Run all over Yankee Stadium for a good cause
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on May 17, 2011 
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Ever wanted to run all over Yankee Stadium? Now you can, while also helping raise money for cancer research. This is a pretty cool event so if you’re interested, registration opened yesterday and is limited to the first 4,000 folks. Check out the release below.
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IN ITS THIRD YEAR, DAMON RUNYON 5K AT YANKEE STADIUM ON TRACK TO RAISE $1 MILLION FOR CANCER RESEARCH
Thousands of avid runners, passionate baseball fans, cancer survivors, and supporters from across the country will descend on Yankee Stadium on August 7, and it won’t be to see the Bronx Bombers play the Red Sox. Instead, they will be supporting the Damon Runyon Cancer Research Foundation, which opened registration today for its annual Runyon 5K at Yankee Stadium.
The only charitable run/walk that uses the legendary ballpark as its course, the 5K will take place on Sunday, August 7, 2011. The event is on track to reach a three-year total of $1 million raised to fund groundbreaking cancer research by the nation’s most innovative young scientists.
Registration for individuals and teams opened today at www.damonrunyon.org/yankeestadium and is limited to the first 4,000 registrants. For a $40 registration fee and a minimum fundraising requirement of $60, participants can run or walk the Stadium’s concourses, climb stairs between levels, appear on the video board, and follow in the footsteps of their favorite players by taking their own victory laps on the warning track that circles the field. After July 7, the registration fee will increase to $50. Family members and supporters will have the opportunity to view the event from the Delta SKY360° Suite overlooking home plate – 100% of all funds raised by participants will go directly to top cancer researchers, some of whom will be on hand to answer questions about their cancer research.
Last year’s event raised more than $400,000 and drew a capacity crowd of 4,000 participants, from ages 5-75 and from 29 states.
Whether this is a transition year or not, things are clearer now than ever:
1. ARod may not be as productive as expected over the next 6 remaining years of his contract. Is he still a 30/100 player? Sure, but don’t expect more. The days of 40 or 50 HR may be gone.
2. Jeter has declined. Not is in decline – has declined. IMO, he retires after this season should his career average dip to near .300.
3. Posada is going to get traded or released mid-season. If not, and he rebounds to respectability, it would behoove him to retire after this season.
4. We’re one injury away from a disaster of a bullpen. Should anything happen to Mo, there is no reliable arm currently there to take the load, and that has to be addressed. I felt that Mo was overused anyway thus far, but with Soriano out, I’d put Hughes in the pen upon his return.
5. The rotation needs another infusion of youth. They’re in the system (read AA), but we need someone. Now. My call is for Phelps. After this season, we can retool by solidifying the #3, #4, and #5 spots from within the system. CC and AJ are not going anywhere, and Hughes may not be the answer.
Niblick,
?Girardi has never liked Jorge. Girardi has not treated Jorge particularly well, including allowing pitchers to opt for other catchers as their ?personal? catcher. Who runs the team, prima donna pitchers or the manager??
John Flaherty was the personal catcher for Randy Johnson under Joe Torre
Is it illegal to give the entire team, save Granderson, an injection of Colon’s fat?
Jeter would have to not get a hit the rest of the season probably for his career average to dip near .300…….he could go 0 for his next 500 and his career average would still be .297.
I’ve got an idea….Posada for Beltran.
Neither will be with their team next season anyway.
Mets get some financial relief. Cashman gets some psychological relief.
Beltran gets to play for the team he always wanted to play for anyway – for 1/2 a season.
RayVT – how could you say that Girardi doesn’t have his players’ back? He’s always supportive of them when he speaks, and from what I see gave Posada plenty of leeway when interviewed. What would you have wanted him to do in that spot?
Re-post.
TSOC: Not quite. In 2005, the only year that both Johnson and Flaherty were with the Yankees, Flaherty caught Johnson for 135 2/3 innings; Jorge 90. That 60% did not make Flaherty Johnson?s personal catcher.
I agree . .Girardi backed Posada from day one ! . even batting .165 Girardi supported Posada.
DaSaint007 May 17th, 2011 at 11:17 am
I’ve got an idea….Posada for Beltran.
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That was a joke right?
I’ve got an idea….Posada for Beltran
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Mets would hang up before Cashman got the words out of his mouth. Doesn’t work for them on any level.
You cannot just change everything as in doing that it becomes the focus. These are top notch players we are talking about who are slumping. They need to relax and know that their Coach has their back. Unfortunately not only does the Coach not have their backs, but Cashmoney doesn?t either.
When you look at options for this team there are not many that make sense. The movement of Posada to 9th was plain & simple dumb! If that was Joe G?s idea, then he should have talked to Posada in private 1st but to wait until the rosters are posted it makes zero sense. Also, Posada had hits in 3 of the last 4 games (> .300) he played & IMO was starting to look better.
A lineup of the following needs to be the core lineup everyday:
Jeter ? Grandy ? ARod ? Cano ? Tex ? Montero/Martin ? Martin/Posada ? Swisher ? Gardner
Of course Nunez/Laird/Jones need to be used to fill in for rest intervals.
Martin is catching too much & ARod is not resting enough. Jeter needs some rest as well & Nunez could lead off when he spells Jeter. The best 3 hitters on the team are ARod, Grandy & Cano. They need to be 2, 3 & 4. Tex provides protection for Cano & Montero & a rested Martin would provide protection for Tex. Moving Swish to 8th would allow him to hit 2nd cleanup & take some pressure off of him.
You can?t rest core guys with bats of Pena & Cervelli. When Chavez comes back, then decide if you need to let Jones or Laird go.
Also, Cashman needs to grow something & keep his whiney mouth shut about player issues. He caused a problem with Jeter & now Posada. Posada is not the only person that did that to a GM. If you can’t have a frank & open discussion then there will be more problems. The most likely scenario is Cashman I want to be Manager told Joe G to move Posad to 9th & Joe G told Posada that. Hence the steam blowoff to Cashmoney. IMO, Cashmoney’s micromanaging of Joe G is the real problem. Posada understood that & so does Jeter & so does the rest of the team. Cash being so public causes a rift & a lack of respect for its Manager Joe G as well. (Do you still wonder why Torre who told Cashman to pound sand was endeared by the team?)
AAA players that currently might help:
Hitters-Montero, Vazquez and Parraz
Pitchers-Phelps, Mitchell, Kontos, Whelan
SWB stats:
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....38;cid=531
Not every problem has a solution. Unfortunately, that may be where the Yanks are right now.
Jeter, ARod, Swisher, Martin, Teixeira, Cano and Granderson are fixtures and not going anywhere. You can shake up the lineup but that won’t do much although it may feel good.
You could bring Montero or Maxwell up, and replace Posada or Gardner, but replacing Gardner won’t help much. And Montero may or may not produce right out of the box. But maybe worth a try, although we fans tend to forget the human angle and ignore the enormous pressure it would put on Montero. Fans’ expectations can sometimes hurt more than it helps.
The rotation hasn’t hurt, so I don’t see a change there as either needed (yet) or helpful.
One thing they could do is fish or cut bait with Soriano – either pitch him or dl him – and call up Schmidt, Whelan, Sisco or someone to help with short relief, and return Sanit or Noesi to AAA and call up some bench help (again either Montero or Maxwell).
They also need to fix Nunez somehow. He’s hitting too well to send him down, but they need to fix the throwing somehow.
What else can the Yanks do right now?
The most likely scenario is Cashman I want to be Manager told Joe G to move Posad to 9th & Joe G told Posada that.
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Yeah ok RayVT ,, Posada is the one that Quit on his team.
blake, you’re right.
Even at this current pace, he could still end with a .310 career AVG.
A bit of history. The 1947 team hated, positively hated, Larry MacPhail, the GM (and, I believe, part owner) at the time. They won the World Series.
Would anyone here sign up for that this year?
Enough with the ARod ignorance.
While he certainly may decline over the next 6 years…
The guy looked like the best hitter in baseball until his recent injury, which led to some mechanical flaws in his swing.
He will fix that flaw, hopefully soon, and return to being an elite bat.
If you want to think he magically “lost it” from the first few weeks to now, and the injury and time off had nothing to do with it, be my guest. I figure you probably also think the season is over.
Joe from Long Island May 17th, 2011 at 11:17 am
There are two sides to Joe G! The public side where he is overstating things like Joba has only had 5 or so bad outings but where he basically seems to support his team.
The other side appears to be he is throwing the players under the bus by allowing Cashman to dictate stuff. Cashman is saying things like we need to do XY&Z. That is the Coach’s job.
WYH: One thing they could do is drop a couple of pitchers and replace them with players, who might give Joe some flexibility and the ability to rest tired and or slumping players. No reason to have 13 pitchers, when Joe has no confidence in the last couple and doesn’t use them. Joe’s fetish for a large pitching staff, rather than a good one, is truly bizarre.
Wave – Alex said something interesting last week. He said you play infield with your legs, and that you fall into a trap if you’re positioned too deep and have to air it out with your throw. That Nunez needs to play in more, and use his range, to shorten his throws. Since Alex knows something about baseball and playing infield, I hope Nunez pays attention.
Niblick,
Flaherty didn’t become Johnson’s main guy until Joe Torre saw that it wasn’t working between Johnson and Posada in the second half of 2005.
If you don’t like that example Will Nieves was Mussina’s personal catcher
“No reason to have 13 pitchers, when Joe has no confidence in the last couple and doesn’t use them.”
This is a fair point. I’m still shocked Logan is still on our team. Every time I see the kid warming I think to myself, “Does Joe even WANT to win this game?”
He will fix that flaw, hopefully soon, and return to being an elite bat.
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ARod has always been one of my favorite players, but that doesn’t stop me from recognizing that he too is in decline. I’m not sure how ‘ignorant’ it is to expect an elite player to maintain for the next 6 years while aging into his 40′s.
‘Ignorance’ is not recognizing that while 30/100 is fantastic (wish I could have done that), it’s not what he was just a few years ago. ‘Ignorance’ is not understanding that injuries happen and that as we age, it takes longer to heal. Just ask Pettitte or a score of older players.
I agree 13 pitchers doesn’t make sense.
And I hope Mick Kelleher has been working with Nunez, although I haven’t seen anything on that.
Mike Ri May 17th, 2011 at 11:23 am
I don’t agree that Posada quit the team. I think Cashman was sending a message that we don’t need Posada. So being a diehard Yankee, Posada faced the issue directly to the little chickensh_t and Cashman was almost in tears talking on ESPN on national TV.
The conversation probably went like this. If you don’t think I can F hit then F YS & trade me or release me. Don’t turn “Posada” into a circus scape goat for a team not hitting. And BTW “Posada” has 4+ hits in his last 4 games.
Would you guys rather have Nunez, who can hit, and hope he can learn to play a solid SS….
Or Iglesias, who can field well, but needs to learn to hit?
Nunez may always be a weak infielder and Iglesias may always be a weak hitter.
Regardless, Nunez’s stock should be rising now that he’s showing he could be a solid hitter.
BD-
Amen. I’ll take a bet against anyone who thinks Alex won’t go 30/100 this year.
If you want to think he magically “lost it” from the first few weeks to now, and the injury and time off had nothing to do with it, be my guest. I figure you probably also think the season is over.
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BD, read my posts from the previous page. I clearly stated that he’s still injured IMO.
Enjoy.
BD (Boston Dave) May 17th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Enough with the ARod ignorance. While he certainly may decline over the next 6 years…The guy looked like the best hitter in baseball until his recent injury, which led to some mechanical flaws in his swing. He will fix that flaw, hopefully soon, and return to being an elite bat. If you want to think he magically “lost it” from the first few weeks to now, and the injury and time off had nothing to do with it, be my guest. I figure you probably also think the season is over.
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You are missing the point. It’s the recovery time from injuries that plagues aging players as much as their skills diminishing. Why do you think Pettitte took steroids?
My wife and I did the Damon Runyon run through the stadium last year and it was so much fun. If you’re looking to do something cool with your family, this is a great event. You run all through the stadium and you even get to do 2 laps around the outside of the field/warning track.
We’re probably doing it again this year. You also can bring supporters who get to sit and the stands and watch you and they didn’t have to pay to enter.
When you’re running around the field they put you up on the jumbotron. It’s a great event.
WCYF-
I don’t think he is injured. I think the few days off just screwed up his swing (and his head).
DaSaint,
So Alex didn’t look as good as he has since 2007 to start the season, until he was injured?
He looked as good as he has since he was a Yankee.
But if that doesn’t fit your need to be down on the Yanks right now, I won’t get in the way.
Due to lingering effects from his concussion last September, Posada will not catch again. His trade value is limited, if traded to a team in the NL, unless they see his 13.1M salary as a 1st baseman or purely pinch-hitter. So no Posada for Beltran.
The Yankees will probably need to look within their minor league system for help, at least until the trading deadline, because currently almost all teams, save the Twins, are possible playoff contendors.
RavVT-
Forget it, you can’t change the minds of a few fans who want to turn on Jorge and kick him the minute he’s down. I can’t understand how a Yankee fan can find it in his heart to attack Jorge over such a minor sin, but it takes all kinds I guess.
Fine DaSaint. Thats possible and sorry if I missed other posts. I wasn’t directing anything to you – but Im on my phone at work so I can’t read everything.
Anyway, I definitely dispute that he can’t still be a 40-120 guy right now.
RayVT: Amen to what you said!
Something was lost in translation with Soriano. “He has a stiff elbow” should actually be “He is a stiff.”
Give the man a bat, put him in the lineup, and he’ll fit right in.
RAyVT – you bring up an interesting point, that is, what’s the relationship between Joe and Cash. How hands on is Cash. Don’t know that we’ll ever find out. But, I don’t think Cash would be telling Joe to keep playing Posada and his .165 BA.
Is Cash dictating lineups, and who to play? Is Cash trying to dictate other things? I honestly can’t say for sure. Per MoneyBall, Billy Beane used to do it to Art Howe. Beane’s reported thoughts, per the author Michael Lewis, was that managers were middle management, and should follow the line dictated by him, the GM. Not just in lineups and who to play, but his philosophy in hit and runs, steals, bunts, etc.
Philosophy did play a role in Girardi’s hiring, like any manger hiring. Reportedly, Cash and the Steinbrenners liked Joe’s level of preparation, and use of statistical analysis. Ditto the hiring of Larry Rothschild, they liked how he used video of pitchers. But, I digress.
It would be an interesting thing to ask in an interview, after the season. But, I don’t know that we’re going to know for sure.
Has the sky fallen yet?
Wave Your Hat,
Refusing to play and threatening to quit is a minor thing to you?
The Yankees should have 15 day DL’d Soriano & let him get well. I also think they should only have 11 pitchers with 1 of them being a longman (Noesi). They can always bring someone up quickly if they deplete the BP.
In the Yankee MiLB they have some known quantities that can hit. Montero & Laird are two of them. (Laird is hitting again now after a slow start.) They need to be on the roster now. Nunez can’t even PR because the team has no flexibilty. Also I don’t understand how Gardner is so bad at stealing a base now & even the lack of attempts.
There almost seems like there is a grading scale & everyone is being evaluated for every mistake. Heck, mistakes happen. Get over it and have confidence in the team. If things go bad communicate it one on one or a closed team meeting but not on ESPN.
Triple – Never felt or reacted to an emotion in your life, eh?
RayVT –
Posada took him self out of the lineup . ….. why ??? …… Well first his “Back” . then he had a bad day. .. then he needed to clear his head. If the Manager pins you up to bat ninth. . YOU bat ninth . .simple as that .. . Posada is NOT above the team. … He let his fans down . .and he let his team down.. HE flat out pulled a Nomar. I’d love to see Posada pull that BS with Bill Martin. . .he’d have a black eye and a busted lip !
Cashman was FORCED by all accounts to talk on National TV by ownership becasue Fox got whiff of Posada and was going to interigate Girardi during the in game interview. Besides ..what exactly did Cashman say on live TV that was so bad ?/ He said talk to Posada as to why he’s not in the game . …He deferred to Posada countless times in the interview with Fox………. He probably should have said no comment .
I’ll tell you this VT . .you can’t sit there and make up your rumors ! and Posada nor Jeter is above the team
No prob BD.
As big a fan of ARod as there is, and his ST was great. IMO, he could return to being a feared hitter but I don’t think he’s ‘feared’ anymore. Respected, yes, but not feared. He used to crush pitchers, and I’m hoping that once he recovers he can do that again. If he ges to 40/120 that would be great, but the last time he had over 30HR AND over 120 RBI was 2007. And 2008 was his last year hitting over .300.
Wave Your Hat May 17th, 2011 at 11:34 am
I agree! Fair weather fans or ones with strong dislikes!
Oh, we’re playing Dr. Phil with the trolls trying to figure out who is the “team” and how all the players are feeling? Bye.
RIP Harmon Killebrew
The lineup needs to be tweaked for sure. The best move they could make right now is to flip flop Cano and Tex. Cano will see better pitches with Alex hitting behind him or at least walk more with the pressure off him. Having Tex batting third right now serves no purpose the way he has been not hitting. I would also consider batting Martin sixth and moving Swisher down to eighth. I don’t understand all the hate for Jones–he has barely been given any significant playing time and has shown the ability to at least hit some singles. I have no idea why Girardi pinch hit Gardner for him last night.
Straw – I don’t know if A-Rod is injured or not, I don’t believe anything these guys or Girardi says anymore. I do believe that a his age though, the inevitable little injuries that occur to all ballplayers happen more frequently and players are slower to recover from them. That can include physically and also apply to his swing and mechanics.
Things just are not the same when you are 36 years old.
To me there’s nothing really to talk about re: this team.
If the company line is all will be ducky when the calendar flips and Tex mentally decides to start playing baseball again then we all should just go away and not watch this team until Texeira deems it appropriate to play to the level of his contract and 3 spot in the order.
Seriously.
If this team had any real concern about these stiffs in the lineup outside of a few they would do what every other team in the league does and take away playing time, change the batting order, call up other options, etc.
When David Ortiz couldn’t hit a softball last year the Sox moved him down to the bottom of the lineup. When Crawford looked like he couldn’t hit he got moved down.
Only the Yankees get their roles chiseled in granite. That’s part of the problem here. The patience and the lack of urgency when players go off the deep end. Maybe moving them might wake them up sooner than pretending what’s happening isn’t happening.
As far as I’m concerned we’re losing at a record clip the past 3 weeks so a few things should happen;
Arod should be DL’d until his oblique is 100%. He’s not helping us win as an injured player.
Soriano should be DL’d for a live arm in the minors.
Montero needs to be promoted and infused into the lineup.
I would also pick whatever OF’er in the minors looks the best and bring them up to take starts away from Swisher and threaten his plans of this long term big money contract he’s angling for.
Do those 4 things immediately, change the batting order around a little and look at other organizations for potential deals for corner OF’ers and pitching that we can trade some of our catching depth and pitching depth for.
Outside of that, the same result will keep happening.
Tex and Swisher are streaky headcases who are in their primes but mentally talk themselves out of their talent.
They are not franchise players regardless of how they compile stats.
It’s time to shake things up. Status quo just lets the failing vets think it’ll all get magically fixed with time and patience. Too much time and patience will get us to the bottom of the division before we know it.
It’s time for some accountability and some people who aren’t mentally cracked in the head to be put in this lineup who enjoy playing and are excited about being given the opportunity.
Mike: Cashman was not “FORCED” to talk on national TV. Only his ever-increasing quest for self-promotion and self-aggrandizement led him to talk. He should have done what the management of any organization should always do under similar circumstances: handle such problems privately, within the organization.
Irreverent Discourse,
In life yes, at work I have never refused to work and threatened to quit. If I wanted to quit I simply quit.
go find another Yankee that pulled that crap. Bernie didn’t. Arod didn’t. Donnie didn’t
“Refusing to play and threatening to quit is a minor thing to you?”
Under the circumstances, yes.
We have an All Star team. They’re just not performing like All Stars right now, but we’re only a fifth of the way into the season. Lot’s of time to turn things around.
Rotation isn’t bad.
Bullpen is vulnerable.
Defense has lapsed.
Hitting isn’t situational.
Speed on bases is inconsistent.
Mell – I didn’t know he died. When?
Triple-
Even Gary Sheffield didn’t.
Triple – It’s not hard to quit your job flipping burgers because your boss told you to clean the bathroom. You have no perspective of Posada’s situation (and no appreciation or empathy for it) whatsoever.
Niblick,
The front office wanted Cash to talk on TV because they know how bad Girardi is in those situations
If Posada decides that batting under .200 isn’t for him and retires, is he “quitting on the team” or “stepping aside to allow the team to succeed”?
You can’t have it both ways.
And if they are not turned around by ASB, then time for a shakeup as G. Love and others have postulated.
Anyway, got to do some work. Go Nova! Go Yankees!
Later ya’ll.
Mike: Cashman was not ?FORCED? to talk on national TV. Only his ever-increasing quest for self-promotion and self-aggrandizement led him to talk. He should have done what the management of any organization should always do under similar circumstances: handle such problems privately, within the organization.
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Niblick
When it comes to the NEW YORK Yankees !. . nothing is kept in house ! . .there are always leaks . . always sources . nothing is kept within
“Yeah ok RayVT ,, Posada is the one that Quit on his team.”
they have medication for your fixation problem.
time to turn the page.
Mike Ri May 17th, 2011 at 11:41 am
I’m not making up rumors. I said it was my opinion. Have you wondered in your almighty thinking why Posada went off on Cashman & not Girardi? Why would he do that?
And what good did Cashman going on FOX (I thought it was ESPN) do? Why did he have to put any creedence to anything. Cashman is weak. I have been a supporter of his decisions but this exemplifies a little Napoleon syndrome. It is an integrity thingy or lack thereof!
Sure, Posada should have batted 9th. People don’t always do the right thing, that is why they call it errors. I truly suspect that the reason behind the batting slot was what upset Posada. Torre should have never batted ARod 8th either. It happens.
Niblick:
He passed this morning.
Im trying randy . . . just aggravates me .. . lol . .. im over it though . . i just need a win !
Irreverent-
Forgive us if we don’t have any persepctive of the 13 million a year man’s refusal to live up to his contract and his insubordination to his boss. If that happened in any major corporation or small business, he would have been reprimanded instantly, and possibly terminated.
nothing is kept within
except things they don’t actually want leaked, like the Eiland situation last year and basically every other time a player or employee has gone home for “personal reasons”.
Wells threw his perfecto 13 years ago. What a team.
Irreverent Discourse,
Flipping burgers? So thats your example of a job in the real world?
empathy for what? Being dropped to 9th in the lineup when he was hitting 160? Are you kidding?
Crawford was dropped to 8th his first week in Boston.
If this is such a minor deal then you would assume a lot of players refuse to play during their
careers.
Niblick
When it comes to the NEW YORK Yankees !. . nothing is kept in house ! . .there are always leaks . . always sources . nothing is kept within
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Not true. They keep things quiet and in-house “WHEN THEY WANT TO.”
See Burnett’s black eye and Eiland’s leave of absence.
“If Posada decides that batting under .200 isn’t for him and retires, is he “quitting on the team” or “stepping aside to allow the team to succeed”? ”
That would be the best and most selfless and most team oriented thing he could do at this point. Let the kid at AAA have a chance. I almost wish he would do it, but I think his pride is to great to allow that to happen.
DaSaint,
Actually the season is about 1/4th over.
I don’t see the basis for the Posada has been abused viewpoint. He has a bad concussion history, his catching was abysmal last year, and the pitchers don’t like throwing to him per reports, so they make him a DH. He, like every other MLB player, must produce. He hasn’t. He should understand yesterday does not mean anything today other than to give him a longer leash. However, the leash is only so long, and it is nearly the end.
Jorge is certainly not the only problem, but that doesn’t mean it shold be ignored. They cannot afford a DH that can’t H. I said this a month ago and many were shocked that I would suggest the powerhouse Yankees can’t afford a weak link in the order. They can’t nor is their a reason in the world to do so if an alternative can be found.
The bottom line is players must produce. This is a tough business and they should know it.
brownies,
The day I graduated college. My dad still blames me to this day for him missing the game lol
TheStraw – No, you are not forgiven.
Show up to your job for 2 months, trying your hardest but failing miserably. Then get demoted to the cleaning staff and don’t “emotionally overreact and quit”. Just keep showing up and cleaning those toilets. WITH A SMILE ON YOUR FACE.
so, harmone killebrew is gone.
one of my boyhood baseball idols, even though i grew up in ny. by everything i read, a real gentleman.
the 20th century continues to pass away.
Posada was still talking about playing for a new contract here months ago. I doubt it highly he’s going to go gently into that good night.
Ian oconner on the radio. The parts about Arod etc have been the most publicized but hearing him talk about it it sounds like that’s a minor part and the overwhelming majority if the book is more like a love letter to him. Talked about how he has more respect for him than any athlete he’s ever covered etc…..said that Jeter reached out to Alex after the steroid admission and helped heal their relationship which according to Cashman was a huge factor in the 2009 title……I might actually read it.
YankeesPR Catch @teixeiramark25 and @Joba_62 at the #DeltaDugout this weekend: http://tinyurl.com/5rs8e2z.
RIP Harmon…..one of the greats.
I don’t see the parallel between multimillionaire playing a kids game and your example. Sorry.
RayVT May 17th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Mike Ri May 17th, 2011 at 11:23 am
I don’t agree that Posada quit the team. I think Cashman was sending a message that we don’t need Posada. So being a diehard Yankee, Posada faced the issue directly to the little chickensh_t and Cashman was almost in tears talking on ESPN on national TV.
The conversation probably went like this. If you don’t think I can F hit then F YS & trade me or release me. Don’t turn “Posada” into a circus scape goat for a team not hitting. And BTW “Posada” has 4+ hits in his last 4 games.
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Wave Your Hat May 17th, 2011 at 11:34 am
RavVT-
Forget it, you can’t change the minds of a few fans who want to turn on Jorge and kick him the minute he’s down. I can’t understand how a Yankee fan can find it in his heart to attack Jorge over such a minor sin, but it takes all kinds I guess.
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RayVT, WYH, Niblick (from previous thread):
I’m just dropping in to say your posts in defense of Posada are quite heartening to me.
I have really found the unforgiving, ultra pro-management, gratuitous stuff against Jorge in here sickening. Glad to see that there are actually fans/commenters in here who have some affection, appreciation & support for this great Yankee.
Niblick, I agree that bizarre an apt description of Cashman’s behavior. He seems to have a real agenda against his own players (is he in lame duck status & is that giving him the freedom to sound off?? Is it a concerted corporate decision to “go after” the older guys in the clubhouse & make them look bad?? There used to be no leaks at all, now Buster Olney is sitting in somebody’s lap upstairs daily).
Whatever one thinks of how you handle the aging player issue, how can this help the culture of the current clubhouse?? I agree Niblick that Posada was repeatedly insulted by Girardi with the AJ stuff & taking Po’s bat out of the lineup in the playoffs in 2009 was not only highly insensitive to the starting catcher it was bad baseball from the mgr, who was lucky to get away with it.
Just wanted to give a shout out to you three (Blake also great posts on the transparency of management’s calculated use of media to the team’s detriment).
Let’s hope this mess ends amicably & with some dignity (keeping my fingers crossed on that one) & that we start winning some games.
Irreverent Discourse,
For 13 million dollars I’ll mop the floors in an adult bookstore if they ask me to
” just aggravates me .. . lol . .. im over it though . . i just need a win !”
mike in ri-
that’s the spirit. we all need a win.
Not true. They keep things quiet and in-house ?WHEN THEY WANT TO.?
See Burnett?s black eye and Eiland?s leave of absence.
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Give it time WCYF
Triple – not the point… apparently i went way over your head.
Didn’t realize Killebrew had left the building. God bless.
Very sad news about Harmon Killebrew.
“For, you have to remember, Cashman was dead set against offering Posada more than a two-year contract back in the winter of ’07 when the then-catcher was a free agent, but was overruled by co-owner Hank Steinbrenner, who panicked after A-Rod opted out of his contract. And after hearing that Mets GM Omar Minaya was prepared to go five years for Posada, Steinbrenner ordered Cashman to go to four years.”
-From Erin’s link in the last thread.
Mike Ri May 17th, 2011 at 11:41 am
(Or is it CR 9)
I understand where you are coming from! It stems from control issues like an overbearing mother or lack of a father figure. Cashman decided he wanted to set history straight before others did so he went public. To me it was a slap in the face to Posada to move him to 9th in the Boston Series. KC series would have been ok. Posada had 4+ hits in the last 4 games & was being moved to 9th for the RSox series. This was a clear signal he wasn’t wanted. And all this crap about voiding contracts & stuff was over the top.
Cashman made his bed & he needs to lie in it. His continual delusions of being the Yankees Coach is troubling & even borderline sick from a GM. I can almost understand it from an owner, LOL!
TheStraw – Shifting already?
If that happened in any major corporation or small business, he would have been reprimanded instantly, and possibly terminated.
I don’t see the parallel between multimillionaire playing a kids game and your example. Sorry.
Then why are you bringing up corporations and punishment if you don’t like the corporate analogy? Get your story straight pal.
Posada is one of my favorite players…..he messed up, he apologized, and Im going to forgive him.
WCYF: Good point about the Yankees covering up personal or team matters when they want to, and going out of their way to publicize something when it fits their agenda.
Harmon Killebrew was an amazing player.
RIP Harmon
here’s a classic home run derby episode with mantle and killebrew:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/1669.....key-mantle
Pru-
Normally I agree with you, but the facts don’t back that up. Why did Jorge meet with the media at 4 and feign acceptance only to get mad two hours later. I don’t blame Cashman one bit here. If Andruw Jones did the same thing Jorge did, people would be calling for instant DFA. Also, Jorge’s timing could not have been worse as the team was on a 4 game losing streak. The lineup had already been posted—what was Cash supposed to do? Sit back and offer no explanation? Then he would be crucified for that.
Well the Yankees playing poorly the first quarter of a baseball season isn’t really a shocker. Doesn’t this happen basically every year. Same script same story. I was actually suprised this team didn’t spend a considerable amount of time under .500 in the last two months.
As the summer heats up so do the Yankees and it will be good enough to grab the WC spot at the very least.
Extremely frustrating right now as this losing streak continues, I’m about ready to break everything I see in sight. Mostly Soriano’s Face.
Thanks Randy! The reason the Yankees have been great is the greatness has been passed down from generation to generation. If you want to get rid of Posada & Jeter then so be it, but the team will suffer.
I personally like that Posada cares enough to confront the issue.
JackCurryYES Rays had massive roster turnover yet r 24-17. “Couldn’t ask for more at this point considering all the change,” said owner Stuart Sternberg
I guess people would have been happier to see Posada in tears at the plate striking out all day instead of taking himself out when his head wasn’t in the game.
JackCurryYES Posada will likely make 1st start 2nite since refusing to play Sat. He’s 8 for 27 off Shields. Wonder where Girardi will slot him in lineup
Irreverent-
The point is he is a highly paid employee and should do what his bosses ask him. Period. The same goes for the low paid guy who gets told to clean the washroom. He’s not the boss, either.
My position is perfectly clear. How you can’t understand that is beyond me.
TheStraw May 17th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
All players are equal, but some are more equal! LOL! Your reasoning has no merit. What if ARod popped off at Cashman! Do you fire him too? Or CC? Or Mo?
The players are normally treated fairly, but far from equal!
Straw – lineups get changed all the time after they are posted. There is nothing sacrosanct about posting a lineup. Get real.
“Why did Jorge meet with the media at 4 and feign acceptance only to get mad two hours later.”
The one thing I’m sure of is that you don’t know, and neither do I.
“If Andruw Jones did the same thing Jorge did, people would be calling for instant DFA.”
I wouldn’t, but even if I did Jones hasn’t given the Yanks (and me) what Jorge has.
“what was Cash supposed to do? Sit back and offer no explanation? ”
He could have easily spouted some cliche, it’s done all the time.
RIP Harmon!
Irreverent Discourse,
Then please enlighten me with your point
Randy,
I used to watch reruns of that show when I was a kid…..it was awesome. They can’t even get guys to be in the HR derby in the all star game these days.
“If Posada decides that batting under .200 isn’t for him and retires, is he “quitting on the team” or “stepping aside to allow the team to succeed”? ”
if posada really has PCS he can stop playing and still receive his full salary.
if he just quits , he gets nothing.
big difference.
if posada really doesn’t start hitting , he probably is still feeling problems from that last concussion in the fall. if it’s not going to go away for most of this season, he has a decision to make.
ID: people who post here get some kind of cruel enjoyment out of kicking guys when they are down. On the whole, and with some notable exceptions, few have any sense of history, baseball in general or the Yankees in particular, no appreciation for what a guy has done for the team for 15+ years, and see the world from game to game. If they win, and a guy is hitting (or pitching well), great. Otherwise, he should be benched/DFA’s/crucified.
TheStraw – And if something happens (be it demotion or home trouble or whatever) and Posada is not emotionally fit to play in the game… is he not responsible to tell Girardi that so he can be replaced with an effective player for that day? Would you rather he take his train wreck of emotions into the game, strikeout four times and then just complain about his performance, rather than his character?
Irreverent Discourse,
Still waiting for you to name all these players who refused to play because they didn’t like where they were batting
Home run derby was a good show.
I remember watching the re-runs of it as a child.
“I used to watch reruns of that show when I was a kid…..it was awesome.”
blake-
when i was a kid we never missed an episode.
we made a home run derby field and played home run derby whenever we couldn’t get enough players for a game.
an interstate highway was put in and their on ramp/exit fence was our home run derby fence.
we hardly ever hit cars
JackCurryYES Guess is Posada won’t bat 9th vs Shields. He’s 8 for 27 off him. Gardner is 1-11, Swisher is 5-23 and Granderson is 3-31 vs Shields
Niblick,
Sounds like you have the history issue since you have a problem with Girardi giving certain pitchers a personal catcher yet had no problem with Torre and every other manager doing the exact same thing
Triple – Still waiting for you to go read those posts again and “get it”. I don’t care that you don’t think any Yankee ever has sat a day because they got demoted in the lineup. If you believe that you are an idiot anyway.
It’s interesting that they people defending Jorge are also the people who are mostly in the camp that this season is not salvagable. It seems to me that you all want to make Cashman the scapegoat for the players failures.
The point is that ARod would not ever do that. Or CC. Or Mo. And I’m not advocating for Jorge to be released. I am merely defending the club’s actions.
Jorge is a great Yankee, no doubt. His apology was necessary, however. He is lucky they honored that and did not repimand him further due to his past contributions.
And who knows, maybe Binder Joe did do something to fan the flames. But that still doesn’t justify Jorge’s actions. And if you asked 100 Yankee fans if Jorge was wrong, I guarantee you 75-80 of them would agree that he was.
Meanwhile in other news the Royals are longing to play the Yankees again. They must be thinking after last night especially that those were the good old days.
Randy,
I did the same…..played a lot of grassline too which is loads of fun.
They should use the format from that HR derby show for the real Derby now. 10 outs is stupid.
So I guess Jorge the professional athlete is incapable of handling his emotions for being benched, yet a whole HS basketball team of kids can play a regional game two days after their best player died on the court. Please.
Niblick May 17th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
LOL! So true! But it is a fans (short for fanatics) rights to be so.
That is what has made LoHud very good in the past was informed FANS. The ones that tried to get rid of Cano, to dump Jeter before 2009, to get rid of ARod, to get someone to replace Mo, Hughes b4 2010, to get rid of Torre, & to dump Posada in 2007, 8, 9, 10 & 11 are just reactionary.
Give it time & patience not just McSpeaking! Cashman is really doing himself a disservice in his handling of Posada or lack thereof.
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Irreverent Discourse,
So the discussion has went the way of name calling. Stay classy
Randy, PCS is the troubling part of the Posada situation. I
“According to Yankee sources, Posada was told by the team that in addition to his fulltime DH duties, he should also be prepared to catch an occasional game or in emergency situations.
But sources claim that when Posada was asked to catch in a game in the spring, he declined, citing headaches and concern over the concussion syndrome he suffered after taking a foul ball off the mask the previous September.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....s_bat.html
RayVT-
It was handled acceptably. The proof is on the field. Lets see what they do if he goes another month at .165.
TheStraw May 17th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Pru-
Normally I agree with you, but the facts don’t back that up. Why did Jorge meet with the media at 4 and feign acceptance only to get mad two hours later. I don’t blame Cashman one bit here. If Andruw Jones did the same thing Jorge did, people would be calling for instant DFA. Also, Jorge’s timing could not have been worse as the team was on a 4 game losing streak. The lineup had already been posted—what was Cash supposed to do? Sit back and offer no explanation? Then he would be crucified for that.
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Straw, I would say the first was good little soldier doing the rote thing. Later came the visceral response. It’s called being human. People keep saying “If that were Jones,” or “if that were player X.” It’s NOT those guys; it’s POSADA. And before you say ‘he isn’t ABOVE the team,’ that’s not the point. He doesn’t think he’s ABOVE the team. The point is, it being Posada appears calculated. Which begs the question. WHY was this done?? Against Boston, with TWO games before a national audience?? As RayVT noted, Posada wasn’t exactly tanking his PAs. In fact, he got a solid hit in the previous game and was on for Martin’s 2-run HR. No one was hitting. Even Girardi said he thought Posada’s ABs were getting better. Does this add up?? He just gave the guy a vote of confidence.
Why would you choose to make an example of Jorge Posada, considering the context of how poorly everyone was hitting (except Grandy), on a national stage, against Boston??
Coincidence? I don’t think so & neither does he. Was it simply dropping a struggling hitter in the lineup? If you believe that, that is your prerogative. I don’t, he doesn’t, either.
Irreverent Discourse May 17th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
I agree it happens all the time. Some may say their back hurts or a muscle is strained, but it happens quite a bit.
“But sources claim that when Posada was asked to catch in a game in the spring, he declined,”
It would be interesting to know which side of the fence those “sources” were on.
“So I guess Jorge the professional athlete is incapable of handling his emotions for being benched, yet a whole HS basketball team of kids can play a regional game two days after their best player died on the court. Please.”
How is that relevant? I mean whoever has never been frustrated, overwhelmed, or done or said something stupid then feel free to cast the first stone at Jorge. I’ve done and said loads of dumb things in my life, he apologized for it….let’s all move on.
Sources and reporters tend to take the side of whoever talks to them most.
J. Alfred Prufrock May 17th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
You state it much better than I! Well said!
“Sources and reporters tend to take the side of whoever talks to them most.”
blake, that seems circular. So which side would that be?
The article was written by Bill Madden, so it’s easy to assume that his sources are team higher-ups.
Wave,
Depends on who is involved.
Well Cashman is human too. Maybe he didn’t take to well to one of his guys dropping f bombs at him.
There appears to be a basic statement by management (average to poor management that is) that they are not wrong or the problem. Teflon is a word that most in Management seem to aspire.
The great leaders are out front and honest. Not backstabbing cowards. Did you know that Gen George Washington was the 1st General to actually fight on the front lines? His troops were fleeing & the British were about to crush them & George rode up to the front lines leading his troops to follow suit. When his troops saw he was risking his life, they put their own lives on the line too. That is what true leaders do. Poor ones push buttons & treat workers like pawns.
Which type of leader was Cashman being?
These days the Yankee FO is talking to reporters a lot so sources and reporters like them.
This made me laugh: “The point is he is a highly paid employee and should do what his bosses ask him. Period.”
I wonder if all those guys at BP or Lehman Brothers would agree….
Anyway, more on topic, has anyone actually met any of the players at the small meet and greets before the games?
Ray – so, to keep to your analogy, what should Cashman do? Ask Girardi to bat him 9th?
RayVT May 17th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
J. Alfred Prufrock May 17th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
You state it much better than I! Well said!
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Dude, you 3 have been killin’ it. I’m just inspired by y’all!
I said I’m not in favor of releasing him. What part of that don’t you guys understand? I just think he was wrong. Maybe Cash was too, but Jorge was more wrong.
On the other hand, if he can’t prove in short time that he is capable of doing it on the field, he should retire or ask for his release. It has nothing to do with who he is and everything to do with roster construction. A DH who isn’t allowed to play the field and can’t hit is wasting a roster spot. You can’t say that about Jeter, Arod or Tex. Swish, maybe, if his fielding continues to be bad…
Speaking of which, interesting read in BP entitled “Brian Cashman, Loose Cannon:” (link below)
May 16, 2011
Prospectus Hit and Run
Brian Cashman, Loose Cannon
by Jay Jaffe
Things got very surreal in the Bronx this weekend. While the Yankees were going about their business of losing a season-high fourth game in a row on Saturday night—not to mention their third series out of four amid a 3-8 skid—general manager Brian Cashman took to the airwaves during the third inning via an interview with Fox’s Ken Rosenthal, then briefed the press corps at even greater length to further spin an emerging story. In doing so, he made an already bad situation worse, creating what was quite possibly the low moment of his 14-season tenure at the helm of the Yankees, while continuing a remarkable offensive against decorum that has to draw into question his long-term future with the team.
http://www.baseballprospectus......leid=13929
TheStraw May 17th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
I agree he is human too! But with his calculated measured background & grooming, I find it hard to understand his approach except as how it appears Posada took it. This was premeditated. In the old days Posada would have punched Cashman out. Someone said what if Posada had done that to Billy Martin! LOL! I ask, what would Billy Martin have done if they had done this to him. (Besides if Martin had gotten into a real fight with Reggie or Posada he would be lucky to still be alive afterwards.)
Someone in here the other day noted that there wasn’t so much as a peep as to why Eiland was dismissed. I thought that was a shrewd observation. If the Yankees don’t want you to know anything, you won’t.
Joe from Long Island May 17th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
IMO, Cashman if he really wanted to bat him 9th should have done so in the KC game. He should have had Girardi meet with him and discuss it & end of story. Posada would have taken it, not liked it, but would have manned up. But Cashman’s words on TV afterwards was a fireable offense in my book.
The Yankees need to do 2 things with Cashman 1) give him final say in all personnel moves 2) fit him with a muzzle…..or he can borrow Levine’s if it fits.
The front office loves Cash so the fact that BP is questioning his long term future with the club is nonsense
blake,
They won’t give him a muzzle since they want these things made public
I feel like Cash is just being treated the way all middle management is: Do the dirty work and take the hit when things go wrong, never get credit when things go right.
Triple,
Then they must enjoy creating turmoil and distractions for their own team then.
“But Cashman’s words on TV afterwards was a fireable offense in my book.”
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Cashman’s bosses asked him to appear on FOX and make that statement.
So, unless Jorge Posada has the power to fire Cashman he is not going anywhere.
Forget the angle about Cash’s long term future, the “loose cannon” aspect of this article is relevant. Cash went from being a calming, team-first, keep everything in house GM to being a loudmouth gossip and self-aggrandizer from the school of Hank Steinbrenner. I have always liked Cash and sympathized with the challenges he has faced by often having his hands tied and by not be able to conduct business as he sees fit, but his recent behavior reveals a sh*t disturber GM who doesn’t know when to keep his mouth shut.
If Cashman is being directing to say the things he does then what can you say……the higher ups need to rethink what they are trying to do here…..are they trying to win baseball games or are they trying to win some PR battle with their own players.
yankeefeminista May 17th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
WOW!! Thank-you for that link! That is exactly how I felt when I heard it. I truly believe Cashman’s days are numbered and rightly so.
Even if he was doing the duty of the owners on this, his screw up of doing it is unbelievable. Jeter saw straight thru this and outed Cashman. It is a funny thing about weak people, when they are outted they crumble. Some times it is just a matter of time before everyone else sees it as clearly! Right CR 9?
yankeefeminista May 17th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
I could not have said it better if I tried all day! Well stated!
Cashman’s going to move up stairs and either Eppler or Oppenheimer will be named GM.
Shame Spencer May 17th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
I feel like Cash is just being treated the way all middle management is: Do the dirty work and take the hit when things go wrong, never get credit when things go right.
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Cash is probably wriggling in his own right. How would everyone feel if the “order” came from Levine to drop Posada against that opponent, on that stage? He’s out of City Hall, after all.
Jorge dropped “F-bombs” on Cashman? Wow I thought they were singing Kumbaya in that meeting.
What Jorge did was a mistake and there’s no doubt in my mind that he’s aware of that and is sorry for it but the malice between them this season was borne from Cashman’s “Jorge’s a DH until he plays himself out of it” comment this past Winter.
It was unnecessary and if there’s a rift between some of the clubhouse and the front office then Cash is the main culprit in creating it.
For some reason Cashman decided to be a venomous a-hole last off-season. Was that his idea of motivation?
“Even if he was doing the duty of the owners on this, his screw up of doing it is unbelievable. Jeter saw straight thru this and outed Cashman. It is a funny thing about weak people, when they are outted they crumble. Some times it is just a matter of time before everyone else sees it as clearly! Right CR 9?”
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How did Jeter out Cashman?
Jeter’s awful play is proving to the owners that Cashman was right, once again.
blake,
I think the front office feelings are pretty similar to the way George felt about Torre. They feel that they have treated these players more then fair with their contracts and I guess they resented being held over a barrel in years and money with their last contracts.
Of course nobody held a gun to their heads to sign these deals but the backlash and fan reactions pretty much forced them to.
yankeefeminista May 17th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Forget the angle about Cash’s long term future, the “loose cannon” aspect of this article is relevant. Cash went from being a calming, team-first, keep everything in house GM to being a loudmouth gossip and self-aggrandizer from the school of Hank Steinbrenner. I have always liked Cash and sympathized with the challenges he has faced by often having his hands tied and by not be able to conduct business as he sees fit, but his recent behavior reveals a sh*t disturber GM who doesn’t know when to keep his mouth shut.
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There seem to be mini rebellions all over the place. Will this be catharsis for all? I’d like to think so.
Bronx Jeers . .
- Yanks and Cashman gave Posada the WHOLE winter and spring to get physically and mentally ready to become a full time DH !.
Sorry boss the club house problems fall on Pridefull players like Posada
who is jay jaffe? why is he important?
Prufrock – Its kinda funny you said that because I always see Levine as the villain in that front office, wielding immeasurable power. I could be totally off base of course.
Frankly, I think moving Posada in the line up was a top down decision and was based on a knee jerk reaction of losing a few games in a row. People need to remember the Front Office is still in transition. They’re trying to establish their role here. They don’t want to be seen as soft, with the old guard in the club house running the team. They may also be trying to prove a point to Cash regarding who is in charge. It could be any number of things.. but viewpoints of Posada not withstanding, this is definitely a top down situation.
The way upper middle management makes its way to success is being able to be above the fray and being classy about it.
Another example of stupidity on this level was when Dom Capers went public over Kerry Collins saying Kerry quit the team. Collins actually went behind closed doors to talk with Capers about a statement Capers made about Collins not being the guy at QB. So Collins said if you want to bench me then do it.
Capers went public like the control freak he is and said Collins quit the team. Of course the truth came out & Capers was later fired. Collins was cut that day & waived. Even if he had quit the team he could have been traded until old blubber mouth went public. Arrogance exceeds any brainpower.
Mike Ri May 17th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Welcome back Michael.
Frankly, I think moving Posada in the line up was a top down decision and was based on a knee jerk reaction of losing a few games in a row-
Shame –
A knee jerk reaction ? he was batting .165 and was 0-24 against lefties !. come on
haha . .nice to be back RayVT..
Is there a doubt as to who ultimately runs this team?
If so, see Soriano, R.
Mike Ri May 17th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
They moved him down against a righty I believe. As I said before he had 4+ hits in his last 4 games (> .300) and then they decided to move him to 9th. (If it was a lefty then Jones would have started.)
Bronx Jeers May 17th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Jorge dropped “F-bombs” on Cashman? Wow I thought they were singing Kumbaya in that meeting.
What Jorge did was a mistake and there’s no doubt in my mind that he’s aware of that and is sorry for it but the malice between them this season was borne from Cashman’s “Jorge’s a DH until he plays himself out of it” comment this past Winter.
It was unnecessary and if there’s a rift between some of the clubhouse and the front office then Cash is the main culprit in creating it.
For some reason Cashman decided to be a venomous a-hole last off-season. Was that his idea of motivation?
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Major undercut. Doesn’t exactly make you want to embrace your boss.
They moved him down against a righty I believe. As I said before he had 4+ hits in his last 4 games (> .300) and then they decided to move him to 9th. (If it was a lefty then Jones would have started.)
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All singles. He doesn’t have an XBH since May 2nd.
Triple Short of a Cycle May 17th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Irreverent Discourse,
Still waiting for you to name all these players who refused to play because they didn’t like where they were batting.
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Good one. LMAO !
Posada also clogs the bases up in front of Gardner whenever he is one base.
“Bernie Williams, reacted when manager Joe Torre penciled him in 9th in the lineup on April 13, 2005. It was a game against the Boston Red Sox in Fenway and Williams hadn’t batted 9th since July 2, 1995. Did Williams sulk or pout or take himself out of the lineup for being bumped down to 9th in the lineup? Hardly. When asked before the game how he thought about batting 9th, Williams responded, “It doesn’t really matter to me.’’ Batting a mere .143 with only one run batted in, Williams turned in one of the best games of the season, going 3- for-4, including a sixth inning solo shot off of Boston ace Curt Schilling to help the Yankees to a 5-2 win over their division rivals.”
http://www.billlucey.com/2011/.....g-9th.html
Mike Ri – That doesn’t change the fact that 8 of our other hitters are struggling, along with our bullpen, and, oh yea, everyone forgot how to play their positions properly. I believe our inexcusably awful defense is more responsible for our current losing streak than where Posada bats, but that’s irrelevant because my comments aren’t about the merits of moving Posada. They’re about the Front Office’s position.
Exactly, Jorge had all winter to sult over not catching. Seriously get over the ego and focus on hitting. He may not like this approach but at 71k per game at least he would stay healthy and be productive. So far he had only done the former.
I support posada but asking out of line up and then lying and having wife lie on her Facebook page ? Wow he tarnished image with me especially now with struggling offense. It’s true what Hal said he’s lucky to be in line up hitting .165.
RayVT
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I look at like this . .Joe is the Manager. .if he felt like it was in the best intrest of a struggling team to bat Posada 9th. than so be it…. As Manager his word and judgement are final ! .
Its like me coming into work and telling my Manager to go F off,,,, i dont’ feel like doing my work today. …. i’m not sure about you . .i’d be fired on the spot ….. If my Manager tells me to do something . . i have to do it .
Chain of Command .
Jon Heyman is a putz…. Ok, so Alex is in a bad period. How pathetic for he and his crony scout to judge him. Where’s the judgment on other slumping stars?
I still think Alex has it in him to have a monster year and I’m not going to say he’s merely good at this point – I don’t think that’s true.
Shame Spencer May 17th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Prufrock – Its kinda funny you said that because I always see Levine as the villain in that front office, wielding immeasurable power. I could be totally off base of course.
Frankly, I think moving Posada in the line up was a top down decision and was based on a knee jerk reaction of losing a few games in a row. People need to remember the Front Office is still in transition. They’re trying to establish their role here. They don’t want to be seen as soft, with the old guard in the club house running the team. They may also be trying to prove a point to Cash regarding who is in charge. It could be any number of things.. but viewpoints of Posada not withstanding, this is definitely a top down situation.
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Right, the thing smacks of orchestration. It wasn’t just dropping a guy who was struggling. It was a salvo at the player, whoever was in favor of firing it. Posada’s not stupid.
The problem is Cash is going to wait too long to make moves. Tex is on vacation until June-July and they should switch him and Cano in the order at least until Tex starts hitting. Cano has garbage batting behind him. They have to give Cano all of those rbi spots that Tex is getting instead of letting him pop up the 1st pitch in the infield.
Next move get Montero up here. Cash and organization have to stop liviong in the past and move on. If this is what Posada is now then cut this playing time and let Montero share DH with him. But they can’t keep hoping that these guys will tuen it around themselves without doing something.
Oh yeah.. that Bernie Williams, he really went out with a lotta class! (This is the same guy that still refuses to officially retire from the game, right?)
Making changes just to make changes is silly. Come on – Maxwell? Some other AAAAers who are at AAA are going to get this team out of it’s funk? I don’t think so.
BD, I’m no fan of Nunez – he’s got swiss cheese for a glove and he’s never going to be good enough hitter to overcome that. He’s failing at his job, which is to field the ball in the absence of the star he’s replacing.
However, I completely agree with you about Alex.
LGY May 17th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Posada also clogs the bases up in front of Gardner whenever he is one base.
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So does Thome, so does Dunn. What’s your point? If he’s clogging up the bases, that means he’s hitting & on base. I’ll take him clogging up the bases.
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I agree. Bat Cano third and Tex fifth.
Nunez has a solid glove and very good range. His issue is throwing the ball. Too much arm sometimes.
Betsy May 17th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
BD, I’m no fan of Nunez – he’s got swiss cheese for a glove and he’s never going to be good enough hitter to overcome that. He’s failing at his job, which is to field the ball in the absence of the star he’s replacing.
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Huh? Swiss cheese for a glove? His glove is really good. It’s his throwing that’s the problem. & he’s a good hitter.
I can’t say I’m very forgiving of Jorge…..and I still have no problem with Cashman.
Nunez also is a very good hitter, actually.
Bringing up AAA position players, outside of Montero, is not going to result in more wins. This group has to get it together. Bring up Montero, spot Nunez’s bat in and out and let’s go.
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I agree with that.
Why would anyone withhold forgiveness? Very strange.
Joe, he’s not important, lol
J Alfred, that’s semantics – he’s been awful in the field. I didn’t say he wasn’t potentially a good hitter, I said that he’s not good enough to overcome his awful fielding. It’s not like he’s going to be a star with the bat – he’s ok.
So does Thome, so does Dunn. What’s your point? If he’s clogging up the bases, that means he’s hitting & on base. I’ll take him clogging up the bases.
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Meaning that there are multiple reasons for batting him 9th beyond him being one of the worst hitters in baseball this year.
He has 2 XBH in May, so if he is going to just hit singles and walk he is better off behind Gardner.
LOL hardly, Yankeesfem – unlike some, I will not give him a pass on this.
Triple Short of a CycleMay 17th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Niblick,
?Girardi has never liked Jorge. Girardi has not treated Jorge particularly well, including allowing pitchers to opt for other catchers as their ?personal? catcher. Who runs the team, prima donna pitchers or the manager??
John Flaherty was the personal catcher for Randy Johnson under Joe Torre
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Who runs the team,girardi or posada?
Also there has to be a chain of command,you can’t have 50 people running the show.
I am a manager at my job & have 20 or so people under me & when i first got promoted,everybody wanted to be the boss.
What i realized very quickly is that,if you don’t control or manage a situation,it will control,manage you & it get’s very unorganized,then others people run all over you.
Thew key is to try to show respect.Hard sometimes.
On wfan,a writer or someone said posada originally saw the lineup,had no big problem with it,said it was his fault,he deserved to be dropped in the order & it was up to himself to play himself higher in the lineup.
Then he lost it.
I don’t know what happened but we all know how posada is so i believe he made a situation a lot worse than it had to be.
Girardi has to run a team in the biggest media market on the planet.
Cashman had it right by not wanting to give out crazy contracts to jeter,soriano,etc…
Posada is gone at the latest after this year,maybe before the year ends.
Jeters last few years are going to be ugly,maybe all 4 years,arod’s contract is an absolute disaster.
Actually, Nunez should eventually give you very solid offensive numbers from the SS position. Plus he has some pop.
Betsy May 17th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
BD, I’m no fan of Nunez – he’s got swiss cheese for a glove and he’s never going to be good enough hitter to overcome that. He’s failing at his job, which is to field the ball in the absence of the star he’s replacing.
However, I completely agree with you about Alex.
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Nunez had a good full year at SS last year. Let’s stop being reactionary and judging someone’s entire career potential over a very small number of games that he has played sporadically.
Betsy May 17th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
I can’t say I’m very forgiving of Jorge…..and I still have no problem with Cashman.
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That’s OK, there was a great outpouring from fans standing on their feet at Yankee Stadium letting Posada know that THEY “forgive” him & how they feel about him.
Kevin Kennedy just talked about how Martin tips pitches by his body position and bad technique to block AJ.
good post ron !
Meaning that there are multiple reasons for batting him 9th beyond him being one of the worst hitters in baseball this year.
He has 2 XBH in May, so if he is going to just hit singles and walk he is better off behind Gardner.
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If he’s in the swing of things, I want him getting more PAs than Brett Gardner. If he doesn’t resume hitting, he won’t be playing.
# RayVT May 17th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
yankeefeminista May 17th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
I could not have said it better if I tried all day! Well stated!
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Thank you! However, I would prefer that nothing divides this team, and I would hope that everyone has learned a lesson. Let’s just win some games now.
Well said Ron.
# Mike Ri May 17th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Bronx Jeers . .
- Yanks and Cashman gave Posada the WHOLE winter and spring to get physically and mentally ready to become a full time DH !.
Sorry boss the club house problems fall on Pridefull players like Posada
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And Posada is 100% responsible for his performance and for his absence om Sat night.
But it was Cashman that aired the dirty laundry. That’s been his MO lately. I’m just having trouble figuring out how it’s supposed to benefit the Yankee org.
Ok, so what J. Alfred? I didn’t ask anyone else to feel the same way – and their standing O for him doesn’t change my mind. If you want to get into an argument about this, do it with someone else.
If he’s in the swing of things, I want him getting more PAs than Brett Gardner. If he doesn’t resume hitting, he won’t be playing
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He’s not in the swing of things. Hence, him batting 9th.
Not everything is a conspiracy theory.
The Posada issue is over. He had one bad day and he apologized. His team mates are behind him, management accepted his apology as did the fans at the Stadium.
End of drama.
Kevin Kennedy just talked about how Martin tips pitches by his body position and bad technique to block AJ.
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I heard he starts humming “That’s Amore !” right before AJ delivers a meatball.
f you want to get into an argument about this, do it with someone else.
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no worries, I’m not in the least interested
Jeter said that Nunez’s problem is mental, Arod said his problem is that his arm strength is so strong that he has to learn to take some off when he throws instead of throwing 100 mph to 1st base. You would think it’s something he will improve on if given the right throwing motion that works for him.
Haven’t had time to read all the posts today but I’ve noticed a few people are questioning the mental toughness of this team, which I think we should all be doing. The only color pinstripe Burnett should be wearing is yellow; he’s a coward, plain and simple. When his team needed him to stay strong last night, he buckled at the knees. And for our hitters to make the next 12 outs without getting a man on base was almost as shameful. But if Burnett is a disgrace, I cannot find a word suitable to describe Soriano. He shouldn’t even have the shame to show his face in the clubhouse the way he has performed so far; that’s when he’s been fit to play. Who knows whether he’s really even injured. I have my doubts. Seems to be a sour-faced malingerer.
# J. Alfred Prufrock May 17th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Bringing up AAA position players, outside of Montero, is not going to result in more wins. This group has to get it together. Bring up Montero, spot Nunez’s bat in and out and let’s go.
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This. Any other AAA position moves would weaken the team.
J Alfred, that’s semantics – he’s been awful in the field.
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In the interest of accuracy, his glove is not swiss cheese. He’s got a very good glove, in reality. He also has a strong arm, but also a plant-&-throw problem, however. Hopefully this can be corrected.
Captain Clutch May 17th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Jeter said that Nunez’s problem is mental, Arod said his problem is that his arm strength is so strong that he has to learn to take some off when he throws instead of throwing 100 mph to 1st base. You would think it’s something he will improve on if given the right throwing motion that works for him.
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In AA he would sometimes really charge the ball when it wasn’t necessary. Yea he could take something off at times & get his footing straightened out.
Regarding Soriano. I cannot imagine any scenario where Jeter or Mariano would not address this with him. There is no way they will allow his comments about the offense to pass.
All the judgment being thrown around here.. about a guy none of you even know. Incredible.
I wish I was Posada and knew about this place. I’d come here, read the comments, and cry into all of my hundred dollar bills.
Again, maybe its just because I work in an office. A place where adult children cry and moan like we’re on a playground. The backstabbing, the jealousy, the nitpicking.. I can’t be the only person here who works in an environment full of crazy. And these are the little people.. the ‘regular’ people who operate without being held to unachievable standards.
Bronx, yes, that’s what he said, hah..
He also said Girardi pulled him too late.
Martin gets up on his haunches telegraphs a curve.
And blocks w his wrong lead leg..
Sounds good to me… Pena and G don’t see that stuff??
wish I was Posada and knew about this place. I?d come here, read the comments, and cry into all of my hundred dollar bills.
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Shame -
I wish your were Posada as well . . . maybe you’d have the common sense to RETIRE
Not everything is a conspiracy theory.
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non sequitur.
He’s a better hitter than Gardner (than a lot of people). I want the better hitter getting more PAs.
Good day all.
nothing wrong with the hitters they have they just have to start hitting with RISP….. Pitching I always thought was another thing with this team…I just don’t think it’s good enough..they won’t get 27 wins total from 3-4-5 guys they have now…where are all the W’s going to come from
Wow Soriano is such a clown. Can you imagine doing that? Few weeks ago he didnt want to talk to the media after his implosion in the 8th inning and now he is opening his mouth. Cashman knew that he was bad thats why he didnt want to sign him. During the summertime when he was with the Rays I read somewhere that Maddon was pulling his hair with this guy. He was telling the manager when he can use him. He is the Manny Ramirez of pitchers.
AJ is a better pitcher than last year. Martin has been really good for him, helping to settle him down so he doesn’t have the meltdown inning like he would last couple of years. Last night, well, it didn’t happen. Not every pitcher is going to come out of an outing clean, although with the way his stuff was, he should have been able to get out of it.
CC has been on and off so far, but I expect it to turn around. Hopefully Hughes’ issues get resolved and he can come back and have a stellar second half. I really don’t know how much longer the Yankees can count on Garcia and Colon, especially going into the second half.
The bats in the lineup are good enough to produce, but they just haven’t been doing it the last 3 weeks. Bringing up minor leaguers doesn’t solve anything.
Get today’s game and get something going.
Soriano was the same in ATL as he was in TB. No difference. Cashman knew what he was getting, which in addition to his asking price was why he didn’t want him.
The mental toughness on this team is gone.
Mental toughness, to me, is when you know you’re in a bat rut with the bat but you find a way to help the team by moving runners over, staying out of double plays and not making matters worse.
Tex and Swisher are two of the most mentally weak players we have. You can tell me all you want about their stats, but mentally every season they fall apart and look like guys who shouldn’t be in a major league lineup.
Neither of them are injured. They just can’t do the mental work to maximize their abilities with any kind of consistency.
We got a title out of both of them and for that we should be thankful, but they are not cornerstone players despite what their OPS appears to be at any given moment.
It’s a disgrace that we sit here and say, when Arod gets hot they’ll all get hot.
Why can’t Tex and Swisher, 2 healthy younger players, get hot? The calendar? The temperature? The towels in the hotel bathroom? What other excuses are we going to make for these two headcases.
I used to give Cano a lot of grief on here, but he fixed what was broken. He used to start ice cold and wait for the weather to heat up and not really start to hit until June/July. I’m not getting on him because I think he is giving it his all and the ball still jumps off his bat.
I haven’t seen a ball jump off of Tex or Swisher’s bat in quite some time unless we’re counting first pitching swinging pop ups as good contact.
I can’t imagine being Girardi and the guys in the front office watching these 2 supposed offensive talents in their primes pulling their usual disappearing act.
Jeter’s old. Arod’s hurt. Jorge’s cooked. Martin has done a fine job. Grandy is on an MVP race with Bautista and Agone. Gardner is showing signs of life.
Tex and Swisher are too way too talented guys to be pulling this pathetic nonsense.
I wish Girardi had enough bench options to give the two of them a few days off to clear their heads too.
Seems like everyone on this team, with a few rare excetions, are head cases,
nothing wrong with the hitters they have they just have to start hitting with RISP….. Pitching I always thought was another thing with this team…I just don’t think it’s good enough..they won’t get 27 wins total from 3-4-5 guys they have now…where are all the W’s going to come from
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Pitcher wins don’t matter.
Those guys are pitching more than well enough for this team. It’s not their fault the offense doesn’t give them any run support and the bullpen keeps blowing games.
G. Love seems to be very in tune with the mentality of the team. Do you read palms as well?
Shields in on a roll
4-1
2.08 era
51 K’s in 60 innings
2 CG
My biggest problem with Swish is that if you can’t hit, you better do a proper job fielding. Swisher just hasn’t been great at either. It seems like every game he’s out there and the ball is falling right in front of him.
ID,
No. I don’t read palms, but I do consult the bones.
Abe Peteraham ,
I could see all that as AJ must be hard to catch especiallywhen that curve is diving but it didn’t look like Fuld & Upton needed location on those pitches.
I see the Yankees signed LHP Pitcher Randy Flores (former Yankee 1997 Draft).
West Coast Yankee Fan May 17th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
The Posada issue is over. He had one bad day and he apologized. His team mates are behind him, management accepted his apology as did the fans at the Stadium.
End of drama.
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Funny how Posada owned it and admitted he made an error in judgement due to having a bad day. Then all the Cashman bashers when back under their rocks.
People really need to get off of the “unproductive” offense.
Runs scored last 10 games (5/6 – 5/16): 5 5 0 4 5 3 3 12 5 4
Average Runs: 4.6
Record: 3-7
Run scored 10 previous (4/26 – 5/5): 3 0 2 5 5 5 3 12 3 2
Average Runs: 4
Record: 5-5
Runs scored 10 prior to that (4/13 – 4/25): 0 6 15 6 5 6 5 3 6 7
Average Runs: 5.9
Record 7-5
Vineyard Yankee May 17th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
I have never been a Cashman basher until this. Perhaps this is meant as some boy genius of team vs management cohesiveness or something but Cashman’s actions are lower than a snake.
Shame Spencer May 17th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
So true. It’s about time for Swisher to attempt a couple of his dramatic sliding catches that are unnecessary most of the time and unsuccessful more often than not. He seems to lose his focus in an instant.
good point bronx,, a meatball is a meatball
Ooops, wasn’t done writing that…
Averaging 4.8 runs per game over the last 30 games. You are telling me that isn’t enough to win ballgames?
For the record a 5.9 run pace would be 900 runs over 162 games.
For all those who can’t seem to forgive posada….
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....too-051711
If 4.8 runs per game averaged is enough to win, why are they losing at a record pace over the past 3 weeks.
Could it be that the average is inflated by a couple of laffers mixed in with all the recent futility?
Then all the Cashman bashers when back under their rocks.
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Lot of the Cashman bashers likely went away, at least as it relates to this matter, when it was revealed that his bosses asked/told him to hold the impromptu presser Saturday night.
Vineyard – I don’t want him making dramatic catches.. any catches at all would be nice. He’s never been a great fielder, but without that 25 HR production he looks even worse. Hell if Nunez is arm is go good he over throws to first, why not see how he tracks fly balls!
RayVT May 17th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Cashman works for the Yankees 9management) he is not paid to be buddies with the players. Informing management and inquired with MLB about contractual obligations are his job.
On the other hand once Posada admitted his error and apologized, Management, Cashman and Girardi accepted it and moved forward hopefully with no side effects going forward.
G. Love – because your 3 week sample size only includes 20 games, and going 8-12 over any stretch is irrelevant to how a full baseball season works?
FWIW Swisher has a nearly even UZR (0.1) so he has not actually cost the team any more runs than he has saved in the field…
NYY626 – thanks for the link to that article. It seems that, to most of the posters on this blog, ballplayers are nothing but collections of statistics. It’s nice to see a different, more mature, perspective.
Credit where it’s due.
Francesa made a great point (really), at least imo.
When Posada wanted out of the lineup, Girardi or Cashman should have called Jeter in and let him handle it as the captain.
Swisher also plays next to a very fast Curtis Granderson so he never really has to make plays towards right-center, cutting down his rating. He’s just not as bad as it’s being made out here.
This Posada thing is being covered by the baseball press like it’s the bin Laden raid…Sheesh.
Yanks cant hit good pitching after the Bosox staff this weekend and now TB,Watch them tear up Balt and the Mets and everybody will be singing a happy tune…
Tom in NJ – Does that mean we’re going to find out Posada actually retired 10 years ago?
Shame Spencer May 17th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
I understand. More of a personal thing with me when he does that sliding crap in the middle of RF. You don’t need to slide to catch the ball or knock it down, just go all out to make the catch or play it on the hop. Without the 25 plus HR’s he looks less than ordinary. I am expecting better since he is in a contract year.
Francesa is spot on about Burnett. Great (and even good) pitchers don’t cough up a 5-1 lead when their team needs them to shut down the opposition and end a slump. “He couldn’t give it up quick enough.”
He’s just not as bad as it’s being made out here
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Agreed. He’s average. Nothing special, but far from disasterous.
PhilHughes65 Need a win tonight!
You tell ‘em, Phil.
NYY626 – Retire 46,
Was Posada having personal problems the whole 3 years when the joy of baseball was taken from him by evil Girardi or was this just a 1 time thing?
ID – I’m not exactly surprised by that. Maybe I’m just down on him because he makes silly faces and hasn’t hit this year.
bruceb,
Well thats what makes them great pitchers. Nobody said Burnett was a great pitcher
# Rich in NJ May 17th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Credit where it’s due.
Francesa made a great point (really), at least imo.
When Posada wanted out of the lineup, Girardi or Cashman should have called Jeter in and let him handle it as the captain.
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It would have put Jorge on the spot. He would have to tell his buddy that no only did he want out of the line-up….he wouldn’t off the team. It’s like a child explaining to his parents why he isn’t taking school seriously.
Francesa is spot on about Burnett. Great (and even good) pitchers don’t cough up a 5-1 lead when their team needs them to shut down the opposition and end a slump
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Burnett is only paid like a great pitcher.
Yanks cant hit good pitching after the Bosox staff this weekend and now TB,
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Don’t tell Granderson that. He can hit anybody right now.
NYY626-thanks for the link. I had seen something about that this morning. I thought the poor little guy was all done w/the surgeries!
Among 20 qualified RF (on fangraphs):
Swisher is tied for second in outfield assists.
Swisher has 0 errors.
Swisher has a 0.1 UZR this year (meaning he has not cost the team more runs than he has saved).
There are 9 OF’s with a worse UZR rating so far this year.
Swisher is in the top third in out of zone plays (these are plays he was not “supposed” to make).
Why is having a league average outfielder such a bad thing? That means that half the right fielders in the league are WORSE than he is…
Yes, he needs to hit. No, he is not playing any worse than usual.
People criticizing Cashman are simply failing or refusing to see things from both sides.
And I’m done trying to explain it to them.
We actually hit Lester and Price pretty well. We should have won both those games.
I wonder what Gardner thinks about all this pouting Posada did about batting 9th. He must be thinking what the heck Georgey I bat ninth all the time. lol
Triple Short of a Cycle May 17th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
bruceb,
Well thats what makes them great pitchers. Nobody said Burnett was a great pitcher
Clearly, he is not. But if the Yankees No. 2 pitcher can’t hold a 5-1 lead in the sixth inning then what hope is there for us this year?
When Posada wanted out of the lineup, Girardi or Cashman should have called Jeter in and let him handle it as the captain.
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Rich ,… Jeter should just run the team them . . Captain , Manager , GM . ..
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The offense has been dreadful from the 5th-9th innings of games this year. But let’s not forget one thing against 2 of the best pitchers in baseball they gave the starting pitcher a 4-1 lead against Lester and a 5-1 lead against Price. Obviously those pitchers weren’t hall of famers they were Garcia and AJ but you can’t put this whole thing on the offense. The starting pitchers have given up way too many homeruns recently. Also CC’s last 3 starts have been awful.
bruceb,
Well it was just one game and he has pitched much better than expected coming into that game. That being said he is a number 2 in name only. The hope for this year was for Burnett to return to form which he has, Hughes to be more of the first half guy of last year and tread water with the 4 and 5 slot until the deadline. In actuality the problem has been with the lineup and relief pitching outside of Mo
“Rich ,… Jeter should just run the team them . . Captain , Manager , GM . ..”
Or, you could use his position/status to do your dirty work for you.
# Against All Odds May 17th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
# Rich in NJ May 17th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Credit where it’s due.
Francesa made a great point (really), at least imo.
When Posada wanted out of the lineup, Girardi or Cashman should have called Jeter in and let him handle it as the captain.
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It would have put Jorge on the spot. He would have to tell his buddy that no only did he want out of the line-up….he wouldn’t off the team. It’s like a child explaining to his parents why he isn’t taking school seriously.
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There are a couple of reasons why doings something like this would make no sense but the most obvious might be: What the hell kind of message is this team sending to the ego of Derek Jeter by deferring to him on managerial decisions?! In what world would this be a good idea?
If the reasoning is to shame Posada into playing, I understand that. But setting that type of precedent is crazy.
Soriano is going on the DL.
Triple Short of a Cycle May 17th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
NYY626 – Retire 46,
Was Posada having personal problems the whole 3 years when the joy of baseball was taken from him by evil Girardi or was this just a 1 time thing?
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Well his son is almost 11, so this has been going on wayyyyyy before Girardi
Triple Short of a Cycle May 17th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
bruceb,
Well it was just one game and he has pitched much better than expected coming into that game. That being said he is a number 2 in name only. The hope for this year was for Burnett to return to form which he has, Hughes to be more of the first half guy of last year and tread water with the 4 and 5 slot until the deadline. In actuality the problem has been with the lineup and relief pitching outside of Mo
Burnett made an even better start to last season and then collapsed like a cheap tent. I’ll wager the same thing happens this year. The frightening thing for the Yankees is that they’ve been losing while the starting rotation has been over-performing. Imagine how many runs we will need to score when they pitch to their true level.
Chase May 17th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Soriano is going on the DL.
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The curse is lifted????
I think Teixera should consider remaking his LH swing this winter with Long. Its hard to argue with the success in his career but that swing isn’t designed to age well…..it worked for him when he was young, strong, and could have great timing. That timing is tougher to keep going as you age and start to decline physically….we may be starting to see a touch of that now.
Probably not something he can change in season but if he could eliminate some movement and shorten and flatten his swing plane then I think he would benefit from it both now and for the future.
“There are a couple of reasons why doings something like this would make no sense but the most obvious might be: What the hell kind of message is this team sending to the ego of Derek Jeter by deferring to him on managerial decisions?! In what world would this be a good idea?”
It puts Jeter on the spot. Either he tries to convince his friend/teammate not to abandon the team in an important game against the RS, or he exposes himself as someone who is unable to lead.
“Soriano is going on the DL.”
He has constructively been on it all season.
Girardi should not have deferred to Jeter, managing the players is not his job.
This captain thing gets so much media play… The captains job is to smile, deliver the company line in interviews and stay out of trouble. Jeter may be the public “face of the franchise”, but every ounce of me believes Posada has been the (sometimes not so) silent leader of this team for the last 15 years.
They should have made Posada eat hemlock. He, like Socrates, would have accepted his fate due to his old age.
“Girardi should not have deferred to Jeter, managing the players is not his job.”
Jeter could have been directed to get Posada to play.
bruceb – If you assume Burnett is destined to “fold” again… Is Rothschild going to be quitting soon?
Or do you assume that the pitching coach leaving the week before the beginning of Burnett’s implosion last year had no impact on him? That’s just a coincidence?
Soriano is going on the DL.
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Link?
It’s probable but I don’t see any announcement from anybody.
if a guy doesnt want to play and is stinking up the joint, why try to shame him into playing,,,give him the day off, drink the hemlock, and have a nice day….it makes good drama i guess…
Swisher’s defense is fine as long as he is hitting.
If he is not going to hit, they could have much better D out there.
Rich – Why does Posada have to be forced to play? If he doesn’t feel up to it, it’s the managers job to find someone who is… not to force him into the lineup. I think Posada taking himself out of the lineup was the right thing. He shouldn’t have to bat 9th. Batting your DH 9th is a completely stupid misuse of the position. You have to have SOME player hitting better than your worst hitting fielder… if it comes down to your DH batting 9th you either have the greatest team ever assembled or you need a new DH. Plain and simple.
A “captain” should be sent to players to find out how they can be helped when a manager can’t reach them. It’s not an authoritative position. Making mandates against other players under equal contracts is a quick way to divide a clubhouse. Then you’ll see losing like you haven’t experienced in nearly a generation.
# Shame Spencer May 17th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
# Against All Odds May 17th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
# Rich in NJ May 17th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Credit where it’s due.
Francesa made a great point (really), at least imo.
When Posada wanted out of the lineup, Girardi or Cashman should have called Jeter in and let him handle it as the captain.
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It would have put Jorge on the spot. He would have to tell his buddy that no only did he want out of the line-up….he wouldn’t off the team. It’s like a child explaining to his parents why he isn’t taking school seriously.
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There are a couple of reasons why doings something like this would make no sense but the most obvious might be: What the hell kind of message is this team sending to the ego of Derek Jeter by deferring to him on managerial decisions?! In what world would this be a good idea?
If the reasoning is to shame Posada into playing, I understand that. But setting that type of precedent is crazy.
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That’s the point to shame Posada. If you’re going to quit on the team at this time of the yr quit in front of the Captain.
“It puts Jeter on the spot. Either he tries to convince his friend/teammate not to abandon the team in an important game against the RS, or he exposes himself as someone who is unable to lead.”
…. and this solves what problems, exactly? I’m not trying to be sarcastic Rich, I’m really asking what everyone thinks the results of this would be.
Trying to “shame” Posada is such a ridiculous concept. It’s pretty public knowledge that he is one of the proudest players in the majors. Proud and stubborn to a fault some would say.
Trust me, his performance is taking care of the shame to great deal. Piling it on isn’t going to help anyone.
Irreverent Discourse,
So basically what you are saying is players should dictate where they bat in the order? If a player doesn’t like it then they should sit out?
When Posada wanted out of the lineup, Girardi or Cashman should have called Jeter in and let him handle it as the captain.
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Really?
Half of me thinks it was Jeter that urged him to sit out. Jorge did seem fine with it at first.
Jeers,
The million dollar question is what riled Jorge up after he told the media he was fine with hitting 9th and understood the choice.
I would tend to lean towards his wife riling him up. I know mine constantly tells me to fire my agents and manager all the time when I have a bad phone call meeting with them, lol.
“Half of me thinks it was Jeter that urged him to sit out. Jorge did seem fine with it at first.”
I think Jeter is given too much of a free-pass on too many issues by too many fans, but I would never question his will to win, and refusing to play out of pique would seem to run counter to that.
“Trying to “shame” Posada is such a ridiculous concept. It’s pretty public knowledge that he is one of the proudest players in the majors. Proud and stubborn to a fault some would say.”
“Shame” is a strawman. It’s about pride and being a good teammate.
Triple – No that’s not what I said at all. I said was that if you have to move the player you have playing DH to the 9 spot because of a lack of performance, that player should not be your DH. Posada taking himself out doesn’t exhibit his willingness to accept that, but from a team standpoint its the right move anyway.
The wrong move was moving Posada to the 9 spot to begin with.
Everyone’s just throwin my name around like its garbage on here
OTL is doing a whole show on Posadagate……yay (sarcasm) at least the focus is where it should be and not on winning a game.
“Soriano is going on the DL.”
Beginning of a win streak?
JackCurryYES Just spoke to Kevin Long by phone about Yankee offense. Will discuss what he said on pregame at 6 w @boblorenz, @Flash17YES and @YESKimJones
Everyone’s just throwin my name around like its garbage on here
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Now you know how I feel when everyone is throwing around kneejerks!
In the end Posada overreacted. Should he have started dropping f bombs and whatnot? No, he shouldn’t have. But maybe the organization should have reconized that Jorge’s actions were, most likely, made in frustration and he ‘needed a day’ to clear his head. Instead the organization overracted too. This whole situation was handled poorly by everyone.
Irreverent Discourse May 17th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
bruceb – If you assume Burnett is destined to “fold” again… Is Rothschild going to be quitting soon?
Or do you assume that the pitching coach leaving the week before the beginning of Burnett’s implosion last year had no impact on him? That’s just a coincidence?
Absolutely no impact whatsoever. AJ Burnett is a 34-year-old grown man who has been pitching in the Majors for 12 seasons. I’m sure it wouldn’t matter one jot who his pitching coach is. As G.Love posted earlier, he is mentally weak. As soon the slightest thing goes wrong for him, he spits the dummy out. And in any case, if you applied your same reasoning to the batting lineup, how could they be struggling night-in and night-out with Kevin Long as their coach?
Proctor is pitching for the Braves right now…Memories….
I agree that Posada shouldn’t be the DH. The problem is if you bring up Montero you have to cut Posada and they aren’t ready to do that yet. Maybe next month they will
PS: Larry Rothschild might know a thing or two about pitching mechanics but not even Sigmund Freud would be able to fix what’s in his head.
Team needs to get a winning streak on so everyone can forget about this junk
Burnett’s head, that is.
bruceb – because they are not, in fact, struggling? sure some of them are getting off to slow starts… but as a whole, “struggling” is a tough case to sell for the team that is still averaging 5 runs per game (4th in baseball).
Bronx Jeers May 17th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Really?
Half of me thinks it was Jeter that urged him to sit out. Jorge did seem fine with it at first.
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I have to admit, as sick as I am of the whole thing at this point (everybody overreacted, everybody apologized that needed to, yada yada) a part of me does wonder what exactly happened between him meeting with the media (and being accepting of the lineup) and going into Girardi’s office.
Jerkface May 17th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Team needs to get a winning streak on so everyone can forget about this junk
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absolutely
The losing caused the junk in the first place.
Wait…. can someone explain the F-bomb thing?
I don’t come to the blog during games or on weekends that often, so I think I missed this particular part of the Jorgie saga.
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Irreverent Discourse…you seem to take great delight in arguing that black is blue. “Slow starts”??? Surely you jest? With the notable exception of Curtis Granderson, this team is going through a collective struggle the like of which I haven’t seen since I moved to this country in 2004. Even a blind man could see that.
bruceb – so burnett showing up one day with a black eye is totally normal… external issues could never effect someones performance… right john lackey?
and pitching coaches never had an impact on anyone, because they are all pro’s, right dave duncan? who obviously had nothing to do with completely turning around a 42-year old john smoltz after he was cut by the redsox because he was tipping his pitches? he’s 42, obviously he knew what he was doing!
bruceb – no, a blind man would only see the Yankees struggles and not realize that offense across the league is down right now… and the team you are complaining about is still leading the league in it.
Shame, take it for what it’s worth:
In the heat of his anger and frustration Saturday night, Yankee icon Jorge Posada told general manager Brian Cashman amid a flood of F-bombs that he not only wanted out of the No. 9 spot in the Yankee batting order – he wanted out of the Yankees, too, according to team sources.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....s_bat.html
The million dollar question is what riled Jorge up after he told the media he was fine with hitting 9th and understood the choice.
I would tend to lean towards his wife riling him up.
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That’s certainly possible too. And of course Jorge could have just sat and stewed over it until the lid blew off.
Sherman just posted an article that illustrates the the “toxic brew” that apparently exists between Jeter/Posada and Girardi/Cashman.
I get the tension with Cashman. Girardi not so much as he’s done nothing but try and keep things in-house and protect his players. Even Sat night he bent over backwards to remove heat from Posada.
Also early in the season when things were going good I thought I noticed a small “transfer of power” in the clubhouse. Alex seemed to be acting as spokesman and taking more of a leadership role. Now we don’t hear a peep from him. I just wonder if the clubhouse is much more of a mess than we realize. Obviously the Jeter book hasn’t done anything to help the situation.
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‘A lefty, but no lineup’.
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‘A lefty, but no lineup’.
Forget it. LOL !