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# blake May 16th, 2011 at 11:53 am
The Yankee front office act is wearing thin on me…..news flash guys, the fans care about the players not your comments or whether your feathers are ruffled or you’re offended by a player defending his best friend and long time teammate. What exactly did they think Jeter was going to say? Are they mad at Girardi as well for covering for him?
You guys may own and/or run the team but nobody pays money to watch you sit in your press boxes and this open door policy with Buster and friends is counterproductive. Have your opinions but keep them in house, at least big stein was entertaining when he popped off to the media every day.
End rant
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I couldn’t agree more.
“I couldn’t agree more.”
I couldn’t agree less.
Nice try, Jerkface, but your history belies your credibility on this one.
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My history of asking Jeter to be a better Captain? I guess. One of the reasons I am down on Jeter is that he is a bad Captain. From a clubhouse perspective, perhaps all the yankees love and adore him (though I doubt that given the way he has portrayed himself in the media), but outwardly he isn’t a great Captain. He doesn’t fight the hard battles for his teammates and he totally gives Jorge a pass when even saying NOTHING would be preferable.
# Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Nice try, Jerkface, but your history belies your credibility on this one.
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My history of asking Jeter to be a better Captain? I guess. One of the reasons I am down on Jeter is that he is a bad Captain. From a clubhouse perspective, perhaps all the yankees love and adore him (though I doubt that given the way he has portrayed himself in the media), but outwardly he isn’t a great Captain. He doesn’t fight the hard battles for his teammates and he totally gives Jorge a pass when even saying NOTHING would be preferable.
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However, although you keep asserting this narrative, it is not at all what the players say. Again, nice try.
ugh…stupid Rays feed.
If you expect to see Banuelos in the rotation next year you better write a letter to the Yanks suggesting they let him pitch some this year. He’s only got 26 innings so far.
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Saving his innings for a summer call up to the Bronx.
# Erin May 16th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
ugh…stupid Rays feed.
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I sympathize, but Michael Kay is no picnic either.
blake – I wonder though, as much as some of the front office’s antics have had me scratching my head lately, if the media’s role in this is really what’s driving this (and many other) non-stories.
Imagine what we would’ve done to players like Joe D, the Mick, and Ruth if they played for us now. The time of players aging gracefully and fade away from professional sports is gone. Money changed everything. The sooner some people here accept that, the better.
Hollywood Jeter seems to be someone more concerned with being in movies, his contract, building an empire, and trying to maintain a neutral media presence on the tough issues than with being Yankee Captain.
# LGY May 16th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
If you expect to see Banuelos in the rotation next year you better write a letter to the Yanks suggesting they let him pitch some this year. He’s only got 26 innings so far.
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Saving his innings for a summer call up to the Bronx.
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QFT
yankeefeminista May 16th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
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I sympathize, but Michael Kay is no picnic either.
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believe me, I’d take Kay any day over the Rays guys.
However, although you keep asserting this narrative, it is not at all what the players say. Again, nice try.
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Its not me asserting a narrative, its my opinion. I would love it if you shared glowing quotes about Jeter’s captaincy though.
“However, although you keep asserting this narrative, it is not at all what the players say. Again, nice try.”
I personally think the captaincy means almost nothing, but if you think the players are going to be objective, you are being naive.
# Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Hollywood Jeter seems to be someone more concerned with being in movies, his contract, building an empire, and trying to maintain a neutral media presence on the tough issues than with being Yankee Captain.
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Um, right.
# Erin May 16th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
yankeefeminista May 16th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
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I sympathize, but Michael Kay is no picnic either.
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believe me, I’d take Kay any day over the Rays guys.
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Yes, they are pretty bad, but hearing Kay’s voice and inane observations over the years certainly grates on one.
I would love it if you could backup Jeter is a great Captain idea from an outward perspective (remember I am only doing the same). He didn’t backup the Yankees best player in his time of need on more than 1 occasion. He puts guys on a blacklist in the clubhouse if they mess up even once, regardless of apology. He makes teammates choose between Jeter and said guy.
Jeter has an Edge though!
Um, right.
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Derek Jeter has more IMDB credits than Nick Swisher.
# Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
I would love it if you could backup Jeter is a great Captain idea from an outward perspective (remember I am only doing the same). He didn’t backup the Yankees best player in his time of need on more than 1 occasion. He puts guys on a blacklist in the clubhouse if they mess up even once, regardless of apology. He makes teammates choose between Jeter and said guy.
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I really have no desire to discuss Jeter’s captaincy one way or another until you again start this media created drivel about Jeter being a poor captain. But then that it is what you do…
Repost:
G. Love-
Jorge just flipped out and handled it badly. Things have been getting to him. Cumulative
frustration.
He knows he made a mistake. A big one. He apologized to the relevant parties.
He has been a Yankee stalwart for years.
Why not cut him some slack ? I think he’s earned that much.
He needs to perform. I hope he still can.
Just my 2 cents.
yankeefeminista and blake you are right on the money regarding Yankee management.
If they are upset about Jeter defending Posada, (that’s what a captain, friend and team mate does) what good does it do to make sure that is aired publicly knowing the media environment in New York?
They have no grasp as to what a smart public relations posture is and I believe it comes from arrogance.
The media did not tell me that Jeter is a bad captain. I merely inferred it from years of watching him handle issues on the team. Why don’t you find those quotes ?
(that’s what a captain, friend and team mate does)
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The Captain should be stewarding the team, not looking out for Jorge Posada.
# Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
“However, although you keep asserting this narrative, it is not at all what the players say. Again, nice try.”
I personally think the captaincy means almost nothing, but if you think the players are going to be objective, you are being naive.
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The players might be more objective than Jerkface though, who is still holding his Alex got dissed by Jeter grudge from 7 years ago.
Admittedly, Arod and Jeter have long-term contracts that are bad (for the Yankees.) Jeter’s and Arod’s production is down; their performance is huring the team. But who exactly are they blocking? I don’t see anyone in the minors ready to come up and play SS or 3B.
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# Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
The media did not tell me that Jeter is a bad captain. I merely inferred it from years of watching him handle issues on the team. Why don’t you find those quotes ?
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Inference though self-professedly isn’t something you are good at. Stick to the numbers and leave inference for the shrinks.
You’re doing very little refute the issue, yankeefeminista.
They aren’t “saving” Banuelos. He missed 2 weeks and is just now getting over 90 pitches per outing and getting to 5-6 innings.
In Derek Jeters own book he is portrayed as unforgiving and cliquey.
GLove-
What MTU said at 12:17pm.
Derek Jeter is a great captain because he made the flip play?
Derek Jeter is a great captain because he has been a good baseball player for lots of years?
Blake-
I’m on the same page with you about the Yankee brass using the media to make points that should only be made in private. As a form of pressure and manipulation.
Don’t like that agenda. If they want to send a message that’s not the forum.
Same goes for any players that might try to do the same.
It’s not the right way IMO.
# Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
You’re doing very little refute the issue, yankeefeminista.
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Why do I need to refute something that you have no evidence to support?
Who acts more like a Captain? Posada and his fiery attitude, not pulling punches when the yankees stink and trying to keep their heads in the game (recent incidents not withstanding)? A-rod and his analytical approach to the game and willingness to help younger players ? Derek Jeter and…?
We do know that when Derek Jeter sits he makes it his mission to be as annoying as possible to everyone on the bench. Not really a teamplayer.
Ok, this has to stop (in a democratic fashion).
Everyone who cares what Jerkface thinks about Jeter as captain, raise your hand!
Jeter’s comments on L’Affaire Posada were the most sensible comments anyone had. How does that make him a bad captain?
The Posada and Jeter situations are a lot alike. Neither side handled it well and both sides share in equal blame for it ever making it into print/media.
Why do I need to refute something that you have no evidence to support?
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How are you missing the evidence? Read the Derek Jeter book, look at how he treated A-rod, a guy who did no bad thing to Jeter since coming to the Yankees and Jeter actively sought to alienate him. Bland media statements, hand waving everything. Look at how many people hate Joba for tipping his cap and thats all Jeter has done in his career. A great hat tipper.
Everyone who cares what Jerkface thinks about Jeter as captain, raise your hand!
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I lean to Jerkface’s side of this.
Jeter?s comments on L?Affaire Posada were the most sensible comments anyone had. How does that make him a bad captain?
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Wave Your Hat
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Because his comments are robotic BS !! . .
# Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Who acts more like a Captain? Posada and his fiery attitude, not pulling punches when the yankees stink and trying to keep their heads in the game (recent incidents not withstanding)? A-rod and his analytical approach to the game and willingness to help younger players ? Derek Jeter and…?
We do know that when Derek Jeter sits he makes it his mission to be as annoying as possible to everyone on the bench. Not really a teamplayer.
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Oops, I opened Pandora’s box. Do you hear yourself; you are ranting. Let’s move on.
first pitch jeter. that should be his nickname. he hits the first pitch he see’s usually to the shortstop or 2nd baseman..
jeter is losing mayn points with me. he is tone death like the rest. the #’s are not real jsut ask him. the declining obp, slugging %, etc. that are some geeks #’s.
his 39 yr old buddy refusing to play because he was embarrassed to hit 9th, is OK, since these guys are royalty. Jeter move down in the order, no way that would be a blow to his enormous ego… when is an adult going to take over the asylum????????????
If we were in person, I’d be talking calmly listing these as bullet points, not really a rant. You’re the one sticking your fingers in your ears and going lalalalalalalalalala or trying to simply make fun of me instead of honestly debating it.
i am not exactly a arod lover but jeter still upset at a arods comments from 10 years ago, get real. get some thicker skin you baby……………..
this ‘captaincy’ is a bunch of crap.
What Yankees captain has been a stalwart figure for each of his teammates?
Munson and Reggie had enormous issues, Donnie Baseball wasn’t exactly a front page kind of guy, and the Yankees dynasty team of the 1950′s and early ’60s had NO captain.
In fact, from 1941 through 1976, the Yankees had no captains and won, by my quick run through, 11 World Championships.
So who really cares about this figurehead role anyway, I doubt the players care one bit.
Shame Spencer,
I think all voices are welcome, except for obvious trolls
“Tone death”, Gracie? Did his ear die or just his telephone?
Where is the evidence that the only issue Jeter had with Alex was pertaining to his quotes from Esquire? How do we know he didn’t also sleep with his mother and club a baby seal before he was interviewed?
Derek Jeter and Jorge Posada have been friends and team mates for more than a decade.
They have been to war together in essence.
What kind of a person would Jeter be if he abandoned his friend just when he needed him most ?
Jorge is messed up. He’s trying to come to terms with some very difficult things.
Jeter knows that. He may face the same things before he knows it.
Jeter is just trying to be supportive of his friend in a difficult time.
That outweighs just being the Captain.
How do any of us know what jeter may have said to Jorge in private ?
Jeter gets a pass for being on SNL and being on Seinfeld and being in movies and everyone craps on Swisher for being in 1 TV show. Doesn’t make any sense.
“Everyone who cares what Jerkface thinks about Jeter as captain, raise your hand!”
I don’t care what anyone thinks about it because it’s a bogus position.
MTU @ 12:32 – I thnk you’re onto something.
I’ve never met a fan base so convinced they understand the inner workings of a(n) clubhouse/organization the way Yankee fans claim to.
I always thought of the captaincy as an honorary title.
“What kind of a person would Jeter be if he abandoned his friend just when he needed him most ?”
“How do any of us know what jeter may have said to Jorge in private ?”
Which is all he had to say: “These issues are handled in private.”
Nothing more, nothing less.
Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
If we were in person, I’d be talking calmly listing these as bullet points, not really a rant. You’re the one sticking your fingers in your ears and going lalalalalalalalalala or trying to simply make fun of me instead of honestly debating it.
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You have already made your decision, so why even pretend you want to have an honest discussion about this topic? Further, I can pull up quotes but what does that prove. There is no “true” evidence either way. It is a he says, she says. Plus I don’t have the energy for the topic that you do. I am interested in some modicum of objectivity here, but you have shown you lack all perspective. And tell Cano that Jeter doesn’t take young players under his wing and support them.
Admittedly, Arod and Jeter have long-term contracts that are bad (for the Yankees.) Jeter’s and Arod’s production is down; their performance is huring the team. But who exactly are they blocking? I don’t see anyone in the minors ready to come up and play SS or 3B.
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Obviously if they didn’t have A-Rod and Jeter on long term contracts they would have pursued other options or made trades.
Joe-
Let’s hope so.
I gotta get lucky every once in a while.
See you later.
And tell Cano that Jeter doesn’t take young players under his wing and support them.
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Did you mean A-rod?
Munson was the last true Yankee Captain. He may not have gotten along with everyone on the team, including the owner, but, it never interferred with how he played the game. Jeter doesn’t allow his “cliqueiosity affect his play, nor anybody elses. The media creates more problems and issues in this area than any of the players combined.
“I’ve never met a fan base so convinced they understand the inner workings of a(n) clubhouse/organization the way Yankee fans claim to.”
How many fan bases have you met?
Jorge is messed up. He’s trying to come to terms with some very difficult things
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Maybe that’s the way Jeter should have presented it. Just go with “Like Jorge said, he had a bad day. He’s set it straight with the organization and now we move on”. Saying for press consumption that he did nothing wrong and had nothing to apologize for is laughable and a little disingenuous.
Someone (I’m thinking it was Curry) tweeted that Jorge received “counsel” from several people before he went into see Girardi yesterday and that Jeter was one of those people. I’m willing to bet he said a lot more than what he made privy to the media later.
it’s really funny, if you look at the history of the Yankees, they have won almost all of their World Championships without a ‘Captain’. Here is the link:
http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....capt.shtml
There are 3 exceptions: 1977, 1978 (Munson) and 2009 (Jeter).
Maybe they ought to put away this title for the next 20 years…
Rich-
He is just trying to buck up a friend who is down.
A very good friend.
I can’t fault him for that. I’m sorry.
A lot of things have been said lately that probably should have by many different parties.
This is a bad time. It will pass. And things will get right.
Gotta run.
I love how some people act like Alex was a model citizen and the captain was “mean” to him for no reason. Alex himself has admitted he has completely changed and apparently Jason Zillo had to have an intervention with the guy. Enough with the Jeter was mean to Alex crap. It’s over and done with and they have clearly moved on. Both guys weren’t perfect in how they handled things but it’s OVER.
Also, because Jeter was “mean” to Alex, does that mean he should never stick up for anybody else now? Like I said earlier, whatever Jeter ended up saying about this ordeal was going to piss someone off. It’s absurd.
Why in the world does someone in the Yankee front office feel it is necessary to let the world know they are mad at Jeter? That is completely unnecessary IMO.
Erin, jeter never says anything. I’m surprised that he ever let the media or anybody else know his name and birth date.
“Saying for press consumption that he did nothing wrong and had nothing to apologize for is laughable and a little disingenuous.”
Sure, Mell, you’ve spent years inside the Yankee clubhouse and know how everything gets handled there. What does Jeter know anyway?
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# Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
And tell Cano that Jeter doesn’t take young players under his wing and support them.
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Did you mean A-rod?
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Newflash, both could have mentored Cano. The two acts aren’t mutually exclusive. And I have been a huge ARod supporter, so sorry I am not interested in polarizing the two. Not playing.
AROD seems to try to connect w/ the younger players more than Jeter
Jeter seems to stick w/ the old clique
MTU
I don’t really fault Posada. What he did was regrettable, although understandable. So he didn’t need Jeter to distort reality in order to support him.
GreenBeret7 May 16th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Erin, jeter never says anything. I?m surprised that he ever let the media or anybody else know his name and birth date.
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it’s really funny, if you look at the history of the Yankees, they have won almost all of their World Championships without a ‘Captain’. Here is the link:
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So the logical thing to do is….
Strip Jeter of his Captaincy!!!!
Rich-
This would all be a blip on the radar if the Yankees were playing so badly.
Later.
Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Who acts more like a Captain? Posada and his fiery attitude, not pulling punches when the yankees stink and trying to keep their heads in the game (recent incidents not withstanding)? A-rod and his analytical approach to the game and willingness to help younger players ? Derek Jeter and…?
We do know that when Derek Jeter sits he makes it his mission to be as annoying as possible to everyone on the bench. Not really a teamplayer.
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“Derek Jeter and…?”
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....-confident
Jeter advises Nunez: Stay confident
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During shortstop Eduardo Nunez’s mixed night — two hits to go along with two errors — the man he replaced for the evening, Derek Jeter, gave him some advice.
“He helped me a lot about concentration,” Nunez said. “Staying focused on the game and being confident in myself.”
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fail.
Sure, Mell, you’ve spent years inside the Yankee clubhouse and know how everything gets handled there. What does Jeter know anyway?
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Where’d I say that, Wave. I’m talking about Jeter’s public statement on the matter.
tampayank May 16th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
AROD seems to try to connect w/ the younger players more than Jeter
Jeter seems to stick w/ the old clique
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That’s funny, I guess you weren’t watching the game when Jeter was clearly talking and trying to help Nunez in the dugout between innings after Nunez made a few errors. Alex helps Nunez too. Don’t really understand why everyone tries to play jeter and alex against eachother. It’s really old and stupid at this point.
edit: weren’t. sorry.
What he did was regrettable, although understandable
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Not sure how its understandable ?
Rich,
Its ok….we agree most of the time
Wave,
Exactly….what good can come from calling up Bluster and saying ….we are mad at Derek Jeter…he hurt our feelings…..please tweet that so that the world will know. As I said, at least when George wanted to send a message it was entertaining. Hey maybe if the FO would keep their traps closed for a couple days the Yanks could focus on winning baseball games again.
Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
The Captain should be stewarding the team, not looking out for Jorge Posada.
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Stick to stats. You clearly don’t have a clue. A captain stands up for his team mates especially publicly.
Wow, Shields sure is having a bounce back year
why do so many of you feel the need to create factions in your minds on the Yankees?
by all accounts this has been a very good clubhouse for the past few years and was a great clubhouse during most of the Torre years. Yet so many of the posts on the blog directed at one player being favored over another and so on and so on.
Not every player gets along with every other player. We as fans have no clue, for the most part, who that is. But the Yankees (present losing streak not being allowed to cloud the record) have consistently played hard, won games, and done an excellent job of representing the greatest franchise in sports history.
They may or may not win the WS this year or make the playoffs (I am pretty sure they will at least do that) but there is little or nothing that can be done at this point in time to change the team, the change will have to come from within, from the guys out there playing up to their capabilities.
You can’t win games with your 3-5 guys being inconsistent to the point of slumping badly (Arod), particularly when the 3 of them are expected to drive in 350+ runs during the season.
It just makes no sense, really.
“# NYY626 – Retire 46 May 16th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
tampayank May 16th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
AROD seems to try to connect w/ the younger players more than Jeter
Jeter seems to stick w/ the old clique
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That’s funny, I guess you weren’t watching the game when Jeter was clearly talking and trying to help Nunez in the dugout between innings after Nunez made a few errors. Alex helps Nunez too. Don’t really understand why everyone tries to play jeter and alex against eachother. It’s really old and stupid at this point.
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just stating from what I saw, especially when Melky was around in 09, you had Melky, Cano, Swish, and AROD having tons of fun in the dugout together where Jeter and Posada are on the other side picking out their gray hairs
I can tolerate Posada struggling because of his past service.
I can’t tolerate Swisher’s struggling much longer.
Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Who acts more like a Captain? Posada and his fiery attitude, not pulling punches when the yankees stink and trying to keep their heads in the game (recent incidents not withstanding)? A-rod and his analytical approach to the game and willingness to help younger players ? Derek Jeter and…?
We do know that when Derek Jeter sits he makes it his mission to be as annoying as possible to everyone on the bench. Not really a teamplayer.
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“Derek Jeter and…?”
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Cano told Jackson he’d been studying Jeter and Rodriguez, and realizing that their many accomplishments are rooted in the blood, sweat and tears they spill in offseason and pregame workouts. Cano also told Jackson he’d been watching tapes of Michael Jordan and listening to the Chicago Bulls great talk about the grim drills he endured in dark and empty gyms.
“Now I realize you get out of this game what you put into it,” Cano told Jackson.
Jeter was among those who helped usher Cano toward this epiphany. The captain doesn’t like to publicize his acts of leadership, but when Cano was dishonoring his otherworldly skill by going full speed on some plays and half speed on others, Jeter took him aside and reinforced the Girardi/Cashman message.
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These days, the shortstop is looking at an entirely different partner. “Robbie has fun, first and foremost,” said Jeter, who has always insisted on making the postseason fun. “He enjoys playing the game. … He’s a much better player now than he was a few years back.”
Asked for specifics, Jeter cited Cano’s improved understanding of the game, his improved approach and his improved attention to detail. In other words, Cano has embraced his captain’s dogma.
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=5712630
Rich, I’m sorry I don’t see how you use Cashman’s comment about not having to sign FA pitchers against him. I’m pretty sure he assumed that Joba and Phil would do the job. Well Joba is a reliever at this point and Phil is always hurt – they have not lived up to their hype for whatever reason. So, he’s got to fix the pitching from somewhere and throwing kids into the rotation and hoping they stick is not the answer.
Also, ANY GM is, at any time, liable to be overruled by his owner; as the saying goes, it’s good to be king
I think the LoHud word of the day is “captain”
Let me see here…should I back my teammate and best friend or the guys who dragged me through the papers all winter……tough choice.
I’m tired of Jorge already and just because he apologized doesn’t make what he pulled any less of disgrace. I don’t want to hear him getting on any player now for doing something that Jorge doesn’t consider “right” when Jorge quit on his team.
Jeter’s choice was not Jorge or management. Jorge himself admitted what he did was wrong.
Jeter just looks silly going out of his way to say Jorge has nothing to apologize for, especially when the guy just finished making his rounds of apologies.
Let me see here?should I back my teammate and best friend or the guys who dragged me through the papers all winter??tough choice.
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or the guys that gave you 4 years 80 million ….. … when most teams wouldn’t give you a spring training invite
I couldn’t agree more with Rich about the FO – and less with Blake.
tampayank May 16th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
“# NYY626 – Retire 46 May 16th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
tampayank May 16th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
AROD seems to try to connect w/ the younger players more than Jeter
Jeter seems to stick w/ the old clique
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That’s funny, I guess you weren’t watching the game when Jeter was clearly talking and trying to help Nunez in the dugout between innings after Nunez made a few errors. Alex helps Nunez too. Don’t really understand why everyone tries to play jeter and alex against eachother. It’s really old and stupid at this point.
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just stating from what I saw, especially when Melky was around in 09, you had Melky, Cano, Swish, and AROD having tons of fun in the dugout together where Jeter and Posada are on the other side picking out their gray hairs
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Ok I’m pretty sure you’re just trolling. If not I will spam you with picture evidence disproving your point
Betsy
From the other thread?
I’m not using it against him, I’m using it against his bosses.
Developing starting pitching takes time. Development is not always linear.
Cashman knew that when he made the statement. If you are not going to give them time, don’t pretend that you are going to develop them.
I don’t think Cashman’s mindset changed. I think the owners changed the business plan.
It may be good to be the king, but if you are a stupid king, your empire can crumble, at least in terms of on the field performance.
And btw, Phil is not always hurt.
Grady Sizemore on the Dl with a knee injury. his time, it’s the other knee.
If Jeter really wanted to support Jorge he probably should have actually supported what Jorge was saying. Which is I was wrong and I’m sorry.
blake May 16th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Let me see here?should I back my teammate and best friend or the guys who dragged me through the papers all winter??tough choice.
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LOL
MTU, Jeter should have defended AJ the same way…….. I love Jeter and almost never criticize him, but it’s ok for him to deal with AJ differently just because he’s not BFF with him? It was ok for him to treat Alex differently than Giambi?
“Stick to stats. You clearly don’t have a clue. A captain stands up for his team mates especially publicly.”
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Problem is that Jeter only selectively stands up for his teammates.
Rich, how is what Jorge did at all understandable?
tampayank May 16th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
AROD seems to try to connect w/ the younger players more than Jeter
Jeter seems to stick w/ the old clique
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That’s bull. Jeter’s always helping the young guys, see the links I posted above. Posada is a very close ally and mentor to Montero. Po also was on WFAN before Melky got traded advocating Cabrera for leadoff hitter.
Some on here think Jeter and Posada can do whatever they want and are above the team ! . …… Sad
Betsy,
That’s fine…..its just how I feel about it. Good to see you around again.
Ian_OConnor Ian O’Connor
Btw, when Derek Jeter said he wouldve told Posada he was wrong if he believed it, he meant it. A few years ago, after learning that Jorge had skipped an injury rehab session and had angered Cashman, Jeter jumped all over Posada, according to a witness
Jeter a bad captain, please, he’s the spokesman for this team, and his captaincy has just about nothing to do with how they’re playing between the white lines. Sado made a gaffe, he apologized, end of story, leave it to the drama queens in the media to stir it up. Not enough has been made of Sabathia coughing up 6 runs on Saturday night. If he keeps Boston at a 2-0 lead with 9 outs to go, I’ll take that chance coming back against the boston pen who struggled on Friday night. Also the glue that was supposed to hold this team together, the bull pen has been marginalized sans Mo of course. Inexcusable how D-Rob who walks the ball park every outing and Chamberlain leaving meatballs for Youkilis and Saltalamacchia two nights in a row are let slide in relationship to the Sado and Jeter drama. Cano, Swisher and everyone but Granderson went limp over the weekend. And how long did we think the Chief would give us quality outings?
Posada made a mistake and apologied for it. Jeter stuck up for his best friend. Not sure why this is such a problem.
Posada wanted Joba in the bullpen.
Attack Prufrock! Attack!
The Posada story will pass with time. The bigger story is this team that is in far worse shape than most fans will admit. As a fan I am very concerned. It is far from a certainty that the Yankees will win 90 games and even make the playoffs, much less win the division IMO.
Rich, yeah he is, but let’s not go there. We just have a completely different philosophy; I know you wouldn’t mind giving up a few years of contending for a WS title if it meant giving every young pitcher a chance. If I’m wrong, I apologize, but that’s the gist I get from your posts. You’re referring to Joba, I assume, regarding young pitches. Well, no point in going there I guess as the topic has been done to death and I already know we don’t agree with that.
edit: *apologized*
Betsy
Because it’s tough to come to terms with the decline of your skills. It’s frustrating and depressing. When you are frustrated and depressed acting irrationally for a moment is a common reaction.
Most people on this board confidently said the Red Sox would come out of it when they started off the season horribly.
The Yankees are in the midst of the same type of poor play.
It would be refreshing if Yankee fans actually showed the type of confidence in the Yankees as they did in the Red Sox.
Hi Blake
I respect your opinion for sure – and I sort of agree because Cashman has ticked me off with this Soriano comments (and then something recently, but I can’t remember what it was). I was fine with what he said in the off-season about Jeter and overall I wish he’d clam up. This time, though, I’m just furious with Jorge and so that overrides anything I may feel about the organization.
Thanks for the welcome back – I may not be around as often as I was, but it’s hard to stay away given how things have gone with the team lately, lol. I’m very glad I will be in Disney World for the subway series – I hate those games.
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# LGY May 16th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Jeter’s choice was not Jorge or management. Jorge himself admitted what he did was wrong.
Jeter just looks silly going out of his way to say Jorge has nothing to apologize for, especially when the guy just finished making his rounds of apologies.
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You people are getting hung up on SEMANTICS. Jeter is a ballplayer, not a linguist or orator. Why are you nitpicking his words to determine some deeper controversial meaning beyond than that the player is backing his homeboy?
Ditto with all this media-based hearsay on who said what to whom in terms of Derek backing or not backing AJ, ARod, Giambi, et al. We have no idea what was or wasn’t said behind closed doors.
BloggingBombers Mark Feinsand
He was great in 2009. That’s it. RT @Arod13thebest Arod has great numbers in the playoffs if you take away the ‘Torre Years’!!
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Has the idiot Feinsand ever bothered to look at Rodriguez’ post season career, or just three years of it? He has about the same ability to write something based on fact instead of personal biases as Abraham, Matthews and Heyman.
It really isn’t in Cashman’s job description to make the players feel all warm and fuzzy. They are getting paid some serious coin, due to their success here.
That said, it is his job to minimize distractions that can affect team performance, just as it is for Girardi to minimize outside noise that can affect the team (Torre was the best at this), and he’s failed miserably this off-season and currently.
Based on Cashman’s comments, I think one of two things are going on: 1. ownership has instructed him to chip away at the “mystique and aura” that have come to drive contract discussion between ownership and players for future negotiations; or 2. he’s gone at the end of the year and is letting loose on 20+ years of holding back with the media.
I don’t think the latter is true because ownership would have reigned him in by now and there would have been specific leaks to Joel Sherman, et al, about Cashman’s “outbursts.”
Bottom line for me is that there are certain players that need to start performing better, but I’m not about to trash some of the players that revitalized this franchise and made them the organization they are today. I want Jeter, Posada, etc to succeed and with their previous track records they should be given every opportunity to do so.
The mental mistakes and defensive lapses are the biggest problem right now after you block out all the other white noise.
Rich, I get that, I do, but you still can’t do what Jorge did – there are ways of handling things that don’t include quitting. Then again, I’m in the minority re: Heathcott. While most are praising his spunk, I think punching another player, regardless of what he may have said, raises some serious questions about him.
LGY May 16th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Posada wanted Joba in the bullpen.
Attack Prufrock! Attack!
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So did Rivera. What’s your point? What he wanted to do with Joba isn’t germane to the discussion. He promoted Melky, whom the poster mentioned as not being supported by Jeter & Posada, a young player for the leadoff spot, expressing his belief in him.
Got it?
I think Jeter does a lot more leading than people think….
Willie Mays, Yogi Berra, etc……. – many players far greater than Jorge had to deal with their declining skills and they didn’t throw a hissy fit.
Where is Erin? This is practically a gossip blog.
good post about long term contract commitment in FA by Chad. Po wants a day off or steaming over something something it’s not a big deal. I don’t care what jeter has to say or not say, captain don’t mean much to me but an empty title, This team just needs to hit. maybe it’s time to look at the all the parts and see what can be upgraded this or next few years.
LGY May 16th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Most people on this board confidently said the Red Sox would come out of it when they started off the season horribly.
The Yankees are in the midst of the same type of poor play.
It would be refreshing if Yankee fans actually showed the type of confidence in the Yankees as they did in the Red Sox.
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I would disagree with this statement, many on this blog were convinced the Sox could never come back from where they were to contend, there was a whole thread about it with Jerkface being one of the leading advocates of that ridiculous theory.
The Yankees will come back and play good baseball, that’s a given, I’m glad we are on the same side of that discussion.
Francesa: Ownership told Cashman to do the interview because they knew Girardi would have to talk during the game. They wanted Cashman to speak to Fox.
Blake, I definitely agree -I do believe in leading by example. Jeter has very high standards and has never disrespected this game once; I still remember what John Hirschbeck said about him. That said, he’s only human – and there have been a couple of instances where he didn’t act as a captain should. I personally don’t care if the team has a captain or not, but as long as they have one, he needs to give the Torre treatment to his teammates (meaning, he has to not treat the core guys or his BFFs differently than the others)
Shame Spencer May 16th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Where is Erin? This is practically a gossip blog.
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I’m here! Sadly, I couldn’t find any Yankee related gossip items this AM.
You people are getting hung up on SEMANTICS. Jeter is a ballplayer, not a linguist or orator. Why are you nitpicking his words to determine some deeper controversial meaning beyond than that the player is backing his homeboy?
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Jorge did nothing wrong is semantics?
Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
Betsy
Can’t? People do a lot of things they shouldn’t do, but they often own up to it and move on. It’s called being human.
I’m pro-Heathcott and now consider him an untouchable.
btw, Francesa says that ownership wanted Cash to speak to the media.
What happened to this Yankees – Red Sox rivalry? These two teams used to hate eachother and now they are all buddies. WTF? It’s lost some of it’s luster. Jeter and Pedroia like eachother and respect eachother, blah, blah, blah. Jorge and Papi doing commercials together. Players talking and laughing before and during games. Girardi/Francona kissing eachother’s teams behind. Etc., etc. Something has changed in the last 5 or so years. Maybe it’s because the Sox finally beat us in the playoffs and won a World Series in 2004. It seems since then the rivalry has gone down hill.
blake May 16th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
I think Jeter does a lot more leading than people think?.
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agreed
Being a team captain of a pro team has very little value, beyond media and fan belief. It has as much value and overall power as being the Prince Of Wales. The only thing it does is gets you a few dollars (whether it’s endorsements or collecting rent and fees for doing nothing).
Betsy,
Tell Mickey and Donald hi for me
The Yanks have Montero to replace Posada. Whenever they choose to make that move is up to them. The next order of business is to find someone to replace Swisher. I have had enough of him already. This should be his last year with the Yanks and as soon as Cash finds someone to replace him he needs to hit the bench. Dreadful is an understatement with him.
Betsy May 16th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Willie Mays, Yogi Berra, etc……. – many players far greater than Jorge had to deal with their declining skills and they didn’t throw a hissy fi
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Betsy, how do you know that? Are you old enough to have seen them play at the end of their careers?
Mays was traded to the Mets, do you think that was the result of good feelings all around?
Babe Ruth had a falling out with the Yankees at the end of his career because he couldn no longer play up to his career levels and wanted to be the manager and was traded to the Braves.
I could continue but there are two pretty good examples…
“I think Jeter does a lot more leading than people think….”
blake
Which is probably true, and since he probably does his best work in private, then he probably shouldn’t say anything publicly.
Francesa: I heard Hal is going to talk to Jeter
I would disagree with this statement, many on this blog were convinced the Sox could never come back from where they were to contend, there was a whole thread about it with Jerkface being one of the leading advocates of that ridiculous theory.
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I don’t think this is true in regard to Jerkface.
Posada refuses to play . . . SAD !!!!!!!!
Francesa: Jorge feels that over the past couple of yrs Girardi has taken his baseball joy away
Jeter: “Brothers before Bit**es!”
(Bit**es = Cashman and co.)
Francessa confirms Olney’s report, re: the FO being mad at Jeter for what he said. Also said Hal will talk to him about it.
Ben Badler
If you’re panicked about the Yankees’ offense: Have you watched baseball this year?
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Fair point. Offensive numbers are down everywhere ‘cept for the Bautista household it seems.
Maybe its just because I work in an office building where the mundane inconveniences of life often bring people’s work to a grinding halt.. but I still cannot bring myself to be upset, disappointed, or disillusioned by Jorgie’s “situation.”
(I know, I know, they’re baseball players not real people and the same rules don’t apply..)
Against All Odds May 16th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Francesa: Jorge feels that over the past couple of yrs Girardi has taken his baseball joy away
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huh??
“Francesa: I heard Hal is going to talk to Jeter”
To tell him that he will no longer bat leadoff?
Bad Scooter: the ‘rivalry’ is much more hyped by the media than it is for the players. With FA these days, most players aren’t on teams long enough to get caught up in ‘hate’ of another team. You may get specific guys that don’t like guys on another team, but they don’t have an outlook like the fans do of “he’s wearing a B on his hat! He sucks!!”.
It serves ESPN, MLBN and the papers to overhype the rivalry since it drives revenue.
Francesa: Jorge feels that over the past couple of yrs Girardi has taken his baseball joy away
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That’s entirely possible.
He’s certainly taken our “Joy” away.
Francesa: Jorge has a major problem with Girardi but we know that
“Which is probably true, and since he probably does his best work in private, then he probably shouldn’t say anything publicly.”
Which I’m sure would endear him even further to the men and women on this board..
Rich, you consider him untouchable because he threw a temper tantrum and a punch?
Even without the punch he strikes out way too much for my liking. Only Montero and Banuelos/Betances are untouchables to me. There is way too much uncertainty surrounding Heathcott for me to look at him that way.
Blake, will do!
Again talking about how Girardi is having trouble dealing with these older players. Jorge in particular has a problem with Joe.
If Francesca is correct and that’s a big if, oh please Jorge………
# Bronx Jeers May 16th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Francesa: Jorge feels that over the past couple of yrs Girardi has taken his baseball joy away
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That’s entirely possible.
He’s certainly taken our “Joy” away.
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lol
Francesa: Jorge feels that over the past couple of yrs Girardi has taken his baseball joy away
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I think Father Time is the true culprit.
Jeter should give the team the Torre Treatment? Torre had his players and then there was the Cashman/Steinbrenner players. They were not treated the same.
betsy if those guys played in the electronic media / twitter era I believe your point about their egos would be disputed. Again why all the drama over Posdada? The guy is hitting .165, I bought a round of drinks when he lobbied out of the line-up. The bigger problem is the way quiet stars are playing, no?
LGY May 16th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Most people on this board confidently said the Red Sox would come out of it when they started off the season horribly. The Yankees are in the midst of the same type of poor play. It would be refreshing if Yankee fans actually showed the type of confidence in the Yankees as they did in the Red Sox.
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Different teams, different players, different circumstances. I have confidence in certain players and not in others. This team has some serious issues.
I think enough time has passed this season to have an idea what the reality is. I am not for trading away the future, but I do think that management needs to be proactive and not just sit pat “hoping” things will improve.
It’s time to shake things up, sit some guys, bring others up and give them a shot. If they don’t perform, send them down. If you lose some guys from the 40 man roster, so be it. I’m not losing sleep over Carlyle and Sanit, etc.
Yankees gave Jorge PLENTY of time to get mentally ready to be the DH !.. .
“Which I’m sure would endear him even further to the men and women on this board..”
Sounds like a plan.
Ben Badler
If you’re panicked about the Yankees’ offense: Have you watched baseball this year?
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Fair point. Offensive numbers are down everywhere ‘cept for the Bautista household it seems.
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I can’t believe the Yankees STILL have the best offense in the American League.
We’re talking about Francesa as a source? This is the same guy routinely mocked here for his misinformation, correct?
I’ve no problem with the Yankees………..supporting insubordination is not a good thing. He only did it because he’s BFF with Jeter and everyone knows it. Jeter is supposed to be all about respect for the game, so how did Jorge respect the game?
Why does anyone listen to what Francesa says? Just because he’s parroting Olney does not mean he’s “confirmed” anything.
Rich – All I’m saying is that its a lose/lose.
Only the naive ever thought that Girardi and Posada ever had a good relationship.
And if ownership expects Jeter to have their back in anything anymore, they are nuts. Especially when his best friend is involved. They can’t force Jeter to say anything. Hal really needs to just let it go. Let this thing die on its own.
# Mell May 16th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Francesa: Jorge feels that over the past couple of yrs Girardi has taken his baseball joy away
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I think Father Time is the true culprit.
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Yep it’s the one thing no one can escape.
“I can’t believe the Yankees STILL have the best offense in the American League.”
I hope that’s not preventing them from pro-actively trying to make it even better.
“You’re doing very little refute the issue, yankeefeminista.”
jerkface-
as someone who’s been around the pro game a little yankee feminista is eating your lunch about jeter.
jeter is probably the most respected player in baseball by opposing players.
i think it’s pretty obvious that you are a sabermetric fan first and a yankee fan second.
your bias towards jeter is reflective of you following the sabermetric dogma or drivel about jeter that bill james, dewan, BP ,etc spit out.
quite frankly, you are sometimes an embarrassment as a yankee fan.
you might want to get off your computer sometime and tag along with yankee feminista when she’s actually watching hundreds of games and seeing with her eyes what players are doing.
Is this Girardi/Posada “feud” the new Alex/Jeter???
Rich,
Perhaps Cashman should do the same
Ppl reported the news of Onley so what the difference with reporting the news from Francesa. Hell when the Posada story broke there were tweets going out all over the place.
So basically it’s Girardi fault that Posada is hitting .165? When Jeter has to be moved down in the lineup will it also be Girardi’s fault that Jeter is a singles hitter hitting under .250? The older players have to look in the mirror and realize where they are in their careers and don’t blame the gm or manager.
Different teams, different players, different circumstances. I have confidence in certain players and not in others. This team has some serious issues.
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I know. I know.
All question marks for the Sox will be answered in the affirmative and all question marks for the Yankees in the negative…
“The Other Phil May 16th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Bad Scooter: the ‘rivalry’ is much more hyped by the media than it is for the players. With FA these days, most players aren’t on teams long enough to get caught up in ‘hate’ of another team. You may get specific guys that don’t like guys on another team, but they don’t have an outlook like the fans do of “he’s wearing a B on his hat! He sucks!!”.
It serves ESPN, MLBN and the papers to overhype the rivalry since it drives revenue.”
I’m not buying that. Sure ESPN “overhypes” the rivalry, they “overhype” everything. But it’s still a rivalry and there are a ton of guys on both teams that have been there awhile. It wasn’t that long ago when there were fights, chippiness, beanballs, words through the press, etc. It is within the past 7-10 years. But now these guys just all love eachother. Lame.
Supporting insubordination?!
This really has been taking to another level. Another level of what, I’m still not sure..
Shame Spencer
Then we starting from a different premise. I think the captaincy is bogus role from a public perspective. So if he (or anyone else) wants to lead in private, who cares? That’s their business, not ours.
But when public statements are made, it’s not unreasonable to think that they are at least partly targeted at the fans.
As a result, we have the right to have an opinion.
So basically it?s Girardi fault that Posada is hitting .165? When Jeter has to be moved down in the lineup will it also be Girardi?s fault that Jeter is a singles hitter hitting under .250? The older players have to look in the mirror and realize where they are in their careers and don?t blame the gm or manager.
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Great post Captain Clutch !
Arod should tell Posada Torre batted me 8th and I am a 1st ballot hall of famer and I played and didn’t throw a hissy fit. Jeter and Posada have to realize that they aren’t bigger than the team and it seems like they are having trouble realizing that.
“I hope that’s not preventing them from pro-actively trying to make it even better.”
Couldn’t agree more. I’m a stats guy, but this is when they become ridiculous. Anyone who has watched this team the last 3 weeks (and really, since August of last year), knows the problem they have on offense and who the culprits are.
Waiting for the older players to hit like the back of their baseball cards is a failing strategy when you are talking about the older players or a guy like Swisher who just looks lost.
Supporting insubordination?!
This really has been taking to another level. Another level of what, I?m still not sure
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Shame . . why have a Manager ?? whats the point in your eyes
Odds
Don’t let the haters hate. Only Jon Heyman is banned from here
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# Melk Man May 16th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Francessa confirms Olney’s report, re: the FO being mad at Jeter for what he said. Also said Hal will talk to him about it.
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What a petty soap opera this has become.
Just win, baby!
LGY May 16th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
I know. I know. All question marks for the Sox will be answered in the affirmative and all question marks for the Yankees in the negative.
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It’s one thing to root and cheer for the Yankees which we all do. It’s quite another to not be realistic and to bury ones head in the sand and not be concerned about the weaknesses that this team has. The Red Sox have issues too. I don’t care what they are doing as much as I care what we do.
# Betsy May 16th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Rich, you consider him untouchable because he threw a temper tantrum and a punch?
Even without the punch he strikes out way too much for my liking. Only Montero and Banuelos/Betances are untouchables to me. There is way too much uncertainty surrounding Heathcott for me to look at him that way.
Blake, will do!
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He is in low A. I wouldn’t be too worried about Heathcott’s K’s yet.
And if ownership expects Jeter to have their back in anything anymore, they are nuts
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Sure, but at the same time, don’t throw them a bouquet of “screw you’s”. I can’t pretend to know what Jeter’s mind, but part of me thinks that Jeter took the ridiculous “Posada has nothing to apologize for” stance in response to Cashman’s unnecessary in-game presser, which probably made this a much more public matter than it should have been.
blake
In an ideal world, but since it has been reported that Hal told him to speak to the media, if he wants to continue to live in the style to which he has grown accustomed, he likely has no choice but to speak.
My problem with this is its being talked about like it matters. The reality is this entire circus is being perpetuated by a controversy hungry media and a fan base thats pissed about losing a few games in a row.
Mell May 16th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Francesa: Jorge feels that over the past couple of yrs Girardi has taken his baseball joy away
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I think Father Time is the true culprit.
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Francesa has no in with anyone on the Yankees. He’s too busy building his legend & hanging up on callers who are smarter than him to bother himself with trivialities like having actual inside contacts.
Does anybody know why the rays begin their home games at 6:40?
I remember a few years ago the white sox had a promotion with 7-11, so their home games
always started 11 minutes after.
Just curious.
I can’t pretend to know what Jeter’s mind, but part of me thinks that Jeter took the ridiculous “Posada has nothing to apologize for” stance in response to Cashman’s unnecessary in-game presser, which probably made this a much more public matter than it should have been.
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Agree with that
Oh hey Randy, taking a break from selling trinkets to add nothing to the conversation? Thanks J Alfred, that is the kind of stuff I am asking for.
“My problem with this is its being talked about like it matters. The reality is this entire circus is being perpetuated by a controversy hungry media and a fan base thats pissed about losing a few games in a row.”
The same dynamic is what enables these people to make huge bucks, so it’s not going to change.
If true that Hal is going to talk to Jeter, this is representative of exactly what I have been saying about management. They are the worst. They know there are no secrets in New York unless they want there to be. What is to be served by letting that be known? Hal has the right to talk to Jeter – but do it privately. This just perpetuates unnecessary drama at a time when the team is reeling.
Scooter: I would disagree with that. The games are more intense from a playing perspective because both teams are usually in the hunt for 1st place. They play hard and tough, but there’s very little animosity for another TEAM anymore. Posada didn’t like Pedro, but that was player on player, not team on team.
And most of the chippiness and words through the press were owner on owner, not player on player. There’s really no use for it. If they need ‘bad blood’ in order to get up for a game, they shouldn’t be playing in it.
If Hal is going to seek out Derek it’s probably just to be a mediator between Derek and Cashman.
It would be monumentally foolish to keep pushing this issue considering the team is reeling.
Jorge should have no issues with Girardi after Joe went to great lengths trying to rationalize Jorge’s absence during Sat’s postgame.
As far as using Mays as an example of “team player” or how to handle himself, just listen to him or go back and read about him later years. He was the most self-centered, egotistical player anywhere. When Mantle and Snider were asked who they thought was the best center fielder or player in baseball, they both said Mays. They asked Mays and Mays response, “I’ve said many times, myself.”
Betsy
The punch…and he’s good.
Did Francesa really confirm Olney’s report about Hal meeting with Jeter, or did he just repeat it?
Rich,
Maybe Hal should stop getting Cashman to do his dirty work……if he wants to be like his dad and stir the pot then at least do it with some flair and do it himself.
Bronx Jeers May 16th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Jorge should have no issues with Girardi after Joe went to great lengths trying to rationalize Jorge?s absence during Sat?s postgame.
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I’m not buying that there’s some huge issue with them. Posada said again yesterday how much Girardi has supported him.
Warning Track Power:
“The 6:40 weekday start during the first two months of the season is in response to fan polling showing getting home earlier was more important when school is in session. Those games had started at 7:10.”
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/.....game-times
I love classic “watch teh games!#!#” come backs as if I post on here all day and I dont watch the games.
Erin: Confirm, repeat, it’s all the same here, right?
Why do we care? Let them meet. Maybe they’ll discuss why Jeter abandoned his new swing so he could hit more groundballs with his old one…
Rich – I still agree on most of those points. But, to me, the Captain is sort of a representative for the team AND all of the players in the clubhouse. Like a union rep. Middle management. In that respect, I don’t know how Jeter answers any questions about Posada that results in everyone being happy with it. If he chooses not to answer, he’s likely met with the same results. I was merely pointing out that he is, at times, between a rock and a hard place because while he represents the organization he also represents the players. The two things are bound to be at odds eventually. Its just a no win.
Francesa: Ownership told Cashman to do the interview because they knew Girardi would have to talk during the game. They wanted Cashman to speak to Fox.
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Really? The guy who came off looking like a professional Saturday night was Girardi. I thought he handled things the way they should have been. I think he could have deftly handled whatever questions the FOX guys had for him.
I would disagree with this statement, many on this blog were convinced the Sox could never come back from where they were to contend, there was a whole thread about it with Jerkface being one of the leading advocates of that ridiculous theory.
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Trisha led that charge, I picked the red sox to make the playoffs as the wild card.
blake
Again in an ideal world, but $2m+ a year buys a lot of things.
Anyway, I can live with this stuff because it’s really meaningless.
What I want to see is a commitment to (re)build/reload from within because given the current CBA, if they don’t do that, they will never be as good as they can for as long as they can.
WCYF – I think this “Hal talking to Jeter” thing is posturing. Send a message to the media reminding everyone who is in charge. We do agree that its all completely ridiculous, however. They’re not doing themselves any favors.
# Against All Odds May 16th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Ppl reported the news of Onley so what the difference with reporting the news from Francesa. Hell when the Posada story broke there were tweets going out all over the place.
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Please tell me that Francesa doesn’t also tweet.
“Did Francesa really confirm Olney’s report about Hal meeting with Jeter,”
Olney didn’t mention Hal meeting with Jeter, just that ownership was ‘irked’ by Jeter’s reaction.
Francesa was the one to report that Hal wants to meet with Jeter to discuss the comments. He did say that he did some digging and found out that Olney’s original report about them being ticked of at Jeter’s response is correct.
Its true….Girardi handled the situation better than anyone….probably because bunting wasn’t involved.
Posada apologized, the game’s respect has been restored, yeah! Bring back greenies and PED’s, the spit ball, and the razor blade. Let’s show some respect for the game by playing off the charts in a contract yr then relaxing into our new bank account. The respect of the game is about W’s and L’s, if the Yanks aren’t 0 for the last 5, Posada is a blip on the media radar. IMO… I’m more upset about Sabathia’s Saturday night performance, and Cano’s 1-9 weekend and the fact he sees less pitches per AB then everyone but Jones. Where’s K Long’s genius through this stretch ? Francesa is just shooting for ratings dragging up this Posada BS. I agree on Francesa’ take Re: Valentine, the guy is great in the booth.
The Other Phil-
Which is probably true, and since he probably does his best work in private, then he probably shouldn’t say anything publicly.
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I agree with this Rich. Jeter can rip Posada privately all he wants but if he turns around and lets him off to the media whats the point? He should just say its been handled.
i think Hal is promoting Jeter to Ubertastictain (a rank only a distinctive few has achieved) in exchange of taking off 2 yrs off his contract.
as far as Po goes, i was surprised he sat out at first, little outraged that he is prima donna afterwards. other than that, i think it’s a good thing cuz he can’t hit anyway… for now.
The perils and realities of the 24hr news cycle. Everything is a story, even when there is no story.
Who is the current Yankees union rep?
Tom in NJ
Thanks for the 411. I guess that makes sense.
I’d rather talk about the odd start time vs whatever non-sense people here
are arguing about today.
Rich,
I think that’s the plan….the plan seems to be to position themselves to supplement via free agency only….not to build via free agency. That’s the way the game is heading.
# Mell May 16th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Francesa: Ownership told Cashman to do the interview because they knew Girardi would have to talk during the game. They wanted Cashman to speak to Fox.
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Really? The guy who came off looking like a professional Saturday night was Girardi. I thought he handled things the way they should have been. I think he could have deftly handled whatever questions the FOX guys had for him.
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Yea Girardi did a good job during his presser. If it’s true maybe the FO over thought the situation.
Its true….Girardi handled the situation better than anyone….probably because bunting wasn’t involved.
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Its hard to handle a situation worse than Posada / Front Office.
# Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
blake
Again in an ideal world, but $2m+ a year buys a lot of things.
Anyway, I can live with this stuff because it’s really meaningless.
What I want to see is a commitment to (re)build/reload from within because given the current CBA, if they don’t do that, they will never be as good as they can for as long as they can.
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QFT, please, no knee-jerk trades involving A prospects mandated by the higher ups. Those kids are damn good and we need to reap the rewards.
For the first time in his career, Posada screwed up in public. He deserves to get a break for a first time screw-up. It was totally out of character for him, but, he caused it.
Warning Track Power,
NP.
Its true….Girardi handled the situation better than anyone….probably because bunting wasn’t involved
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Can we talk about Gardner being a bad base stealer? Anything else than this soap opera drivel?
# Against All Odds May 16th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
# Mell May 16th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Francesa: Ownership told Cashman to do the interview because they knew Girardi would have to talk during the game. They wanted Cashman to speak to Fox.
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Really? The guy who came off looking like a professional Saturday night was Girardi. I thought he handled things the way they should have been. I think he could have deftly handled whatever questions the FOX guys had for him.
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Yea Girardi did a good job during his presser. If it’s true maybe the FO over thought the situation.
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Agree about Girardi; he was firm but compassionate. Very classy.
Rich in NJ May 16th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Betsy
The punch…and he’s good.
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Heathcott blew me away down in Lakewood. Just 3 games but I really came away from that feeling a lot less cavalier about his Yankee future. He’s basically what people in here keep trying to pass Gardner off as. I can’t wait to get this one here in Trenton.
I forgive Jorge! Let’s beat Tampa, that’s what’s important here. Back to baseball….stop feeding the machine Yankees brass so they can focus on playing better.
Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Its hard to handle a situation worse than Posada / Front Office.
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true.
Girardi wouldn’t have even given Rosenthal anything. He would have danced around it. Would have repeated his “asked for a day off” stance and dealt with it later. He handled his postgame PC perfectly. Gave in a little to Jorge, a little to ownership, and he looks like the neutral party and the bigger man in all of this. Of course, he can’t just go in on Posada because he still has a clubhouse to manage, but still, he did well.
The problem with Cashman is that he felt the need for the truth to be out there and wanted Posada to face the music and had no interest in covering up for him. He basically revealed every detail through the media.
Again, when the Yankees want to keep something in-house (like what happened with Eliand), they do. Within an hour, every beatwriter knew about the hissyfit. Jack Curry, who works for the Yankees and probably got it from Cashman himself, was the first guy to report it.
Yea Girardi did a good job during his presser. If it’s true maybe the FO over thought the situation.
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Agree about Girardi; he was firm but compassionate. Very classy.
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Girardi was sincere I felt. I was blasting him, feel bad about that now. I didn’t think he’d be so callous so I was surprised. Turns out he wasn’t callous.
I’m not buying that there’s some huge issue with them. Posada said again yesterday how much Girardi has supported him.
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I’m not crazy about Joe’s game stewardship but as a “player’s manager” I’d say he’s first rate.
“I agree with this Rich. Jeter can rip Posada privately all he wants but if he turns around and lets him off to the media whats the point? He should just say its been handled.”
That’s what Jeter did for the Burnett punching the wall incident last year. Said it has been handled.
Different circumstances here though – it involves his best friend and he has no love for ownership after this winter.
Tom in N.J. May 16th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Who is the current Yankees union rep?
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It usually goes to whatever guy the rest of the players are trying to shaft. A few, like Fan Healy campaigned for the job. Cone did it because he studied it and was by all accounts really good at it. Personally, I think Cone got the job because he could out talk everyone else.
My guess is that someone like Teixeira or Sabathia.
# Tom in N.J. May 16th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Who is the current Yankees union rep?
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Is it Teix? Grandy comes to mind also, but I may be confusing his role in NY w/Detroit.
Call up Heathcott to fight somebody…..change the topic.
I think it well may be Teix.
# blake May 16th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Call up Heathcott to fight somebody…..change the topic.
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Heathcott can fight with and then pray with them.
Call up Heathcott to fight somebody…..change the topic.
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Any word from the Sallie League on suspensions?
New meme from media re: Jorge’s struggles. Hitting .180 since his last concussion. Maybe its health related.
5 game suspension.
Any word from the Sallie League on suspensions?
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5 games apparently and he has served 2?
I hope heathcott doesn’t get suspended long……I want him on track and in the big leagues ASAP.
Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
I would disagree with this statement, many on this blog were convinced the Sox could never come back from where they were to contend, there was a whole thread about it with Jerkface being one of the leading advocates of that ridiculous theory.
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Trisha led that charge, I picked the red sox to make the playoffs as the wild card.
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Boston is not some powerhouse team. There isn’t one out there. In fact, they don’t have a lot of power. The Rays have better SP, too.
http://www.nj.com/thunder/inde....._heat.html
Boston is not some powerhouse team. There isn’t one out there. In fact, they don’t have a lot of power. The Rays have better SP, too.
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Ok? All I was saying is that I didn’t bury the Sox because they started slow.
Speaking of the future, will Cito Culver be in SI in June? Yankeefem?
Yes, Heathcott has missed two games already.
Boston is not some powerhouse team. There isn’t one out there. In fact, they don’t have a lot of power. The Rays have better SP, too.
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Ok? All I was saying is that I didn’t bury the Sox because they started slow.
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Sorry, I just have Orel Hershisher’s “They’re going to s-w-eeeeee-p!” in my ears, still.
# J. Alfred Prufrock May 16th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Speaking of the future, will Cito Culver be in SI in June? Yankeefem?
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Yes, should be. June 17th is OD.
J-Ram pitches tonight for Dogs, btw.
GB7, I saw your post; Turley is looking good.
“Francesa: Jorge has a major problem with Girardi but we know that”
And left handed pitching.
# Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
New meme from media re: Jorge’s struggles. Hitting .180 since his last concussion. Maybe its health related.
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I fear this and hope not.
Jerkface May 16th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
New meme from media re: Jorge’s struggles. Hitting .180 since his last concussion. Maybe its health related.
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Were that so, would it up the compassion quotient of those who wish him beheaded in the town square?
Doubt it.
# RhapsodyInBlue May 16th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
“Francesa: Jorge has a major problem with Girardi but we know that”
And left handed pitching.
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But the latter only this year, and he still has had very few AB’s right-handed.
YankeeFem, Turley had what was probably his best start ever. Looks like Sanchez is trying to make things tough on the yankees to keep from getting sent back to Staten Island.
I do think Hal should get Jeter and possibly Posada into his office and have a free for all clearing the air session with them.
The fact is, both men have been paid handsomely by this organization and if they are struggling like they have been, they need to be humble and gracious if the team makes moves in order to win now vs. coddling their ego’s.
That kind of open no holds barred dialogue could turn the season around or could give Hal the kind of power/confidence to deal with the declining guys that this organization needs.
Jeter and Posada need to understand that the Yankees have thanked them for their past accomplishments in spades and millions and if the Yankees think their best chance of winning conflicts with the script that Jorge and Derek had in mind for the remainder of their careers, they have to accept it or produce.
I really think Jeter thought a 5 year 100 million extension was perfectly fine for him and he’d be at SS for another 5 years. I think Posada thought he’d be the starting catcher this year and be resigned for another 3 years and 50 million after this year.
Reality and fantasy are very different things.
Without PED’s in the game, the over 35 guys just don’t look the same as they did in the 90′s and most of the past decade.
The window of productive players is 21-35 right now and the Yankees and the rest of baseball know this. It’s been seismic shift in the game and I think the players who watched 40 year olds have MVP PED fueled seasons are forgetting that the drugs helped them do that. Playing in an era where guys beat the age odds have made some of the older players less realistic about what they can do at the latter stages of their careers.
The only one it doesn’t apply to is Mo because he’s an alien. That said, if Mo couldn’t get anyone out I think he would be the first person to retire or remove himself from the closer role.
Girardi and Francona are two of the best spinners in the business, the media wouldn’t get anything pertaining the clubhouse politics from either mgr. Let’s remember Posada came out a few days ago and thanked Girardi for backing him up, I doubt he had a problem with Girardi batting him 9th, he knows he’s in a funk, and the media blew this thing way out of proportion. We’re two straight wins in Tampa from this Sado thing disappearing for good.
Someone should try to convince Swisher that tonight’s game is in New York.
# GreenBeret7 May 16th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
YankeeFem, Turley had what was probably his best start ever. Looks like Sanchez is trying to make things tough on the yankees to keep from getting sent back to Staten Island.
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Great to hear, GB7. Did you listen to the game? Turley’s been one of my dark horse pitchers for a couple of years now. Plus love that he is a lefty. Wished I could have seen him pitch when the Dogs were in NJ.
Sanchez is so impressive. I would love to see him stay with Charleston.
“The Other Phil May 16th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Scooter: I would disagree with that. The games are more intense from a playing perspective because both teams are usually in the hunt for 1st place. They play hard and tough, but there’s very little animosity for another TEAM anymore. Posada didn’t like Pedro, but that was player on player, not team on team.
And most of the chippiness and words through the press were owner on owner, not player on player. There’s really no use for it. If they need ‘bad blood’ in order to get up for a game, they shouldn’t be playing in it.”
Sure there’s a need for it. That’s how baseball was for 100 years. That’s what made it America’s pastime. You didn’t like the guys on the other team and you really didn’t like the guys on the Red Sox.
Did you watch the games this weekend? Were the Yankees up for it? With these guys all buddy buddy the players are all like who cares if the Sox swept us? Those guys are my friends. Good for them. Lame. Another thing is they play them way too many times with this stupid schedule.
Off topic:
ebertchicago tweet
When a friend on an online forum dies, how does anybody find out? This is a heartbreaker.
http://feralgenius.blogspot.co.....annah.html
I really think Jeter thought a 5 year 100 million extension was perfectly fine for him and he’d be at SS for another 5 years. I think Posada thought he’d be the starting catcher this year and be resigned for another 3 years and 50 million after this year.
Reality and fantasy are very different things.
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Reality and fantasy are very different things. For instance, the fantasy that you “really think” you know what Jeter and Posada really thought.
“Oh hey Randy, taking a break from selling trinkets to add nothing to the conversation?”
jerkface-
oh, i don’t know about not adding anything to the conversation.
anytime i can buzz your sabermetrically biased tower i feel like i’m doing a community service.
i wish you’d mix it up a little though. your anti jeter rhetoric is kind of turning you into a one trick pony lately.
your rooting against jeter to do well is pretty transparent.
At least Swish and Teix are batting righty.
Jorgie 2011
14 games he DHed against LHed pitching, no hits, BA .000.
30 games he DHed against RHed pitching, 18 hits, BA .212
http://www.baseball-reference......1&t=b
Just saw the Heathcott footage-
AWESOME! I’m glad the young man showed some fire and stood up for himself.
Bronx, that’s…..really sad. But happy the way she eulogized him & brought him to life.
B. Jeers,
Interesting link….very sad. Its a good question and one that Im guessing will be more and more relevant in the future.
# Bronx Jeers May 16th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Off topic:
ebertchicago tweet
When a friend on an online forum dies, how does anybody find out? This is a heartbreaker.
http://feralgenius.blogspot.co…..annah.html
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Chapman with 12 walks in the last 1.1 innings.
http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2011
I doubt Jorge breaks out with his first hit off of 2011 off of a lefthander with Price the starter.
But that’s why they play the games.
I don’t see Jorge in the lineup vs. Price.
# RhapsodyInBlue May 16th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
I doubt Jorge breaks out with his first hit off of 2011 off of a lefthander with Price the starter.
But that’s why they play the games.
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Jones will likely get the start against Price.
YankeeFem, I listed to the Charleston weekend, and Sanchez really hit….as dod Segedin and DeLeon. Murphy has hit all year. Not sure if you’ve been to greenville, but for those two kids to hit homers on top of that insurance building is just amazing. Those were shots and then Sanchez hit the building two floors below the roof. and he just turned 18? He has some kind of power.
JackCurryYES Whose getting the clutch hit(s) tonight? With RISP, Yankes are 7 for last 44. Rays are 7 for last 35.
I ***listened*** to the
Everyone needs to settle down.
In reality, two things can be happening here, neither of which we have any control over.
1- Swisher, Rodriguez, Cano, and Teixiera will gradually return to the levels of production they’ve established for themselves over their productive, all-star level careers. Jeter and Posada will not continue to be monumentally bad. Gardner will return to being an effective basestealer, in line with his career norms (contrary to the baseless popular opinion that he is a poor baserunner and basestealer).
2- Swisher, Rodriguez, Cano, and Teixiera will not return to the levels of production they have previously established for themselves, at least this season. Jeter and Posada continue to look monumentally bad and waltz awkwardly together towards the sunset. Gardner continues to act like a little leaguer on the basepaths.
I’m much more inclined to believe that situation 1 has a far greater probability of playing out than situation 2. At least more elements of situation 1 should play out than elements of situation 2. If such occurs, the Yankees should win this division, or make the playoffs, without much of a problem. Tampa isn’t very good. Even with their offense producing as it is RIGHT NOW, the Yankees have a vastly better offensive team than they do. Price, Hellickson, and Shields will be enough to keep them above water, but I don’t see them having the offensive clout to stick around in this race.
If situation 2 happens to play out, the Yankees are pretty screwed, plain and simple. Not much the fans, Joe Girardi, or Brian Cashman will be able to do in that unfortunate scenario. You can fix a team that is partially broken (to some degree) but you cannot fix a team that is completely broken. At least midseason. In fact, the ramifications of that scenario go well beyond this season. I don’t believe it will occur, but there are some pretty scary implications there for this franchise.
The unspoken element here is the defense. This team CANNOT continue to make lackadaisical defensive miscues, particularly behind pitch to contact guys like Garcia and Nova. The pitching staff is simply not good enough to weather pathetic defense. It’ll be a long season if they don’t wake up on that side of the ball.
Bronx Jeers May 16th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Off topic:
ebertchicago tweet
When a friend on an online forum dies, how does anybody find out? This is a heartbreaker.
http://feralgenius.blogspot.co…..annah.html
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thanks for the link Bronx Jeers. That’s really sad.
i wish you’d mix it up a little though. your anti jerkface rhetoric is kind of turning you into a one trick pony lately.
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mirrored
Also ignoring all my other posts about everything. The randy-verse is as twisted as the prufrock-verse
yankeefeminista
If Jones doesn’t start tonight one would hope that Jorge pulls himself from the lineup.
“New meme from media re: Jorge’s struggles. Hitting .180 since his last concussion. Maybe its health related.”
jerkface-
now this is useful info. got a link?
if posada is feeling some effects from the concussion he doesn’t know about he could very well be affected.
the way i understand it is that one of the things that happens with concussions is that there is reduced blood flow though the pre frontal cortex because of permanently damaged brain tissue .
i know when i was catching a lot of pitchers, i took a lot of legal supplements to make me more alert mentally and visually. there are a lot of supplements that can increase blood flow to the damaged area.
at the time ephedra was a legal supplement. when i would take it, the sky looked bluer. seriously. it made a big difference. when they banned it , i just switched to sudafed which was synthesized ephedra. now that they have tweaked sudafed again so i don’t know what it does .
there are things posada can do legally that would help his concussion problems with reduced brain blood flow . hopefully he’s taking something under medical supervision to address this issue.
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# GreenBeret7 May 16th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
YankeeFem, I listed to the Charleston weekend, and Sanchez really hit….as dod Segedin and DeLeon. Murphy has hit all year. Not sure if you’ve been to greenville, but for those two kids to hit homers on top of that insurance building is just amazing. Those were shots and then Sanchez hit the building two floors below the roof. and he just turned 18? He has some kind of power.
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Looks like DeLeon is heating up, good to see. Once Heathcott is back, it might be difficult to get enough work for those 4 OF’s. Yes, Murphy is such a seasoned hitter and Sanchez has enormous power. He won’t be 19 until the end of the year, lol.
No, I haven’t been to any parks down in the south at all, but that team makes me almost want to move to Charleston. They have such tremendous hitters, probably the best group of position prospects on one team that I can remember in my time of following the prospects.
Interesting that you’re owning up to the use of PED
Randy and A-rod, not too far apart.
thanks for the link Bronx Jeers. That’s really sad.
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Isn’t it?
You know over the years there’s been so many familiar names in here that just stopped posting and you have to think that all of them weren’t driven away by Jerkface.
Posada has a hot temper, screwed up and then apologized. Time to move on.
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A bigger problem is no one is hitting especially with risp. They are playing bad baseball, errors, getting picked off, etc. Only Grandy is hitting.
Joelsherman1 Interesting how quietly pugnacious Hal Steinbrenner is. Not public like dad, but fire back nature when feels crossed like George #Yankees
YankeeFem,
One thing Murphy has started to do is play third base and will be getting outfield play shortly. I think that once Heathcott gets back (end of the month), he’s going to Tampa to play. Promotions for the outfield will affect every team in the system.
A-rod is a better teammate than Posada. Discuss.
What’s up with Soriano? His arm hurts, unavailable for the RS and Tampa Bay, can’t pitch in cold weather.
Cashman might turn out to be right when he didn’t want to sign this guy. And if he has a bad year the Yankees will be stuck with another bad contract.
# GreenBeret7 May 16th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
YankeeFem,
One thing Murphy has started to do is play third base and will be getting outfield play shortly. I think that once Heathcott gets back (end of the month), he’s going to Tampa to play. Promotions for the outfield will affect every team in the system.
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Yes, I had heard Murphy would play some outfield. His catching doesn’t look too impressive so far and if he can be versatile that will help get him into lineups with that very nice bat of his. I don’t like Sosa or DeLeon not playing regularly, so the Heathcott move will help both of their playing time, and they have both been swinging the bat well lately. I am guessing as far as OF goes, Mason Williams will be at SI and Ravel Santana at GCL. I wonder who will move up to Charleston this year…
Joelsherman1 #Yankees have declining, proud, privileged players v. execs who don’t want inmates running asylum. Formula for constant tension/explosions
Soriano doesn’t pitch against the AL east, bad teams, or on the weekends…….everything else is fair game.
Soriano doesn’t pitch against the AL east, bad teams, or on the weekends…….everything else is fair game.
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Just gotta get the stars aligned. Wednesday night game against last place AL west or AL central team with 4 run lead and a fresh inning with 3 innings of notice before warming up.
blake May 16th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
Soriano doesn?t pitch against the AL east, bad teams, or on the weekends??.everything else is fair game.
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Soriano doesn’t pitch against the AL east, bad teams, or on the weekends…….everything else is fair game.
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Thank you Randy Levine
I thought jeter and jorge were all about winning!!!
really seemed unusual to me… If jorge cares about winning where does he want to bat? 5th? the guys is the worse hitter in the lineup, then swisher, and then jeter.. they are the 3 worse hitters in the lineup…… as bad as gardner and arod and others have been they are still better then jeter, jorge, and swisher.
here is some good news the yanks eliminate jorges $13 mill charity donation this of season and save $13 mill on nick clutch swisher…………………that is $26 mill…
they need to add more young offense, why not montero if this continues for anothe rfew weeks……vazquez also but this guy is no teenager……………..
Jerkface,
Nah the Mariners or somebody is beneath him….the Tigers with a 2 run lead on a Monday (only in the 8th or 9th ) is acceptable.
look at all the bad deals… fatso or prez fingerprints all over them. cashmans recommendation not taken in each instance.
jeter for stupid money for stupid term. posada ditto….soriano, do i need to say more>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>arod was all chain smoking crew cut steinny buffooon……….
cashman knows what he is doing but they only listen to him some of the time
6:40 start time? cmon Rays ownership
Ledger_Yankees So no Posada. Again, as expected.
I think while the Yanks are in Tampa Hal should meet with Jeter to clear the air. Tell him what Posada did was wrong and Jeter was wrong for saying it was ok and then explain to him that this is the New York Yankees and not the New York Core 4. These guys are proud players but the team comes first. When the organization has to discuss with Jeter why a SS who is hitting .200 can’t bat lead off or #2 it is going to be a disaster.
No Posada, no Gardner tonight. Nunez at 3B, Jones in LF, Rodriguez DH.
New Post: Rodriguez at DH in series opener
Off Topic (sort of):
GB7 and anyone else who’d like to respond:
Have you ever been to McCormick Field in Asheville NC to catch a Tourists game? The Tourists are the Colorado Rockies’ Class A affiliate. When I lived in NC, I would head to Asheville when the River Dogs were in town so that I could sneak a peek at some Baby Bombers.
Anyway, the stadium is wonderful, especially if you’re a fan of baseball history. The field dates back to 1924, although the grandstand was completely rebuilt and opened in 1992. It’s built in to a hillside, and it’s surrounded by trees and mountains. It’s cheap (free parking!), and IMHO a delightful place to take in a ballgame.
Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig played there. Ty Cobb & Jackie Robinson played exhibition games there. Willie Stargell and a slew of other great players played there as well.
Cal Ripken Jr. played there, and he was a bat boy there in the 70′s.
If you’re ever in Asheville, you should definitely check it out
“Interesting that you’re owning up to the use of PED”
jerkface-
ephedra wasn’t illegal then.it’s a plant. people have used it for thousands of years.
joh mcain had it banned after the tragic steve bechler case when the oriole pitcher after jogging in a rubber suit to lose weight got heat stroke and died. bechler was also taking a legal supplement that had ephedra in it.
the amount in bechler’s system was less than the amount they put in one dose of baby sudafed .
it was a knee jerk reaction to an herb that was never banned in it’s synthesized form which was sudafed.
so basically they banned the health food store from carrying something but not the over the counter drug store from selling the same thing.
more than you want to know , but those are the facts.
Soon the lineup will be posted with the same old tired bodies. Price tonight? Trouble.
Swish from the right side. :thumbsup:
lol, wrong thread, but good job, Swish.:)