Signs of life in the Bronx
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 10, 2011 
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The Yankees showed just how good they can be, and they showed just how hard replacing Joba Chamberlain might be in an 11-7 win against the first-place Indians. Curtis Granderson and Alex Rodriguez homered, Ivan Nova pitched seven strong innings and Jorge Posada had three hits, but the real highlight came when Mark Teixeira was hit by a pitch in the second inning. He slammed his helmet on the ground, yelled at Indians starter Fausto Carmona, and setoff a benches-clearing argument that had managers Joe Girardi and Manny Acta in a toe-to-two shouting match. Three rookie relievers tried to close out the win, but the Yankees ultimately went to Mariano Rivera to close out what had been a blowout.
Associated Press photo
Why didn’t they show this kind of fight v. the RS?
Chad–Any truth to the rumor that Girardi is so pissed at Indians that he plans to run over to their hotel and short sheet their beds?
When is that punk Soriano going to begin throwing?
1. Rich in NJ June 10th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Why didn’t they show this kind of fight v. the RS?
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Girardi didn’t want to rile up Jeter’s buddies, the RS.
The positive of that bullpen implosion is that hopefully it will implore the Yankees to get rid of the hot trash that is Sanit, Marquez, and Pendleton.
Nice that they almost blew a huge lead.
Those late runs by the Indians kind of took some air out it.
But they won. That’s the main thing.
“Girardi didn’t want to rile up Jeter’s buddies, the RS.”
I wish it was that simple.
Whenever the Yanks have a small lead or it’s a close game and the pitcher is done after 5 or 6 innings it’s going to be scary. Ayala might be able to get people out in a close game but everyone else is awful and being asked to do things they aren’t used/able to doing.
Still a good win. Good hitting, good pitching by Nova.
Buddy Carlyle got rocked for 6 runs in a loss to Charlotte tonight.
Box score:
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....a_swbaaa_1
The pen is a nightmare, no doubt. I suppose I should be really happy they won, but……..I don’t.
BoJo June 10th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Chad–Any truth to the rumor that Girardi is so pissed at Indians that he plans to run over to their hotel and short sheet their beds?
wasn’t funny the first time it was posted, and it’s even stupider again.
And Tex getting ticked off was good to see too.
Sorry, I want to like Girardi, but it’s tough to buy what he’s selling.
Girardi will protect his guys when they plunked, except of course if its a pitcher from the RS doing the plunking.
Whelan will get another chance. Kontos, and Flores are probably next. I still think they need to find a way to get Noesi back for possiblr relief of Garcia in Sundays game.
Ayala instills no confidence. Righties batting >.300 against him.
The pen is a nightmare, no doubt. I suppose I should be really happy they won, but……..I don’t.
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You are not happy because a couple of the least important members of the team performed poorly?
Odd, I didn’t see him protect his guys during the RS series. What a clown!
Yankees selected a few NH players. I like that. One is a 6-5, 215 lbs righthander Jordan Cote, who is 17 yrs old. 3rd Round Pick he was.
Canucks win!
3-2 series Vancouver.
Mo came in with the Yankees up 6 runs.
The game was never in any real jeopardy of being lost.
LGY, I’m not overly satisfied because one win doesn’t make me all of a sudden think this team is all that great. I’m not unhappy, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t feel like elated or anything – because I don’t think they are that good. Rich said earlier today that he’s felt apathetic – that’s kind of how I feel right now. The team ha.s a lot of holes to fill
“Boonie is going to have to get going.”
Wishing it doesn’t make it so.
Bruins lose….so sad.
Boon is going to have to get going…..like get going to Scranton….
I think every team in baseball has holes to fill.
It’s still about going out and winning games. Any way you can. Primary goal is to make it to the playoffs. Then you try to win it all.
This is still a good team. Warts, flaws, holes, injuries, and all. A good team worth following and cheering for.
I really hope that Cashman is smart at the trade deadline and doesn’t do something stupid to try and make a splash. I would only trade for a starting pitcher if it’s a #2 starter and someone that will help them next year and even the year after. If they can get a reliever for a lower level prospect fine but I wouldn’t trade anyone good or helpful. This team is a starting pitcher, 2 relievers and 1 big bat away from being a really good team not 1 player away. I hope Cashman isn’t stupid and pretends otherwise.
Betsy
You don’t have to think this team is great to be happy after they win.
Bullpen will have their hands full when the Ranger’s offense comes after these Indians.
“Primary goal is to make it to the playoffs.”
Not if it means overleveraging the future.
I’d much rather leave the rotation as is and have Noesi in the pen than leave him in Scranton to rot just because we MIGHT need him to start later.
Like I said, Hughes seems closer to coming back than any of our big relievers, so fixing the bullpen has to be a bigger priority right now. Also, our best insurance pitchers at AAA (Phelps, Warren, Mitchell) project better as starters than relievers, whereas Noesi has the stuff to be a late inning guy.
Not trying to get on your case or anything, Betsy.
I just think we’re better off than a lot of teams. If just a few players stepped up, we’d be great. As it stands, with all the struggles, rookie nerves, and injuries we’re still doing okay. Nobody’s running away with anything yet. That’s definitely in our favor.
“LeBron should play hockey, they don’t have a 4th.”
Frozen Rope June 10th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
BoJo June 10th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Chad–Any truth to the rumor that Girardi is so pissed at Indians that he plans to run over to their hotel and short sheet their beds?
wasn’t funny the first time it was posted, and it’s even stupider again.
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I think he posted that three to four times. Second only to the eight to nine times he’s joked about Colon’s doctor and stem cells. It’s sad to see someone so insecure they are practically begging for strangers to pat them on the back and tel them they are funny.
lol, Nick.
How can LeBron go from being so idolized to the most hated player in the league?
Lots of people pulling against the Heat. I’ve never seen anything like it.
Frozen Rope June 10th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
BoJo June 10th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Chad–Any truth to the rumor that Girardi is so pissed at Indians that he plans to run over to their hotel and short sheet their beds?
wasn’t funny the first time it was posted, and it’s even stupider again.
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A very effective technique for drawing out trolls. Worked once again.
This team is a starting pitcher, 2 relievers and 1 big bat away from being a really good team not 1 player away.
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There are only 2 relievers right now I have confidence in-Robertson and Rivera. I see a need for 5 relievers, 4 if you like Ayala.
If Swisher doesn’t pick it up they need a corner OF’er. Gardner needs to pick it up also. And then there’s Posada.
Smack – thud
I hate Wade way more than Bron.
LGY, yeah I know – I sound sort of spoiled. I should just be happy with a win, which is better than a loss……
M, that’s true. Maybe I’m just having a bad night – I’ve not gotten much sleep lately and it could be making me cranky. It’s a very long season – which is what I love about baseball. I think I’m losing my edge because I haven’t listened to Mike Francesca, lol. If I had listened to him recently, I’m sure I would have heard him conceded the division to the Sox. Since I can’t stand when he genuflects at their altar, I usually end up muttering to myself about how arrogant he is and how the Yankees will be fine, lol
After three bad games, that was much more enjoyable
Not perfect, but what is?
Nova is hilarious.
# 4 NYY June 10th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
If Hughes can’t throw harder than he’s been reported so far, don’t look for better results.
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what has been reported so far?
M, I think it’s just because the Heat came off looking completely unlikeable after the troika did their thing. People obviously were going to be inclined to root against Lebron – and that team does tend toward arrogance, which makes people do a fist pump when they lose, lol. I guess it’s how a lot of folks feel about the Yankees. I’ve always kind of liked the Mavs, so I’d be rooting for them anyway, but I really hope they beat the Heat. As a Knicks fan, I know the Heat will be very good for a long time and that they probably will win a few titles even if they don’t win this year, but maybe the Heat would start feeling a bit more humble and less entitled if they lost this year.
Phil was apparently clocked at 92, which seems like it’s pretty good news to me. I’m not concerned about his velocity (as long as it’s not 89-90). but about his other pitches. Still, with all the crappy news surrounding this team lately, it would be good news if he could make it back in one piece.
Phil was 90-92.
He has to be able to sit 91-93 and get it up to 94-95.
LGY, I can’t think of any times that Phil really cranked it to 95 except in the pen and in the first Sox game last year. Sometimes he’s able to hit 94, but he just doesn’t throw that hard consistently………..
Just because we don’t look great now does not mean there are a lot of holes to fill.
Maybe a few holes & when feliciano & soriano come back we might only need a player or two,if that.
The rs were burried this year by many,only now to look like the best team in baseball by adding nobody.
When the yankees were hot,all of the same people thought they were the best team ever.
Now we are to old & it’s the end of the world.
All it would take is a 2 game winning streak while the rs lose 2 in a row & we start the vicious cycle all over again.
Thank you for the radar gun readings
He was at 90-92 but it’s like his first ST outing, so that’s probably not his max velocity
Ron, I seriously doubt Feliciano is coming back. Soriano? Maybe, but I’m not holding my breath………..I don’t remember; did he ever have arm problems before?
Hughes maxed out at 94 in like every start last year. He is able to get it up to 95 occasionally.
He needs to average 92 on his heater. Not max out there. If he can’t reach back and get it up to 94 with 95 occasionally, he is not ready to come back.
Unless something major happens, the downfall of this team is going to be their piss poor pitching.
I think their offense will work itself out, but they have too many guys in that bullpen who are not Major League pitchers, and most of their starters are has beens or never weres.
94 *regularly* with 95 occasionally.
LGY, I think 94 is his max, but the problem is he starts out well and loses velocity fairly early in the game………I agree that if he can’t reach back and fire away occasionally with a 94/95 MPH heater, he’s not ready. I would have preferred leaving him in AAA to work on some things, but this team can’t afford that at this point and I’m just glad that Cashman has insisted that he’s going to start and not be sent to the pen. So far so good in terms of how he’s reacted, but it’s too bad that now there will always be the ? of how well he can hold up. I hope this was just a bad reaction to his big innings increase last year.
I don’t think we’re 4 relievers away from having a good pen. We had the best bullpen ERA in the AL up until a couple days ago and that was with only having Mo, Robertson, and Joba being consistently good all year.
Get Noesi incorporated back, pick up a reliever at the deadline (any Kerry Woods out there?) and we should be fine. Not having a lefty is an issue, but can be dealt with if the reliever we pick up has good splits.
Btw, how funny would it be if the Yankees picked up a lefty reliever, and started the 2012 season with that lefty, Marte, and Feliciano? That would be sweet redemption
Not another Phil Hughes velo debate…
YankeesInk Question to Alex: Was there any sense you guys were hit too many times over the past few says and had enough? “That’s pretty accurate.”
YankeesInk Alex says last few days at home were “embarrassing” and that Yanks had to send a message other teams can’t get “comfortable” on this field.
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Ummm what was the message tonight? I didn’t see one….
That’s very disappointing that they sent the message to the Indians rather than the Massholes.
Trade for a top SP. Put Hughes n Noesi in pen. Trade for a loogy.
Youk set up an Aerobed at 3rd base.
Now the Yankees care????
I love it when Yankee fans talk tough on the internet.
“I love it when Yankee fans talk tough on the internet.”
Be specific.
“Youk set up an Aerobed at 3rd base.”
My guess is that he only has use for a twin size.
If not for the internet I would have to send the Red Sox a strongly worded anonymous letter.
Well, I would write one, at least. Maybe I woudn’t send it.
“That’s very disappointing that they sent the message to the Indians rather than the Massholes.”
Rich, you have hit on the core of the problem – leaderhip. What is ‘Sweet Lou’ doing these days?
Isn’t Lou like 70? I love older people and hope to become one some day, but I’d prefer a younger man.
Yanks hate because success Heat hate because arrogant. Wade Bron poke fun of Nowitzk cough recent example. Feliciano will never throw game Yanks
Is that the result of auto complete?
Google translate isn’t yet perfect.
Did anybody notice In the picture above, how the catcher got between Tex and the pitcher.
NOT!
It’s kind of funny, he looks like doesn’t know what to do.
And getting pissed off may not have happened at the optimal time, but at least it happened. It’s a start.. or should I say it’s a process.
The closing out of the game wasn’t pretty, but how much do you expect from guys coming in their first ML games, and given a mop up role?
I don’t put much into the mess they made of it, as it really wasn’t going to be a loss unless there was a melt down beyond what they suffered against a hot playing RS team.
Big Sloppy didn’t do so well in tonight’s game. I’m thinking he really didn’t like getting HBP. It seems to me that Davis and Ortiz should switch Boston nicknames, as Ortiz handled the plunking by CC like a child. I think he should take his own advice and just man up.
What am I talking about, its the RS. Whining is in their DNA.
I Just don’t get the bullpen is ” the least important part of the team” BS…….No bullpen you don’t succeed unless you have the freakish run like The Chi-Sox had a few years ago……Yeah a pen get get hot and carry a team in the post season but day in day out you better have a bullpen that is dependable or there is no October…..Go back and look at all the Championship teams and tell me what club didn’t have a good & reliable bullpen for the season ????
Watching that scene back in the bot of the 2nd its interesting to note that Alex is the last one to the party. I mean to his defense he was all the way back by the on deck circle. oops.
Rich, I wish you a long and happy life. But age is not the issue here, it’s the “fire in the belly.”
Lou has it, as well as being part of the Yankee tradition. If Girardi does, he hides it too well, and nuance ain’t working vs the RS.
Lala Bron brought the world down upon himself. It wasn’t him going to South Beach that turned people off him, it was his show to announce where he was going and the manner in which he crapped on his fans. Then was the over the top show about how many championships the Heat were going to win.
Ever see the Yankees act like they did? Sorry, but no. There is a big difference between having a target on your back because of success, and an entirely different matter to put a target on your back by running your mouth before you have done anything.
LaBron is a narcissist. Maybe he will mature from this and end up being liked and admired again, but his getting knocked down a few pegs would be welcomed and applauded.
Confidence is one thing, what the Heat Three did was rub it in other people’s faces before they even played a game. That is pulling a Weiner.
I Just don’t get the bullpen is ” the least important part of the team” BS…….No bullpen you don’t succeed unless you have the freakish run like The Chi-Sox had a few years ago……Yeah a pen get get hot and carry a team in the post season but day in day out you better have a bullpen that is dependable or there is no October…..Go back and look at all the Championship teams and tell me what club didn’t have a good & reliable bullpen for the season ????
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For the playoffs its important to have like 3-4 good relievers. You don’t need a full GREAT bullpen for the playoffs. The Yankees have Mariano and David Robertson and should get back Soriano at some point. That right there is probably handy enough for a playoff run. They should trade/develop 1 or 2 more guys that can take the lower leverage spots in the playoffs.
# UnKnown June 11th, 2011 at 12:02 am
Watching that scene back in the bot of the 2nd its interesting to note that Alex is the last one to the party. I mean to his defense he was all the way back by the on deck circle. oops.
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How do you know when Alex arrived? From a small view of what was shown on TV? Sorry, but this is just the usual dump on Alex for no reason other than he is Alex.
I didn’t notice any punches being thrown, and other than Tex, no one was particularly HOT except for Pollyanna… err… Girardi.
Go back and look at all the Championship teams and tell me what club didn’t have a good & reliable bullpen for the season ????
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09 2000 1999 Arguably 1998. A lot of these bullpens are Mariano+1 guy+ some contributions. Not a collection of lock down relievers
I feel really good with Mariano and David Robertson, from now until the end of the season they have to find 2 more guys that are like 3 ERA relievers, preferably hard throwers
Problem is going to be when visiting the NL cities there will be a few more guys used to pitch because the pitcher might leave earlier then normal to get in a PH for him. Be nice if we had more than 2 guys to trust out of the pen.
Also to that note they are going to have to get another position player on the 25 before they go to Wrigley.
I Just don’t get the bullpen is ” the least important part of the team” BS
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What part of the team is the bullpen more important than?
“What part of the team is the bullpen more important than?”
The bench????
LGY, I think the BP is a lot less important than the starting rotation. If the starters are able to go deep into games then the BP isn’t all that important other than being able to cover an inning or two.
The weaker the rotation as far as going 6 plus innings, the more important the BP.
It all depends on the make up of the individual team. A strong rotation that only rarely uses the BP probably has the BP looking a lot stronger than it actually is as well.
“The bench????”
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True. Didn’t really have them in mind. Ok, gotta amend my earlier statement then
“The Yankees showed just how good they can be, and they showed just how hard replacing Joba Chamberlain might be in an 11-7 win against the first-place Indians.”
No team is playing as badly as the Indians right now. I would not read too much into this series.
I appreciate Chad’s attempt to make the fans feel better by saying the Yanks showed “just how good they can be” but really — the Cleveland’s pitching wasn’t exactly the stuff of aces.
Sorry pft2: just saw your posting. I just logged on and read Chad’s comment first and had to say sthg. Chad was sounding like Girardi there in that first sentence…