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Dickerson back in right

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 23, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter SS
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Russell Martin C
Jorge Posada DH
Brett Gardner LF
Chris Dickerson RF

 
 

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135 Responses to “Dickerson back in right”

  1. Niblick May 23rd, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Once again, no Swishalicious today.

  2. Joe from Long Island May 23rd, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Erin ? the little bit I?ve picked up about Joe?s managing style is to play his slumping players, to let them try to work through it. He?s loyal in that respect, maybe to a fault. Coupled with a comment Joe made yesterday, about not releasing his lineup until he checked if a few guys were good to go, makes me wonder if Swish is nursing some injury.

  3. Bronx Jeers May 23rd, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    I doubt Swish lost his job to Dickerson but it makes you wonder what’s going on.

    Dickerson has looked pretty good considering he basically took a fastball to the face a few days ago.

  4. West Coast Yankee Fan May 23rd, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    For those who are intersted. This is a superbly written and comprehensive article on Wilpon, Madoff and the Mets by Jeffrey Toobin at the New Yorker.

    http://www.newyorker.com/repor.....ntPage=all

  5. Erin May 23rd, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    Joe-that’s what I’m thinking too.

  6. Joe from Long Island May 23rd, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Yeah, I’ve got to read that New Yorker article in full, when I’ve got time.

  7. ac1 May 23rd, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    cano needs a day off at some point too no?
    i mean, who has been beaten up more than him over the last few weeks..

  8. ac1 May 23rd, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    i like that martin is solidly in the 6 hole now.
    some protection for Cano.

  9. DocTodd May 23rd, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    Glad to see Hollywood ride the pines……Sick of seeing .218 players automatically penciled into the lineup…..

  10. blake May 23rd, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    Erin,

    Probably…..Id say Girardi will be questioned in it today again.

  11. West Coast Yankee Fan May 23rd, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Good article Joe. Wilpon on Mo!

    “Wilpon took out a baseball—there is often one within reach—and demonstrated how Rivera grips the ball. “I don’t claim to know everything about baseball but I do know pitching,” Wilpon said. Wilpon demonstrated how the ball rolled off Rivera’s fingers.”

  12. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    ac1, I couldn’t agree more. Girardi needs to give Cano enough rest.

  13. G. Love May 23rd, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    The New Yorker article on Wilpon is a spin job made to make him and his brother-in-law look like finance/investing rubes who just forked money over to Madoff without a clue about how money works.

    Outside of the nonsense about his players (who the Hell would want to play for him now), the main point of article is to convince you that he just didn’t know about those financial improprieties because he really didn’t have a head for that kind of stuff.

    It’s a disgrace. I don’t believe it for minute. He built a real estate empire and bought the Mets. He knows what to do with money and how it works.

  14. sunny615 May 23rd, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    wonder what’s up with swisher…?

  15. ac1 May 23rd, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2011 at 3:48 pm
    ac1, I couldn’t agree more. Girardi needs to give Cano enough rest.

    ___

    Normally i would say Cano can go all 162 and be fine, but he has been hit pretty hard this year, once in the head, and im pretty sure hurt once or twice in the field as well.

    I’m sure Joe is hoping to get to the off day thursday instead of sitting him for a game, but it may help to give him wednesday and than would give him two days off for the left coast trip.

  16. GreenBeret7 May 23rd, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Joe, In LI, that people in that area are in for a rough summer, I’m afraid. The worst thing is that the rains will start. Their concerns now are that the water mains may not operate and with the gas lines and power lines down, the fire departments won’t be able to deal with the emergencies.

    It will be interesting to see if the city can help each other or if the vultures will move in to take advantage of the tragedy. I keep hoping that people will be humane, but, I don’t expect it.

    as far as the two kids mentioned, I know very little about them. There’s just so many names mentioned that I usuallt start getting acquainted with the new kids after the Yanks draft them.

  17. Erin May 23rd, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    I have a feeling Cano will sit on Wednesday. That’ll give him two days off going into Seattle.

  18. Joe from Long Island May 23rd, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    G.Love – you know your problem? You don’t let your true feelings come out. You keep things inside. Emote…… ;)

    Still, I’d like to read it. I’m with you, though – based on the reporting in the papers (WS Journal, NY Times), Fred is no hick from the sticks. He may be a nice guy (at least when he wants to), but it sounds like he took things to the edge of what he thought he could could get away with.

  19. mick May 23rd, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    In Girardi’s mind he wants to platoon Swisher/Dickerson and Posada/Jones.
    At the very least to try to wake them both up.
    Posada responded with a good game after his fiasco.
    Dickerson has been playing good ball.
    The fact that Jones sucks, hurts the equation, but by any means necessary.
    He can easily do this with switch hitters.

  20. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    # ac1 May 23rd, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2011 at 3:48 pm
    ac1, I couldn’t agree more. Girardi needs to give Cano enough rest.

    ___

    Normally i would say Cano can go all 162 and be fine, but he has been hit pretty hard this year, once in the head, and im pretty sure hurt once or twice in the field as well.

    I’m sure Joe is hoping to get to the off day thursday instead of sitting him for a game, but it may help to give him wednesday and than would give him two days off for the left coast trip.
    ______
    Yes, he has been hit hard, but he tends to play through injuries for better or worse. I am sure the hand injury and being hit in the head, as well as fatigue played into his slump and his questionable plate discipline, plus the desire to do too much with the middle of the order scuffling.

    I don’t agree about his playing 162 games though. We can surely get away with Nunez at 2nd periodically to give Cano a blow. And even though Thursday is an off day, it is a travel day to the west coast. I would rather he get a day off beforehand, although I would have rested him against the Mets vs. against Toronto. Regardless, we do need to keep him fresh; a long season without proper rest can really wear a player down. Plus sometimes off season over-training rather than building endurance over a season can tax a player. Joe needs to be smart with Cano.

  21. ericns1 May 23rd, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Makes me wonder if Swish has a minor injury of some sort.

  22. G. Love May 23rd, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    Joe from LI,

    I’m interested in hearing your reaction on that article. It’s a long one.

    Now I’ll go back to my hole and keep my feelings all locked up inside, lol.

  23. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    #

    # Erin May 23rd, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    I have a feeling Cano will sit on Wednesday. That’ll give him two days off going into Seattle.
    ____
    You’d hope so, considering Wed. is a day game.

  24. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    The worst thing that happened last week was Dickerson going 4-8. Now it will never stop.

  25. jackamir May 23rd, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    The one thing that I feel is strange is the allegiance the team has for Cervelli. He should be in AA. He is a below average receiver and a weak bat. This notion that Montero or Romine have to be held back is puzzling. I think the best 25 should be on the active roster. Winning now is the ultimate goal.

  26. The Hand of Satan May 23rd, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Here’s the Swisher issue:

    He got married.

    Any other questions?

    (full disclosure: I am writting this as I wear a Swisher t-shirt)

  27. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    They won a WS with Cervelli… Winning now is the ultimate goal. The BUC has never determined such a fate.

  28. Erin May 23rd, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    You?d hope so, considering Wed. is a day game.

    ***********************
    that’s right, I keep forgetting Wednesday is a day game. Probably because I’ll be stuck at work I’m trying to block it out or something. ;)

  29. ac1 May 23rd, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    The worst thing that happened last week was Dickerson going 4-8. Now it will never stop.

    ___

    it will when either he doesnt hit or swish does.

  30. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    # Erin May 23rd, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    You?d hope so, considering Wed. is a day game.

    ***********************
    that’s right, I keep forgetting Wednesday is a day game. Probably because I’ll be stuck at work I’m trying to block it out or something. ;)
    ___
    I actually cleared my sched, so that I could attend. I love weekday day games. They have an “old time” baseball feel to them. Usually the PA isn’t as loud, and you can actually hear the sounds of the game. :)

  31. GreenBeret7 May 23rd, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 4:02 pm
    They won a WS with Cervelli… Winning now is the ultimate goal. The BUC has never determined such a fate.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Never? How about ’61 and ’62 with Berra and Blanchard?

  32. Erin May 23rd, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    I actually cleared my sched, so that I could attend. I love weekday day games. They have an ?old time? baseball feel to them. Usually the PA isn?t as loud, and you can actually hear the sounds of the game

    ***********************

    very cool! I hope you have a great time :)

  33. Erin May 23rd, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    JoeAuriemmaYES Swisher is out tonight. Girardi said he needs a couple of days to just get things going.

    blake-maybe you weren’t so far off after all! ;)

  34. jackamir May 23rd, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    4 or 5 reserves off the bench are important. If you had a pinch hitting situation who would you rather have Cervelli or Montero? Even if it is just 1 game. Winning a game early in the season is just as important as one in Sept.

  35. The Hand of Satan May 23rd, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    Swisher needs to rub one out. He’ll be fine.

  36. GreenBeret7 May 23rd, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    Oh, no….Erin just said that Blake might have been right about something. He’s going to be insufferable now. I’d rather go to a dentist that tell him that.

  37. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    What’s Girardi going to say? They’ve been patient long enough. As long as Dickerson can hit RHP, they should keep playing him, because Siwsher has been awful v. RHP.

  38. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    GB7 – Blanchard was the catcher who called the pitch that Bill Mazeroski hit for the first-ever series ending home run off Ralph Terry in the 1960 World Series in which the Pittsburgh Pirates defeated the heavily favored Yankees.

    Yeah, a big help /sarcasm.

    Thanks for finding one exception, you are the king of trivial crap.

  39. yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    # Erin May 23rd, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    yankeefeminista May 23rd, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    I actually cleared my sched, so that I could attend. I love weekday day games. They have an ?old time? baseball feel to them. Usually the PA isn?t as loud, and you can actually hear the sounds of the game

    ***********************

    very cool! I hope you have a great time :)
    ______
    Thanks, Erin. A win will make that happen. I am easy to please. :)

    Also I am due after attending two Red Sox losses. :(

  40. Erin May 23rd, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    BloggingBombers Swisher getting another day to work on things on the side. “I’m trying to get him going,” Joe Girardi said.

  41. Erin May 23rd, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    GB-be careful. Blake might just call you in for a checkup. ;)

  42. mick May 23rd, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    BloggingBombers Swisher getting another day to work on things on the side. “I’m trying to get him going,” Joe Girardi said.
    ====================
    Yes. By playing with his head. But not in the way The Hand of Satan describes.

  43. The Hand of Satan May 23rd, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    if you want to get Swisher going, call Cameron Diaz. She is like RBI fertilizer.

  44. Erin May 23rd, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    JoeAuriemmaYES He said he needs to work w/Kevin Long..get more consistency..sit back and take a deep breath. This approach is something that might help him

  45. P May 23rd, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    DAMN IT !!

    I was hoping Girardi got raptured !!! UGHHHH.. now i have to wait until 12/21/2012 for the end of the world before we’re rid of him !!

  46. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    jackamir – Cervelli has 5 PH appearances in 3 1/2 years with the club.

    I dont know why they keep him around, but they certainly must like something since the entire coaching staff is catchers…

    People keep saying “Montero can just learn from the coaches, they are all catchers”. well, they also made the decision to not do that…

  47. GreenBeret7 May 23rd, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Not worried about Blake. I’ll send “Killer” in first. One look at that vicious wolf and Blake will be a quivering bowl of Jell-o.

  48. mick May 23rd, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    I doubt that Cervelli and Posada are keeping Montero down on the farm, it has to be more than that.
    He’s not exactly tearing up AAA ball.

  49. Rich in NJ May 23rd, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    “I doubt that Cervelli and Posada are keeping Montero down on the farm, it has to be more than that.”

    The problem is that Cervelli isn’t a ML catcher.

  50. The Hand of Satan May 23rd, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Cervelli is a Major Lobster catcher.

  51. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    Dice-K apparently in line for TJ. So says the mouthpiece… err… Heyman.

  52. ac1 May 23rd, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    I doubt that Cervelli and Posada are keeping Montero down on the farm, it has to be more than that.
    He’s not exactly tearing up AAA ball.

    _____

    He isn’t tearing up AAA? He isn’t sucking it up either.
    Also, Cervelli hit .190 in AA before coming up, so i doubt his hitting in AAA is keeping him there.

  53. ac1 May 23rd, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Montero was not kept with the team out of spring training because he was pressing at the plate once he knew it was his spot to lose, and thus hit himself right out of the BUC job.

  54. Nick in SF May 23rd, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    “They won a WS with Cervelli… Winning now is the ultimate goal. The BUC has never determined such a fate.”

    Sorta, but in 2009 Cervelli was the double backup; he appeared in fewer games than Jose Molina (42 vs. 52).

    A better argument would be, they went to Game Six of the ALCS in 2010 with Cervelli as the UC and actually starting more (a few more? around the same #?) games at C than Jorge Posada.

  55. mick May 23rd, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    3 HR’s and 17 RBI in 153 PA for Montero in AAA.
    Not exactly tearing it up.

  56. Bad Scooter May 23rd, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    mick May 23rd, 2011 at 4:20 pm
    I doubt that Cervelli and Posada are keeping Montero down on the farm, it has to be more than that.
    He’s not exactly tearing up AAA ball.

    ———————————————

    After the second half last year Montero has nothing to prove in AAA with the bat. And he is hitting .315 down there with some pop lately.

  57. mick May 23rd, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    They don’t see Montero as a BUC.
    He is more trade bait as Martin looks like the catcher of the future.

  58. YES May 23rd, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Good to see Dickerson rewarded for his play. He is better defensively with a better arm than Swish.

    Tired of seeing Swish strikeout with a runner on 3rd & less than 2 outs.

    Cervelli is a AA catcher. He can’t hit, has no power, weak arm, & avg, defensive skills. Posada would be a better fit to catch once a week, at least with Po you have some power potential.

    Cervelli should be sent down, use Posada as your once a week catcher/PH and bring up Montero to be the full time DH & #3 catcher.

    Cut Andrew Jones, & bring up Vazquez who has 16 HR’s in AAA & also hit during the Spring.

    Lets put some life into this team by cutting loose the deadwood & rewarding the guys who are performing at AAA. (Montero is hitting over .300 with 3 HR’s)

  59. Bad Scooter May 23rd, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Do they see Montero as a BUC and RH DH though? If they were smart they would.

  60. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    Interesting line-up. I can’t argue with Joe here.
    Dickerson is producing at the plate.
    So far this season, Swisher has been under-achieving at the plate.

  61. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    nick – Posada also missed considerable time that year, and Cervelli filled the role and didn’t derail the quest for the ring. I assume people are only upset because of some perceived lack of contribution to winning, as opposed to not being so bad he makes them lose.

  62. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    YES – Tired of seeing Swish strikeout with a runner on 3rd & less than 2 outs

    Get your hate in order, doesn’t Swisher lead the league in getting runners in from third?

  63. ac1 May 23rd, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    i love when people like Heyman act like they are breaking news that CC will opt out of his deal, like people havent already figured that out.

    I’m sure the Yankees are well aware this will 99% likely happen, so i am sure they are prepared to offer an extra 2 years onto his already sweet deal.

  64. Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Is it remotely possible that Montero is not currently up because the Yanks don’t think he’s ready? Or that they aren’t comfortable with his defense even as BUC?

    Or does everyone here believe the Yanks are either stupid or perverse?

    The only other possibilities I see are (1) waiting for Super 2 status to pass or (2) holding him back for a trade. Other possibilites?

  65. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    The opt-out was a comfort clause for his wife. CC is the ultimate team guy.

    He’s not opting out.

  66. Nick in SF May 23rd, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Some people are upset — if that’s the right word — because they think Cervelli was better both defensively and offensively in 2009 than he looked in 2010 and looks in 2011.

    And because they’ve got a fever and the only cure is more any Montero.

  67. ac1 May 23rd, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    looks like swish is going through a granderson type period with K-Long.
    Sit a few days, work on things and see what happens.

  68. MG May 23rd, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    In the LoHud Yankees world it’s produce or off with your head, there is never a slump, just total suckiness and needs to be replaced.

    Swish is just the latest casualty of this ridiculous thinking.

    Dickerson is a career minor leaguer/fringe big leaguer, he may hit for a week or two or be a decent spare outfielder but he has no chance to be a regular on a playoff caliber team.

  69. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    Yes-I appreciate your enthusiasm, but you’re very wrong on so many levels
    #1-Cut Jones for Vasquez? OK, but Vazquez can’t play the outfield. So that is a minus.
    #2-Cervelli is certainly not a AA catcher. He is a MLB back-up catcher. Show me a back-up catcher in the majors that excels or show me a back-up that should be starting everyday?
    They call these players back-ups for a reason
    If you think Cervelli’s arm is weak, wait until your wish comes true and Posada puts on the gear. The opposing team will be stealing bases on Posada from the 1st to the final inning.

  70. ac1 May 23rd, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    The opt-out was a comfort clause for his wife. CC is the ultimate team guy.

    He’s not opting out.

    _____

    Really?
    I dont think he is leaving NY, but he will certainly do it to get the extra years, and im sure the yankees will add them.

  71. Doc Iac May 23rd, 2011 at 4:42 pm

    They don’t see Montero as a BUC.
    He is more trade bait as Martin looks like the catcher of the future.

    —————

    careful those are fightin words as alot of the poeple on this blog see him as a messiah

    i happen to think if they can get an ace for him they need to trade him, just not for anyone in the NL (i think i heard people mention cole hammels)

  72. Bad Scooter May 23rd, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    Wave? Have you watched Cervelli behind the plate the last two years? Are you comfortable with that? He can’t hit or play defense.

  73. Jerkface May 23rd, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Who are the yankees acquiring in a hypothetical Jesus Montero trade, both guys they offered him up for are under contract.

  74. hardwired7 May 23rd, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Swisher’s in the shop. Yanks don’t know if it’s valve-related or a bad timing belt.

    Waiting to hear back from the mechanic…

  75. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    ac1 – I’ll just say that I would be A) surprised and B) disappointed

    There’s no market for it anymore, the Yankees could hardball him and he wouldn’t make nearly $23m/year with a new contract. Who else is going to pay that?

  76. Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    “Wave? Have you watched Cervelli behind the plate the last two years? Are you comfortable with that? He can’t hit or play defense.”

    Joe Girardi sits closer to the plate than I do. What can I say?

  77. Captain Clutch May 23rd, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    I don’t think Montero still being in AAA has anything to do with offense. The 2 main reasons are probably they don’t think he will get enough playing time and the main reason being they don’t think his defense is ready. The only way to get his defense better is by catching everyday.

  78. mick May 23rd, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    when is this super2 period up?

  79. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    He must be able to do something right, since the entire coaching staff were catchers and they might know a thing or two about the position.

    People can repeat “Cervelli is not a ML catcher” ad nauseum… it doesn’t change the fact that he is, in fact, a ML BUC.

  80. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    mick – june 15th

  81. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    I don’t believe the super2 nonsense, they would sooner buy out his arb years than worry about 1 year of team control. When have the Yankees ever played the super2 game?

  82. Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    “I don’t believe the super2 nonsense, they would sooner buy out his arb years than worry about 1 year of team control.”

    Seems unlikely I agree but I can’t dismiss it as at least a factor.

  83. Erin May 23rd, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Yankees Curtis Granderson’s 16 homers are tied for the sixth-most by a #Yankees player through the club’s first 45 games.

  84. GreenBeret7 May 23rd, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    H-Wired, the way Swisher has been stumbling and sliding around in the outfield, it looks like he’s blown a tire. He’s starting to remind me of Lonnie “Skates” Smith out there.

  85. Bad Scooter May 23rd, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2011 at 4:47 pm
    “Wave? Have you watched Cervelli behind the plate the last two years? Are you comfortable with that? He can’t hit or play defense.”

    Joe Girardi sits closer to the plate than I do. What can I say?

    ——————————————-

    I guess that settles it then.

    Not really. Cervelli is bad. If we didn’t have Montero who could come up and be BUC and the RH DH I wouldn’t care because I don’t expect my BUC to be an All-Star. Also, I really don’t care that Cervelli can’t hit or get a bunt down when needed, but your BUC should at least be adequate behind the plate and Cervelli isn’t even that.

  86. LGY May 23rd, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    June 15th sounds too late for super 2.

  87. ac1 May 23rd, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    There’s no market for it anymore, the Yankees could hardball him and he wouldn’t make nearly $23m/year with a new contract. Who else is going to pay that?

    ___

    Boston?

  88. MG May 23rd, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Swish’s walk and K rate are in the same range batting both righty and lefty yet his BA lefty is under the Mendoza line and .333 right handed.

    To me that means only one thing-this is not a long term issue and will self correct, probably with a little tweaking from Long. He’s making contact at about the same rate as his career averages, just not getting the results batting left handed.

  89. Jerkface May 23rd, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    I don’t believe the super2 nonsense, they would sooner buy out his arb years than worry about 1 year of team control. When have the Yankees ever played the super2 game?

    They already have a year of team control, the super-2 cutoff is for one of the non-arb years to become an extra arb-year. The yankees might not have played the super-two game before, but when is the last time they brought up a big time prospect before may? And the times are a changing. Big time players are signing huge 8-10 year deals way before FA, effectively making those players impossible for the Yankees to acquire. And opposing clubs want guys under team control. Perhaps they are finally wising up to the game being played by everyone else.

  90. ac1 May 23rd, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    with dice-k likely out through the end of next year if he has TJS, there will be an open spot for a starter and Boston can afford it with Ortiz, Drew and Paps at the end of their deals.

  91. Nick in SF May 23rd, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Maybe the Yanks don’t care about the Super 2 “nonsense” but a potential trade partner might.

  92. Bad Scooter May 23rd, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 4:49 pm
    He must be able to do something right, since the entire coaching staff were catchers and they might know a thing or two about the position.

    People can repeat “Cervelli is not a ML catcher” ad nauseum… it doesn’t change the fact that he is, in fact, a ML BUC.

    ——————————————–

    He definitely is a ML BUC, he’s just not a good one.

  93. LGY May 23rd, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    CC exercised his opt out the day it was added to his contract.

  94. Jerkface May 23rd, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    With the earlier start to the season, the super-2 cutoff should be around now to june 1st. But it changes.

  95. Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    “Not really. Cervelli is bad. If we didn’t have Montero who could come up and be BUC and the RH DH I wouldn’t care because I don’t expect my BUC to be an All-Star.”

    OK Bad Scooter, I have nothing to add to what I said at 4:40pm. Girardi and Pena are ex-catchers, Cashman watches every game. I take it you are in the “Yanks are stupid or perverse” camp.

  96. Bad Scooter May 23rd, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    I heard this Super 2 thing is going away in the next CBA.

  97. austinmac May 23rd, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    GB,

    Has you heard anything on DePaula visa problem? I assume he is not in the US.

  98. Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    “Maybe the Yanks don’t care about the Super 2 “nonsense” but a potential trade partner might.”

    Good point.

  99. austinmac May 23rd, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    Have

  100. Bronx Jeers May 23rd, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    There’s no market for it anymore, the Yankees could hardball him and he wouldn’t make nearly $23m/year with a new contract. Who else is going to pay that?

    ———————————————————–

    LA Angels.

    I’d say there’s definitely several teams that can top 4 yrs/92MM. Cliff Lee had 3 teams get close to 6 yrs/140MM and he’s older and hasn’t had the same career as CC.

  101. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    ac1 – Boston is the only name that can be even uttered, and it would be nearly impossible for them.

    $120m on Crawford, and $140m on Agon last year…
    still eating the $80m on Lackey and $100m on Dice-K (post + contract).
    Lose Papelbon, Cameron and Drew to FA in 2012.

    They still have no catcher and no SS, add to that no RF next year…

    I don’t see them spending 6 years/$140m on a starter anytime soon.

    CC would have very little if any bargaining power if he opts out.

  102. Jerkface May 23rd, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    http://www.dobberbaseball.com/.....spect-talk

  103. Captain Clutch May 23rd, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Reliever Joba Chamberlain will not be available again today. Girardi said he just heard about the infection-type problem in Chamberlain’s eyes.

    “I’m going to stay away from him today,” Girardi said.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....um=twitter

  104. Bad Scooter May 23rd, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    OK Bad Scooter, I have nothing to add to what I said at 4:40pm. Girardi and Pena are ex-catchers, Cashman watches every game. I take it you are in the “Yanks are stupid or perverse” camp.

    ———————————————-

    Do you have anything to add to the argument about Cervelli? Like the way he handles pitchers? Blocks balls in the dirt? Throws? Hits? Bunt? Anything other than the lame Girardi and Pena were cathers so they must love Cervelli bit? Give me some facts, stats or anything. Are you watching the games? Does Cervelli brint anything to the table other than a fist pump once in awhile?

    And no I don’t think the Yankees, Cashman or Girardi are stupid.

  105. Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    “CC would have very little if any bargaining power if he opts out.”

    Let’s play a little game. What’s the Yank rotation look like in 2012 without CC?

  106. Jerkface May 23rd, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    The cutoff time is between 120-145 days (in the initial callup year). This years is supposed to be 144, which means players who got called up in May are safe. We won’t know what the cutoff will be for Montero, which is why clubs wait till mid May or june to be safe.

  107. LGY May 23rd, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    CC would have very little if any bargaining power if he opts out

    —–

    AJ Burnett and John Lackey got 5/82 as 32 year olds.

    It’s really silly to say a 31 year old CC Sabathia would have very little if any bargaining power.

  108. Jerkface May 23rd, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    What’s the Yank rotation look like in 2012 without CC?

    Burnett-Hughes-Nova-Noesi-Banuelos

    hell yea!!!

  109. Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    “Anything other than the lame Girardi and Pena were cathers so they must love Cervelli bit? Give me some facts, stats or anything.”

    All I’m saying is that if the Yanks thought Montero was a better option than Cervelli right now I have to think Montero would be here, unless he’s being held back for super 2 avoidance or as trade bait. You can complain about Cervelli forever but that doesn’t change that reasoning.

  110. Jerkface May 23rd, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Hernandez-Joba-Hughes-Kennedy-Darvish

    oh wait sorry this post is from 2009

  111. GreenBeret7 May 23rd, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Mac, haven’t looked lately, but, I haven’t seen anything on DePaula.

  112. Jerkface May 23rd, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    All I’m saying is that if the Yanks thought Montero was a better option than Cervelli right now I have to think Montero would be here

    Maybe if Montero was on the 40 man he would be here.

  113. LGY May 23rd, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Burnett-Hughes-Nova-Noesi-Banuelos hell yea!!!

    ——

    You forgot Pettitte!!

  114. Nick in SF May 23rd, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    ““I’m going to stay away from him today,” Girardi said.”

    Infected eyes? Irabu-style puss? They should all stay away from him.

    Luckily we have 90-pitches-through-the-8th Bartolo Colon going tonight. :grin:

  115. LGY May 23rd, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Bartolo Colon is coming back in 2012 to anchor the staff.

    Colon-Andy-AJ-Ghost of Phil Hughes-Manny

    Boom!!

  116. Jerkface May 23rd, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    When I went to Japan I tried to stay away from Irabu-style puss as well.

  117. Captain Clutch May 23rd, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    The Yanks should of just added a couple of years to CC’s contact in the off season and they would of been done with it. Their policy of not extending players until they are finished is really stupid and it always costs them more money and headaches in the end. CC will definitely opt out and they know it then. Instead of having to be the highest bidder once again they should of just got the drama over with.

  118. Bad Scooter May 23rd, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    All I’m saying is that if the Yanks thought Montero was a better option than Cervelli right now I have to think Montero would be here, unless he’s being held back for super 2 avoidance or as trade bait. You can complain about Cervelli forever but that doesn’t change that reasoning.

    —————————————————–

    I hear you and I agree with that. I’m just curious as to why they are not bringing him up. Of course there is a reason, we just don’t know what it is and I’m hoping they’ll bring him up at some point. It just makes sense to me to use him as the RH DH and BUC and have him work with Pena and Long everyday here and get 3 or 4 starts a week.

  119. Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    “Maybe if Montero was on the 40 man he would be here.”

    Yeah, can’t take a chance on exposing Gustavo Molina to a claim…

  120. LGY May 23rd, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Their policy of not extending players until they are finished is really stupid and it always costs them more money and headaches in the end

    —-

    Derek Jeter.

  121. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    LGY – It’s not silly at all, Burnett and Lowe are not even in the same class of contract as CC.

    5/82 != 4/96
    16 != 23

    If he opts out he faces the very real situation of not getting a $23m/year contract again.

    Lee has been the best pitcher in baseball for the last few years (CC has not) and barely eeked out a contract with a larger AAV than CC. You think those same 2 teams are going to bid up another starter above that level? (texas wasn’t budging on money only years and only had a shot because Lee played there)

    There is no point to opting out if more years for more money per year won’t be readily available. He may eek out a marginal bump, but is that worth ostracizing your fans and teammates over?

  122. Wave Your Hat May 23rd, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Hey some of these 2012 rotations are getting me pretty excited…

  123. Nick in SF May 23rd, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Complaining about Cervelli forever sounds like apres-Rapture Hell, probably ith Heyman tweets involved somehow.

    I don’t think we’ll really have to go through that. Montero will be up on the big club before too long. #somewhereovertherainbowoncandymountain

  124. LGY May 23rd, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    If he opts out he faces the very real situation of not getting a $23m/year contract again

    —–

    It’s not about AAV.

    It’s about years.

    And what’s this stuff about Cliff Lee being the best paid pitcher the last few years???

  125. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    WYH – I sadly believe that CC is too big a man to opt out (punny, i know). Opt-ing out is something little chickensh*ts like A-Rod do… under awful advice from bad agents.

  126. LGY May 23rd, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    It’s always about years.

    Oh forget that Cliff Lee thing. I read your post wrong.

  127. LGY May 23rd, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    WYH –I sadly believe that CC is too big a man to opt out (punny, i know). Opt-ing out is something little chickensh*ts like A-Rod do… under awful advice from bad agents

    —–

    Seriously?

    Alex got 300 million. Boras is a genius.

  128. ebyanks2011 May 23rd, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    If Girardi is sitting Swisher because he’s going with the hot bat in Dickerson, I like it. Why keep running the sane lineup out there when guys aren’t producing. There’s really no sugar coating it, Swishers been atrocious this year. With the lineup struggling more often then not with RISP, Swishers struggles are that much more glaring.

  129. mick May 23rd, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    why is swisher falling down in the field every chance he gets?

  130. jacksquat May 23rd, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    Montero is hitting .315, which is the highest avg on the team. Not much power yet, but everyone knows he has power, it’s not a concern.

    The only legitimate they could have for keeping him down is for him to get the most possible experience catching.

  131. Warning Track Power May 23rd, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    ebyanks-
    I agree with everything you wrote.
    Dickerson is indeed “hot” right now. Swisher has not been “hot” all season long.
    Thankfully the Yankees have someone like Dickerson who is capable of spelling Swisher
    for a couple or three days.
    I don’t believe Dickerson is the long term cure, but Dickerson is certainly a better option compared to: Golson, K. Russo, etc….

  132. mick May 23rd, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    NEXT====>>

  133. Niblick May 23rd, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    mick – too many (way too many) red bulls before the game?

  134. Irreverent Discourse May 23rd, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    LGY – Alex got nothing he wouldn’t have gotten this offseason aside from strife and the possibility to play for some worse team (and no WS ring). 7 years $190m is what the extension breaks down to. Even with hip surgury he signs that contact this past offseason, if not more.

  135. mick May 23rd, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Swish , like Melky, is too caught up with the bleacher creatures.

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