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Postgame notes: Rivera’s major milestone

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on May 25, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

One day, two big-league records.

Mariano Rivera finished off the Yankees’ 7-3 win over the Blue Jays with a one-hit ninth. It marked appearance No. 1,000, all with one team. No one had ever done that.

“You have to be old to do that,” Rivera said after he lowered his ERA to 1.71. “It’s a blessing, being on the same team and to be able to do that. The most important thing is we won.”

There have been only 14 other pitchers to appear in 1,000 regular-season games.

“When you simplify it, he’s a one-pitch pitcher coming from a small fishermen village in Panama, and to have this type of success in one of the biggest cities in the world, it’s incredible,” Brian Cashman said. “And he’s that great a guy at the same time. He’s the same person he was when he signed.”

Andruw Jones remembers facing him in 1996 with the Braves.

“He’s the same guy, same pitcher, still getting them out,” Jones said. “I think he’s super human.”

Then there’s the case of Jo-Jo Reyes. The Toronto lefty tied the record held by Matt Keough and Cliff Curtis – 28 straight winless starts.

“I’m not worried about that streak,” said Reyes, who’s 0-13 with 15 no-decisions dating to his time with the 2008 Braves. ”When I step on the rubber, all I think about is executing pitches. We have fun with it, but it doesn’t get to me and doesn’t bother me. … Once I start pressuring myself into this funny streak, that’s when I get into trouble and try to do way too much.”

Brian Cashman had this to say about Dr. James Andrews’ diagnosis of an inflamed ligament in Rafael Soriano’s right elbow that will keep him out at least another six to eight weeks:

“I didn’t talk to Andrews directly,” Cashman said, “but talking to (team physician) Chris Ahmad, it sounded like Andrews is optimistic with the time frame and course of treatment that he should come through this OK.”

Freddy Garcia is sure doing OK. He improved to 3-4 but with a 3.26 ERA in nine games, including eight starts. Not bad for a guy who arrived at spring training with a minor-league non-roster invitation.

“Everything we’ve needed and more,” Cashman said. “He’s allowing us to plug a major hole and answer our prayers because obviously the winter didn’t go the way we wanted it to. You go from Plan A (Cliff Lee) to maybe Plan Z, but it doesn’t matter. You’re looking for the end results. The one thing I knew about Freddy before he came here was this man would not be intimidated by this environment.”

Jones matched his home-run total for the season with a pair of two-run shots. He came in batting .191 with three RBI. He had been 3 for his last 24. But he finished with three hits in this game.

“My last 20 at-bats, I wasn’t happy with them,” Jones said. “So I just kept working with (Kevin) Long, trying to get it right. Today was a great day.”

So the Yankees have won two straight and seven of nine to go to 27-21.They lead the Red Sox by percentage points. 

“It’s been an up and down first two months for us,” Joe Girardi said. “But the fact is we’re in first place and there’s a ton of baseball left to be played. You go through a two-week stretch where you really struggle and in some divisions you could be way back.  In a sense, we’re somewhat fortunate that it’s been an up-and-down season for what seems like every team in our division.”

*The Yankees reacquired righty reliever Kanekoa Texeira, claiming him off waivers from the Royals and assigning him to Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. To make room on the 40-man roster, Phil Hughes was moved to the 60-day DL.

*Girardi passed Buck Showalter for eighth on the Yankees’ managerial victory list with No. 314.

*Derek Jeter passed Cap Anson for 23rd on baseball’s all-time runs-scored list with No. 1,713 and doubled for hit No. 2,976.

*Curtis Granderson is batting .296 vs. lefties as opposed to .273 vs. righties, and he’s batting .304 with eight homers and 18 RBI since taking over the two-hole on a regular basis on May 6.

*Mark Teixeira has homered four times in his last seven games.

*Alex Rodriguez owns a six-game hitting streak and has at least one hit in 14 of his last 17 games.

*The Yankees will spend tomorrow’s off day in Seattle and then A.J. Burnett will be on the mound when they open the series against the Mariners Friday night. The Yankees will be facing Michael Pineda and Felix Hernandez in the first two games of the series.

The photo of Mariano Rivera is courtesy of The Associated Press.

 
 

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227 Responses to “Postgame notes: Rivera’s major milestone”

  1. tom tresh 15 May 25th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Mo says you have to be old to do that. LOL He is younger than I

  2. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Imagine what a pitching staff Mariners would have had they kept and signed Cliff Lee.

  3. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    tom tresh 15
    _____________
    I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you’re dead.

  4. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    So–uh–that funny smell you’ve been smelling around the house the past two years? That would be you.

  5. BIG AL May 25th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    No later than mid-June, the Yankees should consider the numbers being put up by Montero & Vazquez in SWB, and give one or both a shot at producing at the ML level.

    Vazaquez has 17 HR in 166 AB, 43 RBI, OBP of .344, SLG of .633, OPS of .977 and a .301 AVG. What more does he have to do to get a shot? He SO are 28.91% and has 2 E in the field.

    Montero has 3 HR in 151 AB, 17 RBI, OBP of .348, SLG of .424, OPS of .772 and a .311 AVG. He SO 21.85 % and has 1 E in the field.

    Without naming names, I sure we all can point to players on the 25 man that can’t touch those numbers, and if by mid-June they haven’t brought their numbers up, should be asked to sit, and give a prospect a shot, they’ve earned it to this point, IMO.

  6. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    I’d cal Cash a genius if he could trade Vasquez for a keg of Bud

  7. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    I’d call (damn wireless keyboards)

  8. BIG AL May 25th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    BoJo -

    Why are you so down on Vazquez?

  9. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Quick question on non_Yankee topic.

    WIN 7–Is it worth the upgrade from XP?

  10. MTU May 25th, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Bojo-

    Quick answer. IMO No.

  11. BIG AL May 25th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    BoJo -

    WIN 7 well worth the upgrade over XP, and XP is no longer supported by Microsoft.

  12. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Al–

    Can’t find a spot to play him…#rd and 1st are accounted for..and Mntero and Posada should be DH.

    Can’t play corner OFer spots…and apparently his defense is pretty bad.

    Would be great on Seattle as DH or even Baltimore….or Rays…

  13. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Al–But XP is sooo stable…are the features that much better?

  14. BIG AL May 25th, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    MTU -

    Sorry, but I must disagree. WIN 7 is much faster, and has better security, especially if you upgrade to Exp 9.

  15. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Al–I’ll give it a try. Somebody just donated a former gamer PC to a charity I work with, so I;ll install Win 7 Ultimate 64. Thanks!

    Next –Lotus 1-2-3 and WordPerfect or Office 2010? (JK)

  16. BIG AL May 25th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    BoJo -

    It took me a very long time to give up XP, but once I got use to WIN 7, I’d never go back, just too many things to talk about here. Go on the Microsoft web site and compare features, and run the WIN 7 features to see for yourself.

    Got to run, later.

    Vazquez could be a power PH and PT DH for us in the near future, but, I don’t want to open that can of worms now.

  17. MTU May 25th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Al-

    Sorry. I must counter disagree. Win 7 is much more vulnerable to attack, and my XP machine actually runs faster.

    If you use Win 7 you better have an extremely good virus and spyware protection program
    installed from day 1.

    Agree to disagree on this one Al. Not happy with Win 7. Actually if I were to do it over I’d probably go with a Mac.

  18. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    Can you imagine Vazquez playing in the hitters ballpark that is Baltimore.

  19. BIG AL May 25th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    BoJo -

    Office Pro, bye.

  20. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    See you later Big Al

  21. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Any draft experts out there have any predictions for who the Yanks might take with their first pick (#51) in a couple weeks??

  22. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    “If you use Win 7 you better have an extremely good virus and spyware protection program
    installed from day 1.”

    ————–

    you looking at ‘adult-content’ or something?

    I’ve never even had a hint of a virus or spyware using only free AVG on Win7 64 Premium.

    It doesn’t matter what you use, all OS’s have holes that can be infiltrated with viruses.

    Just ask China (who routinely attacks and hacks some of the most secure sites/networks in the world)

  23. MTU May 25th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    BD-

    Frankie Pelliere had some names up on his Fox Sports site recently.

    Sorry but I don’t have the link.

  24. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    MTU,

    thanks! I’ll see if I can find it.

  25. Tom in N.J. May 25th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    BD:

    Piliere tweeted this a few days ago:

    @FrankiePiliereFrankie Piliere
    Large amount of NYY draft buzz this yr. Hearing Yanks are also heavily in on Dillon Howard & Brandon Martin @ 51. Howard asking big $

  26. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    here is one link (RAB) with some Yankee draft predictons (based on Pelliere’s article)

    http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....tin-48808/

  27. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    thanks Tom – I hope the Yanks can get some first round talent despite sitting at 51.

  28. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    “Howard has a big arm, routinely running his fastball up to 94 with crazy sink this spring, and he also throws a changeup and a curveball.”

    sounds good to me

    sink = good

  29. MTU May 25th, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    BD-

    My XP machine runs faster than my Win7 box even though the Win 7 one has 3 or 4x’s the memory and a quad processor.

    They share the same connection and we frequent the same sites on both.

    I did this for a living and IMO Win 7 sucks.

  30. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    MTU,

    I got ya – I’m pretty well versed in Windows too (as an MCP, though not nearly as much as I used to be)

    I don’t mind 7 at all but I really liked XP too. You could probably tweak 7 a bit but still interesting that it’s so slow for ya.

    Windows 8 next year :)

  31. MTU May 25th, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    BD-

    Mo is better than all the computers in the World put together.

    :)

  32. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    I guess I tweaked XP with all the things possible so I am used to it…but maybe trying something new isn’t so bad.

  33. MTU May 25th, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Have a good evening.

    Later.

  34. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    C Ya MTU

  35. yankeefeminista May 25th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Hail, Mo. Unfortunately, the crowd was pretty dead when the PA announced Mo’s 1000th game.

    That is why Andrew Jones is in the lineup, btw. He murders lefties.

    Betances’ line tonight: 6 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, BB, 10 SO, HR

  36. sunny615 May 25th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Whatever happened to SJ44 and CB?

  37. Hexagenia May 25th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    sitting here watching the re-run of the game on YES, and I am mystified by Freddy. The ball just seems to be floating in there, and yet everyone seems so off balance as they swing and miss over and over. Nice work…I don’t know how you do it Freddy, but keep it up!

  38. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Swisher is getting dangerously close to taking the title of most atrocious OF in the AL East from Crawford. :(

  39. JsDad May 25th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Bojo -

    I have Win 7, and am fairly computer sophisticated.

    It is very frustrating. Lots of errors that are difficult to resolve – e.g., ” you do not have the authority to save a file in this location” and the like. Even though I am the computer administrator and have set the location to give me full privileges.

    For the first time, I am considering recommending a Mac to people I know. The advantages of Win7 do not seem to outweigh its problems.

    Supposedly, MSFT fixed Vista’s annoying problems with this OS. I don’t think so.

    It is marginally tolerable, at best. Disappointing. Can’t rely on it to be easy to use. And a consumer product shouldn’t require an MIT degree to use (and I have one).

  40. yankeefeminista May 25th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    Garcia was amazing to watch live; he was masterful at mixing up his pitches. I believe he threw six different pitches. He got Bautista to ground out on a 3rd splitter in a row. He pitched a gem. Sorry I got home to late to watch the replay. I’d pay to watch this game again.

  41. yankeefeminista May 25th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    *too*

  42. Hexagenia May 25th, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    yankeefem–jealous you were at the game while I pined away in the office watching espn.com boxscore updates !!

  43. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    LGY May 25th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Swisher is getting dangerously close to taking the title of most atrocious OF in the AL East from Crawford.

    ***********

    LGY this is a thread about Mo. Why are you changing the subject?

  44. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    LGY May 25th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
    Mariano’s impact on the Yankee success has been overrated.

    ***************

    Ohhhh. That’s why!

  45. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    I learned on a PC long ago and have been a MAC user for more than a decade now. Why anyone would use a PC and deal with an inferior operating system like Windows is beyond my comprehension.

  46. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Ohhhh. That’s why!

    —————-

    Are you ever going to answer my question?

  47. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Mac or no Mac,

    one thing I am sure of is that WCYF is the last person you want to take computer/OS advice from.

    try both out and see what you like.

  48. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Why would you say that Dave? Do you have any idea what my computer expertise or experience is? No, you don’t do you.

  49. yankeefeminista May 25th, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    Hexagenia May 25th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
    yankeefem–jealous you were at the game while I pined away in the office watching espn.com boxscore updates !!
    ______
    Sorry to hear that, Hexagenia. Freddy put on a clinic. I just wish I had caught the replay to see the little things I missed while at the game.

  50. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    LGY May 25th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Are you ever going to answer my question?

    *************************

    What question is that? You want to know why you have been ridiculed for saying that “Mariano Rivera’s impact on the Yankee success has been overrated.”

    Can’t help you there. Dig deep!

  51. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    WCYF,

    I read what you had to write on this topic on a previous day and it didn’t take a rocket scientist to know that people shouldn’t make decisions based on your input.

    stick to complaining about the yankees. you’re really good at that. operating systems? not so much.

  52. tom tresh 15 May 25th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Sure your name isn’t Bozo

  53. Tom in N.J. May 25th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    How can somebody be so dense and proud of it?

  54. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    What question is that? You want to know why you have been ridiculed for saying that “Mariano Rivera’s impact on the Yankee success has been overrated.”

    ————–

    What makes Mariano Rivera more valuable to the Yankee dynasty than Jeter, Bernie, or Andy.

    I also hope you realize this isn’t some new stand I am taking on Mo. I have said this for many years and on this board many times. But feel free to carry on.

  55. G-C May 25th, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    LGY,

    You’re absolutely right.

    I would just move on. Tough to change people’s minds on this one.

  56. Hexagenia May 25th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    I watched that “Mariano’s impact on the Yankee success has been overrated” thread unfold earlier today (umm, well, only on duly authorized work breaks, of course) and I was puzzled by the (over) reaction. No one was saying Mo’s lousy or that Mo himself was overrated. I think the premise was along the lines that a really, really good everyday position player who produces runs on offense and prevents runs on defense day in day out is more valuable than a really good (or even great or even G.O.A.T.) relief pitcher.

    Seemed like a worthy topic for discussion.

  57. yankeefeminista May 25th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Vazquez K’s too much, has an abysmal OBP, and can’t field…

  58. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    G-C

    tbh, I am genuinely curious to see if WC is capable of forming a coherent argument.

  59. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    “Vazquez K’s too much, has an abysmal OBP, and can’t field…”

    ————–

    yankeefeminista,

    keep one: Vazquez or Miranda?

  60. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Obviously you are misinformed Boston. But hey knock your socks off get a PC! Enjoy the viruses! And by the way, why on earth would anyone get a PC when you can run native Windows on a MAC? And it’s faster! And how many times do you have to reboot? I can’t remember the last time I did. Months ago maybe. And poor PC’s – no multi-touch technology, pinch, rotate, swipe, scroll. How prehistoric.

  61. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    I’m a big believer in freedom of speech LGY. If it blows your skirt up as a Yankee fan to demean Mariano Rivera and to seek to minimize his contributions to the team. Go ahead!

  62. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    “But hey knock your socks off get a PC! Enjoy the viruses! And by the way, why on earth would anyone get a PC when you can run native Windows on a MAC?”

    ———–

    a) havent had a virus in 10+ years. though, as apple’s market share increases, get ready for some spyware, viruses, and the like. you’re a fool if you think Mac OS is impervious to them.

    b) why buy a Mac for double the $$ when you can install Mac OS on pretty much any PC?

    c) I don’t need to reboot either.

    we will agree to disagree on this one. I am NOT knocking Mac OS in any way. I am not even saying Windows is better.

    But there are two things I am sure of. Macs do cost more and you are the last person anyone should be taking advice from on this topic.

    /end

  63. G-C May 25th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    WCYF,

    I’ve been following these posts all day.

    Not ONCE has LGY diminished or demeaned Mariano Rivera.

    The fact is, a reliever who throws 60-70 innings a year, even 60-70 EXCEPTIONAL innings, as Mariano Rivera has made look all too easy throughout his career year in and year out, is not as valuable as HOF level position players like Bernie Williams and Derek Jeter.

  64. Niblick May 25th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Yankeefem: did you mean Swisher, rather than Vazquez?

  65. yankeefeminista May 25th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Miranda’s a lefty. So for us, I’d likely take Miranda. He also actually walks and has a solid OBP.

  66. Tom in N.J. May 25th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Mac’s got a malware problem:

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.co.....lware.html

  67. yankeefeminista May 25th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    Niblick May 25th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
    Yankeefem: did you mean Swisher, rather than Vazquez?
    ______
    I have seen Vazquez strike out on breaking pitches 4 AB’s in a row in the minors and he was not even close to hitting the ball. On the other hand, when he makes contact, he hits the ball tremendously far. Swisher from the left side is pretty bad, I agree. Although at least he is walking near 15% as a lefty. :shrugs:

  68. blake May 25th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    LGY’s line from earlier is really a good summary…..”Mariano Rivera’s job is to protect what the other players have done for the first 8 innings”. He has done that better than anyone in history but that still doesn’t change the fact that his job is dependent on others doing theirs and getting him a lead to save.

    The amount of innings that Rivera plays in a season…..Jeter and other position players play in about a week.

  69. blake May 25th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    10 ks for Betances…..nice!

  70. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    “10 ks for Betances…..nice!”

    ————-

    very nice.

    would love to see him get on a roll.

  71. yankeefeminista May 25th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    First Avis commercial about the Red Sox fan joining the company, one of best commercials ever. I never tire of it.

    The position player vs. closer argument is pretty inarguable. Obviously an elite closer has less value than an elite position player.

    Speaking of which, the most elite closer who ever lived just entered the game… :)

  72. yankeefeminista May 25th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    RE: Betances, most important things… that he only walked 1 and in spite of K’ing 10 he lasted through the 6th.

  73. Giuseppe Franco May 25th, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Jorge Vazquez would be Shelly Duncan reincarnated – without the forearm smashes.

    He’d hit some long balls, but he’d also strike out a ton and probably hit .200. Too many holes in his swing.

  74. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    yankeefeminista,

    the bleacher creatures commercial isnt so bad either

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

  75. Hexagenia May 25th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    “wicked psyched to be heah. Guys ready to rent some cahs?”

    sorry. just love that commercial

  76. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    Boston I could care less if anyone takes my advice on computers or not. And by the way, you are wrong when you say they are twice as expensive.

    When you count the innumerable headaches, lousy customer support, and wasted time spent on using a PC, a Mac would turn out to be cheaper. Not to mention the hardware upgrades you would need to keep up.

  77. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    tom tresh 15 May 25th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
    Sure your name isn’t Bozo
    ______
    He’s an uncle and role model :-)

    Thanks to everyone for the input on the OS question. Since it is a donated PC, my choices would be XP (stable), Win 7, or MAC OS.

    Since I have tons of PC apps (Adobe Master Suite, MS Office, many, many more), MAC OS is off the list.

    And I’m going to give WIN 7 a try..I have plenty of virus protection apps so no worries there. As I said earlier, trying something new is probably a good thing.

  78. yankeefeminista May 25th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
    yankeefeminista,

    the bleacher creatures commercial isnt so bad either

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=relate
    _________
    Hexagenia May 25th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
    “wicked psyched to be heah. Guys ready to rent some cahs?”
    ________
    Yes, like the Creatures one as well, but the other one is so subtle and brilliant. :)

    sorry. just love that commercial

  79. Irreverent Discourse May 25th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Windows 7 is completely stable and the vulnerabilities everyone is afraid of lie in the browser/flash/pdf applications, not the operating system itself. It is a ridiculous upgrade over XP and should be done immediately on anything faster than a p4 and 1gb of ram. There is no reason to hesitate unless you have really old hardware.

    “Viruses” as they were don’t exist anymore. Everything you pick up these days is some form of spy/malware with the core concept being keeping your computer functional and online while infected. Antivirus programs are a bad joke and only slow down computers with their “active real-time scanners”. A well locked down browser (firefox+adblock+noscript is really tough to crack), weekly malwarebytes scans and BEING CAREFUL on the internet are the only ways to stay clean.

    I don’t claim to be an expert, but I do IT security as my job.

    It not surprise me at all that WCYF is a mac fanboy… it fits his personality to a T.

  80. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    G-C, how on earth is saying “Mariano Rivera’s impact on the Yankee success has been overrated,” not diminishing or demeaning Mariano Rivera?

    Really?

  81. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    “It not surprise me at all that WCYF is a mac fanboy… it fits his personality to a T.”

    ————

    seriously.

  82. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    I guess at this point it is safe to conclude that WC is not capable of forming a coherent argument on this issue.

    Oh well.

  83. Giuseppe Franco May 25th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    FYI, I hope you have a significant amount of RAM if you are going to upgrade to Win 7.

    I’ve had Win 7 installed on my system for a year now (after years of using Win XP) and it does tend to be a resource hog.

    Vista was the same way.

  84. blake May 25th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    “May 25, 2011 at 9:53 pm G-C, how on earth is saying “Mariano Rivera’s impact on the Yankee success has been overrated,” not diminishing or demeaning Mariano Rivera?”

    That wasn’t the goal of the discussion though….from anybody I read talking about it.

    Overrated is a relative term to what you’re comparing his impact to…..

  85. Hexagenia May 25th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    G-C, how on earth is saying “Mariano Rivera’s impact on the Yankee success has been overrated,” not diminishing or demeaning Mariano Rivera?

    Really?
    ==========

    Well, I don’t see anything in the sentence that demeans or diminishes Mariano. If anything, it addresses those who do the overrating.

    Mariano is absolutely the greatest ever. But he is not the MVP of his era.

  86. tyanksfan36 May 25th, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Yankeefem

    I got your email. At least I hope it was you that sent it.

    I saw who I am about 99% sure was Cito Culver at the Tampa Yankees game the other day. If it wasn’t him then he has a twin running around. He had a brace on his right hand. I saw on a story on scout.com that he wasn’t in the lineup for that mornings game but I haven’t heard anything about an injury so maybe it was a precautionary thing.

  87. Tom in N.J. May 25th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    In the context of the larger conversation from earlier today, it neither demeans nor diminishes what Mo has done as a Yankee. LGY was saying that Mo comes in and closes games. Games that the Yankees pitchers have gotten, usually, 24 previous outs and Yankee hitters have scored more runs than the other team. Mo comes in, gets three outs and ends the games. He’s automatic, awesome, evergreen and the best ever at doing that. And I love the guy. But still, it’s 3 outs. With a lead.

  88. Irreverent Discourse May 25th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    It’s very simple…

    Anyone can use a Mac.
    It is specifically designed for this.
    You are “fisher price’d” in so you can’t really mess up anything in the OS itself without trying really hard.

    You have to know how to use a PC.
    Otherwise you break it like any other sophisticated piece of technology you don’t know how to use.

    That makes mac’s more accessible to the common consumer, not more powerful or more useful than their windows counterparts. Any advantage in software that Apple had disappeared years ago with the cross-platforming of the operating systems. The mainstreaming of their products will only cause hackers to turn their eye towards macs, and you can see (well I can, it’s my job) that is happening now and malware on macs is becoming more prevalent.

    What OSX is not ready for is an onslaught of hackers, it hasn’t been beaten into submission like windows has so its security is a joke. The more popular the OS becomes, the better of a target it becomes for hackers.

    When it holds less than 10% of all desktop market share its not really worth the bother. Much in the same way no one wants to steal your Prius.

  89. AldotheApache May 25th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    When you count the innumerable headaches, lousy customer support, and wasted time spent on using a PC, a Mac would turn out to be cheaper. Not to mention the hardware upgrades you would need to keep up.

    ———–

    Been using Win 7 almost since its inception. No headaches, no calls to customer service, no reboots, nonproblems at all. Just the time to learn new features.

    I’m sure MACs are great. But PCs do it for me just fine, and at a fraction of the price.

    And PCs apparently don’t make me feel compelled to talk down to people.

  90. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    I’m not at all interested in participating in or enabling others attempts to squirm away from an absolutely ludicrous contention.

  91. Irreverent Discourse May 25th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    Did I mention I hate day games? :(

  92. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    System came with
    Sigma Innovations La Vie chasis
    ASRock 4780G XE/128M motherboard
    Sigma KY-600ATX battery
    8GB Patriot DDDR2 800MHz RAM
    AMD processor to be determined
    CD/DVD/BR
    Netgear Rangemax WN311B wireless LAN adapter
    Western Digital WD1500 1.5TB HDD
    Dell 1700 monitor

    I have to figure out how to expose the processor so I can see what it is…

  93. Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    G-C May 25th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    WCYF,

    I’ve been following these posts all day.

    Not ONCE has LGY diminished or demeaned Mariano Rivera.

    The fact is, a reliever who throws 60-70 innings a year, even 60-70 EXCEPTIONAL innings, as Mariano Rivera has made look all too easy throughout his career year in and year out, is not as valuable as HOF level position players like Bernie Williams and Derek Jeter.
    ====================================

    G-C,

    I wouldn’t pay WCYF any mind; he’s just trolling.

    I’m tempted to agree with you about Rivera and LGY, but I think that you may be taking it a bit too far. A pitcher in the bullpen like Rivera can have an out-sized impact on the game, casting a shadow on events as early as the seventh inning, as teams start to count the outs remaining until Rivera comes into the game. Obviously, this effect can be and has been overstated. Is Rivera the most important Yankee of the last 15 years? He’s definitely one of them. And there is no question in my mind that he was the single-most valuable player on the 1996 team. Still, it’s hard to discount Jeter’s role as a leader on the club. Bernie always was wildly underrated; so was Andy without whom the Yanks have yet to demonstrate that they can win a title in the last 15 years; and Paulie always seemed to come up with the big hit. We’ve had a to cheer for as Yankee fans since 1994.

  94. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Irreverent Discourse – When you say no one wants to steal your Prius you are distorting things as you are wont to do. They want to steal your Prius – but they can’t do so easily. A Prius can not be hot wired, so the only way to steal one is to have the key and drive it away, or tow it.

  95. Tar May 25th, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    “The Yankees reacquired righty reliever Kanekoa Texeira”

    Now if LoHud can reacquire m, all things will be Maika’i.

  96. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Trolling? Right. By calling you out on your mind numbingly stupid contention about Mo. I’ll take my position any day.

  97. Giuseppe Franco May 25th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    # BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    System came with
    Sigma Innovations La Vie chasis
    ASRock 4780G XE/128M motherboard
    Sigma KY-600ATX battery
    8GB Patriot DDDR2 800MHz RAM
    AMD processor to be determined
    CD/DVD/BR
    Netgear Rangemax WN311B wireless LAN adapter
    Western Digital WD1500 1.5TB HDD
    Dell 1700 monitor

    I have to figure out how to expose the processor so I can see what it is…

    ———–

    You should be able to run Win 7 with no issues. Just make sure you download the Win 7 drivers to your hardware before you upgrade.

    Like Aldo, I haven’t had any issues whatsoever with Win 7 and I’ve been using it everyday for the last year.

  98. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    By the way, if anyone would like to donate a 20″+ wide screen flat monitor to a charity, let me know. I am working with a group that is using the system to gather info on the needs of hungry and homeless in New Haven, so we can coordinate the contributions of churches and charities to the specific needs of the needy.

  99. Irreverent Discourse May 25th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    That’s an ASRock A780GXE/128M motherboard, took me a minute to figure out what was wrong there lol…

    8GB of ram is a lot… Judging by the rest of the build it’s probably some form of Athlon X2 Dual-Core. Probably a 64bit one at that.

    Go with 7, you will be happy. Make sure you get a 64bit version of Windows 7 so you can utilize your ram (32bit can only use 3.5GB of ram).

    If you install tons of crap and it slows down, don’t blame me :)

  100. Tom in N.J. May 25th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    “In a recently screened BBC documentary, UK neuroscientists suggested that the brains of Apple devotees are stimulated by Apple imagery in the same way that the brains of religious people are stimulated by religious imagery.”

    http://www.digitaltrends.com/c.....cientists/

  101. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    Thanks for reposting my Mo comment! Now even more people and seen it and agreed with me. :D

  102. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    Thanks again to all for the input.

  103. BD (Boston Dave) May 25th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    ID,

    well said – far better than I could have said it.

    I simply tell people it’s a matter of preference. Try both and decide what you like… but make sure you like the Mac enough to pay more for it.

    I am big fan of apple products, just favor Windows personally for reasons you stated.

    I bought my car in cash thanks to profits from apple stock… I’ll always have a place in my heart for apple :)

  104. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    8GB of ram is a lot… Judging by the rest of the build it’s probably some form of Athlon X2 Dual-Core. Probably a 64bit one at that.
    ___________
    I’m pretty sure it is…just have to figure how to open the fan without breaking it.

  105. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Wouldn’t squirming be refusing to put forth a simple counter argument? :???:

  106. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    BD – well we can agree on one thing, Apple stock. One of the advantages to being a “fanboy” as you call me, is the love I realized I had for all things Apple at $28 a share many, many years ago.

  107. Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Bojo,

    Did everything work out as planned?

  108. PittsburghYankeeFan May 25th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Mac versus PC..kind of like Yankees versus Red Sox (yeah, let’s rent some cahs).

    Viruses in Mac? Unlikely, since everything is going tablet, and please explain how the iOS is vulnerable. It has 80% market share and where’s the malware? Right, it’s on open source Android.

    Cost? Add in software for the PC (the Mac gets a lot for free upfront) and the cost differential is not that great. A Macbook Air (which does 99% of what anybody would want, is light at 2.3 lbs) is about $800-900. The free software you get (iLife, etc) is worth about $200-300.

    Win7 is perfectly fine. In fact, I run it on the Mac in BootCamp (yes, you can run both on a Mac, but need some fair sophistication to turn a PC into a Hackintosh). But I would never go back at this point. Plus, an iPad also does most of what I want anyway.

    Enough computers. Mo Rivera–one of the all time greats. Who else is the MVP of his era? Name some names for discussion.

  109. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Tar

    Have you see how highly I have spoke about Jeter today!?

  110. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    LGY – don’t get too excited about a small handful of people who agree with you. I challenge you to lay that statement out there again on the next game thread and tally the results.

  111. Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    LGY,

    What say you about Rivera on the 1996 team?

  112. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    LGY –don’t get too excited about a small handful of people who agree with you. I challenge you to lay that statement out there again on the next game thread and tally the results

    —-

    I challenge you…TO A DUEL!

  113. Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    LGY May 25th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    LGY –don’t get too excited about a small handful of people who agree with you. I challenge you to lay that statement out there again on the next game thread and tally the results

    —-

    I challenge you…TO A DUEL!
    ===========================================
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQNHBUqfLnM

  114. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
    Bojo,

    Did everything work out as planned?
    _____
    Yes!

    Thank you for the follow up!

  115. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Accepted. Details later – dinner calls.

  116. Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Good deal.

  117. Tom in N.J. May 25th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    LGY demands satisfaction!

  118. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Ghost

    I’d go with Bernie in 96

  119. Irreverent Discourse May 25th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    please explain how the iOS is vulnerable

    Something like 30% of all Apple store apps are infected with usage tracking software and spyware. They just call it a “feature” in the Apple-world. Was it only 2 weeks ago they found unencrypted files with location data in iOS? This is the lax oversight I’m talking about with due to inexperience.

    “Everything going tablet” is another ridiculous falsehood being perpetuated by Apple and it’s community of sheep. It’s hilarious to me that the iPad is supposed to “eliminate the need for a computer”… yet the first thing you have to do when you take it out of the box? Plug it into a computer.

    Most people that champion Mac over PC use their computer as a web browser and media center/photo album, and nothing more. There’s nothing wrong with that, but don’t assume that you even understand the limits and capabilities of the Mac OS let alone Windows. That’s why things like a Macbook Air and netbooks are popular, they gives small feature sets that can’t get cluttered because they aren’t powerful enough to be. Buying a Macbook Air for $900 is paying for every bit of that “free $250 in software”. The hardware is barely worth $300, it’s a netbook with an Apple on it.

  120. Hexagenia May 25th, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    assuming the market for ballplayers is efficient, could we not then look up player salaries and see whether teams are willing to pay more for great position players than great relievers and then come to some conclusions about relative value?

  121. yankeefeminista May 25th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    tyanks, yes I responded to your initial email. Hopefully, Cito’s injury is minor.

    jnorris427 Josh Norris
    Mark Newman says #Yankees catching prospect Gary Sanchez has a “sore back.”

    Hopefully, nothing chronic.

  122. Jackson May 25th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    LGY May 25th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
    LGY –don’t get too excited about a small handful of people who agree with you. I challenge you to lay that statement out there again on the next game thread and tally the results

    —-

    I challenge you…TO A DUEL!

    -

    Bad idea.

  123. Irreverent Discourse May 25th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Sorry, I’m just not interested in debating Mo’s accomplishments. I’m gonna go watch the late games and find something else to talk about :)

  124. Jackson May 25th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Cito flew to NY the other day to get his wrist checked out and he said all checked out OK. Not sure what they thought was wrong with it but he seemed pretty pumped to get back to Tampa with those results.

  125. yankeefeminista May 25th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Trenton won in extra innings. That team just can’t lose.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....x_reaaax_1

  126. yankeefeminista May 25th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Good news about Cito.

  127. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    ID, GF, Aldo, and Boston Dave et al–thanks for the inputs!

  128. Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    LGY May 25th, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    Ghost

    I’d go with Bernie in 96
    ===========================

    Bernie had an amazing year in 1996. Still he only placed seventeenth in the MVP balloting, while Rivera was twelfth. Of course this simply underscores the fact Bernie was underrated–it’s quite remarkable that Bernie never placed higher than tenth in MVP balloting, considering the monster years that he had.

    Obviously, this is one of those questions that can never be settled conclusively. However, knowing that you wouldn’t pick Mo in ’96 gives me a gauge of where you are on this. How about the ’99 Series? Is MO the MVP?

  129. tyanksfan36 May 25th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Jackson

    Where did you read that?

    I knew it was him. The guy just looked too much like Cito to not be him and the fact he is here in extended, I was tempted to go ask him to sign something for me but he was with a bunch of other guys from extended I assume and I was too chicken to do it.

  130. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Ghost

    Just the WS?

  131. Jackson May 25th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Betances was in beast mode. Outstanding to see, or listen to really.

  132. Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Yeah, just the WS. It’s clear that you don’t think that an extremely dominant reliever can be the MVP on a club over the course of a season. So, now I wonder about over the course of a 7-game series.

  133. Bronx Jeers May 25th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    The Starbucks crowd definitely prefers Apple. Walk into one with anything less than a MacBook Pro and it’s like you just laid a giant turd on the espresso machine. I hate that Starbucks turned NY into a loiter with your coffee kind of place. It ain’t Europe.

    I get the whole thing with people not considering Mo the most valuable with the innings and his role and the WAR etc… but I wouldn’t call the guy overrated.

  134. Jackson May 25th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    tyanks,

    On Twitter. He’s yaboicito.

  135. MG May 25th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    it’s pretty funny that on a day when the Yankees take the rubber game of a 3 game series with a division rival that this blog spends most of its time on two topics for which there is no definitive answer.

    But I will admit getting a good laugh out of seeing one poster fight with everyone today over both subjects and get completely throttled, particularly when he took a position about Marcus Thames’ performance last year as a reason for Cashman making a mistake in not signing him even though Thames is having a lousy year for the Dodgers when it seems like yesterday he proclaimed that ‘past performance (even a month ago) means nothing, it’s only what happens today’ Epic…

  136. Tar May 25th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    ‘Have you see how highly I have spoke about Jeter today!?”

    No I ignored the blog because I DVR the game. Should I be proud? :D

  137. Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    MG May 25th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    it’s pretty funny that on a day when the Yankees take the rubber game of a 3 game series with a division rival that this blog spends most of its time on two topics for which there is no definitive answer.

    ===============================

    The Yanks have won 2 series in a row, and 7 out of their last 10. Things are looking up!

    I actually find this question to be pretty interesting and thought-provoking. I think that part of the fun is knowing that there really is no definitive answer or way of a making a conclusive argument.

  138. tyanksfan36 May 25th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Jackson

    Thanks, don’t know how I missed that. I follow him on Twitter too, probably got lost in my timeline.

  139. Tom in N.J. May 25th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Interesting stuff:

    http://www.baseball-reference......ives/11230

  140. MG May 25th, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Here’s my 2 cents on the ‘who was the Most Valuable Yankee during the dynasty run’:

    None of them and All of Them.

    the brilliance of the Yankees dynasty in the 90′s was that there were so many guys on that team that stepped up when it counted that you can’t just pick one out. They all picked each other up and the team as a whole was far better than the individual parts. Bernie often came up big in the playoffs but so did Brosius, Jeter, O’Neill and many of the bench players-they don’t win the ’96 series without Jim Leyritz taking Mark Wohlers deep and maybe don’t beat San Diego so easily without the Brosius late bombs.

    I think focusing on one player other another just gets in the way of enjoying a very special time in Yankees history, we may never see another 5 year period like 1996-2000 again with the expansion of the playoff system.

  141. Tom in N.J. May 25th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    The perfect gift for those that have, well, everything:

    Severed head of genital disease saint for sale in Ireland

    Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.....z1NQMP9SS3

  142. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    MG May 25th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
    _________
    I agree

  143. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    A decapitated head, said to be that of St Vitalis of Assisi, the patron saint of genital diseases,
    _______________
    Does one actually apply for that title?

  144. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    Ghost,

    1999 WS is tough to peg who I think is MVP, but I don’t think it was Mo.

    He had three appearances that series. 2 of them came in 4-1 games so those easy saves (Relatively. The added pressure of the WS makes any save a bit tougher, but still he had 3 runs to work with).

    So, really it comes down to Mo’s 2 innings in Game 3. To be fair, both Grimsley and Nelson put up 2 scoreless frames before Mo’s 2 scoreless. Grimsley actually with 2.1 innings. Also, Mo even pitching in that game was a result of a few huge HR, namely Knoblauch.

    Def don’t think Mo was the MVP of that series. Let me think for a minute of if I had to chose an MVP who I would go with.

  145. Joe from Long Island May 25th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Tom- that was an interesting link.

    I mean, about the BAbip, not the saint of genital diseases thing, you know…..

    Is Derek Jeter underrated? ;)

  146. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Tom in N.J. May 25th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
    The perfect gift for those that have, well, everything:
    ___________
    For those that want a little head before they die?

  147. tyanksfan36 May 25th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Wow Hanley Ramirez just made a great play to get Buster Posey out at first. It was bang bang and they only showed one replay so I’m not sure if he really got him or how close the play was but it was amazing regardless.

  148. Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Tom in N.J. May 25th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Interesting stuff:

    http://www.baseball-reference&.....ives/11230
    ====================================

    It’s pretty remarkable. Still, in a way it’s not surprising. Jeter always seemed to have a knack for flicking the ball into right field, seemingly at will. Further, Jeter always seemed to resist falling into a pattern of pulling the ball. I recall that back in the nineties, I always expected Jeter to develop a power stroke. I don’t think that the fact that he never hit more than 24 homers reflected a lack of physical ability to hit for power, rather it reflected the desire to get on base often.

  149. Bronx Jeers May 25th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Would anybody pay 1,500$ for the head of Luis Gonzales?

  150. Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    MG May 25th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
    _________
    I agree
    ==============

    Ditto.

  151. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    Knoblauch was pretty huge in the 99 series. I’m going to go with him.

    On the pitching side, El Duque, Clemens, and Cone were all fantastic. I would go with El Duque though.

    That game was just a great duel. He gave up 1 run, but he hung in there and just kept putting up zeros just waiting for the offense to come through. He went toe to toe with Maddux.

  152. Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    LGY May 25th, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    I forgot about El Duque! He was such a terrific addition to that club!

  153. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    El Duque went 7 innings, ONE hit, 10 Ks in Game 1.

    That was simply an awesome pitching performance.

    That’s gotta be more impressive than what Mo did in 99, right?

  154. Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Knobby was pretty huge in that series, and he was terrific in the ’98 Series.

  155. Rich in NJ May 25th, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    I’m going with Clay Bellinger. No other player exemplified the marginal smallball skills and hustle that so many fans love.

  156. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 11:32 pm

    Looking back at some of the stats from 99, I can’t even believe how good Duque was.

    4 GS, 30 IP, 1.20 ERA, 0.97 WHIP

    If you add up 98 and 99, 6 GS, 44 IP, 1.02 ERA, 0.97 WHIP

    Dude beasted the 98 and 99 playoffs.

  157. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    I was so sad when El Duque’s run with the Yankees came to an end.

    I have mocked ‘clutch’ at times, but Orlando Hernandez was the definition of clutch.

  158. BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    To think, El Duque’s best days were probably already behind him when he joined the team. He was supposedly incredible when younger.

  159. Rich in NJ May 25th, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    A 2.55 playoff ERA v. a 4.13 regular season ERA, yup.

  160. Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    GY May 25th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    El Duque went 7 innings, ONE hit, 10 Ks in Game 1.

    That was simply an awesome pitching performance.

    That’s gotta be more impressive than what Mo did in 99, right?

    ===================================

    No, sorry, I still go with Mo. I don’t think that it’s as simple as comparing number of IP, and declaring a winner. Obviously, Duque’s performance was an instant WS classic (it would be fun to watch that game again–I haven’t seen it since it happened in ’98). However, Mo’s 4.2 innings came at moments of maximum leverage for the Yanks. And there’s the effect–the extra pressure on the Braves’ hitters in the seventh and eighth innings, knowing that Rivera was about to entier the game) that isn’t readily apparent in the box scores.

    And Mo’s effect on the ’96 team was greater still. The Yanks pitching on that club was pretty marginal, and probably not good enough for a WS contender. Rivera made it good enough. Go look at their team pitching stats that year, and remove Rivera from the mix: Instead of 107 IP and only 25 ER allowed, imagine those 107 IP with 55 ER allowed. Without Rivera, they probably lose another 4 or 5 games that year that they otherwise might have won. They may not even win the AL East, and have to travel to Cleveland to face a very tough club…. My recollection of that year is that Rivera’s presence was ubiquitous.

  161. LGY May 25th, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    Ghost

    2 out of Mo’s 3 appearances in the 99 Series came in 4-1 games.

    Those are not really high leverage spots.

  162. Ghostwriter May 25th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    BoJo May 25th, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    To think, El Duque’s best days were probably already behind him when he joined the team. He was supposedly incredible when younger.
    ==================

    He mus have been absolutely AMAZING. He was so good when we had him; he knew every trick in the book on how to win ballgames. A poor man’s Mike Mussina, and a pure winner.

  163. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Interesting take MG since I clearly won both arguments hands down. If you want to endorse demeaning Mariano go ahead you are the one that looks like the fool. I’ll bet you if you ask 1,000 impartial fans and not those here with an agenda my position wins in a landslide.

    What Marcus Thames has done this year in a different league, with a different team, in a different ballpark has zero to do with anything. After Thames good year in 2010, I would have made every effort to retain him. I evaluated him then, based on his performance then.

    Better luck next time!

  164. Jerkface May 25th, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    I challenge you…TO A DUEL!
    -
    Accepted. Details later – dinner calls.

    I’ll stand for the dwarf

  165. West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Didn’t realize LGY was a dwarf Jerkface. That’s not a very kind way for you to refer to a fellow stat geek.

  166. Ghostwriter May 26th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    In game 3,he came into a 5-5 tie, and pitched 2 shut innings to earn the 6-5 win.

    In game 4, he faced Chipper Jones in the eight with runners on first and third, with a 4-1 lead.

    The game 1 save was considerably less stressful, coming on in the eighth with a 4-1 lead and a runner on first to face a pinch-hitter.

    In other words, he basically won 2 of the 4 games of the series.

  167. Rob_NY May 26th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    WCYF — who was more valuable to the Yankees’ success from 96-00 Derek Jeter or Mariano Rivera? If starting a franchise in 96 which would you pick?

    The debate is whether Mo is the MVP of that era. Many people think he was, that’s why he is overrated. HoF Short Stop is worth much more than HoF reliever. That’s not demeaning.

  168. Ghostwriter May 26th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    After Thames good year in 2010, I would have made every effort to retain him. I evaluated him then, based on his performance then.

    =====================================

    Really?? You’ve never been shy about offering your opinion in the past–repeatedly offering your opinion. I don’t seem to recall you railing against Cashman for letting Thames walk. Perhaps my memory is faulty. Perhaps you can provide links indicating that you would have made every effort to have kept Thames.

  169. LGY May 26th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    “In other words, he basically won 2 of the 4 games of the series.”

    ————–

    How?

    Game 3, two pitchers before him pitched just as well. His performance that game was not unique. The offense won that game coming back to overcome a poor pitching performance.

    In game 4, he got one tough out. The Yankees had an 85% win expectancy when he entered the game. He got that one tough out in the 8th and then had a clean 9th to work with 3 runs.

  170. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 12:08 am

    Didn’t realize LGY was a dwarf Jerkface. That’s not a very kind way for you to refer to a fellow stat geek.

    I’m offering to Champion for you.

  171. Ghostwriter May 26th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    LGY May 26th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    “In other words, he basically won 2 of the 4 games of the series.”

    ————–

    How?

    Game 3, two pitchers before him pitched just as well. His performance that game was not unique. The offense won that game coming back to overcome a poor pitching performance.

    In game 4, he got one tough out. The Yankees had an 85% win expectancy when he entered the game. He got that one tough out in the 8th and then had a clean 9th to work with 3 runs.
    =============================

    They were high leverage situations–the marginal innings during which the games were essentially decided. Games are decided at the margin. In game 4, getting Jones won the game for the Yanks, even though it was only 1 out of the 27 outs required to win the game. And his performance during game 3 speaks for itself.

  172. LGY May 26th, 2011 at 12:19 am

    Even if Jones singled, the Yankees would have still be ahead 3-2 at the time.

    7.2 innings of 1 run ball from Roger Clemens and a 2 run single by Tino were both much more important than Mo getting one out with runners on 1st and 3rd in a 2 run game.

    Tino’s 2 run single in the 3rd inning added 14% to the Yankee win probability in that game. Mo got one big out. Clemens held the Braves down for 23 outs before he even entered the game.

  173. Rob_NY May 26th, 2011 at 12:24 am

    ” 7.2 innings of 1 run ball from Roger Clemens and a 2 run single by Tino were both much more important than Mo getting one out with runners on 1st and 3rd in a 2 run game. ”

    If I take your meaning it’s not that Mariono’s work here wasn’t great. He did something a lot of other relievers couldn’t have done. But relative to other contributions in the game it wasn’t the most important. That’s why he can be overrated by some.

  174. LGY May 26th, 2011 at 12:27 am

    Absolutely.

    Mo pitched great in 99 like he usually does in the postseason. But, other players contributions were all more important in the 3 games he pitched in.

  175. Rob_NY May 26th, 2011 at 12:30 am

    I think that’s what seems to be… Confusing to some. Nobody is arguing what Mo did wasn’t fantastic or that any old reliever could have done it. Greatest Reliever of All Time. But the nature of a relief pitcher’s job is such that his impact isn’t that great when compared to starters or position players.

  176. West Coast Yankee Fan May 26th, 2011 at 12:33 am

    Rob_NY May 26th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    WCYF — who was more valuable to the Yankees’ success from 96-00 Derek Jeter or Mariano Rivera? If starting a franchise in 96 which would you pick?

    The debate is whether Mo is the MVP of that era. Many people think he was, that’s why he is overrated. HoF Short Stop is worth much more than HoF reliever. That’s not demeaning.

    ***********

    That was not the debate that I took part in. The comment stood alone.

    “Mariano’s impact on the Yankee success has been overrated.”

    That is a completely idiotic statement.

  177. Rob_NY May 26th, 2011 at 12:37 am

    WCYF– you’re taking a bald assertion without all of the explanatory context and acting like that’s all the conversation was about. If that one sentence fragment is all you’re willing to talk about it I guess you can have fun with that.

  178. West Coast Yankee Fan May 26th, 2011 at 12:45 am

    Mariano had 166 saves in the last 5 world championship seasons and saved 8 games in those world series.

    I’m sorry you think that justifies the position that “Mariano’s impact on the Yankee success has been overrated.”

    I bet that an overwhelming number of Yankee fans would not agree with you.

    Mariano has had 14 six-out saves in a postseason game since he became the closer in 1996. That’s three more than all the other closers in baseball combined!

    The objective is to win world championships and to think that we would have won those 5 without Mo is absurd.

  179. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 12:48 am

    The objective is to win world championships and to think that we would have won those 5 without Mo is absurd.

    To think that Mo is the sole reason the Yankees won those championships, or was the most important reason is absurd.

  180. Nick in SF May 26th, 2011 at 12:59 am

    “Interesting take MG since I clearly won both arguments hands down.”

    Wrong again, it was I that won each of today’s arguments by general acclaim and consent. Ask a thousand people who agree with me and you will see your folly. Your delusions are spectacular!

    (That’s how it works, right? Just declare yourself the winner of something and equate keyboard bravado with righteousness?)

  181. Rich in NJ May 26th, 2011 at 1:09 am

    WCYF’s nonsensical posts are like a bad political ad where they take a statement by the opposing side out of context in order to distort its meaning, because on the merits, they have nothing of value to say.

  182. West Coast Yankee Fan May 26th, 2011 at 1:09 am

    No Nick.I’m just right. :)

  183. West Coast Yankee Fan May 26th, 2011 at 1:10 am

    Rich – I took nothing out of context. This was the EXACT QUOTE:

    “Mariano’s impact on the Yankee success has been overrated.”

  184. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 1:11 am

    You took it out of context of the ongoing debate at the time. Where people are suggesting Mariano was/is more important than Derek Jeter or a .900 OPS centerfielder.

  185. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 1:13 am

    The Red Sox managed to find a closer pretty easy after Foulke, has taken them years and they still don’t have a SS.

  186. Nick in SF May 26th, 2011 at 1:14 am

    Harumph, bluster, grrr, grrrrr, grrr, yeeeeaahhhhhhhhh!

    That’s abut the intellectual content of the WCYF ‘argument’.

    You have to think he knows perfectly well how vapid it all is, but then again one should never assume.

  187. West Coast Yankee Fan May 26th, 2011 at 1:15 am

    Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 12:48 am

    To think that Mo is the sole reason the Yankees won those championships, or was the most important reason is absurd.

    **********

    Typical Jerface garbage, misrepresenting what I said. What I actually said above was this.

    “The objective is to win world championships and to think that we would have won those 5 without Mo is absurd.”

    Did I say “sole” reason”. No. Did I say “most important reason”? No.

    Tell the truth next time Jerkface. Or don’t.

  188. West Coast Yankee Fan May 26th, 2011 at 1:15 am

    Anyone else want to bash Mo?

  189. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 1:15 am

    Typical Jerface garbage, misrepresenting what I said

    This is amusing due to your lack of self-awareness

  190. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 1:16 am

    Anyone else want to bash Mo?

    Would be the first time today

  191. West Coast Yankee Fan May 26th, 2011 at 1:16 am

    Well Nick you are about as intellectually challenging as a fence post.

  192. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 1:16 am

    Derek Jeter is the most important Yankee of the past 100 years. If you disagree you are bashing Derek Jeter, discuss.

  193. West Coast Yankee Fan May 26th, 2011 at 1:17 am

    Pretty easy holding my own with this crowd. Anyone else?

  194. UnKnown May 26th, 2011 at 1:18 am

    What is going on in Philly is crazy. Charlie using a position player in the 19th of a tie game. And he actually got the reds out. Just craziness

  195. West Coast Yankee Fan May 26th, 2011 at 1:18 am

    Sorry Jerkface I am not enamored with straw men.

  196. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 1:19 am

    But you spend all your time playing with them :|

  197. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 1:20 am

    Derek Jeter and Bernie Williams were more important for the Dynasty Run than Mariano Rivera. Agree or Disagree? be warned, no matter which stance you take, you are bashing a true yankee hall of famer

  198. West Coast Yankee Fan May 26th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Not even remotely clever. This is all the mind numbing excitement that I can take tonight. Goodnight all.

    :|

  199. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Alex Rodriguez was more important for the 09 world series win than Mariano Rivera, discuss.

  200. Nick in SF May 26th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Gotta love Foulke:

    “I’m more embarrassed to walk into this locker room and look at the faces of my teammates than I am to walk out and see Johnny from Burger King booing me.”

    WCYF has won in one respect: he got a bunch of people to argue with him by spewing crap all day. I guess that’s the idea.

  201. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Heh, “I can’t win this argument because I never had one to begin with, BYE GUYS”

  202. Rich in NJ May 26th, 2011 at 1:23 am

    This is what you said during the game thread:

    West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
    The two biggest stat geeks on this blog – the two most ridiculous and idiotic posts ever on this board. I rest my case. Unreal.

    West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
    Read up – the Mariano bashers and haters.
    __

    No one is bashing or hating Mariano.

    It’s overrated in the sense that Jeter and Bernie, two everyday players, one of whom is going to the HoF, the other is a near HoFer, contributed more. It’s just simple arithmetic. A closer doesn’t pitch enough innings in the regular season to be able to have a similar impact as guys who play 155 or so games.

    That’s why your posts are like a bad political ad.

    And your rebuttal:

    West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
    LGY May 25th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Why do people keep closing their cases before actually presenting their argument??

    *************************

    Because one doesn’t need to present their argument that the sun is going to rise the next morning.
    __

    So it’s an article of faith, no facts are necessary.

  203. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 1:26 am

    Oldies but goodies, especially relevant given today’s starter:

    West Coast Yankee Fan May 4th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Jerkface – so much for your Garcia stats from last year. Another example of why what one did last year is irrelevant.

    West Coast Yankee Fan May 4th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Jerkface May 4th, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan, Garcia ends this game with a 3.00 ERA, want to jump back on the bandwagon?

    *********

    My critique was about you and your pulling stats out of the air from a year ago. They mean nothing. What matters is what someone does in the present.

  204. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 1:31 am

    Of course, what Thames did last year is relevant. But only before Andruw Jones hits 2 HRs, then its irrelevant. Or maybe more relevant than ever?

  205. Nick in SF May 26th, 2011 at 1:31 am

    Wilson Valdez, the 2nd baseman filling in for Chase Utley, got the win in that game.

    Marlins cough up 4-run lead to Giants in bottom of 9th.

    Wild, wacky stuff.

  206. Rich in NJ May 26th, 2011 at 1:33 am

    One more to illustrate the out of context nature of WC’s post:

    West Coast Yankee Fan May 25th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
    Jerkface May 25th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Mariano is only a reliever . . .

    ************

    W O W

    but what was actually said was:

    Jerkface May 25th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
    Uh–Cano?
    Uh–Pettitte?
    Uh–Mo?

    Mariano is great, but only a reliever. (Greatest of all time at the position tho)

    WC conveniently left the bold type out in order to further his mendacious bashing/hating smear.

  207. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 1:52 am

    Typical West Coast garbage, misrepresenting what I said.

    Tell the truth next time West Coast. Or don’t.

    Heh, I love the lack of self-awareness. At least when Randy got into nonsensical arguments he had some kind of agenda that was clear to onlookers.

  208. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 2:08 am

    BoJo was right, this entire debate was like a game of telephone. Which is a real coup for West Coast as it implies anyone wants to talk to him on the telephone.

  209. jacksquat May 26th, 2011 at 2:17 am

    Nick in SF May 26th, 2011 at 1:21 am
    Gotta love Foulke:

    “I’m more embarrassed to walk into this locker room and look at the faces of my teammates than I am to walk out and see Johnny from Burger King booing me.”

    That’s nice. Guess which one pays his salary.

  210. BoJo May 26th, 2011 at 2:29 am

    Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 2:08 am
    BoJo was right, this entire debate was like a game of telephone. Which is a real coup for West Coast as it implies anyone wants to talk to him on the telephone.
    _______
    LMAO! Did anyone ever actually call that number given out? :-)

    Now you guys see what I put up with for longer than a year on the Daily News and why I don’t bother anymore. It’s like debating an insane person.

  211. BoJo May 26th, 2011 at 2:37 am

    Thank God for South Park…can get back to reality!

  212. BoJo May 26th, 2011 at 2:48 am

    Cartman: “Ma’am…I don’t make the rules, I just think them up and write them down.”

  213. CompassRosy May 26th, 2011 at 3:53 am

    I’ll put in my two cents on a couple of topics ~

    Even as a Mariner fan, for me, Mo has always been one Yankee who was hard to hate (Bernie was another). It certainly seems a common perception that Mo is in another universe compared to your average closer so, I just wonder, how many games would have been lost instead of won if his save rate was just average instead of other-worldly? Maybe the stats would tell another story, I don’t know … just askin’

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    while in Seattle, beware of Larry Bernandez…

    http://tinyurl.com/3vuyqz9

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    Mac every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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    Really looking forward to the upcoming series at The Safe…
    I’ll be at all three games – can’t wait.

  214. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 4:25 am

    I just wonder, how many games would have been lost instead of won if his save rate was just average instead of other-worldly?

    His save rate isn’t really otherworldly. He consistently saves a good percentage, but Mo’s greatest ability has been longevity and consistency (especially with just 1 pitch). He isn’t a perfect closer, but probably as close as you can get to one. Despite being the greatest of all time, he hasn’t had a perfect season like Lidge or Gagne, but he doesn’t need too, because he was pitching before either and is pitching after both of them are pretty much done. That is the value of Mariano Rivera.

  215. Jerkface May 26th, 2011 at 4:48 am

    The one season where Rivera came closest to being perfect, 08, where he only blew 1 save opp all year, is also the year the yankees didnt make the playoffs. Just saying.

  216. Gary May 26th, 2011 at 6:44 am

    Morning, nice win yesterday taking 2-3 from the Jays, especially after being down in the 9th of game 2 against their closer. Jones had a great game and the longball prevailed again.

    Mo is the man, remember when he first was the setup man for Wettlan, who would have ever known back then that he would have such a great career.

    Facinating watching Swisher right now. Can’t believe that you can swing at a ball any harder. Maybe if he just tried to make contact he would make a contribution. The guy just strikes out to much and doesn’t do the little things you need to. Hope we can find a real RF’er here soon.

  217. GreenBeret7 May 26th, 2011 at 7:14 am

    He’s saved 92% of save opportunities (572 of 624). Looks other worldly to me.

    For the idiot that said Rivera doesn’t hold the 1 year record or has few seasons where he lead the league…there’s a reason for that. He gets fewer opportunities because he’s spent his career pitching for a high powered offense.

    Now, please end this stupid and asinine 20 hour idiot fest.

  218. MaineYankee May 26th, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Jeffrey Maier was the MVP of the 96 play offs.

  219. GreenBeret7 May 26th, 2011 at 7:35 am

    Nah. Maier only caught the ball. Our friend and second right fielder, Rich Garcia is the real MVU (most valuable umpire).

  220. MaineYankee May 26th, 2011 at 7:41 am

    I guess they are co MVP ‘s then.

    See how easy it is to start a fight. :lol:

  221. upstate kate May 26th, 2011 at 7:45 am

    good morning :)
    no fighting no biting this early in the am please!

    Nice win yesterday, even if it did involve HRs! And nice to see Bautista shut down.

    I have to say I feel bad for JoJo Reyes, and I hope he gets a win soon, preferably against the red sox or rays…sorry, I know that is mom talk

  222. GreenBeret7 May 26th, 2011 at 7:49 am

    MaineYankee May 26th, 2011 at 7:41 am
    I guess they are co MVP ‘s then.

    See how easy it is to start a fight.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Yeah, except this one was based on logic and facts.

    That crap yesterday was like 4 morons standing on a street corner challenging each other to a nose picking contest.

  223. MaineYankee May 26th, 2011 at 7:52 am

    kate

    Good morning

    I don’t want the night people to have all the fun. :lol:

    I’m all for him getting wins against the RS and Rays.

    Thats Yankee fan talk. :lol:

  224. MaineYankee May 26th, 2011 at 7:54 am

    GB7

    More like them punching each other to see who hits harder.

  225. GreenBeret7 May 26th, 2011 at 8:01 am

    My twins could hit harder than those four could. Hell, the Minnesota Twins can hit harder than them.

  226. upstate kate May 26th, 2011 at 8:08 am

    GB
    I am going to tell Randy what you said about the model franchise Twins!

  227. GreenBeret7 May 26th, 2011 at 8:09 am

    tattle tale

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