Pregame notes: Yankees puzzled by Chamberlain’s injury
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Jun 09, 2011 
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I’m going to have to make this pretty quick because I still have a ton of interview stuff to listen through and a lot of words to write for the newspaper. You already know the basics: A dye contrast MRI today showed that Joba Chamberlain has a torn ligament in his right elbow. Chamberlain said he broke down in tears soon after hearing the news.
It’s not certain that Chamberlain will have Tommy John surgery, but that seems unavoidable. The MRI results are being sent to Dr. James Andrews.
Chamberlain and the Yankees are perplexed. He never felt the ligament tear and his only symptom is some tightness after throwing. Chamberlain’s velocity has been good and he’s been able to throwing breaking balls, which usually cause pitchers considerable pain when they need Tommy John. Chamberlain also has no problem doing little things — opening a door, twisting off the cap of a water bottle — which usually cause some discomfort for Tommy John candidates.
“Joba must have a high pain threshold,” Joe Girardi said. “In the future, if he was to say something, you would have to say it might be worse than he is leading on. I’m watching him do things today, things that are supposed to bother a guy that needs Tommy John. It’s not bothering him at all. The lesson to be learned: The body’s an interesting thing.”
Chamberlain showed up heavier than usual in spring training, but his arm was never an issue, and both Girardi and Brian Cashman said they don’t believe Chamberlain’s offseason conditioning is to blame for the current problem. He’s pitched well this season, but the pitching seems to have cost him his elbow.
Cashman said no trade market has emerged for a reliever — “Not to my knowledge,” he said — and while the Yankees will look into the organization for potential help, Cashman said Andrew Brackman, Dellin Betances and Manny Banuelos are not options. Brackman’s not pitching well enough, and Betances and Banuelos aren’t ready.
Here’s Girardi.
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UPDATE, 6:40 p.m.: No first-pitch time announced, but the Yankees and Red Sox will start in a delay.
• Phil Hughes pitched two innings in extended spring training today. Because it was in a game, the Yankees had a radar gun on him and Hughes was 90-92 with his fastball. That seems pretty encouraging for a guy at this stage of his rehab. “A lot of 92s,” Girardi said.
• Hughes will start in the Gulf Coast League on Tuesday.
• Russell Martin had an MRI that showed no structural damage in his back. “He’s slightly improved from yesterday,” Girardi said. “But not enough to go.” Martin said he felt bad this morning, but his back has felt better as the day has progressed. He wouldn’t be surprised if he’s able to play tomorrow.
• Cashman revealed that the Yankees finally diagnosed Mark Prior with a hernia. He could be headed for surgery. Obviously he’s not an option to fill Chamberlain’s spot.
UPDATE, 8:43 p.m.: Nevermind, the Yankees just clarified to say that Prior was tested for a sports hernia but those tests came back negative. He’s out with an abdominal and groin strain.
• Speaking of relievers: Pedro Feliciano has begun playing catch, but Rafael Soriano has not. “We’re still a ways away,” Girardi said.
• Jorge Posada said everything went well with his son’s surgery. This was his son’s ninth surgery, and it’s supposed to be the last one. “But they said that the last time,” Posada said. Posada got home from the hospital around 9 p.m. and checked the score of the Yankees game, but he didn’t watch it because his son wanted Posada to lie in bed with him after the surgery, so Posada stayed there and fell asleep next to his little boy.
• Tarp is on the field. Looks like this game might not start on time.
RED SOX
Jacoby Ellsbury CF
Marco Scutaro 2B
Adrian Gonzalez 1B
Kevin Youkilis 3B
David Ortiz DH
Jed Lowrie SS
Carl Crawford LF
Mike Cameron RF
Jason Varitek C
Associated Press photo
At least Whelan will get a shot soon.
Then Norton???
Boy, hearing about Joba breaking down in tears is rough. For all the criticism we hurl towards the players, they are only human – not robots. Poor kid.
Joelsherman1 I heard #Yankees strongly leaning toward promoting Triple-A closer Kevin Whelan in next few days (1.67 ERA/18 svs for SWB)
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Strongly leaning?
What are they twiddling their thumbs about?
but he didn’t watch it because his son wanted Posada to lay in bed with him after the surgery, so Posada stayed there and fell asleep next to his little boy.
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awwww
Glad everything went OK.
Good news on Hughes and Martin
Norton is on DL , no?
these injuries are getting ridiculous
Maxwell, Norton, Prior, Feliciano, Sori, Joba, Phil, Chavez, etc etc etc etc etc
nobody is going to feel sorry for the Yanks, that’s for sure.
time for others to pick up the slack and get the job done.
Heres hoping the lineup gets tweaked in the twelfth hour and Monteros name is in there for Cervelli as the surprise guest. That would for sure fire up the troops.
Jorge sleeps while Yankees lose??
More insubordination!
SoS,
Whileni have not been touting Montero’s promotion, your idea of a surprise infusion made me smile. Why the heck not?
Jorge sleeps while Yankees lose??
More insubordination!
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Posada pulling a Ken Griffey Jr??
The Yankees did nothing wrong, injuries are a part of the game. Joba will be back and will still be relatively young.
As far as Hughes is concerned, he’s a great talent that I fully expect to be a very good starter for the Yankees for years to come. Sore arm; tired arm; inflammation; whatever the case was, I think he’s on his way back.
..must proofread…
Are they affraid to start the mlb clock on these minor leaguers? Every top prospect is NOT READY so they say. But these retread minor league bench warmers are?
The only thing I can think of is that Whelan’s not on the 40 man.
But it’s a moot point because Joba’s going on the 60 day, freeing up a spot
austinmac,
For a second there I thought you were having trouble spelling Whelen. Maybe mixing Cervellis name with his.
Even worse, he was dreaming about playing cards in the clubhouse.
Are they affraid to start the mlb clock on these minor leaguers? Every top prospect is NOT READY so they say. But these retread minor league bench warmers are?
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Basically a team like the yankees is scared to put legit prospects on the 40 man before they absolutely have to because its easier to drop nobodies for more nobodies or for trades or free agents. Put a good prospect on the 40 man and have to suffer as they get shuffled back and forth? Oh my heavens no!
Yankees just officially announced that they’re expecting to start in a delay.
Norton has some kind of shoulder problem, and was in the running for a call up before having to go on the DL. Feel like if he isn’t out for the rest of his life he’ll be up this year.
As the Yankee injuries keep friggin piling up…. the Sox luck out BIG:
A thorough examination of Dustin Pedroia’s right knee Thursday revealed only a bruised knee cap. Pedroia will avoid surgery and could return to the Red Sox starting lineup as early as Friday night.
I didn’t see the earlier threads…
did anyone have an opinion on that clown Ortiz’s comments?
If the Yankees had called up Norton yesterday he never pitches last night and hurts his elbow!
The Yankees strike again!!
Fat Papis comments seem like someone on a roid rage to me. Shakes must be back as part of his daily consumption.
LGY – man, you’re tough.
They just found out something that was totally unexpected. You think they might want to talk to a few people, maybe think a little bit first? Do you know Whelan’s condition at this exact moment? Are you expecting Whelan to make it to the Stadium tonight?
who cares about joba. he was an overhyped bust.
Im glad he’s done for the year and possibly forever. Don’t have to watch this fat tub poo poo around the mound anymore stinking up the joint for the Yankees.
Hopefully this means his Yankee career is over and he can go somewhere else that can manage pitching a bit better than the nincompoops in this organization.
BD,
In due time my friend. Bostons dl office will be open for business after the all star break. By then we will have reinforcement and making plans for October yet again.
SoS,
I know most people don’t wish for injuries to opposing players, but if it happens, I sure won’t feel bad for the Sox.
The Yanks certainly can’t afford any more major injuries.
Joe
I don’t understand why Whelan wasn’t up yesterday instead Sanit or Marquez
nice try Frozen Dope.
hopefully the Yanks can jump out to a lead tonight so we can get rid of your kind.
Oh no! The Red Sox have been playing Dustin Pedroia when he needed surgery! How could they be so negligent! What a crummy organization!
“Yankees just officially announced that they’re expecting to start in a delay.”
Great. How does a mid-2012 start sound?
Everyone might be healthy by then…
odds Ortiz gets plunked tonight by CC?
(if Ortiz plays against the lefty)
That’s a good question, about yesterday’s moves. I wonder if they figured that Dave and Joba could hold the fort in tight games. Now, however, it’s a different calculation. They need someone for the higher risk situations.
Personally, unless it was for roster flexibility reasons that I don’t know/understand, I don’t get why Marquez on the 25-man.
“Yankees just officially announced that they’re expecting to start in a delay.”
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That would explain why they havnt called upon any of their minor league studs yet.
Jeez. It’s pouring outside.
I just got blasted by rain without an umbrella.
This is a blessing to lose Sports Illustrated’s 3rd most overrated player (sarcasm)…
Not sure I get the Yankees roster. Better pen options and at some point, Cervelli needs to go down. He’s a back up that can’t play defense or throw.
Joe,
Joba was out of order last night.
If they dont know when this happened, I wonder if this is the cause of his velocity drop a few years back. Perhaps Tommy john will lead to his eventually return to the rotation? Cashman did say after all that he was “less physical” after his injury. Perhaps this is the cause
Poor Joba. This is terrible news.
Girardi on Francessa said he doesn’t believe in hitting players and doesn’t think its part of the game anymore? When did Torre start managing this team again?
LGY – you mean the rain hit you with it’s bare fist?
D-Rob stay healthy.
“I don’t get why Marquez on the 25-man.”
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that’s really the biggest question for me as well.
they literally rushed the guy to the team as if he was a key contributor to the team. he was cut by the White Sox. It’s not like he was tearing the minors up like some of the Yanks own guys were at the time.
I’ll obviously root for him to do well, but… it’s a little strange.
Any time now ESPN will come out with their headline story “Joba needs Tommy John from excessive fist pumps.”
LGY –you mean the rain hit you with it’s bare fist?
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Feels like I got hit with the last Joba fist pump for a couple years
Triple,
I posted this earlier today. Read #8 on the list.
My Fathers Day or sooner wish list.
1. Cut Cervelli
2. Bench Gardner(over rated. never was a great hitter in the minors and if he cant steal bases, hes useless. Speed only kills if you know how to use it.)
3. Bring up Montero or Romine.
4. Bring up Whelan and do away with the jokers we have in the pen that wouldnt even be pitching for the Royals. Trade all of them to the Pirates for one of those weiner runners.
5. Get Jeter out of the lead off position. Bat him 9th and see if he throws a fit.
6. Get Long to do his job and have him straighten out Cano and Alex. Cant go far without them.
7. Look to trade for Kerry Wood(someone mentioned it on the telecast last night.)
8. Find Girardi balls and give it back to him. He looks like hes morphing into Torre.
9. Get rid of Logan and find a lefty or righty in the minors that can throw strikes to lefties and get outs.
10. Start a fight with the sox to rekindle the fire this team seems to be missing.
Is this too much to ask for? Whos with me!!
SoS – I like the list – don’t agree with every item, but nearly every item…
“I still have a ton of interview stuff to listen through and a lot of words to write for the newspaper.”
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You write for a newspaper?
I thought you did this blog simply because you loved us….
And if the Yanks don’t want to fight the Sox…we’ll fight em!!!!
Meet us under the banner you stinkin bunch of ugly freaks !!!! (remember, no weapons)
SoS: you’re nuts.
If Whelan doesn’t pitch in a close game tonight, he’ll be in NY tomorrow.
I think the best bet would be to look into getting Wood back in pinstripes. Bell would cost too much imo
GB7,
I have been pulling for Whelan since they traded for him (though obviously thought Humberto Sanchez would be in NY first.)
Do you think his stuff will translate well to the majors?
I’m confused. Someone said that Pedroia was taken out on a dirty slide? When it was actually a pre-existing condition? Oh, well.
Would love a win tonight. Still tied in the loss column. So even though we’re tied with half the clubs in the win column, we still have one of the better records in the loss column.
Players need to wake up and step up.
“I think the best bet would be to look into getting Wood back in pinstripes.”
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doubtful but I suppose anything is possible. Wood made it $uper clear that he wanted to play for the Cubs this season.
And to think the Yanks will be seeing Mr. Wood next weekend when they visit Wrigley….Maybe he’ll come back on their charter
But he said this at the beginning of the season. With the Cubs being out of it maybe he changes his mind
Off topic.
My kids are out of school for the summer and I want them to learn some spanish. Anyone know a free/good online site where they can learn it? By the time theyre old enough to go out in the real world for work. It will be an absolute must in SoCal.
Maybe the Cubs will let Wood dictate his destination…
Maybe Kerry has had a change of heart being that his hometown Cubbies are like 12 games back thru the first 1/3 of the season
Triple,
perhaps, I’m sure the Yanks would jump on the opportunity.
I thought I read that Wood had a close relationship with the Cubs owners or front office and was even positioning himself for a role with the club after he retires though.
SoS,
Easy. Get a Spanish speaking nanny!
“Maybe the Cubs will let Wood dictate his destination…”
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if that’s the case, I think he stays in chicago.
BD (Boston Dave) June 9th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
GB7,
I have been pulling for Whelan since they traded for him (though obviously thought Humberto Sanchez would be in NY first.)
Do you think his stuff will translate well to the majors?
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Dave, it should. he’s always had “the stuff”. Command and control is what he never had much of.
Pat,
Heard some regulars are no longer hear because of hacking. I was in here one day when you were the culprit. Did that all get straightened out?
Great to hear that everything went well with Jorge’s son… Can’t imagine having a loved one (especially a child) go through 9 surgeries in that short of a time.
I could not believe that Joba had that serious of an injury. That bullpen is in rough shape. Amazing how it went from deep to shallow so quickly. Soriano needs to get his head on straight and heal quickly… He’s definitely needed now.
I’m still stunned by this news….hopefully they can make due until Soriano gets back and hopefully he comes back strong….they should be ok if that happens.
This may be a dumb question….but how does an injury like this affect Joba’s service time and how will they determine what he’ll make next year? Do they still do arbitration and all that for injured players? I’m assuming that this year will count on his service time and next will probably as well seeing that he should be back sometime next year…..what if a player in his first 6 years misses an entire season?
Wood was willing to sign with the Yanks for 2/10 so who knows.
SoS,
Easy. Get a Spanish speaking nanny!
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mel,
lol. I dont think my wife would go for it. I would get one that looks like the wife of that new show with Al Bundy(cant remember the name of it. Modern Family i think). The sad part is I was born in Venezuela was fluent till age 6 and forgot half of it. Sad.
Wood turned down #3-4 mil from the White sox over the winter to take a $1.5 mil deal with the Cubs. He also has a front office job waiting with the Cubs.
Blake,
Joba should be transferred to the 60 day DL in the next day or two.
For as long as he’s on the 60 day DL, he won’t accumulate any service time.
Hope that helps.
thanks GB7.
I figured that would be your response. i’m looking forward to his arrival, as the Yanks need someone to step up. why not him?
yeah I’m pretty sure Wood would retire first before being traded to another team. both the Yankees and Red Sox offered him $3m more than the Cubs and he turned them down
Because we have Cervelli.
swbyankeesTT Royals are calling up Moustakas. Jesus Montero now only member of BA’s 2011 top 10 prospects to play in AAA not get MLB call this season.
yes….very happy to hear little jorge is ok and I hope this is in fact his last time going through this
Ah, the lovely Senorita Vergara. There’s a great Diet Pepsi commercial with her and Becks.
How hard is the rain falling?
GC,
thanks !
a major injury to Joba seemed imminent with his role being in flux for so many years. I just thought it would be a few more years before surgery had to happen. a shame, as he wasn’t pitching terribly this year.
they have pretty good relief depth with good arms like Ayala and Noesi, but they’re obviously going to have to trade for a lefty that’s somewhat effective. I’m guessing that they will package Romine and a DJ Mitchell-type pitching prospect for someone. everyone should be fair game apart from Montero, Betances, and Banuelos. another useful trade should be for an actual useful DH, like Vlad or Willingham. they don’t really need to make a HUGE splash (no need to give up any of the top 3 prospects for a Ted Lilly-type starter), just some decent fill-ins.
you have to assume that Soriano will experience setback after setback and will pitch poorly or average when he gets back again anyways. still, Robertson is as good of setup man as anyone, so if Logan and Ayala can do well they’ll do fine.
it’s just ironic that it’s the younger players that are getting hurt.
Not for nothing, I’d rather watch Montero throw balls into CF instead of Cervelli. At least Jesus would have an excuse (i.e. he’s a rookie).
would be nice if a Yankee took less money to stay with them for once. Only one I remember was Oneill
I bought a Moustakas Northwest Arkansas Naturals t-shirt in KC last year… I might have to pull that one out of the closet tomorrow.
“a major injury to Joba seemed imminent with his role being in flux for so many years.”
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“imminent” yet “so many years” ?
I’m not sure it works that way. His role has been relatively defined for some time now.
blake,
Joba would have to be optioned to the minors before being placed on the 60 day DL to stop his service clock.
Dave, Whelan is now 27 years old and perhaps it was his time for things to click in. One can hope. No idea how severe Norton’s injury is, but, for him, he must be frustrated. It’s like horne and Chris Garcia. All of the talent in the world and a big arm that won’t cooperate. Hopefully, it’s just a twinge.
G-C
You accumulate service time on the 60 day DL as long as you are on the major league roster.
For example, Hughes’ service clock is progressing right now.
lgy,
how do they figure his salary for next year? same way as normal?
Any ETA on when the game will start?
It’s 1.30am here.
Gotta decide between going to bed or staying awake to watch the game.
Whether we want it or not, i would not be surprised to see Liriano sooner than later, and some other moves as well.
mel,
Yep thats her!! Sofia. I watched 2 shows and couldnt keep my tongue and drool in my mouth. Thought it would be best to walk away from it before my wife makes me sleep with the cat.
LGY,
Wow. Thanks for the clarification.
The good thing is I guess Joba still has options left and can be optioned and then placed on the DL? As to not accumulate any service time?
SoS…Can’t comment
they just said its looking like a start time around 9
9? Hmm that will be 3am here.
Don’t think ill be awake.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
Good story on the scout that brought Jeter to the Bronx. 5 other teams passed on him. Question is did they simply pass on him, or did Jeter make it clear he wouldn’t sign with them?
AMS,
just stay up long enough to see CC (hopefully) drill Papi in the ribs in the 2nd inning.
then you can go to bed with a smile.
blake,
tbh, I’m not sure how the salary thing works. Jerkface probably knows.
SoS June 9th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
mel,
Yep thats her!! Sofia. I watched 2 shows and couldnt keep my tongue and drool in my mouth. Thought it would be best to walk away from it before my wife makes me sleep with the cat.
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That’s just begging for a smart ass remark, but, I just can’t.
Watching Jeter’s first hit from that link. It’s so grainy. Like man on the moon kind of grainy.
LGY,
thanks….I would guess that he’d still be an Arb 2 ?
Pat,
Are we at least safer in here?
And Tino was the 1B. Didn’t even give Jeter the time of day. They played the game right.
“Watching Jeter’s first hit from that link. It’s so grainy. Like man on the moon kind of grainy. ”
HD TV is great….but I could do without the detailed sweat dripping off Youkalis’s face….
blake,
If he isn’t optioned to the minors first he would just progress through arb normally. If he is optioned to the minors first I am not sure what they have to pay him.
SOS–
A friend recently gave me Rosetta Stone so I could learn some new languages. I haven’t tried it yet, but supposedly it is a good starting course.
Montero is still out with eye infection
LGY,
interesting…..wonder if they’ll even consider rehabbing him as a starter. I highly doubt it but they’ll have time now if they want to.
HD TV is great….but I could do without the detailed sweat dripping off Youkalis’s face….
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Aceves was ridiculous last night. He was just dripping. I haven’t seen someone sweat like that since Patrick Ewing.
Welcome back m. Where you been?
Still no official start time for tonight’s game, but the Yankees just announced that they do expect to play tonight.
GB7,
If theres anyone in here that can kick the door wide open when cracked, it would be you. Thanks for holding back old friend. Speaking of old. Im going to rent true grit this weekend. Being that you went to the theatres for the John Wayne version and probably watched this new release. Wanted to get your opinion on it compared to the original.
JR,
Thanks. In and out. Mostly out.
BOJO,
I was trying to be cheap about it and not pay $300 bucks for rosetta. The key word was free. I might have to resort to that and give up my daily dose of M n M’s.
there should be a window between 8 and 11. why not try for that? playing conditions currently seem adequate.
SoS, just from the movie clips I’ve seen, “True grit” is just a cheap knock-off of the original. Hard to top John Wayne as a western character.
Costas said they were expected to take the tarp off at 8:30 and play at 9
They could Aceves head between innings to do shamwow commercials.
SoS,
Get a free sample disk from RS. It’s basically the full version but with only a few lessons activated. Then you can get a feel for it (includes samples of all the languages).
Otherwise, you can download a version online. Just ask any teenager to help you.
Really sad news on Joba.
The new True Grit is just as bad as the original. Not a John Wayne fan.
SOS–
Have him get a job as a landscaper and work with illegal immigrants. They’ll teach him the basics.
“The new True Grit is just as bad as the original. Not a John Wayne fan.”
Yea he’s no Zac Efron
““The new True Grit is just as bad as the original. Not a John Wayne fan.”
Yea he’s no Zac Efron”
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m June 9th, 2011 at 7:43 pm
SoS,
Get a free sample disk from RS. It’s basically the full version but with only a few lessons activated. Then you can get a feel for it (includes samples of all the languages).
Otherwise, you can download a version online. Just ask any teenager to help you.
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Yeah–several torrent sites have the full version up that enable you to download a pirated version…your call if you wish to do that or not.
Thanks mel. Not a bad idea Bojo as long as the wife doesnt get to pick the landscaper they will work under.
RIP Jim Northrop. You broke a lot of Cardinal hearts in the ’68 WS. A very good outfielder and a fine hitter, and all around nice guy. He was 71.
John Wayne’s real name?
Marion Morrison
Zac was in Firefly. Points for that.
Thinking about this latest injury for Joba, it makes me wonder about his problems when he was starting and if the injury he had then was worse than was thought.
I know I have a high tolerance for pain. I hiked 100 miles with multiple broken bones in my feet, and while I felt some discomfort, I really had no idea till weeks after the hiking and my feet still felt discomfort that I had them checked.
Joba could have become more and more ineffective during his starting days due to an injury that was more significant than even he realized. While it affected his performance, it just might not have registered that the problem was due to working around the pain and injury.
Upon reflection, this injury could be the best possible thing for Joba’s career. It comes at a point where FO was pigeon-holing him as a set up reliever. Instead, he gets to put to bed the injury issue, build himself back up, and perhaps get a second chance at starting in the Yankee organization.
“Zac was in Firefly. Points for that.”
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true – too bad there weren’t more episodes…
Real pity about Maxwell. he had a lot of strikeouts, but, the average was climbing, the power and run production was outstanding. Add in the speed and sensational outfield play.. It was a home run catch that he got hurt on. going high over the fense and coming down on the top of the wall, His arm hit the top, right under his armpit.
One of my favorite shows ever.
Jayne: “Ten percent of nuthin’ is…let me do the math here…nuthin’ into nuthin’…carry the nuthin’…”
Wasn’t there some rumors that John Wayne basically avoided military service, but basically pretended to be a true American? Always seemed like a hypocrite to me. I didn’t care for him much.
GB,
Any idea how long Maxwell will be out for?
Did WCYF and Bojo just agree on something ? Their dislike of John Wayne…..moment in history
Too bad about Jim Northrup. A very good OFer. I recall that team with Mickey Stanley moving to SS and also Tom Tresh joining them…
He happens to be right on this one. He bailed on WWII because he had kids.
Yanks have more injury holes to plug than the normal NFL team.
“He happens to be right on this one. He bailed on WWII because he had kids.”
hey it’s a start….. friendship has sprung.
West Coast Yankee Fan June 9th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
He happens to be right on this one. He bailed on WWII because he had kids.
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I heard it was even more …cowardly…but no need to discuss here.
This is all one needs to know about Mr. Wayne IMO:
“I believe in white supremacy until blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.”
Jim Northrop? My goodness. Another part of my youth.
I remember that triple, over the head of Curt Flood…..Curt Flood, the best CF in the National League, misjudging a fly ball right at him, and the Cards lost that game. Only in baseball……That was a great World Series. Bob Gibson, Mickey Lolich, Lou Brock vs. Bill Freehan……. And Al Kaline. One of the greatest hitters in the game. He never played a game in the minor leagues, came straight out of high school.
blake June 9th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
“He happens to be right on this one. He bailed on WWII because he had kids.”
hey it’s a start….. friendship has sprung.
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Can you send me some of what you are smoking?
Bob Gibson versus Norm Cash…what a match up
“Can you send me some of what you are smoking?”
I got it from MTU….
Still no update on a first pitch, but the rumor up here is that it could be a while. Maybe as much as another hour. Again, that’s just a rumor. No clue whether it’s true.
blake June 9th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
“Can you send me some of what you are smoking?”
I got it from MTU….
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I was wondering if you were sampling that nitrous oxide a little too much….
“I was wondering if you were sampling that nitrous oxide a little too much….”
nah….that’s frowned upon
HBO has a documentary on the ’68 Tigers called A City on Fire.
I recommend it.
blake June 9th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
“I was wondering if you were sampling that nitrous oxide a little too much….”
nah….that’s frowned upon
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I thought it had the opposite effect!
SoS, Maxwell is out for the year with a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder.
Gallardo is pretty nasty
Blake-
Is there some news that we are trying to get Kerry Wood to replace Joba ?
MTU,
not that I’m aware of…..just speculation I think.
2 years ago, the Mets were crippled by injuries…last year it was the Red Sox…I wonder if this year could be the year the Yankees’ chances are hurt by the bug….hope not.
It takes a strong 40 man roster to play through the season, which Minaya never understood and Cashman does, but even our depth players are getting injured.
GB-
More freakin’ bad news.
At least Martin is OK.
And it appears as though Hughes is on the road to recovery.
Too bad for Maxwell…was really intrigued about how he adopted ARod’s approach to his natural abilities.
Hughes and Soriano could be as good as 2 big trade moves potentially….we’ll see.
Doesn’t Kerry Woods have control over trades at this point in his career. I don’t think he would approve a trade to NYC as he really wants to play in Chicago…
Blake-
If Hughes stays healthy he can be a real difference maker in the 2nd half.
Same with Soriano.
I liked your AM to do list. Can we go with that ?
BoJo……Memory tells me that The Bombers were devesated with injuries in 2008…..Lot of key players went down and down for the count
Bigger surprise right now the Diamondbacks or Indians?
MTU,
Hopefully they’ll try some of it…..whether or not other teams cooperate is another thing. The in house stuff though they should do pretty soon
Pat M.-
This BP sure has not panned out the way we hoped.
I thought the backend of games would be more secure than Ft. Knox.
Maybe in the 2nd half ?
“Bigger surprise right now the Diamondbacks or Indians?”
push. I think the Dbacks can hang around longer though because of their division. The Indians are headed for the middle of the pack in the central….I think the Tigers and White Sox both finish higher than them.
I wonder what excuse some of you have for “bailing” on VN, Iraq, Afghanistan and other conflicts.
Yes Blake. I think some of that is coming.
Blake-
N2O- Are you a Dentist, Anesthesiologist?
Indians.
Yesterday, I was “meh, we’ll see Hughes when we see him.”
Now, I’m much more interested in what’s going on and how he looks.
Some interesting convos today about Hughes’ role when he comes back.
How Nova does over his next few starts might factor into the decision making process. But I would NOT indict the Yankeees if they made Hughes the setup guy.
I care not for Soriano at this point, and until he’s back and throwing bullets then he doesn’t exist in my mind.
Bigger surprise-Mariners!
Trader,
1st one…..at least that’s what they tell me
GreenBeret7 June 9th, 2011 at 8:26 pm
I wonder what excuse some of you have for “bailing” on VN, Iraq, Afghanistan and other conflicts.
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Please.
“Bigger surprise-Mariners!”
true….I seriously thought they’d be epically bad…..which is why I also thought there was an outside shot they’d trade Felix
What hurt the yanks in ’08 was losing Posada and Pettitte pitching the last half of the year with a bum arm.
I’m more of an Eastwood person. But that’s a generational thing, I suppose.
I really embarrassed myself on the LAT Lakers site one time. One of the K brothers who run the blog had a full post on what a great American Mohammad Ali is. I kinda sorta brought up the conscientious objection thing, and a whole firestorm ensued.
I still stand by my opinion on that particular thing. But I learned one thing. There are a lot of people who idolize Ali.
Blake-
Are you still on paternity leave? How do you get the time to post all day?
I guess I’d lean towards to Indians. They are leading the central without Choo or Carmona giving them anything.
Pat M. June 9th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
BoJo……Memory tells me that The Bombers were devesated with injuries in 2008…..Lot of key players went down and down for the count
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IIRC, Posada was the worst loss…leadership was absent according to what I recall players saying.
It happens….
The Pirates have a .500 record.
That in itself may be the biggest surprise.
Andrew McCutchen may have overtaken Choo as the most underrated player in baseball.
Choo is an interesting personality. apparently he is suffering some depression from the embarrassment of his drunk driving episode. He feels he let his country down, his fans down, and his team mates down. I admire his character.l
My9 is suggesting that the rain will pass about 9:30. If so, then first pitch about 10. Tomorrow will be a rough day.
Trader,
I have a lot of breaks between victims and its one of the perks of being the boss
I suppose after that it would b e inappropriate to say “This Buds for you Mr Choo.”
I wonder if Burnett was home grown if we would not be giving him the benefit of the doubt? Are we too bias for our own? Prospect huggers? The beginning of April people hear were saying that Nova had the stuff to surpass Hughes and be a 2/3 pitcher. Now some of us including myself think his job is in jeopardy and hes a bad start away from losing his role. We thought Hughes was the next coming of Pettitte. Being a #1 started soon enough for the next decade and Joba being the next MO. Kennedy was the step child because of attitude and not enough fastball. Ajax was the next Hunter. Still havnt seen the power come. Tabata to my understanding isnt representing the Pirates in the all star game. Just saying. Are we blind for our own? If so, are other fans as well?
m-
good to see you around.
I missed the discusion about Hughes earlier.
Were people discussing the merits of his going to the pen vs. starting if healthy ?
Waybe not only had kids, but was 35 when PH was attacked and had a bad back from playing football. Could he have gotten in? Probably, but, he did do some work for Wild Bill Donovan and tried to get hooked up with John Ford’s combat camera crew. Should DiMaggio be hammered for sitting out the war as an army ball player, or ted williams for sitting it out at a marine base in Florida?
MTU….I was in favor of the Soriano signing because it was a two fold positive…Depth and it would keep Mariano fresh…..Now both of those bullet points are gone…..BoJo, Posada and Matsui basically stalled out the Yanks offense….As for the staff, I think only Mussina actually remained in good health all season…20 wins …..
GB7-
I asked this earlier in the day. George Steinbrenner wanted to sign David Ortiz after he was released by the Twins in 2003. Since the team had signed Jason Giambi, he was talked out of it. Had the Yanks signed Ortiz and not Giambi, or with Giambi, would the Yankees have won more pennants and appeared in more WS, especially the one in 2004?
blake June 9th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Trader,
I have a lot of breaks between victims and its one of the perks of being the boss
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How has business been in this down economy for your profession?
Bojo-
Blake offers his patients LOT’s of free candy.
His favorite Holiday is Halloween.
He’s no dummy.
Cash already said (fortunately) that Hughes is staying a starter – that’s one bit of good news.
I don’t know anything about John Wayne except that he was hilarious in I Love Lucy, lol. Lately I’ve been watching some Cary Grant movies and I’m totally in love, lol. Notorious is probably the most perfect movie I’ve ever seen – an incredible movie. I had already watched Bringing up Baby – the first time I’ve ever seen a movie with Katharine Hepburn ( you could bust your gut laughing, seriously)- and Philadelphia Story. Last night I watched His Girl Friday…….
Pat M.-
My POV was the same as yours.
Let’s hope Soriano fullfills his promise in the 2nd half.
YT,
We can never tell what Ortiz would have been. Maybe he wouldnt have found those great yummy shakes as a Yankee? Did Manny help him transform? We know that the whole red sox team was on b-12. If we got the thin Ortiz from Minny. I think he would have rode the bench and been cut. Who knows?
SoS June 9th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Are we blind for our own? If so, are other fans as well?
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I think so…which is why I am not against trading prospects for major league talent like Gio Gonzales. When I was suggesting it would be something I would do this spring, many disagreed based on Montero’s potential, but I have had my fan heart broken before by the likes of Rueben Rivera, Jackson Melian, and many others. I don’t elevate the players to untouchable status until they do it in the pros for 2 years.
Heck, I’d even move the Killer Bs for the right deal.
I’m glad for the rain – I hate heat and humidity and days like today are just plain ugly.
m June 9th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
I still stand by my opinion on that particular thing. But I learned one thing. There are a lot of people who idolize Ali.
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What is not to idolize. Standing up for one’s deeply held beliefs and being willing to pay the price is about as American as one can get.
Have a good rest of your evening all. I hope they get this game off and it’s a good one.
Bojo,
Its slower for sure but not terrible….a lot depends on what type of practice you have. The more cosmetically and elective based practices are taking the biggest hits.
Trader, I’d have to say yeah, they would. Keep Martinez to play first and DH Ortiz. Even at Ortiz’ 20 homer, 80 RBI twins level, combined with Martinez’ bat and glove would have topped Giambi….especially after 2003. One thing is certain, boston would still be waiting.
Heck, I’d even move the Killer Bs for the right deal.
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Bojo- So would I, so lefty Banuelos for young lefty Kershaw and Betances for King Felix.
Rotation solved!
Still no word on a first pitch, but there’s a lot of lightning in the area, and that seems to be the biggest problem right now.
Also, the Yankees just sent an email to clarify Cashman’s pregame comments about Mark Prior: Turns out Prior was tested for a sports hernia, but those tests were negative. He’s on the Triple-A DL with an abdominal strain and groin strain.
Bringing Up Baby was one of my favorites.
“What is not to idolize. Standing up for one’s deeply held beliefs and being willing to pay the price is about as American as one can get.”
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Always seemed like a “convenient” religious conversion to me.
Also, what price was he “willing to pay?” Certainly not the same price a lot of the kids who never came home did.
I always considered Ali your quintessential run of the mill draft dodger, and never had any respect for him for that very reason.
Ali doesn’t believe in violence? Then goes into a ring and beats somebody’s brains out with his fists? Of course that makes sense.
Joe, I can see why. I read that Christopher Reeve based his Clark Kent on Grant’s character in “Baby”. My next few movies to watch are Mr. Blandings Builds his Dream House, To Catch a Thief, North by Northwest and Charade. I’ve probably seen more movies in the last week or so than I’ve seen in the last 5 years
George’s comments about wanting to sign Ortiz seemed like a bit of revisionist history at the time.
I don’t buy it.
I’m not getting into a political debate but as boxers go, I kinda liked Clay, Ali not so much!!!
Betances with 3 innings, 3 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks and 4 strikeouts
Weather.com says that it’s going to rain until 11pm. They can’t possibly be thinking about starting the game that late.
I just googled some Ali stuff. He said some pretty controversial things in the name of his beliefs. Quite radical.
G-C June 9th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
“What is not to idolize. Standing up for one’s deeply held beliefs and being willing to pay the price is about as American as one can get.”
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Always seemed like a “convenient” religious conversion to me.
Also, what price was he “willing to pay?” Certainly not the same price a lot of the kids who never came home did.
I always considered Ali your quintessential run of the mill draft dodger, and never had any respect for him for that very reason.
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No, I think that Ali’s conversion likely was sincere and heartfelt. However, it’s pretty clear that he was wrong about a number of things at the time, with his position on military service being a rather prominent error in judgment. I don’t think that he was a coward, but I do think that the Nation of Islam had him pretty confused about a number of things. I would really love to know what he thinks about hat time in his life, what regrets he harbors, and what he would do differently if he had a chance…
Did I miss comments that Ortiz threw bat toward Kevin millar? I heard on radio and kids distracted me..
Vietnam was a very contentious era in this country’s history. Some consider those who went heroic, others consider those who didn’t go equally heroic. Tough times.
Ali refused to go based on his religious beliefs and opposition to the Vietnam War. He also didn’t believe that he should fight for a country that denied him equal rights.
I admire him greatly for standing up for what he believed.
Sorry, didn’t mean to start another firestorm!
Can this game start soon? Please?!
Warren through 4 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 0 walks, 3 strikeouts. 39 pitches, 28 strikes
Manny B pitching like a Blue Chip who wants a phone call…..
Just realized my error
We may see Warren in the Bronx this year. Looks like a better chance of that than Betances.
I was hoping that Brackman would be doing better at this point, and therefore be an option for the pen (as some of us hoped). GB – my understanding is that he’s still having trouble repeating his delivery, no?
Interesting note on the Charleston game. Segedin in left field instead of 3rd base and JR Murphy is playing 3rd base and has made three outstanding defensive plays.
I like when Betances has a lot more K’s than walks.
GB,
have you seen Harper play live in the Sally yet?
This injury is especially difficult, because the way this Yankee team is constructed, was to have 4 top setup men, to make up for a dodgy rotation. Other than CC, you are happy to get 6 good innings out of the rest. Even with a strong farm system, I would hesitate to make huge moves – the team has too many needs. It would not be the end of the world to be in a semi-rebuild (for the Yankees) mode. Trading for relievers is usually a poor value proposition – Tampa has shown that you can probably have a better chance trying to catch lightning in a bottle.
Here are my bullpen ideas – If/When Hughes comes back – move Nova to bullpen – even if he wasn’t fantastic last year, I think he’s has potential there because he does so much better the first time through the order – worst case he a more capable long man. If Nova is starting well, I’d think about moving Hughes back to the pen – right now that’s more of a need. I’d bring back up Noesi and let him have a hand at meaningful innings. I’m hoping one of Feliciano, Soriano or Marte can contribute this year. Consider a trade for K-rod. Since he won’t be closing he won’t vest for next year. We could get him for a low level prospect if we take the whole salary.
Joe,
Brackman has been a disappointment this year….the hope was that he might be ready to help in the 2nd half…..it’s not looking like that’s happening.
It’s hard to imagine an equivalence between Ali and somebody like James Stockdale, but opinions vary.
The teams that’s closest to still being on west coast time should prevail tonight.
Advantage: Yankees.
Cone and Costas has potential
As far as athletes go, Pat Tillman could be considered a great American, no?
Joe,
Brackman almost always has the one blow-up inning where everything goes. Never a certain inning. his last start was 3 perfect innings to start the game with only 21 pitches. Through 5 innings, 1 hit, 1 walk a 5 strikeouts. His 6th inning, 4 hits and 5 walks. It’s easier for him to go one, maybe 2 innings and out in relief. That’s when everything came together for him in ’09…in the bullpen.
He’s just raw. Not only that, but, lately the fastball is back in the low 90s.
Mr. Blandings Builds his Dream House, To Catch a Thief, North by Northwest and Charade
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Great movies all…Grant was always fun to watch.
Just wondering when this game will start…came to lohud for some info. Nothing useful though. I miss the days of Pete Abe.
“As far as athletes go, Pat Tillman could be considered a great American, no?”
yes
There are those who consider Stockdale’s involvement in the Gulf of Tonkin and his subsequent reports (which were not true) to be worthy of criticism.
“Just wondering when this game will start…came to lohud for some info. Nothing useful though. I miss the days of Pete Abe.”
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Chad has posted all the info he has (within the comments on this thread)
m June 9th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
As far as athletes go, Pat Tillman could be considered a great American, no?
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Without question
White Sox blasting Cahill….boy those teams are heading in opposite directions
Blake, saw Harper live in one game and about 8 games on MiLB-TV. He’s the goods. He’s rude to the fans from what I saw. Somebody’s gonna take him down if he doesn’t clean it up…and fast. Reminds me of a young Kirk Gibson…or for the older folks, Rich Reichardt. That kind of talent.
Good night all…can’t imagine they would start a game after 11PM…
Go Mavs!
Just wondering when this game will start…came to lohud for some info. Nothing useful though. I miss the days of Pete Abe
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You realize Pete Abe is covering this game for the Globe and has posted nothing more than Chad has?
GB,
if A ballers can’t humble him you better believe big leaguers will…..this game gets everybody at some point. Sounds like a kid that’s just never been challeged….I’m gonna try and get to see him before he gets promoted…
I wonder what excuse some of you have for “bailing” on VN, Iraq, Afghanistan and other conflicts.
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I tried to join the Navy. They didn’t want me or my THC tainted urine.
Tarp is coming off the field.
Hang on, I’ll go ask Pete if he knows what time first pitch will be.
There you go….live updating by Chad
“Hang on, I’ll go ask Pete if he knows what time first pitch will be.”
zing
Not exactly:
PeteAbe Pete Abraham
By “approaching storm” I assume the Yankees mean the weather and not the well-funded decline of Jeter and A-Rod
7 minutes ago
A number of folks thought the pen might be the place for Brackman. Though, the Yanks will likely give him every chance to develop as a starter; just my guess.
Not sure why Cashman is absolutely resolute in regards to Brackman and the bullpen.
Daniel Bard couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn as a starting prospect but was completely transformed when converted to the bullpen. Just give it a thought, Cashman.
betances through 5 innings, 3 hits, 0 runs, 1 walk 7 strikeouts
As HL Mencken once wrote, “The function of the press is comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable.” Pete seems to be a modern day practitioner of that art.
Blake if his own team mates and manager won’t, a pitcher with nothing to lose will.
Joe from Long Island June 9th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
As HL Mencken once wrote, “The function of the press is comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable.” Pete seems to be a modern day practitioner of that art.
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Love that book and movie. Nobody as good as Tracy in those movies. “Inherit the Wind”