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Nova shows “encouraging” results in latest start

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 04, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Ivan Nova was better last night. He wasn’t perfect, but he was good. After an awful first inning — and after the bullpen started to stir in the fourth — Nova still pitched in the seventh inning and gave the Yankees a chance.

“It’s really encouraging,” Joe Girardi said. “We saw him use his slider, we saw him use his changeup, (and) we saw him throw more strikes tonight. He walked two guys in six innings, and that’s good.”

Nova is the only Yankees starter really under a microscope these days. The other four have done more than enough. One bad outing from one of those four has to be more or less excused as a bad day in a solid season. Nova’s in a different situation. He’s young and still learning, and in the past few weeks, he’s gone through some real growing pains. Last night, he seemed to actually grow up a little bit.

“When he got guys on base, I think that’s when he’s gotten in trouble in the past,” Derek Jeter said. “But today it didn’t seem to affect him.”

That’s a confidence issue, and when Nova has struggled, he hasn’t pitched with much confidence. He hasn’t been aggressive, hasn’t thrown strikes, and hasn’t been willing to turn to his third and fourth pitches. Last night, he did those things, and he did those things even after being knocked around in a two-run first inning.

“I think I was just throwing strikes,” he said. “What happened in the first inning stayed in the first inning. I can’t do nothing about that. Just got to keep my head up and be aggressive and throw strikes.”

Last night wasn’t perfect, but it’s not fair to expect perfection. Nova is going to have to do some learning on the job this season, and last night he seemed to do that. He wasn’t as good as Jered Weaver, but he gave the Yankees a chance to beat Jered Weaver. And that’s something.

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105 Responses to “Nova shows “encouraging” results in latest start”

  1. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Yeah, people need to chill on Nova. This is what developing a middle of the rotation starter looks like, and it’s essential that they do it.

    This is probably an instance where veteran leadership can help instill confidence and maybe jump start development.

  2. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Repost-

    It also didn’t help Nova when Martin was charged with the 2nd passed ball, that moved Abreu to 3rd, scoring on an infield groundball out, and what turned out to be an unearned run.

    The Yankees need to stop trading/FA signing for pitchers that have last pitched for the Braves-Jaret Wright, Chris Hammond,Kyle Farnsworth,Javier Vazquez,Boone Logan. Can you think of any others? Only Mike Stanton has worked out in the long term for the Yankees!!

  3. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Having said that (/Seinfeld) I would skip him v. the RS., and let him pitch in v. Cleveland.

  4. yankee21 June 4th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Nova is not the reason they lost last night. He gave them a quality start.

    Weaver was the reason coupled with NY’s offense lack of patience in key spots.

  5. yankee21 June 4th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    I would not skip Nova against BOS.

  6. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    Both Wohlers and Neagle spent time in Cinn between stints with the Yankees and Braveis.

  7. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    The Yankees were no-hit after Posada’s ground rule double in the 4th. Last nights loss was on the hitting and the 2nd passed ball charged to Martin.

  8. blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    I don’t fault Cano for his last AB…..tough pitches. The 3-1 pitch was a little up so maybe he shouldn’t swing there but its 97 mph and Cano has always had trouble laying off the high heat…… after that he was just protecting. The 3-2 slider was a near perfect pitch…

    That said, he bailed Weaver out in a couple other ABs…..the first AB where he took an 0-2 hack at a 1-0 pitch ……the first pitch breaking ball that wasn’t even close to a strike etc….not trying to say they lost because of Cano’s approach….nobody hit last night….but they need him to be the elite player he was last year if they are going to be as good as they can be.

  9. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    There’s a near certainty that the will add a bat. The only issue is when and which one.

  10. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Both Wohlers and Neagle spent time in Cinn between stints with the Yankees and Braves.
    ——————————————————

    Neagle pitched for Yanks in 2000 7-7 with 5.81 ERA; Wohlers in 2001 with a 1-0 record in relief and 4.54 ERA. Wohlers was through after 1 more year with Cleveland, and neagle had 3 dismal seasons with the Rockies afterward before he was out baseball.

    Rich-Thanks for your input. I forgot that Wohlers had pitched for the Yankees.

  11. blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:24 am

    I thought Nova battled last night…..and I like that.

    Hes going to be up and down…..he always was in his first year.

    My concern is the way he struggles though…..its because he can’t keep his delievery intact for a full game or even a full inning sometimes. That’s not really uncommon for yoing pitchers but it can be frustrating to watch and I wonder if the Yankees will have the patience to let him work through and improve on that in the big leagues.

  12. blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Rich,

    They might add Montero….I don’t know about anyone else…..but I don’t know who is available yet.

  13. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Will they add a left handed reliever before a bat? Will it be Randy Flores? Sounds like Chavez will start some baseball drills at some point during the Yankees upcoming home stand.

  14. blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    For anybody who has seen him….how is JR Murphy defensively? He’s been hitting like crazy this year.

  15. timmyb72 June 4th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Bring up Montero. It’s time! He’s languished in AAA hell long enough. 1.3 seasons and counting, what more can he prove? It’s criminal what the Yankees are doing to this kid!!! Free Jesus!!!

  16. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    blake

    There’s a lot of talk in NY about Beltran.

  17. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    timmyb72 June 4th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    Bring up Montero. It’s time! He’s languished in AAA hell long enough. 1.3 seasons and counting, what more can he prove? It’s criminal what the Yankees are doing to this kid!!! Free Jesus!!!
    =========================================

    I hope you’re joking.

  18. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Repost:

    Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Yankee Trader June 4th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    It also didn’t help Nova when Martin was charged with the 2nd passed ball, that moved Abreu to 3rd, scoring on an infield groundball out, and what turned out to be an unearned run.

    The Yankees need to stop trading/FA signing for pitchers that have last pitched for the Braves-Jaret Wright, Chris Hammond,Kyle Farnsworth,Javier Vazquez,Boone Logan. Can you think of any others? Only Mike Stanton has worked out in the long term for the Yankees!! :)
    ==============================

    As the saying goes, in the long term, we’re all dead. Logan had a good year last year, and he’s been mediocre to this point this year. Frankly, Logan seems like a pretty decent pitcher to me, but I think that Girardi is using him wrong in trying to make him into a LOOGY. Logan has good enough stuff to pitch to anybody, righty or lefty. In fact, he reminds me a bit of Stanton in that way, because he wasn’t particularly effective against leftys, but you could use him against anybody–the lefty-righty thing really didn’t seem to apply to Stanton. Nevertheless, I agree with your general principle: If the Braves are willing to part with a pitcher, then smile and walk on by… they are great judges of talent.
    Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 9:11 am
    ==========================

    BTW, I realize that strictly speaking, Girardi didn’t use Logan as a LOOGY last night, but pulling him immediately after he gave up a hit to the first batter that he faced was a bit knee-jerk to me. If you don’t trust him in that spot, then don’t use him. Bringing him in just to yank him immediately doesn’t make much sense.

  19. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    I don’t fault Cano for his last AB…..tough pitches. The 3-1 pitch was a little up so maybe he shouldn’t swing there but its 97 mph and Cano has always had trouble laying off the high heat……
    ===========================

    Blake,

    you make a good point, but he’s been struggling for over a month now. Cano is just too talented for this crap; it’s tough to watch. And then he drags his hitting problems out on the field with him. Maybe Joe should try flipping him with Tex or ARod, or even Grandy to try to get him some better pitches to hit….

  20. blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Rich,

    That’d be ok….what do you give up though and how many other teams would be in the bidding? Would the Sox jump in?

  21. blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    I think flipping Cano and Granderson would be a thought. Teams have no incentive to pitch to Cano right now with what’s behind him…..Martin has swung the bat fairly well but they’d still rather pitch to him. Plus Granderson could probably knock in more runs hitting 5th.

  22. blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Flipping Cano and Granderson would just be a shake up move and not a “demotion” for either guy…..only thing is you kinda hate to mess with Granderson right now.

  23. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    I think flipping Cano and Granderson would be a thought. Teams have no incentive to pitch to Cano right now with what’s behind him…..Martin has swung the bat fairly well but they’d still rather pitch to him. Plus Granderson could probably knock in more runs hitting 5th.
    =================================

    Yeah, that would be the theory behind flipping Garndy and Cano, and it’s a good one. But I wonder how Grandy would do without Tex behind him…

  24. blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Try Jeter, Cano, Alex, Teixera, Granderson, Martin for awhile? Alex and Tex get on base a lot…..some of those Grandy homers could turn into 3 run jobs.

  25. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 9:39 am

    blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Flipping Cano and Granderson would just be a shake up move and not a “demotion” for either guy…..only thing is you kinda hate to mess with Granderson right now.

    ==============================

    My thoughts exactly. Great minds…

  26. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Looking at the Mets contracts, they’d probably like to rid themselves of Bay’s contract-16M this year.

    http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....-mets.html

  27. blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:40 am

    Ghostwriter,

    Yea that’s a fair point…..but I think Granderson may start to see a heavy diet of junk anyway so he’s going to have to make that adjustment either way.

  28. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    blake

    From Cot’s Boras inserted this little clause:

    “club agreed to not offer arbitration after 2011 season”

    So he’s a pure rental without picks, costing $8ish m.

    He’s worth a B prospect for two and half months, imo.

    As I’ve said, would the Yankees take the contract without an offset?

    IDK, I suspect that they wouldn’t want to go over $210m.

    Would the Mets take Swisher plus a Phelps type and then spin off Swish themselves?

  29. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2011 at 9:41 am

    No one is taking Bay’s contract, unless Bucholz is included….so…

  30. blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    That Jason Bay contract was about as bad as Werth’s……not because of the money but because of why they signed him. Omar knew he wasn’t that good and knew he wasn’t going to help anything……he just signed him to say he did something.

  31. Rich in NJ June 4th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    “No one is taking Bay’s contract, unless Bucholz is included….so…”

    This makes no sense.

    Back to sleep.

  32. blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Rich,

    In that situation id rather keep Swisher and have them both then trade one of them myself if I wanted.

  33. blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Trade for Big Puma again! :)

  34. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2011 at 9:48 am

    It looks like Beltran is also owed in deferred payments 5.5M this year. If the Mets pay that, am I correct in saying the rest of his guaranteed contract is actually 13M[18.5-5.5]?

  35. blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    The Cards are in first place so obviously im kidding but I can’t believe how good Berkman looks…..maybe he found that foutain of youth that Colon did.

  36. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2011 at 9:51 am

    I wouldn’t want Bay either. The Mets are saddled with Bay, Santana and David Wright after this year-their 3 remaining largest contracts.

  37. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    If there is only 2-and-a-half years left on his contract, then picking up Bay. He was a solid hitter in the AL when he was with Boston, and we could use a right-handed outfield bat. Obviously, I would give up any high-end prospects for him, eating the salary would be consideration enough as far as I’m concerned.

  38. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Wonder if Hunter Pence would become available and what it would take?

    I actually think the Yankees are waiting for the Twins to raise the white flag, looking for a possible low cost option like Cuddyer.

  39. LGY June 4th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    BTW, I realize that strictly speaking, Girardi didn’t use Logan as a LOOGY last night, but pulling him immediately after he gave up a hit to the first batter that he faced was a bit knee-jerk to me. If you don’t trust him in that spot, then don’t use him. Bringing him in just to yank him immediately doesn’t make much sense.

    —–

    Callaspo is a switch hitter with a huge platoon split. Girardi was in a way using Boone like a LOOGY. Even if he got Callaspo he was likely coming out.

  40. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    The Cards are in first place so obviously im kidding but I can’t believe how good Berkman looks…..maybe he found that foutain of youth that Colon did.
    =========================

    Not the fountain of youth–I think that he just found the gym.

  41. Tar June 4th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Blake

    I am going to go to the Heels game today at the Bosh. :D

  42. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    LGY June 4th, 2011 at 9:54 am

    BTW, I realize that strictly speaking, Girardi didn’t use Logan as a LOOGY last night, but pulling him immediately after he gave up a hit to the first batter that he faced was a bit knee-jerk to me. If you don’t trust him in that spot, then don’t use him. Bringing him in just to yank him immediately doesn’t make much sense.

    —–

    Callaspo is a switch hitter with a huge platoon split. Girardi was in a way using Boone like a LOOGY. Even if he got Callaspo he was likely coming out.
    ========================================

    Even so, this would only reinforce my original point.

  43. LGY June 4th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Nova only got 3 swings and misses last night. They def need to skip him against Boston and need to keep building up his trade value.

  44. blake June 4th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Yea he did lose a whole bunch of weight.

    Is Cuddyder better than what they have? Pence is interesting but I bet would cost a lot. Renting Beltran might be the best option if they really want to add a potential impact bat.

  45. LGY June 4th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Even so, this would only reinforce my original point.

    —–

    How?

    Joe was playing the matchups with Logan like he always does.

  46. blake June 4th, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Tar,

    Nice! Go heels!

  47. LGY June 4th, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Bill hall was released? Jeez, I was pushing for him in the offseason. My bad :)

  48. West Coast Yankee Fan June 4th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Rich in NJ says:
    June 4, 2011 at 9:21 am
    There’s a near certainty that the will add a bat. The only issue is when and which one.

    ***************

    Cashman said yesterday they are looking for pitching not hitting. The only Beltran rumor is fans on blogs.

  49. blake June 4th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Boston wouldn’t be a good matchup for Nova right now the way he’s throwing…..they would have touched him up pretty good last night not because they are a great lineup but because they aren’t a bad one like the Angels.

  50. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 10:07 am

    LGY June 4th, 2011 at 9:59 am

    How?

    Joe was playing the matchups with Logan like he always does.

    ==========================

    Look at the post. My original point was that Joe shouldn’t use Logan as a LOOGY. The post that you replied to was meant to soften the orginal post a bit, because I expected that somebody might point out that Callaspo is a switchhitter.

    BTW, what you call a “huge platoon split”, I call an outcome based on a small sample in 2011. Based on the last 3 years, Callaspo is fairly equivalent from both sides of the plate. However, I do think that you properly explained Joe’s strategy.

  51. LGY June 4th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Cashman said yesterday they are looking for pitching not hitting. The only Beltran rumor is fans on blogs.

    —–

    You’re right. Cashman usually shares his plans with the general public.

  52. LGY June 4th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Logan has gotten annihilated by RHB his entire career. You can’t have him face righties on a regular basis. He has never shown any ability at all to get them out.

    His slider is not good enough for Logan to be effective vs RH.

  53. blake June 4th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    I still think the offense is OK….if they could work a Berkman like deal for Beltran then that would be ok but the best ways to help the offense are 1) for guys to perform to their ability ….Cano and Swisher are a lot better than they have been this year. 2) possibly get a 2nd half surge from Montero…..not as a savior but just a helping hand.

  54. blake June 4th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Logan isn’t good enough period. He was better than he’s ever been in his career last year and he’s just not good enough to be the only Lefty out there…..especially not with the LH hitting that the Yanks face. Cash will search to add there at the deadline if nothing else I believe.

  55. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    LGY June 4th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Logan has gotten annihilated by RHB his entire career. You can’t have him face righties on a regular basis. He has never shown any ability at all to get them out.
    ====================================

    His “entire career” spans 180 innings. I thought that he took a step forward last year with the Yanks, and I was looking forward to him continuing the progress this year. Admittedly 2011 is a small sample, but his whole career is a small sample. You run him out there in low-leverage situations, and see what he can do. If he performs well, use him in tighter spots. And if he doesn’t do well or show any progress, then you try somebody else.

  56. William Buckner June 4th, 2011 at 10:20 am

    No chance they are going to trade for offense. Starting pitching and LH relief. Posada will be released in July or at least taken out of lineup, but no trade.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ching.html

  57. blake June 4th, 2011 at 10:22 am

    RAB is reporting that the Pirates will take Cole #1 in the draft

    http://www.riveravenueblues.com

    So that’s the next best thing to him being in the Yankee system.

  58. Niblick June 4th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Logan has a career ERA of 5.03. He just isn’t good enough to take up a valuable roster spot.

  59. West Coast Yankee Fan June 4th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    LGY June 4th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Cashman said yesterday they are looking for pitching not hitting. The only Beltran rumor is fans on blogs.

    —–

    You’re right. Cashman usually shares his plans with the general public.

    ***************

    Read the article. This team needs pitching not hitting.

  60. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    LGY June 4th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Cashman said yesterday they are looking for pitching not hitting. The only Beltran rumor is fans on blogs.

    —–

    You’re right. Cashman usually shares his plans with the general public.
    =============
    :lol:

  61. Tar June 4th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    I think Cash should trade for both pitching and offense.

    Maybe a Chavez type for the infield.

    a part-time RH DH who can also spend time as the back-up catcher

    and someone like Hughes who can add depth to both the starting rotation and the pen.

    Oh wait… :D

    Seriously the offense just needs to hit like they are capable of. Plus get everyone healthy.

    Of course if some great deal comes along that puts them over the top, fine. But if not, no need to make any moves in panic.

  62. LGY June 4th, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Logan was really good after being recalled from the minors last year because he had a jump in velocity and improved his command.

    Unfortunately, neither the velocity nor command is there this year.

  63. blake June 4th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    The Yankee offense is plenty good enough to win a WS if they have good starting pitching and bullpen.

  64. G. Love June 4th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    The Yankees need an OF/DH type soon. Swisher is useless against RHP and you can’t wait all season for him to mentally decide it’s time to hit and then fall apart in September when he pulls his “I’m amped up for the big game dude” schtick and swings at pitches before they’re thrown.

    The fact that our starting RF isn’t hitting .220 and our DH isn’t hitting .200 is why this team has night’s like last night when the big guys in the middle of the order don’t come through.

    Not to mention Gardner is in an offensive free fall again. Ever since he blew that squeeze play and couldn’t put the bat on the ball he’s been terrible again at the plate and whatever adjustment he was making seems to have disappeared or lost it’s impact. His on base is in the .320′s now which is too low for him.

    How we’re in 1st place with the 2 corner OF’ers and DH we currently employ is amazing since all three of those positions are offensive positions where you’re supposed to get your numbers from.

    Beltran would be a great fit because you can play him in RF against RHP and bench Swisher and play him in LF or DH him against LHP. I’d even just give him RF full time and make Swisher play LF for Gardner against LHP.

    This whole “patience” will fix Swisher is getting very tired. At this point, he won’t put up anything close to the past 2 seasons here. I really think he’s choking under the pressure of playing for a big deal extension.

  65. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 10:29 am

    blake June 4th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    I still think the offense is OK….if they could work a Berkman like deal for Beltran then that would be ok but the best ways to help the offense are 1) for guys to perform to their ability ….Cano and Swisher are a lot better than they have been this year. 2) possibly get a 2nd half surge from Montero…..not as a savior but just a helping hand.
    ==========================

    You’re probably right. However, I just don’t trust Swisher. Even if he gets it going this year, I fully expect him to disappear in October. I would love to make a move for a real rightfielder. I keep hoping that Cashman has an unexpected gem of an acquisition up his sleeve, like when he pricked up Justice several years ago. I think that this team is a just one or two pieces away from being a WS champion.

  66. Niblick June 4th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    The Yankees are 6-10 in one-run games this year. Worst in the AL. Does that mean anything? Will it “even out”?

  67. LGY June 4th, 2011 at 10:31 am

    Read the article. This team needs pitching not hitting.

    —————-

    A good GM would never operate under absolutes like that. If Cashman has a chance to improve the team, whether it be pitching or hitting he will do it.

    The focus is likely pitching, but don’t be silly to think Cashman is actually closing any doors in order at the trade deadline.

  68. blake June 4th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    G. Love,

    I agree that renting Beltran would be nice…..but I don’t know how realistic that is or what it would cost.

  69. RadioKev June 4th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    The Berkman deal wasn’t really worth it. Obvious, sure, but renting Berkman for the price of Melancon who is now the Astros closer wasn’t worth it.

    No rentals for non elite players that cost actual prospects, thanks. Swisher is talented enough to dig this season out, no need for Beltran.

    Plus I still remember that breaking ball he stared at in this playoffs against the cardinals. I don’t think he’d ever put this team over the top.

  70. Tar June 4th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    “This whole “patience” will fix Swisher is getting very tired”

    But as you point out, somehow they are in first place. Hence no need to panic.

    I think Chavez and possibly Montero address the DH spot if Posada doesn’t do it himself.

    IMO–Gardner brings other things to the table that make up for any hitting struggles he may go through.

    I agree though they can’t have a below average DH and RF. And Beltran makes the team better, no doubt.

  71. West Coast Yankee Fan June 4th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Cashman is and should be looking for pitching – if a deal presents itself for a bat that is too good to pass up; of course you make the deal. But pitching wins championships; Cashman knows it, major league ballplayers know it and say it every day.

    A deal for a bat also begs the question, where are they going to play? Forget the infield, forget left and center. You’re left to only consider RF, DH, the bench and backup C. Swisher is not going to sit; he’s a switch hitter in a slump. Possibly if you score someone you platoon him. If Chavez is healthy, he’s a lock not to go anywhere; Jones is a possibility but you would have to find someone better to fill that role. You could bring Montero up for Cervelli; I don’t think the Yankees believe he is ready and don’t see the need as urgent in any way; preferring him playing every day in SWB.

  72. Niblick June 4th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    RadioKev – agree completely on the appropriateness of renting players. It’s a bad idea. And why they didn’t give Melancon a real chance is beyond me. It seems that the Yankees “brain trust” is lacking in brain. And trust.

  73. RadioKev June 4th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    You’re right. Cashman usually shares his plans with the general public.
    ——–

    You’re right, blogs usually predict Cashman’s trades.

    Oh wait. When was the last time that happened? In all my time reading baseball blogs/here (4+ years) I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone call a single trade.

  74. bruceb June 4th, 2011 at 10:44 am

    Three one-run defeats on this road trip. I can’t claim we deserved to win last night but we should probably be 6-1 on this trip so far, not 4-3. This team needs to start getting it done in the later innings of games. Right now, they look good front runners. Nice of us to give the kiss of live too to Jered Weaver. The boy had lost the winning habit, just like the Red Sox and White Sox had until the Yankees gave them resuscitation earlier in the season. Lame way to end a four-game winning streak; shame about the off day.

  75. blake June 4th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Berkman was one of their best hitters in postseason…..I think it was worth it.

  76. LGY June 4th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    You’re right, blogs usually predict Cashman’s trades.

    —–

    They do.

    I remember RAB writing an article pushing for Swisher before the Yanks trades for him.

    Several people on here called the Granderson trade as well.

  77. RadioKev June 4th, 2011 at 10:49 am

    I wouldn’t call Berkman’s stay on the Yankees a complete failure (hey, Tex got injured too) but imperically he was not worth it. Not sure if he won a single game for us (he may have) and we lost a prospect who is now an effective closer. That’s nothing to sniff at.

  78. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    LGY June 4th, 2011 at 10:46 am

    You’re right, blogs usually predict Cashman’s trades.

    —–

    They do.

    I remember RAB writing an article pushing for Swisher before the Yanks trades for him.

    Several people on here called the Granderson trade as well.
    =========================

    I think that you just jumped the shark, LGY. I’ve seen every trade under the sun “predicted” on blogs. Some of these wild guesses are bound to be right some of the the time. Kiev’s post was pointless sniping, so why respond?

  79. G. Love June 4th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Tar,

    I do think it’s amazing that 3 of the most offensive positions are really not contributing and the Yankees are still holding onto 1st place. That still doesn’t make it okay to not expect and want better from those positions.

    My issue is if RF/LF/DH or 7-8-9 as it is on this team were giving some kind of real production at the plate, the glare on 1-5 would be less and the team would be 7 games ahead in 1st place rather than scrapping to hold onto it.

    We’ve blown a lot of home games we should have won and we waste a lot of well pitched games by the starters because of the failure at the bottom of the lineup.

    And the thing, to me, is you can’t absolve 7-8-9 by saying “well, they should stink, that’s why they bat down at the bottom”. 2 of the guys are in their primes with high offensive ceilings and one of them should at the very least be hitting .240-.250 with power in his last season here.

    We need to get these wins now before we get to September and Girardi starts his “I have to rest guys for the playoffs” schtick again and give up games like he did last year.

    If the Yankees can’t get some distance between them and their competition at this point in the season, the pressure is going to increase tremendously every game. With increased pressure Swisher isn’t going to get better. I’ve given up on Jorge, but I think Gardner does still have value defensively when he doesn’t hit.

    I think Beltran is a good “patch” for this team because with the money he is owed and the fact that he can’t get arb and guarantee the Mets draft picks leaving as a free agent, he won’t cost even as much as Berkman did last year. Plus he’s playing for a contract and wants another big deal. He has motivation. He’s not going to save the lineup, but he lengthens a lineup that on most nights is maybe 5 deep depending on if Martin hits.

  80. RadioKev June 4th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    I guess I didn’t read a single mention of swisher or granderson relative to the times they were traded for. Sure, I think this blog makes nearly every speculation possible, but I don’t think that throwing everything against the wall and seeing what sticks is “calling it.” percentage wise, a poor batting average, let’s say.

  81. LGY June 4th, 2011 at 10:53 am

    I think that you just jumped the shark, LGY. I’ve seen every trade under the sun “predicted” on blogs. Some of these wild guesses are bound to be right some of the the time. Kiev’s post was pointless sniping, so why respond?

    —–

    You’re right

  82. austinmac June 4th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    I think not adding offense is a mistake. Their have been far too many games in yankees are shut out after the third or fourth inning. Relying on injury prone Chavez is a foolish game. He cannot stay healthy. They need a left handed hitting outfielder/DH. That seems obvious to me.

    A hitter will be easier to obtain that the needed no.2 starter. All teams with such a pitcher are still contenders, at least in their minds. The Chicago papers says Danks isn’t being traded, Liriano is hurt again, Myers is no better than what they have etc.

    Pay Beltran’s money or most of it so the pieces remain available to obtain the needed LHRP. Then hope Hughes, Phelps, Mitchell and/or Warren to be able to help in the older guys break down.

  83. blake June 4th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    G. Love,

    If Beltran cost what Berkman did last year then its a no brained to me……Im not sure that’ll be the case though as he’s having a better year and can play more positions. I think more teams will be involved and the price may be higher.

  84. RadioKev June 4th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    My only point is that to respond with the suggestion sarcastic comment that Cashman makes all of his intentions public is illogical. That’s a poor way to defend that you think you know best and that Cashman really is thinking about trading for Beltran.

    The truth is none of us know what Cashman is planning on doing. That’s all. So some people flail around and make guesses, which is fun, but there’s no point in us pretending it’s anything but fun.

  85. Tar June 4th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    G Love

    I agree with all your points except the pressure part, too early IMO.

    Let’s see how June shakes out.

  86. G. Love June 4th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    blake,

    I don’t see many teams willing to take on 9 million or more in salary. It comes down to whether the Mets want to pay Beltran’s money to get prospects or just want to get his money off the books.

    Considering their financial plight and the fact that their stadium should be empty the rest of the season I would think taking 9 million plus off the books takes priority there.

    I would offer them David Adams or Laird and some pitcher who the organization knows isn’t in their long term plans and call it a day.

    I don’t see the Red Sox, Indians, Rays, Cards, Tigers, Giants, Phillies, Rangers, etc. willing to take on a 9-10 million salary commitment. The Yankees can do that.

  87. LGY June 4th, 2011 at 11:08 am

    From Pete Abe

    “Clay Buccholz said his lower back didn’t necessarily hurt yesterday, but it was on his mind.

    The Sox are concerned enough that they plan to talk with him about the situation later today.

    Tim Wakefield will throw a bullpen today. That would make him available to start on Wednesday in New York in Buchholz’s place if needed.”

  88. blake June 4th, 2011 at 11:10 am

    G. Love,

    Maybe but some team.might be willing to chip in better prospects if the Mets would eat some.cash……and they might value that over just shedding the money. You might be right but if he keeps hitting and some teams think he could put them over the top then I could see them spending the money. Teams aren’t as afraid of short term commitment to take a shot at a title.

  89. Ghostwriter June 4th, 2011 at 11:13 am

    RadioKev June 4th, 2011 at 10:57 am

    My only point is that to respond with the suggestion sarcastic comment that Cashman makes all of his intentions public is illogical. That’s a poor way to defend that you think you know best and that Cashman really is thinking about trading for Beltran.

    ===========================

    I think that LGY was pointing out not to believe everything you read, particularly when it comes to Cashman’s public pronouncements. Cashman’s soundbites generally aren’t a sound basis for determining what the Yanks may or may not need, nor are they a sound basis for determining what the Yankees may wind up doing. Of necessity, Cashman is often self-serving when dealing with the press. Besides, remarks made to the press aren’t in any way binding on him; he is free to change his mind any time that he likes.

    I think that the notion that the Yanks need more pitching disregards what we’ve seen thus far this year. The Yanks seem pitching-rich to me. And to this point in the season, their strongest needs seem to be having a better less error-prone rightfielder and adding a clutch bat. Picking up another pitcher (LOOGY or otherwise) would be gravy. It looks like we are getting Hughes back at midsummer and (if I’m not mistaken) Soriano will be back in August. Those would be awesome mid-season pickups for the pitching staff. Plus Silva reportedly has been doing well in the minors, and we have a wealth of young pitching in the minors that we can call upon. I just don’t see the point in stockpiling pitchers, without rhyme or reason.

  90. blake June 4th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Id expect Bucholtz to.start……they’d throw Lester 3 straight games against the Yanks if they could.

  91. blake June 4th, 2011 at 11:18 am

    How far would Oakland have to fall before they try and trade a pitcher for a hitting prospect?

  92. blake June 4th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    RAB has a draft profile on Daniel Norris. Recently he said he is looking for close to a 4 million signing bonus to keep him from going to Clemson. I’ve seen this kid live…..he has big time potential. He probably wont….but if he falls to the Yanks they have to take him.

    http://www.riveraveblues.com

  93. Joe from Long Island June 4th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    I wouldn’t take what Cash says publicly as gospel. Remember, he wasn’t looking for a deal when he called Cleveland, and was surprised when Shapiro suggested Ricky Ledee for David Justice. Stuff happens.

    Besides, by talking down your potential needs, you might lower the asking price. Always important in a negotiation.

    I’m still intrigued by Carlos Beltran. Trading for him isn’t the problem, not with the Mets needs for salary relief. The issue is Yankees’ roster construction, now and for 2012.

    While he’s played better in the field that I thought he would, and is probably busting it for his next contract, I’d be leary of carrying him into next year. For that reason, I’d be hesitant to move Swisher off the team; you might just be creating another hole for next year that has to be dealt with.

    For this year, I could see carrying both Beltran and Swisher on the team, alternating between RF and DH (and others doing the DH thing from time to time). And, I would make an effort to put Beltran in the lineup as often as possible; else, why trade for him in the first place?

    However, that would leave Mr. Posada without a role. And to add Beltran, you’d be demoting a Dickerson, or someone else who might be more valuable than a Posada tied to the bench. Remember, Posada doesn’t play any position other than DH.

    Add to that Eric Chavez coming back later this month, and you can see a logjam on the bench.

    And, what’s the role of Jesus? If he replaces Cervelli, what does he do when not giving Martin a rest? He can’t DH, because you already have a line waiting there.

    This is not an easy one. The best solutions I think, are 1) Posada hitting; then if you want replace Cervelli with Montero; or 2) Montero replacing Posada.

    Which is more likely? Ahh…………

  94. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2011 at 11:34 am

    Blake-

    The A’s would have to be overwhelmed for the pitcher/pitchers you would want. Most likely they would want to unload their 2 most expensive pitchers-Fuentes and Balfour.

    If the Mets would take on the 5.5M in deferred payments owed Beltran than his 2011 committment in $’s is the remainder of 13M.

  95. Betsy June 4th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Rich, I don’t know how good Nova is going to be, but it’s amazing how many fans want to send him to AAA, as if Noesi is going to be Felix. Then what happens when Noesi eventually struggles? Go with a rotating cycle of young pitchers? Fans have no patience. I don’t think he’s pitched that great, but he hasn’t pitched badly enough at all for it even to be a consideration for him to be sent down.

  96. Betsy June 4th, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Blake, why is it good for Cole to go to Pittsburgh? Frankly, I’ve not even thought about him once since he rejected the Yankees.

  97. blake June 4th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Trader,

    Yea that was might point…..the Mets could opt to make Beltran affordable to more.teams if it meant getting better players in return.

  98. Betsy June 4th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    I’m not interested in helping the Mets at all so I have no interest in Beltran – he’d be a rental and you still never know when his knee will go. Also, where exactly would he play?

  99. blake June 4th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    Betsy,

    I was kinda joking but if Cole turns out to be good then Id rather him be in the NL on the Pirates……

  100. Betsy June 4th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Blake, true………….also, for me, the Pirates are a team I kind of have always liked. He could have pitched for the Yankees and now he’s going to go to a team that has been a perennial loser for years (granted, they are a team with a rich history).

  101. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Looking at Beltran’s 2011 situational stats.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/p.....2011/18817

    A few things stand out. His slugging average is .455 against righties vs .740 against lefties, with twice as many homers batting righty[6-3] in approximately 1/3rd the ab’s.
    His BA away from home is .225 with slugging average of .416.

    If these stats hold up for the rest of the year, would he be worth a gamble?

  102. blake June 4th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    I wish Cole had chosen the Yankees…..but I really can’t fault a guy for wanting to be a college student in SoCal……he did improve his draft status in the process and Im guessing had a pretty fun time at UCLA.

  103. Yankee Trader June 4th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    new post—->

  104. austinmac June 4th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Beltran would play right , left or DH. None of those position players are hitting. Gardner can’t hit left handers and neither can Posada. Swisher isn’t hitting right handers. He’d play a lot, and likely,absent the risk of injury, far better than any and all of the three who currently play.

  105. Hassey June 4th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    let’s not forget that Martin wasn’t able to hold onto Trumbo’s foul tip strike three just before the Angel’s scored their third run. Tough to say he “should have” caught it, but if he makes that play, the inning and probablay the game turns out different. He seems to move well behind the plate, but I’m surprised that he needs so much more stick-um on his glove

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