CC greets a green and white guest
Posted by: Sam Borden - Posted in Misc on Jun 12, 2011 
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I know there are some divided loyalties in terms of NFL teams on here, but I figured everyone can get behind CC Sabathia being a good guy. So … here’s a great AP shot from today of Sabathia signing autographs for Jets coach Rex Ryan and his family. If you’re keeping score, that’s Rex’s nephew, James, on the left; sister-in-law Lauren and son, Seth, on the right. No word on whether Rex is now guaranteeing that the Yankees will win the World Series.
By the way, Sabathia was a top-quality tight end coming out of high school, so if Dustin Keller gets hurt this season …
Good man CC .. . but lets go G-Men !!!!!
Is Ryan looking at CC’s feet?
Complain more Wade
That’s a big swing in this game….
That is the biggest bread basket to don a Yankees uniform since Bob Lemon.
Based on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSbh2MsxdNs
General: “what are you planning to do?”
Hitler: “I’m going to take all those so-called ‘prospects’ we have have cluttering up the minors and ship them all out by trading them to Tampa Bay.
I’m sick and tired of this stupid develop from within philosophy that we have been following.
So I am following the Soviet example of shipping them all off to a place where I never have to see them again…Bye bye.”
Gerneral: How will you do this mein fuhrer?”
Hitler: “I am goin go start with Scranton and then Trenton…”
2nd General: “There is a lot of talent there that we need. We were hoping to call some of them up to help the club”
Hitler:”Fine! We can do the same by just signing or trading for players that will perform well here.”
General: “But mein fuhrer, it is hard to know who will perform well before they get here. It is almost impossible to know.”
Hitler: ” I am holding you all accountable! I will not accept failure!”
General: “But how are we to know who will do well before they are acquired?”
Hitler: “I will not accept excuses from you or Glauber! I want winning results and demand it with the budget I give you!”
Credit for the above concept goes to JF
Note to self: Hire synchronized swimmers for your next party. http://bit.ly/mpJnBQ
Credit goes to you for execution, great job
AldotheApache June 12th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
That is the biggest bread basket to don a Yankees uniform since Bob Lemon.
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Billy Conners? Don Zimmer?
Kidd for 3
The Mavs are unreal…
Jerkface June 12th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Credit goes to you for execution, great job
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See GWs excellent additions on prior thread. Can you create and post on Youtube…
Probably should have lines in there about Montero, Betances, and Banuelos…
You know, we are probably sitting on a comic goldmine…just his daily posts combined with the right video–pure gold.
# Tom in N.J. June 12th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Is Ryan looking at CC’s feet?
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old habits die hard
I haven’t been on since this afternoon. What’s the story regarding Montero?
HYankees close to agreement with Dante Bichette Jr.
By Mike Axisa
Via K. Levine-Flandrup, the Yankees are close to reaching an agreement with 51st overall pick Dante Bichette Jr. He’ll be in Tampa to take a physical on Tuesday. No word on the money, but I can’t imagine it’s far above slot (which is approximately $695,000), if it is at all. Bichette didn’t figure to be a tough sign or anything, but it’s always good to get the deals done as soon as possible so the kid can get some playing under his belt. Assume the physical goes well, I imagine he’ll report to the Rookie Level Gulf Coast League Yankees in time for their season opener next Monday. · (6) ·
http://www.riveravenueblues.com
Cashman said it was because of Montero’s eye infection.
Good news on Dante.
Thanks, blake.
Thanks Tom
No prob Tom….love it when guys sign quick and go ahead and start playing.
Go Mavs!
GreenBeret7 June 12th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
AldotheApache June 12th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
That is the biggest bread basket to don a Yankees uniform since Bob Lemon.
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Billy Conners? Don Zimmer?
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I considered them. Both smaller/shorter than Lemon and Ryan.
I don’t have time to do this script justice right now,, but it might be fun to try and write something up and post it on youtbube. Here is a first pass at a beginning.
Ghostwriter June 12th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
BoJo June 12th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
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Cashman: Mein Fueher, we have fallen 2 games behind the Red Sox. Bartolo Colon, our second-best starter, has suffered a hamstring injury, and could be out for several weeks…
Hitler: Cashman, Girardi, Michaels, Oppenheimer, Stay. The rest of you leave us.
{people file out; the door closes}
Hitler: WHY dOES ANYBODY NOT LISTEN TO ME???? I told you to go and get Holliday and Crawford! Instead we pass on them, and we have Brett Gardner starting in left field!!! BRETT GARDENER—a F–ing fourth outfielder!!!
Hitler: How are we supposed to win the World Series if nobody can follow my orders???? We should be 10 games ahead of the accursed Red Sox by now instead we are 2 games back!!!! At this rate we are going to be fighting for a wild card spot!!! A WILD CARD SPOT!!!!
Woman in outer office sobs quietly
Second woman: {comforting the first} He doesn’t mean it.
To be continued….
Blake, me too. Get them signed then coach ‘em up
Who’s the cute chick in the background making the dorky face (in the green shoes)?
Great stuff GW–I’m off to sleep but we can tweak this tomorrow and over the week.
JF–Can you produce the video?
Dirk bout to get a ring
Not the biggest Mark Cuban fan….. but it’d be nice to see him win one .. the dude loves his team
Jordan never lost in the finals
Congrats to Jason Kidd
Happy for Jason Kidd. The consummate pro.
Dirk: Taking the trophy from South Beach
Yeah Mavs!!!
So I guess its still “not one”… for LeBron.
With a new coach and some roster tweaks the Knicks can beat the Heat for years to come.
Odds, did you see the piece in Baseball Prospectus on Joba?
Awesome Dallas! There is no one I hate more than the Heat othr than the Sux. Take that Lebron you jerk.
Classy move by Cuban.
I like Mark Cuban.
What did Cuban do
He had Stern present the trophy to Donald Carter the original owner of the Mavs.
Hey Bojo – you are not posting any video on Hitler here without reprecussions. Take that to the bank. You have my word on it.
He had the Trophy handed to the original owner of the Mavs.
Unfortunately, another year of hearing about the “decision” goes with the Miami loss. If they had won, it would have dissipated.
Didn’t Bojo already post a video of Hitler?
Are we in some type of time warp?
I was cheering for the Heat……when they played the Celtics…..then I cheered against them!
And don’t want to hear that the Heat are the better team because the best team always wins barring some insane moves by the refs/umps which are extremely rare (like SHU v. Michigan in 1989).
Nice for Dirk and Kidd.
Amazing run that Dallas put together, even though almost all the experts said that Miami had it, that the series was over.
Dirk deserved the MVP, he was really something throughout the playoffs.
# J. Alfred Prufrock June 12th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Odds, did you see the piece in Baseball Prospectus on Joba?
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No I didn’t see it. I’m sure it’s go though
West Coast Yankee Fan says:
June 12, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Hey Bojo – you are not posting any video on Hitler here without reprecussions. Take that to the bank. You have my word on it.
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I have no doubt that Chad, Sam, & Co. takee you about as seriously as their friend Feinsand did … And he BANNED you.
Take THAT to the bank.
Would you guys believe me if I said I predicted the Mavs to win the championship at the start of the playoffs?
Congrats Mavs! No title for Lebron and Wade this year.
The Mavs had some good teams back in the day: Blackman, Aguirre, Schrempf (I’m probably missing some guys).
If there are why repercussions for Bojo posting a video I will dole out repercussions.
Take THAT to the bank
I really want Jeff Van Gundy to coach the Knicks again. He’d teach them team concept defense, but it won’t happen.
LGY says:
June 12, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Would you guys believe me if I said I predicted the Mavs to win the championship at the start of the playoffs?
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No.
I kid, LGY, I kid!
Every time I almost feel sorry for WC, he posts something that makes me think…nah.
The Heat have an Imposter Superstar in Bosh and the least clutch superstar on the planet in Bron.
Wow. Honestly got to say that was a very entertaining NBA Finals. Dallas played very well. Role players stepped up. They played great D. Carlisle did a great job. Cuban was classy (i.e. quiet) the whole time, he must’ve been drugged!
Miami fell short. The 2 1/2 superstars might not work. Hard to give enough touches to both Wade and LeBron. Must be a tough pill to swallow for Miami and its stars.
I’m glad the Heat lost for so many reasons, but mostly because it takes a lot more to win it all than 3 spoiled stars wishing it so. I’m very surprised that Riley didn’t reign them in more, since he’s old school.
I don’t think we’ll hear about the decision. But we will hear about their collective failure for the entire summer. And that’s something that a lot of fans wouldn’t mind hearing.
Rich never feel sorry for me. I could take on those of you tonight with both hands tied behind my back. Nothing could be easier.
If Bron and Wade wanted to join forces they should have left Bosh on his own and used that cash to build around the two of them.
It’s your lack of self-consciousness, WC. But whatever.
You know who’d be really good together? Wade and Melo.
I could see Bosh getting traded for depth..
WCYF, how old are you?
I’m not interested in a conversation with you Tom, thanks.
Damn, Clarence Clemons had a stroke. My prayers go out to him.
They not trading Bosh. No team would take Bosh. Bosh surprisingly play very well. Play better with his talent than Bron with his talent. Used like Wade, was humble coming out Marquette. Now, arrogant and full of self
ich in NJ June 12th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Damn, Clarence Clemons had a stroke. My prayers go out to him.
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Thast’s so sad to hear. I hope that he’ll be okay.
I just heard that. Get well Big Man.
True story, I share a Birthday with him. When I was younger we went out to diner oni t to celebrate. Clarence was also there celebrating his. He bought me a birthday caks.
Happy for J Kidd….comes full circle and wins a title….cool story
Bittersweet about Kidd.
Hard to believe how long ago those finals runs were.
Brings tears to my eyes because its like my childhood went right before me.
Before today:
OPS+
Reyes: 151
Beltran:: 145
I’d like one or both in the offseason.
NYK and the Heat need a C and legit PG…C hard to come by, PG think Deron Williams…who knows what the CBA brings
Houston Rockets would take Bosh in a second – Morley begged for him last year during FA.
Reyes would scare me as a FA. He was a career 101 OPS+ player before this season, with his highes being +118.
Barring something really unexpected, Deron should stay.
The idea of being the centerpiece of this Brooklyn move is ridiculously attractive.
As long as the Nets make some additions this offseason and the new CBA provides for it, I’d be pretty confident in him signing an extension this summer.
It’ll be far easier for him to recruit talent if he’s firmly committed to that situation and he knows it.
He’s definitely a risk, and TBH, I can’t see it happening.
Obviously, I have a bias, but I can’t see Williams re-upping unless they acquire a second star.
Damn – Clarence Clemons, the big man. He’s had health problems for years I hope he will recover. That hits home.
I can see Beltran having a Bobby Abreu-esque late career..
Take it like a man Bosh – you get what you deserve after last summer and celebrating signing a FA contract like you just won a championship.
http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/.....ng-finals/
Wow, the Mavs won? I’ve always kind of liked them and obviously I detest the Heat. I’m sure the Heat will win a few, but at least it won’t be this year.
I didn’t know I was going to be the center of controversy when I left. I know I am pessimistic, but IMO, I am realistic. I don’t believe in holding back opinions on message boards – and I don’t think that’s what message boards are for. I get that many don’t like me and that’s fine, but it would be nice if they could channel their hatred instead of opening fire everytime I post. I’m only human – so are we all.
Blake, Jerkface, G-C – I appreciate your words. I can’t tear myself away from here yet because I’ve had such great conversations with you guys in the past……..
Tonight I watched the greatest movie ever – North by Northwest. I’d never seen it before – now I’m sorry I haven’t. So, despite whatever arguments I got into before or will get into, my night has not been a waste, lol
I can’t say I’m overly happy for Kidd, but I like Novitzki……..
Rich, 2012 is going to be a hard one for the Knicks – I just have no idea how they are going to improve whatwith no cap room – who is their GM anyway, lol?
“Obviously, I have a bias, but I can’t see Williams re-upping unless they acquire a second star.”
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Rich,
I’m biased too. But I was glad that the Finals worked out the way they did because it proved that this ridiculous “multiple star” blueprint isn’t a must in winning a championship.
I’m not sure how it picked up so much steam, to be honest. People anointed this Miami team and its “blueprint” as being the only way to go before they did anything.
I happen to think the Knicks went way, way too far in making that two star blueprint happen. Right now they’ve got two stars and a chock full of players who wouldn’t make most rotations in the NBA.
I know they really didn’t have a choice, but they have some work to do.
Betsy
I, otoh, am an optimist
as long as reality permits it.
It still seems that Walsh is calling the shots for now:
http://www.theknicksblog.com/2.....situation/
As for the next GM, I hope it’s someone who prioritizes defense, and doesn’t fall for D’Antoni’s sudden willingness to do a 180 by hiring a defensive coordinator only when he knows that he has one foot out the door.
Betsy June 12th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
I can’t say I’m overly happy for Kidd, but I like Novitzki……..
Rich, 2012 is going to be a hard one for the Knicks – I just have no idea how they are going to improve whatwith no cap room – who is their GM anyway, lol?
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2011-2012 – they have very little cap room – but they do have Billups expiring
for the 2012-2013 season they will have room – assuming the cba does not dramatically change – and that is the real thing to take into account – being a “realist” means waiting for the new cba to be bargained and accepted – being a pessimist is saying i have no idea how they are going to improve before the new cba is done – wait and see how it unfolds. . . .
Plus Turiafs 5 millionish comes off as well along with Billups after the 2011-2012 season.
Jim Burton: Karma in 6. … Don’t celebrate before the season starts. Don’t jock The Beatles. Don’t mock the sick. 1 minute ago
Eloquently said. . . .
Leyritz is on with Bruce Beck. I really didn’t follow the facts of his case, but he is making a good account of himself, at to someone as uninformed as I am.
But Mavs not a total feel good story – they are way over the salary cap – different story if this was Memphis or Oklahoma City. The Mavericks should be talked about by ESPN and pundits just like the batter the Yankees for buying championships. Cuban bought this championship under that standard.
Dolan worst owner sports, Cuban best owner sports, GMS III best owner sports history
Rich, I like optomists because I’m not one myself, lol. I’m looking forward to seeing what Melo and Amare can do together as it still stings that the Knicks were so awfully unlucky with injuries against the Celtics. Yeah, I agree about the D – it’s clear that the players are capable of playing it, so there’s no excuse there.
Stoneburner, I guess patience is in order, but I wonder what Paul is going to want to do. As I’ve read, there’s no way he’s going to want to go through what Melo went through…….Will New Orleans trade him? He seems happy there now. Hopefully there won’t be a lockout. I guess we will just have to wait and see (which I’m not good at because I don’t have any patience, lol)
I think the owner of the Clippers is worse than Dolan (granted, a low bar). At least Dolan spends money. There are probably a few others.
Dirk: The Big Schadenfreude
Reneg Rich. Dolan do spend money. Point take
” it’s clear that the players are capable of playing it, so there’s no excuse there.”
Betsy
It’s not merely about capability. A coach has to teach technique, formulate schemes, set assignments, make in-game adjustments, and perhaps most of all, make it a priority. You have to get your best players to buy into a defensive mentality.
So it’s inaccurate to say it’s just about excuses. It’s real.
The East is wide open in the near future. The Heat are flawed, the Magic are in cap hell and Howard is probably on his way out, the Hawks are limited with no superstars, and I don’t believe in the Bulls because of their dumb contracts to Deng and Boozer.
Should be an interesting few years
Rich, I meant that there is no excuse for the organization not to focus on D……….. Donnie has to take some blame for what went on because he hired D’Antoni. Possibly he figured the team would be so bad anyway for awhile that he might as well hire a coach that would make them entertaining offensively. Who knows? I am not one that thinks D’Antoni deserves to be fired, but I have to think about whether I think he’s the right coach for this team. Right now, the team is so incomplete, it’s hard to tell.
D’Antoni not good coach. Hired because USA link with LBJ. Hired to get LBJ.
Brett Gardner since April 28: .344/.428/.504 in 141 PAs.
#betterthanposada
Betsy
Ruppert is right.
bbbbbbut he can’t steal a base…
Some rumblings are that Phil Jackson will be the Knicks coach in 2013.
Rich, Ok, I wasn’t aware of that. Well, I guess he’s here at most for 1 more year, but when a new GM is hired, it’s going to be weird for him to have a coach that he didn’t hire. I’m not sure I love the idea of Donnie calling the shots. I mean, he’s probably going to end up with another team anyway – just how much does he have invested in this team now?
LeBron has got some serious growing up to do:
“At the end of the day, all of the people that were rooting for me to fail, tomorrow they’ll have to wake up and have the same life that [they had] before they woke up today. They got the same personal problems they had today and I’m going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things I want to do.”
“They can get a few days or a few months or whatever the case may be of being happy about not only myself, but the Miami Heat, not accomplishing their goal, but they have to get back to the real world at some point.”
Betsy
I’m not worried about Walsh’s integrity. He’ll do the right thing from his perspective.
The Busses are good owners.
I can’t stand Cuban, but I admire him for having the good sense to not open his mouth this post-season.
Rich, yeah, I think you’re right. If it wasn’t for him, the Knicks would still be a complete non-entity. Not that this means a lot, but there was an enormous amount of Knick talk on sports radio this year, even as the baseball season progressed. They’re at the point now where fans and the media are expecting them to do something. When they were bad/awful, it was like, who cares? But now that’s not the case.
LGY, I’d have to ask myself why Lebron is even thinking about those people? Now if he was asked, I guess that’s a different story. I don’t personally hate him – I really don’t spend any time thinking about him – but you’d think he’d be more upset at losing the title than anything else.
Did LeBron really say those words? That the little people will wake up and still be living their petty lives?
While he wakes up, still ringless….
When he says things like that, and Witness this, and Chosen that. Ugh. I know it’s marketing, but he still hasn’t proven anything.
Rich,
He was asked: “Does it bother you that so many people are happy to see you fail?”
Bosh needs to stop crying so often.
The correct answer would have been, “I don’t really think about what others think. I only know that not winning hurts. Any doubts and hate only fuels me to work harder so that I don’t have to live with that hurt.”
LGY
LeBron should just count his ample blessing and STFU.
Rich in NJ June 13th, 2011 at 12:15 am
bbbbbbut he can’t steal a base…
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It’s late, and I haven’t a lot of time. However, I would like to make this point quickly. The stolen bases or lack thereof aren’t a big deal. However, the times caught stealing are. For a player like Gardner for whom stolen bases are a big part of their game, you should a more expansive view of their batting and OBP averages. Gardner has 50 hits in 181 ABs (.276 BA). If you take into account the number of times he was caught stealing, his hit count becomes 41 (50-9), and his implied BA average falls to .227 from .276.
You can do the same exercise with his OBP, as well as his slugging percentage (Total bases would increase by 13-9=4). This would be the most appropriate and most accuarate way of accounting for his net impact on the offense. You can point at his OPS all you like, but it doesn’t change the fact that his contributions are greatly tempered by the ineptitude on the base paths and the outs that he gives away. When you look at his net contributions in a more comprehensive fashion, it’s a real hard sale that he’s having a good year offensively.
So, Steven A. Smith this week dropped the bomb after LBJ’s 8 point game that something personal was going on in LeBron’s life. He wasn’t going to substantiate it, but it was something personal that’s probably no one’s business.
Later it came out that the rumor was that his fiance was have an affair with Rashard Lewis. Lewis went on the radio and said he’s never even met her.
People don’t deserve these kinds of false rumors, it’s pretty sick that someone would spread that during the Finals.
Heat lost!!!!!!
James score total 18 4th qtr points in all 6 games! way to go!
They choked!!
What do people want to do about Gardner? Trade for DeJesus? Beltran? Other teams would love to have them some Gardner. Even with his base running yips. And yips is what they are.
It’s late, and I haven’t a lot of time. However, I would like to make this point quickly. The stolen bases or lack thereof aren’t a big deal. However, the times caught stealing are. For a player like Gardner for whom stolen bases are a big part of their game, you should a more expansive view of their batting and OBP averages. Gardner has 50 hits in 181 ABs (.276 BA). If you take into account the number of times he was caught stealing, his hit count becomes 41 (50-9), and his implied BA average falls to .227 from .276.
You can do the same exercise with his OBP, as well as his slugging percentage (Total bases would increase by 13-9=4). This would be the most appropriate and most accuarate way of accounting for his net impact on the offense. You can point at his OPS all you like, but it doesn’t change the fact that his contributions are greatly tempered by the ineptitude on the base paths and the outs that he gives away. When you look at his net contributions in a more comprehensive fashion, it’s a real hard sale that he’s having a good year offensively.
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So if he didn’t try to steal any bases you’d be fine with that? For that matter, what happens to Posada when you consider the fact he has been thrown out on the bases 5 times this year? I think Gardner will keep working on his steals, and get back to the 80% he is capable of.
Right attitude, wrong words
m June 13th, 2011 at 12:51 am
What do people want to do about Gardner? Trade for DeJesus? Beltran? Other teams would love to have them some Gardner. Even with his base running yips. And yips is what they are.
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I would like to keep him. I think that he can be a very valuable player for us, and he still hasn’t reached his potential. However, there are some holes in his game that he needs to improve (reading pitchers, stealing bases, running bases, and bunting)
Using his “implied” batting average is a pretty slanted way of looking at Gardner?
Does he get extra points for getting doubles when most players would get a single, triples instead of doubles, scoring from first when others wouldn’t? What about other players who run into outs? Do they get this implied BA thing as well?
It is just a very inconsistent and unfair standard for judging him.
So if he didn’t try to steal any bases you’d be fine with that? For that matter, what happens to Posada when you consider the fact he has been thrown out on the bases 5 times this year? I think Gardner will keep working on his steals, and get back to the 80% he is capable of.
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I’d rather he didn’t run if he is going to be caught at such an alarming rate. (He’s essentially wasted 18 percent of his hits!) However, if he can reliably steal bases, it effectively raises his adjusted slugging percentage. There’s a balance to be struck. I haven’t done the math, but I think that if he steals at an 80-percent clip, it’s a net positive for the club.
That first sentence should not have a question mark at the end.
LGY June 13th, 2011 at 12:59 am
Using his “implied” batting average is a pretty slanted way of looking at Gardner?
Does he get extra points for getting doubles when most players would get a single, triples instead of doubles, scoring from first when others wouldn’t? What about other players who run into outs? Do they get this implied BA thing as well?
It is just a very inconsistent and unfair standard for judging him.
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It makes sense to do it that way for everybody, because it is the most comprehensive way of accounting for his achievements. If a guy reaches on a hit and gets picked off, then what good was the hit? Granted, the hit could have some benefit if there was a runner in scoring position, but otherwise, it has a negligible effect on helping the offense score runs. Think about it, and I think that you’ll saee that I’m right.
Good night, all
I should have said 70 percent (actually 67 percent) stolen base success rate, not 80 percent .
Ghostwriter,
My rhetorical question wasn’t aimed only at you. There are a lot of comments about Gardner, when to be quite honest, he’s amongst the least of our troubles.
Some people point to his running and think that’s all he’s good for. And if he can’t do that, then he should be replaced.
But he has value, especially $ for $, when compared to other players. He doesn’t hit for power, and he’s having trouble on the bases. Everything else is plus or plus plus.
If he’s a problem, then he needs to be replaced. But replacements don’t come easy, nor any cheaper than Gardner.
In the interest of fairness, Brett also has trouble bunting.
But otherwise, he’s a decent player. And I stand by my statement. What other team wouldn’t use a cheap speedy, plus defender with a good plate discipline? Only the Red Sox wouldn’t really need him since they have Carl Crawford.
Gardner is a talented ballplayer in some regards. He’s a streaky hitter who when on can contribute. He turns singles into doubles and doubles into triples, is a very good defensive outfielder due to his speed and he has a good arm.
He does not hit for power, he cannot bunt and he has very poor base stealing instincts; at least at this point in time.
So yes, he can contribute to a team, but he is not and should not be considered a long-term solution to play left field for the New York Yankees.
“What do people want to do about Gardner?”
I don’t want to trade Gardner.
The thing that frustrates me with Brett is he makes the hard stuff look easy (eg: his plate discipline), and what should be the easy stuff look hard (eg: Base running).
His speed is a weapon (especially when coupled with plate discipline) that when “utilized” makes the Yankees a much better and well rounded team.
But If you negate the speed portion of his offensive game, then as a LF, he is not so valuable and more easily replaced.
Hopefully a day like today is what he needed to turn this year around.
Good night all.
I for one, have never held onto any illusions that Gardner is a long-term solution for the NYY. I was one of the first to say that Gardner will suffer the same fate as Melky. Marginal players who will not give good value as they get more expensive.
I guess I’m different from others. I try to appreciate what players bring to the table rather than what they fail to do.
Right now, Gardner is a great value for the Yankees.
*rather than focus on what they fail to do.
I disagree. It is not so “easy” to replace Gardner.
There’s not an abundance of good outfielders. Sure, there’s plenty of Jones, Kearns, and Winn types. But who’s going to trade us a Choo, Sizemore, Upton, Gutierrez, or Markakis?
We had a chance to go after Holliday and Crawford. We chose not to.
Right now, Gardner is a great value for the Yankees.
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Yea, they don’t have to re-up Gardner for an a-rod or jeter length deal. He will be around until his price increases to a point where a more expensive and typical left fielder will probably take his place. Or something like Heathcott comes up and Granderson gets shifted.
IMO, that’s because we had Gardner. We could have gone for Holliday, Bay, or Crawford. But we already had big to huge outlays for Sabathia, Rodriguez, Tex, Burnett, Jeter, Posada, and Mo.
Having players like Gardner allows us some semblance of payroll discipline.
Payroll discipline should not be concept held by Yanks. But because presence of such discipline, Gardner fits
Every time you sign a big name to a FA deal you risk that deal being a stinker. Not everyone is a guarantee. Having guys like Gardner gives the yankees flexibility. Gardner can be replaced by anyone. A free agent signing can’t.
Payroll flexibility! That’s the phrase I was looking for. By having a player like Gardner as a placeholder, so to speak, we can hold off on a big contract until some of the older ones come off the books. Or we can trade for outfielders that other teams want off their books.
Or trade gardner or DFA gardner if they want to promote someone from within. Etc. If you sign a bunch of people to long term deals you end up with ballooning costs and a rigid roster that leaves little in the way of providing help in the event of injuries.
A rigid roster is a good concept if it locks in a good player. I wish we had a Holliday or Crawford locked in to play left for a long time. The Yankees can fade the heat of a year or two of salary at the back end of a deal. I don’t think the zero return on Igawa’s $48 million had a financial impact.
Quote of the night -Mark Cuban:
“Our fans just punked the s**t out of Miami fans.”
A rigid roster is a good concept if it locks in a good player. I wish we had a Holliday or Crawford locked in to play left for a long time. The Yankees can fade the heat of a year or two of salary at the back end of a deal.
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You can’t have a Holliday or a Crawford and a Cfer locked up and RFer locked up and A-rod and Jeter and Cano and teixeira and whatever catcher they get and sabathia and burnett and the next FA pitcher and the one after that. That is the entire point. At some point you CANNOT keep signing players because it limits you. And you don’t even know if the player is going to be good when you lock them in, so whats the point of saying that. yea its great to have a guy locked up for 10 years where he OPS’s 900+ every year and plays good defense. Thats NO ONE EVER. Someone is going to decline, get injured, have a down year, whatever and then you’re boned because your 25 man roster and 40 man is taken up by immovable contracts.
There has been much written about Jorge Posada’s concussion related problems. To me it became obvious at least two years ago that something was happening with his on-field focus.
I believe I saw him several times as catcher mistake the number of outs in an inning.
As a hitter I saw him mistake the count on several occasions, not knowing how many balls or strikes were happening.
I saw him commit commit many base-running errors. This season it has become super-exaggerated.
Catchers and concussions, or ballplayers and concussions will eventually become a hot-topic if it isn’t already.
The Yankees are worth almost $2 billion dollars and they could put another $15 -20 million a year into a left fielder like Holliday or Crawford if they had wanted to — they wouldn’t have even felt a slight breeze. Any budget limitations are self-imposed and not based on any current need for financial restraint IMO. Between the new stadium, the YES network, the stadium management corporation, ticket sales, merchandise, advertising revenues and other ancillary revenue sources the Yankees have nothing to worry about in terms of a consistent annual revenue stream.
Self imposed, it still exists, thus it has to be taken seriously. The yankees could buy anyone, DFA them if they suck, and replace them the next year with another free agent signing, but soon you’d have half the teams in baseball paying league minimum for yankee castoffs that can still be effective.
Maybe they could have had a holliday on this team, but then if they needed something else you’d just say ‘well they can afford a 20 million cliff lee on top of that!’ and then another and another. At some point you have to recognize that flexibility is important, even for a resource rich team. Honestly free agents are so binding, since teams hardly ever cut bait on a free agent signing until the last possible moment, that the yankees should be putting their money into the draft and IFA and less on FA signings.
I’m not at all inclined to believe the Yankees are as flush as everyone says. If revenue sharing didn’t exist, then yes. But they lost a lot of money over this past decade and I believe they rank #1 in most money lost in the past 10 years and by a big margin. That does not include YES but it also doesn’t include the principal payback on the new stadium either in the most recent years and going forward. So they are in no position to be buying free agents for $15-20M that they are going to be casting off.
“Any budget limitations are self-imposed and not based on any current need for financial restraint IMO.”
Quote of year.
I beg to differ – the Yankees are flush. For starters, they are worth twice as much as the Boston Red Sox for starters; baseball’s second wealthiest team.
The Yankees, are really YGE or Yankee Global Enterprises.
* In 2010 the Yankees generated $325 million in revenue from ticket sales.
* They also took in almost an additional $90 million dollars in sponsorship fees with PepsiCo, Bank of America, MasterCard and Delta Air Lines.
* The YES Network, which the Yankees have a 34% stake in had over $400 million in revenue last year.
*The Yankees partnership in the Legends Hospitality Management Company generated $25 million in operating income.
* The RV or enterprise value which reflects the market value of the Yankees, YES and Legends is $5.1 billion.
so anyone out there who was happy w/ yesterday’s results?
Yankees got 18 hits off a good pitcher, and scored 9 runs, none via HR
Freddie had a good bounce back outing
the bullpen came thru
anyone enjoying Tex and Grandy in the HR chase?
with all the bickering going on, you wouldn’t know the Yankees just won 3 in a row
Not me, Kate. I don’t like nothin’.
oh that is not true GB…we all know you like pizza and beer
Hey Lebron…..I celebrated your losing last night and woke to my normal crappy life this morning…..but I still feel good about it
Question of the morning: how many HRs would Prince Fielder hit in YS? Not advocating the Yankees signing him….just asking
well, except for that. I don’t really like it. I need for i’ts lifegiving properties. Alcohol and cholesteral.
Blake
I am guessing that somewhere along the line I missed hearing about your new baby, which would certainly make your life not crappy…well except for changing diapers!
The Yankees are absolutely positively loaded. Most of the Stadium costs are taken out of revenue sharing, so the leeches of baseball are in essence helping fund the place.
Still some level of restraint is warranted or you’ll end up with Isian Thomas’ Knicks of a few years ago. They’ve had the top payroll in baseball for a long time, but it’s been kept relatively flat for the past 4 seasons and I have no problem with that.
I wouldn’t be surprised by one major pickup as we get closer to the trading deadline, most likely for the bullpen.
Blake,
Very funny 7:49 post.
Kate-
“with all the bickering going on, you wouldn’t know the Yankees just won 3 in a row ”
Clampetts and the McCoys at it again for sure.
Kate,
Yea life is good…..I just think Lebron needs to thknknbefore he speaks.
Kate-
Since I know you love animals I’m posting this photo taken by a hiking friend of mine.
He caught a rare glimpse of this critter.
Really cool photos.
Hint: “You only hear what they want you to hear.”
Enjoy.
https://picasaweb.google.com/cybermrb03/Bobcat?authkey=Gv1sRgCPzl5rzthpOA_gE#
wow MTU what a beauty
I got my tickets for Sunday!!! So now if Jeter doesn’t get it on Thursday, he’s simply going to have to wait ’til Sunday night.
Kate-
I thought so. Went on a different hike that day or I would have seen the same.
Oh well. Maybe next time.
MTU-great pictures!
Erin-
I didn’t take those but an acquaintance of mine did.
Glad you enjoyed them. My pleasure to share.
Sorry MTU. Should have read that more carefully. Forgive me, it’s Monday morning. lol
Erin-
No problem whatsoever. I just wanted to give credit where credit was due is all.
Unless they plan on selling off part of the team like the Mets are, or borrowing money, what the team is worth has absolutely no bearing on income and operating funds.
In addition to player salaries, they have hundreds of other personel salaries and benefits, as well as millions in operating costs, and don’t forget debt service, revenue sharing and luxury tax. I highly doubt they are nearly as “flush” as people believe.
Additionally, the debt service on the new stadium lowers their income, which lowers their revenue sharing payments, but does not provide any funds.
It’s clear to me that few people here commenting on this have ever owned a business. Keep living in Dreamland while the adults take care of the economic realities.
MTU,
That’s a nice one…..if you’ve ever seen one live its amazing how the move…..they don’t make a sound even on the most still and quite days. Amazing critters.
Blake-
Still waiting for my 1st glimpses of a Mtn. Lion in the wild.
In all of my travels or those of my compatriots no one has ever even come close to photographing one. A few brief encounters but no pics.
That would be really special. At a safe distance of course.
Good Morning GB, Kate, MTU and Erin:
Good too see you all.
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“upstate kate June 13th, 2011 at 7:32 am
so anyone out there who was happy w/ yesterday’s results?
Yankees got 18 hits off a good pitcher, and scored 9 runs, none via HR
Freddie had a good bounce back outing
the bullpen came thru
anyone enjoying Tex and Grandy in the HR chase?”
You can put me in that catagory. Especially pleased to see Swisher and Posada coming around. Great day for GGBG!
Good fortune,
C
My husband and I saw a mtn lion cross the road one night, driving thru the Adks. The DEC claims there aren’t any in our area, but we have seen plenty of coyotes, and this was definitely not a K9, but a big cat.
RSM, spot on post.
Hi Comet!
Erin- I am still hoping Jeet gets it done on your birthday
Comet-
Good to see you around.
Hope all goes well in the Land of the Maple leaf.
Kate-
A bigfoot ? Even better.
Morning Comet!!
Kate-me too
Good morning my friends. MTU all is well up here. How about life for you in Utah.
Comet-
All quiet on the Western front.
The quest continues…..
SAS doesn’t come around much anymore. Did you find your Winter quarters ?
New thread==>
New Post: Is Martin?s back good ? or just good enough?
MTU we continue the quest as prices continue to drop. Off to Palm Desert in CA, in November, to look again. Looking forward to that visit although it will only be a week in duration.
Good to read that all is well with you. My neighbour Kate and I are enjoying a lovely respite from what has been a cold wet spring here. Hopefully we’ll have another WS in the bag by then.
MTU,
I’ve seen one….talk about an adrenline rush.
Most of you guys don’t have a clue about financial analysis. Who cares what they are worth??? I care what their cash flow is unless you’re suggesting that the Steinbrenners mortgage their ownership to fund payroll. They’re not making much money right now and loan repayment on the stadium don’t get charged against earnings. So they are SUBSTANTIALLY cash flow negative right now on the Yankee’s part of the equation by many tens of millions. The question is, how much does the YES network make in net profit on $400 million in revenue, and how much does 34% ownership of that stake mean in annual cash flow. Whatever the answer, I can tell you right now that they are no where near able to expand the current payroll recklessly.