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Pregame notes: Posada moves on, Yankees move with him

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on May 15, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

There was something not-quite-right about Jorge Posada last night. He seemed divided, standing at his locker talking about a back injury that kept him out of the lineup (but wasn’t serious) while also repeatedly saying he needed to clear his mind (just a few hours after saying he was at peace with his struggles). He’s always been an emotional guy, but this was a guy who seemed uncertain about anything.

This afternoon, there was clarity.

“I did tweak my back a little bit,” Posada said. “And I took that as an excuse to tell you the truth. I just needed a day.”

It was the most reasonable, understandable thing anyone said about the situation in quite a while. I’m sure the Yankees don’t like hearing about a back injury as an excuse, but Posada’s a proud player. The Yankees understand that, and they understand a player like Posada — a guy with his career success and his recent struggles — might need a day to gather himself. Was it handled poorly? Probably. But today went a long way toward fixing that.

“One thing I told him is if he said he needed a day to clear his mind, there’s no need to apologize,” Derek Jeter said. “I think everybody understands that. Everyone here understands that sometimes this game can be tough on you mentally. Everybody’s struggled. Everybody’s been in a situation where things don’t seem to be clicking the right way. And if that’s the reason why he came out, then he doesn’t need to apologize… He’s like a brother. I mean, we’ve been together for a long time. If I thought he did something wrong, I’d be the first one to tell him.”

Joe Girardi said his conversation this afternoon was about, “being emotional and going through struggles and what defines who you are.” To some extent, Posada’s emotional response has always defined him. Maybe it flared up in a bad way yesterday. Nothing left to do but move on.

“Joe’s been on my side,” Posada said. “I think you’ve just got to understand, we’re trying to do something here that’s special, and it’s about the team now. It’s not about Jorge Posada. It’s not about Joe Girardi. I let some people down.”

He did that yesterday. Today Posada did what he could to pick up the pieces.

Here’s Posada.

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Here’s Jeter.

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Rafael Soriano probably won’t pitch tonight. Girardi said before the game that Soriano’s elbow was stiff last night, but it wasn’t the same sort of discomfort as before.

• It’s unclear whether Posada will be disciplined for refusing to play last night. “We’ve got everything going on today and then I’ll obviously talk to the people above me,” Brian Cashman said. “So I can’t answer that question right now, but when I talk to Hal Steinbrenner I’ll get some direction from him on everything after I fill him in on everything.”

• Girardi said last night’s situation with Posada had nothing to do with the decision to keep him out of the lineup tonight. Posada has not hit lefties at all this season. Literally, not at all. “The lineup I had made up today was made up today was made up like two days ago in my mind, so I didn’t really change that,” Girardi said.

• Seems entirely possible that Posada won’t play tomorrow against David Price either.

• Phil Hughes almost certainly did some throwing today, but I only saw him briefly and Girardi said he wasn’t sure what exactly Hughes did today.

• Still no player move to report. Amauri Sanit is still here and the Yankees are still carrying eight pitchers. They might have to do that because of the uncertain situation with Soriano.

RED SOX
Jacoby Ellsbury CF
Dustin Pedroia 2B
Adrian Gonzalez 1B
Kevin Youkilis 3B
David Ortiz DH
J.D. Drew RF
Jed Lowrie SS
Carl Crawford LF
Jarrod Saltalamacchia C

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50 Responses to “Pregame notes: Posada moves on, Yankees move with him”

  1. Erin May 15th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Love Jeter’s quotes.

    Enjoy the game everyone. I’m hoping they take a night off from continuing their reenactment of The Bad News Bears. ;)

  2. West Coast Yankee Fan May 15th, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    “It’s unclear whether Posada will be disciplined for refusing to play last night. “We’ve got everything going on today and then I’ll obviously talk to the people above me,” Brian Cashman said. “So I can’t answer that question right now, but when I talk to Hal Steinbrenner I’ll get some direction from him on everything after I fill him in on everything.”

    **************

    Hint, hint Cashman et al. Move on.

  3. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Stop the bleeding, Freddie! We need a win tonight to put all of this unpleasantness behind us!

  4. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 15th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    Yes, we badly need a win so that we can turn the page. Another loss just keeps the unpleasantness going.

  5. 98NYY May 15th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    I lived through the Bronx Zoo era. This is tame in comparison. This season is not over with one episode of player blow up or gm…let’s get this win and beat up Tampa tomorrow!

  6. Mike Ri May 15th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    its not Cashmans job to be liked by his players. . Its his job to field a Championship winning team

  7. JobaTipsHisCap May 15th, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    I dont like jeters comment at all.

  8. joeman May 15th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Boston 8.5 favorites tonight

  9. JobaTipsHisCap May 15th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Sweep time tonight btw

  10. LGY May 15th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    Freddy The Chief The Ace Garcia stops the bleeding tonight!

  11. LGY May 15th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Boston 8.5 favorites tonight

    —–

    Bet on Freddy!

  12. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    JobaTipsHisCap May 15th, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Sweep time tonight btw
    ========================================

    Red Sox fans celebrate in May, Yankee fans celebrate in October.

    And I don’t see what’s wrong with Jete’s comments.

  13. joeman May 15th, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    # LGY May 15th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Boston 8.5 favorites tonight

    —–

    Bet on Freddy!
    ———————————-
    would really like to

  14. Triple Short of a Cycle May 15th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    4 NYY,

    From the previous thread.

    Have any other players made public comments besides those 2?

  15. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 15th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    “And I don’t see what’s wrong with Jete’s comments”

    They read as if he believes Jorge’s back story, which Jorge has pretty much admitted was a lie. You have to know that Jeter knew that. I would have rathered he said “No Comment” than to act like he believed Jorge’s story.

  16. joeman May 15th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    jeter will have jorge’s back no matter

  17. West Coast Yankee Fan May 15th, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Great interview with Posada on ESPN just now. Total class. He really manned up. Apologized to the fans, his teammates, Girardi and Cashman. His eyes were teary. Outstanding – could not have been more contrite.

    Well done. I respect him immensely for that.

  18. Triple Short of a Cycle May 15th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan,

    11 million dollars would make me do a lot of things. Just saying

  19. Tar May 15th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    ” I would have rathered he said “No Comment” than to act like he believed Jorge’s story.”

    “One thing I told him is if he said he needed a day to clear his mind, there’s no need to apologize,” Derek Jeter said. “I think everybody understands that”

    Laura

    I guessed you missed that sentence.

  20. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 15th, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    “Great interview with Posada on ESPN just now.”

    I would have liked to have seen that.

  21. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    Laura – I Bleed Blue May 15th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    =========================================

    I don’t know… It seems to me as if he is studiously avoiding taking any kind of position at all. Frankly, the remarks are very Jeterian in that he is clearly trying to avoid rocking the boat. If he took a postition, I would be willing to bet that it was by mistake. One of the things that I’ve always liked about Jete is that he smart, and doesn’t allow himself to get sucked into these things publicly. There’s no upside to it, and it’s a distraction from the job at hand.

  22. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 15th, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    “One thing I told him is if he said he needed a day to clear his mind, there’s no need to apologize,” Derek Jeter said. “I think everybody understands that”

    Laura

    I guessed you missed that sentence
    **********************************

    I didn’t miss anything. Jeter’s statement implies that he believes that Jorge’s issue yesterday was that he needed a day off; not that he threw a hissy fit over batting 9th.

  23. Purenyyankee May 15th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Apology accepted. Move on and win a damn game. Especially since David Price pitches tomorrow.

  24. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 15th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    “I don’t know… It seems to me as if he is studiously avoiding taking any kind of position at all. ”

    Which is his gift. He has a way of talking while actually not saying anything at all (if that even makes any sense). At times, it’s frustrating. In truth, it’s very smart and is probably why he is almost never involved in any controversy.

  25. Jerkface May 15th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Which is his gift. He has a way of talking while actually not saying anything at all (if that even makes any sense). At times, it’s frustrating. In truth, it’s very smart and is probably why he is almost never involved in any controversy.

    Its only smart if you’re trying to be above the fray and remain aloof from everything around you, which as team captain is not exactly what he should be doing.

  26. BoJo May 15th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    I see where Pete Rose is saying he wants to get back into managing a team. He says he screwed up, but has been punished for it. Others have had second chances, and he deserves one to (according to him). He says his problems are behind him and he is willing to lay odds that it won’t happen again.

  27. 10605 May 15th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Why is it that when the end comes for a guy like Posada the fans are so hard on him. He’s played his heart out for the team all these years. Doesn’t he deserve a little more compassion for the tough spot he’s in now? Same goes for Jeter.

  28. grazlaw May 15th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    posada is finished. he is a 39yr old too proud to admit that he is hurting the team with his 160 batting average .if the yankees keep playing him then they are living in the past and hurting themselves. it is time to move on. posada is only thinking about himself and not the team. he shoiuld be released.

  29. West Coast Yankee Fan May 15th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    Pete Rose bet on baseball. That should never be forgiven and he deserves no second chance. Period. Done.

  30. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Jerkface May 15th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    Its only smart if you’re trying to be above the fray and remain aloof from everything around you, which as team captain is not exactly what he should be doing.
    =====================================

    I disagree. There is very little to be gained from talking with the reporters and a lot to be lost. I think Jete’s approach with them is pitch-perfect. Behind the scenes, I suspect that Jeter wields his influence when he needs to do so, and my guess is that he probably does it with a velvet glove and a smile, rather than getting up in somebody’s face, which is generally not a good idea.

    Frankly, do you really think that Posada needed somebody else coming down on him today? Was that going to help the situation?

  31. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    BoJo May 15th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    I see where Pete Rose is saying he wants to get back into managing a team. He says he screwed up, but has been punished for it. Others have had second chances, and he deserves one to (according to him). He says his problems are behind him and he is willing to lay odds that it won’t happen again.
    ==================================

    LOL!

  32. Tar May 15th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Laura – I Bleed Blue May 15th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    “didn’t miss anything. Jeter’s statement implies that he believes that Jorge’s issue yesterday was that he needed a day off; not that he threw a hissy fit over batting 9th.”

    Laura – I Bleed Blue May 15th, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    “They read as if he believes Jorge’s back story, which Jorge has pretty much admitted was a lie.’

    How many times are you going to change your story in 10 minutes?

  33. Mike Ri May 15th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    10605

    —–

    What tough spot . .. he’s DH’ing !!. its not like hes going from a foot doctor to a neurologist. HE”S playing a kids game for gods sake !!! The Yankees gave him the WHOLE winter to get ready to be the full time DH.

    Posad pulled a Nomar .. thats why the fans are heated.. Put your pride aside and play the game.

  34. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 15th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    “Pete Rose bet on baseball. That should never be forgiven and he deserves no second chance. Period. Done.”

    I couldn’t disagree more. This guy has paid for his crimes. There are murders who have gotten off lighter than Rose.

    He belongs in the Hall. They will probably let him in after he dies, which would be a tragedy and a miscarriage of baseball justice.

  35. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    10605 May 15th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    Why is it that when the end comes for a guy like Posada the fans are so hard on him. He’s played his heart out for the team all these years. Doesn’t he deserve a little more compassion for the tough spot he’s in now? Same goes for Jeter.
    ========================================

    People love to tear down their heroes even more than they like to build them up. I never understood that.

  36. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 15th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    “How many times are you going to change your story in 10 minutes?”

    I don’t know what you are talking about. My position on Posada-Gate has been the same since the story broke last night. Feel free to go back and read all of my posts. Or don’t. Makes no difference to me.

  37. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Mike Ri May 15th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    10605

    —–

    What tough spot . .. he’s DH’ing !!. its not like hes going from a foot doctor to a neurologist. HE”S playing a kids game for gods sake !!! The Yankees gave him the WHOLE winter to get ready to be the full time DH.

    Posad pulled a Nomar .. thats why the fans are heated.. Put your pride aside and play the game.
    ===============================

    With all due respect, I don’t think that it’s as easy as you make it sound. His pride is a big part of the reason why he has been such a great Yankee. Yeah, Posada is willful and oftentimes petulant guy, but it’s part of what fuels his grit and competitiveness.

  38. BoJo May 15th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    BTW–

    I don’t know for sure what Beckett did to turn his career around, but if he keeps pitcvhing like this, Boston is going to be very tough. Lester and Beckett could go a long way.

  39. Tar May 15th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    “My position on Posada-Gate has been the same since the story broke last night.”

    It’s the issues with Jeter’s comments that I am refering to. What exactly are your issues with his comments?

  40. vinny-b May 15th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Derek Jeter:

    take notice. If/when Posada’s no longer on the team, you’re the next one to be batting 9th.

    no one is bigger than the team.

  41. Mike Ri May 15th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    10605


    With all due respect, I don’t think that it’s as easy as you make it sound. His pride is a big part of the reason why he has been such a great Yankee. Yeah, Posada is willful and oftentimes petulant guy, but it’s part of what fuels his grit and competitiveness.

    —–
    Doesn’t excuse what he pulled off last night !.

  42. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    BoJo May 15th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    BTW–

    I don’t know for sure what Beckett did to turn his career around, but if he keeps pitcvhing like this, Boston is going to be very tough. Lester and Beckett could go a long way.
    ======================================

    Has Beckett ever had a year as good as this? I have a hard time believing that this is sustainable. Lackey, Matsuzaka, and Bucholz can be had. I’m still not impressed by the Sox.

  43. YankeeRay May 15th, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    I’m all for moving on but Posadas actions were so sellfish that it’s not something that will ever be forgotten IMO. The fact that it was against Boston on national TV will amplify it forever.
    The fact that he pleaded business when negotiating for the 4th year that the Yanks didn’t want to give him won’t be forgotten either. Here we are in year 4 and he looks lost and Cash probably had it right in offering 3.
    Same with Jeter who negotiated a 4th year and I hope that won’t get ugly too when that time comes.
    This looks like a tough stretch for us and hopefully Cash brings up some kids to rejuvenite this team until next years arms come up. I’d like to see Vasquez and Montero come up and possibly an outfielder and see what happens.

    Move on but keep improving as that is what we are about.

  44. Ghostwriter May 15th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Mike Ri May 15th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    10605


    With all due respect, I don’t think that it’s as easy as you make it sound. His pride is a big part of the reason why he has been such a great Yankee. Yeah, Posada is willful and oftentimes petulant guy, but it’s part of what fuels his grit and competitiveness.

    —–
    Doesn’t excuse what he pulled off last night !.
    ========================================

    No, it doesn’t. He acted like a little snot, and I’ll bet he knows it. (From the sounds of things, it sounds like got an earful from his old man.) It’s part of the reason to forgive and forget.

  45. 10605 May 15th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Mike Ri

    So you think it’s a “kid’s game”! Then I guess anyone can play at the major league level, even you? I doubt that. There are so few sports stars that reach the level of a guy like Posada and in addition to being a great player is a real role model unlike many others. He does lots of charity work, is a good family man and is respected in his profession. I agree that his skills have deteriorated. That’s not the point I was making. I’m just saying he’s a human being and doesn’t deserve to be villified for having made a mistake.

  46. BoJo May 15th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Ghostwriter May 15th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    Has Beckett ever had a year as good as this? I have a hard time believing that this is sustainable. Lackey, Matsuzaka, and Bucholz can be had. I’m still not impressed by the Sox.
    _____________
    Beckett looks better than I have seen him since NL. I don’t know how long it will last. If he is like this the rest of season because of some meds he took, Boston will win it all. Luckily, the chances are questionable that he wiull stay this good.

  47. Joe from Long Island May 15th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Girardi earned his pay thru all this. He handled things well.

    Let’s move on and get a win. And if Jorge gets a pie, it will be baseball at it’s best.

  48. BoJo May 15th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    I hate these ESPN Sunday night 4 hour games between NY and Boston.

  49. randy l. May 15th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    “Girardi earned his pay thru all this. He handled things well.”

    yeah i was impressed with him too.

    he’s going to need to know how to handle this situation too, because there’s a whole lot of other guys that are going to be in the aging situation posada was in.

    … and on this blog itself, lgy himself knows the cruel challenges that aging creates.

    P has replaced him as as the resident young techie smart ass.

    he’s 14 and gets $120 per hour programming in multiple languages.

    sorry, lgy, the blog is a little deep in the position you occupy on the blog :)

  50. Ilovenyy May 15th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Everybody makes mistakes….yes even all of you. Forgive and move on. I love that he is an emotional player….he is a human being like the rest of us.


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