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Jones showing his value

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on May 31, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Two games said a lot about sample size and the potential impact of Andruw Jones.

One week ago, Jones’ job seemed to be in danger. If not in danger, certainly in question. He’d been brought to New York to hit against lefties, and he wasn’t hitting against anyone. He had only 50 plate appearances, but the early results were enough to wonder if Justin Maxwell might be a better right-handed outfield option.

Then Jones went 3-for-3 with two home runs on Wednesday. In his next start, he was 1-for-4 with a key three-run double on Sunday. Jones is hitting .268/.318/.610 against left-handers, which is exactly what he was brought here to do.

“I’m feeling good the last two games, for sure,” Jones said. “I had about 20 at-bats that I wish I could erase, but you have to keep working, keep hanging in there and keep working with K-Long, making adjustments. When they call your name, just go out there and get the job done.”

Two games is hardly a sample size that proves anything, but it’s enough to show the potential of a platoon bat like Jones. It’s enough to show that 50 plate appearances might not be an especially meaningful sample size either. It’s not enough to prove that a player is finished.

The Yankees will probably lean on Jones these next two games. They’re facing two of the best left-handers in the American League in Brett Anderson and Gio Gonzalez. Jones doesn’t have good numbers against either of them — 1-for-10 against Anderson, 1-for-7 against Gonzalez — but if he’s starting to find his swing, he’s probably worth a start.

“We’ve faced some pretty good lefties in our league,” Joe Girardi said. “There are a lot of good lefties in he American League right now. He got off to a hot start, then he went through a little period, but now he’s swinging the bat good and has been very productive. Seven RBI in his last two games, it doesn’t get any better than that.”

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148 Responses to “Jones showing his value”

  1. sunny615 May 31st, 2011 at 11:47 am

    I hope Girardi has the cohones to sit Posada and DH Jones and play Gardner.

  2. Niblick May 31st, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Two games does not a star make.

  3. blake May 31st, 2011 at 11:50 am

    I knew Andrew could do it all along :) (still on thin ice IMO….)

  4. Erin May 31st, 2011 at 11:50 am

    I’m still not a big Jones fan, but at least he’s been showing some signs of life lately.

  5. Erin May 31st, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Yankees Mark Teixeira’s 291 homers are the most by any switch-hitter in history through his first nine years in the Majors. #YankeesFacts

  6. blake May 31st, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Jerkface,

    That may be true….but as long as he throws the ball differently from pitch to pitch he’s going to have trouble with consistency and.avoiding the blowup innings that knock him out early a lot. He can improve that in the big leagues…..but are the Yankees and their fanbase patient enough?

  7. blake May 31st, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Tex is probably on his way to the HOF unless his swing leads to an early sharp decline.

  8. LGY May 31st, 2011 at 11:54 am

    No one said to abandon Nova but the najor leagues in the midst of a pennant race is not the time to be patient developing pitchers at the major league level. If you’re going to need an arm – go get a Colon or Garcia or make a deal for a proven nmber 3 or 4. We have plenty of trade chips. Or deal Nova while he still has value as a starter. See Joba C.

    ——————–

    The Yankees are always going to be in a pennant race.

    You are basically saying the Yankees should never be patient developing pitchers at the major league level which is certainly not a long term recipe for success.

  9. Jerkface May 31st, 2011 at 11:55 am

    .but are the Yankees and their fanbase patient enough?

    Probably not, but I can’t see Nova going to AAA and then coming back to reclaim a spot. He is going to get passed by. He has seemingly forgot the slider/cutter he found in spring training that gave him all his K’s. His velocity is down. I would ride him to the deadline and deal him.

  10. ron May 31st, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Does anybody think we should sell high on colon if we can pull off a trade for a pitcher?

    Hughes,montero,nova for king felix,trade colon & another prospect for a rf/lf???

    CC
    king felix
    burnett
    garcia
    noesi/banuelos/betances.

  11. Tom in N.J. May 31st, 2011 at 11:59 am

    But, the Lohud has told me that Teix isn’t an impact player!

  12. blake May 31st, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Nova could be a great target for a team that has time to let him develop. His upside will be determined by how well he can refine his delievery and how consistent he can be with that breaking ball.

  13. blake May 31st, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Colon would only have trade value to a contender and none of them would be trading a good outfielder for him.

  14. Jerkface May 31st, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Given how well Colon’s pitched, that is kind of a lateral move that also gets rid of our best and only position player prospect near the majors as well as hughes and nova

    so we lose 2 rotation spots to fill it with equal colon production and colon is 38 years old. Who are we trading him for?

  15. austinmac May 31st, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Trading the second best pitcher on the team thus far makes no sense without anyone to replace him. Hughes is a giant question mark as is Noesi, Warren and all the rest.

    Watching Nova pitch makes me think he has enough stuff to succeed, but he doesn’t command it’s location. He is behind too many hitter or grooving it down the middle. He can improve, but his leash is short, as it should be.

  16. Mell May 31st, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    With the draft coming up, some thoughts from a couple FO’s via BP. Sounds maybe good for the Yankees…..and most everyone else in the AL East:

    “Historic Draft My A$$”
    That’s how one front-office official summed up this year’s class, whereas another was more diplomatic, insisting the historic quality of this year’s class an invention of the media and had little basis in reality. This is not a bad draft by any stretch, but it does have its weaknesses. It’s remarkably pitching-heavy, and there are very few hitters that you can dream of being a middle-of-the-order run producer. There are plenty of scenarios where as many as eight of the first 10 picks could be pitchers, and even of those, how many have ace ceilings after Cole and Bundy? “There is a remarkable amount of good in this draft,” said one scouting director, “but we haven’t seen the amount of great we were hoping for.” This draft could turn out to be better for teams picking late in the first round, or those with multiple compensations picks (hello, Rays), as there should be plenty of solid players available, and the talent gap between single- and double-digit selections won’t be as wide

  17. matt1766 May 31st, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Does anybody think we should sell high on colon if we can pull off a trade for a pitcher?

    Hughes,montero,nova for king felix,trade colon & another prospect for a rf/lf???

    CC
    king felix
    burnett
    garcia
    noesi/banuelos/betances.

    _______________________________________

    I am sure Seattlke will do this

    a hurt pitcher that lost his velocity. A prospect that defensive skills are in question and a starting pitcher that cant get by the 6th inning for King Felix.

    This is why people hate Yankee fans

  18. Abe Peteraham May 31st, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    As far as trades go, this team is as good as it’s gonna get. They may get some help from within the organization, but any avail trade may be lateral at best, there’s just nothing worth the trade out there.

  19. ron May 31st, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    I like cc,king felix,burnett much better than cc,colon,burnett,now & going forward.

    It allows us to keep banuelos & betances also.

    Yes we lose hughes,but we don’t have him now & he has not helped us in about a full year,actually hurt us.
    Montero is not helping us now & martin is good & young enough to keep the catching position stable for a while,romine is also looking good & is much better defensively.

    I would like to see us with 3 good to great starters 1-3,with banuelos & betances still in our system.

    Hughes has no offspeed pitches & is 25 yrs old in june.

    You are not getting kf with nova & a bunch of scrubs.

    It’s going to sting.

  20. blake May 31st, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    The trade market hasn’t formed yet….we don’t know what’s going to be available at this point. .

  21. matt1766 May 31st, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    Ron–do you really think you can get Felix Hernandez with the trade you just proposed?

  22. Jerkface May 31st, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    The trade market hasn’t formed yet….we don’t know what’s going to be available at this point. .

    The wait for a market to form is the worst :) I hope it forms up enough with nothing that Cashman wants to trade Montero for

  23. G. Love May 31st, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    How about we stop with the Felix trades until Seattle actually mentions they would trade him? Considering they are a larger market team with money and just took 2 of 3 from us this weekend, I highly doubt they are sitting there deliberating trading the best pitcher in the AL for Hughes and Montero.

  24. Mell May 31st, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    The trade market hasn’t formed yet….we don’t know what’s going to be available at this point.

    =======================================

    Definitely not, but I am beginning to wonder where it’s (something worth having in trade) is going to come from. Especially if the White Sox find their way back into the AL Central race. Things can change, but it’s not at all hard envisioning a scenario where only capable, yet decidedly mediocre starting pitching is available.

  25. G. Love May 31st, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    ron,

    You really want Felix?

    Cano, Gardner, Montero, Banuelos and Betances would probably get them to talk to you. Short of that, there is nothing the Yankees could offer that would get Seattle to listen.

  26. RadioKev May 31st, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Trading Colon makes no sense on many levels, strategic and realistic perspectives.

    Why would we trade our most consistant pitcher this season? Huh?

    What trade value does he command anyway? Questionable. So far he’s been a good return on our investment, but a trade is a whole other ball game.

    Who would trade for him? Someone competing for a playoff spot, potentially competing against us.

    Hey, if you could pull the fantasy baseball trade off, Colon as a centerpiece for Hernandez or someone else, go for it. That’s not happening in the real world.

  27. blake May 31st, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Jerkface,

    Currently I think that’ll be the case. I thought there was an outside shot that the Mariners would stink bad enough to where they decided to blow the whole thing up and rebuild…..but that hasn’t happened.

    Don’t see any of the other teams parting with pitchers worth trading Montero for right now…..

  28. Tom in N.J. May 31st, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    I just don’t see Seattle trading King Felix this year. Why would they? They’re a game and a half out of first and he’s signed until after the 2014 season.

  29. Doc Iac May 31st, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    haha matt1766 is right…why would seatle do this trade, seems like alot of risk for them

  30. G. Love May 31st, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    I can’t believe we are discussing trading Colon. He’s replaced the void Andy left in the rotation and he’s been brilliant here. It’s ludicrous what some of you come up with time on your hands.

    Hey, let’s offer Mo and Grandy around while we’re at it. I bet we could get a heckuva OF’er and pitcher for them too and we wouldn’t have to trade Banuelos and Betances!

    We should definitely break up a first place team that hasn’t played good baseball in over a month.

    I’m sure Cashman is contemplating moves like this right now while doing whip-it’s with Hank.

  31. blake May 31st, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Mell,

    If no impact pitchers are available I think Cashman may check to see what impact position players might be…..if nothing there is a true upgrade then I think they’ll do routine trade deadline hole filling and continue to wait……at least I hope that’s what they do.

  32. Yankee Trader May 31st, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Yankees Mark Teixeira’s 291 homers are the most by any switch-hitter in history through his first nine years in the Majors. #YankeesFacts

    ——————————————————————
    Erin -
    Interesting. Mantle had 280 homers in his 1st 9 season. He only played in 96 games his 1st season at age 19 in 1951.

  33. sunny615 May 31st, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    If we’re going the totally unrealistic trade fantasy – I think Garcia, Ramiro Pena, Brandon Laird, Greg Golson, and Jorge Posada should easily get us King Felix and Michael Pineda and Dustin Ackley. They might throw in Justin Smoak too.

  34. Yankee Trader May 31st, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Agree with Blake.

    The only players available now would be salary dumps like Barry Zito. Very few teams look like they don’t have a much of a chance at this point for a playoff spot. Even the Pirates have a chance!

  35. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Felix isn’t getting traded.

  36. Mell May 31st, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Blake:

    That’s the way I see it too. I don’t even see any impact bats becoming available.

  37. blake May 31st, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    The Twins, Nationals, Astros, and probably the Padres are out of it.

  38. LGY May 31st, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    I think Kuroda may the best/most realistic target

  39. Yankee Trader May 31st, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    The Twins have some bats that “might’ become available since they’ll be FA’s-Cuddyer a righty and Kubel a lefty. Even Morneau might become available if they look to move Mauer to 1st. However I’m not saying that any of those would be an upgrade over any starter, except at DH. Chavez should be back soon.

  40. blake May 31st, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    “Felix isn’t getting traded.”

    Probably not now…..they have played well enough this year that they can continue to pretend to compete awhile longer.

  41. Mell May 31st, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Probably not now…..they have played well enough this year that they can continue to pretend to compete awhile longer

    ===========================

    He won’t be traded this season.

  42. Yankee Trader May 31st, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Blake-

    Impact bats from National that might be available would be underperforming, overpriced Jason Werth. Astros-ditto-Carlos Lee; Padres have nada: Twins-see above.

  43. Mell May 31st, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    I think Kuroda may the best/most realistic target

    ========================

    Yeah, this seems about right. In terms of contrct, likely availability, and fairly minimal prospect cost, he’s one guy you’ll be looking at.

  44. sunny615 May 31st, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Keith Law’s top 25 prospects. I copied the whole thing cause you need insider access to read the thing. That said – in the last paragraph, Arodys Vizcaino trade still biting in the butt. (With Atlanta for Javy Vazquez)…

    Quote:
    Because I don’t have enough going on right now, I thought this might be a good time to revisit my offseason pro prospects ranking and make some changes to the Top 25 based on graduations and early reports. The update is based on conversations with scouts and front-office executives about these players, but the basis is the more extensive work and larger samples that went into the offseason Top 100. If I moved a player substantially from that list, it’s because something tangible has changed.

    Any player currently in the majors is ineligible for the list since, should he stay in the majors the rest of the year, he’ll lose his rookie status for 2012 and will no longer qualify for the rankings by January.

    1. Mike Trout, CF, L.A. Angels: He’s still just 19 and hitting .294/.403/.506 in Double-A, and getting better as the season goes on, with a .333/.462/.495 line in May and more walks than strikeouts for the month. He offers plus defense in center, plus speed, plus bat and future above-average power, and could help the Angels later this year if they can find their way out of the Sea of Disappointing Outfielders. Previous position: No. 1

    2. Bryce Harper, RF, Washington: Hitting .326/.412/.584 as an 18-year-old (14 months younger than Trout) in low-A, although I can’t imagine he’ll see the end of June there. Harper barely played center earlier in the year but started there five times in the past nine games, a shift that would drastically increase his value. The trouble he had with off-speed stuff in Arizona hasn’t been an issue in the Sally League and he’s also showing patience he didn’t have when playing just twice a week in Fall League. He won’t get to the majors this year, but should make his debut in the second half of 2012. Previous position: No. 2

    3. Jesus Montero, C/DH, N.Y. Yankees: A weird April, when he hit for average with no walks — literally, zero walks — and little power has been followed by a May when he drew a few walks but hasn’t hit either. (He’s in the midst of one of those meaningless hitting streaks that gets overreported — “Montero has hit safely in 10 straight games!” — since he’s a whopping 11-for-41 in that span with 16 punchouts.) I’m holding on this one, because I think he’ll hit and no one is reporting anything significantly wrong with him except over-eagerness at the plate; I imagine there’s some frustration that the Yankees are employing a guy hitting .174/.292/.348 in a spot Montero could fill. Previous position: No. 4

    4. Shelby Miller, RHP, St. Louis: Tore up the Florida State League (81 K’s in 53 innings at age 20) and earned a promotion this past weekend to Springfield … which I’m sure will rename itself Shelbyville shortly. Previous position: No. 9

    5. Julio Teheran, RHP, Atlanta: He’s not ready for the big leagues, but if you saw either start you could see the potential. I can’t imagine this up-and-down nonsense is going to do him any good, especially since he has multiple areas for development (fastball command and breaking ball, for starters) before he’s really ready. Previous position: No. 6

    6. Matt Moore, LHP, Tampa Bay: Multiple reports of improved command beyond just the reduced walk rate. The Rays don’t operate this way, but in a lot of organizations he’d be on speed-dial for the next opening in the big league rotation. Previous position: No. 16

    7. Martin Perez, LHP, Texas: He’s been handled very gently, crossing 100 pitches only once, and his command is still a half-grade below where you’d want it to be. The up-and-down issue with his stuff from last year is gone, and while I don’t love guys who repeat levels, he’s got a 2.01 ERA in a league where he had a 5.96 ERA last year, missing a few more bats and getting more weak contact. Previous position: No. 18

    8. Manny Banuelos, LHP, N.Y. Yankees: Not a great start to the year, although the stuff is largely intact (if not quite as electric as it was in the AFL last year) and he’s among the youngest players in the Eastern League. Command was never an issue in the past; this could be a small-sample fluke, it could be that his command was never as good as it seemed, or there could be something more serious wrong. But every source save one said he was still an elite prospect in their views, worthy of a top 10 spot. Previous position: No. 12

    9. Desmond Jennings, CF, Tampa Bay: One source noted he seemed “bored” in Triple-A. (Jennings, that is, not the source.) We know he can hit, we know he can play defense and so far he’s stayed healthy. Weird but meaningless stat: he has a reverse platoon split, hitting just .242/.319/.452 against left-handed pitchers. Previous position: No. 20

    10. Manny Machado, SS, Baltimore: The first major jump here as Machado, currently out with a knee injury, looked better than expected at shortstop and far more comfortable at the plate than expected, adjusting to better off-speed stuff and taking great at-bats in low-A. He won’t turn 19 until July, and is just three months older than Harper. Previous position: No. 26

    11. Brett Lawrie, 3B, Toronto: Mashing in Triple-A, although part of that is due to where he plays (Vegas) and the fact the PCL has a lot of hitters’ parks in its western half. But he can really hit and the raw power is starting to show up in games. There’s at least a chance he stays at third base, although I doubt it, but he has the arm and athleticism to play a good right field, and in general has made positive changes that have put old makeup concerns about him (which were reflected even in the January ranking) to rest. Previous position: No. 37

    12. Dustin Ackley, 2B, Seattle: He’ll hit and gets increasing raves for that tool, but no one is buying him as a second baseman anymore, and I believe he’ll end up in left field where his value takes a hit. But he’s so good at the plate that he’ll still be an above-average player, just not the franchise guy I expected when he was at second or in center. Previous position: No. 7

    13. Jacob Turner, RHP, Detroit: Just turned 20 last week, but is showing power stuff and unexpected control in Double-A. Needs to tighten command of his off-speed stuff, but this looks like a No. 1 starter in the making as long as he stays healthy. Previous position: No. 22

    14. Wil Myers, RF, Kansas City: Out since May 10 with a knee infection, and off to a slow start before that after an aggressive move up to Double-A as he’ll play the whole year at age 20. Still a fan of the bat, but his value took a hit with the move to the outfield (why not third base?) and he may still be ranked a little too high. Previous position: No. 8

    15. Casey Kelly, RHP, San Diego: Main issue has been repeating the curveball, but when it’s on it’s an above-average pitch. San Antonio’s a good place to pitch, the rest of the Texas League is full of hitters’ parks, and as you’d expect he’s got a fat home/road split. Scouts, execs and I, who like him, all buy into the athleticism and arm strength, but he’s definitely not as close as I thought two years ago. Previous position: No. 19

    16. Jarrod Parker, RHP, Arizona: Still coming back from 2009 Tommy John surgery. Stuff is there, command isn’t, although six walks in his past 20 innings (versus 17 in his first 23 innings) is a positive sign. Just be patient. Previous position: No. 25

    17. Anthony Rizzo, 1B, San Diego: Some of this is the ballpark — he’s hitting .410/.500/.795 in Tucson — but some is just him growing into more power. He’s still just 21 (’til August), already in Triple-A, and flashing above-average defense at first. He’s blocked only by the audacity of Hawpe. Previous position: No. 38

    18. Jarred Cosart, RHP, Philadelphia: Back to 93-98 mph again with a knockout upper-70s curveball. He had a brief stretch where he looked mortal as the Phillies had him experimenting with a spike curveball, but once he junked that he was back to his old dominant self. Previous position: No. 34

    19. Jameson Taillon, RHP, Pittsburgh. Big velocity, not missing a ton of bats, but also being used gingerly — he’s faced 20 batters in just one of his seven starts, and it’s not due to poor performance. Could be more of a 2012 breakout when he’s in high-A and given more latitude. Previous position: No. 30

    20. Lonnie Chisenhall, 3B, Cleveland: Started a little slowly, as he is wont to do, but a swing this good won’t stay quiet for long, and he’d be a major improvement over Jack Hannahan (now slugging .205 in May) when there’s a righty on the mound. Chisenhall’s struggles against southpaws continue, with a .197/.286/.344 line, which presents a developmental challenge if he reaches the big leagues, although he’s at least making contact against them. Previous position: No. 39

    21. Jonathan Singleton, LF, Philadelphia: Two things to note about Singleton. One is that the Phillies also made some tweaks with him, getting him to hit off his toes more and in the process slicing more than 150 points off his OPS, but he undid the adjustment about 10 days ago and is hitting again. The other is that his season line hides a big platoon split: he’s just 6-for-43 against lefties but hitting .313/.400/.438 against right-handers. He’s got great balance, a very good feel for the strike zone, and forces the pitcher to come to him rather than expanding the zone. He’s only 19 and didn’t play a full year last year, so we need more reps versus left-handed pitchers before the platoon split is a real concern. Previous position: No. 27

    22. Miguel Sano, 3B/OF, Minnesota: In extended spring training, so no change here. He’s only 18 and might not quite be ready for a full-season league. Previous position: No. 29

    23. Devin Mesoraco, C, Cincinnati: Still 22 for a few more weeks, hitting .295/.380/.481, and catching, although in a small sample his success rate in nailing basestealers has dropped, though arm strength has never been a question for him. And by the way, fellow Reds catching prospect Yasmani Grandal is hitting .284/.411/.503 in his full-season debut in Bakersfield, although I’d like to see him perform in Double-A before I jump him up the rankings. Previous position: No. 31

    24. Jean Segura, SS, L.A. Angels: Got off to a great start but hamstring problems have sidelined him three times, and he hasn’t hit since the injury started. I can’t downgrade a player on an injury that isn’t, or shouldn’t be, a long-term problem. Previous position: No. 35

    25. Carlos Martinez, RHP, St. Louis: Multiple sources have him hitting 100 mph as a starter this year, and he’s getting Pedro comps. The Cardinals are really taking it easy with him, giving him at least six days of rest between starts, so that velocity might not hold, but we’re talking three plus pitches with good feel right now. Previous position: No. 52

    Players who fell: Tyler Matzek, LHP, Colorado (velocity down, command gone; I’m assuming he’s hurt); Mike Moustakas, 3B, Kansas City (scouts questioning his glove and even his hit tool); Mike Montgomery, LHP, Kansas City (struggling with command); Kyle Gibson, RHP, Minnesota (performing but stuff has been ordinary enough to lower the ceiling); Aaron Hicks, OF, Minnesota (tools are intact, but power still isn’t showing up in games and scouts are questioning the left-handed swing).

    A few more I’m watching for the next update: Oswaldo Arcia, OF, Minnesota; Jonathan Schoop, SS, Baltimore; Zack Cox, 3B, St. Louis; Matt Harvey, RHP, N.Y. Mets; Arodys Vizcaino, RHP, Atlanta; Anthony Ranaudo, RHP, Boston; Jurickson Profar, SS, Texas.

  45. hardwired7 May 31st, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Jesus Montero has moved up from #4 to #3 on Keith Law’s updated prospects list. Here’s what he wrote:

    “A weird April, when he hit for average with no walks — literally, zero walks — and little power has been followed by a May when he drew a few walks but hasn’t hit either. (He’s in the midst of one of those meaningless hitting streaks that gets overreported — “Montero has hit safely in 10 straight games!” — since he’s a whopping 11-for-41 in that span with 16 punchouts.) I’m holding on this one, because I think he’ll hit and no one is reporting anything significantly wrong with him except over-eagerness at the plate; I imagine there’s some frustration that the Yankees are employing a guy hitting .174/.292/.348 in a spot Montero could fill.”

  46. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    blake

    I’m just going by what Cash has said.

    If he somehow was traded, I think they would need some established young, cost-controlled ML veterans rather than just prospects because they would risk creating a PR nightmare that could cost jobs and reputations.

  47. hardwired7 May 31st, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    sunny615 ftw.

    nice simulpost.

  48. Erin May 31st, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    RiverAveBlues From this week?s SI: MLB?s Top 5 most overrated playrs are A-Rod, Joba, Jeter, Werth and Papelbon. Sounds like MLB?s jealous. #fb

  49. sunny615 May 31st, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    yours was the concise one hw7.

  50. 86w183 May 31st, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Cuddyer is a sensible target in that he fits and would be attainable without paying a huge price. The idea King Felix could be had for a “nice package” is absurd it would literally take a “KKing’s Ransom” to get him.

    The Yanks best chance at a starter is a healthy Phil hughes or a reconsidering Andy Pettite. Brett Meyers might be the best guy to get dealt — and he’s not that good with a 6.90 ERA this month.

  51. LGY May 31st, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    A lot of people on here though that June 1st would be a big date for deciding Posada’s future. Well, we are one day away, Po likely won’t play the next 2 days, and he has shown minimal improvement.

    April: .132/.244/.397 .641 OPS
    May: .233/.361/.317 .678 OPS

    Soooo…..How much longer is the Jorge at DH experiment going to continue???

  52. blake May 31st, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Rich,

    I never thought it was probably that Felix would get moved this year……I did think it was possible if the right circumstances unfolded. They haven’t to this point.

  53. sunny615 May 31st, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    I hope the experiment ends tomorrow.

  54. Jerkface May 31st, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Here is my list of players that may be available and a little about what I think about them, no guarantees just my opinion :
    Since its obvious I am going team by team of those who are out of it I’ll list team name
    Twins
    Kubel – Upgrade at DH, could play some OF vs righties, would be perfect to platoon RF with swisher since Kubel struggles against lefties
    Thome – Upgrade at DH but is really not hitting for AVG right now
    Cuddyer – Having a bad year, can play all over, has a great arm for OF but if he doesn’t hit its not worth trading for him. Would have to trade for him on a hunch he can turn it around

    Liriano – Hurt and sucky right now, under control for 1.5 years, only worth it if you think the buy low is good

    Royals
    Jeff Francoeur – only under contract for 1 year, currently hitting well, has no plate discipline so maybe not the kind of guy yankees target. Can just as easily bust hard.

    Jeff Francis – Signed for only 1 year, currently below average, coming off injury
    Bruce Chen – Signed for only 1 year, throws a variety of pitches that all clock between 82 and 87 mph, left handed. Throws a leftball
    Joakim Soria – if the royals are worried his contract will hurt them if he continues to suck might be a buy low

    White Sox
    Edwin Jackson – Currently kind of sucky, only signed for this year
    Danks – Under arb control for 1 more year, kind of sucky, a left hander with nothing spectacular about him. A good buy low in my estimation. White Sox currently running a 6 man rotation.

    Padres – This team is bad
    Harang – Mutual option for 2012, probably not an upgrade outside of petco
    Heath Bell – Depends on if they offer him a long term deal, might be the best reliever avail at the deadline

    Dodgers
    John Garland – Has a vesting option, probably not an upgrade
    Kuroda – If the dodgers continue to fall out of it they might part with him, only signed for 1 year and likely has a clause to avoid arbitration/team control because of his age/japan fa

    Astros
    Hunter Pence – rumors are he might become available, a kind of good all around guy that doesn’t excel at anything in particular. Will hit for some average, get on base a bit, and has some power but not great. Offensively probably a downgrade from swisher but overall an upgrade.
    Jeff Keppinger – Just off the DL, a good backup IFer

    Wandy Rodriguez – Just signed a 3 year extension, but probably can be had
    Brett Myers – Just signed a 3 year extension, but probably can be had,currently bad.

    Cubs
    Fukudome – An upgrade over swisher, free agent after this year, japanese so I like him

    Big Z – Probably won’t be traded, but probably can be traded for, currently bad and huge contract
    Sean Marshall – Lefty in the bullpen, but under team control but probably can be had

    Nats

    Laynce Nix – Free agent after this year, would be an upgrade over swisher but doesn’t have a history of hitting

    Mets
    Jose Reyes – Gonna cost a ton, FA after this year
    Carlos Beltran – gonna cost less than a ton, prolly an upgrade over Swish, FA after this year

    K-Rod – The mets would prolly like to get out from under the contract with its vesting option, don’t need a closer

  55. Jerkface May 31st, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Basically not a ton out there. Lots of good players are cheap/under team control/signed to long term deals

    so there just isn’t a big market from my outsider perspective.

  56. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    “I imagine there’s some frustration that the Yankees are employing a guy hitting .174/.292/.348 in a spot Montero could fill. Previous position: No. 4″

    This.

  57. 86w183 May 31st, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Unless you are obsessed with current batting average there is no way on earth that Layne Nix and Fukudome are upgrades over Nick Swisher… HUGE downgrades.

    Neither has ever topped 15 HR in a season. Neither has ever driven in 60 runs in a season.

  58. Nilsson May 31st, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Great job by the Angels to nab a talent like Mike Trout in late 1st round. Excellent pick. I’m sure glad we have a late 1st round as well … oh wait.

    Levine blows.

  59. Mell May 31st, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    “I imagine there’s some frustration that the Yankees are employing a guy hitting .174/.292/.348 in a spot Montero could fill. Previous position: No. 4

    ==================================

    This could be true, but as a front office guy for the Yankees, my hypothetical response would be “I’d rather have the kid in SWB make it easy for me to make the call, than have my 41 year old DH do it”.

  60. upstate kate May 31st, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    what is the saber stat for this…”Japanese so I like him”???

  61. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 1:22 pm

    Sure Mell, but they can’t let the perfect be th enemy of the good.

    Right now, they almost have two dead roster spots.

  62. Mell May 31st, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Great job by the Angels to nab a talent like Mike Trout in late 1st round. Excellent pick

    =========================

    Trout was the Halos comp pick for losing Teixeira to the Yankees.

  63. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    “what is the saber stat for this…”Japanese so I like him”???”

    Sabr-san above replacement.

  64. upstate kate May 31st, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    clever Rich

  65. Mell May 31st, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Rich:

    You’re right.

  66. Niblick May 31st, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Sure. A guy with a mediocre OPS of .753 in his second year at AAA is really going to help the team.

  67. ron May 31st, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    The Problem with Ivan Nova
    Player Team Contact%
    Ivan Nova Yankees 90.6%
    Brad Penny Tigers 89.3%
    Tyler Chatwood Angels 88.9%
    Wade Davis Rays 88.7%
    Kevin Correia Pirates 88.4%
    Javier Vazquez Marlins 88.0%
    Kyle McClellan Cardinals 87.8%
    Jeremy Guthrie Orioles 87.7%
    Jordan Zimmermann Nationals 87.5%
    Carl Pavano Twins 87.5%
    Brad Bergesen Orioles 87.2%
    Brandon McCarthy Athletics 87.1%
    Dustin Moseley Padres 87.1%
    Mike Pelfrey Mets 87.0%
    Nick Blackburn Twins 86.8%
    Charlie Morton Pirates 86.8%
    Kyle Lohse Cardinals 86.6%
    R.A. Dickey Mets 86.6%
    Doug Fister Mariners 86.5%
    Clayton Richard Padres 86.1%

    Contact%: Total percentage of contact made when swinging at all pitches

    No pitcher in MLB who’s qualified for the ERA title has allowed more contact on any swings than Nova. You might be able to get by with that if you had impeccable control, but that doesn’t apply to Nova who has walked four per nine so far this season.

  68. Niblick May 31st, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Nova will succeed if he has a decent infield behind him, not a sieve.

  69. LGY May 31st, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Sure. A guy with a mediocre OPS of .753 in his second year at AAA is really going to help the team.

    —-

    Yeah, because the guy with a 623 OPS has been a huge help.

  70. Niblick May 31st, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    LGY : you’re a one-trick pony. We get it. You hate Jorge. What did he do to you anyway, steal your cotton candy at the circus?

  71. LGY May 31st, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    LGY : you’re a one-trick pony. We get it. You hate Jorge. What did he do to you anyway, steal your cotton candy at the circus?

    —–

    Yes, my Jorge hate is so deep that I argued last night he is an obvious HOF and defended his career against the best catchers in the history of the game :roll:

  72. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    If Montero gets called up, Cervelli goes. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything for Posada.

  73. LGY May 31st, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    I thought I was a one trick pony for hating Jeter? I’m confused

  74. Jerkface May 31st, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Except for reduced playing time that is already occurring.

  75. blake May 31st, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    JF,

    Nice list. Im a little higher on Danks than you if he’s healthy but well done.

  76. Mell May 31st, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    If Montero gets called up, Cervelli goes. It doesn’t necessarily mean anything for Posada
    ==============================

    Probably mean some disappearing PA’s.

  77. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Right, the impact has already occurred. Unless, he continues to struggle, at which point, someone will take his LH DH PT.

  78. blake May 31st, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Lgy has been a big Jorge supporter……its a Jeter poster that he throws darts at before bed each night. Hey LGY what do you make of the capn’s home/road split this year?

  79. Niblick May 31st, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    LGY – I guess you just don’t have the experience, perspective or maturity to appreciate what these players have done over the past 15+ years. It seems that your answer is always just to get rid of them and replace them with some untested minor leaguer, or hope for some unrealistically favorable trade. I’m confident that some day you’ll know better.

  80. Jerkface May 31st, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Unless you are obsessed with current batting average there is no way on earth that Layne Nix and Fukudome are upgrades over Nick Swisher… HUGE downgrades.

    Neither has ever topped 15 HR in a season. Neither has ever driven in 60 runs in a season.

    Fukudome is a huge on base guy, is a lefty, and has power which may show itself more in a stadium like NYY. He will be a better defender than Nick Swisher. Right now Swisher isn’t hitting for power or average or getting on base (a function of his low average, his OBP would be tits if he hit more). We’d kill for Swish to be hitting .300 with a .440 on base. This isn’t about replacing Swisher long term, its about grabbing a guy that can be effective for 1 year. Fukudome for half a season is fine. I advocated grabbing him for the 4th OF spot because of his good defense and yankee-tools, so even if the yankees kept him beyond half a season they could do it in a backup role.

    Laynce Nix is hitting and slugging and he might only ever get 1 good season so if anyone is going to trade for him they should do it now. He is also a lefty that could help platoon swish.

  81. Jerkface May 31st, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    I guess you just don’t have the experience, perspective or maturity to appreciate what these players have done over the past 15+ years.

    How long do you stick with Posada?

  82. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Its hard to see every at-bat but I did see Jeter turn a couple balls back, right up the middle. It looked very Jeter-esque, anyway, though Michael Kay wasn’t there to tell me for sure.

  83. Jerkface May 31st, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Jeter is hitting: .316 .462 .421 .883 in his last 5 games. But only .268 .367 .317 .684 in his last 10 because he took an 0 for 10 against Toronto.

    He needs consistency. And more late game production and RISP production. He has been walking more which is awesome, its one of those things he needs to be doing now that his bat isn’t what it used to be. Get on base by any means necessary that is his job.

  84. Tom in N.J. May 31st, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    The Yankees are dead last in the league in OPS from the DH spot…

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/t.....order/true

  85. Rob_NY May 31st, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    LGY – I guess you just don’t have the experience, perspective or maturity to appreciate what these players have done over the past 15+ years.

    —————————–

    What does 1996 have to do with winning the 2011 AL East? Or are your irrelevant arguments about age applicable to this too?

  86. Irreverent Discourse May 31st, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    niblick – you are way off base. jorge is awful right now, talking about replacing him is not disrespectful in any way.

    You know what’s disrespectful? Begging for an extra year, using another team in your home down to swindle the deal and then not walking away and retiring when you can’t play anymore.

    Yes, Posada’s contributions have been fantastic for the last 15 years. That doesn’t help him contribute this year.

    Still early for me to pull the rug on Posada, but a viable DH surfacing would be the first step. Montero is not that guy. When you can start benching him and he doesn’t want to sit anymore, he’ll retire.

  87. Mell May 31st, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    LGY – I guess you just don’t have the experience, perspective or maturity to appreciate what these players have done over the past 15+ years

    ==================================

    So as thank you for your 15+ years of service, we’re going to allow you to be a black hole in the lineup for this season.

    Is that how it works?

    Two different issues Niblick. Nobody doesn’t appreciate what Posada has meant to the team over the course of the past decade and a half. He’s been terrific.

    He is terrific no more. He may be a little concussion addled. He’s slow. He’s literally useless from one side of the plate, and only marginally better from the other. This is what happens. Guys get old and ineffective over time. It appears we’re there with Posada. Doesn’t diminish the feats of the past, but it is a reality this team needs to address at some point.

  88. Jerkface May 31st, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    I’m worried about the concussion thing. Concussions have ruined some major league hitters. Just check Justin Morneau. It doesn’t make you 100% useless, but something off in your brain is going to stop a player from competing at 100%. And thats when you get middling averages, infrequent contact, etc…

  89. Irreverent Discourse May 31st, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    I wouldn’t mind trying to pry Bedard from Seattle… I wonder if Chad would change the title of the blog to “The Lohud Yankees Blog – Where Felix is not available” if we ask really really nicely.

    Kuroda is a nice target, just not sure about his low k/9 and k/bb rates… they are not really where I’d like them to deal with Tampa/Boston/Texas… i don’t trust Japanese pitchers anymore at all.

  90. Mell May 31st, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    You know what’s disrespectful? Begging for an extra year, using another team in your home down to swindle the deal and then not walking away and retiring when you can’t play anymore.

    =========================================

    That’s not entirely fair, ID. I don’t recall Posasda doing any begging. Also don’t recall the Yankees ever failing to take advantage when they held the leverage in contract negotiations. Why should Posada not take advantage when he had the leverage? That’s just the way the business side of it goes.

  91. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Thank god the rules of baseball don’t apply to real jobs.. imagine being told you’re useless at 38 lol. Its a tough biz.

    Anyway, I hope Jeter’s splits are simply indicative of the inconsistency Jerkface mentioned earlier. Its ironic, I suppose, that its been his consistency that’s really been at the core of his value as a player. I could see things being more feast or famine as he gets older, but I still think it’ll average out to decent production.

  92. JoeyA May 31st, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Does it btoher anyone here that we have a player in AAA that can take the place of TWO players on our roster?

  93. blake May 31st, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Jerkface,

    Do you make anything of Jeter’s home/road splits? He has been better on the road and awesome in his first AB this season. Its at home and the other 3 or 4 ABs where he has struggled. The walking is encouraging ….

  94. Gary May 31st, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Still early for me to pull the rug on Posada, but a viable DH surfacing would be the first step. Montero is not that guy. When you can start benching him and he doesn’t want to sit anymore, he’ll retire.

    _________________________________________________________________________

    I’ll just say after 52 games it’s not early anymore. Jorge looked awful again yesterday especially in the last AB. The last time he was above .200 was April 5th, the 4th game of the season. I think you have to say right now he is what he is.

    I like Jorge, I just wish he didn’t play this year. It has to be very embarrasing for a many year proud Yankee. Next two games are LF handers and he will for sure not be in the lineup.

  95. LGY May 31st, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Blake

    I have no idea what to make of his splits. I assume it’s just a flukey thing.

  96. blake May 31st, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Jorge is already in a platoon at DH. Im hoping that Montero gets hot and they bring him up to DH vs LHP and then he hits well enough to take over the job full time if Posada doesn’t get it going.

  97. blake May 31st, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    LGY,

    Or it could be that the bad karma from the fanbase pulls harder on him when he’s at home ;)

  98. Jerkface May 31st, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Do you make anything of Jeter’s home/road splits? He has been better on the road and awesome in his first AB this season. Its at home and the other 3 or 4 ABs where he has struggled. The walking is encouraging ….

    No idea, probably just a sample size thing. The late game stuff makes more sense because he physically can’t handle certain pitchers well. And he seems to be pressing in ‘clutch’ spots and due to his declining batspeed goes fishing more often and we see the weak groundouts there.

  99. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    “Thank god the rules of baseball don’t apply to real jobs.. imagine being told you’re useless at 38 lol. Its a tough biz.”

    Actually, they do. When you are making huge money in a regular job, and you are viewed as not being worth the money, you would be gone yesterday.

  100. Jerkface May 31st, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Lots of engineering/defense firms try to get rid of their older employees and replace them with cheaper, younger out of school grads/interns. My dad worked for a defense contractor for like 30 years and specifically turned down certain raises and promotions because it kept his salary manageable and he outlasted a lot of his peers.

  101. Mike Ri May 31st, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    “Thank god the rules of baseball don’t apply to real jobs.. imagine being told you’re useless at 38 lol. Its a tough biz.”

    Happens everyday.. last week my company cut ties with people that served over 30 years…… felt so bad for them . …..

  102. Gary May 31st, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 2:09 pm
    “Thank god the rules of baseball don’t apply to real jobs.. imagine being told you’re useless at 38 lol. Its a tough biz.”

    Actually, they do. When you are making huge money in a regular job, and you are viewed as not being worth the money, you would be gone yesterday.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    I think it’s 39 going on 40. Age robs all players at the end of their careers. Nothing fancy that pitchers are doing to Jorge right now. They get ahead in the count on hard stuff or he takes a pitch or two and then they get him out on junk. He’s not useless just slow in all respects. Hard to play the game today when you don’t have all the necessary tools and aren’t on the top of your game, not his fault it’s happens to the best of them.

  103. Yankee Trader May 31st, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Interesting article in USA Today about unapproved stem cell treatments-

    http://yourlife.usatoday.com/h.....47834510/1

    Is this the Orthopedist who treated Colon?

    “FDA’s adversary in that litigation is Colorado orthopedist Christopher Centeno, who treats joint ailments with stem cells. Centeno argues that FDA regulations give doctors latitude to develop new procedures for treating patients. As soon as this fall, he says, a federal judge will decide.”

  104. Mell May 31st, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    YT:

    I think Colon’s doctor is based in South Fla.

  105. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    My comment was in reference to age, not the cut-throat inner workings of corporate America, of which I’m sure we’re all too familiar.

    Most of the people that work at my company are absolute dinosaurs.

  106. Irreverent Discourse May 31st, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Gary – It’s early to me because he is not causing the offense to lose games. It’s worth it to me give him time to get right. There are plenty of other guys in the lineup that could start producing that also have to play the field every day. Posada/DH role for the yankees is the least important cog in the lineup.

  107. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    “My comment was in reference to age, not the cut-throat inner workings of corporate America, of which I’m sure we’re all too familiar.”

    You can’t remove salary from the equation. The more you make, the more that’s expected.

  108. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    There must be exceptions to every rule because my boss called me into his office twice a week, every week to show him how to print things in landscape as opposed to vertically.

    He did end up leaving my office… for a new job that paid him 100,000 more. (He was making like 230k working with my business). I feel like plenty of people are allowed to rest on their laurels.

  109. 86w183 May 31st, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    jerkface —

    Fukudome as a 4th OF? @ $ 13.5 M ??!?! Seriously? What exactly are you giving up to acquire this grotesquely overpaid spare part?

  110. Erin May 31st, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    JimmyTraina Last 3 callers to WFAN’s Mike Francesa: 1) Make Posada a coach 2) Get rid of Swisher 3) Bring back Pettitte. Animals out in full force today

  111. Erin May 31st, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    We’ll get a glimpse of the Yankees without Posada next week, when he’ll miss a few days for his son’s surgery. :(

  112. MTU May 31st, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    YT-

    Here’s some background on the Drs. and the proceedure.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....roduc.html

  113. Yankee Trader May 31st, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Jerkface-

    Enjoyed your list of possible available players in you 1:06 post:

    Hunter Pence, if correct, has a terrific arm in RF, and some speed and might be a better option than Swisher? Hard for me to believe the rumor about his availability. Wandy Rodriguez is on DL for left elbow issues.

    If Sean Marshall, a lefty can be had, he’d be an asset.

    Out of the 6 starters the White Sox have, I like Gavin Floyd the most, but doubt he could be had.

    Great post!

  114. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    I actually turned on Francesa a few minutes ago. He doesn’t think the Yankees’ top two starters are as good as the Giants, the Phillies, or the RS, so they will have trouble in a short series, and they can’t fix it in season.

    Maybe Colon won’t hold up (the same can be said of any pitcher), but right now, I’m not worried about CC and Colon leading the rotation.

  115. sunny615 May 31st, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Nilsson May 31st, 2011 at 1:21 pm
    Great job by the Angels to nab a talent like Mike Trout in late 1st round. Excellent pick. I’m sure glad we have a late 1st round as well … oh wait.

    Levine blows.

    —–

    Ironically, Mike Trout was the pick the Yankees gave the Angels for signing Texiera.

  116. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    Make Posada a coach?! LOL. Though I do always like to picture our 2020 coaching staff comprised of Paul O’neill, Jorgie, Mo, and maybe even Jeter.

    PS – I can’t believe that poor kid is still having surgeries.

  117. West Coast Yankee Fan May 31st, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    In the AL, the DH is a very important position. All a DH is expected to do is hit; no catching, throwing, etc. By all means of empirical measurement, .169 /.285/.338, Jorge Posada has been a failure at DH to date. A Young, Ortiz, Guerrero, Butler, Damon or Abreu DH would benefit this team.

    There is not much we can or will do about it. That 4th year was necessary at the time, he has a somewhat iconic status which makes him difficult to deal with mid-season, he’s proud, emotional, fans and his teammates like him and he’s being paid $13 million dollars.

  118. austinmac May 31st, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    I don’t think that the belief that Jorge is not the player he once was and not a productive hitter anymore is hate, Unfortunately, it appears to be reality. He has not hit for a year, and at his age, doubts necessarily arise. Sad, but true.

    The Yankees cannot and should not keep a sub .200 hitter regularly in the lineup. Is their any reason to think he will start being productive other than hope? His last at-bat yesterday was as bad an at bat as one will ever see in the majors.

    The real question is with all the teams that still believe themselves to be in the race, is their any realistic replacement out there. Not yet.

  119. Yankee Trader May 31st, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    MTU-
    Thanks for the link to Colon’s stem cell treatment. I found link to Dr. Joseph Purita who helped perform the “miracle.”

    http://www.stemcellorthopedic......urita.html

    Included the time frame for stem cells and platelet rich therapy to work:

    The repair usually takes 2-3 months but improvement is usually noted before then. Approximately 4-6 weeks after the stem cell injection, a platelet rich plasma injection is performed on the affected area followed by a second injection 4-6 weeks later. These platelet injections allow the stem cells to continue growing and multiplying into cartilage tissue.

    Maybe this could help Soriano’s elbow. Something else might be needed to help his attitude!! :)

  120. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    David Ortiz on 5/30/09

    .185 .286 .283 .569

  121. Joe from Long Island May 31st, 2011 at 2:45 pm

    Hi – Just read that bit about the Yanks’ DH position having lowest OPS in the league. If we can read and know that, so can Cash and Girardi. The problem, I think, is less how to remedy that, and more what to do with Jorge.

    If Jorge doesn’t DH, he has no function on the roster. It’s not like he’s going to play a position, or pinch run. So, what do they do with him? Release him? Easier said than done, given his respect in the clubhouse. Bench him? Then you effectively play with a 24-man roster. I don’t even think it’s the money so much – only about 2/3 of his salary left due – but how to orchestrate it. Would he take a buyout? Retire? That doesn’t seem in his DNA. I’ll bet they’ve discussed some things with his agent; maybe that played into that one-day strike.

    So, for right now, Joe has to use him judicioulsy, where he thinks he has the greatest chance of some good ABs. Not the best scenario, but the only one for right now, until they can work out something else.

    Anyway, that’s how I see it for right now. FWIW.

  122. Tom in N.J. May 31st, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    I remember David Cone talking about how being considered ‘old’at the end of his career messed with his head at first.

  123. blake May 31st, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Im a big Posada fan….I think he’s a HOFer as I argued last night…..but he’s already been made part of a platoon at DH so I don’t think the next step will be that difficult or will be that far away if he doesn’t pick it up soon. The most obvious option is to play Chavez more when he comes back and bring Montero up. Both of those guys could cut into Posada’s PT along with the regulars who need a DH day. I don’t think they’ll just cut Posada out of the lineup at once…..but will gradually phase him out if he doesn’t start hitting.

  124. austinmac May 31st, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Ortiz was not 39 years old. He hit the year before. Jorge hit very poorly in the second half of last year. Is reality that difficult?

    Sympathy is approriate, but no team can make decisions on it.

  125. Erin May 31st, 2011 at 2:47 pm

    Shame-I read that they’re thinking/hoping that this will be the last one.

  126. blake May 31st, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    If they do make the decision to bench Posada then I don’t think they’ll release him….I think he could retire but I don’t think they’ll release him.

  127. DocTodd May 31st, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    It’s the last surgery for the kid……glad to hear that

  128. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 2:50 pm

    Ortiz, however, was a ‘roider. There’s no evidence that Posada has ever been.

    I’m not saying that Posada will bounce back, but I also don’t think it was foreseeable that Ortiz would bounce back to this degree. People were writing his baseball obit back then.

    As I have said, I’d leave Posada as the LH DH for now and make Montero the RH DH and BUC, also trying to give him so time as an occasional 1B.

  129. West Coast Yankee Fan May 31st, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    David Ortiz on 5/30/09
    .185 .286 .283 .569

    ****************

    What exactly does a temporary slump two years ago have to do with anything. Allow me to answer. Nothing.

    David Ortiz on 5/30/11
    .306/.378/.549 – 11 HR and 24 RBI’s

  130. LGY May 31st, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    Po has hit 200 with no power since the end of May last year. The only thing he has really done is take walks.

    Designated Walker is a more apt description at this point.

  131. Irreverent Discourse May 31st, 2011 at 2:53 pm

    This is the Lohud Yankee blog, where we talk all day about things that will never happen.

  132. Noreaster May 31st, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Ortiz has the same Dr. at Colon…(just kidding, well, kind of…)

  133. MTU May 31st, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    In trying to answer my own question about wether or not Danks might be injured I went to Fangraphs.

    Here is the Pitch Fx data for the last few years for Danks.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/pitch.....position=P

    I could use some help interpreting it but from my limited knowledge I see 2 things:

    His avg. FB velocity is not down.

    He has gone to more off speed stuff this year than in any other season.

    Maybe one of you Sabremetric types can fill in the the rest.

    Does a consistent velocity relative to prior years indicate health ?

    Could his poor results be attributed to poor location or mechanical difficulties ?

    Thanks in advance.

  134. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    “What exactly does a temporary slump two years ago have to do with anything. Allow me to answer. Nothing.”

    Tell me, Carnac, who knew it was going to be temporary two years ago?

    Jeez, you’re so freakin’ obtuse.

    “David Ortiz on 5/30/11
    .306/.378/.549 – 11 HR and 24 RBI’s”

    Duh, that’s the point.

  135. Noreaster May 31st, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    at = as, first post in a month and I mess it up!

  136. Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    “Po has hit 200 with no power since the end of May last year. The only thing he has really done is take walks”

    How many concussions did he have last year?

  137. MTU May 31st, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    YT-

    A surgically-installed zipper might help the attitude problem.

    :)

  138. Irreverent Discourse May 31st, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    2010 DH slash lines – .252/.332/.426/.758

    As long as Posada is one hot month away from that line, I don’t move him.

  139. LGY May 31st, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Jeter
    Grandy
    Tex
    Alex
    Cano
    Martin
    Swisher
    Jones
    Montero

    Sick lineup vs LHP

  140. Yankee Trader May 31st, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    Blake- Looking at the list of HOF catchers, Posada could very well be up there. I was surprised to see tat Fisk played until he was 44, although he was really “finished” at 42! Bench till age 36, Carter till age 38.

    Posada has had a terrific career. If there’s nothing wrong with him physically-eyesight, other things-than I wish he would exit gracefully like Ken Griffey Jr.
    He’s also concerned about his son’s upcoming surgery for his craniostenosis-like #20?

  141. Erin May 31st, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    New Post- Teixeira’s understatement: “I feel pretty good up there”

    :arrow:

  142. Jerkface May 31st, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Fukudome as a 4th OF? @ $ 13.5 M ??!?! Seriously? What exactly are you giving up to acquire this grotesquely overpaid spare part?

    Not a whole lot probably some spare part unless the cubs chipped in significant salary, and he wouldn’t be the 4th OFer *this year* Its trying to get something out of RF. You’re being awfully aggressive for something I’m not even strongly advocating.

  143. West Coast Yankee Fan May 31st, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Tell me, Carnac, who knew it was going to be temporary two years ago? Jeez, you’re so freakin’ obtuse. Duh, that’s the point.

    ****************

    You really are childlike to debate. David Ortiz was 34 years old in 2009 and nowhere near done. He finished with 28 home runs and 99 RBI’s. Posada is 40 this August.

  144. Nilsson May 31st, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    sunny615 May 31st, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Nilsson May 31st, 2011 at 1:21 pm
    Great job by the Angels to nab a talent like Mike Trout in late 1st round. Excellent pick. I’m sure glad we have a late 1st round as well … oh wait.

    Levine blows.

    —–

    Ironically, Mike Trout was the pick the Yankees gave the Angels for signing Texiera.

    —————————————————————————————

    I wish the Yanks had someone the caliber of Trout in their system, but can’t fault
    the team for signing Tex even with the benefit of hindsight.

    On the other hand, it’s tough to stomach losing a 1st round pick for a sulking reliever.

  145. Irreverent Discourse May 31st, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    If Ortiz is actually the age is says on his baseball card I’ll eat my hat.

  146. G. Love May 31st, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    I think Posada is toast. I don’t see him contributing anything significant, but I also don’t see him walking away from the money. He strikes me as the type that if the Yankees approached him about retiring and getting to keep all the money he’s owed, he’d refuse and make them waive him so he can go play for another team for the rest of the season.

    I was campaigning hard for Vlad for DH in the off season when it looked like his price was pocket change, but that Posada contract and the fact that the Yankees won’t let him catch killed the roster flexibility completely.

    Now when Chavez comes back who goes down? Dickerson? That doesn’t even make sense considering how inept Swisher is vs RHP and how they wouldn’t play Jones vs. a righty.

    Chavez coming back means there is no alternative for Swisher on the roster vs. RHP.

    This is what the inflexibility of Jorge does to this roster. If he can’t succeed as a DH, and at this point I don’t believe he can, he is clogging up the 25 man roster completely.

    The only way Montero gets promoted is if they demote Cervelli or one of the catchers get hurt. I don’t think Montero will even see the big league’s with Jorge on this roster due to how it’s clogged up.

    Not sure how this ends nicely. I think the Yankees probably want to move on from Jorge, but they are letting pride and public perception stop them from making the move they want to for this team. They let the same thing, pride & public perception, bully them into the contract extension with Jeter they didn’t really want to make.

    At some point this team is going to have to be cutthroat. They did it with Bernie and seem to have lost the stomach for it.

  147. Ghostwriter May 31st, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    • Rich in NJ May 31st, 2011 at 2:44 pm
    David Ortiz on 5/30/09
    .185 .286 .283 .569
    ================================================

    Nice post. I think that it’s important to have a little perspective about these things. The truth is that it is still early, and Posada could turn it around. Moreover, it isn’t like we have a compelling alternative at the ready.

    Apparently, the Yankee FO does not believe that he is ready for the big club, and they’re in the best position to know. Montero had a chance to win a job during ST when Cervelli was injured, and failed to do so. To this point this year, Montero’s performance has been fair to middling at Triple-A (OPS .751). There is little reason to think that he would provide an immediate spark if he was brought up to the bigs. He isn’t ready.

    Finally, the offense is good enough to carry Posada even if he fails to provide any significant contributions. It looks like Cano, Tex, Gardner, and Jeter are starting to heat up, so most of our scoring woes soon should fall by the wayside for the time being. If Posada can’t fix his problems over the next several weeks, then the Yanks can make a move for a bat, or call up Montero if they deem him ready. I still think that Posada could wind up surprising us all.

  148. Shame Spencer May 31st, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    “I wish he would exit gracefully like Ken Griffey Jr.”

    The day Posada is found sleeping in our clubhouse during a game is the day this blog explodes.

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