefties.
Did Girardi post the lineup without explaining it???? Or is this just an assumption?? Girardi has always said he tells players days in advance of moves (like rest days etc) what makes you think he didnt tell Posada? He said last night changes might be made, you think he simply made them without telling Posada?
Ledger_Yankees Cash on his comments: “He and his representatives were aware and he had nine innings to come up with how he was going to explain himself.”
“# Carlo May 14th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
The folks blaming cashman here are the reason posada doesnt get what he deserves here, to be benched. Those same folks are the reason Jeter has the contract he does.
If fans of the Yankees team ca see Posada isnt useful, then rest assured Girardi can see it and Cashman can see it. Posada plays because of fans like all of you (in general) who point fingers at management in defense of the players. Managing/running a team while juggling public sentiment is a nightmare and this team reflects a lot of it.
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I agree and applaud Cashman. He’s in a tough spot, b/c he can’t run this team like any other GM in baseball and just move on with youth….he gets pressured to appease veteran ‘legacy’ players…..I wish they would just let him be the cold blooded GM, we would have more than 1 title since 2000
Cashman did the right thing with Jeter and with Posada. The players don’t run the team, management does and Cashman is part of managemnt.
Cashman told jeter to look elsewhere if he didn’t like the contract offer and now he has called Posada on his BS injury excuse.
Posada said he needs to talk to his wife, about him being an ars ? If Posada has so many issues he can talk to his wife then come to the ballpark tomorrow and announce his retirement just like Mike Schmidt did when he knew the game had passed him by.
I must confess, I am actually shocked so many people are buying the Posada side of this nonsense.
Frankly, it is very unsettling. Not because i care specifically about this issue, but literally its is fans like those of you who are jumping on Cashman that hold this team back. The fans that get jeter his extra two years and $30 million. the fans that believe jeter should always bat at the top of the order because he earned the respect. the fans who think posada should have been given this 4th year when he showed his loyalty and was willing to go to the mets. fans of this ilk pressure management into making garbage decisions to the detriment of the team. you are dangerous.
“Girardi is also utterly disrespectful. How about sitting Posada down & explaining to him that you’re batting him 9th to take the pressure off & to give guys a little more on it at the moment some extra PAs.”
How do you know that he didn’t?
“Considering Jorge blasted Cashman in his press conference, does it seem to you like he has much of an issue speaking his mind to his boss?”
You didn’t answer the questions LGY so I will assume the answer is no you haven’t been in that situation before.
I never said Jorge was afraid to speak his mind, Just that in that situation the “imitation Boss” was going to do what he was going to do regardless of what Jorge said.
On issues like this, Girardi will simply do what the higher-ups tell him to, like any manager would (except Toe Jorre, maybe).
Bottom line – Posada has nowhere to hide now. He needs to do the smart, mature thing and admit his mistake and promise it won’t happen again.
Wow, people are none too bright.
Here’s what seems likely: Posada’s been probably playing through some discomfort & back stiffness. He walks in, sees his name in the nine spot, no heads up from his manager & former mentor, just a cold bald lineup card posted with his name dead last.
Posada thinks: “Bleep it. I’m in pain, I’m hitting for s***, but I’m busting it. This creep writes my name in the nine spot & says nothing, this after all those phony fighting words about how he’s gonna support me yada yada. I even thank him for sticking by me and this…? Bleep your a**. “
“I see through him & that petty little eunuch GM with the Napoleonic complex.”
Cash used to be a porn star. Just sayin’.
I’m curious to see if Girardi pencils him in the 9th spot again or gives in to the pressure.
The funny part is that he contributed to the spin by saying he understood batting 9th and he put himself in that position himself, before the game. Then he decides.. “hmm… no wait it’s not OK batting 9th! I’m Jorge Posada. I’m going to give Joe a piece of my mind!!!”
Cashman was right to take a stand against Jeter in contract talks.
Why confuse front office management with daily player activity management?
Cashman is in charge of front office dealings. Joe Girardi deals with the day-to-day operations of the players. That’s the way it should be.
# Captain Clutch May 15th, 2011 at 12:13 am
Ledger_Yankees Cash on his comments: “He and his representatives were aware and he had nine innings to come up with how he was going to explain himself.”
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Oh boy oh boy them are fighting words
Beth,
I couldn’t sink to your level if I tried.
Find someone else to ridicule you.
Amusing fan fiction J Alfred
“Posada thinks: “Bleep it. I’m in pain, I’m hitting for s***, but I’m busting it. This creep writes my name in the nine spot & says nothing, this after all those phony fighting words about how he’s gonna support me yada yada. I even thank him for sticking by me and this…? Bleep your a**. “”
So what about Posada, after the lineup was announced, telling the media that he put himself in the position to where Joe had to bat him 9th and he seemed OK with it?
What changed?
# Tar May 15th, 2011 at 12:14 am
“Considering Jorge blasted Cashman in his press conference, does it seem to you like he has much of an issue speaking his mind to his boss?”
You didn’t answer the questions LGY so I will assume the answer is no you haven’t been in that situation before.
I never said Jorge was afraid to speak his mind, Just that in that situation the “imitation Boss” was going to do what he was going to do regardless of what Jorge said.
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you’ve never heard of a player talking himself into a lineup when a manager/coach planned to sit him?
Now you know how a rod felt under torre ass. And he sucked it up.
Why wouldn’t Girardi tell Posada beforehand about hitting 9th?
He always talks to his players about the lineup.
Cashman didn’t have to give a interview during the game. And if this game was televised on YES, he would not have given an interview.
Ledger_Yankees “I don’t know anything about the chiropractor.” – Cashman
beth May 15th, 2011 at 12:11 am
It’s not Cashman’s place to deal with player issues. That’s Joe Girardi’s job. Cashman is an assclown, like Boston Dave (cheering the Yankees and the celtics)
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Girardi deals with on field issues, he is the field manager. Cashman deals with player issues, like call ups, discipline, contracts, players not fulfilling their contracts (BS’ing an injury cuz his pride is hurt batting 9th) Why do you think Cashman called Posada’s agent ?
Who BD cheers for has no relevance to this discussion.
Here is the REAL version of events. Girardi tells Posada and Swisher he is moving them down in the lineup to let them clear their minds. Posada, having not batted 9th since like 1998 or whenever, grits his teeth and says ok. he tells the media he deserves it and has to hit his way out of 9th. Every hour to game time eats at him more and finally he says,”No way I aint batted 9th since whenever Im gonna show them what happens when they bat me 9th I’m not even playing how about THAT?”
“Posada thinks: “Bleep it. I’m in pain, I’m hitting for s***, but I’m busting it. This creep writes my name in the nine spot & says nothing”
From May 7th:
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....er_jo.html
Jorge Posada’s latest 0-for-3 performance dropped his batting average to .149. But before he came to the visiting clubhouse after the Yankees’ 4-1 victory against the Rangers, Posada sought out manager Joe Girardi.
“Thank you for sticking with me,” Posada told the manager, who responded by offering reassurance to the 39-year-old catcher turned designated hitter.
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So let me get this straight. Last week, he was grateful for remaining in the lineup. Now, he’s indignant because he’s still in the lineup.
Got it.
“Wow, people are none too bright.”
Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Boston Dave is an assclown, a loser, a bum. Guy wouldn’t know how to be a true fan if he fell over a true fan.
When a player sits out a game because of an issue with the manager, it is an issue with the manager. MANAGER
Who BD cheers for goes to his lack of integrity. Therefore, it does have relevance. Can’t take the words of someone lacking integrity with anything more than a grain of salt.
I watched Mantle slowly disintegrate before my eyes; it is not a pretty sight.
Jorge Posada has been a Yankee legend for a long time now, I just hope he doesn’t ruin the great vibes he has built up by trying to go on too long, and fouling it up with a lot of nonsense arguing with management.
A-Rod, at that point in his life, had no leg to stand on to complain about batting 8th. He was coming off the worst season of his career and was another no-show in the playoffs as he had been the previous ALDS and the 04 ALCS.
Torre had the public/fan support to pull off such a move. Cashman, in this case, has the credibility because Jorge isn’t hitting and is known to be a hothead and was caught changing his story.
# beth May 15th, 2011 at 12:20 am
Boston Dave is an assclown, a loser, a bum. Guy wouldn’t know how to be a true fan if he fell over a true fan.
When a player sits out a game because of an issue with the manager, it is an issue with the manager. MANAGER
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No Larry – its an issue with the team, the organization, the manager, and the fans. In the case, said player is playing horribly so its less of a disappointment for the fans when said player throws tantrum and opts out.
“# Carlo May 15th, 2011 at 12:14 am
I must confess, I am actually shocked so many people are buying the Posada side of this nonsense.
Frankly, it is very unsettling. Not because i care specifically about this issue, but literally its is fans like those of you who are jumping on Cashman that hold this team back. The fans that get jeter his extra two years and $30 million. the fans that believe jeter should always bat at the top of the order because he earned the respect. the fans who think posada should have been given this 4th year when he showed his loyalty and was willing to go to the mets. fans of this ilk pressure management into making garbage decisions to the detriment of the team. you are dangerous.
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yep this has been bothering me a while on how the team is run…any other team doesn’t have to deal w/ this BS…Boston lets Manny and Damon go, etc…….the Jeter deal is the worst, ‘his name value’ won’t mean much if the team is sitting in 4th place and not other team was going to offer even close to the Yanks offer…..he should have gotten less than 10 mil a year for no more than 2 years
Maybe Posada coudn’t bat 9th ‘cos he can’t concentrate about anything, all he can think about is It Girl Pippa Middleton. He finally realized it and begged out of the lineup for the good of the team.
Beth,
You might want to work on your own reputation, as one of the biggest nuisances on the blog, and stop worrying about how I’m perceived.
This is not about playing time or where you bat in the order.
If Cashman called a press confrence and said that he was benching Posada, I would have no problem with it.
This is about Posada needing a day off. For whatever reason.
This is about the ‘imitation Boss” calling out, and throwing one of his VETERAN players under the bus.
This is about Cashman hurting the team much more than a day off from a DH hitting .150.
If Posada simply said, “I needed to clear my head. Not about hitting 9th, but just about the whole season and how badly I’m going, it just got to me today. I shouldn’t have let it, but it did. I’m sorry I let my team down and I’m going to do everything I can to contribute to the team from here on,” I would have been OK with it. It’s what certainly looks like a feeble back injury story that really pisses me off. Man up to what you did, don’t hide behind the back stiffened up nonsense. Now, if his back really was bothering him, I don’t see why he would have kept that a secret, or why he would have added the bit about needing to clear his head. It just seems like a pathetic move, and makes it hard to trust him.
AndrewMarchand Cashman just said that he directly told Jorge and his agent what the he was going to say to the media
ndrewMarchand Cashman also told me that Posada even was handed the phone so he could talk to his agent and understand the situation precisely
LGY. I don’t need your stinkin bridges.
Cashman was out of line in talking during the game about a player’s absence from the lineup. He’s the GM. And his answer about why Jorge was out was untruthful.
This year, Cashman seems to have gone off the deep end – scaling skyscrapers, doing the bartender thing in funky getup, and blabbing uncontrollably about the Yankees. He seems to have lost all sense of discipline and professionalism. Perhaps it’s because he knows this will be his last year, and he just doesn’t give a ____ about the team’s success any more. He just wants to pretend to assert control over every aspect of it.
I only care about how you’re perceived because you are a worthless swine celtics “fan”
I don’t see how Posada could have back problems tonight that “could have led to something more serious if he had played”, but tomorrow be ready to hit John Lester.
I’m thinking DL and Montero.
F it re posada.
In other news, i have calmed down and no longer hope we get swept tomorrow. instead i am hopeful we can start playing like our baseball cards and less like sht tards and jumpstart a 12-4 stretch tomorrow.
A-Rod, at that point in his life, had no leg to stand on to complain about batting 8th. He was coming off the worst season of his career and was another no-show in the playoffs as he had been the previous ALDS and the 04 ALCS.
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.290 .392 .523 .914 ?? A-rod
2005 ALDS .133 .435 .200 .635 <— they pitched around him the entire series
2004 ALDS .421 .476 .737 1.213
2004 ALCS .258 .378 .516 .895 <– Had a 1 OPS first 3 games
Torre had no leg to stand on to bat A-rod 8th.
So Jorge Posada’s father says this a few hours ago. His father.
JackCurryYES Jack Curry
Jorge Posada, Sr. said his that his son should have agreed to play, even if it meant hitting 9th. “Sometimes, athletes have a bad decision.”
But Jorge was out of the lineup because of back stiffness?
lol. It seems like Laura and Jorge were the only ones privy to this “back stiffness” that propped up around the 7th inning tonight.
The really bad issue is that the team is 3 for 11 and all the focus is on Posada. The focus by the players should be on playing the game and leave their egos in the locker. Enough. Get back to basics and start with quality at bats. This playing to their stats is where the problem began originally.
This is a classic case of a player refusing to face reality. Extorted one extra year and is reaping the results. He is having his breakdown mentally and physically on the big stage. Stay tuned for Jeter and A Rod. A Rod’s contract is really going to start getting ugly.
Jorge Posada has been a Yankee legend for a long time now, I just hope he doesn’t ruin the great vibes he has built up by trying to go on too long, and fouling it up with a lot of nonsense arguing with management.
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Ruin what. Who wants losers without talent who always line up behind management in your corner any way.
Posada’s likely going to the Hall of Fame.
Cashman and Girardi can go to hell.
There’s a lot about Cashman I don’t like. A lot. But I don’t get why some are saying he was untruthful here. Unless you buy this back stiffness story, which seems pretty absurd.
Tomorrow’s game should be a lot of fun. Lester on the mound who the Yanks never touch and listening to the ESPN minions who hate the Yanks talk about the Posada issue for 4 hours. I think tomorrow’s game will definitely have to be watched on mute.
Glad I taped this game and watched it tonight…..I found myself fast forwarding faster and faster as the game went on….
Not sure what to say about the Posada situation….it’ll sort itself out but it was strange how it played out.
Going to bed to try and forget this game.
“# Nick in SF May 15th, 2011 at 12:23 am
Maybe Posada coudn’t bat 9th ‘cos he can’t concentrate about anything, all he can think about is It Girl Pippa Middleton. He finally realized it and begged out of the lineup for the good of the team.
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feel free to provide a link w/ a better angle of that boat pic
jacksquat May 15th, 2011 at 12:26 am
I don’t see how Posada could have back problems tonight that “could have led to something more serious if he had played”, but tomorrow be ready to hit John Lester.
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Lester is lefty.
Posada is 0-24 versus lefties this year, a record actually for a Yankee to start a season.
So, your statement is somewhat incorrect. He would be ready to hit versus lester, just healthy enough to stand in the batters box like he did the other 24 times.
This slump is no different than any other team goes through at least once a year. Boston and Tampa had theirs at the beginning of the season. Toronto and Detroit had theirs start about 4 weeks ago. St. Louis and Atlanta had theirs about 3 weeks ago. The Yanks are having theirs now.
Every team has at least one and maybe two a season.
I’m not concerned about it in the middle of May. If the Yankees are 2 games down on the last day of the season, then, maybe I’ll be concerned. It’s a game….not life and death.
“AndrewMarchand Cashman just said that he directly told Jorge and his agent what the he was going to say to the media”
Criticism of Cashman needs to be viewed as a projective psychological test. IOW, it reveals more about the person making the criticisms than it does about Cashman.
Not that he doesn’t have faults, but that has to do with giving more young players an extended opportunity.
Girardi is nothing more then a lying sack of crap. The sooner he and Posada and Jeter are gone the better.
“Who wants losers without talent who always line up behind management in your corner any way.”
Oh jeez. Rinse. Repeat.
Goodness…if we had this kind of media attention and questioning on the real estate crisis and economic recession we made not be in such a bad spot in this country….I was waiting for a reporter to ask Posada at what time did he think his mind would be cleared and if he might still be mad at Cashman tomorrow….I know the media has a job to do but what exactly is that job as I really don’t need to know the answers to those questions…..my bottom line is the Yankees are looking terrible, not hitting at all, letting the Red Sox get confident and maybe to .500 tomorrow night, and I think we need a shake-up with Montero, Maxwell, and Vazquez from the minors…the NY media loves this stuff, they eat it alive and why I’m not sure unless the fans really care about……and of course Ortiz wants Posada to catch, he wants to get a steal a base or 2……
The inmates running the asylum, yeah right sure thing.
There is no way that Cashman should allow Posada to steamroll him or Girardi with the childish BS that he is pulling.
A 15 DL stint for him to ‘clear his head’ and have his back get straightened out.
It”s real simple
Cashman could have had Jorge’s back, or throw him under the bus.
Which would have been better for the NY Yankees?
I know what my answer is.
For Cash to have Posada’s back, Posada would have had to have told him about the back. No pun intended.
You think Jeter, Mariano, or Andy are happy with the way that Jorge is being treated? If he gets released or something, there is going to be a very unhappy clubhouse. The guy may be a prick, but the clubhouse obviously cares for him a lot as the team leader. They probably would take his side over Cashman’s 10 times out of 10 and probably will buy Posada’s version of the story and have major trust issues with the Yanks after this.
And good luck to .772 OPS in AAA Montero replacing a legend.
ofcourse players will side w/ players…but that’s not how you run a team
“Cashman could have had Jorge’s back…”
No more back references, please, without tweet confirmation.
Rich
Dosen’t matter, he could have taken the high road. He certainly did not do that.
The kind of crap that went on tonight is howthe Sox do business not the Yankees.
“# beth May 14th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
He could have handled things in house. Instead, he choosed to be a jerk.”
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beth…. maybe you should “choosed” to worry about fixing the ongoing battle that takes place every day in your brain… attempting to complete sentences and rational thoughts without it exploding, instead of worrying about which sports teams I am a fan of.
But since you’re keeping track, I like the chicago bears and penn state as well.
didnt russel martin replace the legend? i dont jnow if you wished him luck, but he seems to be doing fine.
Cashman could have had Jorge’s back, or throw him under the bus.
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When a gm, player and agent agree on what is going to be said to the media and then 4 hours later the player changes his story it’s kind of hard to blame the gm.
I’m wondering if there is something deeper going on with this than just this game, and Posada asking out of the game tonight.
Posada has been struggling at the plate, and given his personality, would it really shock anyone that he is being vocal about things in the clubhouse? This team just doesn’t look all that great and clubhouse issues could be something that is showing up some out on the field.
This might just be a glimpse of some of the internal turmoil going on.
Posada probably never really wanted to be DH, especially when you look at the comments he had made last season about him being a catcher.
Posada could be something of a poison pill right now, and the lineup move to 9th might have brought it to a head.
I could see him accepting batting 9th, then thinking about it some, and looking at some of the others who are not exactly ripping it at the plate, and it getting under his skin.
I also think that a lot more got said than was talked about, but Girardi wasn’t going to air any of that to the outside. He doesn’t work that way.
CC looked pretty upset during his talk with the press. His eyes looked a bit teary.
Dealing with players like Posada and Jeter that are declining in their skills, yet will have a tough time seeing it for themselves, is not an easy task. Given the personality of Posada, I can see him lashing out against those who are being frank with him.
There has to have been some pretty tough words from Posada though, for Cashman to have gone to his agent about what was going to be said.
But “having Jorge’s back” in this scenario is perpetuating his lie.
Why not make him accountable for his actions? He made an ill-advised move. Make him explain himself and don’t give him a way out of it. It is also about setting a precedent.
Tar
Apparently, Cash discussed what was going to happen with Posada and his agent beforehand.
I think the high road has been to keep Posada in the lineup despite his horrendous season.
I don’t understand how anyone could expect more from them.
I’m starting to think that A-Rod is going to handle his decline better than Posada and Jeter. I certainly would not have thought that a few years ago.
Yogi Mantle,
there is probably some truth to what you wrote.
unfortunately…
The question is how much longer this p.issing match will go on between Cash and Jorge. Cash basically portrayed Jorge as a liar. Jorge fired some shots at Cashman and his “way of doing things”. Cash responded by saying Jorge and his people knew everything and there was no back issue. Does Jorge continue it through the media or does he try and apologize and let it go?
“Dealing with players like Posada and Jeter that are declining in their skills, yet will have a tough time seeing it for themselves, is not an easy task. Given the personality of Posada, I can see him lashing out against those who are being frank with him.”
Again, only last week he said that he would understand if Girardi didn’t stick with him.
“The kind of crap that went on tonight is howthe Sox do business not the Yankees.”
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You’re right.
I expected Posada to handle this situation with more professionalism. Instead he acted like a Red Sox player. Like Manny.
The good news is that Bobby Valentine and Orel Hershiser will have much to say on this topic.
Back from the game. Never knew 6-0 could be so exciting.
If I were to take a guess – having zero idea what happened in that clubhouse- I’d guess that jorge’s head is all over the place. He’s depressed, frustrated, and anxious that he’s going to end his very successful MLB career as a stiff.
And now he’s batting 9th, and he knows he’s there on merit.
So, he goes out to take a few plays at first, cause with Chavez out he has to be ready. And maybe he feels a little stiff. So he thinks, great, I’m totally falling apart , and feels even more sorry for himself.
So, bow he starts to think about packing it in, right then and there.
Catch- that leaves the team, Joe and Cash very shorthanded, and at the last minute before a game with a division rival and with the team playing poorly. (Gee, I wonder why those two guys aren’t smiling?)
So now Cash has to find jorge’s agent to talk some sense onto him. And, with all this going on, there’s only about 5,000 media types hanging around for the FOX game, all asking what’s going on. What’s cashman supposed to do, lie thru his teeth when they’re all going to find out soon?
So, Cash figures- just like we all would when suddenly handed this mess- Jorge started this mess tonight, let him clean it up.
I think all will be forgiven, in the end. But these are all very high testosterone guys. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Jorge does some quiet apologizing to the team tomorrow, for being a distraction.
There’s no defense for Jorge Posada here.
He quit on the team in a game we needed to win vs. the Red Sox tonight.
I don’t buy the back thing at all.
The Yankees should DL him for his “back” injury and send him on his merry way collecting the money he used the Mets to extort from the Yankees 4 years ago.
Jorge’s been a great player but all the rumors about his attitude came to light tonight for all of us to see.
The best thing to do is get him out of the clubhouse as he will polute it if he doesn’t like the way anything is handled.
I’m furious with this team, with the ridiculous performance of Tex, Arod, Swisher, etc.
But Jorge took the cake tonight.
There was no mention of any back issue. He pulled out of a game 1 hour before it and never told a soul he was “hurting” and now is lying to the fans about some phantom injury to save face.
I didn’t buy it and it didn’t work for me.
As for this team, it’s free falling right now and maybe if some of these overpaid prima donna’s showed up to hit once in the past 3 weeks this drama wouldn’t be overtaking the clubhouse.
Disgraceful.
What kind of s*** is that. Becket didn’t ride his fb. He got them out with cutters & changups. He’s smart enough to know he can survive on his heater & spotted it carefully. I give that jerk credit for finding a new way to compete, but being a team in a horrendous slump made him look much better. Tex is just awful. I’m hoping that meaningless hit late over 2B gets him going. It’s the most level swing I’ve seen from him in days. Maybe it carries over. God knows he’ll never be moved from the 3 spot, so he’d better start hitting.
Everybody’s talking about how Posada made a false move he’ll regret. But Girardi & Cashman may have really p i s s e d off the players. They’re all in the same union. Players aren’t pro management, they’re thick as thieves, no matter what BS they feed the media. Girardi may be the one to lose out in the long run.
At this point Posada should just claim mental stress then shut his mouth and play baseball. As some doofus said “Sack up”. It’s a team sport. Endit.
can’t survive…
I don’t understand. The Yankees overpay aging players and keep playing them even when they are declining. Do they have to keep them in a given lineup spot as well?
Yogi,
Excellent post. This really started when Girardi took over. A game in Houston, Posada had looked awful behind the plate early that season, and he replaced him in-game by Molina. Then the next 2 years, he turned him into a part time catcher in the postseason by pairing Molina with Burnett, portraying it like Jorge was the problem.
Then this year, the GM makes him give up his passion of being a C. Now, at the end of his career when he should be on his retirement tour enjoying his final season, he has to deal with all the agitation of learning a new position that he wants no part of. Now, he goes through a couple weeks of struggles (and EVERYONE has been awful except Grandy) and he is batting 9th? Behind guys like Gardner, Tex, Jeter, and Swisher?
I can see why he would be upset. Guys making a lot more money and who are hitting higher in the order (Cano, Tex, ARod, Swisher) are doing absolutely nothing and Posada is the one who gets thrown under the bus.
Jeter is his best friend. Jeter/Posada are the leaders of the team. They will not allow themselves to be treated like the way they have without going down without a fight. The clubhouse has their back and they know it.
Ledger_Yankees
Cash on Posada’s back: “I know that our two trainers know nothing about it and our team doctor knows nothing about it.”
Why is Tex getting a free pass?
Swisher?
Cano, the team’s best player who looks like he did in 2008 lackadaisical?
“Girardi may be the one to lose out in the long run.”
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Girardi just signed a 3 year extension.
Posada is gone at the end of the season (at the latest).
Rich
I don’t see it as much of a discussion. I see it as Cashman “ala the Boss” telling Posada and his agent what he was going to say.
What is Jorge going to do, beg Cashman not to have a PC. Not his style.
I keep asking myself how did Cashman help the Yankees tonight? The only thing I come up with is he is trying to dump Jorge and the rest of his contract and needs ammunition.
IMO it tarnishes the Yankee image ( or brand ) to treat veterans like that. It just was not necessary.
I’m out– have a good night
I am not looking forward to the day that the Yanks will have to address a .200 hitting Jeter batting leadoff or even playing everyday. It will be an absolute circus and a giant distraction to the team. Good luck with that one Girardi and Cash.
Posada said he was surprised Cashman had spoken to the media during the game.
“I didn’t know he made a statement. I don’t know why he’s going to make a statement during the game, in the middle of the game. I don’t understand that. You know, so that’s the way he works now,” Posada said.
When asked if he was mad at Cashman, Posada replied: “Well, We’ll see. I think we should have waited for the game to be over to talk to whoever’s doing the game. It’s kind of like, you’re not supposed to do that.”
Posada told reporters after the game that he had also suffered a back injury. But Cashman said before the game that Posada had not suffered an injury.
G Love – I like your fire. Well said.
Girardi just signed a new extension and Cashman/Hal love him.
Can’t say the same about their feelings towards Jorge.
Girardi will win this battle. This is his team – he is the boss and the players do what he says. If anything, he has shown he is too loyal and too slow to make moves. He doesn’t panic, he gives players ample time to prove their worth. Maybe some spoiled, entitled players won’t understand that, but rational ones will.
Didn’t hear a peep from A-Rod, a player 10x better than Jorge ever was, complaining about batting 8th in a playoff game. Don’t take on management in the media.
“The players are gonna have their backs!!!” is a fantasy dreamed up by those who are anti-team/anti-management
Tar
But from the available facts, he told the truth.
I understand Posada’s plight, but I also understand the Yankees’ response.
Meanwhile., the team sucks and they should probably not show anyone any deference that isn’t producing at a high level.
I really felt for Cashman during those Tampa faction years. Felt he was being compromised and set up.
I see he learned the lessons well doled out by his tormentors.
Now he’s as sleazy as they were.
Good job, Cash.
You suck.
If you were paying Jorge Posada 13 million dollars this season to play and you gave him a starting role with no competition and while struggling mightily he popped off to the press and David Ortiz about not liking his role that he is being paid through the nose for and then one night 60 mins before game time against a division rival pulled himself out of the game with no injury how would you feel?
I think the Yankee front office is livid with him and I think they have a right to be livid with him.
He owed the team, his teammates and the Yankee fans an apology tonight. Instead, we got PR face saving spin.
The best thing for Posada is to hit the DL and keep seeing his chiropractor to try to convince us all he hurt his back.
I like Mr. Prufrock’s angry, unhinged suggestion to make Tony Pena the new manager.
It reminds me to point out that firetonypena.com is still available.
And if you google ‘firetonypena.com is still available’ you can see all the other times I’ve said that.
G.Love- I think you’re a little strong on swish, Alex and Tex, I can believe they’re trying and just slumping.
But you’re right, Jorge thought if himself instead of the team. That’s what probably really steaming Joe and Cash. They’re showing that they value their credibility, and aren’t about to sacrifice it and their standing in the baseball world to Jorge’s ego.
That may have been on Cash’s mind when he called Jorge’s agent- if you’re client is retiring, then file the paperwork. If not, tell him to get his head on straight, or face the consequences. The Yankees run a big business, and this isn’t how to be professional.
I keep asking myself how did Cashman help the Yankees tonight? The only thing I come up with is he is trying to dump Jorge and the rest of his contract and needs ammunition.
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No s***??
Tar FTW.
Smartest post of the night.
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I’m out, too.
The Yankees veterans don’t realize how good they have it with this organization. If they were on the Sox Jeter would be bating 9th and Posada would be on the bench. Then again Posada would of only gotten a 2-3 year contract so he would be retired right now. There isn’t any other team that hands out an extra year or 2 because the player cries about it and the team respects them.
“Meanwhile., the team sucks and they should probably not show anyone any deference that isn’t producing at a high level.’
You know I wold have had no problem Cashman calling a PC and saying he was benching Posada cause of poor play.
It was the fact that he knew he was going to make Jorge look bad, and he went full steam ahead. he gained nothing by making Jorge look bad, even if it was Jorge’s fault.
Players take notice of that. In fact any union member would take notice of management going out of their way to harm another union member. The first person I thought of was CC. My gut tell me Cash is going to pay dearly for tonight’s transgression.
Its cute that you think other players will look at *this* (a player throwing a fit) and turn on Cashman, and not pay attention to the millions of dollars he hands out in overpay and extra contract years to veterans and good players.
Nick in SF May 15th, 2011 at 12:58 am
I like Mr. Prufrock’s angry, unhinged suggestion to make Tony Pena the new manager.
It reminds me to point out that firetonypena.com is still available.
And if you google ‘firetonypena.com is still available’ you can see all the other times I’ve said that.
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Unhinged? I’ve wanted Pena to be the manager for a long time, now. I like Pena. He’s old school but he’s also a very intelligent baseball guy. He also supports his players. The Yankees have 3 stars on the horizon, unless they trade them. They’re all latino, & one is a catcher. Even Sanchez is an hispanic catcher. Girardi is uptight and anal. He’s not intuitive at all. He’s prescribed. I thought he’d be much more innovative and responsive to in game flow. He just isn’t. He’s not a very good manager.
Pena would have told Posada he was batting him 9th in the off-season. Thats just the kind of guy he is.
ABomb82, you make some good points about the lead up to this year with Posada.
Posada has displayed some temper at times, but I doubt the full extent of things get viewed outside the clubhouse.
The comment Posada made about sticking with him can be taken two different ways, one being that he was grateful, one being that he wanted Girardi to keep giving him slack.
These type of things don’t come to this point suddenly. This has been building for a while. It could be some of the reason for the team playing so tight.
Posada has been one of the clubhouse leaders. Troubles with him in the clubhouse could very well cause a lot of torn feelings, knowing what he is doing now vs. old loyalty.
It seems that the Yankees don’t feel any confidence of playing Posada behind the plate at all, otherwise they would have had him play backup, even if it was only during Cervelli’s time out. That might also be playing with some of the emotions that Posada is going through.
I just think about Hideki not really liking the DH job, and talking about how he signed with the Angels because they were going to play him in the field. That didn’t work out so well either.
It was the fact that he knew he was going to make Jorge look bad, and he went full steam ahead. he gained nothing by making Jorge look bad, even if it was Jorge’s fault.
Players take notice of that. In fact any union member would take notice of management going out of their way to harm another union member. The first person I thought of was CC. My gut tell me Cash is going to pay dearly for tonight’s transgression.
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Completely agree. Cashman may be going through some personal transformation that is of benefit to his own mental health, but professionally, sticking it to players only gets applause from reluctant house boys on the sidelines who wish they could stick it to the original thinkers they resent for being allowed to break rules they themselves are enslaved by.
It curries no favor with talented, professional athletes who the fans come to see, after all. Players stick together & tacitly, they don’t appreciate being undercut in public.
It’s interesting to note that Boston’s aging, declining catcher Jason Varitek (.164) was in the lineup and batting ninth.
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