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Posada starting at first

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 19, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Right now the posted lineup and roster suggest no player move will be made today. Dickerson and Noesi are both listed as active players.

Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira DH
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Russell Martin C
Jorge Posada 1B
Nick Swisher RF
Brett Gardner LF

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421 Responses to “Posada starting at first”

  1. Erin May 19th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Rich-thanks for the link.

  2. Erin May 19th, 2011 at 4:23 pm

    benshpigel So, on posada’s 1st day in the field of 2011, at 1b, yankees aren’t taking batting practice outside. Which means no infield practice. Hmm.

  3. Warning Track Power May 19th, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    in the last 3 games(including today), Posada has not been listed as the DH.
    sign of the times.

    i guess Tex should get a 1/2 day off because of the long game last night.
    both Jeter and ARod recently had the luxury of a 1/2 day off.

    *** Are the Yankees waiting on making a roster move until they return to NY???

  4. Joe from Long Island May 19th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    I’d be a little surprised if Dickerson wasn’t placed on that 7-day dl. But, if he was admitted to the U. Maryland, as reported, then he must have had a full workup, and been cleared to play. I be very surprised if the Yankees weren’t conservative in this regard.

    Posada at first, huh? I can see Tex getting a day at dh, but I’d have thought Swish would be the first backup. I wonder if that gets back to not having a better option at OF.

  5. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Randy,

    Have you ever hit groundballs to Posada!?

  6. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    I hope Montero is taking balls at 1B at SWB.

  7. Nick in SF May 19th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Wait a second…. Tex gets a DH day and Girardi thinks he can just stick an ex-catcher at first base????

  8. Joe from Long Island May 19th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    And, given that Martin caught almost a full game anyway, yesterday, I was guessing that Cervelli would go again.

    Shows you what I know…..

  9. DaSaint007 May 19th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Posada @ 1B?
    Guess Joe didn’t want Nunez in RF and Swisher @ 1B.
    Would have preferred to see Posada C, but not I guess not for CC.

  10. upstate kate May 19th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    seems like a strange move

  11. hardwired7 May 19th, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Hopefully Jorge is OK w/this…don’t need another meltdown.

  12. Nick in SF May 19th, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    Underhanded bean counter plot to further anger/humiliate Jorge???? :mad:

  13. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    I hope Montero is taking balls at 1B at SWB.

    ——–

    Hey Rich,

    How about we find out if Montero can be a major league catcher before moving him to 1B, ok??

    /randy’d

  14. Warning Track Power May 19th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    upstate kate May 19th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
    seems like a strange move
    **********************************
    the more i think about it, the more i understand that Girardi had limited options
    based on not having Dickerson available tonight

    i believe that Posada at 1b is a better defensive option then Nunez in RF/Swisher at 1b.
    also, Tex played all 15 last night. its his turn to get 1/2 a game off as the DH

  15. MoRings42 May 19th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Why not just give Tex a real day off? It’s silly to have him in the game as a DH and Jorge at 1b

  16. Erin May 19th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    YankeesPR Will be Posada’s 16th career start at 1B, first since 7/10/08

  17. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    Unbelievable that they are moving a 38 year old with limited experience to the hardest position on the diamond.

  18. SoS May 19th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    How do i repost a comment from the previous thread??

    ========

    luis,
    YOU can do one of two things that i do.
    1. memorize it verbatum and type it on the next thread.
    2. proof read it and take out what you dont like adlib the rest.
    or 3. do what gb7 does. dont proof read it and add a couple more misspelled words to it.

  19. Nick in SF May 19th, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    I wonder if Girardi was tested for cuncussions before he became manager.

    One day they’ll look inside the binder and find the whole thing is a repitition of “All work and no play make Binder Joe something something.”

    Go crazy?

    Don’t mind if I do!!!

  20. Jetrer May 19th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Its not like Posada has never played first base before.

  21. MoRings42 May 19th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Brett Gardner is hitting .347 the past 28 days and he has him 9th.. love it lol

  22. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    You guys are still sensitive about that 1B conversation huh… sad.

  23. DaSaint007 May 19th, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Let’s see….Posada has 16 career starts @ 1B, and how many years as C?

  24. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Ignore the fact that Posada was an infielder before he was a catcher. Don’t worry, I won’t tell.

  25. Jetrer May 19th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    Unbelievable that they are moving a 38 year old with limited experience to the hardest position on the diamond.

    —————————————————————–
    How is first base the hardest postition on the diamond??

  26. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    How is first base the hardest postition on the diamond??

    Well you see ground balls and footwork because

  27. Warning Track Power May 19th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Kay just said the tarp is on the field right now :(

  28. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Ignore the fact that Posada was an infielder before he was a catcher. Don’t worry, I won’t tell.

    Its far easier to simply range to a ball, catch it in your glove, and throw it to one place on the field, than have to stand in place and field balls coming at multiple angles. Seems like someone is a little sensitive about people taking the piss at their silly little 1st base conversation yesterday.

  29. SoS May 19th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    I know there is a rule for hitters wearing bond like elbow pads at the plate. But is there a rule against wearing a catchers gear at first base?

  30. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    I know there is a rule for hitters wearing bond like elbow pads at the plate. But is there a rule against wearing a catchers gear at first base?

    I want to see Swisher in full samurai armor patrolling right field.

  31. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Underhanded bean counter plot to further anger/humiliate Jorge???? :mad:

    ——————

    Against the Orioles, no less. A division rival! And on regional television! I can’t think of anything more embarrassing.

    The tyrannical forces of management are out to get Jorge as the mindless fanboys cheer on blinded by the shimmering light.

    One thing is clear, Joseph Girardi is no numinous genius!

  32. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    jerkface just because you never shut up bout anything doesn’t make you right. you were wrong yesterday, and you are still wrong now.

  33. MoRings42 May 19th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Brett Gardner needs to throw a hissy fit.. he has a .429 OBP over the last 25 games and he’s batting 9th.

    Meanwhile, our leadoff guy has a .324 OBP over the last 23 games.

  34. luis May 19th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    SoS May 19th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
    How do i repost a comment from the previous thread??

    ========

    luis,
    YOU can do one of two things that i do.
    1. memorize it verbatum and type it on the next thread.
    2. proof read it and take out what you dont like adlib the rest.
    or 3. do what gb7 does. dont proof read it and add a couple more misspelled words to it

    ———————————-

    LOL, I rather take number three since i have very limited vocabulary

  35. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    LGY

    Given that Cervelli is in the ML and he is not a ML catcher, I think it’s a reasonable idea.

  36. Erin May 19th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
    I know there is a rule for hitters wearing bond like elbow pads at the plate. But is there a rule against wearing a catchers gear at first base?

    ?

    I want to see Swisher in full samurai armor patrolling right field.

    **************************

    :lol:

  37. GreenBeret7 May 19th, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    DaSaint007 May 19th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
    Hey GB. Little Simon has 1/2 year @ SS under his belt already.

    Does Noesi get sent back down? Would like to see Phelps.
    Does Dickerson go to the DL? If so, would like to see Maxwell.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-
    Simon, that’s great news about our shortstop,. Unfortunately, he still needs a booster seat and a Tommy Tippit to drink his milk out of. He should just about be the right size when Jeter retires.

    Hope all is going well with you and Mrs. Templar, Simon.

    Phelps has gotten roughed up the last couple of starts…..as has Warren. Not terrible, but, still learning. Mitchell may be the next pitching call up

  38. hardwired7 May 19th, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Man, what I wouldn’t give to see someone try charge the mound after one “gets away” from CC tonight.

  39. GreenBeret7 May 19th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    In Simon Jr’s case. SS means Gerber’s Strained Squash

  40. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    jerkface just because you never shut up bout anything doesn’t make you right. you were wrong yesterday, and you are still wrong now.

    I can’t hear you over the sound the adam dunn being moved to first base from the outfield. Maybe he was actually so good at OF that they promoted him to the toughest position on the field?

  41. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    jerkface – no one said it was the toughest position on the field. thats you twisting the conversation to fit your trollish needs.

  42. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    What were you wrong about, Face?

  43. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    second easiest sounds alot like toughest, it’s even pronounced the same way! sigh…

  44. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    I’m joking about it, but you have proved that you are still really sensitive about the whole thing.

  45. GreenBeret7 May 19th, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    What they need to do is stop allowing these players to wear their uniform pants draped over their shoes and dragging the ground, because that’s what Swisher looked like he caught his spikes on last nigh….his pants leg…not wet turf.

  46. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Given that Cervelli is in the ML and he is not a ML catcher, I think it’s a reasonable idea.

    ———————

    But, one time I knew a fellow who was a bullpen coach. I told him let’s find out if you can be a 1B coach. I hit groundballs to him and he couldn’t field them! I think that’s how the story goes…

    (Montero takes grounders at 1B routinely fyi. I believe all catchers in the Yankee system do)

  47. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    What were you wrong about, Face?

    I was wrong that 1st base isn’t the easiest on the defensive spectrum. Apparently.

  48. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    I’m sorry I can’t hear you over the groans of how terrible Dunn is at 1st base…

    “I’m joking about it” sounds alot like “i’ll never admit i was wrong and I’ll try to deflect that by mocking you”.

  49. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    second easiest sounds alot like toughest, it’s even pronounced the same way! sigh…

    Not everything is about you.

  50. GreenBeret7 May 19th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    And they moved Dunn off of first base because he was worse there than in the outfield.

  51. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    I thought Montero playing first was yesterday’s stupid argument. Surely there’s a new stupid argument to beat to death.

  52. Laura - I Bleed Blue May 19th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Posada’s hissy fit seems to have worked. He hasn’t been penciled in at 9th since it happened. This pretty much guarantees that Jeter will never be moved down in the lineup.

  53. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    If Posada can play 1B, then having Montero available to do the same on occasion is a brilliant idea.

  54. G-C May 19th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Like the idea of getting Posada some reps in the field.

    Keeps him involved and I think it could help his bat continue to creep towards the Mendoza line.

    For the first time nearly all season, I am fully on board with something Girardi is doing.

  55. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Or at least it would be brilliant if it wasn’t so obvious.

  56. Captain Clutch May 19th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    This move seems like a I have to get Posada in the lineup so he doesn’t throw another fit but Tex could use a day at DH. Would it really be so bad to let Posada just catch tonight?? 7 days a week obviously you don’t want Posada’s defense behind the plate but 1 day every so often isn’t going to kill them.

  57. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    If Posada can play 1B, then having Montero available to do the same on occasion is a brilliant idea.

    Giving a player versatility is stupid, Montero is only valuable if you cram all of his plate appearaces in at catcher.

  58. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    “This pretty much guarantees that Jeter will never be moved down in the lineup.”

    I think I’m ok with that if they PH for him in big spots.

  59. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Hyperbole makes points. Seriously.

  60. Erin May 19th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Rich in NJ May 19th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
    ?This pretty much guarantees that Jeter will never be moved down in the lineup.?

    I think I?m ok with that if they PH for him in big spots.

    ***********************
    I can only imagine how that would go over. #notpretty ;)

  61. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    If Posada can play 1B, then having Montero available to do the same on occasion is a brilliant idea.

    —————

    1B is too difficult for Montero to play once in a while.

    Better off trading him instead of cramming him into the lineup.

  62. DaSaint007 May 19th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
    Ignore the fact that Posada was an infielder before he was a catcher. Don’t worry, I won’t tell
    ——————————–
    And I was a 2B and ran in the Penn Relays while in HS.
    Neither memory serves me now as I try to do either.

  63. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    It’s amazing either of you has enough time to come up for air.

  64. DocTodd May 19th, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    At least Swisher is no longer batting sixth….he belongs way down in the order..if not on the bench…personally I’d rather see Noonie in RF.

  65. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    DaSaint – You also learned to tie your shoes a long time ago, do you remember how to do that?

  66. SoS May 19th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Posada’s hissy fit seems to have worked. He hasn’t been penciled in at 9th since it happened. This pretty much guarantees that Jeter will never be moved down in the lineup.

    ========

    Laura,
    Good point. I was thinking the same thing. Does this mean that Posada is no longer in TIMEOUT? Is that all it takes to get immunity? It reminds me of when a kid is bad and you reach to grad their hand and they do that dead weight act. Now your stuck using them as a broom in a grocery store. Posadas weight was to great to drag. So they gave him the toy and candy he was wining about.

  67. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    DaSaint – You also learned to tie your shoes a long time ago, do you remember how to do that?

    ——————

    Are you saying playing 1B is as easy as tying your shoes?

    Oh man, Montero has gotta be really dumb if he can’t play first.

  68. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    DaSaint – You also learned to tie your shoes a long time ago, do you remember how to do that?

    So Posada plays on the infield every day of his life??? Good analogy, bro! Lohud Analogy will join Lohud Fallacy as one of my favorite things.

  69. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    “I can only imagine how that would go over. #notpretty ”

    #winning #Sheen

  70. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    LGY – If that’s all you’ve got, keep it to yourself.

  71. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    jerkface – sorry, still can’t hear you over people boo’ing Dunn at first base.

  72. jacksquat May 19th, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Rich in NJ May 19th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
    “This pretty much guarantees that Jeter will never be moved down in the lineup.”

    I think I’m ok with that if they PH for him in big spots.

    I think there is about equal likelihood of either happening…

  73. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Playing Jorge at first makes sense to me. It might even happen one more time this year. I think we should all get really mad at each other debating whether Jorge or Montero should get that opportunity.

  74. DaSaint007 May 19th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    ID, there’s a reason I like velcro.

    GB, all is well with the Simon trio, thx. Ms. Simon continues to threaten me with making this a quad. Get ready for a 3B sometime in the near future, I guess.

  75. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    jerkface – sorry, still can’t hear you over people boo’ing Dunn at first base.

    If you’re deafened by that, I can’t imagine you were ever at a game where he played the outfield. Where his UZR was 20 runs worse.

  76. Captain Clutch May 19th, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    So is Guthrie hitting people, sorry I mean pitching tonight?

  77. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    WYh – I don’t care if either of them play first base. No one said they can’t. jerkface and LGY are just too enamored with hearing themselves talk.

  78. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Playing Jorge at first makes sense to me.

    Positional versatility should be embraced and accepted as it is for the good of the team.

  79. GreenBeret7 May 19th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Teixeira gets a defensive break tonight and still keep his bat in the line-up. Makes no sense in weakening two defensive spots by sitting Swisher and putting Nunez in right or putting the indifferent Andruw Jones in the line-up.

  80. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    jerkface – you mean his UZR at a position that actually records it properly gave a better indication of how bad he was in the field? weird!

  81. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    “I think there is about equal likelihood of either happening…”

    Prufrock, who is as about as big a Jeter fan as there is, said on a prior thread that he even thought that Posada should have PH for Jeter late in the game last night, but for the 3rd catcher issues.

    The time is quickly approaching, barring a turnaround, which I would LOVE to see, but…

  82. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    ” I think we should all get really mad at each other debating whether Jorge or Montero should get that opportunity.”

    Why or?

  83. randy l. May 19th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    i’m not sure what i think of posada at first base . i don’t think i would do it unless there’s an emergency.

    there’s no problem with the 6’5 ” montero being a first baseman except that the yankees have a first baseman signed for big bucks and for quite a while. and i don’t see the yankees giving montero games at first down in scranton, so obviously the yankees brass isn’t very interested in lgy’s and jerkface’s idea of having montero play some first base.

    i am however a little more interested in seeing him come up and catch which is what he’s been training his whole life to do.

    call me crazy, but i unlike the sabre twinsies i think of montero as a catcher .

  84. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    jerkface – you mean his UZR at a position that actually records it properly gave a better indication of how bad he was in the field? weird!

    You’re right, so Adam Dunn must not be as bad at first as you think since UZR doesn’t calculate it properly and even rates guys like Teixeira negative. What we do know is for the 2000-2010 Dunn is only behind Vlad in errors in the outfield. With 400 less putouts and 40 less assists.

  85. GreenBeret7 May 19th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Simon, could you try to make it a power hitting, switch hitting third baseman with speed and a left handed starter, too. Twins or triplets would be helpful. None of those girly things, either. They’re great to look at, but, they don’t throw very well.

  86. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    “Why or?”

    ?

  87. randy l. May 19th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    “Positional versatility should be embraced and accepted as it is for the good of the team.”]

    alex would make a very good first baseman. he’d only take a few weeks to convert too.

  88. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    there’s no problem with the 6’5 ” montero being a first baseman except that the yankees have a first baseman signed for big bucks and for quite a while. and i don’t see the yankees giving montero games at first down in scranton, so obviously the yankees brass isn’t very interested in lgy’s and jerkface’s idea of having montero play some first base.

    i am however a little more interested in seeing him come up and catch which is what he’s been training his whole life to do.

    call me crazy, but i unlike the sabre twinsies i think of montero as a catcher .

    All yankee catchers take reps at 1st. Montero can do more than 1 thing. To begin his career, Montero will be a backup catcher most likely, and he should play as many games as possible. When he is a real catcher, he should also play as many games as possible. Some of us think Montero can succeed and what he puts his mind too, its a shame you’re so down on him.

  89. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    jerkface – Or UZR at 1B is meaningless and it requires more than that to determine a good 1Bman. Range != fielding. It’s just part of it.

  90. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    alex would make a very good first baseman. he’d only take a few weeks to convert too.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing Alex take some reps at 1st if we had a third baseman good enough to warrant the rotation.

  91. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Now that I think about it, I don’t like the combination of CC on the mound and Jorge at first.

  92. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Wave Your

    “?”

    Why can’t both be prepared to play 1B when the situation arises?

  93. GreenBeret7 May 19th, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Why is it that the only ones that say Montero can’t catch are writers that have never seen him or team scouts that will do and say anything to lower his value just to try getting that bat cheaper? frankie Pilere seems to think that at worst he’d be no worse defensively than Piazza, except that Montero can throw.

  94. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    “Why can’t both be prepared to play 1B when the situation arises?”

    You mean the one time this year it does?

  95. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    You mean the one time this year it does?

    Sometimes a player is so good they force their way into the lineup. I’d like to think Montero could be that guy.

  96. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    frankie Pilere seems to think that at worst he’d be no worse defensively than Piazza, except that Montero can throw.

    Piliere and Cashman have both said he can catch *now*. Cashman said before 2010 that he was already better than some catchers in the majors that year.

  97. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    “Sometimes a player is so good they force their way into the lineup. I’d like to think Montero could be that guy.”

    Sure. Tex to the bench? Seems extreme.

  98. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    randy,

    Why do you want Montero out of the lineup for 30+ games a year?

    Do you not believe in his bat?

    I guess it takes a saber guy to see how much Montero could mash :(

  99. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    CC + Jorge is certainly begging for a lot of bunts down the 1B line.

  100. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Sure. Tex to the bench? Seems extreme.

    More half days for Tex. He doesn’t have to play 40 games at 1st, but if they want to have 1st an option for Montero in the future they should give him some games there.

  101. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    “CC + Jorge is certainly begging for a lot of bunts down the 1B line.”

    Tex always makes the play unassisted so CC doesn’t have to cover first. I’m not sure Jorge can do that.

  102. joeman May 19th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    want to see how easy it is to play 1st base watch Jorge in action tonight….the ball always finds the weak spot

  103. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    saber guys should understand replacement value, and not ignore it because you want a prospect to come up. 1B/DH are a dime a dozen. Catchers that can hit are the rarest breed of baseball player.

  104. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    1B/DH are a dime a dozen. Catchers that can hit are the rarest breed of baseball player.

    No one said to move him off catcher. And dime a dozen DHs are hitting .260 .340 .399 .739 this year.

  105. SoS May 19th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    I know if this was little league, you would put your worst fielding player in right field. If hes really really bad. You would put him out of bounds near right field and shift the centerfielder over.

    Dont worry fellas. If Posada does bad fielding some plays. We can have him shift over by the first base coach and have Cano take all balls hit to the right side.

  106. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    “saber guys should understand replacement value, and not ignore it because you want a prospect to come up. 1B/DH are a dime a dozen. Catchers that can hit are the rarest breed of baseball player.”

    ————–

    For shame.

    Evaluating things in a vacuum instead of in reality.

    I think you need to repeat Sabermetrics 101.

  107. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    “but if they want to have 1st an option for Montero in the future they should give him some games there.”

    Tex is an exceptional defensive first baseman and can play it 160 games a year. You want to sit him 40 games for Montero who isn’t a first baseman?

    There is no future for Montero at first on the Yanks. Just accept it.

  108. joeman May 19th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    my rookie of the year in the AL is going to be Eric Hosmer

  109. Rich in NJ May 19th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    “You mean the one time this year it does?”

    1) Player get hurt. Being prepared for foreseeable contingencies is smart.
    2) It’s not impossible that Posada’s tenure here, rightly or wrongly, is nearing an end.

    The benefit far outweighs the cost.

  110. RS May 19th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Francesa is an absolute nut

  111. Bronx Jeers May 19th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Rich in NJ May 19th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
    “This pretty much guarantees that Jeter will never be moved down in the lineup.”

    ————————————————

    I can’t imagine this happening in other sports.

    Lundquist with a 5.00 GAA? Leave him in. He is the “King” afterall.

  112. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    LGY – I think you need to take it the first time. You guys love the stats and defend them ad nauseum… but you do not believe in the core concepts of value.

  113. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Montero at DH if he has the bat he does is a coup for the Yankees as long as Martin plays at a high level. It maximizes the talents unless you expect the Yankees to sign Pujols or Fielder to Dh. And being able to replace Martin with Montero for 60-70 games a year is also a coup, and then potentially catching Montero for 120-140 games a year if Martin isn’t re-signed is also a coup. COUPS.

  114. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Tex is an exceptional defensive first baseman and can play it 160 games a year. You want to sit him 40 games for Montero who isn’t a first baseman?

    I specifically said not 40 games.

  115. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    “1) Player get hurt. Being prepared for foreseeable contingencies is smart.
    2) It’s not impossible that Posada’s tenure here, rightly or wrongly, is nearing an end.”

    When one of those things happen there will be time enough to think about it.

  116. Captain Clutch May 19th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    I am surprised Girardi didn’t come up with Nunez at 3rd base and Posada at 1st base. Why not have a real circus?!

  117. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    “LGY – I think you need to take it the first time. You guys love the stats and defend them ad nauseum… but you do not believe in the core concepts of value.”

    ————

    You are not understanding value because you insist on evaluating this situation in a vacuum.

    Like Face said yesterday, the Yankees don’t get brownie points if Montero is a full time catcher.

  118. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    “I specifically said not 40 games.”

    Yeah, but 40 games stuck in my mind.

  119. joeman May 19th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    I haven’t seen Montero hit pitching in the majors yet ….so do we really know if he can

  120. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    There were so many awesome options at DH this past winter that guys like Vladdy, Hideki, Thome, and Posada are mashing the ball.

    People need to realize that bountiful options at DH don’t exist anymore. Most of them are old, injury prone, and on the decline.

  121. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Yeah, but 40 games stuck in my mind.

    Tex has played 150 games at 1st in 09 and 2010. Having your best hitting prospect be able to play a passable first couldn’t hurt, and I’m telling you: If Montero is still on the team when Tex’s contract is up he is going to miguel cabrera his way over to 1st.

  122. G. Love May 19th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    Taking Tex out of the lineup would be dumb since he got a couple of hits last night. If he’s as much of “timing” guy as everyone makes him out to be, it’s better to keep him there and hope he gets whatever he needs to contribute to this offense again.

  123. MG May 19th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    randy l. May 19th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
    i’m not sure what i think of posada at first base . i don’t think i would do it unless there’s an emergency.

    there’s no problem with the 6’5 ” montero being a first baseman except that the yankees have a first baseman signed for big bucks and for quite a while. and i don’t see the yankees giving montero games at first down in scranton, so obviously the yankees brass isn’t very interested in lgy’s and jerkface’s idea of having montero play some first base.

    i am however a little more interested in seeing him come up and catch which is what he’s been training his whole life to do.

    call me crazy, but i unlike the sabre twinsies i think of montero as a catcher .
    ————————————————-
    Randy, ‘sabre twinsies’ is pretty good, it’s interesting how they always skew every conversation to suit their needs.

    The original conversation was about Montero becoming the every day 1st baseman (according to TJF) after Teix’ leaves the Yankees-of course, that is years away.

    Now they mock having Posada play one game at 1st base, something as far away from Montero being the regular 1st baseman as anything anyone can imagine.

    Next they’ll tell us we are ‘angry’ and ‘rant’-what they don’t understand is the word ‘disdain’, which pretty much describes my opinion of their approach to baseball.

  124. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    The original conversation was about Montero becoming the every day 1st baseman (according to TJF) after Teix’ leaves the Yankees-of course, that is years away.

    ————-

    False.

  125. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    The original conversation was about Montero becoming the every day 1st baseman (according to TJF) after Teix’ leaves the Yankees-of course, that is years away.

    Took you long enough to understand this.

  126. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    No one is pushing for Montero to not catch *right now* , but please create your own arguments in your heads.

  127. MG May 19th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    LGY May 19th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
    The original conversation was about Montero becoming the every day 1st baseman (according to TJF) after Teix’ leaves the Yankees-of course, that is years away.

    ————-

    False.

    Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
    The original conversation was about Montero becoming the every day 1st baseman (according to TJF) after Teix’ leaves the Yankees-of course, that is years away.

    Took you long enough to understand this.
    ——————————————–
    I guess you guys got your signals crossed on this one…

  128. jpb173 May 19th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    Unbelievable that they are moving a 38 year old with limited experience to the hardest position on the diamond.

    ————————————————————————————

    Isn’t that exactly what the Yankees did in 1967 with Mickey Mantle?

  129. joeman May 19th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    he better play well if and when he gets here…lot of hype for a player who hasn’t play a inning in a real game in the majors

  130. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Ideal Situation.

    -Russell Martin keeps mashing.
    -Jesus Montero comes up and mashes

    -Russell Martin is the everyday catcher
    -Jesus Montero is the BUC

    -Jesus Montero is the primary DH
    -On days when Jesus Montero is catching, DH older players (primarily A-Rod)
    -On days when Girardi wants Tex to DH, either do it when Montero is catching or put Montero at 1B

    The Yankees have an awesome catcher, an awesome DH, and the older guys have ample time at the DH spot. Russell Martin stays fresh and Jesus Montero’s bat is in the lineup on basically an everyday basis.

    Everyone wins.

  131. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    LGY apparently doesn’t even remember why we have been talking about this.

  132. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    LGY – That’s great for this year. It’s not all about this year with Montero.

  133. randy l. May 19th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    “All yankee catchers take reps at 1st. ”

    and mariano has been shagging fly balls in center field to forver, but i’m not expecting him to play center field defensively any time soon.

    this blog needs a slow lane for you and lgy to pull over in when you get fixated on your pet saber ideas that have little basis in reality.

    the yankees themselves have never played montero a single game at first base in the 5 years they have had him.

    i guess that tells you what they think of your idea.

  134. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    I guess you guys got your signals crossed on this one…

    My original argument was that Montero could be the successor to Tex at 1st since he would be in his prime when Tex’s contract expires. LGY’s original argument was that Montero should learn to play first so he can maximize his time in the lineup.

    Different arguments, but I also agree with his premise. Sometimes we argue different things. It doesn’t change the fact you misunderstood both.

  135. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    LGY – That’s great for this year. It’s not all about this year with Montero.

    —————-

    It’s great for next year too and beyond.

  136. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    You forgot this in your ideal situation:
    –Jesus Montero get’s good enough to catch in the majors.

  137. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    “If Montero is still on the team when Tex’s contract is up he is going to miguel cabrera his way over to 1st.”

    OK, but I need a believable scenario.

    The most likely scenario I see is that Tex plays first through 2016, the end of his contract.

    ARod plays third another 3 or 4 years, then has to move to DH in 2014 or 2015 and will be the DH through 2017 which is when his contract ends.

    Martin will be the starting catcher this year and will be re-signed and be the starting catcher next year.

    That leaves Montero’s only significant roles in the near future as DH and perhaps back-up catcher. If he isn’t traded which is a real possibility.

    There is then an opportunity for Montero to catch full time in 2013. If he can do it, then he isn’t going to be moved to first base in 2017. If he can’t do it, then either he will DH through 2013 or 2014, and then be moved somewhere else if he can play a position (RF?) in 2015 and 2016 when ARod has to DH, or be traded.

    The chances of him landing at first in 2017 on the Yanks seem slim.

  138. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    and mariano has been shagging fly balls in center field to forver, but i’m not expecting him to play center field defensively any time soon.

    You mean a relief pitcher isn’t going to be a position player? No wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

  139. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    It leaves the team with no catcher in 2 years, how does that help? If Martin is good for another year and a half you think he’ll resign cheap? Romine is magically gonna be ready to catch in 2 years?

    If they thought being a BUC would be enough work he would already be here. Is that so hard to understand? I don’t care what you think, because it’s clearly not what they think… because it’s not what they are DOING.

  140. G. Love May 19th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    LGY,

    Completely agree with your ideal situation. Now let’s just hope Cashman doesn’t trade him for Fausto Carmona or something stupid.

  141. MG May 19th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
    LGY apparently doesn’t even remember why we have been talking about this.
    —————–
    he never does. Some of us said that Montero is a bad choice as an everyday 1st baseman, there was no discussion on that thread of him playing 15-20 games there to spell Teix when he needs a day. No one plays every day so you sub in the best choice-if Montero could play some games there that’s fine, he can’t hurt the team much in 15-20 games over the course of the season and if he’s hitting that’s a big plus to have him in the lineup. That’s greatly different than having him there for an entire season potentially looking like the Jason Giambi Memorial Barber Pole.

  142. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    If they thought being a BUC would be enough work he would already be here. Is that so hard to understand? I don’t care what you think, because it’s clearly not what they think… because it’s not what they are DOING

    —————–

    Why do you keep ignoring roster issues.

    *cough*Jorge Posada*cough*$13 million*cough*Super Important Yankee*cough*

  143. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    There is then an opportunity for Montero to catch full time in 2013. If he can do it, then he isn’t going to be moved to first base in 2017.

    I disagree. We don’t know what catchers are banging on the door, what first base prospects are ready, and what free agents will be out there. A more optimal alignment could be Montero at 1st, Sanchez at catcher, or mystery prospect, or whoever.

  144. MG May 19th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
    I guess you guys got your signals crossed on this one…

    My original argument was that Montero could be the successor to Tex at 1st since he would be in his prime when Tex’s contract expires. LGY’s original argument was that Montero should learn to play first so he can maximize his time in the lineup.

    Different arguments, but I also agree with his premise. Sometimes we argue different things. It doesn’t change the fact you misunderstood both
    ———————————
    I didn’t misunderstand anything, Jerk.

  145. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Romine is magically gonna be ready to catch in 2 years?

    Wow you’re really down on Romine.

  146. G. Love May 19th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    I think Martin will definitely be the starter next year here and settle/not go to arb with the Yankees with a nice raise.

    From there, if he continues to fit in the fabric of this team and becomes a leader, I expect him to get a nice extension here.

    His leadership behind the plate has been pivotal this year. He just has to stay healthy.

    As for Montero, backing up Martin, DH’ing and working in reps at 1b will get him all the at bats he’ll need to adjust to the league.

    I’m fairly certain Romine is pure trade bait now more than ever. If Montero continues to hit in AAA I would not be stunned to see Cervelli dealt this season.

  147. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    The original argument is that you guys want to derail Montero’s development as the catcher of the future for some short-term need to fill a DH position. A DH position that could be filled by 15 other players in baseball by tomorrow if Cashman wanted to do that that doesn’t involve disturbing Montero.

    If they want him to be a catcher (pretty obvious) he has to have the oppurtunity to get good enough to do that. DH’ing for a year and a half is not going to make him a better catcher. Calling him up and stunting his development is setting a hard cap on his ability to maximize his value.

  148. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    I didn’t misunderstand anything, Jerk.

    That’s greatly different than having him there for an entire season potentially looking like the Jason Giambi Memorial Barber Pole.

    Ok.

  149. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    A DH position that could be filled by 15 other players in baseball by tomorrow if Cashman wanted to do that that doesn’t involve disturbing Montero.

    Who?

  150. michaels07 May 19th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Michael Kay said he could play first

  151. michaels07 May 19th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Whose on First?

  152. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    he never does. Some of us said that Montero is a bad choice as an everyday 1st baseman, there was no discussion on that thread of him playing 15-20 games there to spell Teix when he needs a day.

    ——————–

    HW Assignment

    Reread the thread

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/201.....-catching/

  153. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    LGY – You are telling me that Jones/Chavez/18th RP in the pen couldn’t disappear easily if they really wanted Montero up here to DH tomorrow? come on…

  154. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    . DH’ing for a year and a half is not going to make him a better catcher. Calling him up and stunting his development is setting a hard cap on his ability to maximize his value.

    You’re ignoring instruction possible at the major leagues and the ability to catch in real games as the backup catcher. Not to mention that offensie is his calling card and you can stagnate him offensively by not properly challenging him. Martin needs more days off and the Yankees don’t want to keep playing Cervelli. You think they pinch hit Martin for Montero?

  155. joeman May 19th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    is Ortiz a FA in 12

  156. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    LGY – You are telling me that Jones/Chavez/18th RP in the pen couldn’t disappear easily if they really wanted Montero up here to DH tomorrow? come on…

    ————-

    JORGE POSADA

  157. benfica356 May 19th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    AL Rookie of the Year will either be Michael Pineda or Zach Britton

  158. Wave Your Hat May 19th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Most likely scenario IMO is that Montero is traded this year for a starting pitcher.

  159. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    The old guys on here seem to have a problem with reading. Maybe it’s the font size.

    If you hit Ctrl + the font will be bigger.

  160. randy l. May 19th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    i hate to having to do their work for them, but one compelling argument for their position lgy and jerkface could use vicotr martinez as an example of a catcher adding first base to his defensive positions well after he started his mlb career.

    vmart played first base only about 15 games in the minors and didn’t play first in the majors until his third or fourth year in the majors.

    he now has over 150 games at first. so it can be done.

    the question is why do we or the yankees care now.

  161. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    Most likely scenario IMO is that Montero is traded this year for a starting pitcher.

    Thats the saddest scenario, I don’t like talking about that one.

  162. joeman May 19th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    # benfica356 May 19th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    AL Rookie of the Year will either be Michael Pineda or Zach Britton
    ——————————
    KC Kid is going to tear it up

  163. tmar May 19th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Francessa is loosing hes mind.

  164. brownies May 19th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    Jorge confirmed for us all that he is not firstbaseman last year. If he embarasses himself its gasoline on an already simmering fire..created by jorgey.

  165. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    randy – vmart started playing first because he couldn’t catch a full season anymore, his bat was going in the tank in cleveland until they moved him.

  166. Nick in SF May 19th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    What percentage of the argument occuring right now is because of personality clashes rather than legitimate baseball disagreements?

    90% Or is that low-balling it?

    The kicker will be when one of you reveals himself to himself to be commenter P’s grandfather.

  167. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    Poster grounded mid discussion, a seminal moment in Lohud history.

  168. michaels07 May 19th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Fatcesa said he could play first.

  169. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    jerkface – I’m not ignoring anything, you just keep saying that when you run out of ideas. you’re ignoring that they had this option and did not take it (major league “instruction… from the bench”). Also, Martin needing more rest is pure speculation. He’s 28, looks to be completely healthy… and is getting tons of free off days with this awesome weather we’ve been having.

    if the yankees were so worried about not running cervelli out there anymore… then they wouldn’t have put MOLINA on the roster out of spring training instead of montero.

  170. joeman May 19th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    # michaels07 May 19th, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Fatcesa said he could play first.
    ———————–
    I don’t think Mike can play first

  171. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    randy – vmart started playing first because he couldn’t catch a full season anymore, his bat was going in the tank in cleveland until they moved him.

    He started playing first while still catching 120-130 games for 06 and 07. I think Montero could do that. 06 and 07 were some of his best years in cleveland.

  172. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Let us know when Fatcessa starts recommending a good deli.

  173. AZ88 May 19th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Mike claims that he was a 1st baseman in college at St. Johns.

  174. joeman May 19th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    # Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Let us know when Fatcessa starts recommending a good deli.
    ——————————–
    he’s on the joba diet

  175. joeman May 19th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    # AZ88 May 19th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Mike claims that he was a 1st baseman in college at St. Johns.
    —————————
    100 lbs ago

  176. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    wow looking at victor’s game logs, he did not play a lot of games for boston at all…

  177. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Also, Martin needing more rest is pure speculation. He’s 28, looks to be completely healthy… and is getting tons of free off days with this awesome weather we’ve been having.

    Martin is hitting .197 .319 .279 .598 since April 25 and keeps playing a lot of games in a row. He has gotten into 6 games in a row twice in this stretch. They are finding reasons not to play cervelli.

  178. Irreverent Discourse May 19th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    This would be the first case in history of a team “finding reasons” to play their starter instead of their backup. Pulling Martins stats from a period where the entire team struggled and faced some good pitching isn’t really a fair assessment, stats guys should know that.

  179. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    In June they play like 22 games in a row. You can’t have martin catching 5 game sets and pinch hitting and coming in for cervelli on his day off.

  180. randy l. May 19th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    “Fatcesa said he could play first.”

    maybe he meant he could be first base.

    you know just lie there and let people run over him.

  181. luis May 19th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    Jerk,

    Cervelli sucks bigtime thats why he is not playing much

  182. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    Pulling Martins stats from a period where the entire team struggled and faced some good pitching isn’t really a fair assessment, stats guys should know that.

    Slumps are contagious now?

  183. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Cervelli sucks bigtime thats why he is not playing much

    yes this is my premise for this argument. Cervelli sucks so bad the Yankees would rather play Martin 5 days in a row than catch Cervelli any more than humanly possible. Having Montero as BUC could alleviate this.

    Look at Scoscia, he is catching Conger and Mathis in equal time. This could be our future!

  184. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    I’m interested in hearing who these DHs are that ID says Cash could easily acquire.

  185. joeman May 19th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Ortiz will be the Yankee DH in 12

  186. AZ88 May 19th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Why not just re-sign Posada to DH?

  187. Bret The Hitman May 19th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    I was talking with my best friend on the phone last night about the Yankees. He thinks Russell Martin will be the Yankees catcher for the next 5 years.

    I almost sense some fans want to downplay how valuable Russell Martin has been, is and will be for this team.

    Assuming Russell Martin will be the catcher for the next 5 years, where does Jesus Montero play?

    Do you really want him to be mostly a DH…the STARTING DH?

    He has a sub .800 OPS in AAA.

    That’s solid for a catcher, not for a DH…

    Plus there’s no guarantee he’d hit in MLB.

    DH’s who hit .800 OPS are easy to find for the most part and cheap. Just look at Eric Chavez.

  188. luis May 19th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    I think bringing up montero would be a big plus, you ease him in to the catcher position, we have a better dh most of the time and we rest martin before he becomes a shell of what he has been or worse he gets hurt

  189. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Do you really want him to be mostly a DH…the STARTING DH?

    Yes, when the Red Sox had David Ortiz and the Yankees had Giambi at Dh they were vastly superior to the league average DH.

  190. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    Assuming Russell Martin will be the catcher for the next 5 years, where does Jesus Montero play?

    Backup catch, DH, 1st. Eric Chavez has 30 PA

  191. Bret The Hitman May 19th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Why would you want to promote from within players without a position on this team? You don’t save any money that way when you can sign an Eric Chavez cheap.

    Isn’t there a way to get maximum value for Jesus Montero…as in…trade him as a catcher?

  192. joeman May 19th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Ortiz will be a DH for the Yankees in 12….Montero should be trade bait

  193. Captain Clutch May 19th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    AndrewMarchand Infield practice is over Posada. Replaced by rain, glorious rain.

  194. LGY May 19th, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Eric Chavez that has 39 PAs this year and is a walking injury???

  195. Bret The Hitman May 19th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Lance Berkman…

    How much did the Cards sign him for?

    Could he have been a DH candidate for the Yankees if they offered?

    See how easy that was?

  196. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Why would you want to promote from within players without a position on this team? You don’t save any money that way when you can sign an Eric Chavez cheap.

    Isn’t there a way to get maximum value for Jesus Montero…as in…trade him as a catcher?

    You’re not trading Montero for anyone good that isn’t also expensive and having a DH that is better than league average is incredibly valuable especially when the position is filled by a guy making 400k who can also backup catch.

  197. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Lance Berkman…

    How much did the Cards sign him for?

    Could he have been a DH candidate for the Yankees if they offered?

    8 million dollars, specifically said he didn’t want to DH.

  198. luis May 19th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Bret,

    Maybe you are right about Martin being the catcher for the next five years, but right now we need to get younger plus we need to protect martin, if he continues to play at this rate he is going to be worned out by september

  199. Bret The Hitman May 19th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    You guys are making DH out to be like the greatest commodity in baseball when they are easy to find cheap and productive enough to post a .800 OPS.

    The hardest thing to find is pitching…which is why Cashman has tried trading Jesus Montero for pitching like 3 times now.

  200. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    You guys are making DH out to be like the greatest commodity in baseball when they are easy to find cheap and productive enough to post a .800 OPS.

    If its so easy to find the average DH should be hitting better than they are now.

  201. Bret The Hitman May 19th, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Ok, so now Jesus Montero is unmovable for something of value?

    haha. ok.

  202. joeman May 19th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    # Bret The Hitman May 19th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    You guys are making DH out to be like the greatest commodity in baseball when they are easy to find cheap and productive enough to post a .800 OPS.

    The hardest thing to find is pitching…which is why Cashman has tried trading Jesus Montero for pitching like 3 times now.
    ———————————–
    and he’ll keep doing it

  203. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Ok, so now Jesus Montero is unmovable for something of value?

    No, but you are trying to shoe horn in price, when the only pitchers you are trading Jesus for are going to be expensive and likely in the last year of their contract or already under contract for a large price.

    Who are you getting Jesus for? You already undervalue Jesus as you’ve suggested trading him for the likes of Joakim Soria.

  204. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Name some names that would actually be available and lets see where it stacks up.

  205. Bret The Hitman May 19th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    You guys should just admit…your case is this…Jesus Montero will turn out to be the greatest DH of all time, even greater or at least as great as David Ortiz on steroids.

    Fine.

    Let’s say he is.

    What does that do for our rotation?

    Are you guys really comfortable with our 2011 rotation? Seriously?

  206. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    What does that do for our rotation?

    Are you guys really comfortable with our 2011 rotation? Seriously?

    If Jesus montero turns into David Ortiz on steroids, thats amazing and will give the yankees such an advantage over other teams that I wouldn’t dream of trading him for a pitcher.

  207. Jerkface May 19th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    No pitcher you trade for is guaranteed to be healthy or perform in new york, which is as much of a crapshoot as Jesus hitting MLB pitching (not as big a crap shoot, but it exists)

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    Just rehearsing Cashman’s lines for the trade deadline deal.

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    Where is this projection coming from?

    Hm maybe his entire minor league career and scouting reports where he is always the youngest player in the league and constantly slugs near or over .500 which is unheard of for young players.

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    This team scored 1 run for 14 innings last night against the BALTIMORE ORIOLES.

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    It depends on the pitcher and the situation. For half a season of Cliff Lee ? No. We also don’t know if that was ordered from on high. He offered him straight up for Roy Halladay, which I might consider a 1 for 1, you get a whole season of Halladay and he demanded an extension. So you wouldn’t lose him to FA. Don’t know what the third is, unless its for Cliff Lee again.

    The yankees aren’t trading Montero for a young good pitcher under team control, so it honestly isn’t worth trading him.

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    Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee. Two of the best (although in the latter’s case, I’m not a fan) starting pitchers in baseball.

    Who of their caliber is going to be available at the deadline?

    You also significantly understate the changes that have become apparent within this organization since the last time Cashman tried to trade Montero for a pitcher. This offense, with its many declining components, is clearly the biggest concern in house now. They have an embarrassing riches of guys like Noesi and Nova who should be able to pitch towards the middle and back of a big league rotation and an ace that isn’t going anywhere in the next five plus years. Offense is the clear priority now, and Montero is going to be at the center of this future offense.

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    He’s not a catcher. And this is a team filled with current and future high-priced DHs. They will attempt to sell him as a “catcher” to maximize his value. He is going bye-bye.

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    BTW jerkface, I supported the Granderson trade from day 1 while others left the board because Damon signed elsewhere and then defended Granderson while still others wanted Brett Gardner to take his place in CF and wanted Granderson off the team.

    So Holliday, Haren, Granderson, Russell Martin (favored that before trade rumors leaked). I also wanted Matt Kemp last year.

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    I also would’ve included Hughes with Montero in any offer for Felix before this season. I got killed for that.

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