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Girardi: Nova’s job is not on the line tonight

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 03, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees have won four in a row, building a winning streak behind strong starts from four of their five starters. The odd man out is Ivan Nova, who’s pitched fewer than four innings in two of his past four starts, and last weekend in Seattle never seemed to find his command through five hits, four runs and three walks in just 3.2 innings.

“I know I can be better than what I am right now,” Nova said. “I can pitch better, a lot better. If I keep working hard, I know that I can pitch better here. I just gotta start doing it.”

Nova has the start in tonight’s series opener against the Angels, and Joe Girardi said Nova’s not pitching for his job.

“I haven’t thought that he needs to do that,” Girardi said. “We want him to pitch well just because we want him to pitch well. I wouldn’t say he’s pitching for a slot… He’s had some ups and downs. I think (his youth is) part of it. I think there’s been some inconsistency. I think he’s walked more people than he’s accustomed to walking. But I think it is all part of a learning process for him and trying to get him back to using all of his pitches.”

Nova was happy to hear that Girardi had expressed confidence, but a manager’s confidence only goes so far.

“You just don’t want to make him look bad,” Nova said. “He’s giving me the opportunity to stay in the rotation and to keep pitching. If he says I’m not pitching for my spot, I still have to keep pitching like that. I have to keep doing my job. I want to be in the rotation, but even if I’m in the bullpen, I have to do my job. I just have to keep working hard, and every time I go out there, do the best that I can.”

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471 Responses to “Girardi: Nova’s job is not on the line tonight”

  1. ac1 June 3rd, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Good attitude.
    He is a rookie and we have to have patience.
    We’ve seen some very good starts from him too.
    Keep leadoff men off the bases!!! (That’s the key!)

  2. Doc Iac June 3rd, 2011 at 9:08 am

    theres worst 5th starters…if the other 4 keep pitchin well, its not a big issue, improvement is def need tho bc ifr he cant go deep into games its gonna tax the bp and other starters will feel pressure to give the bp the night off and push themselves,

  3. Erin June 3rd, 2011 at 9:10 am

    SuperNova. :)

  4. Niblick June 3rd, 2011 at 9:13 am

    I think they should give Nova the opportunity to regain his form.

    After all, they allowed AJ and Javy to pretty much stink up the joint the whole year last year (with the exception of the two periods where they pulled Javy from the rotation). Nova’s doing better than either one of those guys did last year.

  5. Doc Iac June 3rd, 2011 at 9:18 am

    niblick….true

    however, AJ has a track record of dominatin in the AL, Javy, who knows what they were thinkin… I agree give him a chance, but u know the yankee leash for someone unproven will be shorter

  6. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Repost:

    GB-

    I think the Yanks need to be more systematic in the way they develop young arms.

    FWIS they rushed several guys.

    I think it is more than just getting innings. It’s about polish.

    Expediency is a fact of life for all teams but more so for the Yankees than most.

    Some of these guys could have profited from more time at AAA.

    Kind of like the pitching equivalent of teaching the fundamentals to hitters.

    No one should graduate w/o certain prerequisites.

    Often they do. I hope they get better at it. I believe they will.

  7. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 9:23 am

    His job shouldn’t be on the line…..he was too good in a few starts to ignore. The fact is that he’s a rookie and the inconsistencies are a given……the only issue I have is that the inconsistencies are largely coming because of an inability to repeat his delivery. They should stick with him for now and see where things go.

  8. RadioKev June 3rd, 2011 at 9:26 am

    I think the whole Nova situation is overblown. He’s a younger pitcher, it happens. You’ve got to take those lumps if you want to develop your own pitchers. He’s also had some good starts this year.

    When it’s Hughes time to get back into the rotation, that’s when it will get interesting.

  9. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 9:26 am

    MTU,

    I kinda think they need to be less systematic and develop on an individualized basis. Do what each guy needs to get where they are going instead of a one sized fits all approach…..that’s JMO. I hope Man Ban will start throwing more strikes soon so he can get deeper in games :)

  10. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Blake-

    It would be interesting if Nova has a great month of June and Hughes rehab goes well.

    Those are the kinds of choices teams love to have.

    :)

  11. Niblick June 3rd, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Regarding the development of young pitchers: I think the Yankees do a very poor job. I’m not sure what the problem is, but you see other teams (e.g., the red sox) able to integrate starting pitchers from the minors into their major league programs very successfully. The sox seem to be willing to give their young guys a chance; in NY, there seems to be a lack of patience; anything other than instant success dooms the young pitcher.

  12. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Lets say the Yankees add a starter at the deadline AND Hughes comes back healthy with velocity and stuff returned…..nice problem to have but then what do they do? Really can’t take Garcia or Colon out of the rotation if they are still throwing the way they are…..

  13. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Blake-

    I understand what you a saying. I didn’t mean a cookie cutter approach.

    More like a checklist for each guy.

    Betances and Banuelos both need to throw more strikes.

    Brackman looks like a lost cause right now.

  14. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 9:30 am

    I think had the Yankees had Jon Lester in their system that they would have developed him just fine…..some of it is system and some of it is having the right guys in your system.

  15. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Blake-

    It would be nice to have another quality lefty.

    The evaluation is under way.

    Things will probably sort themselves out.

  16. Erin June 3rd, 2011 at 9:33 am

    RadioKev June 3rd, 2011 at 9:26 am
    I think the whole Nova situation is overblown. He?s a younger pitcher, it happens. You?ve got to take those lumps if you want to develop your own pitchers. He?s also had some good starts this year.

    ***********************

    totally agree

  17. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Right now, they’re getting from Nova what most everyone said they’d accept from garcia….exactly what he gave the White Sox last season. Nova is learning on the job and holding his own. He’s not a future 20 game winnier, but, could easily be an annual 12-15 game winner. I never expected more than 12 this year and that his pace. He’s had 5 of 10 quality starts and just missed on another by .2 innings. that works out to about 18 quality starts for a rookie.

  18. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Blake-

    Luck plays a part but so does sound judgement,excellent development, great scouting and patience.

    ;)

  19. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Who have the Red Sox developed besides Lester and Buccholtz? Pedro, Schilling, Beckett, Lackey, Dice K, etc….all free agents.

  20. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Blake-

    And it doesn’t hurt to have high draft picks year over year either.

    ;)

  21. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Would the Lohudians accept a rookie like the 1995 Andy Pettitte on this team?

  22. upstate kate June 3rd, 2011 at 9:40 am

    GB
    my fantasy opponent this week is none other than our favorite tyanksfan :)

    IIRC, Bucky had some bumps along the road and was demoted at least once

  23. RadioKev June 3rd, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Niblick June 3rd, 2011 at 9:26 am
    Regarding the development of young pitchers: I think the Yankees do a very poor job. I’m not sure what the problem is, but you see other teams (e.g., the red sox) able to integrate starting pitchers from the minors into their major league programs very successfully. The sox seem to be willing to give their young guys a chance; in NY, there seems to be a lack of patience; anything other than instant success dooms the young pitcher.
    ——

    Baloney. They’ve had a ton of duds pitch for them. Honestly I can’t remember them all, but having lived in Boston through 2006 – 2010 I saw them.

    Buchholz wasn’t a smash success his first time around (outside of the no hitter), people actually wanted to trade Lester for Johan Santana (ha), and then there was a good bunch of schmos in there 2009-2010. Who else do they have? Bard? I haven’t kept track of them that much this year, but the Yankees have developed Hughes into a starter, and have a far superior bullpen in Joba, Robertson, and our other guys from the farm.

  24. RadioKev June 3rd, 2011 at 9:42 am

    blake June 3rd, 2011 at 9:35 am
    Who have the Red Sox developed besides Lester and Buccholtz? Pedro, Schilling, Beckett, Lackey, Dice K, etc….all free agents.
    ——-

    Beat me to it.

  25. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Kate, buchholz was demoted twice for poor performance. Just looing at Pettitte’s rookie numbers and leaving out his first 5 games in relief, they have nearly identical numbers. Will Nova be as successful as Pettitte over his career? Not likely, but, not many will. Nova will have a little more than regular rookie season for starting pitchers. That’s all that’s needed.

  26. austinmac June 3rd, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Nova’s stuff appears pretty good to my eye. With his low strike out rate, he needs to stop walking people and getting behind in the count. Obviously so do all pitchers, but a non-strike out pitcher must have them put the ball in play.

    GB, as one who has touted Noesi, when, if ever, would you consider replacing Nova with him?

  27. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 10:00 am

    “Would the Lohudians accept a rookie like the 1995 Andy Pettitte on this team”

    I honestly don’t know.

  28. GreenBeret7 June 3rd, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Mac, assuming that it’s Nova that Noesi replaces, if Nova isn’t about a 4.20 ERA and doesn’t have issues with giving quality innings, about the end of the ASB, but, certainly before the trade deadline.

  29. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Mac-

    Hope you won’t mind if I chime in.

    If Hughes rehabs well I see him supplanting Nova. Not Noesi.

  30. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 10:09 am

    For all the Red Sox pitcher development….they are still 2 pitchers short currently with nothing in the minors that can help them…..they are throwing an ancient Wakefield and a retredded Aceves out there as fillers.

  31. longtimefan June 3rd, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Nova is definetly a 5th guy at this point, will he get better or more consistant is anyone’s guess, doesn’t have electric stuff and hitters seem to adjust quickly to him. Hopefully Hughes makes progress and returns soon and it is a moot point, Nova to the pen as long man. Also hope Cliff Lee keeps pitching like he has been doing, makes the decision he made look good!

  32. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Blake-

    Oh C’mon.

    Bowden, Doubront, etc.

    Get with it.

    Bet they wish they had Masterson back.

    :)

  33. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Lee would have helped the Yankees short term….but he’s not the value at that kind of money that CC or Halladay are because he just doesn’t give you the innings or production in the regular season that they do. I think he’ll be a good pitcher over the life of that contract if he stays healthy but there is very big risk of it being a huge overpay. With the Phillies current team they probably would have been better off trying to do something to upgrade their offense with that 25 million per.

  34. Irreverent Discourse June 3rd, 2011 at 10:14 am

    blake – agreed. a team with 3 “aces” adding a 4th while letting your 5 hitter go is just misspent resources.

  35. austinmac June 3rd, 2011 at 10:15 am

    MTU,

    I agree that at this point if Hughes replaces anyone it would be Nova. However, at best Hughes is 6 weeks away and a lot can and likely will change by then. Hughes must be considered a giant question mark until we hear he is throwing 93-94 with regularity again.

    Danks or Liriano? I say Danks although while Liriano has more upside he also has a much larger risk factor.

  36. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Mac-

    I’d like another lefty for now and the future.

    Not sure we’re gonna need anyone but I have been in favor of Danks all along.

    All long as he’s not injured he’ll turn it around. He’s a #3 type guy or better.

    I would not give up any of our top guys to get him though (Montero, Banuelos, Betances).

    The way Romine is hitting I’d have to think the Sox would have to be interested in him.

    Cash will make some moves. Of that you can be certain. They always do.

  37. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 10:24 am

    edit: “as long”. sorry.

  38. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 10:26 am

    ID,

    I think so as well….Hard to say what Werth would have taken to stay. That Nats offer would have been hard to turn down as that was one of the worst contracts you’ll ever see….but giving Lee 25 million per doesn’t seem like the best allocation of resources given their team makeup.

    Mac,

    I like Danks better and think he’s a surer thing. Liriano probably does have more upside but as you say has more risk attached as well. Whichever was cheaper would be where I would lean. I’d pay more for Danks.

  39. Against All Odds June 3rd, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Baloney. They’ve had a ton of duds pitch for them. Honestly I can’t remember them all, but having lived in Boston through 2006 – 2010 I saw them.

    —————————————

    true they have had some duds no one can deny that but Lester and Buccholz trump what the Yankees have developed in terms of starting pitchers.

  40. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Unless Danks is hurt….this year does not follow along with his track record which has been very solid over the last 3 years. He should get better.

  41. Irreverent Discourse June 3rd, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Getting a middle rotation starter out of any team without giving up B’s/Montero is going to be a miracle job by Cashman. Everyone knows what the Yankees are sitting on and how they are developing pitchers, and everyone wants a piece.

  42. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 10:29 am

    The Sox struck gold with Lester and maybe Buccholtz but is that a testiment to their development system or just that they got lucky with 2 guys. It’s difficult to answer that question…..but I do know that they haven’t developed a lot else aside from those 2 guys over the last decade. They almost gave up on Buccholtz before he put it together.

  43. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 10:30 am

    ID-

    Then I guess we hope for a miracle if that’s the case.

    ;)

  44. Jason Voorhees June 3rd, 2011 at 10:31 am

    And what the Giants have developed pretty much trumps everyone. So what?

  45. Irreverent Discourse June 3rd, 2011 at 10:31 am

    blake – i’m going with the “got lucky with 2 guys” theory. If it was “systemic” they would be churning out actual pitching prospects, not just Gammons’ one-liners.

  46. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 10:31 am

    This is the problem…..teams know who the Yankee A lister prospects are and are going to ask for them….

  47. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Blake-

    If they want a “B” they can have Brackman.

    ;)

  48. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 10:32 am

    ID,

    I’d lean that way myself. The fact that they have nothing in the upper levels to help them currently would support that as well.

  49. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Blake-

    Even a broken watch is right twice a day.

    :)

  50. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 10:35 am

    MTU,

    Yea….still haven’t given up hope for Brackman but honestly he probably never should have been lumped in with Banuelos and Betances. He still might figure it out…..but I’m starting to wonder how much longer he gets before they convert him to a reliever.

  51. Against All Odds June 3rd, 2011 at 10:37 am

    # Jason Voorhees June 3rd, 2011 at 10:31 am

    And what the Giants have developed pretty much trumps everyone. So what?

    ——————————————————————

    It means they have developed them while the Yankees are still trying to develop their own. It doesn’t mean the Yankees can’t do it but so far they haven’t.

  52. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 10:38 am

    Perhaps I’m in the minority here, but, rather than go big for a SP, I’d rather see Cashman go after a quality corner OF, with a strong bat, JMO.

  53. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Blake-

    I wouldn’t surrender the “A” list guys for anyone but an elite talent.

    Examples:

    Felix, Kershaw, Johnson, etc.

    I am really not sure how the Yankees view Montero. If they see him as a Catcher then he definitely is not available.

    If not, then he might be.

    That’s probably the best kept secret in baseball. Their real evaluation of him.

    I hope he can stick at catcher. That’s his max. value.

  54. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Al-

    Morning. You may be right.

    I admit my bias towards strong pitching.

    :)

  55. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Back later.

  56. Against All Odds June 3rd, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Luck plays a role no doubt about it but I don’t think it can be just boiled down to being lucky.

  57. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 10:42 am

    BIAW.

  58. austinmac June 3rd, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Blake and MTU,

    I agree with you both. Danks is my first choice, but if Liriano can be had significantly more cheaply, he certainly is worth a risk. I do also want a lefty in Yankee Stadium and against the Red Sox.

    I am happy Romine has been hitting. I think Romine and a couple others would at least be required for Danks, even while winless.

  59. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 10:50 am

    AL,

    I want impact if they are going to make a move and have to give up a lot…..whether it’s position player or pitcher. If they can’t get proven impact then I think they should just fill holes and hold. As Kenny Rodgers says….You got to know when to hold uhm…..

  60. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 10:52 am

    MTU,

    If they truly believe he can catch then yea you can’t move him short of one of those guys you mentioned….even if he can’t though he holds huge value if his bat develops the way it could.

    I think this trade deadline is it for dealing him….if he’s not moved this summer then I think he’s staying a Yankee…..and with the way things look now I would bet on him starting his Yankee career this summer and being here long term.

  61. West Coast Yankee Fan June 3rd, 2011 at 10:53 am

    “I am really not sure how the Yankees view Montero.”

    Is that ever the truth. What one wouldn’t give to be able to listen in on Cashman’s conversations for a month. Trades and player personnel evaluations and decisions are held close to the vest; understandably so.

    I have to believe that the Yankees will not stand pat this mid-season and I would not under-value our plentiful, second tier farm system’s appeal to teams looking to rebuild and stock up on young talent.

  62. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 10:54 am

    I would give up more for Danks….but would rather give up a lot less for Liriano if that were an option. Liriano could be a change of scenery type guy….who knows. He’s very talented.

  63. Irreverent Discourse June 3rd, 2011 at 11:00 am

    “I am really not sure how the Yankees view Montero.”

    Yes, that is the $64,000… wait… $640,0000… $300million question.

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  65. Erin June 3rd, 2011 at 11:03 am

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  66. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 11:05 am

    blake -

    I’m afraid of Liriano because of his health issues, now and in the past. Danks is a quality SP, and I strongly believe getting out of Chicago would help turn his season around, and once more be the pitcher we’ve seen in past seasons.

  67. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 11:08 am

    AL,

    I agree with both of those statements….however, how much more would Danks cost than Liriano and how much would they both cost is the question?

  68. Jerkface June 3rd, 2011 at 11:09 am

    Nova is walking 4 guys per 9. He isn’t like Wang. Their closest similarity is that they both are ground ball pitchers (Wang was better) and both get few swinging strikes (Wang was better)

    Wang pounded the zone, didn’t walk anyone in his debut and in his career. Nova’s delivery apparently stops him from being able to do that and thus his ceiling is a lot lower than Wang.

  69. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 11:12 am

    blake -

    Right now due to different reasons, both pitchers are at a low point as far as talent required to obtain is concerned. I think it would be easier to deal with the Sox than the Twins at a fair rate of exchange.

    To answer your question, I believe 2 “B” type prospects would get the trade done for Liriano, at most and Danks a bit more.

  70. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 11:15 am

    GB7 -

    If you’re still out there, in reading back, I love your granola comment, lol.

  71. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Nova’s delivery and the ability to repeat it is definitly whats holding him back right now….he’s got good enough stuff but the inconsistency in his motion is causing inconsistency in his pitches and control/command as well. It’s why he cruises along and then loses it during games and why he’s great one start and not the next. Wang repeated well…..he just got hurt.

  72. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 11:17 am

    if 2 b level guys get it done for Liriano then I’d take that risk. The Yankees have some excess that they could deal off for a high upside/ high risk guy.

  73. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 11:19 am

    I’d trade something like Romine and Phelps for Liriano.

  74. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 11:19 am

    Romine would give them Mauer insurance for the future and Phelps is a Twins type pitcher…..

  75. Mell June 3rd, 2011 at 11:21 am

    I would give up more for Danks….but would rather give up a lot less for Liriano if that were an option. Liriano could be a change of scenery type guy….who knows. He’s very talented

    =============================

    Would worry more about the arm/shoulder than his state of mind. I don’t think he’s done a heck of a lot healthy pitching this season.

  76. Mell June 3rd, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Hmmmmm. OT, but Walsh and Knicks part ways.

    Kinda surprising.

  77. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 11:22 am

    blake -

    I’m in favor of the Yankees going after Beltran, I think he could be a big asset in the second half of the season, and post season play.

  78. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 11:24 am

    blake-

    Just want to see your current thinking.

    Purely hypothetical at the moment but what would be willing to give up for JU, and what would think Towers would accept ?

  79. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 11:24 am

    blake -

    You’d be giving up too much in that deal. Romine, OK, but not Phelps as well, too much for Liriano, IMO.

  80. Jerkface June 3rd, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Good call on Phelps. Phelps, Warren, and Noesi should be guys the twins covet

  81. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 11:26 am

    The Twins are gonna deal. They’re out of it.

  82. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 11:26 am

    JF-

    You can add Mitchell to that list.

  83. Mell June 3rd, 2011 at 11:27 am

    If they want a “B” they can have Brackman

    =======================

    Who sadly seems less appealing with each appearance. Anyone know what happened last night? Was he pulled for an injury, or just for control issues?

  84. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 11:27 am

    MTU -

    For JU, I’d give up, Posada, Jones, Swisher, Dickerson, (1) Killer B, Romine, Phelps. Stop laughing!

  85. Carlo June 3rd, 2011 at 11:27 am

    When the twins jammed us up for santana they were a more competitive team. They may be easier to deal with now that it appears they have some work to do to get back to being perennial playoff contenders who have to worry about facing a guy they dealt to us in october. That said, I prefer danks to liriano.

  86. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Al-

    Never mind laughing I almost split my gut on that one !

    :)

  87. Erin June 3rd, 2011 at 11:29 am

    YankeesPR Congrats to Brian Cashman on getting honored last night by @CovenantHouse

  88. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 11:30 am

    Mell,

    His shoulder might be barking….full medical workup before the deal. I’m assuming he’s 100% in my comments. If he’s not that changes things.

    MTU,

    Yikes….a lot. Not Montero or Banuelos….but a lot. Towers would want the Yankees best because he knows their system well. The Dbacks are in first place and Upton isn’t that expensive yet so I doubt he gets moved this year……in the future though I can see that trade happening.

    AL,

    I like Phelps but I don’t know if he’ll have a place in the Yankee rotation. They have better arms than him and you can only put 5 in a rotation. Wouldn’t love the idea of parting with him but probably would to get a high upside guy (if healthy). You aren’t getting anybody for free….especially from the Twins.

  89. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 11:30 am

    I wonder if the Yankees FO think as we do, Danks #1, Liriano #2 on that list of possible SP wanted.

    Most likely we’ll all be wrong in who Cashman goes after.

  90. Against All Odds June 3rd, 2011 at 11:31 am

    # Mell June 3rd, 2011 at 11:22 am

    Hmmmmm. OT, but Walsh and Knicks part ways.

    Kinda surprising.

    —————————–

    not what Knick fans wanted to hear

  91. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Mike -

    I hope you weren’t drinking your coffee when you read my post, lol.

  92. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Screw Danks. I want Clayton Kershaw.

    May as well shoot for the Moon.

    :)

  93. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Al-

    Fortunately not, or you’d owe me a new keyboard.

    :)

  94. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Mike -

    JU is an impact player, that would be here a very long time, and IMO he’d be worth giving up top prospects to get, because prospects are just that, unproven talent vs. a great OF with temendous upside.

  95. ac1 June 3rd, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Why would LA trade Kershaw?
    Young, team controlled ace?

  96. willwill June 3rd, 2011 at 11:37 am

    ’95 Pettitte

    http://www.baseball-almanac.co.....038;y=1995

  97. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 11:38 am

    ac1-

    They wouldn’t.

    Anything against a Man dreaming ?

    :)

  98. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Al-

    If we’re into talking about talented young OF’er’s today.

    How about we pry Rasmus away from the Cards. Bad relationship with LaRussa, or Jordan Schaeffer from the Braves in return for some young Pitching ?

    More dreams unfortunately.

    :(

  99. LGY June 3rd, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Hmmmmm. OT, but Walsh and Knicks part ways. Kinda surprising

    —–

    Wow! Did not see that coming.

    Bad news :(

  100. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Where the heck is Chip when you need him ?

    :)

  101. LGY June 3rd, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Hopefully Dantoni is on his way out.

  102. Mell June 3rd, 2011 at 11:47 am

    How about we pry Rasmus away from the Cards. Bad relationship with LaRussa, or Jordan Schaeffer from the Braves in return for some young Pitching ?

    =================================

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    As for Schaeffer, the Braves strength seems to be good young pitching and their needs seem to be good young outfielders. I’m thinking that may not work.

  103. West Coast Yankee Fan June 3rd, 2011 at 11:47 am

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  104. Against All Odds June 3rd, 2011 at 11:48 am

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    Hopefully Dantoni is on his way out.

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  105. Mell June 3rd, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Hopefully Dantoni is on his way out

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    You have to wonder whether that may have been a bone of contention. Dolan’s statement sort of shouts “philisophical differences”.

  106. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Mell-

    You might be right about LaRussa and Rasmus.

    We’ll be glad to take Rasmus off their hands though just to simplify matters.

    ;)

  107. Warning Track Power June 3rd, 2011 at 11:52 am

    How many of you have yet to read what SF Giants GM had to say about the Marlins player that ended Posey’s season:
    “If I never hear from Cousins again or he never plays another game in the big leagues, I think we’ll all be happy. He chose to be a hero in my mind, and if that’s his flash of fame, that’s as good as it’s going to get, pal. We’ll have a long memory. Believe me, we’ve talked to (Mike) Matheny about how this game works. You can’t be that out-and-out overly aggressive. I’ll put it as politically as I can state it: There’s no love lost and there shouldn’t be.”

  108. LGY June 3rd, 2011 at 11:53 am

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  109. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 11:57 am

    “If I never hear from Cousins again or he never plays another game in the big leagues, I think we’ll all be happy. He chose to be a hero in my mind, and if that’s his flash of fame, that’s as good as it’s going to get, pal. We’ll have a long memory. Believe me, we’ve talked to (Mike) Matheny about how this game works. You can’t be that out-and-out overly aggressive. I’ll put it as politically as I can state it: There’s no love lost and there shouldn’t be.”

    ignorant. The Giants are handleing this whole thing very childishly…..Cousins apparently tried to call Posey several times to apoligize and he wouldn’t take his calls.

  110. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 11:57 am

    WTP-

    I think they are looking to assign blame when there is none.

    Nothing dirty about the play.

    Hurts to lose your star player but Cousins did nothing wrong IMO.

    In fact, an argument could be made that Posey’s own bad technique
    contributed to the injury.

    They need to pipe down.

  111. Erin June 3rd, 2011 at 11:59 am

    WTP-I thought it was pretty extreme. I couldn’t believe it when I heard that Cousins called Posey to apologize, and Posey wouldn’t take the call.

  112. ac1 June 3rd, 2011 at 11:59 am

    All Sebean is doing is inciting trouble in the next Marlins/Giants series.
    Beanballs, dirty plays, fights…….
    All because the GM and player are being real childish and immature.
    He blocked the plate and the runner tried to take him down.
    Happens all the time.
    Cousins goal was not to break his leg.
    How can they seriously believe that?

  113. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Giants comments portray them as bush league.

  114. upstate kate June 3rd, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    This SF outrage regarding Cousins has led to death threats against him. In the light of what happened recently to one of their fans, you would think SF would be a bit more sensitive to the situation.

  115. Rich in NJ June 3rd, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    “Hopefully Dantoni is on his way out.”

    I’m guessing Calipari as coach/GM.

  116. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Sabean should put a sock in it.

    And it seems apparent that Posey thinks it was intentional.

    Highly doubt that.

    Why would Cousins want to apologize if it wasn’t an unfortunate accident ?

    What was he supposed to do ? Tip toe up to the plate so Posey wouldn’t get hurt.

  117. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    a J Upton trade makes a lot of sense….probably not this year and maybe even not next year, but after Swisher’s option year (2012)..Upton starts making real money. 10 million for 2013 and then around 15 million for 2014 and 2015. Of course a lot will depend on how competitive the Dbacks are by then and what kind of prospects the Yankees have but it would seem to make sense given the relationship Cashman and Towers have.

  118. Against All Odds June 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    # Rich in NJ June 3rd, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    “Hopefully Dantoni is on his way out.”

    I’m guessing Calipari as coach/GM.

    ———————————————–

    lol he wouldn’t have to worry about NCAA violations :)

  119. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    Blake-

    He owes Cash.

    ;)

  120. Warning Track Power June 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    I’m not surprised Posey would not accept the apology or take a phone call from Cousins.
    What troubles me the most is after about 1 week of time, the Giants GM is doing nothing positive about the matter.
    His comments are out of line and the league should fine him a lot of $$.
    The GM has turned into an instigator.

  121. Irreverent Discourse June 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Cousins goal was to go out of the baseline and plow the catcher. He did exactly that.

    Whether it resulted in injury or not does not matter. It was a completely unnecessary move on his part.

  122. Yankee Trader June 3rd, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Giants GM is wrong. If he needs a catcher now the Yankees have plenty of options for him for one of his starters!

    If you want to trade the farm for Justin Upton, I’d prefer getting Mike Stanton of the Marlins! :)

  123. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    at least with the Knicks….Calipari could legally coach paid players.

  124. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Mike -

    Given the sweetheart deals the RS got from their friend in SD, it would be fitting for the Yanks to get some consideration from the DBacks GM as well.

  125. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    YT-

    Hanley and Stanton for Igawa.

    It’s a sacrifice but I’d do it.

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  126. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Al-

    You betcha !

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  127. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    MTU -

    Why so much, lol. Now I can’t stop laughing.

  128. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Posey has lost some respect from me in this ordeal. I hate that he got hurt but it doesn’t seem like he’s handled it very well either…..especially since it was his own fault to some degree that he got hurt.

  129. Yankee Trader June 3rd, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Cousins quote:

    “As soon as the collision happened, I knew the way we hit, I immediately thought make sure he’s OK,” said Cousins, before Thursday’s matinee. “He wasn’t saying much but he was kind of groaning in pain. I called over twice [Wednesday] night. He was being seen by the medical staff the whole time. I waited around until after midnight and he was still in there. I left a message with both of his trainers. I’m going to send over a written message, too.”

    Giants’ manager Bruce Bochy, a former major league catcher, fell short of calling the play dirty. He did suggest Cousins could have taken another route to the plate. Wednesday, after the 7-6 Marlins win, Cousins said Posey’s position did not leave a sliding lane.

  130. Warning Track Power June 3rd, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Blake-I give the kid a pass because he’s so young and only in his 2nd year in the bigs.
    I also believe he’s following the lead of his manager, his GM and the brain trust of the Giants(who are making huge mistakes in this situation).
    Cousins never intended to break any of Posey’s bones. If anybody believes that was his sole intention, that is not accurate.
    Over a week later and Cousins has to tell the press that he has received death threats.

  131. Yankee Trader June 3rd, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    MTU-

    Hanley Ramirez is having an off year. The Marlins might have to sweeten the deal with Anibal Sanchez, since Josh Johnson is on the DL. :)

  132. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Mike -

    If our SP continues as they have, we need to look at getting more production from the DH position, and the bottom half of the order first, if we want to go all the way to the WS, IMO. Yes, adding a good #2 or #3 SP would be nice, right now we need a very good LHP in the BP even more.

  133. Yankee Trader June 3rd, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    New Post—>

  134. Erin June 3rd, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    New Post: Pitching matchups this weekend in Anaheim

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  135. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Al-

    Because I have a generous spirit.

    :)

  136. blake June 3rd, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    WTP,

    yea I agree to an extent….but he’s not that young and he’s a college kid. What you’re saying is true though.

  137. Tom in N.J. June 3rd, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    I don’t blame Posey for acting the way he did. Heck, I seem to recall Jeter acting the same towards Ken Huckaby…

  138. MTU June 3rd, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Al-

    Your right on both accounts.

    I am just pitching biased.

    Here are our half time reinforcements :

    Hughes
    Soriano/Feliciano
    Chavez
    Montero

    We’ll add more but that’s a great start.

    :)

  139. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Perhaps Soriano will be like Marte, come up big in the WS, and everyone thinks his deal was worth all the other crap the team had to deal with in between.

  140. Rich in NJ June 3rd, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    “I don’t blame Posey for acting the way he did. Heck, I seem to recall Jeter acting the same towards Ken Huckaby…”

    I thought Jeter’s reaction was understandable.

  141. Tom in N.J. June 3rd, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    “Cousins goal was to go out of the baseline and plow the catcher. He did exactly that.”

    http://sfist.com/attachments/S.....eplate.jpg

  142. Tom in N.J. June 3rd, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Me too Rich.

    I always thought that play was cheap.

  143. BIG AL June 3rd, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Chad -

    Why no reports on Chavez? I would have thought he’d be ready for rehab soon.

  144. Irreverent Discourse June 3rd, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    Tom that is a great screencap of the collision.

  145. West Coast Yankee Fan June 3rd, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    I don’t think there is any way Torre does a thing. That was a clean play. If it was a no-name catcher, no one would be talking about it. Ginats are classless – especially Posey not taking the call of someone who wanted to apologize.

    Catchers understand the risks; they try to block the plate and runners try to knock the ball out. The catchers are the ones with all the protective gear on.

    Bush.

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