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Postgame notes: “He just felt like he needed a day”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 15, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Everyone seems to agree on the meeting itself. It was short and light on details. Jorge Posada went into Joe Girardi’s office about an hour before first pitch and said he couldn’t play. Posada did not tell Girardi his back was hurt, he simply said he could not play.

“This conversation didn’t take place three or four hours before the game,” Girardi said. “That’s part of the issue. I have to go make changes. I have to tell people that they’re in the lineup. It’s final preparation for a game. We have to get lineup cards out. It was a late conversation.”

That much is clear. Everything else is kind of a mess.

Posada said his back was stiff and he saw a chiropractor. Girardi said he only heard about the back through a television report, and Posada did not mention it to him “at any point.” Brian Cashman said there was no injury and the Yankees team doctors are still not aware of a back problem.

Posada said before the game that he understood the decision to drop him in the lineup — and Girardi talked to him about it one-on-one before the lineup was posted — but after the game, Posada said he needed to clear his head. He said he felt “a little bit” disrespected, without going into detail about exactly why. He said he was upset with Cashman for talking about the injury during the game, but Cashman said Posada and his agents were well aware that he was going to address it.

Posada said the injury was bad enough that he wouldn’t have played today even if he were hitting over .300, but he also called the injury an excuse. “As soon as I wasn’t able to play I took that and used it as an excuse of coming out of the game,” he said.

It’s impossible to be in Posada’s head, but in the end, this entire episode — the injury, the decision to sit, the anger at Cashman — seems to have more to do with frustration than anything else.

“Players go through difficult times in this game,” Girardi said. “We all do. Sometimes we need days to clear our head and just to take a deep breath. I’ve been there. I’ve been through struggles. And this season has been a struggle for Jorge. It has been. He has tried to fight through it and today he just felt like he needed a day.”

Here’s Girardi’s postgame.

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• Girardi made it clear after the game that Posada never said he felt “insulted” to be hitting ninth.

• Posada laughed off a question about whether he was considering retirement.

• Girardi did not commit to anything regarding Posada being in or out of the lineup tomorrow.

• Girardi answered one question about the game during his postgame press conference. Everything else was about Posada. “I thought CC pitched a good game,” Girardi said. “I didn’t like the call to Jason Varitek. I thought Mike’s zone, he called some low strikes on us, and I thought that was a pivotal point of the game and it changed the complexion of the game.”

• Sabathia entered this game 3-0 with a 0.91 ERA against Boston at Yankee Stadium. He lost for the sixth time in 40 career starts in the Bronx, including the postseason.

• Sabathia had not allowed an extra-base hit to a lefty this season before tonight’s game.

• Curtis Granderson has more than one hit in five of his last eight games.

• The Yankees were 0-for-10 with runners in scoring position. They’re 5-for-39 with runners in scoring position the past four games. They have not had a runner reach third base in either of their two games against Josh Beckett this season.

• Making his first Double-A start of the year, Carlos Silva allowed three hits and no walks through six innings tonight. He struck out six and allowed one run, unearned.

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105 Responses to “Postgame notes: “He just felt like he needed a day””

  1. AZ88 May 15th, 2011 at 1:01 am

    BryanHoch Left stadium quickly. ~ RT @njm4250: Jeter’s silence speaks volumes

  2. LGY May 15th, 2011 at 1:02 am

    “Girardi talked to him about it one-on-one before the lineup was posted”

    ———

    LOL.

    Want to revise some of those posts Prufrock?

  3. Jerkface May 15th, 2011 at 1:03 am

    Girardi talked to Posada one on one before the lineup was posted, he told Posada that they really valued his bat in the lineup and he would be hitting third today in an effort to get him back on track. When Girardi posted the lineup he waited behind a nearby pillar for Posada to check the lineup board, at which time Girardi jumped out and said SYKE LOSER YOU’RE BATTING 9TH! Then Girardi and Cashman took turns dancing around Posada calling him names.

  4. Rich in NJ May 15th, 2011 at 1:03 am

    The Yankees need to move more veterans down in the order, if not to the bench.

  5. Jerkface May 15th, 2011 at 1:04 am

    Live from the Prufrock-verse

  6. G. Love May 15th, 2011 at 1:04 am

    Joe From LI,

    Jorge pulled something akin to Manny walking up to the plate and not swinging against Mariano.

    The team was short handed, we had to put Jones in at DH.

    I understand being hurt by being demoted, but Arod got the ultimate slap in the face from Torre in the playoffs and he showed up for work and didn’t pull himself out of the game.

    For all the garbage Yankee fans give Arod for not being Jeterian over the years, he showed a helluva lot more than Jorge did tonight.

    Cashman should DL him, give his back all the time it needs to heal along with his wounded pride while this team moves on with players who don’t quit an hour before game time.

  7. Abomb82 May 15th, 2011 at 1:05 am

    Why not mention of CC coming up small in a game we needed?

  8. Captain Clutch May 15th, 2011 at 1:06 am

    The Yankees veterans don’t realize how good they have it with this organization. If they were on the Sox Jeter would be bating 9th and Posada would be on the bench. Then again Posada would of only gotten a 2-3 year contract so he would be retired right now. There isn’t any other team that hands out an extra year or 2 because the player cries about it and the team respects them.

  9. Nick in SF May 15th, 2011 at 1:06 am

    The worst thing about this whole debacle is that Cano is watching it all unfold.

    He’s no fool, he sees how they’re treating Jeter Posada.

    :mad:

  10. LGY May 15th, 2011 at 1:07 am

    Maybe Prufrock will flip the script and call Chad a liar now?

  11. Jerkface May 15th, 2011 at 1:09 am

    I’m glad the team put the foot down, you don’t want the players to see that they can abandon the team at will. Have to show that the team is bigger than the players, they pay the salary after all.

  12. G. Love May 15th, 2011 at 1:09 am

    Captain Clutch,

    Great post. If the Yankee vets were on the Red Sox, most of them would have been moved in the order. They gave Crawford 20 million + and they are batting him 8th because he was hitting like Jorge was.

    Like bigmouth Ortiz. When he wasn’t hitting early last season Francona dropped him down far in the lineup. When he started to get hot he was moved up slightly.

    The ego of the Yankees and where they hit in the order and how they want to be perceived is really starting to turn me off.

  13. Rich in NJ May 15th, 2011 at 1:09 am

    From the last thread:

    Tar

    They showed him deference by not benching him. Playing anywhere when you’re batting as poorly as Jorge is is a sign of respect.

    If that’s a transgression, then the terrorists have truly won.

  14. tyanksfan36 May 15th, 2011 at 1:10 am

    I dont understand some people. They cry for Jorge to be benched because he is not hitting and when he pulls himself out of the line up its some huge deal. Isnt that what everyone wanted?

  15. Yanks78 May 15th, 2011 at 1:10 am

    NYDNHarper

    We learned from jeter negotiations yankee brass won’t let sentiment be a factor here. Posada best apologize if he wants to keep his job.

  16. Tar May 15th, 2011 at 1:11 am

    Repost

    “Meanwhile., the team sucks and they should probably not show anyone any deference that isn’t producing at a high level.’

    Rich

    You know I wold have had no problem Cashman calling a PC and saying he was benching Posada cause of poor play.

    It was the fact that he knew he was going to make Jorge look bad, and he went full steam ahead. he gained nothing by making Jorge look bad, even if it was Jorge’s fault. Not helpful to the Yankees in anyway.

    Players take notice of that. In fact any union member would take notice of management going out of their way to harm another union member. The first person I thought of was CC. My gut tell me Cash is going to pay dearly for tonight’s transgression

  17. Jerkface May 15th, 2011 at 1:12 am

    I dont understand some people. They cry for Jorge to be benched because he is not hitting and when he pulls himself out of the line up its some huge deal. Isnt that what everyone wanted?

    LOHUD Fallacy, are you sure you’re not confusing 2 distinct groups??

    *I love the LOHUD fallacy

  18. G. Love May 15th, 2011 at 1:13 am

    tyanksfan,

    No. Speaking for myself, what I wanted was the Yankees to bring up Montero to DH or allow Chavez to DH before he was injured.

    Jorge is no hero for pulling himself out of the game because the Yankees choices for DH were Jones, Cervelli and Nunez.

    The team didn’t get a chance to bring up a bat to replace him.

  19. Nick in SF May 15th, 2011 at 1:14 am

    “You know I wold have had no problem Cashman calling a PC and saying he was benching Posada cause of poor play.”

    I don’t doubt that you’re saying that sincerely, Tar, but I do doubt that your reaction, had Cashman called a press conference to announce that he was benching Posada due to poor play, would be ‘hey, I’ve got no problem with that.’

  20. Rich in NJ May 15th, 2011 at 1:14 am

    “We learned from jeter negotiations yankee brass won’t let sentiment be a factor here. Posada best apologize if he wants to keep his job.”

    Apparently, Harper has learned nothing (as usual).

    They vastly overpaid Jeter.

  21. tyanksfan36 May 15th, 2011 at 1:14 am

    Jerkface

    I am confused at what you are saying.

  22. LGY May 15th, 2011 at 1:14 am

    I’m sure Posada throwing a temper tantrum and then lying about the whole thing is going to be a huge topic of conversation in the Sabathia negotiations.

  23. LGY May 15th, 2011 at 1:15 am

    CC: Hey Cash. If I throw a temper tantrum and refuse to pitch one night, are you going to address the media about in the middle of the game?

    Cash: Yes.

    CC: Oh really Brian!? You better add a $20 million to my contract or I’m outta here :mad:

  24. Captain Clutch May 15th, 2011 at 1:17 am

    Posada definitely owes Girardi and Cash an i’m sorry. He saw that he was batting 9th and went nuts. He is lucky that Cash doesn’t come out and say dude you are hitting .165, I have someone that could replace you and your lucky to be in the lineup everyday.

  25. Yanks78 May 15th, 2011 at 1:18 am

    Girardi had to know how Posada would react before he made this decision, no?

  26. Tar May 15th, 2011 at 1:19 am

    LGY

    You are so immature sometimes.

    “They showed him deference by not benching him. Playing anywhere when you’re batting as poorly as Jorge is is a sign of respect.”

    Rich

    Bull. Jorge was the plan at DH, and until a viable option materializes-they stick with him.

  27. Rich in NJ May 15th, 2011 at 1:19 am

    The best thing that can result from this unfortunate incident is that every overpaid, underperforming veteran gets the message that if they want to continue to suck, they can do it from another spot in the order or from the bench.

  28. LGY May 15th, 2011 at 1:19 am

    Montero heard about the Posada news and proceeded to go 3-5 with a 2B.

    Bring up Montero!

  29. Nick in SF May 15th, 2011 at 1:19 am

    I’m just reprinting this Prufrock gem from the end of the previous thread:

    “Cashman may be going through some personal transformation that is of benefit to his own mental health, but professionally, sticking it to players only gets applause from reluctant house boys on the sidelines who wish they could stick it to the original thinkers they resent for being allowed to break rules they themselves are enslaved by.”

  30. Rich in NJ May 15th, 2011 at 1:20 am

    “Bull. Jorge was the plan at DH, and until a viable option materializes-they stick with him.”

    Tar

    Huh.

    Why can’t the DH bat 9th when he is the worst hitter on the team?

  31. LGY May 15th, 2011 at 1:20 am

    “LGY

    You are so immature sometimes.”

    —————–

    IMO, we all need to be sometimes. ;)

  32. Jerkface May 15th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Posada found a way out of being enslaved in the 9 hole, by simply not playing!

  33. Joe from Long Island May 15th, 2011 at 1:22 am

    One last thing before bed- if you read baseball history- let alone Yankee baseball history- you will see that all star players have hurt feelings at the end of their careers. Starting with Babe Ruth.

    Heck, Joe DiMaggio used to get pissed if his introduction at Old Timers Day was good enough for him.

  34. LGY May 15th, 2011 at 1:22 am

    Preach on Brother Prufrock!

  35. Nick in SF May 15th, 2011 at 1:22 am

    I guess nothing about this subject is funny because it’s so dedly serious, what with the evil fascistic management disrespecting labor once again, but, if we can pretend…

    It’s not like Posada was even dropped from a 3-5 position in the lineup…. he’s usually been, what, 7th?

  36. vinslol May 15th, 2011 at 1:24 am

    I almost wish they would’ve just let sado be the backup catcher and let cervelli sit in limbo – let him burn himself out and when he gets stuck on the DL – sorry bud it’s your last year anyway. I’ve loved watching him since I was a kid but I doubt he could have a ‘great’ year as DH, evidently. Having him as a healthy DH full year seemed like a great idea, but the more you think about it..not likely to make a difference after all ;(

    His situation is so unique they’re actually asking more of him to do this than any catching duty ever could have been, in his youth or whatever.

    Cash is a smug mofo though..for better or worse, he’s getting some nods or some major irks right now. meh

  37. Joe from Long Island May 15th, 2011 at 1:24 am

    That should read – DiMaggio used to get pissed if his intro WASNT good enough.

    Darn iPhone….

  38. Rich in NJ May 15th, 2011 at 1:24 am

    Baseball Marxism.

  39. LGY May 15th, 2011 at 1:26 am

    Montero’s OPS is officially above .800. With a .336 BA!

    Free Jesus!

  40. Tar May 15th, 2011 at 1:27 am

    “IMO, we all need to be sometimes’

    Good point, but sometimes :mad:

    Rich

    “Huh.

    Why can’t the DH bat 9th when he is the worst hitter on the team?”

    Miscommunication– that is not what I said.

    “They showed him deference by not benching him.”

    I responded Bull that is not why they didn’t bench him. they haven’t benched him because they have not had a viable option.

  41. Captain Clutch May 15th, 2011 at 1:30 am

    If Posada doesn’t want to bat 9th for this team I am sure that Montero wouldn’t have a problem with it. When I got home at 8 and turned on the tv and saw what happened with Posada the 1st thing I did was check the Scranton lineup and hope that Montero wasn’t playing. But unfortunately he was.

  42. LGY May 15th, 2011 at 1:30 am

    “he’s usually been, what, 7th?”

    ————

    5 GS at 6th
    25 GS at 7th
    1 GS at 8th
    1 GS at 9th

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock May 15th, 2011 at 1:30 am

    I’m glad to hear that Girardi discussed his decision with Posada beforehand.

    I sure would rather think well of Girardi than ill.

    Still rather have Pena be the manager.

    I am not sure why Cashman finds it necessary to go into such grueling detail publically about what was and what was not understood between himself & Posada. But that’s not true, it’s to make Posada look bad.

    I thoroughly hate Cashman at this point.

  44. kd May 15th, 2011 at 1:31 am

    nick,

    i think that’s the whole point. it’s not like he was tearing the cover off of the ball and he was dropped because girardi is a jerk. he was dropper because he’s severely slumping and the team needs a shot in the arm, like cano in 2005.

    you gotta think he’s thinking retirement. he never was a guy who seemed to chase money, and the rest of that contract probably doesn’t justify the embarrassment.

    i think they need to give him a few days off, like curtis in texas last year, let him work with long and see if he can turn around.

    also, tell montero to be ready at a moment’s notice, like a uber-prospect bat signal

  45. J. Alfred Prufrock May 15th, 2011 at 1:31 am

    Montero should not be the replacement for Posada.

    He should be Cervelli’s.

  46. tyanksfan36 May 15th, 2011 at 1:33 am

    I think it is interesting that David Ortiz has such strong feelings about how the Yankees are (mis)treating Posada.

  47. Red Lobster May 15th, 2011 at 1:34 am

    These problem is that these dynasty players have no perspective of reality – they think they are entitled to whatever they want and don’t realize how baseball works outside the Bronx.

    As someone said above, if these guys were on the Sox, another successful organization, they would have been benched/shipped out/dropped in the lineup a long time ago.

    Jeter would have taken 2 yrs/$16 million from someone. Posada would have probably been regulated to pinch hitting and some 1st base.

    The Yanks have already treated their declines more graciously than any other team would have.

  48. Jerkface May 15th, 2011 at 1:34 am

    Montero should not be the replacement for Posada.

    He should be Cervelli’s.

    He can do both

  49. J. Alfred Prufrock May 15th, 2011 at 1:35 am

    Nick in SF May 15th, 2011 at 1:19 am
    I’m just reprinting this Prufrock gem from the end of the previous thread:

    “Cashman may be going through some personal transformation that is of benefit to his own mental health, but professionally, sticking it to players only gets applause from reluctant house boys on the sidelines who wish they could stick it to the original thinkers they resent for being allowed to break rules they themselves are enslaved by.”

    ///
    QFT

  50. RS May 15th, 2011 at 1:35 am

    They could have used Jones or Chavez as a DH, or brought up Montero (or even Vazquez, when he was mashing). There have been plenty of viable options.

    I think one of the big issues is that if Posada isn’t the regular DH and he isn’t the backup catcher, then it creates roster issues. He’s basically just dead weight and you lose a useful bench player (backup outfielder/infielder).

  51. Nick in SF May 15th, 2011 at 1:37 am

    I thing I think almost all of us can agree on — from the enlightened free thinkers to the enslaved house boys — is that this entire episode is unbefitting a member of the Alabama Community College Athletic Hall of Fame.

  52. Rich in NJ May 15th, 2011 at 1:42 am

    Tar

    Montero?

  53. Captain Clutch May 15th, 2011 at 1:42 am

    And tomorrow back to more hat tipping….

  54. Tar May 15th, 2011 at 1:43 am

    “They could have used Jones or Chavez as a DH, or brought up Montero (or even Vazquez, when he was mashing). There have been plenty of viable options.”

    to start the year, and up to now, these were not viable options. Going forward– maybe so.

    And if any deference was showed, it was to the paycheck and not necessarily the player.

    Nick shut-up :D

  55. Yogi Mantle May 15th, 2011 at 1:46 am

    G. Love, I’m not so sure the Yankees would have brought someone up just to fill in for Posada today, regardless of the timing. While it seems Posada was late on informing them he wasn’t playing, even had he done it in the morning how could they call someone up when it isn’t even clear how long we are talking about.

    I do think that Posada knew about the batting order earlier, I can see Posada accepting it somewhat, then the more he thought about it, the more ticked off he got.

    Posada could lash out at others, he isn’t exactly soft spoken, and some of it could be from his venting his frustrations and it getting personal.

    This isn’t something that just happened. Its been building up for a while. This might seem pretty ugly right now, but it may be something that could help the team in the long run, kind of like getting it all out in the open, then being able to move on.

    Posada fought to have this year added to the contract and used the Mets to pressure the Yankees to agree to it. I just don’t think the DH position was what he had in mind for the final year of his contract though.

  56. Tar May 15th, 2011 at 1:47 am

    Rich

    Going forward I think so. But I do think it was the right move to start him at AAA.

    Now I am really shutting this computer off.

    Good night

  57. GreenBeret7 May 15th, 2011 at 1:50 am

    Both DiMaggio and ruth, among others have quit on the team because of signed contracts. DiMaggio (Mr. Class Act himself) held out into the season because he wanted more money than Gehrig after 2 years…and this was in the middle of the Depression. Lets not act like other players have never done this. Let’s not forget that Jackson quit on his team more than once.

    I’m not happy about it but, it’s nothing earth shattering except for the usuals and the media.

  58. ET May 15th, 2011 at 1:52 am

    “The fact is, he refused to play,” a senior Yankee official said when told of Mrs. Posada’s tweet. “He never said anything about an injury to the doctor, the trainer, the manager or the general manager. This is just an attempt on his part to rewrite history.”

    According to a team source, Posada, who is batting .165 in 32 games, went to Girardi’s office and told the manager he was embarrassed by the lineup demotion – it would’ve been the first time in 12 years that Posada had hit ninth – especially because the game was being broadcast nationally by Fox.

    Girardi told Cashman what was going on and the GM talked to Posada and the veteran told him the same thing, the source said. Cashman then informed Yankee managing partner Hal Steinbrenner in Tampa and the Yankees also called baseball commissioner Bud Selig. The Yankees were said to be weighing their options and waiting to see what Posada had to say after the game. At the least, this is being viewed as an act of insubordination and the club seemed likely to dock Posada a day’s pay.

    Asked what Posada’s actions meant going forward, Cashman, at his hastily arranged press conference in a work room behind press row, said, “I don’t know yet. I don’t know.” Asked if Posada’s actions were insubordination, Cashman replied, “I don’t want to comment. I don’t want to comment on it.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z1MOhqXz9n

  59. Yogi Mantle May 15th, 2011 at 1:53 am

    Ortiz is just fanning the flames, and also giving a bit of notice to the RS about how they should treat him. Isn’t this Ortiz’s final year as well?

    Iconic players do create a tough problem in their final year(s). The fans have a love/hate relationship with them, yet will turn against a team if they feel their guy isn’t treated right. Jeter and Posada are tough to deal with because of all they have mean to the team for a long time. They also might realize that their skills are declining, but they probably can’t see the full measure of that.

  60. GreenBeret7 May 15th, 2011 at 1:53 am

    If there is any player now on the Yankees that has quit on the team when the mood strikes him, it’s Andruw Jones. One only need look at his half-hearted efforts. If any player needs to be dumped, that’s the one.

  61. Captain Clutch May 15th, 2011 at 2:01 am

    Andruw Jones is definitely finished. I don’t think anyone could doubt that. I am sure he will be the next one to go.

  62. G-C May 15th, 2011 at 2:01 am

    “If there is any player now on the Yankees that has quit on the team when the mood strikes him, it’s Andruw Jones. One only need look at his half-hearted efforts. If any player needs to be dumped, that’s the one.”

    _______________________________________________

    I don’t see it.

    Can you elaborate please GB?

  63. Rich in NJ May 15th, 2011 at 2:10 am

    Po messed up, however, he gets a pass from me based on past services rendered, but that doesn’t mean that he should continue to be in the lineup, and if other players don’t start producing, no matter who they are, and there is a viable replacement, they should be replaced as well.

  64. jacksquat May 15th, 2011 at 2:13 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock May 15th, 2011 at 1:30 am
    I’m glad to hear that Girardi discussed his decision with Posada beforehand.

    I sure would rather think well of Girardi than ill.

    Still rather have Pena be the manager.

    I am not sure why Cashman finds it necessary to go into such grueling detail publically about what was and what was not understood between himself & Posada. But that’s not true, it’s to make Posada look bad.

    I thoroughly hate Cashman at this point.

    You clearly hated Cashman before this point.

  65. tyanksfan36 May 15th, 2011 at 2:15 am

    Has anyone seen Party Monster? This movie is wack.

  66. Vineyard Yankee May 15th, 2011 at 2:58 am

    tyanksfan36 May 15th, 2011 at 1:33 am

    I think it is interesting that David Ortiz has such strong feelings about how the Yankees are (mis)treating Posada.

    ==============

    Why not be in Posada’s corner. If Ortiz got his wish and Posada was back at catcher think of all the PB’s and shoddy defense that would lead to more runs for the Sux. LOL !

  67. Tyler May 15th, 2011 at 3:23 am

    Pretty classless move by Posada. He left the team in a hole and scrambling to put Jones in. Then again it’s not like Jorge can hit Beckett anyway. I’d keep him on the bench for a while. Classless move by a veteran.

  68. stuart a May 15th, 2011 at 3:50 am

    jorge quit on his team all he cares about is jorge. not a big suprise an overpaid narcissist like only about 95% of athletes. what a shocker. now the lies start. swisher sucks and should not be resigned but he batted 8th and did not complain. the reason neither should have complained is because both jorge and swisher should understand how lucky they are to even play, let alone make all theat money.

    jorge just retire you friggin clown…..wow he blew 15 years in 1 night.. .we all know he quit on the team because he was slighted, get a life fool…………….

  69. timmyb72 May 15th, 2011 at 5:01 am

    It’s interesting to note that Boston’s aging, declining catcher Jason Varitek (.164) was in the lineup and batting ninth. He singled in a run in the seventh

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....z1MPS2EHio

  70. rr212 May 15th, 2011 at 6:08 am

    The sooner this team starts cutting the fat, the better. Much rather watch young kids struggle than overpaid veteran babies. Too many egos on this team.

  71. Gary May 15th, 2011 at 7:15 am

    Quite a mess yesterday, I suspect today all hands in the Yanks organization will be just trying to make it go away and focusing on trying to not get swept. It’s a total lack of production right now up and down the line. Absent calling someone from the minors up the bench isn’t going to help the situation, Jones last night was worst than others that Joe could have played. Quite a bad time right now for the team, hope they can get through it and no lose contact with the leaders until someone out there finds his stride and starts producing.

  72. ron May 15th, 2011 at 7:18 am

    I am not going to rip posada.

    Regardless of last night,he is a great yankee.

    He is human with a lot of emotions.

    He should finish the year out & retire.

    You can’t take away all the great things he did because of a night were he was a little upset.

    No big deal to me.

  73. Gary May 15th, 2011 at 7:27 am

    Ron, I agree in principle, Jorge is a great player and has contributed greatly to the Yanks through the years. I don’t agree though that is he is not producing that he gets a free pass to finish out the year. With the limited roster you can’t have a player in a roster spot not contributing.

    To me Jorge picked the wrong time to lose it for lack of better words, team not playing well, Boston in town, national TV game, 1 hour before game time, no medical reason according to him to not play, not producing himself. Emotions are one thing, but understanding realities are quite another. Knowing him I don’t think you would have ever expected him to quit like he did last night.

  74. Gary May 15th, 2011 at 7:32 am

    Lester today, not a great situation to bounce back from the games of the last few days and yesterday. I’m sure they will be out there trying, lets hope we get some hits, play good defense, and score some runs. The Yanks are a much better team then we have shown as of late.

  75. ron May 15th, 2011 at 7:33 am

    Update (11:01pm): Posada said after the game that he told Girardi that he needed time to clear his head and that his back stiffened up after taking grounders at first, but Girardi said he was never made aware of any physical problem. As for as Cashman saying it wasn’t an injury issue during the in-game interview, Jorge said “[Cashman] made a mis-statement … That’s the way he works now.” Wow, shots fired.

    Original Post (8:00pm): Brian Cashman just told Ken Rosenthal during tonight’s broadcast that Jorge Posada removed himself from the lineup tonight and that it’s “not an injury situation.” Posada is expected to speak to the media after the game, but when asked what tonight meant for Posada’s future for with the team, he said he “didn’t want to speak for Jorge.”

    For what it’s worth, Joel Sherman hears that Posada is not retiring. Jack Curry hears that Jorge was “insulted” by people penciled into the ninth spot of the lineup, and that he threw a “hissy fit.” Stay tuned… · (334) ·

  76. arjay May 15th, 2011 at 7:41 am

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo…..z1MOhqXz9n

    Anthony McCarron’s column in the Daily News.

    Reading this, it’s pretty obvious that a lot more went on at the time Posada pulled himself out of the lineup than anyone is saying.

    Posada spoke to Girardi. Cashman was brought into it to talk to Jorge. His agent was called. Bud Selig was called.

    There’s no way all that happens after a short convo in Girardi’s office. It’s obvious Jorge must have flipped & gone insubordinate.

    No way do you blame Cash on this one.

  77. ron May 15th, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Gary:

    I am sure he regrets it.

    He said that this is something he does not wan’t on his resume.

    They were not winning this game with or without posada,the problems are much deeper.

    Reliant on the hr,swisher,jeter,arod,tex,the pitching.

    I do agree with you fully but what is done is done.

    The team has to move on,girardi has to get ahold of this team & get it going.

    This team has an immense amount of talent on it & it is better than the rs.

    I have been saying all along that cashman should trade for another starter & start sitting swisher against rh,at least for now.

    The dh spot has to be fixed also.
    We have vaz in the minors ripping the ball.
    Bring him up til the league catches on to him,then go from there.

    The team is to stagnant right now.Shake things up.

  78. CountryClub May 15th, 2011 at 7:56 am

    I’m not sure what to think of this new vocal cashman. His antics over the past 12 months have been great for the media, but I don’t think they help the team in any way. The yanks should have dealt with posada privately. Doing what cashman did last night just made things worse.

    I’m a guy that thinks cash takes way too much heat normally. But he’s been making some strange decisions recently when it comes to dealing with his players. To me, it seems like a guy who is ready to leave and he said F it, I’m going to act however I want this last yr.

  79. Gary May 15th, 2011 at 8:04 am

    CountryClub May 15th, 2011 at 7:56 am

    I’m not making excuses for anyone, but right now I think down the line there is genuine frustration by players and management.

    The team right now is playing like c#ap. Give yourself a dose of that and people start behaving differently. Things get said and things get done that never would have been in better times. Cashman simply got out in front of it, he wasn’t going to let Jorge spin it for anything that it wasn’t.

  80. brownies May 15th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Sit Jeter a rod tex bring up some young kids without tired bodies ..put them in and let’s go. This is ridiculous..all these excuses . Other teams beat these boston pitchers, but not our 200 million dollar lineup. New young energetic blood needs to be inserted soon.

  81. arjay May 15th, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Gary, I agree – whatever Jorge did or said, it was bad enough that it pissed off Cashman to the degree that he called Jorge’s agent, Bud Selig, and then when it was all over his attitude was, “Ok, he (Jorge) made his bed, now he has to lie in it. Let him explain it to the media.” He gave Jorge the rope and Jorge (well, probably his wife since she started the back BS) hung himself with it by trying to come up with a lame excuse (his back).

    Since when do players get hurt and see their own doctor without informing anyone on the Yankees medical staff? Cashman has said that neither the trainers nor the Yankee doctor knew about Jorge’s back problem. Oh, so he hurt it and the first thing he thought was to go see his own doctor? and when did this happen? He said he hurt it taking grounders during practice earlier in the day – so between practice and when the lineup was posted, Jorge left the stadium to see his doctor? Totally preposterous. Cashman has every right to call him out on it.

  82. arjay May 15th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    This reminds me of 2005 when Wang & Cano were brought up. A little shakin’ up is in order and a little youthful enthusiasm would inject a little life into the team. Time to bring up Jesus and Vazquez. Obviously, Jorge is gonna be around all year unless he does the right thing & bows out, but they could send Cervelli down and bring up Montero, drop the useless & shot Andruw Jones & bring up Vaz.

  83. YsGuy May 15th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    much ado about nothing. posada just pulled a boner and its over.

    time for girardi to go ‘billy martin’ and pick the lineup out of a hat.

    tex and arod tex and arod tex and arod, things wont get better till those 2 guys start hitting.

  84. Joe from Long Island May 15th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    ET and arjay- thanks for the Daily News reports.

    Sure sounds like Jorge threw a hissy fit.

    I can understand the emotions of a proud man who’s at the end of his very successful career. But that doesn’t excuse his actions.

    That clubhouse is filled with guys who have answered the bell while dealing with serious physical hurt. It was insulting to them, let alone Joe, Cash, and the Steinbrenner Family that pats him very good money, as stipulated by a contract that they are upholding. All that is asked for is accountability, which is what Cash basically said last night- go talk to Jorge.

    I really think that once Jorge says what he has to say, they’ll all move on, and get to dealing with declining performance.

    Oh, and by taking this stand, I think the yanks were also were making it clear what they expect from everyone. Consider it a commercial for their younger players.

    Only Jorge can make this better

  85. randy l. May 15th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Posada, clearly perturbed, said: “I don’t know why he made a statement during the game, in the middle of the game. I don’t understand that. That’s the way he works now.”- ny post

    according to girari and posada there was no problem between them.

    somewhere cashman decided to pour gas on a situation that posada and girardi said was no problem.

    just like when a pitch goes near a hitter’s head, no one knows for sure except the pitcher if he meant to do it, no one knows what was in cashman’s head when he made the in game announcement.

    it obviously was not something he had to do, so he chose to go on the attack with posada.
    the fact he looked into canceling posada’s contract with the league probably shows more about cashman’s intentions than anything.

    it is possible that cashman has decided he’d like to get rid of posada’s contract and saw this as an opportunity to do so.

    personally i’ve always thought cashman was a vindictive little weasel at times so hidden agendas by him never surprise me.

    to be fair to cashman, whether he’s a vindictive little weasel in this case remains to be seen :)

  86. murphydog May 15th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    randy l:

    Allow me to speak for Cashman.

    Jorge is a leader on that team and the team is in a tailspin right now. I understand passion and pride and all that, but pulling a cry-baby stunt at a moment in the season when the team is upside down is total b.s. If Jorge cannot see the facts, if he thinks he is going to have a comeback year and hit 270 and knock 90 rbis, then he’s delusional. Pulling a hissy fit at a time like this is indefensible from anyone. But it starts at the top, doesn’t it?

    Over the winter, Captain Jeter got an extra year and many too many millions more than he is really worth. He needed a slap from Cashman in the press when he acted insulted. “Let him test the market and see if there’s something else he would prefer.” The Cashman quote that was far more telling, however, only came out with the new Jeter book, to the effect that Cashman asked a sulking Jeter: “How many more millions does our offer have to be over your next best offer before it’s ‘fair’”?

    The Captain of the team acts like a prima donna in the offseason and sets a record for selfishness. Why not Jorge? Why not everybody else on the team? There is trouble in this clubhouse, my friend. So far the on field picture of terrible play has been baffling. No more. If not a mutiny, then there are grumblings in that locker room. Do you think the team feels they are sending out their best lineup with Jorge as DH? Do you think the team wants Jeter in the number one spot with his numbers? Somebody needs to clear the air, but who?

    Jeter can’t clear the air – he lost the moral high ground with that b.s contract. But jeter is also part of the problem with his b.s. offense so far this season as he gets his personal milestone. Or Jeter won’t settle everybody’s hash because that involves giving Posada a shot in the face and Jeter likes to keep his hands clean and “lead by example.” Girardi doesn’t want to be the bad guy with his former teammates. GI Joe isn’t gutless but he’s soft on this topic.

    That leaves Cashman as the voice of law and order.

    This team is in trouble from the inside out.

  87. Joe from Long Island May 15th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    GB you’re right this is not the first tome a declining star has done something like this.

    YsGuy I think you’re right also this will be fixed today. And who knows this may start them on a winning streak. It wouldn’t be the first time something like that would happen.

  88. blake May 15th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Im just really not sure what to make of this whole thing. Jorge has hit 7th and 8th already this season so its not like he was moved from the top or middle of the lineup to the bottom……Im sure he’s extremely frustrated and doesn’t want his career to end this way…..he has a ton of pride.

    That said, he hasn’t been performing and pulling a stunt like this certainly isn’t going to lengthen the rope he’s given…..if anything it will shorten it. I don’t know the details of what happened and maybe Jorge did just feel he needed a mental health day to wrap his head around where he is in his career now.

    I agree with C. Club about Cashman and have been saying that for awhile……this new version is great for a sound bite and he seems extremely transparent and brutally honest…..but is that the best thing for the team? Should he be more diplomatic in his public comments? Do making these statements fuel the fire and further complicate the situation?

  89. RhapsodyInBlue May 15th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    randy I.

    You could be correct in your assessment of Cashman in this situation.

    But remember Cashman was the one who dealt with Jorge and his agent 4 years ago across the table when they shopped the Met offer to get this the 4th year of Jorge’s contract.

    The Yankees knowing Posada would be in decline were forced to give him a 4th year I would like to have been a fly on the wall to hear the bargaining done by Jorge’s agent to justify this season in Pinstipes.

  90. RhapsodyInBlue May 15th, 2011 at 8:56 am

    “Pinstripes”

  91. MaineYankee May 15th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    randy

    What a golden oppurtinity for you to use your anti Cashman soap box.
    :lol:

    If it ever comes out I think the story will be different than what it appears now.

    It’s a very difficult situation for all involved and one I don’t envy Girardi and the Yankee brass having to deal with.

    There was no way for this to end well short of Posada retiring.

  92. Joe from Long Island May 15th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Oh Randy do you always blame everything on Cashman? Jorge’s the one who screwed up here.

    You’re an employer. Imagine one of your longtime employees who no Longer gets it done decided he wasn’t in the mood to work and walked out on you in the middle of a busy day, with no notice. And makes up some c&$&@ and bull story to cover his a&$.

    This isn’t first grade. If you want to be treated likens man, then act like one.

  93. RhapsodyInBlue May 15th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Murphydog.

    You said it all.

    I remember Yogi going into LF for Elston, times and agenda have clearly changed in Yankeeland.

    Humble is not a word you can use to describe either Jeter or Jorge.

  94. Joe from Long Island May 15th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Rhapsody- murphydog usually does.

  95. GreenBeret7 May 15th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Joe, I jate what happened yesterday. I think both Cashman and Posada screwed up. This thing should never seen the of the media day.

    I find it really difficult to be terribly upset with Posada, though. I’ve never neen a professional athlete, but I know how he feels. He’s never really failed before and it’s a shock to the system. the mind and the heart to realize that you can’t do the things that came so easity just 2 years ago.

    I got the same feeling of denial when I started losing the endurance to do what I did for 30 years and could no longer do the missions that just a couple of years before I could do in my sleep. Not being able to do low level parachute drops with 150 pounds of equipment strapped on. What a shock to the ego to finally know that you’re no longer indespensable, that younger, stonger kids were waiting for you to realize what they already knew…you were getting too old for the job. It hurts, and it makes you mad to be getting old.

  96. GreenBeret7 May 15th, 2011 at 9:10 am

    Joe, I ***hate*** what happened

  97. blake May 15th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    I agree that this is Jorge’s mess……I just don’t get Cashman’s rush to go to the media and talk about it.

    I do think the net result of this might be that we see Montero in NY soon if Jorge doesn’t snap out of this and come back and start hitting. Thy have been patient with him…..probably will be less so from here forward

  98. blake May 15th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    GB7,

    That was a good example…..it does suck to get old.

  99. randy l. May 15th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    joe from long island-

    from some quick reading this morning it appears hat cashman simply decided over the winter that posada wasn’t going to catch anymore, and that this had nothing to do with concussions like we were talking about the other day.

    if this is actually the case and posada would like to have an opportunity to compete for the right to catch, i think we have the core disagreement between posada and cashman.

    this is important because it predates anything that happened or didn’t happen last night. if posada isn’t saying anything about concussions being a problem, we pretty much have to take that off the table and rethink how we think posada should be used.

    if concussions are out of the equation, i think it’s a no brainer that posada should be in the catching mix simply because it gives girardi a lot more flexibility. posada didn’t suddenly forget how to catch.

    if cashman simply decided on his own personal whim that posada is done as a catcher, that’s just plain wrong. i can see cashman saying let posada compete fight for a job. that would be the way to go as far as i’m concerned.

    cashman has a history of simply making decisions that are wrong and stubbornly proceeding. the mienkiewwitzsp?/phelps tandem was one of these. this pet tandem of his was his main reason for not having bernie on the roster. he needed two spaces for this two headed flop at first base.
    ( before anyone says that bernie couldn’t play anymore, check his ops his last year and compare it to melky, garder etc an other fourth outfielders or bench players.)

    cashman also had a non stop hidden agenda going against wang to change the way he pitched that reporters like peter abraham totally knew about. cashman is very much the stealth back stabber when he wants to be, when he wants to get rid of someone.

    he got rid of my buddy neil allen as bulpen coach/triple a pitching coach simply because allen was hired by the tampa faction. tampa bay grabbed him to work with price, hellickson , etc
    of course that hasn’t worked out well for tampa bay has it?

    cashman can make things very uncomfortable for any aging yankee player. it’s his choice.
    but the fact remains he better get results if he’s going to o this.

    from what i see his team is behind a team with a 40 million dollar payroll.

    i can see why cashman might be a little touchy.
    that’s gotta be embarrassing to the gm with the 200 million dollar payroll.

    i welcome a big fight between cashman and posada at this point because it will bring to a head the bad decision that cashman made to have posada only dh.

  100. 86w183 May 15th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    I don’t doubt that Cashman has an “I told you so” attitude towards Jorge. He was right that a 4th year was a foolish waste of money. Frankly Jorge has not don’t much for the entire length of his current deal. Only 2009 was he a good player.

    Still you have to explain a guy getting scratched from the lineup, especially when the Mrs claims it was injury related. Her “tweet” started the media inquiry.

    GB 7 — Like you, I can understand Jorge’s frustration, but I can not just give him a hall pass for quitting on his team against their biggest rival. And when you ask out of the lineup out of ego that’s the same thing as quitting.

  101. Gary May 15th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Joe from Long Island May 15th, 2011 at 8:53 am
    GB you’re right this is not the first tome a declining star has done something like this.

    YsGuy I think you’re right also this will be fixed today. And who knows this may start them on a winning streak. It wouldn’t be the first time something like that would happen.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    I’m doubtful this gets fixed today. There will be a hangover for a few days as it sorts out. Right now the ball in in Jorge’s court, if he’s willing to accept his role and go out and play and abide by the managers decisions then it will be well on it’s way to be fixed.

    It pretty plain where we are at, Jorge this is your role and this is what you are payed to do. I don’t know if he ever gets his head around that and can be successful at that, additonally does he still have the tools left to be a productive hitter? Could be tough for the balance of the year, our Designated Hitter could well be the Destignated out.

    As I posted earlier today, getting a winning streak started against Lester could be a tall order. Even when the team is on he’s a tough customer, with their issues right now it’s going to to be more difficult.

  102. randy l. May 15th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    “You’re an employer. Imagine one of your longtime employees who no Longer gets it done decided he wasn’t in the mood to work and walked out on you in the middle of a busy day, with no notice. And makes up some c&$&@ and bull story to cover his a&$.”

    joe form long island-

    assuming it was totally the employees fault, i would deal with it in house, man to man.

    i don’t go blabbing it to anyone else to embarrass the employee.

    and if i think the employee just went too far i fire him .

    cashman can’t do this though. posada has a contract.
    so i think this is why we are seeing the inexplicable public display of what should be kept in house by cashman.

    in this case, it’s become obvious that there ws no concussion problem like w talked about the other day.

    cashman fired posada as a catcher in effect , over the winter.
    posada tried to suck it up and go along being a team player, but it obviously is a probelem between posada and cashman.

    that’s really what this is all about.
    watch how this unfolds.
    posada at some point will say he wants to catch and has wanted to all along.
    cashman will say no, and the real issue will be out on the table.

    this thing last night whatever happened is just a reflection of that original disagreement with cashman and posada.

    i think it’ll be good to clear the air with a big fight between the two.
    it’s not good for the yankees to not have posada in the catching mix.
    cashman has put a limitation on the team that doesn’t need to be there.
    let posada compete for the back up catching position.

    notice how there has been no concern of cashman for a concussed posada.
    i think that pretty much eliminates the concussion speculation.
    it’s off the table.

  103. Bret The Hitman May 15th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Jorge quit on this team. He SHOULD be punished. But there’s a right way and a wrong way to enforce consequences. If you want to change behavior, the way you deal with insubordination is in private. You do not humiliate any member of the team especially if your marketing schtick is that your team is a “Yankee family”, more than just a team. Now there is resentment between Jorge and Cashman as there was between Jeter and Cashman, Bernie and Cash, Torre and Cash.

    It’s interesting…

    As the pillars of the dynasty age and decline, their relationship with management is also deteriorating like a bad divorce.

    I think they’re all a bunch of drama queens and aging vets:

    Jeter, Posada, AROD, Cashman…all aging vets whose best days are long behind them.

  104. Bret The Hitman May 15th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Overpaid aging vets whose best days are behind them:

    Jeter
    Posada
    Cashman
    AROD

    Anyone else?

    Teixeira?
    Swisher?

  105. mlearn2 May 15th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    @randy l

    You are right on the money. This is about Posada’s frustrations about being the starting catcher for over a decade, still feeling he has it in him and still having the desire to catch, and being forced into the DH position and then being shuffled to the bottom of the lineup.

    Anyone who has ever been the best at something, and then being removed from that position against your will, even though you still feel like you have what it takes, will understand exactly what Posada was/is going through.

    Should he have quit on the team like that? Absolutely not. He should have sucked it up, batted ninth and tried to get himself back on track. However, can I blame him for being pissed off and frustrated that he isn’t allowed to catch, was moved to a position that only exists in the AL, and then was put in the 9th spot? Not one bit.


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