A bad day that kept getting worse
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 08, 2011 
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Joba Chamberlain went on the disabled list, Russell Martin was bothered by a sore back and first place in the American League East went to the Red Sox. Obviously this wasn’t a good day for the Yankees. A.J. Burnett gave Boston a big early lead and the Yankees lost 11-6, their seventh loss in eight games against Boston this season. Jorge Posada wasn’t available because his son was having surgery, Boone Logan had another frustrating relief appearance and both Francisco Cervelli and Eduardo Nunez both managed to be hit by foul balls on a day when nearly everything seemed to go wrong for the Yankees. Mark Teixeira was healthy and Derek Jeter moved one hit closer to 3,000, but highlights were few and far between today.
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At least we still have Pollyana as the manager.
Turn the mf page.
Jeter’s pursuit is meaningless right now.
Ugly.
Despite all the other crappy stuff that happened in this game the loss is on AJ Burnett.
Just a pathetic performance in a long line of pathetic performances for AJ vs the Sox
and this is the beginning of the separation between the teams now. I admit it, Sox are a better team and Yankees need alot work and for players to play to their capability. Or maybe age has caught up to the team. Terrible pitching is bottom line.
here it comes only the facts.
jeter is horrible. yep gardner blew runnng home no friggin doubt. his excuse will be laughable, he is not a heady baserunner and that is a huge problem but jeter whom i knicknamed gb(ground ball) yesterday did what jeter does hit groundballs often soft ground balls. he needs to move down in the order. his BA with RISP is one of the worse in the league not only the yanks but in the friggin league.
Sorry he stinks… that does not forget what he use to do and was but now he stinks..
the jeter gidp, the gardner not run home, and the ball 3 they called on doof logan which was strike 2 were 3 huge plays.
no one ever complains about Jeter, radio, tv, no one. HE STINKS.
Burnett’s 2011 is startingbto resemble 2010.
so your saying that AJ against Wakefield at Yankee stadium is in their favor?
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Considering how dreadful AJ has been against them it has to be. He has a 9 era against them as a Yankee and the last couple of times he has faced them it has been batting practice.
Tomorrow is another day and another game….time to start a winning streak and reclaim first place.
The team is a jole and its fine to root for them but see it for waht it is. A big pile of crap. Old Old Old and boring boring boring. NO sedx appeal and the fans these days suck too
Good night folks.
And for the bridge jumpers that may be on the ledge wondering which voice to listen to—go with the one telling you to jump.
All young players struggle, it’s the nature of the game, you have to deal with it…but if Montero went 2-22 I could see the articles already saying he is overmatched, not as good a prospect, a product of the Yankee prospect overhype machine, etc….the NY media loves the fact that they make this a tough place to play and by golly they must live up to that reputation…..by the way I wish we had Aceves, why Cashman, why????
We’ll see if there is separation. Not a foregone conclusion.
Tough to watch when your team is in a 3-0 whoLe before they even come to bat..
AJ STINKS IS A USUAL post from me so I did not waste my time. he is a 4 or 5 starter on a good team. he has nothing between the ears and no guts. he is a bully pitcher who gets spooked of contact and is unbeleivably unreliable. BTW the guy is 34 so if you are expecting a change you are a fool and dreaming.
also can granderson realize people are throwing him almost only of fspeed pitches. he has developed swisher syndrome. newsflash good or smart pitchers are throwing you offspeed pitches grandyman.
Cano sucked, Jeter can’t hit with RISP, Gardner is blind, Cervelli can’t throw, and the Yanks have more garbage in their bullpen than Staten Island.
Yet AJ punted this game.
Never trust AJ – people should know this by now. He also cannot beat non-Orioles teams in the division. Aside from a good 09 against TB, he has been dreadful against them, Boston, and Toronto.
why would aj’s 2011 not resemble is 2010? he has never achieved. he had 2 good months before going free agent for toronto..
he is a soft loser, that is the bottom line…….
“we haven’t pitched consistently against them”
yes we have…just consistently poorly
Derek Jeter forced Cashman to sign AJ…
cahsman did not resign aceves because he wanted a major league deal, he had a bad back and did not have surgery and cashman made in retrospect a bad move in not signing him back. we will see if aceves stays healthy so far he looks real good.
btw boone logan still sucks……………
AJ was bad, but I wouldn’t call it batting practice tonight. The 3 runs in the 4th were a series of dribblers, not throwing out Ortiz at home & Jeter not hustling to the groundball to get the last out allowing a run to score.
Doesn’t excuse AJ, he was not good. But a lot of things going differently and there could be a some runs less when he leaves, which is still bad.
I don’t see this as 2010 all over again. I think he will pull it together.
LGY,
True….they scored enough to win….they needed length and a strong outing from AJ and he didn’t give it to them….simple as that.
Aceves must just love the heck out of beating the Yanks
I hope that Cashman knows that this trade deadline or in the off season he must trade some chips to get a #2 starter. You aren’t going to win championships or get far in the play offs with an ace and a bunch of #5 starters. Obviously Montero and the 2 b’s are untouchable but this team has a serious need.
There is also no excuse for Montero to not be on this team. It’s obvious that this lineup is inconsistent, old and it’s time to move on from the past and onto the future.
Want to worry about something?
At this time, last year, AJ’s ERA was 3.72. This year, when overall scoring is down, it’s 4.37.
Oh how we long for the good old days of 2010 – when we had the “bad” AJ.
AJ has a 236 BABIP this season.
It was bound to catch up with him.
aj has an over 4 era… he has only struck out about .6 per innings, he is just not that good. when are people going to realize this….
now the media will do what they do, and talk about nonsense ove rand over. 2009 they were 1 and 8 against boston and won the last 7, this game counts same as the game this weekend or next against the cubs.. bottom line…….
I apologize to Eiland for thinking that he had anything to do with AJ’s suckitude. It’s terminally ideopathic.
If the defintion of a bridge jumper is a frustrated fan who does not like sitting down to watch his favorite team play their archrival and be down 3-0 right away and make errors and look terrible, well then can someone start building a bridge for me…..fan is short for fanatics, everyone has their own opinion and thoughts…amazes me how many people get frustrated by the thoughts of others when it comes to the Yankees….I guess its kind of like how the 2 party system in our country has pretty much made politics about who is right or wrong and not whats best for the country…. and nothing gets accomplished because no one agrees….
# donnie23 June 8th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
god our rotation is bad. if CC moves on in the fall we will have maybe the worst rotation in the league and still the highest payroll.
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I don’t know about worst in baseball but yea him not being here is a bad thing.
The difference between this team and the 09 team against Boston is that the 09 team just massively underachieved and lost a lot of fluke games against them.
Bay’s HR vs. Mariano, blowing the 6-0 lead the next day, Ellsbury stealing home, Girardi stupidly bringing Wang off the DL against them, CC/bullpen implosion in the 8th inning to fall to 0-8, etc.
This team is just getting flat-out beaten. Nothing flukey about it. That 09 Boston team didn’t have anywhere near the pitching or offense of that team either. They couldn’t hit on the road and were too RH heavy. Outside of Lester, their pitching was very mediocre. Beckett and Dice-K were their usual inconsistent selves. Penny sucked. Smoltz sucked. Everyone could see their downfall coming. The 09 Yanks were loaded with talent.
This Boston team is like the 09 Yanks – better top 3, slightly worse offense. We’re like that 09 Boston team. Suspect offense. 1 great pitcher and a bunch of inconsistent guys/reclamation projects.
It’s frustrating how badly we’re playing. I hope our offense can pull it together as a team, but we have a series of problems. There’s still plenty of season left, but if we don’t make it to the playoffs I wont be surprised. But I’ll stick with my team and hope for better!
AJ had a great start last year before imploding in June. Here we go again.
Nice job by Cashman, let’s Aceves go while we are stuck with a bunch of question marks/head cases/busts in our rotation and bullpen.
This organization is so clueless when it comes to pitching.
Aceves must just love the heck out of beating the Yanks
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Definitely.
I have tried to defend the move but I just can’t anymore. With the amount of garbage the Yanks have on their 40 man it is ridiculous they didnt sign Ace.
It’s a double blow. They could desperately use him right now yet he is helping their division rival
For some reason, these losses against Boston aren’t bothering me that much. I’m more concerned about how this bullpen is going to hold together without Joba for 3-4 weeks at minimum.
Sending Noesi down was a mistake. I believe you have to wait 10 days to recall a pitcher unless there’s a DL move. He’s better than at least 4 guys in that pen right now.
I also would like to see Montero get called up. I don’t care about him being rushed…Hughes, Joba, Cano, Wang, and Melky were all “rushed” and had suburb rookie seasons at the very least. I think Jesus would at least benefit from Martin, Girardi, and Pena on the catching aspect, and from Arod on hitting.
“Sending Noesi down was a mistake. I believe you have to wait 10 days to recall a pitcher unless there’s a DL move. He’s better than at least 4 guys in that pen right now.”
I agree, but they can DL someone to get around it.
“We’re like that 09 Boston team.”
And that ’09 Boston team still made the playoffs, where anything can happen. That’s all you can ask for.
AJ has been better and more consistent with his breaking ball this year….but his velocity is still down from a couple years ago and that’s affecting him. Same deal as last year…..he doesn’t have the margin for error at 92-93 that he had at 95-96.
It’s time for the Cervelli experiment to be over….trade him to a team where he’ll have a shot to be q regular because he’s just not a good back up.
Ha! Watch the hockey. Boston has been called out for their cheating. Canucks have 6 on 4.
Cervelli has thrown out 2 of 19 baserunners this year. I am glad our back up catcher can’t field, what a joke.
The Bruins are like a bunch of Youklises. Low-class losers!
This organization is so clueless when it comes to pitching.
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clueless is strong but pitching does seem to be something they struggle with.
“You also made something like ‘relax, it’s early’, or ‘they will move on’. How do you know for sure? Because you are not sure. You just have to wait for these statements become true or false.”
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JobaTips,
sure – but if you can’t be somewhat patient with a 162 game season, baseball probably isn’t for you.
year in and year out, the Yankees make the playoffs. of course, you want them to win the title every year.
but these game threads make it seem like hte Yankees truly have no chance at the playoffs when in fact, they have to be considered strong favorites to do so.
If you bring up Montero, then he will only play twice a week. His bat needs to used more often than that & we already have Posada at DH. Not sure having Montero’s bat sit on the bench is a good thing
Wow. In other news, the Mets took a 6-2 lead into the 8th and I look up, and it’s 6-6 with 1 out, nobody on for the Brewers.
“It’s a double blow. They could desperately use him right now yet he is helping their division rival”
Yup….hate to say it but it’s looking like they may have outthought themselves on this one
The thing I just don’t understand is how Aceves was out with a bad back pretty much all year, gets no operation on a bulging disk, then he goes to Boston and both he and Beckett are suddenly trouble free with their backs.
I didn’t like seeing Aceves go, but he was a Pavano last year for the Yankees. I guess that is continuing seeing as he is now “healthy”.
Montero would also DH against lefties some
Captain Clutch June 8th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Cervelli has thrown out 2 of 19 baserunners this year. I am glad our back up catcher can’t field, what a joke.
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Cervelli was awful today. If he gets that runner in the 1st, this game might go differently. Not to mention the second error that lead to a run.
Can’t frame pitches. Calls the same stuff all night, low & outside. He’s really nothing more than a AAA pitcher
I really hate the fact that the Yanks won’t talk to CC about his contract until after he opts out. That is such a stupid policy and it has and always will cost them more money in the end. So now they will have to get in a bidding war for him to come back instead of just calling up his agent and offering him another 2-3 years now.
Martin needs at least two days a week off, maybe even three. Add in the RH DH, and there’s a sufficient amount of PT for a young guy to bring in with.
How many lefties do we face that Montero will DH “sometimes” for lefties? I just dont see Montero sitting on the bench
Cervelli is a pretty decent contact hitter…..he just can’t catch….which is kinda important for a BUC
again no one says a word about jeters total incompetence and failure with RISp…
his inability to hit the ball in the air on any regular basis.
the guy is horrible and hitting first look at his ##########################################################’s
# blake June 8th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
“It’s a double blow. They could desperately use him right now yet he is helping their division rival”
Yup….hate to say it but it’s looking like they may have outthought themselves on this one
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you read my mind blake
NYY fan in NH,
The Red Sox are a better team?
You might as well be a Sox fan. The Yankees have their starting pitching affected by injuries, their bullpen seriously affected by injuries, their bench has been affected by injuries. So with 80% of the team out there, how can you say the Red Sox are better? I think both teams are close in talent, and I would expect every Red Sox fan to say they have the best team, and every Yankee fan to say they have the best team. But saying the Red Sox are better, is just not true.
Were they better today? Not even. Imagine Burnett on the Red Sox, oh the joy of many more wins.
Montero has an eye infection??????
cervelli staying on the big club over montero should be discussed.
cervelli cannot field that is a problem for a backup catcher………
AJ: gotta make my pitches, felt strong
Brett: thought it hit Jeter, was too late once Tek got to it
Russell: never been hurt like this, had some cream and ultrasound. Will take tests if not getting better
I would guess on average they see 2 or so lefties a week. So he’d be in the lineup 3 or 4 games a week and be available to pinch hit the others…..and would be learning the pitching staff and big league pitchers during the other time.
“Cervelli has thrown out 2 of 19 baserunners this year.”
What’s worse is that he can’t just let the runner take second, but he also throws the ball into CF half the time, allowing them to take third. He also has quite a few passed balls and without looking it up, the pitcher’s have a much higher ERA with him at the plate. Defensively, he offers absolutely nothing.
Martin isn’t holding up physically right now and Cervelli’s ineptitude makes that likely to get worse.
“Russell: never been hurt like this, had some cream and ultrasound. Will take tests if not getting better”
If you have some of “the clear” as well then pass it around the locker room
Pitchers aren’t comfortable throwing to Cervelli…..he’s a great story….kid that spent 3 years in rookie ball and wound up making the Yankees…..but he’s just not good enough to stay there. Trade him while he’s still got some value.
At this point, I can’t take Cervelli anymore. So, I’ll give in. Bring up Montero, we’ll figure out how to get him more ABs.
Good news down on the farm. Norton is pitching in Scranton. Won a game on one inning, a hit and two SO.
How little Cano is getting out of his talent this season is easily one of the most frustrating parts of the season.
To say that he is underachieving is a massive understatement.
Maybe Cano should get his eyes checked
The Yanks can definitely find playing time for Montero if they wanted to. Posada doesn’t have to DH everyday especially if he doesn’t hit. Martin needs more days off and is really wearing down. Montero could catch 2 days a week, DH against every lefty and DH 2-3 days a week. The odds of him being an everyday catcher are very slim so how much longer are they going to keep him in the minors for? They have to stop living in the past with and move on.
Night all…..gonna try and put this one out of my mind….
How long has Montero had an eye infection?
Yup….hate to say it but it’s looking like they may have outthought themselves on this one
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Where would the Sox be without Ace right now? Their pitching depth is so thin I don’t even know who would have made those spot starts and be soaking up these innings in the BP.
Martin says hurt himself lifting weights, would’ve been hard to come in if Cervelli got hurt
blake June 8th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Pitchers aren’t comfortable throwing to Cervelli…
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He can’t call a game. Keeps putting the glove in the same spot. He did that with colon in his last outing too and the batters started sitting on that location & hitting him.
Not blaming it all on him, pitchers including AJ today have to make their pitches.
i have felt for a LONG time now that this team is in dire need of a youth infusion.
call up montero NOW
i have also felt that cervelli has been EXPOSED….he was never considered a prospect and his warts are showing
Please get rid of all this garbage in the bullpen and call up some power arms with upside.
The Yanks have to address Cervelli’s defense and make a move instead of pretending like it isn’t a problem. He offers them absolutely nothing and I doubt the pitchers are comfortable throwing to him. You can’t have a back up catcher who throws the ball into CF 9 out of 10 times a runner tries to steal.
The Yankees pitching staff has a much better ERA than Boston, and that’s with the Yankees playing almost 60% home games so far. The offenses are very close in runs scored. I would assume the Sox have played better defense and been better on the base paths, but this myth that the Sox pitching and offense is light years better is just that- a myth.
A better argument is that the Yankees might not be a good matchup against Boston. We kill lefties, and they only have one on their team, who happens to be very good. OTOH Boston may be susceptible to good lefties, of which we only have one. Their offense is tailor-made for our stadium. We don’t have the speed to take advantage of their weak catchers. Etc, etc. Luckily, seasons are not made on 19 head-to-head matchups. Just focus on staying close to first place and making the playoffs. If we see the Sox in October, I’ll be glad to worry about beating them then.
Let’s see:
Cervelli throws the ball into the outfield twice, accounting for 2 runs and probably upsetting AJ. Cervelli must be drinking too much Red Bull.
Logan walks a Burnett run in.
Pendleton gives up 3runs.
Without those runs do the Yankees win 6-5? Probably not.
Captain Clutch,
I’m sure the Yankees are highly aware of Cervelli. I think they trusted him last season, but I’m sure everyone in that organization knows Cervelli isn’t a MLB player, or at least not for the Yankees.
Phelps had another great start tonight for SWB, not sure if he’s on the radar for a call up.
I still don’t get why we were so passive on the bases. Didn’t steal on wakefield. We’re playing not to lose. We need to be aggressive when we have the chance
“Please get rid of all this garbage in the bullpen and call up some power arms with upside.”
It’s hard to understand. Cash focused on the farm system and rightly touted out, but then doesn’t really exploit it.
It’s disappointing.
The Yankees bench: a catcher who has 4 errors and 2 PB in 92 innings; an infielder who has 6 errors in 140 innings; a guy who’s so old he can’t hit or field; and Chris Dickerson.
Pretty darn sad, for a team with such a high payroll.
jonathan p,
You seriously think Montero is the answer? He isn’t hitting .500 in the minors. You will be highly disappointed when he comes to the majors, and has to adjust within 30 days of being here, hitting around .260 with a .400 slugging percentage. Who knows if he’s even ready to handle major league pitching staff behind the plate.
I can’t wait to see what Montero can do in the majors, but I don’t think he will show the rest of the Yankees the fountain of youth.
They have to call up Molina for tomorrow’s game. Martin will definitely sit out tomorrow and who knows how many other games. You can’t have Cervelli catching for 2-3 games.
YT, gotta wonder if Cervelli makes a good throw to 2nd & throws out the runner big papi doesn’t come to the plate. ah, whatever…
I need to put this game behind me & Cervelli needs to go
I do agree that the Yankees need more speed on this team.
We need to turn some infield outs, inside singles, turn those outs in errors with pressure. Steal second, cause an error on second, than go to third, or steal third. Turn that single into a double, that double into a triple. Score from first base. Get the pitcher nervous about stealing second and rattle him causing a flat pitch.
It’s boring to watch the Yankees on the base pads because we all know nothing will happen.
It’s hard to understand. Cash focused on the farm system and rightly touted out, but then doesn’t really exploit it.
It’s disappointing.
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Seriously.
He talked about how much great pitching depth the Yankees have all spring, yet Pendelton, Marquez, Sanit, and Ayala are in the BP?
You have to be kidding me.
Found this:
Jesus Montero has been out of each Triple A Scranton’s last three games with an eye infection. He should be back in the next couple of days.
Kanekoa Texeira was injured in Scranton’s game last night and will be placed on the disabled list. Tim Norton has been called up from Double A Trenton to replace him. Norton has been very good this year pitching to a 1.55 ERA, saving six games, and having a 44/8 K/BB ratio.
Tim Norton should be on the fast tract to the majors!!
“Red Sox second baseman Dustin Pedroia will return to Boston tomorrow to have his right knee examined is facing the possibility of surgery that would sideline him for at least a month.
Pedroia was injured on May 16 when he fell on his knee fielding a ball against the Orioles. He described the procedure, which will be done at Massachusetts General Hospital, as a “needle with a camera on it” that will determine the extent of the damage.
If necessary, Pedroia would then have the surgery immediately.
“It could keep me out a month,” he said. “It’s not what I want. But I have to get it checked out. It’s been bothering me a lot.”
Pedroia said that his lack of production at the plate is attributable to his knee and surgically repaired left foot.
“It’s hard to hit with something is wrong with your legs,” he said. “I’ve been trying.”
Pedroia is hitting .247 with a 338 on-base percentage this season. If he is placed on the disabled list, the Red Sox could use Jed Lowrie at second base and Marco Scutaro at shortstop. Drew Sutton also has experience at second base.”
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....tra_bases/
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Asked what he hit by a reporter, big papi answered, “a bomb.”
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
Oritz: “i don’t care about what girardi said. I’ve got almost 370 bombs …. I don’t want to make a big deal bec I bat flipped 1.”
If this clown doesn’t get drilled tomorrow I think I will join in on setting myself on fire. The Sox own yankee stadium right now and are kicking sand in their faces
Rich in NJ…….Could it be that Cashman now views the farm as more of a trading chip policy ??/ Looking for the next Granderson type opportunity or to a lesser extent a Lance Berkman?? Who by the has been playing well ever since last September when he finally got healthy
Pedroia will return to Boston tomorrow to have his right knee examined
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Awww poor smurf
LGY,
seems to be doing just fine against us this year
Man. The 162 game season sure takes it’s toll.
38HotDogs,
Your dreaming if you think CC will do anything to Papi tomorrow. We will just hear more garbage about it not being the right time
Who does Ortiz think he is? He’s not Pujols, Arod, Thome, or Griffey…in the grand scheme of things, he’s just a blip on the radar screen of baseball history. 50 years from now, no one but die hard Red Sox fans will have any clue who he is or how many homeruns he hit
What the Yankees better do tomorrow is WIN.
Good night all.
lol
DocGooden16
In the 80s Ortiz would be laying on his ass right now after the stunt he pulled last night
3 hours ago
Pedroia: ‘I can’t hit well, my foot has been surgically REPAIRED. I’ve been trying.’
Jeter: ‘I’ve been WORKING in the cage, and have made progress. My foot is no excuse for my lackluster performance.’
Yankees win.
Had David Ortiz been signed by the Yankees instead of Jason Giambi, how many more pennants and WS would that Yankees have won. We’ll never know!
After his release from the Minnesota Twins, New York Yankees owner George Steinbrenner wanted to sign David Ortiz, but was talked out of it by his baseball people.
So much for Michael Kay saying everyone likes Ortiz. If someone I liked talked about me like that, I wouldn’t consider that a friend, or a close acquaintance.
Someone needs to throw at his feet a couple times tomorrow, I want to see him dance.
Gooden is a coke head. Who cares who a loser free basing cocaine addict says?
After watching Clippard, McCutchen, and Melancon dominate out of the bullpen for other teams, it would be foolish for the Yankees not to give their young kids a shot. See if we have any more Robertsons lurking around the system.
Ortiz and Manny were getting roided up in Boston.
Who cares what a roided up roid head says?
# RS June 8th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
After watching Clippard, McCutchen, and Melancon dominate out of the bullpen for other teams, it would be foolish for the Yankees not to give their young kids a shot. See if we have any more Robertsons lurking around the system.
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but if those kids stumble how soon will they hit the panic button
Any word on Pedro Feliciano?
Kevin Whelan deserves a chance, especially now that Joba is out, probably until early July.
When Colon comes back down to earth this rotation is really going to be in trouble. I really hope Cashman is aggressive and tries to get something done at the trade deadline instead of making it seem like the rotation isn’t a problem now and for next year.
Pat M
If he does and it’s of his own volition, he needs to go.
This team has too many aging/declining players not to use the farm to replenish/supplement the existing roster, and under the current CBA, you can’t get a sufficient number of quality starting pitchers unless you grown your own.
That’s why we’re stuck with AJ.
CC is the only Yankee with any stones. He has been the only Yankee to hit Boston batters intentionally.
Burnett, for all his tatoos and biker-boy persona, is a softy at heart and only hits guys when he has no idea how to throw a strike. Hughes is a mega softy, in the mold of Mussina.
Andy didn’t hit guys, but at least he won big games.
Need to get some guys in here with some attitude. This team is getting softer and softer. Hopefully once the core 4 evaporates and we infuse some guys from the farm like Betances, Heathcott, Montero, etc., we will gain some stones in the process.
RS,
You’re absolutely right. It always seems as if we give real talent out when we trade for players. But when we are the ones receiving prospects their nothing but scraps.
I liked every one of those players you mentioned. I surprised that they’ve reached their potentials so early on. Hopefully they can maintain it.
Don’t be surprised if they sign with the yankees in 15 years when they are on the decline.
“Gooden is a coke head. Who cares who a loser free basing cocaine addict says?”
The only thing that matters in this instance is that he’s right.
Kevin Whelan has never demonstrated the control he’s showing this year. I don’t believe he’s for real. He’s pitched like 26 innings this year.
Am I going to believe the 26 innings from this year or the 321 innings prior to this year?
Unless at the age of 27 he’s finally “found it”. I seriously doubt it though.
“The only thing that matters in this instance is that he’s right.”
In your opinion. Throwing 90+ mph projectiles at people is STUPID.
Wanna make Ortiz shut up? Pitch him better.
I highly doubt Cashman is going to get any impact player (like a Granderson) for even a combination of Noesi, Norton, Whelan, Phelps, Warren, etc. So him ‘exposing’ them at the ML level has no consequence. We need them to win games because the garbage in the pen now will rear its head very soon.
Kevin Whelan has never demonstrated the control he’s showing this year. I don’t believe he’s for real. He’s pitched like 26 innings this year.
Am I going to believe the 26 innings from this year or the 321 innings prior to this year?
Unless at the age of 27 he’s finally “found it”. I seriously doubt it though.
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Who cares? He is pitching well right now and the Yankees bullpen is filled with no talent retreads.
There is no downside to giving him a shot over some scrub like Sanit or Marquez.
“Unless at the age of 27 he’s finally “found it”. I seriously doubt it though.”
See Boone Logan last year. Or Jokim Benoit who made himself $15 million dollars after one brilliant season after a career of ineptitude.
There is no rhyme or reason to relievers. Might as well try it out.
Idiots Orel and Ravech on baseball tonight are actually putting the pedroia injury on cervy sliding in too hard at 2nd on jeters dp ball. Again can’t make this stuff up. They are expecting Beckett to have a say tomorrow night about it.
Both pitchers might be tossed early tomorrow due to beanings. Lord knows the Sux players have a few coming to them. I don’t know what Ortiz would have to do for someone to step up and put one in his backside. The guy acts like he has a key to NYC or something.
“but if those kids stumble how soon will they hit the panic button”
then we’re right back to square one with Sanit and Pendleton, aren’t we? lol
On the road, I asked my daughter to check the score. 8-5 Red Sox. Ugh. I knew there was carnage, even before she gave me the pitching box score.
Hopefully, they get the win tomorrow. If we had a winning record against the Sox, they’d be in our rear view mirror.
I know that getting bit by a mosquito is more painful than getting hit by Wakefield, but seriously, another one?
I’ve never understood the mentality of people.
“The guy flipped his back, now we must make him pay by putting him on his ass!!!!”
He wouldn’t flip his bat if he got pitched to better.
Robinson Cano, Alex Rodriguez and countless others admire their homeruns. Maybe they all should be made to be put on their ass. That’ll teach these guys to be such showboaters!!!!
The nerve of Ortiz to keep talking. Who does he think he is??
Oh yeah, he’s the guy that’s been destroying the Yankees for years.
Pitch Ortiz better and then maybe he will STFU.
“In your opinion. Throwing 90+ mph projectiles at people is STUPID.”
Of course, it’s my opinion. It’s part of the game. You throw at someone’s legs. It’s quite brilliant, actually.
“Wanna make Ortiz shut up? Pitch him better.”
Bob Gibson would laugh in your face.
TheStraw June 8th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Burnett’s 2011 is startingbto resemble 2010.
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RiverAveBlues did a nice breakdown of AJ’s 2011 vs. 2010 and came to the same conclusion.
He’s just not very strong mentally. What can the Yanks do?? But does he have to pitch his worst against the Sox when just a few years ago he shut them down? Weird…
“Who cares? He is pitching well right now and the Yankees bullpen is filled with no talent retreads.
There is no downside to giving him a shot over some scrub like Sanit or Marquez.”
He’s thrown 26 innings this year. He’s a no talent retread just like the rest of them. The guy’s just not that good. That’s why he’s been in the minors for 7 seasons.
Hey, they can call him up, I don’t care. But I expect absolutely nothing from him.
Yogi Mantle June 8th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
At least we still have Pollyana as the manager.
You got that right.
The positive, after the crappy 6th inning, Logan got it together & pitched well. Maybe he’s now fixed. LOL
Rich in NJ……Cashman could be gone come November 1st…..I hope what I posted about a shift in policy is not the new direction…..But as we know and come to understand, the future is always now…..
# RS June 8th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
“but if those kids stumble how soon will they hit the panic button”
then we’re right back to square one with Sanit and Pendleton, aren’t we? lol
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yes we are
Wang IS Taiwan, it is weird. But I have a feeling AJ’ll be fine against them in their next meeting. A lot happened wrong in this game. I see the black cloud lifting… Tho I’ve been wrong before.
Pat M
The one time the future wasn’t now was in the early to mid-90s when Stick had the freedom to lay the foundation with young players for some historic teams. That model should be copied, not discarded.
This team is at a crossroads. They can either do the right thing, or give a constructive middle finger to the fans by just pretending to win.
He’s thrown 26 innings this year. He’s a no talent retread just like the rest of them. The guy’s just not that good. That’s why he’s been in the minors for 7 seasons.
Hey, they can call him up, I don’t care. But I expect absolutely nothing from him.
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And he’s pitching well. What does it matter how many innings it is as long as he is throwing the ball well?
Who cares what happens down the line? What he is doing right now is all that matters.
And Whelan has always had talent. He just never could control the ball before this year.
Holy sh*t, I haven’t seen this much overreacting since Obama was elected president. Calm down people. It was a sh*tty game. Albeit against one of our chief rivals, and following another sh*tty game. It’s not the end of the season people. It should certainly open some eyes up as to things this team badly is putting off improving on. Put it in perspective and move on.
Bob Gibson would laugh in your face
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Gibson wouldn’t keep throwing fatties in the opposing batter’s happy place.
“Bob Gibson would laugh in your face.”
So intentionally hitting players is a good thing? I don’t care what Bob Gibson thinks to be honest with you.
I played basketball for years. You don’t intentionally undercut a guy because he dunked on you and celebrated his dunk.
Just like you don’t intentionally hit a guy cause he’s making you look silly hitting all types of homeruns off of you.
But hey, I don’t care. If you think that’s good baseball then more power to you. I think it’s dumb as hell.
Yankees hit Ortiz then Beckett retaliates and hits Alex on the wrist, breaks it and he’s out for the year.
Oh yeah, that’ll teach Ortiz to stop showboating.
LockDown — really do admire the optimism. AJ is such a nice guy. Someone referred to him as a softie at heart. True enough. I guess the tats are to make people think he’s a tough guy. (He’s not fooling anyone…)
You know he feels awful about his performance, but that’s not good enough. We need him to keep the Yanks in the game — at least give them a chance.
“Gibson wouldn’t keep throwing fatties in the opposing batter’s happy place.”
He moved hitters off the plate with regularity and dusted hitters that took him deep.
Not everyone can pitch as well as he did, but they can claim the inside of the plate for themselves the way he did. You do that by not letting a hitter be too comfortable.
“And he’s pitching well. What does it matter how many innings it is as long as he is throwing the ball well?
Who cares what happens down the line? What he is doing right now is all that matters.
And Whelan has always had talent. He just never could control the ball before this year.”
Because 26 innings versus 321 innings. Which one tells the real story?
Every player in the minor leagues has talent. A pitcher not having control is not a very good pitcher.
Maybe he suddenly found his control this year. I doubt it. But, as I said before if they want to call him up I don’t care.
What is with all this retaliation for showboating nonsense about Ortiz. Grow up, what ticks me off is that either our manager or our pitching staff doesn’t have the stones to throw Ortiz some chin music. Make the guy uncomfortable, he’s making it look like batting practice. I don’t give a flying f what he does after a home run, the problem is the home run itself.
Rich in NJ….You and I have had this dialog several times over the past few years and we recognize that winning or at least try to win while rebuilding ot retooling is a most challenging task….After winning it all in 09 I thought the Front Office would take the early 90′s blueprint more seriously…….Especially after the Lee melodrama
The bat flip was annoying, but Youk’s face is even more annoying.
If/when CC plunks a Sock tomorrow night, it will be because Lester hit Tex and then repeated on Martin. Just like CC’s done before.
If he doesn’t, then I guess they’re over it.
“So intentionally hitting players is a good thing? I don’t care what Bob Gibson thinks to be honest with you.”
I don’t care if you care. This starts, as I just said, by moving hitters off the plate. You don’t have to hit them to do that.
“I played basketball for years. You don’t intentionally undercut a guy because he dunked on you and celebrated his dunk.”
Do you really believe your slanted nonsense? You put a body on a guy and foul him hard. You don’t have to undercut him.
“But hey, I don’t care. If you think that’s good baseball then more power to you. I think it’s dumb as hell.”
You know what’s dumb as hell? The way you distort the meaning of my posts.
“Yankees hit Ortiz then Beckett retaliates and hits Alex on the wrist, breaks it and he’s out for the year.”
As if Beckett wouldn’t do that anyway.
I haven’t given up hope of that, Pat.
# Pat M. June 8th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Rich in NJ….You and I have had this dialog several times over the past few years and we recognize that winning or at least try to win while rebuilding ot retooling is a most challenging task….After winning it all in 09 I thought the Front Office would take the early 90?s blueprint more seriously…….Especially after the Lee melodrama
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winning in 09 probably made them feel they were on the brink of another dynasty.
Let’s revisit the original Gooden tweet:
DocGooden16
In the 80s Ortiz would be laying on his ass right now after the stunt he pulled last night
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You can put him on his ass without hitting him.
But ray either doesn’t know that or chooses not to know that.
I don’t care about retaliation. The best way to get back at them is to win the division. But they’re making it hard on themselves by giving them such a big edge in the season series.
He moved hitters off the plate with regularity and dusted hitters that took him deep
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Yeah, he did.
Don’t know whether it’s a Yankee thing or just the way baseball is today. Not a lot of pitchers do as you suggest. Not sure batters are made as uncomfortable by it either. Last night, just before Ortiz took Noesi deep, he was pitched waaay inside. Didn’t seem to discourage him.
“winning in 09 probably made them feel they were on the brink of another dynasty.”
With the age of Jeter, Mo, Pettitte, and Po. I doubt it.
Wang IS Taiwan,
Aj is a good guy, but my thinking on him is not about that. He’s no CC. But he has pitched well for most of the year.
When I look at this game, I dont see it like the Garcia game where everything Garcia threw was hit hard. Aside from the errors & some defensive woes, there were pitches he made to get grounders to get out of innings. He made these pitches, but got dribbling infield hits which ultimately lead to more runs tacked on.
So the game could have gone a different way had other things gone differently.
Also, didn’t like Cervelli’s call selections. When Martin catches AJ throws in all 4 corners. Tonight it was all the same. He didn’t throw his nasty curve when having a hitter down in count. Could be due to wanting to keep it simple for Cervelli.
I believe given another shot at the redsox. A clean game. Better catcher. He could get a win
Core 4 DVD set?
Lol, all right.
Odds…..They had a very solid shot at winning it all last season….And they still have a similar shot this season as well……The bullpen injuries will be an issue going forward…..Hell at this point I’m almost ready to dump Jones and give those ab’s to Nuenz…..
Cashman is in an impossible situation considering there is no quick fix. The FA market is devoid of impact players next year. So basically, this is the team next year as well, a year older, with some new rookies maybe. Maybe a new RF.
He tries to be patient – he is overruled with Soriano like moves
He tries to go for it – he ends up with AJ Burnett, overpaying Jeter, etc.
As Rich said, they are at the cross-roads now. There is no 2008 season – where we had a bunch of old players/big contracts coming off the books, plus a monster FA class, and an improving farm. All we have next year is an improving farm. That is going to sink or swim us depending on how we utilize it. We unfortunately can’t buy ourselves out of a true rebuilding situation. Which is why it is even more puzzling why they don’t try to expedite the process by implementing some guys this year. What are we gaining by letting these veterans (Garcia, Ayala, Posada, Carlyle, Jones) who will all be gone next year, take up space in favor of a young kid?
Lockdown — you’re right about AJ missing Martin. I mentioned earlier in the game that AJ + Cervelli was an ADHD combo from hell.
It was a sloppy game in so many ways.
Well at least these sux trolls can cry about pedroia for a little while. Damper the party a little bit.
Whatever people’s personal preferences are, the Yanks — some of them, like CC — do sometimes retaliate.
I don’t think that’s going to change any time soon.
Wang IS Taiwan
AJ/Cervelli don’t work. AJ leads the leage in swing & miss on curve balls, which means he has the best curve.
How many times did Cervelli have to drop & dig for a nasty “swing & miss” curve? hardly ever in this game. That’s the difference. You take his bread and butter pitch from him & he’s not the same Also, he threw regular curves for strikes. Imagine how much better he would have been if he had the courage to throw the nasty stuff tonight.
Once Cervelli made his 1st error, I think AJ shyed from it.
I’m willing to give AJ another shot. Garcia though scares me against them. They were swinging from jump.
And it was a sloppy game.
# Rich in NJ June 9th, 2011 at 12:00 am
“winning in 09 probably made them feel they were on the brink of another dynasty.”
With the age of Jeter, Mo, Pettitte, and Po. I doubt it.
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True but Andy was still giving them good starts, Mo is Mo, Posada would eventually leave the team, Montero knocking on the door, Hughes taking huge steps forward, Cano having a bounce back yr, Tex providing defense and offense at 1st base, Aj went through the season healthy and pitched well, Joba going through his first yr as a starter, etc. Yes there was age on the team but there were also things that lead ppl to believe the Yankees were once again a top team in the game.
What exactly does “dusted hitters that took him deep” mean
Since I’m distorting what you’re trying to say.
# Pat M. June 9th, 2011 at 12:03 am
Odds…..They had a very solid shot at winning it all last season….And they still have a similar shot this season as well……The bullpen injuries will be an issue going forward…..Hell at this point I’m almost ready to dump Jones and give those ab’s to Nuenz…..
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I’m ok with Nunez getting more abs. I like the kid.
AAO
I agree that they thought they had a window for another WS, maybe two. That’s why they tried to trade Montero for Halladay and subsequently, Lee, but a dynasty connotes a longer time horizon to me.
They’re still good and can still win the WS, but they need to integrate their higher ceiling young players (that way, even if they don’t win now, they’re laying the foundation for winning in the future), and not the marginal veterans they have relied on too often this season.
Yes there was age on the team but there were also things that lead ppl to believe the Yankees were once again a top team in the game that wasn’t legitimately built for a nice run and not just a 1 yr trip.
True but Andy was still giving them good starts, Mo is Mo, Posada would eventually leave the team, Montero knocking on the door, Hughes taking huge steps forward, Cano having a bounce back yr, Tex providing defense and offense at 1st base, Aj went through the season healthy and pitched well, Joba going through his first yr as a starter, etc. Yes there was age on the team but there were also things that lead ppl to believe the Yankees were once again a top team in the game.
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And in the first half of ’10, they looked like they would cruise to a title. Burnett started off great, Vazquez settled in after a bad month, and CC/Andy/Hughes were all-stars. Offense was in good shape with Cano leading the way, no one really having a bad year (unlike this year where seemingly everyone is on pace for career-worst seasons). We were the best team in the AL, just coming off a title.
Then things all fell apart in August. What we’re seeing this year is just a continuation of that.
“raymagnetic June 9th, 2011 at 12:11 am
What exactly does “dusted hitters that took him deep” mean
Since I’m distorting what you’re trying to say.”
There are at least two ways to do it: 1) You can throw at a guys legs (the term is make them “skip rope”). It often causes a player to lose his balance. 2) You can just throw inside maybe gut to chest high high, not at him, just enough to move him off the plate. Most players dive into the dirt to avoid the pitch.
So in effect they have been dusted without being hit.
I actually think we have a dynasty coming. But it’s not today. I think the birth of it is when Betances comes & it begins when Banuelos joins him. We have youth coming that will be added to our team
# Rich in NJ June 9th, 2011 at 12:14 am
AAO
I agree that they thought they had a window for another WS, maybe two. That’s why they tried to trade Montero for Halladay and subsequently, Lee, but a dynasty connotes a longer time horizon to me.
They’re still good and can still win the WS, but they need to integrate their higher ceiling young players (that way, even if they don’t win now, they’re laying the foundation for winning in the future), and not the marginal veterans they have relied on too often this season.
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I would like to see it happen. I would like to see some guys get their feet wet. I’m just not sure they could handle the growing pains. I like Nova and I understand he’s not one of our prized gems but yet you get the feeling that whenever he pitches it’s for his spot in the rotation. Even if he doesn’t say it he has to feel that every start he makes has to be a good one or it’s back to AAA.
“I actually think we have a dynasty coming. But it’s not today. I think the birth of it is when Betances comes & it begins when Banuelos joins him. We have youth coming that will be added to our team”
I hope Cashman is thinking that. Not about trading all of them for a Justin Upton or John Danks. We’re not 1 player away. We need to integrate multiple young high-ceiling players into the team.
# REZ12 June 9th, 2011 at 12:17 am
True but Andy was still giving them good starts, Mo is Mo, Posada would eventually leave the team, Montero knocking on the door, Hughes taking huge steps forward, Cano having a bounce back yr, Tex providing defense and offense at 1st base, Aj went through the season healthy and pitched well, Joba going through his first yr as a starter, etc. Yes there was age on the team but there were also things that lead ppl to believe the Yankees were once again a top team in the game.
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And in the first half of ’10, they looked like they would cruise to a title. Burnett started off great, Vazquez settled in after a bad month, and CC/Andy/Hughes were all-stars. Offense was in good shape with Cano leading the way, no one really having a bad year (unlike this year where seemingly everyone is on pace for career-worst seasons). We were the best team in the AL, just coming off a title.
Then things all fell apart in August. What we’re seeing this year is just a continuation of that.
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It might be a continuation of that. I just hope they can get out of it sooner rather than later.
“Even if he doesn’t say it he has to feel that every start he makes has to be a good one or it’s back to AAA.”
While Garcia, a 36 yr old veteran who won’t even be here next year, gets a long leash. Doesn’t that just exemplify the flaw in our developmental process?
AAO
If they don’t endure growing pains, their chances of winning WS regularly again will be greatly reduced.
Ayala, Carlisle, Jones, etc. are really not better options.
So the benefits far outweigh the costs.
I hope Cashman is thinking that. Not about trading all of them for a Justin Upton or John Danks. We’re not 1 player away. We need to integrate multiple young high-ceiling players into the team.
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True we are not a quick fix away from solving all our problems. There are fans that believe if we trade for Felix we automatically end up in the fall classic. WTF
Yeah, 1 player wont solve our problem. I keep hearing how we’re an old team. I’m starting to think this may be true in some ways. We have declining players mixed with slumping players.
An infusion of youth can add a spark to this team. It just feels dead. We didn’t even run on wakefield tonight. It’s like they’re all standing around waiting for some one else to make things happen.
I say keep our most precious prospects & save our future. Don’t trade it for an old FA on the decline.
They’re still good and can still win the WS, but they need to integrate their higher ceiling young players (that way, even if they don’t win now, they’re laying the foundation for winning in the future), and not the marginal veterans they have relied on too often this season.
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Totally agree. I’m not clear on why they don’t.
They’re still good and can still win the WS, but they need to integrate their higher ceiling young players (that way, even if they don’t win now, they’re laying the foundation for winning in the future), and not the marginal veterans they have relied on too often this season.
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Speaking of which, Jones has had a couple of good games, but he’s really mostly a swing & miss guy. Would have rather have given Maxwell a shot. He also adds speed.
# Rich in NJ June 9th, 2011 at 12:22 am
AAO
If they don’t endure growing pains, their chances of winning WS regularly again will be greatly reduced.
Ayala, Carlisle, Jones, etc. are really not better options.
So the benefits far outweigh the costs.
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I agree unfortunately the Steinbrenner philosophy still runs through the organization.