yankeefeminista June 13th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Pruf, SI team may be almost as fun to watch as Charleston. We may also see Kuo there. Final roster won’t likely be up to the very last minute, but it is stacked!
Thanks, SoS . It’s a great story for Cal, given that the baseball program was slated to be cut after this season (decision since reversed after successful fundraising). The baseball coach cancelled practice the day the decision was announced back in September, but the players got together and decided to practice anyway and hung together and kept fighting.
Aaron Rodgers —> Cal Bear
Jason Kidd —-> Cal Bear
Not sure if there were any Cal Bears on the WS SF Giants team.
Meet Manny, who’s lived most everywhere,
From Monterrey to Trenton Square.
But Delin’s only seen the sight.
A guy can see from Brooklyn Heights —
What a crazy pair!
But they’re pitchers,
Promising prospects all the way.
One pair of matching aces,
Different as night and day.
Where Manny adores a change of pace,
The 12 to 6 curve, and 95 mph in yo face,
Our Delin loves to rock with heat,
A drop dead curve at your feet —
What a wild duet!
Still, they’re pitchers,
Promising prospects and you’ll find,
They pitch alike, they walk alike,
At times they even talk alike —
You can lose your mind,
When pitchers are two of a kind!
Erin,
Now if we can only find some up and coming actors to replace the aging ones. Percy Jackson actor might be one. The other guy from the facebook movie as well.
NSF,
Had no idea they were on the chopping block. Maybe this is the year of the Bears. My sons play for a pop warner team called the Bears. Who knew? Keep em coming!!
SoS June 13th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Erin,
Now if we can only find some up and coming actors to replace the aging ones. Percy Jackson actor might be one. The other guy from the facebook movie as well.
GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Sorry, but, never was a fan of “The Patty Duke Show”:
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At the time, the young Patty Duke certainly had a strange past already. Wasn’t she involved in the game show scandals earlier?
Dammit Nick!! Im a day late a dollar short. One was on the Golden team last year. Granted they started out 8-0, proceeded to lose in the playoffs. Story of my life. Time to make trade demands public if need be.
DocTodd June 13th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
I always got kick out of ‘a hotdog makes her lose control’…LOL
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You’ve given new meaning to that song…I’ll never hear it the same way again.
It’s really bad when “Damon has a better arm “than your back-up catcher.
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GB,
Never thought I would read words in a million years. I always thought everyone was stronger throwing left than Damon. Never understood why he never tried throwing right.
Speaking of Damon. I found out the other night that Damon Oppenheimer lives down the road from one of the families I babysit for.
also, since we are on the topic of Johnny Damon, they are giving away a “Heres Johnny” shirt at the Rays game on Friday and Im going Thankfully this isnt one of those lame under -14 only giveaways.
I think it was on the game blog yesterday that someone posted an interesting comment from Greg Maddux about holding runners on…sorry I can’t recall who…but it was that less than 20% of runners who steal second score, and that it was more important to concentrate on the hitter and get him out. (Sorry if I got that wrong in any way.)
Anyway, looked like Garcia totally ignored the runners and thus Martin didn’t even try. To me, that is interesting in that his behavior reinforced Garcia’s attitude. Perhaps for another pitcher that cared more, Martin would have tried to throw.
Lol Randy.
Maybe he can just hypnotize the runners before they get to first? If he can do it to all these female fans through a television set and to his own Manager. Im sure it wont take much effort.
DocTodd June 13th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
I heard the Montero for Wright trade proposal……these people must stay home and drink all day, then call Francesa….
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I always thought it was a frat house that had a contest for who could get on his show with the dumbest trades…
DocTodd June 13th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Could you imagine Nick Swisher, budding actor, being cast in the remake of True Grit?.Now that would have been downright hilarious?.
randy l. June 13th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
speaking of catchers, there is really no reason why a catcher can’t be left handed .
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Sure there is – if you have a left handed catcher who throws hard enough and accurately enough to nail a runner trying to steal 2nd you move him to the mound and convert him into a reliever.
randy l. June 13th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
speaking of catchers, there is really no reason why a catcher can’t be left handed .
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I believe Dale Long played some there…Mike Squires too IIRC..
BoJo June 13th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Sorry, but, never was a fan of “The Patty Duke Show”:
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At the time, the young Patty Duke certainly had a strange past already. Wasn’t she involved in the game show scandals earlier?
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No, that was john Turturro. Duke was never involved in game shows
BoJo June 13th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
DocTodd June 13th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
I heard the Montero for Wright trade proposal……these people must stay home and drink all day, then call Francesa….
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I always thought it was a frat house that had a contest for who could get on his show with the dumbest trades…
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I do enjoy how people call up and suggest that a team in contention should give up one of their best pitchers for Jesus Montero because he’s a top prospect.
No, that was john Turturro. Duke was never involved in game shows
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LOL. Good movie. And now that you remind me, that is where I beleive I heard about it.
Sooo, I just looked it up. She actually was on $64,000 question and won–later had to testify in court that it was rigged.
Had a tough life growing up. Scum bag managers took advantage of her, and messed up her head. Not a happy life apparently.
I believe Montero is overvalued by many on this board. While he is a good hitting propspect, he is a questionable catcher. He has value, but to say only a few pitchers and players in the majors have as much trade value is just being an excessive homer. Just because he is a Yankee prospect doesn’t make him a future hall of famer. If he were a Red Sox prospect, just think of the criticisms he would get on this board.
austinmac June 13th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
I believe Montero is overvalued by many on this board. While he is a good hitting propspect, he is a questionable catcher. He has value, but to say only a few pitchers and players in the majors have as much trade value is just being an excessive homer. Just because he is a Yankee prospect doesn’t make him a future hall of famer. If he were a Red Sox prospect, just think of the criticisms he would get on this board.
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I believe lots of prospects are overvalued on this board. People fall in love with the promise of what they “can be” if everything goes right. Never stopping to think about what happens if everything doesn’t go right – which is more the norm than the exception.
I believe Montero is overvalued by many on this board. While he is a good hitting propspect, he is a questionable catcher. He has value, but to say only a few pitchers and players in the majors have as much trade value is just being an excessive homer. Just because he is a Yankee prospect doesn’t make him a future hall of famer. If he were a Red Sox prospect, just think of the criticisms he would get on this board.
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You are not properly understanding the value argument in regard to Montero.
It is not about who has equal value to Montero. It is who has equal value to the Yankees
The Yankees have so few holes on their team that there are just so many players in MLB that it doesn’t make sense to trade him for. It is also much easier for the Yankees to acquire depth than other teams because they can just spend $ on it and overpay for it. Upside has more value to the Yankees than a typical team.
There is also a lack of relative value compared to Montero’s peers. No one would trade a montero like prospect for the kind of players bandied about on this board.
The White sox already have a young catcher, a Dh and a 1st baseman. Tyler Flowers is the catcher of the future. Where’s Nunez going to play? Will they bench Ramirez or Beckham?
BloggingBombers Girardi still won’t announce a starter for Thursday. Noesi appears to be the logical choice but Girardi won’t hesitate to use him in relief.
MTU,
I was looking for you the other day. I wanted to relay what I read the other day that might interest you. Your now able to hike nude in Germany!! Just make sure the weather isnt cold if you know what I mean. Let us know how it goes.
GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
The White sox already have a young catcher, a Dh and a 1st baseman. Tyler Flowers is the catcher of the future. Where’s Nunez going to play? Will they bench Ramirez or Beckham?
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Play Nunez at 3b.
I don’t know the Chicago prospects – if they have no need for Montero so be it.
Maybe Montero is overvalued……but there is a chance he isn’t being and that’s the thing with prospects……you just don’t know until they come up and you find out. You could say any prospect is overvalied when they are still in the minors…..I don’t want to find out that Montero is a.stud by him crushing the ball for another team.
GB,
Good news for you! A remake of Three Stooges is coming out in theatres soon.
Anyone else think Nunez should go to AAA to get more playing time for Pena. He doesnt seem to be flourishing in his backup role, offense has taken a hit. Needs more repetition. Pena is what he is. A backup with no future as a starter.
GB,
Maybe someone else besides Pena(veteran maybe via trade). I just dont want Nunez offense to take a permanent hit by sitting. Dont you think him being young can keep improving more on both o and d sides by getting reps in AAA?
I don’t have a problem with the TBA status Thursday.
Noesi is the logical choice, but if any of the starters fail to go deep in a game or if there is another extra inning game, then Noesi has to pitch.
If so, then someone else will have to start on Thursday.
Re: Phil Hughes.
Appears the news gets better and better. I wonder if he will be ready to give the Yankees about 6 innings at the big league level post All Star game
I don’t think Montero is being overvalued here. Baseball America, who insists Montero is likely destined to be a DH, rated him the #3 prospect in all of baseball. That’s how highly his bat is regarded.
Granted, Hughes and Joba were once rated the #2 and #3 prospects in baseball (for good reason though…they absolutely dominated MiLB) but I think most people are more comfortable with the Yankees breaking in a young hitter than a young pitcher.
It is extremely difficult and ultimately risky to peg the value of any player in baseball right.
There is significant uncertainty over whether or not the run scoring environment in the game is truly changing and whether it’s doing so on a long term basis rather than as a short term trend.
If you can’t specify the environment the game is going to be played in moving forward, then it’s very difficult to specify value. This is especially true for younger players.
But if we assume that in fact the run scoring environment is decreasing then it has profound effects on how a team should optimally construct itself and what players it should look to keep.
From what I’ve seen of the game over the past few seasons – players like Montero are only going to become more and more valuable due to the overall depression of run scoring.
It is extremely risky to trade this player right now.
Take a player like Mike Stanton – as good as he looked 2-3 years ago. He is even more valuable now then his top projections looked to be a few years ago (on another note – Stanton is one of the most outrageously talented players the game has seen in years).
It is very difficult to develop strategy and tactics in baseball right now. The Yankees should be very careful with how they use their resources.
LGY June 13th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Looking at the standings the teams that are falling out of contention don’t have the high end pitcher that the Yankees need.
If you’re talking about trades in general – you could be right.
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I was speaking more in general, but the high end pitching thing is not true.
It is simply a matter of if those teams would move their high end pitching. Twins, Angels, Oakland, Marlins, and Dodgers for example.
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Only one pitcher on Oakland I was a fan of and he’s hurt
Twins best pitcher is having a miserable year
Angels have no reason to part with Haren or Weaver
Same with the Marlins re: Johnson
Dodgers – there could be a match there: Maybe Kershaw for Montero and another prospect.
SoS June 13th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Gb,
Will we be including Melencen or Kennedy one day as prospects we let get away?
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I wrote this last week and I will repeat myself:
Kennedy is suited for the NL. I wish him all the success but I am certain that if
he were still wearing the pinstripes, Kennedy would not be enjoying success.
For my money, Nova, Noesi and possibly Garcia are >Kennedy
Liriano is having a miserable year but you want to trade Montero for Danks?
Every player in baseball is available at the right price. There will be players out there the Yankees can obtain from high end high risk guys like Liriano, to buy low candidates like a Ryan Dempster, high end guys like maybe Haren if you pay the right price, or safer middle of the rotation pitchers like Kuroda. It all comes down to what the Yanks will pay.
In regard to the Marlins I actually have Anibal in mind, not Johnson.
Regardless of league, he’s putting up tremendous numbers right now. He would easily be the #3 starter in this current rotation behind Sabathia and Colon, maybe even the number two.
His strikeout rate is very strong and outside of fastball velocity (of which isn’t all that bad) he has no weaknesses as a pitcher. The scary this is that his command should only continue to improve.
But I’m glad Kennedy has been so successful because it just goes to show that the Yankees prospects are worth something even if they come up and struggle in the Bronx.
You are correct. I do not understand your argument. It is unknown if he can catch successfully, and if he cannot, he is a 21 year old DH for the Yankees. There are many more beneficial players for whom I would trade him.
Don’t misunderstand, I have been excited about his offense, but to hear people say they would only trade him for Felix or Johnson is way too optimistic he will achieve success.
SoS June 13th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Erin,
Yes that her. She stole the show in Kick A. I think they should do a spin off about her character.
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she is really good. She was great in 500 Days of Summer too.
Russell, you had better not be damaging your back even further.
re-post
yankeefeminista June 13th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Pruf, SI team may be almost as fun to watch as Charleston. We may also see Kuo there. Final roster won’t likely be up to the very last minute, but it is stacked!
A balky backed backstop Martin behind the plate for Burnett is bound to be bad for business
*until*
The way his throws slice to the right, I suggest that he throw the ball into the shortstop hole and the ball should be right on target to the bag.
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Lol. Just to be safe, maybe he should aim at Alex and let nature take its place.
Thanks, SoS . It’s a great story for Cal, given that the baseball program was slated to be cut after this season (decision since reversed after successful fundraising). The baseball coach cancelled practice the day the decision was announced back in September, but the players got together and decided to practice anyway and hung together and kept fighting.
Aaron Rodgers —> Cal Bear
Jason Kidd —-> Cal Bear
Not sure if there were any Cal Bears on the WS SF Giants team.
Look at Jerkface using alliteration.
SoS, maybe the rotation of the Earth is what’s making Cervelli’s throws go off-target. slow down the rotation and the throws will be just about right.
REPOST
Meet Manny, who’s lived most everywhere,
From Monterrey to Trenton Square.
But Delin’s only seen the sight.
A guy can see from Brooklyn Heights —
What a crazy pair!
But they’re pitchers,
Promising prospects all the way.
One pair of matching aces,
Different as night and day.
Where Manny adores a change of pace,
The 12 to 6 curve, and 95 mph in yo face,
Our Delin loves to rock with heat,
A drop dead curve at your feet —
What a wild duet!
Still, they’re pitchers,
Promising prospects and you’ll find,
They pitch alike, they walk alike,
At times they even talk alike —
You can lose your mind,
When pitchers are two of a kind!
Erin,
Now if we can only find some up and coming actors to replace the aging ones. Percy Jackson actor might be one. The other guy from the facebook movie as well.
Cervelli should just throw the ball to 3rd when a runner tries to steal 2nd….that way the runner stops at 2nd…..
NSF,
Had no idea they were on the chopping block. Maybe this is the year of the Bears. My sons play for a pop warner team called the Bears. Who knew? Keep em coming!!
GB,
Maybe Cervelli should use the pitcher as the cutoff man. Damon used Manny. Why not?
Sorry, but, never was a fan of “The Patty Duke Show”:.
If they’re not Golden Bears, they’re pretty much worthless.
Sorry to be the one to tell you.
Good article on the BFFs
Jeter: immortality. Posada: farther from mortality. Together: friends. http://shar.es/Hjpv6
I think maybe Martin had the best idea. Just don’t bother to let Cervelli throw the ball at all.
Bojo,
Good stuff!!
Doc,
Spit my water out my nose.
SoS,
It’s really bad when Damon has a better arm than your back-up catcher.
SoS June 13th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Erin,
Now if we can only find some up and coming actors to replace the aging ones. Percy Jackson actor might be one. The other guy from the facebook movie as well.
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the other guy- Andrew Garfield? Love him!!
GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Sorry, but, never was a fan of “The Patty Duke Show”:
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At the time, the young Patty Duke certainly had a strange past already. Wasn’t she involved in the game show scandals earlier?
DocTodd June 13th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Cervelli should just throw the ball to 3rd when a runner tries to steal 2nd?.that way the runner stops at 2nd?..
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Dammit Nick!! Im a day late a dollar short. One was on the Golden team last year. Granted they started out 8-0, proceeded to lose in the playoffs. Story of my life. Time to make trade demands public if need be.
SoS June 13th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
GB,
Maybe Cervelli should use the pitcher as the cutoff man. Damon used Manny. Why not?
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LOL
Reminds me of when Cervelli nearly threw at Garcia who was ducking for his life.
I always got kick out of ‘a hotdog makes her lose control’…LOL
Cervelli needs to look at the baseball before he throws it.
No one can resist the eyes.
the other guy- Andrew Garfield? Love him!!
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Garfield The Cat is a better actor. James Garfield acted like a president, but, he had a short run.
Does anyone ever spend a good 2-3 hours listening to the FAN, particularly the caller questions?
I have today and I’m just astonished at some of the stupidity you hear.
Last caller: “What do you think about trading Montero for David Wright?”
DocTodd June 13th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
I always got kick out of ‘a hotdog makes her lose control’…LOL
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You’ve given new meaning to that song…I’ll never hear it the same way again.
It’s really bad when “Damon has a better arm “than your back-up catcher.
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GB,
Never thought I would read words in a million years. I always thought everyone was stronger throwing left than Damon. Never understood why he never tried throwing right.
Nick in SF June 13th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Cervelli needs to look at the baseball before he throws it.
No one can resist the eyes.
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I could see ‘a few Margaritas make her lose control’, but a hotdog?? Huh??
GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Garfield The Cat is a better actor. James Garfield acted like a president, but, he had a short run.
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LOL Oh, GB.
But I will say, Garfield is no slouch.
“Cervelli should just throw the ball to 3rd when a runner tries to steal 2nd….that way the runner stops at 2nd…..”
yes, but he might miss the third baseman.
he’s pretty quick for a catcher, better to just run there himself.
edit: should be-Garfield the cat
Garfield The Cat is a better actor.
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Everyone knows BIG boned actors are just for comedy. We need Odie like actors.
I heard the Montero for Wright trade proposal……these people must stay home and drink all day, then call Francesa….
Speaking of Damon. I found out the other night that Damon Oppenheimer lives down the road from one of the families I babysit for.
also, since we are on the topic of Johnny Damon, they are giving away a “Heres Johnny” shirt at the Rays game on Friday and Im going
Thankfully this isnt one of those lame under -14 only giveaways.
Could you imagine Nick Swisher, budding actor, being cast in the remake of True Grit….Now that would have been downright hilarious….
I think it was on the game blog yesterday that someone posted an interesting comment from Greg Maddux about holding runners on…sorry I can’t recall who…but it was that less than 20% of runners who steal second score, and that it was more important to concentrate on the hitter and get him out. (Sorry if I got that wrong in any way.)
Anyway, looked like Garcia totally ignored the runners and thus Martin didn’t even try. To me, that is interesting in that his behavior reinforced Garcia’s attitude. Perhaps for another pitcher that cared more, Martin would have tried to throw.
speaking of catchers, there is really no reason why a catcher can’t be left handed .
Lol Randy.
Maybe he can just hypnotize the runners before they get to first? If he can do it to all these female fans through a television set and to his own Manager. Im sure it wont take much effort.
DocTodd June 13th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
I heard the Montero for Wright trade proposal……these people must stay home and drink all day, then call Francesa….
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I always thought it was a frat house that had a contest for who could get on his show with the dumbest trades…
DocTodd June 13th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Could you imagine Nick Swisher, budding actor, being cast in the remake of True Grit?.Now that would have been downright hilarious?.
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That definitely would have been a must-see.
randy l. June 13th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
speaking of catchers, there is really no reason why a catcher can’t be left handed .
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Sure there is – if you have a left handed catcher who throws hard enough and accurately enough to nail a runner trying to steal 2nd you move him to the mound and convert him into a reliever.
randy l. June 13th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
speaking of catchers, there is really no reason why a catcher can’t be left handed .
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I believe Dale Long played some there…Mike Squires too IIRC..
BoJo June 13th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Sorry, but, never was a fan of “The Patty Duke Show”:
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At the time, the young Patty Duke certainly had a strange past already. Wasn’t she involved in the game show scandals earlier?
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No, that was john Turturro. Duke was never involved in game shows
I think Babe Ruth also started out as a catcher….
BoJo June 13th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
DocTodd June 13th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
I heard the Montero for Wright trade proposal……these people must stay home and drink all day, then call Francesa….
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I always thought it was a frat house that had a contest for who could get on his show with the dumbest trades…
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I do enjoy how people call up and suggest that a team in contention should give up one of their best pitchers for Jesus Montero because he’s a top prospect.
For you Randy–
http://www.baseball-fever.com/.....d-Catchers
No, that was john Turturro. Duke was never involved in game shows
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LOL. Good movie. And now that you remind me, that is where I beleive I heard about it.
Sooo, I just looked it up. She actually was on $64,000 question and won–later had to testify in court that it was rigged.
Had a tough life growing up. Scum bag managers took advantage of her, and messed up her head. Not a happy life apparently.
Back for game later–enjoy the afternoon folks!
I believe Montero is overvalued by many on this board. While he is a good hitting propspect, he is a questionable catcher. He has value, but to say only a few pitchers and players in the majors have as much trade value is just being an excessive homer. Just because he is a Yankee prospect doesn’t make him a future hall of famer. If he were a Red Sox prospect, just think of the criticisms he would get on this board.
I know Ruth was a pitcher, never heard he was a catcher???? Anybody know??
Didn’t know about Duke and $64,000? I figured she was way too young.
Doc–while he was growing up before being signed…check out that link for more…
Later!
GB–
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Duke
Interesting read. Sad story.
I was such a Bad A$$. I could pitch to himself. That and many other unmatched attributes makes me hands down the best to ever play the game.
Signed,
Sultan of Swat
a.k.a. SoS
I’ll read the P. Duke article, but, I always knew she had snakes in her head.
austinmac June 13th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
I believe Montero is overvalued by many on this board. While he is a good hitting propspect, he is a questionable catcher. He has value, but to say only a few pitchers and players in the majors have as much trade value is just being an excessive homer. Just because he is a Yankee prospect doesn’t make him a future hall of famer. If he were a Red Sox prospect, just think of the criticisms he would get on this board.
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I believe lots of prospects are overvalued on this board. People fall in love with the promise of what they “can be” if everything goes right. Never stopping to think about what happens if everything doesn’t go right – which is more the norm than the exception.
OK, sweep Indians then being swept in next Sux series, again.
Montero, Brackman, Phelps and Nunez to the White Sox for Quentin, Thornton and Danks?
And now, the fifth Stooge, Joe DeRita…..aka JTHC
SoS-
And all this time I thought you you were just puttin’ out a call for help.
Sorry Mr. Ruth.
swbyankeesTT National nightmare averted: Jesus Montero is in the lineup tonight for SWB.
I believe Montero is overvalued by many on this board. While he is a good hitting propspect, he is a questionable catcher. He has value, but to say only a few pitchers and players in the majors have as much trade value is just being an excessive homer. Just because he is a Yankee prospect doesn’t make him a future hall of famer. If he were a Red Sox prospect, just think of the criticisms he would get on this board.
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You are not properly understanding the value argument in regard to Montero.
It is not about who has equal value to Montero. It is who has equal value to the Yankees
The Yankees have so few holes on their team that there are just so many players in MLB that it doesn’t make sense to trade him for. It is also much easier for the Yankees to acquire depth than other teams because they can just spend $ on it and overpay for it. Upside has more value to the Yankees than a typical team.
There is also a lack of relative value compared to Montero’s peers. No one would trade a montero like prospect for the kind of players bandied about on this board.
The White sox already have a young catcher, a Dh and a 1st baseman. Tyler Flowers is the catcher of the future. Where’s Nunez going to play? Will they bench Ramirez or Beckham?
Looking at the standings, more and more teams seem to be falling out of contention.
I think there is going to be more action at the deadline than anticipated.
BloggingBombers Girardi still won’t announce a starter for Thursday. Noesi appears to be the logical choice but Girardi won’t hesitate to use him in relief.
Erin- well, praise the Lord……
MTU,
I was looking for you the other day. I wanted to relay what I read the other day that might interest you. Your now able to hike nude in Germany!! Just make sure the weather isnt cold if you know what I mean. Let us know how it goes.
GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
The White sox already have a young catcher, a Dh and a 1st baseman. Tyler Flowers is the catcher of the future. Where’s Nunez going to play? Will they bench Ramirez or Beckham?
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Play Nunez at 3b.
I don’t know the Chicago prospects – if they have no need for Montero so be it.
I don’t believe the Yankees put any prospect into the “Untouchable” category.
Only fans do.
Cashman has said as much in the past.
I’m paraphrasing here but something like, ” For the right player no prospect is untouchable”.
So far Montero has only been offered for elite pitching.
Austin-
I agree with you in the sense that we really do not know how the Yankees view Montero’s prospects to remain a catcher.
The company line is that he sticks. What they really think we will probably never know.
Maybe Montero is overvalued……but there is a chance he isn’t being and that’s the thing with prospects……you just don’t know until they come up and you find out. You could say any prospect is overvalied when they are still in the minors…..I don’t want to find out that Montero is a.stud by him crushing the ball for another team.
LGY June 13th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
Looking at the standings, more and more teams seem to be falling out of contention.
I think there is going to be more action at the deadline than anticipated.
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Looking at the standings the teams that are falling out of contention don’t have the high end pitcher that the Yankees need.
If you’re talking about trades in general – you could be right.
Morel is their 3rd baseman. That’s ok. Keep trying. Maybe you can find a team in Korea to trade with.
GB,
Good news for you! A remake of Three Stooges is coming out in theatres soon.
Anyone else think Nunez should go to AAA to get more playing time for Pena. He doesnt seem to be flourishing in his backup role, offense has taken a hit. Needs more repetition. Pena is what he is. A backup with no future as a starter.
Looking at the standings the teams that are falling out of contention don’t have the high end pitcher that the Yankees need.
If you’re talking about trades in general – you could be right.
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I was speaking more in general, but the high end pitching thing is not true.
It is simply a matter of if those teams would move their high end pitching. Twins, Angels, Oakland, Marlins, and Dodgers for example.
Biggest prospect we ever gave away?
Lowell?
Leiter?
Red Sox? Bagwell?
Not fond of Pena. Nunez can do more and his defense has been cleaned up a little since april’s mess.
After seeing Mauer breakdown behind the plate. Do we still want a possible middle of the order hitter catching? Rightfield anyone?
SoS-
Funny you should say that.
We have ‘em right here in Utah.
A couple of my Hiking friends were tellin’ me just last week how they ran across one.
Apparently the person thought they were alone.
Took off for the hills like a jack rabbit when sighted.
My friends said at first they though it was someone with a “Tan” outfit and then they realized what they really had seen.
With all the rock and Cactus out here that has to be one dangerous undertaking.
Too funny.
Another give-away….Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps
randy l. June 13th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
speaking of catchers, there is really no reason why a catcher can’t be left handed.
True! Babe Ruth could have been the best Catcher ever!
BTW Nick!
How about “Moon Rivera”
BryanHoch #Yankees injury updates: Chavez still hasn’t run but is hitting in cages; Feliciano and Marte playing catch, Soriano could play catch soon.
GB,
Maybe someone else besides Pena(veteran maybe via trade). I just dont want Nunez offense to take a permanent hit by sitting. Dont you think him being young can keep improving more on both o and d sides by getting reps in AAA?
BryanHoch Phil Hughes will throw in extended Spring Training tomorrow, expected to be about 45 pitches. Gulf Coast League doesn’t start til 6/20
G-C June 13th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Does anyone ever spend a good 2-3 hours listening to the FAN, particularly the caller questions?
I have today and I’m just astonished at some of the stupidity you hear.
Last caller: “What do you think about trading Montero for David Wright?”
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What about this one from this morning? Beltran for Swisher, Gardner and Nova.
Another give-away?.Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps
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his baseball people kept telling him Ken Phelps, Ken Phelps
Hated losing a young Doug Drabek, but, Rick Rhoden was a good pick-up at the time.
I don’t have a problem with the TBA status Thursday.
Noesi is the logical choice, but if any of the starters fail to go deep in a game or if there is another extra inning game, then Noesi has to pitch.
If so, then someone else will have to start on Thursday.
Re: Phil Hughes.
Appears the news gets better and better. I wonder if he will be ready to give the Yankees about 6 innings at the big league level post All Star game
MTU,
I guess hiding naked behind a cactus only works on the road runner show.
I don’t think Montero is being overvalued here. Baseball America, who insists Montero is likely destined to be a DH, rated him the #3 prospect in all of baseball. That’s how highly his bat is regarded.
Granted, Hughes and Joba were once rated the #2 and #3 prospects in baseball (for good reason though…they absolutely dominated MiLB) but I think most people are more comfortable with the Yankees breaking in a young hitter than a young pitcher.
If we’re overvaluing Montero then so is Cashman.
RayVT June 13th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
BTW Nick!
How about “Moon Rivera”
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“When i Was 64″ by Mo Rivera
or
“Norwegian Kerry Wood”.
It is extremely difficult and ultimately risky to peg the value of any player in baseball right.
There is significant uncertainty over whether or not the run scoring environment in the game is truly changing and whether it’s doing so on a long term basis rather than as a short term trend.
If you can’t specify the environment the game is going to be played in moving forward, then it’s very difficult to specify value. This is especially true for younger players.
But if we assume that in fact the run scoring environment is decreasing then it has profound effects on how a team should optimally construct itself and what players it should look to keep.
From what I’ve seen of the game over the past few seasons – players like Montero are only going to become more and more valuable due to the overall depression of run scoring.
It is extremely risky to trade this player right now.
Take a player like Mike Stanton – as good as he looked 2-3 years ago. He is even more valuable now then his top projections looked to be a few years ago (on another note – Stanton is one of the most outrageously talented players the game has seen in years).
It is very difficult to develop strategy and tactics in baseball right now. The Yankees should be very careful with how they use their resources.
GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Hated losing a young Doug Drabek, but, Rick Rhoden was a good pick-up at the time.
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And Rhoden could hit, too.
Gb,
Will we be including Melencen or Kennedy one day as prospects we let get away?
LGY June 13th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Looking at the standings the teams that are falling out of contention don’t have the high end pitcher that the Yankees need.
If you’re talking about trades in general – you could be right.
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I was speaking more in general, but the high end pitching thing is not true.
It is simply a matter of if those teams would move their high end pitching. Twins, Angels, Oakland, Marlins, and Dodgers for example.
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Only one pitcher on Oakland I was a fan of and he’s hurt
Twins best pitcher is having a miserable year
Angels have no reason to part with Haren or Weaver
Same with the Marlins re: Johnson
Dodgers – there could be a match there: Maybe Kershaw for Montero and another prospect.
GreenBeret7 June 13th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
?gWhen i Was 64?? by Mo Rivera
or
?gNorwegian Kerry Wood?h.
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Nice, GB.
SoS June 13th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Gb,
Will we be including Melencen or Kennedy one day as prospects we let get away?
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No.
Kennedy is a National League pitcher – he was a bad fit for the AL East.
Melancon is a fungible reliever.
WTP-
Yes.
IMO He’ll have a positive impact for the team in 2nd half.
“Moon Rivera” is good, but not a Beatles song. How about “The Save King”?
Also, just to be clear, I was just posting that list from the “It Is High…” blog, I didn’t write any of those.
But I’ll take the blame for these songs McCartney will dedicate to the Red Sox:
I Want Youk (He’s So Ugly)
You Never Give Me Your Papi
Mean Mr. Beckett
All You Need Is A Stolen Laptop
Got To Get Paps Out Of My Life
SoS June 13th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Gb,
Will we be including Melencen or Kennedy one day as prospects we let get away?
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I wrote this last week and I will repeat myself:
Kennedy is suited for the NL. I wish him all the success but I am certain that if
he were still wearing the pinstripes, Kennedy would not be enjoying success.
For my money, Nova, Noesi and possibly Garcia are >Kennedy
Well, well…. CB…… hi.
Nick-
Chip,
Liriano is having a miserable year but you want to trade Montero for Danks?
Every player in baseball is available at the right price. There will be players out there the Yankees can obtain from high end high risk guys like Liriano, to buy low candidates like a Ryan Dempster, high end guys like maybe Haren if you pay the right price, or safer middle of the rotation pitchers like Kuroda. It all comes down to what the Yanks will pay.
In regard to the Marlins I actually have Anibal in mind, not Johnson.
Fred McGriff. Dude hit 490+ home runs.
He never hets mentioned as a prospect who got away…
Nova is not anywhere near > Kennedy.
That’s ridiculous WTP.
Regardless of league, he’s putting up tremendous numbers right now. He would easily be the #3 starter in this current rotation behind Sabathia and Colon, maybe even the number two.
His strikeout rate is very strong and outside of fastball velocity (of which isn’t all that bad) he has no weaknesses as a pitcher. The scary this is that his command should only continue to improve.
New Post w/pregame notes
Would you trade Montero and Cano for Kershaw or Felix?
Hi Joe. Hope your well. Glad to hear from you.
I feel like there’s a great deal of uncertainty around the organization right now. Hopefully they make the right choices moving forward.
But I’m glad Kennedy has been so successful because it just goes to show that the Yankees prospects are worth something even if they come up and struggle in the Bronx.
The Core Four sing: “Grow Old With Me”
brett gardner sings “Slippin” And slidin’”
“Fool On The Hill” to Carlos Silva
LGY,
You are correct. I do not understand your argument. It is unknown if he can catch successfully, and if he cannot, he is a 21 year old DH for the Yankees. There are many more beneficial players for whom I would trade him.
Don’t misunderstand, I have been excited about his offense, but to hear people say they would only trade him for Felix or Johnson is way too optimistic he will achieve success.