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Postgame notes: “They just came and beat us”

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes, Podcast on Jun 10, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

It’s hard to believe that only four days ago the Yankees came home from a West Coast trip feeling good.

Three games later, the Yankees have fallen from a one-game lead in the American League East to a two-game deficit. They’ve been swept at home by the Red Sox for the second time this season, and along the way they seem to have lost their setup man for the season.

“The old saying, when you’re going good you’re not as good as you think, and when you’re going bad you’re not as bad as you think,” Mark Teixeira said. “They just came and beat us. They swung the bats really well, scored a lot of runs and pitched pretty well, pitched when they needed to. Not much you can do about it. They just beat us.”

Thing is, the Yankees had this game won. Curtis Granderson had homered off Josh Beckett (payback for Beckett hitting Derek Jeter one batter earlier) and CC Sabathia had drilled David Ortiz (payback for the Red Sox beaning six Yankees this series and Ortiz flipping his bat in the opener). The Yankees carried a 2-0 lead into the seventh, which had to be the most deflating inning of the season.

“That’s the outing,” Sabathia said. “We lose the game and get swept. I take total blame for everything that happened in the seventh inning, and I’ll be back out there in five days.”

These teams don’t play one another again until the first weekend in August.

“There’s a lot of baseball to be played until we see them again,” Joe Girardi said. “How we play the next month and a half or two months until we see them is going to have a lot to do with where we’re at. It’s not how you wanted it to end tonight, but it did. You have to move on.”

Here’s Sabathia.

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And here’s Teixeira.

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• Sabathia on the pitch that hit David Ortiz: “I threw a two-seamer and it kind of got away.”

• I wasn’t in the Red Sox clubhouse, but apparently Ortiz blamed the media for him being hit tonight and refused to answer any questions.

• Three Yankees were hit by a pitch tonight, matching the most by an American League team this season. The last time the Yankees had three players hit by a pitch in one game was June 15, 2010 against the Phillies.

• Girardi said he had no problem with Beckett not being ejected for hitting Granderson with a curveball in the fifth. Both benches had been warned, but a curveball in that situation isn’t going to get a pitcher ejected.

• Girardi and Teixeira thought the key at-bat in that pivotal seventh inning was Jed Lowrie’s triple that went right past Teixeira into the right field corner, where Nick Swisher misplayed it and fell down. That hit came immediately after Ortiz singled to lead off the inning, and that made a difference. “That’s one of the craziest plays because if it’s anyone but Ortiz (at first base), I probably am closer to the line,” Teixeira said. “But because I know Ortiz isn’t going to run, I can get off a little bit quicker and I’m one extra step in the hole, and I dive down the line and can’t get it. It goes off the tip of my glove.”

• Sabathia pointed to a different hit as the turning point of that inning: “I think Mike Cameron on that at-bat,” he said. “Just not making a pitch being able to get an out right there, I think, really hurt.” Cameron doubled in Lowrie instead of making the second out of the inning.

• In 21 innings against the Yankees this season, Beckett has allowed only two runs (the Granderson two-run homer). He’s 3-0 against the Yankees, 2-2 against the rest of baseball. “He never gives in,” Teixeira said. “We go down and look at the video a lot, look at where the pitches are. I think he might have left one or two balls over the middle of the plate all game, and one of them was Curtis’s and Curtis made him pay. After that, he didn’t give up much.”

• No one seemed to have an issue with Ortiz doing the Rangers’ claw gesture at second base after his two-run double. Even Robinson Cano, who plays second, said he didn’t see it.

• The Yankees have lost 10 of their past 14 at home.

• The Yankees are now 28-5 when leading after six innings. The seven runs in the seventh marked their highest single-inning total allowed this season. Six straight home losses is the longest single-season home losing streak against Boston since 1912.

• Sabathia matched his season-high for runs allowed and equaled his total earned runs for his past four starts combined. Last time he allowed six runs was his previous start against the Red Sox.

• Derek Jeter moved within 10 of career hit No. 3,000.

• Jeff Marquez made his second major league appearance and first with the Yankees.

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127 Responses to “Postgame notes: “They just came and beat us””

  1. timmyb72 June 10th, 2011 at 3:07 am

    The lineup is very poorly constructed right now..

    #1. Too many key hitters are past their prime, and on the downside of their careers and the drop off has been worse so far this season than anyone expected. Jeter, Posada, A-Rod who 2-3 years ago were at or above their career averages are all well below their career average this year.

    #2. The 2 corner outfielders (a position that normally is a high avg, and power position is neither). Swisher who had a promising year last year is well below what he did last season as is Gardner. You can’t win consistently when your corner OF’s have OPS’s in the .660 – .720 range. Normal OPS for an AL corner OF is at least .800 +. Would like to see Dickerson get more AB’s vs LH pitching. Swish and/or a AAA pitcher may have to be traded to get a legit RF with more consistent contact ability. Getting 2 corner OF’s in the trade market is a pipe dream but they are needed imo.

    #3. Martin is proving to be what he was in LA. He got off to a great start, MVP of the first 50 games, but has cooled down considerably hitting .245 and is still the best option at C but is now injured and that was an issue in LA also, he was injury prone. But after being an All-star level player he has really regressed.

    #4. No real leadoff man, and real #2 hitter. Boston has the best #1 and #2 hitters and #3 hitters for that matter in Ellsbury/Pedroia/Gonzalez in MLB, high OBP, great speed, good base stealing threats at the top, great contact hitters, and power, everything that the Yankees lack. Jeter is a #8 or #9 hitter right now, not a lead off hitter. His OBP is way down, no real SB threat, hits into way too many DP’s, Granderson is an ideal #6 or #7 hitter imo, he strikes out way too much for a #2 hitter, doesn’t walk enough, isn’t a great contact hitter, low OBP, Teix is an ideal #5 hitter imo. He doesn’t hit for a high enough avg to be a #3 hitter, not a good contact hitter, has great power but no speed on the bases, and strikes out too much to be a legit #3. hitter.

    #5. Gardner is not a starting corner OF imo. He should not be playing fulltime for the Yankees imo, he is a great #4 OF, defensive replacement, or pinch runner. He’s a legitimate Gold glove winner in LF but his bat does not translate to being a starting corner OF, and his baserunning instincts are horrific.

    #6. They need a younger/better DH. The DH should be Montero, or Chavez when he returns. Posada does not have the bat speed anymore and/or temperment to be a DH on a championship ball club. Way past his prime in a spot where you need consistent power and RBI potential.

    #7. They need better protection for Robbie Cano. He needs to be in the #3 hole where he has Teix and/or A-rod behind him or a better DH or Granderson plugged in behind him to give him protection. Pitchers aren’t giving him anything to swing at and pitching around him and when that happenes he gets frustrated and goes back to his bad habits of swinging at too many pitches out of the strike zone.

    #8. They need a better bench. Cervelli isn’t a suitable BU catcher at this point in his career. He is awful defensively, has no power whatsoever. Chavez was great to have on the bench, Laird or Vazquez would be nice to have on the bench also as would Montero as BUC imo.

    Those are the issues right now with the offense in a nutshell. This team won’t really improve until drastic changes are made, ie, moving Jeter down in the order, getting a legit leadoff man, getting protection for Cano, better bench players, and an everyday LF and RF instead of Gardner and or Swisher imo. Cashman has a lot of work to do, but will he and the org be able to make those changes before it’s too late?

  2. Betsy June 10th, 2011 at 3:19 am

    I had major questions about the offense prior to the season and, unfortunately, I was right. I never counted on Cano being so poor and Swisher being so terrible. The Sox are a better team, period. I’m sure the Yankees will have another few good streaks in them this year, but overall, I don’t think they are THAT good.

  3. m June 10th, 2011 at 3:23 am

    I wasn’t going to post after the loss, but this kind of crap really gets me mad.

    “You waiting for me?” he said. “There will be no questions. Just Big Papi talking, and if you don’t like it, you can get the [expletive] out of here.

    “I just want to thank you guys — not all of you, most of you — for the stat today of me not getting hit by the Yankees. I finally got hit. Hope you [expletives] are happy. I’m done.”

    “Hunter and I had that talk,” Beckett said. “He told me he wasn’t going to take the inside part of the plate away from either one of us. It is what it is. I thought they handled it well. I’m still trying to figure out if David got hit for something I did or if it was something ESPN stirred up.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=6646843

    Your good ol’ boy act is so badly played.

  4. Betsy June 10th, 2011 at 3:24 am

    Alex got off to such an incredible start – I’m not worried about him. I do think Posada is basically done and Jeter, while he’s not, is clearly on the decline. Much as I adore Jetes, 3 more years of this is going to be hard to take

    Timmy, I’ve never loved Gardner. I would not put Cano as the #3. While I think at his best he’s a better pure hitter than Tex, he’s not this year. His D has been truly disappointing also.

    It’s really too bad about Chavez – the first in an endless string of bad-luck injuries.

    I don’t think the SP is going to hold up……..

  5. Betsy June 10th, 2011 at 3:24 am

    Also, I thought Beckett would have a good year, but I never thought he’d be this good – very annoying

  6. waka flocka June 10th, 2011 at 3:25 am

    Red Sox series always bring out the bridge jumpers. Did you guys really expect to win a series in which Garcia and Burnett started the first two games? The Yankees are two games out, have prospects and payroll to play with. The culture of our fan base these days is depressing.

  7. m June 10th, 2011 at 3:29 am

    Ortiz’s ego is astronomically big. He really thinks he’s the center of his own universe.

    And dumb as a bag of rocks. Seriously, you think you got hit because CC chose today to pick up a newspaper today?

  8. Betsy June 10th, 2011 at 3:32 am

    CC had to do a better job tonight – you can’t blow that lead.

  9. m June 10th, 2011 at 3:33 am

    This team is not bad. It’s simply playing bad. And bad at home.

    Batting averages are too low across the board. Some rough starts against a good hitting Boston team. But there are some positives.

    Once the black cloud of doom lifts, I think they’ll be fine.

  10. Betsy June 10th, 2011 at 3:37 am

    M, they aren’t a bad team – I think they are a good team, but limited. I think the Sox are better. Fortunately, the baseball season is incredibly long and the Yankees have a chance to turn things around. We’ll see.

  11. Pat M. June 10th, 2011 at 3:41 am

    1912 ??? Did I read that historical fact correctly…..How the Bombers do in the next home games against The Tribe and then The Texes Rangers could and very well may indicate just what type of club the Pinstripers actually have in that locker room…..One thing is for certain they must improve their game at 161st & Jerome Ave’s, or things could continue to slip away…..Expect the spike in play after this 99 year Boston achievement

  12. m June 10th, 2011 at 3:41 am

    Betsy,

    They’re so evenly matched, even though the head-to-head results don’t reflect it.

    Offensively they’re up, and we’re down. At an earlier point in the season, we had the better offense.

    I still think our pitching is good. But defensively we had a poor series here. 2009, I believe, was the year we were polished defensively. I’d like to get that back. I really think it’s important.

    Giving up the 2 run lead or even 3 or 4 runs was not the problem. Difficult to ask any starter to work with 2 runs. The 7-spot was the problem.

  13. UnKnown June 10th, 2011 at 3:44 am

    m June 10th, 2011 at 3:29 am
    Ortiz’s ego is astronomically big. He really thinks he’s the center of his own universe.

    And dumb as a bag of rocks. Seriously, you think you got hit because CC chose today to pick up a newspaper today?

    ——

    Exactly what a complete piece of work. Ortiz doesn’t spend much time on planet Earth I don’t think.

  14. m June 10th, 2011 at 3:44 am

    And even if Boston is the better team, so what? As long as we make the post-season we have a chance.

    Is it my understanding that we’ve only played 60 games? Like you said, plenty of time.

  15. Betsy June 10th, 2011 at 3:45 am

    M, I’ve always thought the Sox offense was better -and thought so going into the season. Jeter and Posada are aging, Swisher has been bad, Cano has been disappointing…….obviously Gardner as well, but then I’ve never been a fan. They will always score a lot of runs because they can beat up at times on bad pitching, but I like the Sox offense better – and clearly their first 3 starters are outstanding. I am not the type to spend any time worrying about the Red Sox; once we are not playing them, I never think of them at all. Now, they will be completely out of my mind and what will occupy my mind is thinking how this team can get better. They’ve also had a string of terrible luck with injuries.

  16. Betsy June 10th, 2011 at 3:47 am

    M, sure – they just have to make the playoffs. I’m doubtful of them doing much if they do make it, but of course, plenty of things can change between now and then.

    One thing – CC is the only one on this team who will stand up for his teammates.

  17. Betsy June 10th, 2011 at 3:47 am

    Anyway, I’ve no idea why I am up at this time, so off to bed.

    Have a good night!

  18. waka flocka June 10th, 2011 at 3:50 am

    How are the Red Sox better? Pedroia, Drew, and Crawford are not having good seasons at the plate. The media can keep talking about how Crawford has ‘adjusted’ and all of this crap but he still has an OPS under .700. Pedroia has been terrible against every team not named the New York Yankees. JD Drew is pretty much in a platoon role.

    That vaunted bullpen? Dan Wheeler sucks, Bobby Jenks is hurt again, and Matt Albers is their version of Luis Ayala.

    Their awesome rotation? Lester will probably come around sooner or later. I will admit that. That gives them Beckett and Lester. Outside of that? Matsuzaka is done. Tim Wakefield consistently gets hurt. Buchholz is reminding me a lot of Hughes last year: a Jekyll and Hyde act.

    So what makes this team far and above better than the Yankees?

  19. Pat M. June 10th, 2011 at 3:51 am

    Betsy….Up so late with the rift raft ????? As for Derek, I see him being slipped down in the order next season for certain, and that’s if he even decides to come back in 2012…..They’ll be fine and they’ll be playing in October….The real questions are twofold….First can they feel and play better at The Stadium and if they don’t can they get through the ALDS ???? I believe that The HY Yankees come October will be the club to beat ……Remember this statement when the colored leaves begin to fall…….Bullpen modification needs to take place

  20. m June 10th, 2011 at 3:55 am

    I think the Yankees are simply underperforming.

    And obviously Jorge is not what he used to be. Jeter is not a huge problem. Gardner is struggling, but he can bounce back. Swisher has always run hot and cold.

    Our big bats are Tex, Alex, Cano, and Granderson.

    The Sox have Gonzalez, Fatease, and Ellsbury.

    Our starting catcher is currently injured.

  21. Jerkface June 10th, 2011 at 4:01 am

    K-rod, though I loathe him, and Beltran or Wood and Fukudome would be 2 ‘packages’ I’d look after.

  22. waka flocka June 10th, 2011 at 4:03 am

    Here is a major problem for the Yankees:

    They have an insane amount of loyalty to two players who are killing this team: Derek Jeter and Jorge Posada. They’re the two worst hitters on this team. Posada gets killed enough so I will leave him alone. However, someone just said Jeter isn’t a huge problem. REALLY? Everyone is talking about how bad Swisher is? Jeter is SIGNIFICANTLY worse. He has 11 extra base hits all year (good for a .328[!!] slugging percentage) and an OBP of .326. Oh yeah, hes hitting lead off.

    The Yankees screwed themselves by giving into Jeter’s diva act this off season. Now they’re stuck with him for at least two (probably three) more years. Its only going to get worse once his defense deteriorates even more.

  23. beedogs June 10th, 2011 at 4:10 am

    more like NOstseason. this team will be watching the playoffs on TV in October.

  24. m June 10th, 2011 at 4:34 am

    It was me who said he’s not a huge problem.

    Maybe I should have said he’s not the offensive black hole he was to start the season.

    He’s looked better of late, and that’s a positive.

    Posada has looked better, too. Hopefully, his son will recover well, and he can concentrate on baseball.

  25. m June 10th, 2011 at 4:36 am

    Talking about divas. K-rod? No, thanks. Can’t see him taking a back seat to anyone, at least not willingly. I’d rather have Wood.

    Maybe we can buy low on Choo? ;)

  26. Jerkface June 10th, 2011 at 5:49 am

    Maybe we can buy low on Choo?

    That’d be good too, he actually wouldn’t be a bad pickup even now because he is hitting vs RHP, so you could theoretically platoon him with Swisher. He plays very good defense.

  27. rr212 June 10th, 2011 at 6:30 am

    Better team won. Nothing more, nothing less. Our big hitters and big pitchers haven’t showed up against Boston this year.

  28. Mike Ri June 10th, 2011 at 6:37 am

    Straight up embarrassing,,,.. How do you let them come into our house and basically beat us up and laugh about it ….

  29. Purenyyankee June 10th, 2011 at 7:08 am

    I am embarassed to say I’m a fan of this miserable pathetic gutless team.

  30. NYY fan in NH June 10th, 2011 at 7:15 am

    Can’t believe I woke up to find that CC gave up 7 runs in the 7th after a 2-0 lead. I am embarrassed right now to actually walk around with my NY hat. Consecutive sweeps in NY. Our ace fell flat on his face and bats stood silent again.

  31. Obie1 June 10th, 2011 at 7:19 am

    Great, we got payback by hitting a guy in the thigh, they come into our house and get the sweep and likely leave us in the rearview mirror. Is anyone afraid of the Yankees anymore?

  32. ConcernedCitizen June 10th, 2011 at 7:20 am

    We had troubles against Boston early in 2009, too. Not comparing this season to 2009, just stating a fact.

  33. Gary June 10th, 2011 at 7:26 am

    Morning, Sox know they are the better team. The winter was spent talking here about how they weren’t a very good team, their pitching was a mess, the off season picks didn’t help them much, Ortiz was over the hill, Becket was done ect. In the meantime it’s our team that is a mess, injuries, the excuse of the day, poor defense, denial, no RBI production, bad base running ect. We are giving away a run or more a game just due to bad fundementals. Again yesterday Granderson goes yard in the first for two runs and then it’s nothing until a cheap run in the ninth. Swisher kicks another one and goes 0 for again. Back to back sweeps at home by the Sox thats a 6 game swing in the standings, glad we don’t play them again until August. Pretty sad, Yanks are better than they are showing.

  34. blake June 10th, 2011 at 7:35 am

    I just can’t put this one on CC…..he wasn’t cruising the whole game and dominant and then the 7th happened and a combination of fatigue and a bunch of BS well placed seeing eye singles happened. Cameron hit his ball hard and the double down the like that Tex missed by an inch was hit hard…..the rest were dribblers through the infield.

    Its a game if inches and if Tex catches that ball them Ortiz is doubled off, Swisher doesn’t have a chance to botch the play…..and there are 2 outs with nobody on.

    The thing is the offense. He reality is that there are two guys that should be in the lineup that aren’t…..jesus Montero and Matt Holliday. The first one is easily fixable by getting Cervelli the heck on this team…..but its becoming more and more evident that it was a mistake to pass oj Holliday when they could have had him for just cash…..

    They need Arod to find his form and they need Cano to be a lot better than he has been…..I still think the offense can and will be good enough…..but not with their current rotation and pen.

    Some changes need to be made and the first one is to get Montero on this team and to get Cervelli off it…..as CB said last night….they have 3 guys right now with plus bat speed ….they have a 4th that can be added right now.

    Still only a game back in the LC…..still early June……but they need to play better baseball for the rest of this homestand.

  35. Gary June 10th, 2011 at 7:37 am

    NYY fan in NH June 10th, 2011 at 7:15 am
    Can’t believe I woke up to find that CC gave up 7 runs in the 7th after a 2-0 lead. I am embarrassed right now to actually walk around with my NY hat. Consecutive sweeps in NY. Our ace fell flat on his face and bats stood silent again.

    ________________________________________________________________________

    Our manager will be estatic that our DH is getting his BA close to .200 after 60 games of the season. It might even reach the level of our starting RF’er soon.

  36. Gary June 10th, 2011 at 7:42 am

    Blake just don’t see it happening, they trot out the same guys every game and the comment is always after a game you have to move on to the next game. Tough to stay positive about a team that just seems frozen.

    Well the sox are gone the Yanks need to play good baseball and keep it close, sox are hot now and Yanks going into a rut could put us back quickly.

    Don’t know what they do about the bullpen, Joba to Soriano to Mo is now just Mo. Robertson didn ‘t do well last night.

  37. MTU June 10th, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Blake-

    Nothing we can do about MH but I’d like see what Montero could do to help.

    Can’t imagine he couldn’t at least match Cervelli’s performance.

    Changes need to be made and soon.

  38. Mike Ri June 10th, 2011 at 7:51 am

    Blake-

    I agreee with Montero . . .the time is NOW ! Cervelli is a waste

  39. blake June 10th, 2011 at 7:53 am

    Gary,

    The bullpen is an issue…and is compounded by the fact that the rotation is thin. They just can’t afford many 5 or 6 inning starts from guys right now….I know the rotation has more resembled a strength than a weakness this year but the reality is that its probably just not as good as it’s performed. They have 3 guys in the rotation that would make good 5th starters…..but you can only have 1 5th starter.

    I don’t see Cashman sitting by idle….he will try to make moves….I just don’t know what’s out there to be had.

    They need a starting pitcher (preferably a lefty), they need a left hand reliever, they need to get Montero up, and they need an outfield bat that can hit. Doubt they can do all that at the dealine but we’ll see.

  40. MTU June 10th, 2011 at 7:56 am

    Blake-

    Cervelli to SF for Lopez or Affeldt ?

    Worth it ?

  41. Yankee Trader June 10th, 2011 at 7:57 am

    Found this trying to look up the 10 best teams with RISP.

    The secret to the Indians’ success: Coming up with a hit with runners in scoring position. Cleveland bats .281 with RISP compared to just .251 with bases empty. They’re also 6-2 since May 4th in 1 run games.

    Yankees last night 0-7 with RISP. I would suspect, if I could find it, that the Yankees are in the bottom half with RISP.

    Timmy in the 1st post of this thread brings up some very valid points.

    Currently as constructed this is a very flawed offensive team. Some very difficult decisions are needed to get this team into the playoffs come October. Luckilly we don’t play the Red Sox again until August!

  42. MTU June 10th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    YT-

    What changes would you make ?

  43. blake June 10th, 2011 at 7:58 am

    yea I think Montero will be up soon….maybe after he plays a couple of games and they are sure his eye is ok. I mean there just isn’t much reason anymore to not see what he can do.

  44. NYY fan in NH June 10th, 2011 at 7:59 am

    When your highest batting average is .276 with Cano approaching .270 then you know you have problems. You guys all say that we’ll be there in October, but that’s not gonna happen with this current team playing this way. Overpaid, underachieving players have to step up and take a back seat to their pride.

  45. Yankee Trader June 10th, 2011 at 7:59 am

    Gary-

    How many times can you expect Robertson to pull a rabbit out of his hat!! :)

  46. blake June 10th, 2011 at 8:00 am

    MTU,

    yes, I hate to be like this…..but just anything that will get him off the team and get Montero on is fine…..getting a reliever in exchange is even better. Listen I’m sure Cervy is a nice guy and I do like him….he’s a great story but he’s not good enough, he’s a distraction that can’t play and has no upside.

  47. MTU June 10th, 2011 at 8:01 am

    Blake-

    IYO would it be fair to say that Cano’s plate discipline has regressed
    this season ?

    He’s looking like he needs another session with Long.

    Last year he took over 40 BB’s.

    He’s a great hitter who can be absolutely elite if he’s just a tad more selective at the plate.

    Hope he can get back to that.

  48. Abe Peteraham June 10th, 2011 at 8:01 am

    Long season left. But w/o a shakeup the team doesn’t seem very motivated . Even hitting Ortiz in the thigh as Ob said, was lame. Let’s get some fire Yankees! I’m thinking w the injuries some big changes are coming,,, I couldn’t even imagine how 1B would look if Tex was seriously hurt.

  49. Abe Peteraham June 10th, 2011 at 8:04 am

    If Montero comes up and stinks we just lost a big trade chip. Maybe that’s the reason he’s not coming up.

  50. blake June 10th, 2011 at 8:08 am

    “If Montero comes up and stinks we just lost a big trade chip. Maybe that’s the reason he’s not coming up.”

    Abe, I fear that may be how they are playing this and I really hope it isn’t because it’s unlikely there will be anything available worth dealing him for anyway.

    MTU,

    yea it really has….I don’t know what is up with him….if it’s just a long slump or what but he’s swung at everything nearly all year. Maybe he should get his eyes checked……he is much much better than he’s playing and they need him to be elite….they need him to be the player he was last year badly.

  51. MTU June 10th, 2011 at 8:09 am

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if most teams do not see Montero as a future Catcher.

    If that’s true his trade value is already diminished because that would mean he is viewed as a 1st Base/DH type.

    Scouts probably watch him all the time.

  52. GreenBeret7 June 10th, 2011 at 8:10 am

    For all of you terribly embarrassed former Yankee fans, I wouldn’t show my face in public. That’ll show ‘em. I suggest walking around with a bag over your heads. May I suggest using clear plastic bags? Be sure to tie them tightly now. That way, you can see where you’re falling. Don’t want you to fall on and hurt innocent people.

  53. GreenBeret7 June 10th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Cano has never had a strike zone. It’s whatever he can reach. He didn’t have that much of one last year either. I don’t want to hear about his 57 walks because 13 were intentional. He’ll once again get to around 30 non-intentional walks.

  54. Betsy June 10th, 2011 at 8:16 am

    Blake, there is no point in regretting not having Matt Hollilday – and it’s not like he’s the cure all either. If certain players were doing their job, he wouldn’t be a thought in our minds (well, he hasn’t been in mine).

    Alex hasn’t been the same since the injury, Swisher has been bad, Cano has been mediocre, Jeter -mediocre, Posada – bad. Even when I assumed that Cano and Swisher would be fine, I believed their lineup would have problems. Montero is not going to solve that – he’s not going to save this lineup; he’s not even having that good of a year in AAA.

  55. MTU June 10th, 2011 at 8:17 am

    I suppose if you are an extreme optimist you could say that the Yankees are actually playing the Sux better than last season.

    Last year we started off 0-8 against them. Wound up 8-8.

    So we only have to win the next 7.

    Changes are coming. We all know that. Sooner would be better than later though.

  56. Betsy June 10th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Still, to be embarrassed to be a Yankee fan? It’s just sports – that’s going over the top (and if you’re embarrassed, think about all the other fans who root for teams with worse records…..and that would be most fans since most teams have worse records than the Yankees)

  57. GreenBeret7 June 10th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Abe Peteraham June 10th, 2011 at 8:04 am
    If Montero comes up and stinks we just lost a big trade chip. Maybe that’s the reason he’s not coming up.

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    Congratulations. The most idiotic statement of the morning, so far. Don’t worry though. Somebody will top it and you can work on something else.

    Exactly how is keeping Montero in the minors raising his trade vaue?

    To begin with, they have no reason to trade him. There’s nothing of value on the non-existant trade market worth Montero…in a package deal or straight up.

  58. Yankee Trader June 10th, 2011 at 8:18 am

    MTU-

    Changes-
    1. Bullpen-probably still too early to trade for good help. Add Whelan and Kontos to the 40 man drop Sanit and Texeira. Bullpen Mo, Robertson, Whelan, Nova[unless he pitches a gem tonight], Logan or Flores[ Righty Whelan has great stats against lefties], Kontos, Ayala.

    2. Starters- CC, Colon, Noesi/Nova, AJ, Garcia. Don’t expect Hughes back as a starter until he’s stretched out-ASB? [earlier perhaps if they put him in the bullpen. Phelps, Mitchell, Warren are deserving if Garcia starts to falter.

    3. Lineup- bring up Montero, send down Cervelli.
    Find a right handed corner outfielder to replace Andruw Jones and be able to play more time in OF to have Gardner and/or Swisher sit. Make some tough decisions and find a leadoff hitter, bench Posada. We need a player who can hit with RISP.

  59. Ghostwriter June 10th, 2011 at 8:19 am

    This team is incredibly frustrating to watch, with its maddening inconsistency. This team is not as good as it appears to be when it wins, and it is not as bad as it looks when it loses. It is a good team, and it can compete this year. There is no need to jump off any bridges. However, the team is under-performing this year, particularly on offense. Considering the fairly systematic nature of the under-performance, it’s hard to place the blame on any one player or set of players. Jeter, Posada, and Swisher aren’t to blame for the team’s struggles this year. The responsibility has to fall squarely on the Girardi and his coaching staff.

    Frankly, I would not have renewed Girardi’s contract in the offseason, primarily because I don’t like the passive way in which he manages the offense. His approach seem to be to wait, and hope his struggling players eventually start matching their historical norms. I watched it all last year, and now, I’m watching it again this year. It would be nice to see him do something (really, anything at this point) proactive to help guys out of slumps. Sadly, I’m not expecting Girardi to change his approach. So, I expect the up-and-down play to continue.

  60. Betsy June 10th, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Cashman’s phone wasn’t ringing off the hook some weeks ago – remember he said that? Now either that means it was too early in the season or that no one was interested in dealing. I don’t believe our farm system is having a great season – or, not the season it was last year. Maybe there aren’t a whole lot of pieces teams will want? They’re going to deman a top price even for mediocre playes – Banuelso, Montero, Betances.

  61. Yankee Trader June 10th, 2011 at 8:23 am

    MTU and GB-

    Now that GB is online, he would have a much better idea of what minor leagues can/should be brought up for some immediate help, until trades become more feasible and/or players get healthy.

  62. Yankee Trader June 10th, 2011 at 8:24 am

    “leaguers”

  63. Howard June 10th, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Good thing he plunked Ortiz, huh? That showed them. CC has to beat Boston.
    Hard hits or “seeing eye singles”. A hit is a hit (ask Jeter). CC has to shut that inning down.
    Can’t put it on CC is an idiotic statement.
    He gave up 7 runs. That’s a horrible performance.

  64. Ghostwriter June 10th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    blake June 10th, 2011 at 8:00 am

    MTU,

    yes, I hate to be like this…..but just anything that will get him off the team and get Montero on is fine…..getting a reliever in exchange is even better. Listen I’m sure Cervy is a nice guy and I do like him….he’s a great story but he’s not good enough, he’s a distraction that can’t play and has no upside.
    =============================

    Cervelli isn’t the problem; the backup catcher is not the reason that the temmis hitting .245 with runners in scoring postion. Cervelli is a symptom of the problem. When Cervy first came up, he was a pretty good catcher, but since his time in the Majors, he has regressed. Simple question: Why does Cervelli continue to chuck the ball into centerfield? Simpler answer: Because nobody has told him not to chuck the ball into center field. Nobody is coaching the kid, and now Yankee fans want to throw him overboard to bring up the new shiny toy. I wonder how they’ll react when Montero goes 3 for 20…

  65. Howard June 10th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    They?re going to deman a top price even for mediocre playes ? Banuelso, Montero, Betances.

    As they should. This team is lathargic and desperate, and every GM knows it. They’re going to hold them up, or NY will solve this problem from within. All the hype has to show itself at some point. If the kids are so good, and so untouchable, bring them up. Lets see what they can do.

  66. MTU June 10th, 2011 at 8:26 am

    YT-

    Appreciate you putting that out there.

    It’s hard to be constructive when things are going well.

    It shouldn’t be too difficult to reconfugure the pen IMO. they have tons of arms to try many of them talented.

    I think Hughes will make a big difference in the 2nd half. If they re-insert him into the rotation Nova might make an excellent long man.

    I hope the Yankees can find some left-handed pitching by the TD.

    Montero may not help that much but I can’t see how he would hurt.

    A bat should be available on the trade market.

    Other than that some guys just have to start playing to the backs of their baseball cards.

  67. GreenBeret7 June 10th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Scranton, right now has Golson (back from the DL and hitting), Parraz, Austin Krum and Daniel Brewer. Golson and Dickerson offer the same tools. Brewer still needs some AAA time. Parraz is a good fielder, not a ton of power, but, he runs well and a pretty decent hitter. Vazquez has no place to play. He’s the right handed version of Miranda, except that Miranda didn’t strike out as much. I wouldn’t want Vazquez playing corner infield any time soon. Krum is no where near ready.

    Trader laid out the pitching situation. Do not even think about Betances and Banuelos. Brackman isn’t throwing strikes and right now is struggling to get over 93 MPH. The sooner he’s converted to the pen, the better off he is. He can flourish there.

  68. MTU June 10th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    edit: aren’t. Duh. sorry.

  69. Betsy June 10th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Howard, I hardly agree. You want to rush kids that are not ready just so you can try to put a band-aid on the season? Sure, teams can ask for whatever they want, but it’s Cashman’s job to say no. There is no one out there who is worth trading either of those 3 players for.

  70. Erin June 10th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    I wasn?t in the Red Sox clubhouse, but apparently Ortiz blamed the media for him being hit tonight and refused to answer any questions.

    **********************************

    :roll:

    Ortiz is such an idiot.

    I was exhausted last night, so I only made it through the third inning. This probably was not such a bad thing. LOL I was honestly shocked when I saw the final score this AM. The offense and bullpen both went through slumps, now I guess it’s the starting pitching’s turn. :?

  71. blake June 10th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Betsy,

    no…it was 2 years ago but I was just saying. He was what they needed then and he’s what they need now….a prime age bat with high BA, high OBP, and power.

    Ghostwriter,

    Of course he’s not the main problem….but he isn’t helping anything and there is a CHANCE that Montero’s bat could make an impact. I vote for pursuing that chance.

  72. GreenBeret7 June 10th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    One other thing in Scranton is Molina. He’s a decent defensive catcher, Hitting will always be an issue, though he has been hitting decently over the last week to 10 days with semi-regular work.

  73. Yankee Trader June 10th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    MTU-

    Righty Whelan holds lefties to a .170 BA in 13 2/3rds innings with 20 punchouts and only 2 walks. I suppose they’ll bring up lefty Randy Flores and maybe send down Logan who I believe has 1 option left. However it would be nice to get a lefty who can also pitch well to righties.

  74. Howard June 10th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Howard, I hardly agree. You want to rush kids that are not ready just so you can try to put a band-aid on the season?

    no no no. I wasn’t talking about all of them. Just Montero. He cannot be any worse than Cervelli defensively. I understand they don’t want to expose his defense right now, but his bat needs to be up.

    Sorry for the Confusion. I’m past the point of thinking the AAA/AA guys are going to change much this year. I’m waiting for the shoe to drop on Colon and officially label this year as the bridge year to many good years to come with the prospects.

  75. 108 stitches June 10th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    http://houston.astros.mlb.com/....._id=452254

  76. Betsy June 10th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    Howard, ok, got it…….. I just don’t see Montero as some kind of savior like everyone else does, nor do I assume he’d kill it if and when he got here.

  77. blake June 10th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    I don’t think there will be anything available this summer that’ll be worth trading the Yanks best prospects for….you never know though and it wouldn’t stop me from asking.

    If they could make a fair deal for Liriano, acquire a left handed reliever, check into Beltran and other outfielders, get Hughes and Soriano back healthy, and promote Montero…..then this team could have a totally different complection in the 2nd half.

  78. BD (Boston Dave) June 10th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    I’m tired of hearing the “waaa. If the Sox hadn’t started 2-10, they’d be 6 games up right now.”

    It’s b.s.

    The Yankees had a stretch where they lost what, 7 straight, and were something like 3-10.

    Shouldn’t you be saying the Yanks would be 3 games up if they just hadnt had that losing streak?

    162 games. Picking and choosing which subset of the 162 you think are more important is a useless
    exercise. They play them all and they all count equally.

  79. blake June 10th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    I don’t think anyone looks at Montero as being a savior….he’s probably going to struggle some and he may not help at all…..but I think there is a chance he could make a difference and I think that’s worth finding out if he can.

  80. Abe Peteraham June 10th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    Thanks for pulling punches GB, I’ll take the idiot award. There is no trade market, but u can’t convince me the talk is montero can be a great bat, and if he comes up and can’t hit his way out of a sack that’s gonna help his value come next year or whenever??

  81. MTU June 10th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Blake-

    “If they could make a fair deal for Liriano, acquire a left handed reliever, check into Beltran and other outfielders, get Hughes and Soriano back healthy, and promote Montero…..then this team could have a totally different complection in the 2nd half.”

    I like all this.

  82. Howard June 10th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    I?m tired of hearing the ?waaa. If the Sox hadn?t started 2-10, they?d be 6 games up right now.?

    It?s b.s.

    The Yankees had a stretch where they lost what, 7 straight, and were something like 3-10.

    Both very valid arguments, so I’m not sure what you’re complaint is. Both have had periods where they played very badly and very well. They came in, and beat the tots off of us this time. We may get them next time.

  83. Yankee Trader June 10th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Stitches-

    Hunter Pence for left field to replace Gardner, or RF? A few years ago he had 16 outfield assists as a RF. He does strike out-headed for > 100 strikeouts this year.

  84. BD (Boston Dave) June 10th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    Isn’t it funny that the Yanks NEED Montero anytime they lose a couple games?

    They didn’t NEED him 4 days ago.

    I realize most people are (correctly) suggesting that he could simply improve the team, but considering good teams still lose 40-45% of their games, perhaps hitting the panic button should be reserved for when it’s truly applicable (i.e. not in June when the Yanks are very much a favorite to make the playoffs)

  85. Ghostwriter June 10th, 2011 at 8:43 am

    There is no real chance that Montero is going to help this team; he has his hands full in Triple-A. The reason Montero is in Triple-A is because he was unable to earn a job in ST, and he hasn’t been doing great since he was sent down. Bringing Montero up now is only going to retard his development, and likely exacerbate the situation.

    The coaching is the main problem with this club. It’s time for Hank to reach into the old man’s playbook, and fire the hitting coach. It’ll shake things up a bit, and a more disciplined approach at the plate couldn’t hurt the club.

  86. Erin June 10th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    m June 10th, 2011 at 3:33 am
    This team is not bad. It?s simply playing bad. And bad at home.

    Batting averages are too low across the board. Some rough starts against a good hitting Boston team. But there are some positives.

    Once the black cloud of doom lifts, I think they?ll be fine.

    **********************************
    agreed

  87. Jerkface June 10th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Montero doesn’t have to be a savior, but the longer you wait to promote him the longer it is until he is settled in at the major league level. And with his hitting tools he can provide a near immediate boost ala Shelley Duncan/Shane Spencer.

  88. BD (Boston Dave) June 10th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Howard,

    My complaint is that I’m tired of reading posts (not pointing at anyone in particular but I’ve seen it multiple times over the last few days) that the Red Sox would/could/should be 6 games up.

    No, they shouldn’t.

    That’s all.

  89. Howard June 10th, 2011 at 8:45 am

    ?If they could make a fair deal for Liriano,

    If they could, yeah, but they can’t. The twins aren’t gonna give him away for pieces not mentioned above. Period. Anything beyond that is pipedream.

  90. Jerkface June 10th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    There is no real chance that Montero is going to help this team; he has his hands full in Triple-A. The reason Montero is in Triple-A is because he was unable to earn a job in ST, and he hasn’t been doing great since he was sent down. Bringing Montero up now is only going to retard his development, and likely exacerbate the situation.

    I disagree, Montero handled AAA last year in the 2nd half fine. Prospects need to be pushed and I don’t think he is learning anything other than continuing to improve his catching in AAA. There is no set developmental path for prospects. Guys take too long to come up, and fail. Guys come up quick and succeed. Montero has tools, readily identified by every scout ever that has seen him. They didn’t disappear overnight, and its possible he just needs to be pushed to get back in gear. I will bank on Montero’s career numbers and hitting over 150 PA in AAA after a mental let down of gustavo molina making the team over montero. (and lost in the ‘Montero failed!’ is that he hit .300 in his final 10 spring training games, so its not like he ended on a sour note… then of course hit .400 until he got balled by a pitch).

  91. Ghostwriter June 10th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Jerkface June 10th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Montero doesn’t have to be a savior, but the longer you wait to promote him the longer it is until he is settled in at the major league level. And with his hitting tools he can provide a near immediate boost ala Shelley Duncan/Shane Spencer.
    =================

    Shane Spencer could hit minor league pitching. Montero seems to struggle with it.

  92. Yankee Trader June 10th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Blake-

    I think Marte has a better chance than Soriano of appearing in a game this year for the Yankees, and I wouldn’t bet money on either.

    Maybe Feliciano, Marte, Soriano, Joba, should be asking for stem cell injections from Dr. Joseph Purita who magically resurrected Colon’s career???

  93. MTU June 10th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Ghost-

    The LAST thing in the world I want to see the Yankees do is to fire Kevin Long.

    IMO you’re pointing the finger in the wrong direction there.

    He seems to be very well respected by the team and IMO has helped many players.

    If they regress is that on him ? Or perhaps you do not believe he was helpful in the first place ?

    Either way I totally disagree with moving him out. We could use more coaches like him.

  94. GreenBeret7 June 10th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    Montero got a minimum shot in ST, unless you call 40 at bats a shot. he certainly throws better than Cervelli and is no worse at digging balls out of the dirt. He began playing with an eye infection about 2 weeks ago. As far as power goes, he’s smart enough to know that down and away pitches are not meant to be hit for home runs, so he’s taking the singles and doubles and still hitting .300.

  95. blake June 10th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    “There is no real chance that Montero is going to help this team”

    there is no way to know that….the guy has always been able to hit and a slow start at SWB doesn’t change that….maybe the call up excites him and it shows on the field….wouldn’t be the first time a prospect was brought up and performed better than they were in the minors.

    “If they could, yeah, but they can’t. The twins aren’t gonna give him away for pieces not mentioned above.”

    nobody is giving up prime talent for a pitcher that is an injury risk, has an attitude problem, is close to free agengy, and has underperformed…..if the Twins think someone is then they are the ones with the pipedream….he’s a perfect buy low candidate if the Twins will deal fairly….now we don’t know if they will or not but you have to ask.

  96. Ghostwriter June 10th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Jerkface June 10th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    There is no real chance that Montero is going to help this team; he has his hands full in Triple-A. The reason Montero is in Triple-A is because he was unable to earn a job in ST, and he hasn’t been doing great since he was sent down. Bringing Montero up now is only going to retard his development, and likely exacerbate the situation.

    I disagree, Montero handled AAA last year in the 2nd half fine. Prospects need to be pushed and I don’t think he is learning anything other than continuing to improve his catching in AAA. There is no set developmental path for prospects. Guys take too long to come up, and fail. Guys come up quick and succeed. Montero has tools, readily identified by every scout ever that has seen him. They didn’t disappear overnight, and its possible he just needs to be pushed to get back in gear. I will bank on Montero’s career numbers and hitting over 150 PA in AAA after a mental let down of gustavo molina making the team over montero. (and lost in the ‘Montero failed!’ is that he hit .300 in his final 10 spring training games, so its not like he ended on a sour note… then of course hit .400 until he got balled by a pitch).

    ======================

    Where are you going to play him? Catcher? All accounts are that Cervy is still a better backstop than Montero. DH? Perhaps. However, Posada is showing signs of coming out of his stupor. I would give Posada few more weeks, if he continues to show progress. so, what’s left is the bench, which seems like a waste…

  97. Yankee Trader June 10th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    GB-

    Would you bring up Golson, Dump Andruw the “check collector,” and play Golson in LF and RF to spell Gardner/Swisher?

  98. Mike Ri June 10th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Posada is showing signs of coming out of his stupor—

    —-

    really ????

  99. blake June 10th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Trader,

    hope you’re wrong….Soriano’s contract is awful but getting him back right would be a big lift.

    I agree with Jerkface….I think Montero is stagnant at AAA… no way to know for sure but I think calling him up may actually help him perform…..It’s happened before.

  100. Howard June 10th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    if the Twins think someone is then they are the ones with the pipedream?.he?s a perfect buy low candidate if the Twins will deal fairly?.now we don?t know if they will or not but you have to ask.

    That that point, we agree. Just not to the Yankees is all I’m saying. NOBODY is going to cut the Yankees a break. The desperation reeks.

  101. blake June 10th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Cervy isn’t a better catcher than anybody….he can’t throw and he annoys the heck out of his pitchers.

  102. randy l. June 10th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    if the yankees want to stop this crap of beckett hitting three yankee hitters for the second time in two years, someone simply has to go directly after beckett. or lester. or anyone else who wants to play the intimidation game.

    jeter should have went right after beckett when beckett drilled him.

    arod should have gone after beckett when he drilled him.

    there’s a fine line between taking the high road and being a coward.

    the yankees play the red sox like cowards and wonder why a mediocre team like the red sox eat their lunch almost everyday.

    the yankees really don’t get it that the red sox are hitting them on purpose and do it solely to intimidate.

    the red sox know they are the intimidator and play with confidence because of it.

    baseball is a controlled game right on the edge of violence.

    it doesn’t take much to cross the line and make it a dangerous game.

    to the average fan when a team crosses the line the game doesn’t look much different when the attacked team lays down and takes it. it’s hard to notice the defensive at bats and the tentativeness of a team that has accepted another team bullying them, but it’s there from the moment that a team lays down to another team’s crossing the line with physical intimidation.

    the red sox have crossed that line and the yankees are taking it.

    until the yankees fight back directly the red sox will own them . baseball is a game of controlled aggression and the red sox are doing the controlling.

    even sabathia’s belated hitting of ortiz was so by the book in the perfect place to do no damage to ortiz that it had zero effect. the red sox bullpen catcher probably was hurt by more errant bullpen pitches than ortiz was by that pitch by sabathia.

    that was a really pathetic pay back pitch that had zero effect.

    when a whole team decides not to take it anymore there are opportunities all over the field to get even though i prefer going directly after guys like beckett on the spot.

    for example,one thing the yankees could have done if they had decided to force the red sox to play the game the right way would have been taking out any red sox defensive player whenever they had the chance. gardner could have annihilated adrian gonzalez on the play at first when gonzalez crossed into gardners path in the second game. he could have put a serious hurt on gonzalez had he wanted too. ( and notice that gonzalez went into garnder’s path with no fear because he knew no yankee would hit him).

    dirty play by gardner if he had done it ? not in context with knowing that beckett was going to, unprovoked, drill jeter and arod the next night. of course beckett would not have hit jeter and arod had any yankee done something like gardner putting the hurt to gonzalez.

    the attitude of taking no crap has to always be for every member on the team for someone like gardner to react quickly and instinctively when an opportunity like taking out gonzalez appears.

    the yankees have zero attitude for this kind of payback edge so it never happens.

    the yankees will be able to beat other teams because other teams aren’t likely to cross the line the way the red sox do. they’ll still make the playoffs.

    but beat the red sox? nope, not until they man up and fight back against the intimidation of the red sox.

  103. GreenBeret7 June 10th, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Trader

    Golson and Dic kerson are pretty much the same players, though Dic kerson has more experience. I might think about Parraz first, but after the ASB. Laird is starting to hit after a starting slump, but, that’s his history. Rather streaky but, he’s hitting and playing the corners well. He could do a pretty good defensive job in right. Left field in YS might be an issue right now.

  104. Yankee Trader June 10th, 2011 at 8:59 am

    I hate to say this, and I hope I’m wrong, But Jorge Posada, who IMO is worthy of a place in Cooperstown, should retire. If not retire, demand a trade.

    Punish me now!! :(

  105. MTU June 10th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    And for those of you who might be inclined to knock our Farm system.

    Know this. It’s very, very good.

    Rated in the top 5.

    Loaded with good arms at the higher levels, and the best catching pipeline in baseball.

    We have loads of trade chips, and if people think that other teams
    don’t know this my guess is that they would be dead wrong.

  106. Ghostwriter June 10th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    MTU June 10th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Ghost-

    The LAST thing in the world I want to see the Yankees do is to fire Kevin Long.

    IMO you’re pointing the finger in the wrong direction there.

    He seems to be very well respected by the team and IMO has helped many players.

    If they regress is that on him ? Or perhaps you do not believe he was helpful in the first place ?

    Either way I totally disagree with moving him out. We could use more coaches like him.
    ==========================

    I know that Long has helped some guys, and I like Long also. However, there seems to be a lot of guys that swing from their heels on this club. The production with runners on base is inadequate, and there are a bunch of guys in the lineup that are well below their historical averages at this point. I think that something has to be done to shake things up. And I think that the club would benefit if they adopting a more team-oriented approach at the plate, working to string hits together rather than striking the big blow.

    I would rather fire Girardi, because I think that he is dong a crummy job, but I know that won’t happen. My hope is that firing somebody close to him would get Girardi to rethink his approach.

  107. Howard June 10th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    A. Beckett would beat the piss out of Jeter. Period.
    B. Gonzolez is about 100lbs bigger than Gardner, and probably would have hurt himself.
    C. Your tired, stupid act wanting everyone to hurt everyone is just that: lame. Beckett hitting Jeter hurt nobody but the Sux in the next ab.

    I feel stupider for even reading your regurgitated, tired old act about this crap. EVERYONE NEEDS TO BEAT UP A RED SOX! That’ll show ‘em!

  108. Yankee Trader June 10th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    GB7-

    I was thinking of Golson as a right handed bat to replace Andruw Jones, not necessarily to replace lefty Dickerson.

  109. lalaw June 10th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    Randy, your preaching to the choir. Not that the CAPTAIN would ever tarnish his reputation doing a noble thing as charge the mound, ARod ? Don’t I wish team lacks balls, you are so right. True its early yet this team has your number and AJ can’t even hit anyone Wednesday you wait for CC to do it ? This is a frustrating time for team I only wish they had some fire and would play the game harder, lack of running out a groundball by Posada and Swisher is not acceptable.

    So now what Cleveland can get back on track because of Yankees, I will be there over weekend hope for a turnaround.

  110. Howard June 10th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    that was a really pathetic pay back pitch that had zero effect

    You’ve demanded someone gets hit, someone does, and it’s a pathetic gesture? Why because it didn’t break something?

  111. Mike Ri June 10th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    I would rather fire Girardi, because I think that he is dong a crummy job, but I know that won?t happen. My hope is that firing somebody close to him would get Girardi to rethink his approach.

    What approach do you want Giradi to take. . The yanks have the 3 best record in baseball ?? The Team is filled with over the hill . underpreforming . injured players.. .. We had a bad series with the Sox ….. Lets move on and win some series . . .

  112. MTU June 10th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Ghost-

    I don’t agree at all.

    Long should not be the sacrifical lamb in your scenario.

    He has done a terrific job IMO. All the guys respect him enormously.

    He hasn’t been part of the problem. He’s been part of the solution.

    Shooting yourself in the foot firing a productive guy is totally wrongheaded. Hope that doesn’t even get a hearing.

  113. Ghostwriter June 10th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Mike Ri June 10th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    Posada is showing signs of coming out of his stupor—

    —-

    really ????
    ====================

    He’s the only one who hit against the Sox, and his batting average is up 40 points since the trip to Anaheim. So, yes, I would consider that improvement to be a sign of progress. Wouldn’t you?

  114. Mike Ri June 10th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    New Post — >

  115. Howard June 10th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Randy, your preaching to the choir. Not that the CAPTAIN would ever tarnish his reputation doing a noble thing as charge the mound, ARod ?

    No, because of all the stupid things to do in baseball, that’s probably the stupiest. Especially for a struggling team. Charging the moud will get you a week or two off baseball, only hurting an already scuffling team, and in the case of guys like Beckett, Clemens, CC, Verlander, ect…probably get you a broken bone or two in your face. Those guys are a lot bigger and stronger than you think they are.

  116. GreenBeret7 June 10th, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Trader, yes I would. I’d dump Jones in a heartbeat. I think Oakland might want to dump Matsui real soon. I realize that he’s left handed hitter, but, that park is eating him up. Might try getting Nolan Reinold from Baltimore.

  117. randy l. June 10th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    when beckett duck walks 5-6 steps towards jeter and rod on nasty inside pitches that hit bone and tendon, he’s got to be met by jeter and arod halfway to the mound.

    will this be a big brawl mess ? oh yeah.

    but the league and the media spotlight will be on beckett and it’ll stop right there.

    as it is beckett is laughing at jeter , arod, and the yankees .
    … and he absolutely will hit jeter and arod again.

    why not? it’s working isn’t it ?

  118. Erin June 10th, 2011 at 9:08 am

    New Post: Cashman: ?We?ll look from within first?

    :arrow:

  119. austinmac June 10th, 2011 at 9:09 am

    I don’t think any of the minor league OFs will provide offensive help. They are all older and have previous MLB failures. I do think an OF acquisition is vital to play for Swisher, Gardner or Popsada on any given night depending on the pitcher and how they are hitting.

    The suggestion that they go get Rodriguez from the Mets is inane. Too expensive and too troubled. Bring up a coupe guys from AAA and let’s see if they can contribute before valuable chips are spent on relievers. Of course, if a good lefy reliever became available, that should be looked into.

    I don’t believe the current starting staff will survive or be effective all year long. As most have known for months, a no. 2 type starter is neeeded. Hughes may or may not pitch effectively. He is no more a certainty than are Nova or Noesi at this point. He is a wait and hope.

  120. Ghostwriter June 10th, 2011 at 9:12 am

    MTU June 10th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    ========================

    What makes you so sure that he’s been part of the solution? How do you explain just about everybody on the team hitting below their career norms? Happenstance? It’s just not clear to me at all that he has done a great job. I think that he has them swinging for the fences too much, rather than looking to make solid contact and drive the ball.

  121. MTU June 10th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Mac-
    see the next thread.

    ;)

  122. pat June 10th, 2011 at 9:14 am

    “Ortiz’s ego is astronomically big. He really thinks he’s the center of his own universe.”

    He certainly “sucked the air out of the room” this series and made the narrative about him and not the team with his behavior, comments and mouth worthy of washing out and then blaming the media for it.

    After Manny’s act got old in Boston, the club and media realized they let him get away with bad behavior for a long time because he was producing. Sound familiar?

    There’s a name for people who think their behavior should be above question and their cuteness excuses their transgressions- toddlers. Time for Ortiz to grow up.

  123. MTU June 10th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    Ghost-

    I don’t believe it is Long who is preaching swinging for the fences.

    From what I have heard him say he preaches contact and quickness to the ball.

    His specialty IMO is finding flaws and helping guys to fix them.

    I’ve seen plenty of evidence of that.

    To me he is the Dave Duncan of hitting coaches.

    I don’t blame the teacher if the pupil doesn’t follow instructions.

    That’s my take. I can’t prove it to a metaphysical certainty.

    Let’s just agree to disagree.

  124. hman23 June 10th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    randy l. June 10th, 2011 at 8:54 am

    ———————-

    Right on. Best post of the day/night.

    Someone needed to charge the mound and throw a haymaker at Beckett, and the whole team should have been right behind him. Instead, it was a little plunk on Ortiz — in his huge thighs nonetheless. He was laughing on his way to first, knowing what pathetic a “payback” that was.

  125. Don Vito A. Bellamo June 10th, 2011 at 9:26 am

    When a Yankees team is 1-8 against the Red Sox, it speaks volumes about how they respond to “playoff-type pressure”. There is plenty of time for Cashman to wake up and realize this team needs improvement, but Jarhead Joe leaving CC in until the the lead was gone and they were down 4-2 shows another glaring hole in the team, right ?

  126. lalaw June 10th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Howard are you kidding ? Papelbumb gets 3 games(appealing) for bumping an ump. You really think 1-2 weeks for a fight come on your smarter than that. Pitchers are stronger than we think ? Ok maybe, I’m not advocating a brawl yet showing some fight for getting hit is what I’m seeking charging mound WILL spark fire.

    Guaranteed Sox will continue to hit Yanks and they will do NOTHING. You think thats right too ? If anything maybe Yanks should be on offensive side of this and start plunking them first, but oh I forgot we have too much class for this. Starting to look similar to Torre years around here.

  127. JimK June 10th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Although last year I posted frequently, this is my first post on this site, as the other blog now resembles Yankee Stadium attendance during the late 60′s.
    This is also the first post I have made this year regarding the Yankees 2011 team.
    I had predicted that the Yankees would be a .500 club or slightly better this year and I based my prediction on the last two months of Yankee play last year. In fact, last year, the Red Sox with far more injuries than the Yankees have suffered this year, stayed close enough to the Yankees to make last year’s season ending series meaningful and had many fans concerned about a Mets like collapse.

    The other major factor that on which I based my prediction was that the Yankees did almost nothing to improve last year’s team. They signed retreads and injury prone players and they have received the expected results; Chavez and Martin are injured, Colon and Garcia are basically .500 pitchers and the Yankees BP signings were a complete bust. It looks like Girardi will have to do what he has done the previous two seasons; rebuild the BP on the fly and as much as fans criticize Girardi’s managerial skills he has been successful in this area. Joba breaking down should not come as no surprise, since he has been on the Yankees he has been injured on several occasions and if I recall, his injury problems date back to his college days. The Yankees also seem to be unable to accurately assess their talent, of the their big three future rotation, Hughes, Kennedy and Chamberlain, the only one enjoying any success is Kennedy. However, it is pure speculation as to whether he would have enjoyed the same success with the Yankees that he is having with AZ.

    Another major problem with this year’s team is their defense. I do not recall a game in which they did not have at least one error, and this does not count the number of misplayed balls by Swisher in RF and their lack of range especially on the left side of their IF.

    Another problem is Cano’s hitting and his play at second base. For one thing I wish announcers would stop calling him an elite player and it is not only the Yankee announcers, they say the same thing about him on the Fox broadcasts. A comparison between Swisher and Cano shows very little statistical significance in their overall production; since 2005 their RBI’s, OBP, and Runs scored are almost identical and the last time I looked no one was mentioning Swisher as an elite player.
    As a fielder, last year Cano enjoyed an exceptional season; this year not so much. In last night’s game, in the 7th inning debacle, I thought Cano had a play at the plate, instead he chose the back hand pass to Jeter. I realize this is hindsight but when he fielded the ball, I thought for sure with Ortiz at third he would go home for the force.

    Basically, for the reason I cited here and many of the accurate comments on the age of the club I will stick with my prediction for the 2011 Yankees. However admittedly I also predicted that the Blue Jays would be better than they have showed so far.

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