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Jeter: “We are all on the same page”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 16, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter had a conference call with Hal Steinbrenner, Randy Levine and Brian Cashman this afternoon. Jeter would not go into detail about the details of the call, but he kept telling reporters, over and over again, “We are all on the same page.”

This morning, ESPN.com reported that the Yankees front office was upset with Jeter. According to the report, members of the front office felt that Jeter essentially took Jorge Posada off the hook, even after Posada had apologized and admitted being in the wrong when he asked out of Saturday’s game.

It’s not clear who felt the conference call was necessary, but Jeter said it wasn’t his idea. He woke up to find out that he was supposed to be on the call. Jeter also said this was not the first time he’d been on a conference call with that group of front office executives.

Cashman said through a team spokesman that he would not comment on the call, and Jeter said he was ready to move on.

“It’s a non-issue,” he said.

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541 Responses to “Jeter: “We are all on the same page””

  1. jacksquat May 16th, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    Erin May 16th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
    BryanHoch Jeter would not give details, repeating the “same page” line several times. Said the more you talk about things the longer they last.

    Jeter channeling Yogi…

  2. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    How about trading Swisher for DeJesus? Beane needs a slugger and the Yankees need a contact hitter. Both are having down years. Beane is a huge fan of Swish.

  3. blake May 16th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Derek if you don’t stop defending players when we are mad at them we are going to get really really mad and hold our breath until we turn purple…..is that what you want?

  4. TD213 May 16th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Not a bad suggestion, Bret.

    After Posada, Swisher is next in line to get the boot if he doesn’t pick it up

  5. West Coast Yankee Fan May 16th, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    I’m sure Levine’s contributions on the call were awe inspiring.

  6. Chip May 16th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    I haven?t posted in a while but wanted to say something about the Posada stuff.

    1. I am totally on board with how the Yankees handled this situation. Posada earned himself a demotion to the 9 spot and the way he acted the Yankees did the smart thing by getting out in front of the story and also looking for potential remedies by the league.

    2. I am also on board with how they handled it after Posada made his apologies. They let the matter drop and that?s that.

    3. I appreciate that Jorge admitted he made a mistake. I was completely prepared for a defiant stance by Jorge where he used the back as an excuse and blamed the media for ?making a story out of it.?

    4. As for Jorge himself, I think he should have a long talk with Jason Varitek. ?Tek has handled not only demotion within the lineup but a drastic reduction in playing time over the last couple of years. He is just as proud as Jorge, just as much of a team leader as Jorge, and yet you never hear grumblings out of Boston from him about his role.

    5. Going forward with Posada I think his window is very small. When Chavez returns from the DL I can see him taking some more at bats away from Posada, either by playing Chavez at DH or giving Alex more time there.

    6. I never took thought that Posada was going to retire, nor did I think he was going to be released. He wasn?t walking away from $11 mil and the team wasn?t about to eat it. The one roster move I could see would have been to send down Cervelli, call up Montero and reduce Posada to, essentially, an emergency catcher/switch hitter off the bench. That, no doubt, would have made the situation much worse.

    7. Whereever you come down on this, I think we can agree on two things: 1 ? Jorge has to start playing better or start playing less and 2 ? this will be Posada?s last year with the Yankees.

  7. Eroc May 16th, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Pretty amusing how the Yankees have this management vs. players stance all of a sudden and try and manipulate others (players, media, fans, etc.) to side with them over the player.

  8. Warning Track Power May 16th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    The Media(ESPN) is doing all they can to make this “Front Page News” so more people will visit their homepage and/or watch Sportscenter tonight.

  9. Captain Clutch May 16th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    I am surprised that Hank wasn’t on the call. Why not get all of the clowns on there?!

  10. Chip May 16th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    As long as I’m here – a couple of other thoughts:

    SJ44 – sorry to hear that your nephew got in trouble with the league – ball players should not Tweet.

    If the Twins are still struggling like this a month from now I would certainly target Delmon Young as a possible RF option for the long term. Though lord knows he won’t come cheap. Would Austin Romine, Hector Noesi, David Phelps and another minor leaguer for Young be a fair trade?

    Like everyone else – I’m very impressed with Colon and Garcia – how long we can count on them I have no idea.

  11. Erin May 16th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan May 16th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
    I?m sure Levine?s contributions on the call were awe inspiring.

    ******************

    :lol:

  12. joeman May 16th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    would the Yankee ownership ever think about selling this franchise or is it just worth to much to sell..

  13. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    “”No one will pick igawa up. Why not release him, he is taking someone’s spot?”

    Some team might pick him up for the minimum salary, or pick him up and put him in AAA but on the 40 man roster. Then essentially all of his Yankee salary would count toward the luxury tax.

  14. yankeefeminista May 16th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    UPDATE, 4:00: Rays lineup:
    Fuld lf,
    Zobrist 2b,
    Damon dh,
    Longoria 3b,
    Joyce rf,
    Upton cf,
    Kotchman 1b,
    Brignac ss,
    Jaso c,
    Price p

  15. Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Delmon Young is hitting: .203 .250 .246 .496 :(

  16. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Expanding upon the contact hitter theme. How about trading Austin Romine+ to the Twins for Denard Span. He’s a career .290 hitter with good defense and speed. Dump Andrew Jones and make Gardner 4th OF

    Would the hits go up if you did this?

    Span in LF in place of Gardner
    DeJesus in RF in place of Swisher
    Montero at DH in place of Posada

  17. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Can’t say the Yank FO came off looking very good.

  18. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Well there’s Jason Kubel. But I can’t see it.

  19. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Edit:

    Span in LF in place of Gardner
    DeJesus in RF in place of Swisher
    Montero at DH in place of Posada

    Gardner 4th OF in place of A. Jones

  20. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    Great. Now all the team has to do is to stop sucking.

  21. joeman May 16th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    # Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Edit:

    Span in LF in place of Gardner
    DeJesus in RF in place of Swisher
    Montero at DH in place of Posada

    Gardner 4th OF in place of A. Jones
    —————————————–
    right now

  22. brownies May 16th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    I don’t see any silver linings unless we get younger somehow via trades or farm system call ups. Cashman etc have to fix this thing in mid flight.

  23. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    “DeJesus in RF in place of Swisher”

    His OPS+ is 86.

  24. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    :lol:

    Well, the Twins are out and Oakland would love Swish.

    4 easy moves.

  25. qiantom May 16th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    I think Jeter made the comments about Posada to indicate that he would not be willing to move to the bottom of the lineup this season or in the future.

  26. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    “I think Jeter made the comments about Posada to indicate that he would not be willing to move to the bottom of the lineup this season or in the future.”

    Willingness has nothing to do with it.

  27. joeman May 16th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    rather do something with the White Sox

  28. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Rich in NJ,

    So what?

    Swisher is a streaky hitter in a streaky lineup. DeJesus is not the slugger Swish is but he’s more consistent, evidenced in his career BA. He’s basically a .290 hitter in a bad lineup historically. His contact is just what the lineup needs for balance.

  29. Joe from Long Island May 16th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Chip – good to see you back. Agree with your post.

    Bret – if Beane thinks Swisher is good enough to come out of his slump…..why do we want to get rid of him? What you’re saying, essentially, is that you believe Beane is wrong in his assessment of Swish’s talent level and ability, and that Swish will not rebound.

  30. bruceb May 16th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Of course it’s a non-issue, Derek. Everything you say (at least in public) is a non-issue. Seems as though it’s a pretty big issue to the Yankees’ top brass.

  31. joeman May 16th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    this team needs a bowling or billiards party

  32. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Joeman,

    If we can acquire Danks without giving up Banuelos, Betances, Montero or Sanchez…I think we do it.

    But the question is, can we?

    And then what about the offense?

    Do the WhiteSox have a hitter who profiles well in our current lineup?

  33. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Bret

    So what? I thought the goal is to improve the team? If not, I get it.

  34. j9d May 16th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    The yanks FO has crazy issues, but how can you excuse Jeter, the so called captain, giving Posado a free pass on what he did. There is something very wrong with this picture. This is what the Yankees leadership needs to address…and now. This has become a cancerous growth and will not get better. Jeter was not a leader today. Very disappointing.

  35. Patrick May 16th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    The Yankees don’t need to trade for offense. Posada might be done but we have Montero waiting in the wings. The rest of the lineup outside of maybe Jeter is still young enough that it can safely be assumed that the current slump is just a cold streak. And despite all that, they still have the 3rd most runs scored in MLB.

    I know the pitching has been pretty good thus far but it’s probably a good bet it won’t last. We don’t need another outfielder, we need another pitcher.

  36. joeman May 16th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    CQ but don’t think WS will deal him…they could sure use a young catcher

  37. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Joe from LI,

    What I’m saying is, based on this collection of streaky hitters, I’d rather have DeJesus in RF over Swish. Plus his defense is better.

    Why would Beane do it?

    There are no power hitters in that lineup in OAK.

    I think it’s a fair swap.

  38. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    I think the Yankees need an OF but I would try Nunez there before making a trade.

  39. Niblick May 16th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    There’s only one guy who needs to get the boot: the genius who’s “managing” the team.

  40. Erin May 16th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Joelsherman1 #Yankees r good at defusing bombs, but fact there r public bombs shows true state of strained relationships with Jeter/Posada

  41. joeman May 16th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    would like to get a SP & a OFer from the WSox

  42. Patrick May 16th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    I think the Yankees need an OF but I would try Nunez there before making a trade.

    To replace Swisher? Or as a bench player?

  43. blake May 16th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Jeter wouldn’t have had to say anything if the front office could control themselves from taddleing to the first reporter they see everytime something comes up.

  44. hardwired7 May 16th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Swisher raked last yr w/2-outs & RISP: .293/.388/.534 in 58 ABs.

    Unfortunately, consistency has never been a big part of his game. He and KLong seemed to have a handle on it last season, but maybe the struggles in October have gotten into his head?

  45. blake May 16th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Joelsherman1 #Yankees r good at defusing bombs, but fact there r public bombs shows true state of strained relationships with Jeter/Posada

    Uhm no….lately they are good at pouring gasoline on bombs. This was Jorge Posada fault to start…..but the only reason we are still talking about it 2 data later is because the Yankees apparently wanted it that way.

  46. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Patrick

    To work into the mix until or unless Swisher starts to hit and/or Gardner becomes more consistent.

    Swisher is off the charts awful right now. They can’t live with that forever unless the rest of the team starts to hit.

  47. bruceb May 16th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Not likely the A’s would trade DeJesus for Swisher given how much money Swisher is on. Can’t imagine DeJesus makes a third of that.

  48. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    I just don’t see how anyone can criticize Jeter in this.

  49. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    “Joelsherman1 #Yankees r good at defusing bombs, but fact there r public bombs shows true state of strained relationships with Jeter/Posada”

    It’s virtually impossible to avoid stained relationships with iconic or near iconic players who suffer a precipitous decline in performance.

  50. West Coast Yankee Fan May 16th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    After seeing this play itself out I have a somewhat different take than I did at the beginning. I initially was very disturbed by what Posada did and still don’t think it was right on the merits. But my feelings have softened somewhat.

    I think that everyone deserves a mental health day, especially a great ballplayer like Posada who has given this team so much for so long. Did he handle it the right way, no, but who does everything right every single time. He was emotional, disappointed and reactionary. And the next day, he apologized to everyone in a very sincere way.

    Everyone deserves a mulligan, especially Jorge. Management should have realized this and instead of posturing and playing hardball and talking about breach of contract, etc., they should have all kept quiet and let Jorge play it out. It was one day and they always reserved the right to take action later on.

    That’s where Jeter is coming from I think. He believes Jorge had enough capital accumulated to have a bad day, to need a day off. He doesn’t think an apology to his team mates was warranted. That’s a team mate, friend and captain being an understanding human being. More than you can say for the suits.

  51. bruceb May 16th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Joeman May 16th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
    this team needs a bowling or billiards party

    This team needs to come to the party.

  52. joeman May 16th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    Swish is doing 9 mil……DeJesus is 6 mil

  53. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    “This was Jorge Posada fault to start…..”

    A small fault, IMO. Others made bigger ones.

  54. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Well put, WCYF.

  55. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Blake,

    Swisher makes 9 mil
    DeJesus makes 6 mil

    So actually DeJesus earns 2/3 of Swish’s salary.

    A difference of 3 mil.

    A small price to pay for Beane to add a slugger to a sluggerless lineup.

    Both can be free agents after 2011 except there is a pricey team option on Swish.

  56. j9d May 16th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Wave and Blake,

    You both have interesting perspectives in your posts so I sincerely ask you to help me out here. How do you think Jeter helped things here? I love the guy but am confounded by his doing thiis.

  57. rr212 May 16th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    hopefully they can right the ship tonite.

  58. Robert May 16th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Jeter wants to make sure Posada doesnt get a early buyout retirement,It is in his best interest to have Posada there until the end of the season…….
    Of the core 4 looks like Petitte with his year to year contracts had the most class.
    Even Mariano the greatest reliever ever held a 3year Red Sox offer over the Yankees head this winter so that he got a 2 year deal….

    Posada is a proven warrior and It is killing him that he stayed one year too long but just 5 more months and 11 million dollars to go……
    This will be repeated with Jeter in the next 2 years and AROD after him,it the price we pay for our 2009 championship…….

  59. blake May 16th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Wait….is Dejesus discussion back again?

  60. G. Love May 16th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Chip,

    Good to see you back man.

    As for trading for a contact hitter, I think there’s one we could get for salary relief and middling prospect or two – Fukudome.

    He only has a year left on his deal and is currently walking as much as he’s K’ing which would be better for this lineup.

    He’s hitting above .300 and above his head right now, but if we’re talking about getting an option for the team that hits for contact and shouldn’t cost anything other than money, he’s an option. He has no power though. Doesn’t really solve the doubles dilemma this team currently has.

    What could the Cubs possibly ask for him with the remaining salary this year?

  61. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    “Jeter wouldn’t have had to say anything if the front office could control themselves from taddleing to the first reporter they see everytime something comes up.”

    blake

    Is it really that surprising that bosses take offense to insubordination?

  62. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Blake,

    We can pivot to Denard Span in LF if you wish.

  63. Georgia_in_MS May 16th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    I think George Steinbrenner gave all his love and devotion to Jeter and Hal resents him. Now that George is dead, every time Hal gets a chance to remind Jeter who is “boss”, he’s gonna do it.

  64. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    “I think George Steinbrenner gave all his love and devotion to Jeter and Hal resents him. Now that George is dead, every time Hal gets a chance to remind Jeter who is “boss”, he’s gonna do it.”

    Right, because George never offensively dissed his star players.

  65. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    G. Love,

    Not a bad idea but I like DeJesus brand of baseball more for NYC but that’s just me.

  66. blake May 16th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    How did Jeter hurt things? He gave a PC and pretty vanilla quote like he always does about his best friend and memebers of the media and the Yankee front office have ran with it to continue this story 2 days more than it needed to be. Jeter basically said the same thing Girardi did just phrased differently…..both said he just needed a day.

    That’s what guys in the locker room who don’t want to rock the boat with teammates and create rifts do. The Yankee front office is distracting its own team.

  67. Bronx Jeers May 16th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    A small price to pay for Beane to add a slugger to a sluggerless lineup.

    ————————————————————————

    A slugger who is currently sporting a .310 slugging %. What GM wouldn’t sign up for that?

  68. bruceb May 16th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Surprised the whole world seems to be against Posada. Nobody likes being “demoted” in their job. First, Posada has to accept that he’s no longer catcher on this team (not even back-up catcher). Then he has to swallow batting No. 9 in the order (six weeks into the season). No wonder he is upset. The whole thing was handled very badly by Cashman and Girardi; it was insulting. In any case, what difference is it really going to make whether he bats seventh or ninth? He still has to hit, wherever he bats. If Girardi doesn’t think he should be batting higher than No. 9 then he shouldn’t be playing at all. I’m not going to try to justify Posada’s actions in asking out of the lineup because I can’t. Perhaps he was also influenced by the fact that his pal Jeter has been stinking the place up most of the year yet is still in the leadoff spot?

  69. bruceb May 16th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Swisher is due to make $12 mill next year I believe.

  70. munson15 May 16th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    WCYF…that was spot on.

  71. hardwired7 May 16th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Whatever ‘page’ they’re on, is there any way to hard delete it and just get back to playing good baseball?

  72. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    j9d,

    The way I see it, Jeter had to say something, the media was going to keep asking until he did. What he said seemed aimed at smoothing things over, to say Jorge was cool with his teammates and Jorge hadn’t done anything others hadn’t done. If the FO had let it be I think things would have tended that way.

    I also think Jeter was being honest.

  73. blake May 16th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Brett,

    I like Span…..not sure he’s better than what they have though. Swished is a lot better than he’s playing.

    Rich,
    Did Jorge refuse to play or request not to play? Im not sure how anything Jeter said was insubordinate

  74. Eroc May 16th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    This was as much about setting a precedent as anything else. Even iconic Yankees have to obey their manager/gm/owner and performance comes before feelings. Kind of letting the other older players know that they won’t be granted immunity here and won’t be allowed to run the asylum because of what they did a decade ago.

    I think Jeter knows this was as much a warning shot towards him as anything. The Yankees didn’t do this to get the attention of Nick Swisher or Brett Gardner.

  75. Erin May 16th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    WCYF-great post @ 4:47

  76. Nick in SF May 16th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    Actually, it was a Skype call to prove to Jeter that Randy Levine and Lonn Trost aren’t the same person.

    He’s still not convinced.

  77. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    “Surprised the whole world seems to be against Posada.”

    I don’t think it is. Did you hear the ovation Jorge got last night, and the tribute from the bleacher creatures?

  78. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    blake

    Posada, according to everything I have read, refused to play. That’s the insubordination.

    I wasn’t referring to Jeter, only the issue that caused him to comment.

  79. randy l. May 16th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    “Is it really that surprising that bosses take offense to insubordination?”

    rich in nj-

    you can be such a management kiss ass sometimes.

    baseball players aren’t employees in the same sense you are at your job and you know it.

    do companies like google and apple treat their employees in the authoritarian old fashioned model you seem to subscribe to ?

    i don’t think so.

    the steinbrothers need to get with it.

  80. hardwired7 May 16th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    $10.25M option for Swisher in 2012 ($1m buyout):

    http://www.baseball-reference......ni01.shtml

  81. joeman May 16th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    # hardwired7 May 16th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    $10.25M option for Swisher in 2012 ($1m buyout):

    http://www.baseball-reference……ni01.shtml
    —————————-
    that won’t be picked up

  82. Yank 97 May 16th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    “That’s what guys in the locker room who don’t want to rock the boat with teammates and create rifts do. The Yankee front office is distracting its own team.”

    IMO, they perceived his quote as being anti-management. They made the connection that by supporting Posada, they are not supporting management. Yankees seem very uptight about this kind of stuff lately, like they want to win the PR battle and make themselves look better than the players.

    To Jeter, it was a quote supporting his best friend. Yankee management, as they seem to do these days, overreacted to it and wanted to asset their authority to let the world know they are in control and stuff.

    I didn’t even have a problem with how they handled Posada, but them extending the story another day and giving the media another day of writing about the rift between the older players and FO, was unnecessary for something as innocuous as what Jeter said. The guy can’t even support his teammate without it leading to something more.

  83. blake May 16th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Rich,

    I don’t know how it was worded in Girardi’s office but I was under the impression that he went in and said be needed a day off…..I haven’t read that he walked and said “Im not playing”. Either way….he apologized and it should have been left at that.

  84. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    randy

    I work for myself.

    Apple and Google (bad day to discuss tech stocks, randy!!!!!!!!!) may be model employers, but if an employee is told to do a job and refuses, there is going to be a problem in any line of work.

  85. joeman May 16th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    possible FA in 12

    Outfielders
    Bobby Abreu LAA *
    Carlos Beltran NYM
    Milton Bradley SEA
    Mike Cameron BOS
    Ronny Cedeno PIT
    Michael Cuddyer MIN
    Jack Cust SEA
    David DeJesus OAK
    J.D. Drew BOS
    Jeff Francoeur KC *
    Jonny Gomes CIN
    Gabe Gross OAK
    Carlos Guillen DET
    Raul Ibanez PHI
    Conor Jackson OAK
    Jason Kubel MIN
    Ryan Ludwick SD
    Nate McLouth ATL *
    Juan Pierre CWS
    Juan Rivera TOR
    Cody Ross SF
    Grady Sizemore CLE *
    Nick Swisher NYY *
    Josh Willingham WAS

  86. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    I don’t think Jorge was insubordinate, and frankly if he was I wouldn’t care. Not my job to worry about relations between the Yankee brass and Jorge. And if I had to pick a side I’d pick Jorge’s anyway.

  87. Erin May 16th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
    blake

    Posada, according to everything I have read, refused to play. That?s the insubordination.

    *********************
    from everything I read, the Girardi/Posada exchange was fairly simple, with Posada saying he needed a day and Girardi giving it to him. No problem.

    I read that when Cashman was informed he tried to convince him to play, and that’s when the “hissy fit” happened. I’m thinking all the trouble stemmed from Cashman trying to convince him to stay in the lineup.

  88. LordD99 May 16th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    When is Randy Levine’s contract up? Or is it only Cashman who has a contract? Levine should be fired immediately. He knows nothing about baseball, is behind the signing of Soriano, and is causing most of the conflict. He adds no value.

  89. LGY May 16th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    David DeJesus is consistent?

    Career

    April: .265/.335/.405
    May: .251/.321/.374
    June: 327/.401/.486
    July: .291/.361/.407
    August: .291/.361/.423
    September: .294/.367/.446

    .300 hitter =/= consistent hitter.

  90. j9d May 16th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    Blake and Wave,

    Okay I .think I need to go back again and look at Jeter’s remarks. I thoiught I read that he said Posado did nothing wrong and he agreed with him but maybe I read it incorrectly. Posting from my phone so will look at article when on PC

  91. Robert May 16th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Here is a trade that makes sense but will never happen, Give the Red Sox Austin Romine by the looks of Salty and Tek he could start tomorrow for the next 10years…..

    And get Josh reddick and Ryan Kalish in return two AAA outfielders with upside potential…..

    last time I looked Yanks keep putting infielders in the outfield due to no prospects until A ball with Slade Healtcott…..

  92. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    blake

    Francesa said that Cashman tried to convince Posada to play after he refused to play without ever mentioning his back.

    Let’s not forget that prior to the game, Posada said that he understood why he was batting 9th (which I complimented him for at the time).

    Something changed in the interim that motivated him to change his mind and his position about playing.

    As I have said, Posada gets a pass due to past services rendered, but I can understand why his employer would be p.o.’d.

  93. blake May 16th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    “. Yankees seem very uptight about this kind of stuff lately, like they want to win the PR battle and make themselves look better than the players.”

    This is the problem…..its not a PR contest …..last I checked they are all on the same side here. If you have problems then talk about it behind closed doors….and do so without telling some reporter to tweet about it.

  94. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Erin

    That’s not my understanding.

  95. LordD99 May 16th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    joeman, based on that list, Nick Swisher is one of the two most valuable potential free-agent OFers. Grady Sizemore, if he could ever stay healthy, would be a nice addition. Overall, they will need to trade some of their minor leaguers to get another OFer. Then again, OF wasn’t their problem last year and it won’t be their problem by the end of 2012.

  96. Yank 97 May 16th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    In the heat of his anger and frustration Saturday night, Yankee icon Jorge Posada told general manager Brian Cashman that he not only wanted out of the No. 9 spot in the Yankee batting order – he wanted out of the Yankees, too, according to team sources.

    “It was just something said in the heat of anger and frustration,” a source close to Posada said of the former catcher’s angry comments to Cashman and Girardi an hour before Saturday night’s game against the Red Sox. “He didn’t want out, and doesn’t want out. He was just frustrated and said a lot of things.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....z1MYHNXbXW

  97. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Anybody worried about facing Price tonight?

  98. blake May 16th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Rich,

    Maybe Jorge got irritated when Cashman stuck his nose in after he’d already talked with the manager.

    Erin,
    Thanks….that was what I thought as well.

  99. Bronx Jeers May 16th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    When is Randy Levine’s contract up? Or is it only Cashman who has a contract? Levine should be fired immediately. He knows nothing about baseball, is behind the signing of Soriano, and is causing most of the conflict. He adds no value.

    ——————————————————————————————————

    Have you not seen the bathrooms at the new stadium? They’re glorious!

  100. Mike_Boston May 16th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Tonight should tell us a lot about this team IMO. Obviously they need a win in the worst way. After getting embarrassed in just about every phase of the game this weekend the leaders of this team need to lead by their actions.
    I’m hoping this road trip is exactly what they needed…back to back series losses at home is unacceptable for any serious contender, now is the time to get out of this rut, the mental errors have to cease, no more talking about it, just get it done. The lineup does need some kind of spark, does that mean bringing Montero up before he’s ready, I’m not sure? It can come from a struggling player’s return to production, so for now I’m hoping that Swish, Tex and/or Arod do something with the bat, in the same game. That shouldn’t be too much to ask for.
    It’s just crazy that AJ’s the one guy I feel great about coming in to tonight, besides Grandy.

  101. Patrick May 16th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    I don’t think Jorge was insubordinate, and frankly if he was I wouldn’t care. Not my job to worry about relations between the Yankee brass and Jorge. And if I had to pick a side I’d pick Jorge’s anyway.

    Credibility: blown

  102. joeman May 16th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    # Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Anybody worried about facing Price tonight?
    ————————————————-
    I’d be worried about facing a AA pitcher tonight

  103. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    blake

    What Cash did is within his job description and was at the behest of ownership.

  104. Bret The Hitman May 16th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Bronx Jeers,

    You have to go by career numbers. Swish is a slugger.

    LGY,

    It looks like DeJesus hits consistently for high average for the majority of the season. And when you compare his consistency to Swish, there is no comparison.

    They’re both good at different things.

    This lineup has more than enough streaky hitters. Do you disagree with that statement?

  105. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    “Credibility: blown”

    Nope. Just honest.

  106. jacksquat May 16th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Yank 97 May 16th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
    In the heat of his anger and frustration Saturday night, Yankee icon Jorge Posada told general manager Brian Cashman that he not only wanted out of the No. 9 spot in the Yankee batting order – he wanted out of the Yankees, too, according to team sources.

    “It was just something said in the heat of anger and frustration,” a source close to Posada said of the former catcher’s angry comments to Cashman and Girardi an hour before Saturday night’s game against the Red Sox. “He didn’t want out, and doesn’t want out. He was just frustrated and said a lot of things.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo…..z1MYHNXbXW

    There you go. Now can some people stop saying that poor, innocent Jorge merely asked for a mental day and was skewered by management for it? Please…

    Feel free to forgive Jorge, I do. He does deserve a mulligan. But don’t try to make it out like Jorge did nothing or little wrong and management is evil.

  107. Nick in SF May 16th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Nobody really covered himself with glory in this whole episode.

    Except for Andrue Jones; he never lost his smile.

  108. tampayank May 16th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    “# Warning Track Power May 16th, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    The Media(ESPN) is doing all they can to make this “Front Page News” so more people will visit their homepage and/or watch Sportscenter tonight.

    Baseball has no stories right now, ofcourse they’ll milk this…ratings down, etc

  109. blake May 16th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Sounds to me what really happened is that Jorge was upset at the demotion and just extremely frustrated with how’s he’s playing…..so he went and.asked Girardi to not play that night. Girardi was probably a little ticked but agreed.

    Then Cash comes along and presses Jorge on the situation and probably got Jorge angry and he lost his temper……then things went from there.

    I like Cashman…..I like where he is trying to take the team personnel and development wise…..but sometimes I don’t think he should talk in public ever.

  110. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    “But don’t try to make it out like Jorge did nothing or little wrong and management is evil.”

    No one is saying management is evil, but it turned a minor spat which should have been dealt with internally into a mega-issue and publicly attacked a great Yankee who should have been dealt with with more understanding.

  111. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    “Nobody really covered himself with glory in this whole episode.”

    Granderson did. Rather than let this epic confrontation distract him, he was the only player on the team that actually produced this weekend.

  112. blake May 16th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Rich,

    Ownership requesting something doesn’t make it right. Im tired of the story….I think its distracting the team and their focus away from what they should be thinking about…..which is winning a baseball game

  113. hardwired7 May 16th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    I’ll take Andruw Jones’s Pudding Face for $500, Alex.

  114. Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    This thing is becoming a projective psychology test, like so much of life.

    Later.

  115. LordD99 May 16th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Bret The Hitman, so you want to trade Swisher for a player who has had an inferior career because Swisher if off to a slow start, yet DeJesus is hitting .228? I think last year people wanted DeJesus to replace Granderson, who remains one of the top OFers in the league. Now they want to trade to get him to replace a better player.

    Sometimes the comments here are, well…

  116. Melk Man May 16th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    “I like Cashman…..I like where he is trying to take the team personnel and development wise…..but sometimes I don’t think he should talk in public ever.”

    The funny part is that he used to be the most dull, bland, boring interview ever. People always joked he would talk for 5 minutes and not say anything but recycle cliches. Now? He won’t shut up lol

    Even yesterday after jorge apologized he said that the team hasn’t decide whether or not to punish him, etc.

  117. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Jorge probably thinks if he were catching more he’d be hitting better, and he wants to catch. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the matter, I’m sure it eats at him. Cashman ought to understand that and shouldn’t have gone on national TV to blow the whole thing up.

  118. j9d May 16th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Nobody really covered himself with glory in this whole episode.

    Except for Andrue Jones; he never lost his smile

    _______________________________________________

    Yes this is probably how it washes out, Nick.

  119. jacksquat May 16th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Remember that Jorge said he would be addressing the media after the game before Cashman said anything publicly. And then Cashman told Jorge and his agent what he was going to say.

  120. Bronx Jeers May 16th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Bronx Jeers,

    You have to go by career numbers. Swish is a slugger.

    ————————————————————————————–

    Right. Except now he is not slugging. Which is why you would want to trade him.

    Why is it always assumed that the receiving team will always overlook the reason the player they are acquiring is being traded in the first place?

  121. j9d May 16th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    ….though I think Rich has some good points….

  122. West Coast Yankee Fan May 16th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Thanks Erin, Wave Your Hat and Munson 15.

  123. austinmac May 16th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Bret,

    I have always looked upon DeJesus as a solid player. A Roy White with a betternarm.

  124. Patrick May 16th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Nope. Just honest.

    It might be your honest opinion but by voicing it you’ve blown any credibility you had.

    Girardi put Posada in the lineup and Posada refused to play. If that’s not insubordination I don’t know what is

  125. Betsy May 16th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    I don’t blame the Yankees for being annoyed with Jeter, but if they say it’s done, then ok.

  126. Betsy May 16th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Blake, and I’m fine with that. Posada pulled a garbage stunt that reeked of selfishness and if the Yankees were furious enough to talk about it, so be it. It all would have come out in the open anyway…….

  127. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    “Girardi put Posada in the lineup and Posada refused to play. If that’s not insubordination I don’t know what is”

    Then you don’t know what insubordination is. Baseball’s not the army, being put in the lineup is not an “order”. It’s an honor. If Jorge didn’t think he could concentrate for whatever reason, he had a right to ask out. As Jeter said, it’s not a rare occurrence.

  128. Wang IS Taiwan May 16th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    I’ve been less-than-impressed by Cashman and the Yankees FO — esp this year. Good management keeps employee matters confidential and doesn’t try to plead their case to the public (or other office employees) by talking about internal matters to sway others’ support to their side. What is this? Junior High??

    Cashman seems to be going through his own personal issues this year, but he needs to grow up and quit speaking to the media without a filter. He’s acting like the boss nobody ends up respecting because he can’t be trusted not to blab or badmouth his employees. I’ve worked with managers like that in the past and their authority among their employees was instantly gone.

    No class.

  129. Betsy May 16th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Blake, Jeter took Posada’s side despite what the Yankees had said. Posada out and out lied about his back and Jeter sided with his best friend, his BF who disrespected the game. That’s not what Jeter is supposed to be about…. I prefer the way Mo has handled it – he’s said nothing.

  130. Wang IS Taiwan May 16th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    And don’t get me started on info that’s leaking from some “high-placed Yankee official.”

  131. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 16th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    “Except for Andruw Jones; he never lost his smile”

    So I’m not the only one who noticed that this guy is always smiling. Has he seen his numbers? What the hell is there to smile about? Even Cano has stopped smiling and he smiles all the time.

  132. austinmac May 16th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    When is realistic time for a trade to occur? Much before the TD? I always love trade talk, but aren’t we two months premature?

  133. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 16th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    “And don’t get me started on info that’s leaking from some “high-placed Yankee official.”

    What, you don’t believe it that someone in the organization leaked the hissy fit to Jack Curry? I do. He didn’t make it up, that’s for sure.

  134. Betsy May 16th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Wave, couldn’t disagree more. Jorge has a job to do. He refused to do it. That’s insubordination. If my boss gives me an assignment and I beg off – and then lie about the whole thing – I have a feeling I might not have a job.

  135. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    “I prefer the way Mo has handled it – he’s said nothing.”

    Link to where he was asked to comment?

  136. NYY626 - Retire 46 May 16th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Betsy – Jeter got grilled for saying nothing on saturday night, so he couldn’t go the Mo root.( which was unfair because he didn’t know the situation and probably wanted to talk to jorge first). And if you listen to his audio he didnt say anything bad about the FO. Girardi pretty much “sided” with jorge too.

  137. Betsy May 16th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Wave, I have no link……but I’m sure he was asked like Jeter……..and even if he wasn’t, I still prefer the way he handled it. I’m not a fan of how Jeter backs his BFF no matter what they do, but he treats other players differently.

  138. NYY626 - Retire 46 May 16th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    and by root I mean route. Whoops.

  139. Wang IS Taiwan May 16th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    No Laura, you missed my point completely. Yankees FO shouldn’t be talking to the media under cover of anonymity.

  140. Patrick May 16th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Then you don’t know what insubordination is. Baseball’s not the army, being put in the lineup is not an “order”. It’s an honor. If Jorge didn’t think he could concentrate for whatever reason, he had a right to ask out. As Jeter said, it’s not a rare occurrence.

    Posada gets paid to play baseball for the Yankees. He refused to play baseball for the Yankees because he was insulted that Girardi wanted to bat him 9th. If my boss told me to complete a task and I refused to do so because I thought it was below me I’d be disciplined and maybe fired. It’s no different with Posada.

  141. Captain Clutch May 16th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    If the Yanks want to call Jeter into the principal’s office fine but there is no reason to announce it to the world. When they have to deal with the veteran players on the team for some reason they feel the need to get the temperature of the fans and tell them their side of the story. There is no reason for the Yankee official said this crap that is always in the newspapers. They have to learn how to handle these situations behind closed doors and move on.

  142. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 16th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    I read an article this morning where Mo said that things like this happen and we just have to move on. Can’t remember which site it was, but it was one of the sports sites (i.e SI.com, ESPN.com, etc).

  143. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Betsy, you are OK by me and don’t take this personally, but your job isn’t baseball and you aren’t a borderline Hall of Fame catcher who has contributed enormously to the success of the New York Yankees.

  144. Wang IS Taiwan May 16th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    As much as I dislike Girardi as a game manager, he handled the situation with grace.

  145. RayVT May 16th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan May 16th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    I totally agree. I really think Cashman is seen too much & it seems to be something he is trying to stimulate.

    I think he basically needs to go. He has his boy Joe G coaching and placating Cashman with this crap about almost everything from Joba to lineups to statements regarding health. I have been a Cashman supporter for years, but I see what Torre meant now when he said Cashman threw him under the bus. Everyone in his way is thrown under. Talk about Egos!

  146. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 16th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Let’s be real, people. If this “I’m not playing stunt” had been pulled by one of the lesser players, they would have been fired on the spot. Jorge is lucky that he’s Jorge Posada.

  147. LGY May 16th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    Then you don’t know what insubordination is. Baseball’s not the army, being put in the lineup is not an “order”. It’s an honor. If Jorge didn’t think he could concentrate for whatever reason, he had a right to ask out. As Jeter said, it’s not a rare occurrence.

    ——

    The issue is not who does or doesn’t know what insubordination means.

    The issue is people not understanding what refusing to play means.

  148. randy l. May 16th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    betsy-

    just curious. do you post on the blog at work and is your boss ok with that?

    even if you don’t , i have a hunch this blog doesn’t exist without people posting at work.

    people jumping on this respecting management thing are getting a little carries away in my opinion.

  149. Betsy May 16th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Wave, ok, lol.

  150. blake May 16th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Betsy,

    The point is that those Jeter comments were intended (IMO) to be smoothing over and back to baseball……..not the shot at the front office that the media is trying to drum up.

  151. Betsy May 16th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Randy, I’m not sure what your point is and no – I don’t. I post at work, if I post, during my lunch break when I go to the library.

    I don’t want to get into an argument with you……..we’re not going to agree on this.

  152. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    Patrick, if you had contributed enormously to your company for fifteen years and you were generally regarded as one of the great people in the world at your job but you blew up and walked out for a day over a dispute, no you wouldn’t be fired and no you wouldn’t be disciplined.

    This notion that ballplayers are like us ordinary people, or should be, is naive and smacks of jealousy and envy.

  153. Abomb82 May 16th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    CC,

    Because that is how the Yankees do things now – they want everyone to know their stance on everything.

    From now on, the players have to know to avoid communicating with the GM unless they have to because he’ll feel the need to put himself in the middle of the story and leak it to the press.

    Good luck to them trying to get Jeter to tow the company line. He’ll say what he wants. What are they going to do? Go after his contract too?

  154. Wang IS Taiwan May 16th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    # Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    “I prefer the way Mo has handled it – he’s said nothing.”

    Link to where he was asked to comment?
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I believe I read it in one of NY’s newspapers: Post, Daily News or perhaps even the Ledger. It was in one of the post-game reports.

  155. Betsy May 16th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Blake, I think those comments were intended to back his BFF up and only that. Again, where was Jeter last year when AJ punched the wall? He never said that an apology wasn’t necessary – something similar to what he said about Jorge. He commented that AJ apologized and that was sufficient.

  156. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 16th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    “Betsy, you are OK by me and don’t take this personally, but your job isn’t baseball and you aren’t a borderline Hall of Fame catcher who has contributed enormously to the success of the New York Yankees.”

    Wave, you’re guilty of what I think a lot of fans are guilty of – forgetting that playing baseball is a job. Yes, it’s a fun job – a heck of a lot more fun than our jobs – but it’s still a job. Jorge’s job is to do whatever management tells him to do. If you refuse to do your job, that’s grounds for termination. Again, Jorge is very lucky that he wasn’t fined or canned for what he did.

  157. West Coast Yankee Fan May 16th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Betsy May 16th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Wave, couldn’t disagree more. Jorge has a job to do. He refused to do it. That’s insubordination. If my boss gives me an assignment and I beg off – and then lie about the whole thing – I have a feeling I might not have a job.

    ************

    Don’t you think after so many years of being a dedicated employee if you will, that Jorge deserved a pass for one screw up? He is a proud man who lost his cool, and the next day he apologized sincerely.

    If you worked for someone for that long – wouldn’t you think you’d deserve a little understanding for one indiscretion.

  158. bruceb May 16th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Apparently, Cash is taking Jorge rappelling this weekend. He says he’ll bring the ropes.

  159. TD213 May 16th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Will Soriano feel like pitching against the Mets? The weather is supposed to be warmer this weekend.

  160. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
    I don’t think Jorge was insubordinate, and frankly if he was I wouldn’t care. Not my job to worry about relations between the Yankee brass and Jorge. And if I had to pick a side I’d pick Jorge’s anyway.

    ///

    Hip Hip!!!!!!

  161. Wave Your Hat May 16th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Thanks, JAP. I’m out of here. The Yanks need to hit tonight.

  162. Doc Iac May 16th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    LordD99 May 16th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Bret The Hitman, so you want to trade Swisher for a player who has had an inferior career because Swisher if off to a slow start, yet DeJesus is hitting .228? I think last year people wanted DeJesus to replace Granderson, who remains one of the top OFers in the league. Now they want to trade to get him to replace a better player.

    Sometimes the comments here are, well…

    ————————————-

    couldnt agree more, u have people callin for nunez to play OF, Span to replace gardner….next ull hear them wantin Mo to play catcher

  163. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 16th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    I can tell from many of the comments that a lot of you either don’t work or have never worked for a large corporation. This notion that you can refuse to do your job (for no good reason) and the company is supposed to be okay with it is misguided to say the least.

  164. TD213 May 16th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    I know people think Cashman is doing all this talking and acting this way because he is out at the end of the year so he is loose… but what team would want an average to slightly above average GM who can’t shut up?

  165. Betsy May 16th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    WC, nope – I don’t give him a pass at all. I don’t give any professional a pass for that stunt.

  166. Captain Clutch May 16th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    I don’t know who is a worse match up for the Yanks…Price or Shields and his changeup in the dirt that the Yanks always seem to have trouble laying off. Hopefully AJ and Nova can keep them in these games.

  167. randy l. May 16th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    “I don’t want to get into an argument with you……..we’re not going to agree on this.”

    betsy-

    it’s not an argument.

    i just subscribe very much to the “question authority” school of thought, and i was just trying to point out that most employees don’t do everything their bosses want them to do. maybe i got you mixed up with erica. :)

  168. blake May 16th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    AJs situation didn’t turn into the firestorm that this has…..Jorge was the best man in Jeter’s wedding……I guess Im just not understanding why people are surprised that he would defend him.

  169. Bronx Jeers May 16th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Jorge’s played a gazillion games injured.

    His career is basically flashing before his eyes. He reaches a low point Sat afternoon when he finds out he’s now basically being perceived as the worst hitter on the club. His already fleeting confidence plummets even deeper. He knows he’s not going to help the club feeling that way so he asks out. His manager apparently understands.

    If Cashman isn’t as insensitive as a toilet seat, then really do you think there’s this big hoopla the last 3 days?

  170. Patrick May 16th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Patrick, if you had contributed enormously to your company for fifteen years and you were generally regarded as one of the great people in the world at your job but you blew up and walked out for a day over a dispute, no you wouldn’t be fired and no you wouldn’t be disciplined.

    This notion that ballplayers are like us ordinary people, or should be, is naive and smacks of jealousy and envy.

    Doesn’t matter who you are, no player is greater than the team. I can’t believe that any fan is ok with Posada refusing to play because of his ego.

  171. RayVT May 16th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    The crime was not that Jorge wanted the day off for whatever reason, the crime was Cashman making it an issue on national TV before the Red Sox game and saying Posada would address the nation after the game.

    That is just crap! A ego maniac bit of control freak crap. If it was my team, Cashman would be fired for stupidity.

    Players are told to be truthful to the Coaches & as soon as Posada says I can’t play tonight he is the problem which isn’t fair. I agree with Jeter as this is a non-issue.

    Most of the negative Posada posters I have this question. If Posada asked for a day off & he was hitting .450 with 15 HRs right now do you think the Yanks would have said anything???

    Right! I didn’t think so either. This is a smear campaign to get rid of Posada.

    Posada was 4-13 (.308) in his last 4 games before being moved to 9th. I just think Cashman wants Jorge gone before the playoffs.

  172. Captain Clutch May 16th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Jorge was the best man in Jeter’s wedding
    —–

    The other way around lol

  173. The Other Phil May 16th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Sigh. I can’t believe this is still being discussed.

    Take the games against Tampa and the Yanks can move toward getting back to where they need to be.

    Please no defensive mistakes!!

  174. tyanksfan36 May 16th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    Laura
    I’ve done that before, I called out one day because I wanted to go to the beach with a friend and my boss knew it, I even told her the reason after she called me out and they didn’t do anything about it because I had worked there so long and had never called out before. Its different because he isn’t new, he has always done his best and I’m fine with him taking a day.

  175. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 16th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    “Doesn’t matter who you are, no player is greater than the team. I can’t believe that any fan is ok with Posada refusing to play because of his ego.”

    Like I said, if it had been a lesser player (or Alex), the fan base would have been eaten him alive. He most certainly wouldn’t have gotten a standing ovation.

  176. Betsy May 16th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Randy, I’m not saying that authority should never be questioned, but I believe this is a black and white issue. Jorge is being paid to do a job. He acted in his own bests interests – not the team’s. I can not take him seriously now if he gets into another player’s face about not doing the right thing given that he just did the absolute wrong thing.

  177. Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Being a good employee and then taking a day off is not the analogy. Its being a good employee and recently being not so good and then when management says they are demoting you to a lesser position you flip out and storm out of the place.

  178. Betsy May 16th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Blake, then Jeter shouldn’t be the captain if he can’t defend his teammates equally. AJ’s situation was still pretty bad and clearly Jeter expected an apology – or at least thought one was warranted. The idea that he didn’t think one was warranted here is rather silly.

  179. Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    I’ve done that before, I called out one day because I wanted to go to the beach with a friend and my boss knew it, I even told her the reason after she called me out and they didn’t do anything about it because I had worked there so long and had never called out before. Its different because he isn’t new, he has always done his best and I’m fine with him taking a day.

    Jorge didn’t call out to go to the beach, he didn’t want to hit 9th and is seeing the end of his career coming. Not to mention there ire a finite amount of baseball games so calling out for 1 is a bigger deal than a normal job.

  180. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 16th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    “Laura
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    You also don’t make $13M a year or $71K a day (I don’t think).

    Look at how the Yankees must see this. They didn’t want to give Posada the 4th year, but do because of his “I’m going to the Mets” threat. He’s hitting .160, they are paying him 13M and he’s going to refuse to play? If fans don’t understand why they were pissed, they need to think about it again.

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    actually it’s not. it doesn’t work that way. let joe tell alex he’s playing left field tonight.

    i suppose the yankees could do that, but it would get sticky real quick if they tried to force him to do it.

    management in baseball doesn’t get to order players around as much as people on this blog think.

    the way some describe the employee relationship between players and ownership, they seem to think the owners could tell them to sell hot dogs and that would be their right because they are the owners.

  183. Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    the way some describe the employee relationship between players and ownership, they seem to think the owners could tell them to sell hot dogs and that would be their right because they are the owners.

    Well I’d love to sell hotdogs for 13 mil.

  184. Patrick May 16th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    actually it’s not. it doesn’t work that way. let joe tell alex he’s playing left field tonight.

    There would obviously be some push-back from Alex and his agent but ultimately if Girardi stuck to his guns, what other recourse would A-rod have? Either play LF or be in breach of contract

  185. Bronx Jeers May 16th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Will Soriano feel like pitching against the Mets?

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  186. Captain Clutch May 16th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

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  187. West Coast Yankee Fan May 16th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Laura – I Bleed Blue May 16th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    I can tell from many of the comments that a lot of you either don’t work or have never worked for a large corporation. This notion that you can refuse to do your job (for no good reason) and the company is supposed to be okay with it is misguided to say the least.

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    You are wrong about not working for a corporation. That aside, the Yankees are a sports franchise with a limited staff of highly skilled workers. They are not Home Depot.

    You are also wrong in thinking that their are not corporate managers out there would not be understanding if a long time employee who was valued and respected had a bad day and reacted emotionally to a situation. He apologized.

  188. Tarheel In NYC May 16th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    I don’t condone what Jorge did, but I can understand how he got there. It’s hard getting older, especially for an athlete. I’d imagine that Jorge is dealing with embarrassment, humiliation (on a national level), and a deep sense of loss. He expresses all of those feelings with anger and emotional outbursts, right or wrong.

    I’m not okay with what he did. But I am okay with the Yankees letting him off the hook after he apologized. Based on his track record and the current situation, I think he deserves forgiveness from the FO and the fans. Forgiving someone doesn’t mean you support their behavior or allow them continue. It just means you…forgive them.

    I wish we could move on. We’ve got way bigger problems than this, my fellow fans.

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    reading about the concussion problems posada already has . i’d be surprised if he doesn’t have other things happen that may seem uncharacteristic for him.

    if people want to try to milh every last drop out of the issue, i could counter that the yankee provided an unsafe workplace as employees and damaged jorge podada’s brain. if posada acts up a little , well who’s fault is that?

    his employers let him take a beating to the brain for years and did nothing about it until it was too late.

    i’m obviously spinning this situation, but if i were the yankees i’d be careful how far they push it because it’s a fact posada is brain damaged from working for the yankees. how much is the question.

    an injury attorney might have some interesting ideas about how much that would be.

  191. Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    i’m obviously spinning this situation, but if i were the yankees i’d be careful how far they push it because it’s a fact posada is brain damaged from working for the yankees. how much is the question.

    Posada wants to be starting catcher and all players want to play injured. He endangered himself.

  192. BBFan May 16th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

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    Jeter was wrong in his comments. He has no business saying to media that Posada did not do anything wrong, when he was absolutely wrong. How can Yanks ignore this esepcially when this mess will likely repeat with him later this year or next year. Now he will think twice in his actions when that time comes.

    Jeter and Posada were great players in the past. Now their skills are diminished. There is no way the team can keep carrying them in the every day lineup and be successful especially when every one else including Cano are struggling.

    Any way, Jeter did not fully live up to resposibilities of the Captain. He picks and chooses who he wants to support and not support when as captain he has an obligation to the team as a whole, not just his friends.

    People who think the Boss would have handled differently are wrong. Boss would have blasted them both in the media and made them look very bad, given both of them were wrong. I like the way Hal handles these situations. Jeter brought it on himself by making those wrong comments and there is no way the management can let that be the last word.

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    Comparing Posada to a corporate employee doesn’t quite fly, or perhaps it does. I have quite a few people who work for me and they are all different personalities. Last year, one of my best employees totally wigged out, including on me, and refused to work on a project. I told him to go home and come back the next day. He did, he came back, apologized, explained what was happening in his life to cause the flare up, picked up the project and remains a very good employee. At no point was my reaction to fire him, cut his pay, embarass him in front of other empoyees, or make the situation a public issue. The Yankees management should have done the same with Posada.

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  196. J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

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    The crime was not that Jorge wanted the day off for whatever reason, the crime was Cashman making it an issue on national TV before the Red Sox game and saying Posada would address the nation after the game.

    That is just crap! A ego maniac bit of control freak crap. If it was my team, Cashman would be fired for stupidity.

    Players are told to be truthful to the Coaches & as soon as Posada says I can’t play tonight he is the problem which isn’t fair. I agree with Jeter as this is a non-issue.

    Most of the negative Posada posters I have this question. If Posada asked for a day off & he was hitting .450 with 15 HRs right now do you think the Yanks would have said anything???

    Right! I didn’t think so either. This is a smear campaign to get rid of Posada.

    Posada was 4-13 (.308) in his last 4 games before being moved to 9th. I just think Cashman wants Jorge gone before the playoffs.

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    You may be right that they knew Posada is easy to provoke and it was all a set up. If so, that’s pathetically evil and calculated and ultimately, sad.

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