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Pitching matchups vs. Rangers

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 14, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tonight
LHP CC Sabathia (7-4, 3.15)
vs.
RHP Alexi Ogando (7-0, 2.10)
7:05 p.m., MY9

Wednesday
RHP Ivan Nova (5-4, 4.30)
vs.
LHP Derek Holland (5-1, 4.41)
7:05 p.m., YES Network / ESPN

Thursday
TBA
vs.
LHP C.J. Wilson (7-3, 3.09)
1:05 p.m., YES Network / MLB Network

 
 

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299 Responses to “Pitching matchups vs. Rangers”

  1. JoeyVegas June 14th, 2011 at 11:54 am

    Any chance Thursday is Marquez?

  2. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Thursday is Noesi unless we need him in long relief tonight.

  3. blake June 14th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    I like TBA’s chances Thursday.

  4. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    that is just my guess though

  5. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    More importantly, who’s catching?

  6. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Repost:

    blake

    I was just playing off of LGY’s Cano for Weaver proposal, wrongly thinking that Weaver was a free agent to be as well, and that if they were trading Cano for one, then I’d prefer the position player.

    I don’t think they would sign Reyes because of Jeter’s presence. Moving Cano opens a spot so that Jeter can play SS for one more year.

  7. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    Hughes was consistently 91-93. I guess that beats consistently 87-89..

  8. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 11:57 am

    YankeesWFAN Phil Hughes threw 49 pitches in rehab start today in Tampa, FB 91-93mph consistently. Good first outing. Will pitch at Staten Island Sunday.

    YankeesWFAN If Hughes progresses at normal pitch counts with no setbacks, I could see him back with Yanks around July 4th (not official).

  9. willwill June 14th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Yankees pulled Phelps last night.it’s him thursday

  10. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 11:58 am

    I would guess that Hughes either had severe inflammation of the shoulder tendon or a very slight tear. MRI can’t distinguish between the two, and it makes sense based on what we are seeing to this point.

  11. blake June 14th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Rich,

    Cano has been a better player over the last 3 years than Reyes has…..he may be a better player by the end of this year again.

    I’ve said several times I think the Yankees should consider Reyes this winter if he makes it to free agency….we don’t know what will happen between now and then.

  12. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    re-post

    yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 11:55 am
    Reyes wouldn’t replace Cano’s SLG, and Reyes is normally around a 100 OPS+; this year’s production isn’t Reyes’ norm. You cannot take Cano’s young and lethal bat out of this lineup without replacing it.

    No to trading Manny B. or Betances for Weaver.

    Cano going opposite field lately is good news.

  13. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    SI_JonHeyman #yankees giving strong consideration to dl-ing jeter. Team concerned about being short in nl parks
    ___

    How bout DL for Jeter AND Martin?
    Dont want to be short even one player…

  14. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    YankeesWFAN If Jeter lands on DL it will be first time since 2003 shoulder injuryRT @SI_JonHeyman: yankees giving strong consideration to dl-ing jeter.

  15. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Huuuuuuughes!

  16. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    blake

    I know, it would be a tough deal to make, you would probably want more than Reyes, even if he was extended. It’s not like I’d definitely pull the trigger. OTOH, Cano’s 2010 season may be an anomaly.

  17. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Yes, definitely sounds like Noesi pitches Thursday unless he is used out of the pen the next two games. If so, sounds like Phelps based on his being pulled from his last start.

  18. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    Great news on Hughes. That’s a start.

  19. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    The Yankees are strongly considering DLing Jeter? Whoa, Heyman is right on top of it.

  20. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    No to trading Manny B. or Betances for Weaver.

    ——

    Weaver is maybe the best pitcher in the AL.

    Gotta give to get.

  21. pat June 14th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    “More importantly, who’s catching?”

    Because EVERYONE knows catching wins championships.

  22. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Rich,

    Reyes first 2 months of this season may be an anomaly ….Cano is better than he’s played.
    …its all approach.

  23. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Cano’s 2010 season may be an anomaly.
    ____

    He hit .340 in 2006 no? or 2007? One of those years.
    More likely he will be a .300 hitter around 25 homeruns and 100 rbis. each year and that is great.

    More likely the .270 is an anomoly.

  24. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    “Because EVERYONE knows catching wins championships.”

    I would love to have a WS in June. Much better weather. :)

  25. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    pat June 14th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
    ?More importantly, who’s catching??

    Because EVERYONE knows catching wins championships.

    ****************

    :D

  26. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    LGY, I would rather have a lefty if I am trading for a pitcher; plus I am not giving up 6 to 10 years age-wise for Weaver.

  27. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Weaver isn’t as good as several pitchers in the AL…..

  28. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    I would rather trade a lot less for Liriano than a lot more for Weaver if it were possible.

  29. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    I would rather trade a lot less for Liriano than a lot more for Weaver if it were possible.

    ___

    Agreed.

    If nothing else, Liriano is a lefty.

  30. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    ac1, Cano’s a .307 career hitter.

  31. Mell June 14th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Weaver isn’t as good as several pitchers in the AL…..

    ==================================

    True. Probably still can’t get him w/o parting with one of the high end guys though.

  32. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Blake, agree about trading less for Liriano vs. more for Weaver. Lefty factor cannot be underrated.

  33. Chip June 14th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Yanks should just take Carlos Zambrano with them when they leave Chicago.

    Zambrano, Marshall and Soriano (I know he’s on the DL) for Swisher and Logan.

  34. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    ac1, Cano’s a .307 career hitter.

    __

    Exactly my point.
    Last year was not an anomoly.
    the bad year was….

  35. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    ac1

    I’m looking at plate discipline, which is a better barometer than pure AVG of his career path going forward.

    So if you look at ISO D:

    2005: .023
    2006: .O23
    2007: .047
    2008: .O34
    2009: .032
    2010: .062
    2011: .042

    So that’s why 2010 is an anomaly.

  36. Shame Spencer June 14th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Fantastic news for Hughes. Hopefully its a sign of good things to come. I’ve now moved off the fence onto the lawn of cautious optimism.

  37. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Rich, isn’t his average more important than his plate discipline?
    I realize they should go together, but if Cano hits .300/25/100, who cares?

  38. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Fantastic news for Hughes. Hopefully its a sign of good things to come. I’ve now moved off the fence onto the lawn of cautious optimism.

    ____

    At least you are far away from the bridge, which is getting crowded.

  39. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    We don’t even know if Liriano can stay on the field, and the Twins aren’t out of the division race.

  40. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    & this year is an anomaly for Reyes.

  41. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Agreed, I think the Yanks ideally need two lefties…..one for the rotation and one for the pen.

  42. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    ac1

    I don’t think so because I think without improved plate discipline, his aging curve becomes harder to predict.

  43. Shame Spencer June 14th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    “Zambrano, Marshall and Soriano (I know he’s on the DL) for Swisher and Logan.”

    I’d be so excited if they did this deal, Chip.

    1) I love Alf, 2) I hate Boone “Mike Myers reboot” Logan, and 3) I love the idea of our starting pitchers all weighing at least 250 lbs.

  44. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    RiverAveBlues It sounds like Hughes will go about 65 pitches on Sunday after striking out 6 in 3.2 IP today.

  45. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Rich, i take stock in the fact that he was capable of discipline last year, so we know he CAN do it.
    Cano has just overall been a little funky this year.
    Swinging at everything and at times, really bad fielding issues.
    I think this is just one of those things and he will be himself by the end of the year.

  46. Mike Ri June 14th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    Zambrano, Marshall and Soriano (I know he’s on the DL) for Swisher and Logan.?
    —-

    Nice trade idea. .i’d do that in a second !

  47. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    At least if you trade B prospects for Liriano, he is more worth the risk. Liriano’s 2010 lefty splits were ridiculous. His K/rates were around 11, and his BB rates were around 0.8.

  48. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    The Twins are pretty much out…..they aren’t 9 games better than the Tigers. They aren’t climbing over both the Tigers and White Sox. Now whether or not they throw in the towel……I don’t know…..but it wound take a historic effort for then to win that division. Liriano may get hurt…….but that’s why he should be cheaper.

  49. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Zambrano: 11:$17.875M, 12:$18M, 13:$19.25M vesting player option
    Marshall: 11:$1.6M, 12:$3.1M
    Soriano: 11-14:$18M annually

    I’m going to guess that someone isn’t an accountant.

  50. Mell June 14th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Zambrano, Marshall and Soriano (I know he’s on the DL) for Swisher and Logan.?
    ==============================

    They’d never let Marshall be part of this group of kumquats.

  51. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Zambrano, Marshall and Soriano (I know he’s on the DL) for Swisher and Logan.?
    —-

    Nice trade idea. .i’d do that in a second !

    ___

    Would he me taking on all of those two large contracts as well?

  52. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    ac1 Fine, but that’s what makes it anomalous.

  53. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    RiverAveBlues Bernie Williams is going to play the Legends & Celebrities Softball Game during the All Star Week in Phoenix next month. #fb

  54. Mike Ri June 14th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Zambrano, Marshall and Soriano (I know he’s on the DL) for Swisher and Logan.?
    —-

    Nice trade idea. .i’d do that in a second !

    ___

    Would he me taking on all of those two large contracts as well?


    didn’t realize the contracts were that much .

  55. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Cano would have much better AB’s if he had someone more formidable than Swisher protecting him. We may look back and consider this season to be the anomaly.

  56. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Chip,

    That’s a bunch of.money to take on….id like to get Marshall and let them keep the other 2.

  57. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    ac1 Fine, but that’s what makes it anomalous.

    ___

    OK, got your point.
    I am going to stick with the theory that as long as he hits .300 we can worry about a decline in production when he is 36 like Jeter.

  58. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    After listening to my mom and various friends who are Cubs fans complain about Zambrano for years, I wouldn’t want any part of him. But that’s just me. ;)

  59. Chip June 14th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
    Zambrano: 11:$17.875M, 12:$18M, 13:$19.25M vesting player option
    Marshall: 11:$1.6M, 12:$3.1M
    Soriano: 11-14:$18M annually

    I’m going to guess that someone isn’t an accountant.

    ———–

    Not only am I not an accountant but I don’t give a *bleep* about the Yankee “budget” since I don’t actually pay it.

  60. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    “Cano would have much better AB’s if he had someone more formidable than Swisher protecting him.”

    Right now, it should be Posada. I am really down on Girardi for so many reasons.

    Later.

  61. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    “Not only am I not an accountant but I don’t give a *bleep* about the Yankee “budget” since I don’t actually pay it.”

    Then screw it, Chip, make the freakin’ trade.

  62. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I think they should flip Cano and Granderson for awhile.

  63. hornblower June 14th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Is Martin going on the DL? Time for Montero to make a few starts.
    Trying to carry the bats of two corner outfielders with a combined 8 homers is not the way to continue.
    Yankee pitching has been ok so far but the offense is very spotty. An AL lineup with no .300 hitters and little speed can not make it.
    Martin has caught well but he is another DP waiting to happen. Actually, he would be the one to send to the NL for a pitcher. He is not a free agent and would bring a good arm. The rest of the trade talk is just the usual June and July Heymanism.

  64. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    I agree that Jorge should hit 6th now. He’s hot and he at least gives you professional ABs

  65. Against All Odds June 14th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    # yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    Cano would have much better AB’s if he had someone more formidable than Swisher protecting him. We may look back and consider this season to be the anomaly.

    ——————————————-

    Yep probably will and I’m sure we wouldn’t be surprised if Cano goes on a tear in the 2nd half.

  66. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Rich, yes, it should be Posada.

  67. Crawdaddy June 14th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    You don’t have to care about the Yankee budget, but those that do care about it, make these player acquisitions decisions not you.

  68. Chip June 14th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    Chip,

    That’s a bunch of.money to take on….id like to get Marshall and let them keep the other 2.

    ————-

    I’m sure you would – as would a lot of other teams. But there are three things to keep in mind:

    1. Girardi and Rothschild both know and have worked with Zambrano so bringing him in may not be a bad thing.

    2. To get a good LHP like Marshall you either have to give up a pretty good prospect or take back money

    3. The Yankees print money so I would rather bring in some bad contracts than give up a good prospect.

    Remember – the Twins had to give up a top catching prospect in Ramos to get a fungible closer in Capps…so if you want a good reliever be prepared for sticker shock.

  69. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    I think they should flip Cano and Granderson for awhile.

    __

    In theory yes.
    I’d only be concerned about doing anything to change Granderson, as he is excelling in that 2 spot.
    If he moves to 5, maybe he tries harder to hit homeruns, and screws up his swing?

    I dont disagree with the cano-granderson switch, but look at it from that side as well.

  70. Warning Track Power June 14th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Terrific news about Hughes. With all the injuries lately, finally there is a positive report regarding a Yankee player.

    Jeter has to be placed on the DL. The team can not afford to be short a player in the NL parks.
    Once again, this injury would be perfect for a 7 day DL in the majors.

  71. J. Alfred Prufrock June 14th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
    Cano’s 2010 season may be an anomaly.
    ____

    He hit .340 in 2006 no? or 2007? One of those years.
    More likely he will be a .300 hitter around 25 homeruns and 100 rbis. each year and that is great.

    More likely the .270 is an anomoly.
    ///

    No kidding on the .270 not being representative. Guy’s as talented a hitter as there is in baseball.
    ///

    Trading Cano? Let me give that some thought, ok, no.

  72. Chip June 14th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
    “Not only am I not an accountant but I don’t give a *bleep* about the Yankee “budget” since I don’t actually pay it.”

    Then screw it, Chip, make the freakin’ trade.

    ———

    That’s the spirit.

  73. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Chip,

    The Twins would undo that trade in a heartbeat if they could though.

  74. Hassey June 14th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    All like deck chairs on the Titanic
    No mojo = bridge year
    90-72

  75. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Weaver isn’t as good as several pitchers in the AL…..

    —–

    Who do you think is better?

  76. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    If we can straighten Brackman out–taking him out of the SP and putting him in the BP alone may do that–he is a viable candidate for our bullpen. Not sure that it is a good move for the player, but Yanks may do it based on need once Brackman re-accclimates to the pen. Plus he is on the 40-man.

  77. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    i think we already shot down trading cano for anyone not named Felix Hernandez.

  78. Chip June 14th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
    Chip,

    The Twins would undo that trade in a heartbeat if they could though.

    ———–

    I agree. I would much rather take back a bad contract than give up a good prospect in a trade whenever possible.

  79. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    Ac1,

    That’s the only thing….you hate to mess with Granderson……

  80. Shame Spencer June 14th, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    # blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    I think they should flip Cano and Granderson for awhile.

    ————–

    That could pay some serious dividends… someone get Uncle Joe on the line!

  81. G. Love June 14th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    I know it’s not fair to lump him in with his brother, but I wouldn’t touch Jered Weaver in a trade. As a free agent? Maybe. Trading assets for him? No way.

    Unless someone great becomes available I don’t see this team trading for starting pitching when it gets Hughes and Colon back shortly and will have to kick someone out of the rotation.

    We’re not getting Felix. Cashman has said the only thing he can pull off is a change of scenery type deal which means we’d be getting someone who is struggling with a large contract.

    While I know it feels correct to say this isn’t a championship rotation, what rotation besides Philly really is? Boston has question marks just like we do in the rotation. Their starting pitchers just get more respect in the media for obvious reasons.

    Trading for a back end starter is going to cost a fortune this year so you might as well tough it out.

    That said, if the market develops and some interesting names actually become available the Yankees should pounce.

    I feel like the more pressing need for this team is an OF’er who can actually hit the ball against RHP which we face more often than LHP.

    Swisher has been one of the biggest disappointments for this team. If he can only hit LHP he’s about as useful as Marcus Thames and looks to be playing defense just like Thames. That’s a role player/bench player. Not an everyday guy.

    I hope the Yankees find an OF’er to put him on the bench against RHP. As June turns to July the time for patience with him is ending.

    As for Montero, it keeps getting more and more obvious that Cashman is treating him like a paper prospect who he doesn’t want to expose at the big league level because he’s holding him in his pocket for a trade.

    If Martin hits the DL (and he should) and Montero isn’t promoted I’d feel confident in believing that Montero will never be a Yankee and will be dealt by the deadline.

  82. J. Alfred Prufrock June 14th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    At least if you trade B prospects for Liriano, he is more worth the risk. Liriano’s 2010 lefty splits were ridiculous. His K/rates were around 11, and his BB rates were around 0.8.
    ///

    B prospects, yes. Killer Bs, no ;) .

  83. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:25 pm

    f we can straighten Brackman out–taking him out of the SP and putting him in the BP alone may do that–he is a viable candidate for our bullpen. Not sure that it is a good move for the player, but Yanks may do it based on need once Brackman re-accclimates to the pen. Plus he is on the 40-man.

    ____

    Does anyone think Brackman will ever be a starter on this team?
    Not with Noesi/Nova/Hughes, Warren/Phelps/Mitchell, Manny/Dellin. and free agents.

    If he can help the pen, do it.

  84. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    “Who do you think is better?”

    If the question is….who is better in general and who I would rather have (and not just based on sabermetrics from this year) sabathia, lester, hernandez, price, anderson, verlander to name a few. Weaver is good…..but he’s too smoke and mirrors and deception for me and I don’t like his delivery…..not say he’s not good…..just saying I wouldn’t give up a ton to get him and certainly not Robbie Cano.

  85. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    ac1, it may take time, but if Brackman can start for us at some point, watch out. He has two FB and two CB’s, and the power variations of the FB and CB are pretty filthy. If he can only add an average 3rd pitch and repeat his delivery, he would be a terror. He will likely continue to be a project though. Yanks just have to decide how patient they want to be with him.

  86. Mell June 14th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Who do you think is better?

    ===================

    Verlander and Sabathia for sure. Price. Lester. Maybe even his teammate Haren.

  87. Mell June 14th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Does anyone think Brackman will ever be a starter on this team?

    ===================

    If his bullpen effort last night was any indication, one might wonder whether he’ll ever be a PITCHER on this team. After a terrific 2nd half last year, he’s seems to have taken a huge step backwards.

  88. J. Alfred Prufrock June 14th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
    i think we already shot down trading cano for anyone not named Felix Hernandez.
    ///

    Huh? I’m not trading Cano for Felix, either.

  89. BD (Boston Dave) June 14th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    “Who do you think is better?”

    ————-

    Casey Kelly?

  90. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Casey Kelly?

    ___

    Probably according to ESPN…

  91. RadioKev June 14th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Trading Cano is so 2008.

  92. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Casey Kelley is in the NL now though….even though clearly he’s better than everyone.

  93. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    J, i agree i think i was stating the consensus that Cano should not be traded.

  94. J. Alfred Prufrock June 14th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Trading Cano is so never, unless you’re completely lost.

  95. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Brackman will find it, and certainly out of the pen. Last night was his first BP outing and again it was a piggy back of Kontos when Brackman had been starting. The groin pull set him back. He’s only pitched 43 innings. If they choose to put him in the pen, I would expect him to do what he always does in the pen, minimize walks and see a bump in his velocity. Unless the groin is still bothering him…

  96. Yogi Mantle June 14th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    I could see Zambrano as a possibility. It would also give the Yankees another pitcher who wouldn’t be afraid to stick up for the guys when they get hit by pitches. Zambrano could use a change of scenery, and moving to a club that has the players that the Yankees have along with a different manager could have a positive affect on him.

    CC can’t be the only guy helping to quash the batters being hit. Zambrano seems like one who would be quick to retaliate.

    He might also help by calling out players not playing. Jorge used to do that role, but with his poor playing and reduced playing time, it’s not likely that he has the same impact as he used to have.

  97. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    I would target Liriano and Beltran. Those two guys are potential difference makers and shouldn’t cost top prospects …..if they do then pass.

  98. J. Alfred Prufrock June 14th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Yeah I am just protesting to the idea that OMG you do it for Felix & it’s assumed everyone agrees.

    You don’t. I don’t. I don’t trade Cano for anyone. That’s all.

  99. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    CC can’t be the only guy helping to quash the batters being hit. Zambrano seems like one who would be quick to retaliate.
    ___

    AJ has had no problem retaliating in the past.

  100. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Yeah I am just protesting to the idea that OMG you do it for Felix & it’s assumed everyone agrees.

    You don’t. I don’t. I don’t trade Cano for anyone. That’s all.

    ___

    I dont. How bout you read my posts.
    I said no trading cano, then sited many posts with reasons the last hour.

  101. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    sited = cited.

  102. Yogi Mantle June 14th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    I don’t see the Yankees trading Cano. They gave him a contract before they had to in order to get him locked in with them. I see Cano as part of a long term plan with the club. They can build around him as others age out.

    I know the last time that Cano was going through troubles like this there was some talk wondering if he had some ADD. There certainly seems to be times when his mind isn’t quite on the game. Of course, it could be that he found another party partner since Melky left.

  103. RadioKev June 14th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Yet again, only Yankee fans could be this ungrateful (to suggest trading Cano).

  104. J. Alfred Prufrock June 14th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Detroit is not giving us Verlander, but he would be my choice because he just throws gas with ease. How many times have you seen this guy chucking 97-98 in like the 7th & 8th inning? He’s a marvel.

  105. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Verlander and Sabathia for sure. Price. Lester. Maybe even his teammate Haren.

    ——-

    I don’t think any of those guys have a substantial case for being legitimately better right now.

    Better careers and track record with CC, Verlander, and

  106. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Verlander would make a great EIG.

  107. Yogi Mantle June 14th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    ac1, the trouble is AJ didn’t do a thing in the RS series. Yes, in the past AJ has given retaliation pitches, but when he is crapping the bed like he was in the RS series he wasn’t about to put on a runner for a message.

    I think CC would have regardless of the situation. It was past time. AJ should have, he didn’t.

  108. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Verlander and Sabathia for sure. Price. Lester. Maybe even his teammate Haren.

    ——-

    I don’t think any of those guys have a substantial case for being legitimately better right now.

    Better careers and track record with CC, Verlander, and Felix.

    But over the past 1.5 seasons he has arguably been the best in the AL. I definitely think he is better than Lester.

  109. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Yogi, in the RS series, AJ was too busy stinking it up and playing from behind to throw at anyone.

  110. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    It also seemed in the past that yankee pitchers that retaliated ended up with longer suspensions than other teams, but i may be wrong.

  111. Against All Odds June 14th, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    # blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Verlander would make a great EIG.

    ——————————————-

    Then he’d take over for Mo unless Mo does what he always does which is never retire

  112. Tom in N.J. June 14th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Greg Smith, LHP the Yankees signed yesterday off waivers from the Rockies, has held lefties to a .224 .278 .372 .651 batting line in his 2 years as a starter.

  113. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Weaver is the front runner for the CY right now.

  114. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
    Verlander would make a great EIG.
    _____
    And eventual replacement for Mo. ;)

  115. J. Alfred Prufrock June 14th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    Dude, it seems people have been trying to trade Cano since he got here. Even the Yanks tried to give him to Arizona. I had epic arguments with people at the Stadium and on boards for the last several years about Cano. It’s really disappointing listening to Yankee fans make embarrassing comments, like Pedroia is better. Had to listen to that crap for years. I’m afraid I don’t have much patience when it comes to that stick and that glove getting dissed by a bunch of blind mice in Yankee caps.

  116. Yogi Mantle June 14th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    # ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Yogi, in the RS series, AJ was too busy stinking it up and playing from behind to throw at anyone.
    ______________

    At that point though, wouldn’t it make sense to throw at someone and send the message? Part of that series was lost through the Yankee batters being hit while the RS batters felt like they were in easy chairs. Sometimes you have to lose a battle to win a war. Throwing at one of their key batters might have made a difference. At the very least it would have sent the message that even if the Yankees are behind they aren’t going to take the crap of their batters being hit. It might have prevented Bucket of Crap from hitting our batters.

    Lester wasn’t all that great in that game, yet he took the game by hitting batters. That set the tone for the whole series.

  117. G. Love June 14th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Brackman have some wonky contract that Boras got him that basically forces the Yankees to move quickly with him? Didn’t he get a major league deal at high money that is going to expire soon-ish?

    I think the Yankees have to do something with him soon because I think, and I might be wrong here, that he can become a free agent when the deal Boras got him expires.

  118. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Cano had 2 really nice ABs last night where he went to LF…..he needs to get back to that and use the whole field….the homers will come.

  119. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    I would take Lester (LHP!) over Weaver any day of the week.

  120. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    Jered Weaver’s past 324 innings

    48 GS, 2.77 ERA, 1.04 WHIP, 323 Ks, 79 BB.

  121. G. Love June 14th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    They’re not trading Cano. They have him locked in at reasonable dollars and he’s still one of the best 2b in the game.

    I wouldn’t trade Cano. Our offense is already compromised. Trading one of our young power bats who actually can hit .300 or better would be ludicrous.

    They might trade Swisher or Gardner though. I wouldn’t be surprised to see either of them go in a big deal.

  122. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    austinmac June 14th, 2011 at 10:44 am
    While my degree is not in medicine, like everyone else, I will express my medical opinion. Jorge’s cognitive testing last fall was reported to be significantly abnormal. That may or may not improve. If it has not returned to baseline normal, their is no way he can catch.

    Even if it has returned to normal all recent sturdies show the dramatic effect of recurrent concusssions. He should not catch, and the Yankees shold be praised for not letting him do so.
    ———————————-
    The Yankees will consider catching Jorge again when he stops calling Girardi Mr Torre.

  123. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    What’s Weaver’s numbers against teams that can actually hit?

  124. tyanksfan36 June 14th, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Darn all-star break. Hughes will make his rehab start for Staten Island. I was hoping he would do it down here.

  125. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Many of you who are calling for Montero to replace Cervelli are overlooking a key fact. Montero is obviously lacking something that Cervelli has–specifically the photos from Cody Ransom of Cashman and Girardi with the 12 year old bat boys.

  126. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    The 6th tool!

  127. Warning Track Power June 14th, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Montero will be up here soon enough.
    Not sure if he should be called up while Martin goes on the DL with back trouble.
    Why?
    Because Montero will more than likely be sent right back down when Martin is healthy.
    I firmly believe that when Montero is called up, he will never rejoin the minors.

  128. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    PhilHughes65 Good step today. Glad to be on the rebound.

  129. G. Love June 14th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Bojo,

    You forgot to add that Montero lacks Cervelli’s “dreamy eyes”. I believe the entire Yankees organization is under his spell. He has Medusa like qualities. He’s turned Girardi and Cashman’s brains into stone.

  130. bruceb June 14th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Rome burned while Nero fiddled. I know the market is flat as a pancake right now but if Cashman wants to keep the Yanks in the race for the AL East pennant – or even the wild card – he needs to act now. I’d love to see Zambrano on this team. I think he would provide a real spark, even if only for the short term. But if a deal could be done, it has to be done now, before the start of interleague play because this guy can hit. Unfortunately, with the Yanks playing the Cubs this weekend, I just can’t see it happening.

  131. J. Alfred Prufrock June 14th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    tyanks, where did you read this about Hughes? Is it Friday or Sunday? I read Sunday.

  132. blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Cervy has had the Girardi y added to his name…..he’s in the circle of trust.

  133. bruceb June 14th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    G. Love

    As for Montero, it keeps getting more and more obvious that Cashman is treating him like a paper prospect who he doesn’t want to expose at the big league level because he’s holding him in his pocket for a trade.

    Sure looks that way to me. His trade value took a knock in spring training when he didn’t hit. Imagine how much it will dip if he comes up to the bigs and bats .200?

  134. SoS June 14th, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    In 2008 it was Cano for Matt Kemp. Do you do that trade today?

  135. Mell June 14th, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    I’d love to see Zambrano on this team. I think he would provide a real spark, even if only for the short term

    ========================

    Problem is that after the short term spark is gone, he’ll still be here collecting $18.5M per season thru next year.

  136. J. Alfred Prufrock June 14th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Warning Track Power June 14th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
    Montero will be up here soon enough.
    Not sure if he should be called up while Martin goes on the DL with back trouble.
    Why?
    Because Montero will more than likely be sent right back down when Martin is healthy.
    I firmly believe that when Montero is called up, he will never rejoin the minors.
    ///

    Why send him down when Martin returns? Martin may be fragile like this all year. Have them split time more or less. Any way if he gets sent down it wouldn’t kill the kid.

    Mantle was sent back down in ’51 and it didn’t exactly break him.

  137. G. Love June 14th, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    We need a hero to cut off Cervelli’s head to kill the Kraken.

  138. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    In the question of corner OFers who would be a step up and might be available:

    Choo, Beltran. and Sizemore would be my short list.

  139. SoS June 14th, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    When was the last time we traded for a starting postision player mid season?

  140. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    When was the last time we traded for a starting postision player mid season?

    07? Berkman might count

  141. G. Love June 14th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    bruceb,

    This roster move will be very telling if Martin is DL’d and Montero remains at AAA. I think it actually devalues Montero if he’s not promoted this time since it sends a message to the rest of the baseball that the Yankees top prospect, a top 5 prospect in all of baseball, isn’t ready/good enough to fill in during an emergency.

    I really think the Yankees need to do something with Montero this season since keeping him down another full season at AAA suggests, at least to me, stagnation.

    You’re seeing top prospects all over the game getting their promotions. If Montero can’t come up and help when the starting catcher hits the DL it indicates that the organization doesn’t believe in his catching abilities which then devalues him as a prospect.

  142. Pat M. June 14th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    GB…..I just wanted to respond to your post from a a few threads ago about young catchers being brought up……In the history of baseball it’s very rare and seldom do GM’s make the mistake of bringing up a catcher of substance or a backstop that they view as being a keeper and cornerstone of their club too soon……Even the great Thurman Munson stayed longer in the Minors than many though he should have, and this was after a College degree……Just because the bat may seem to be ready all the other aspects to being a catcher has to be in place and Munson destroyed pitchers in the minors…….The one aspect everybody needs to keep an eye on is the strikeouts & Montero is whiffing at an alarming rate and this is against pitchers that make mistakes at a higher rate than they do in the bigs….At this point he’d be eatin alive……Let him have a solid month before calling him to the Bronx, because the results could set him back a year…….If Mantle & Mays had to go down at the same age because they came up too soon maybe we should be realistic about Montero…..That is if the Yanks really do view him as the clubs cornerstone for the future

  143. pat June 14th, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    wallacematthews source: Jeter “likely” to go on DL; story up soon on ESPNewYork.com

    Is “likely” > or < 50%?

  144. Mell June 14th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    SOS:

    Probably Abreu.

  145. G. Love June 14th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    SOS,

    Bobby Abreu.

  146. Tom in N.J. June 14th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Nady in ’08.

  147. tyanksfan36 June 14th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    J Alfred

    Both RAB and YankeesWFAN said on Twitter that he will go about 65 pitches on Sunday for SI

  148. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Montero will be here as soon as Girardi realizes he can call him Monty..So far, he has felt uncomfortable with Montero-y

  149. mick June 14th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    NEWS FLASH

    Jeter to get #3000 at CitiField vs the Mets after returning from DL.

  150. SoS June 14th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Maybe we can get Zambrano here to punch out Cervelli and put us out of our misery.

  151. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    tyanksfan36 June 14th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
    J Alfred

    Both RAB and YankeesWFAN said on Twitter that he will go about 65 pitches on Sunday for SI
    _____________
    Too bad his number isn’t 99

  152. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Nady in ’08.

    Good catch, I forget about Nady because he was so forgettable

  153. G. Love June 14th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    I think Girardi should call Montero “Jeezy” but that’s just me.

  154. upstate kate June 14th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    probably > 50% since the esteemed Jon Heyman said the same thing :)

  155. DocTodd June 14th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    Cervy = Crappy

  156. Betsy June 14th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    CJ Wilson is sure no fluke……..he was tough last year and he’s just as tough, if not tougher, this year.

  157. SoS June 14th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    I have to agree with Glove. If Montero isnt called up here soon. Hes trade bait.

  158. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    pat June 14th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
    wallacematthews source: Jeter ?likely? to go on DL; story up soon on ESPNewYork.com

    Is ?likely? > or < 50%?

    **********************
    Heyman and Matthews really have groundbreaking scoops, don't they? ;)

  159. Yogi Mantle June 14th, 2011 at 1:08 pm

    Girardi is already calling Montero Monty. Jeezy would be pretty funny though.

  160. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    G. Love June 14th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
    I think Girardi should call Montero ?Jeezy? but that?s just me.

    ****************************

    Yeah, that’s definitely just you. ;)

  161. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    Wally is on his game.
    Next headline: Joe Torre hired to replace Buck Showalter as manager of the New York Yankees.

  162. Yogi Mantle June 14th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    I am sensing that this board doesn’t feel all warm and fuzzy toward Cervelli. I could be wrong though. ;)

  163. Mike Ri June 14th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    FREE MONTERO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  164. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Brackman’s 4 year contract has expired. He is only making the minor leaguer minimum ($65,000?) He will make the major league minimum if he gets call up.

  165. J. Alfred Prufrock June 14th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    tyanksfan36 June 14th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
    J Alfred

    Both RAB and YankeesWFAN said on Twitter that he will go about 65 pitches on Sunday for SI
    ////

    Thanks, young lady!

  166. Betsy June 14th, 2011 at 1:11 pm

    I’m crossing my fingers that Phil will stay healthy – so far, so good.

  167. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Yogi Mantle June 14th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
    I am sensing that this board doesn?t feel all warm and fuzzy toward Cervelli. I could be wrong though.

    **********************

    Confession: I still like Cervelli. ;)

  168. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    Brackman’s 4 year contract has expired. He is only making the minor leaguer minimum ($65,000?) He will make the major league minimum if he gets call up.

    He will lose his last option next year though.

  169. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    tyanks, thanks for the heads up. I immediately purchased tickets for the Hughes game. :) Sorry you didn’t get to see a start down there. :(

  170. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    JF, correct about Brackman’s option.

  171. Pat M. June 14th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    G. Love….Good post

  172. mick June 14th, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    Way to be positive Betsy. (no sarcasm intended)

  173. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Erin, I like Cervelli too. I wish he were a better catcher.

  174. Betsy June 14th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Weaver is terrific, but no way I take him over Lester; I have tremendous respect for Lester – he’s just so good.

    As to Cano/Felix, I said it was a big fat no-go for me prior to the season, but this disappointing season has caused me to reconsider. It’s not like he’s 23 and while he’s not old, by now he should have worked out of his inconsistencies and become the player Alex told him he could.

  175. Tom in N.J. June 14th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    “I think Girardi should call Montero ‘Jeezy’ but that?s just me.”

    Only if he keeps the soft-J. Heezy

    Sterling: Montero has gone off the Heezy!

    Waldman: Word!

  176. bruceb June 14th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    G. Love

    Hate to find someone I actually agree with on this blog but re Montero, those are all valid points. If he actually is the real deal, he should be playing now.

  177. G. Love June 14th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Erin,

    Clearly your under Cervelli’s dreamy eyes power. This is worse than I thought. It’s spreading.

  178. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    Pat M,

    You watch a lot of Angels games.

    What do you think of Weaver?

  179. Betsy June 14th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    I don’t get why Martin hasn’t been DL’d…….

  180. Betsy June 14th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    It reached a new low with Nuney…….

  181. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    G. Love June 14th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
    Erin,

    Clearly your under Cervelli?s dreamy eyes power. This is worse than I thought. It?s spreading.

    ***************************
    yep, what can I say?? I’m powerless to resist the dreamy eyes. :)

  182. SoS June 14th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    If Brackman wasnt 8 feet tall, would we be giving him this much attention? Coming out of college he had an e.r.a. in the high 3′s. Are we so stuck on having him be the next Randy Johnson that we continue to give him the benefit of the doubt?

  183. Chip June 14th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    http://hardballtalk.nbcsports......lf-strain/

    Funniest article I’ve read in a long time.

  184. J. Alfred Prufrock June 14th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    blake June 14th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
    Cano had 2 really nice ABs last night where he went to LF…..he needs to get back to that and use the whole field….the homers will come.

    ///
    Even that unfortunate last out he made was ticketed for left.

  185. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Sterling: Montero has gone off the Heezy!

    ___

    I’m thinking more like, WHOA JESUS, you Monteroed the cover off the ball.

  186. upstate kate June 14th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    I like Cervelli as well. He worked so hard this off season, it is a shame he was injured.

  187. m June 14th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Lucky SI fans get to see Phil Hughes. Make sure you take your radar guns and post live velocity readings. ;)

    Seeing Thursday’s matchup, I feel much more comfortable with the prospect of sending Noesi out there. I understand he’s not fully stretched out and that his arm is worth protecting.

    But I’d rather get 5~6 of what he’s given us so far than who knows what could happen with a rookie on the mound against a pretty good offensive team.

  188. J. Alfred Prufrock June 14th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Not Jeezy, “Hazy”, as in “Hay-ZOOS” :) .

  189. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Though any call is better than, “You cannnnnnn put it on the boardddd YES……… YES.”, then cheering like you are at your first baseball game.

  190. J. Alfred Prufrock June 14th, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    m June 14th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
    Lucky SI fans get to see Phil Hughes. Make sure you take your radar guns and post live velocity readings.
    ///

    Nah just sit behind the guys who pack ‘em.

  191. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    m, I am unfortunately atypically not sitting by the radar guns. I will have to rely on others.

  192. tyanksfan36 June 14th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    If hughes had done his start tomorrow then I would have been able to go see him but of course today I had to work at 10.

  193. Benny Blanco June 14th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    That is great news for phil hughes. I’m happy for him.

  194. Mike Ri June 14th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Though any call is better than, ?You cannnnnnn put it on the boardddd YES??? YES.?, then cheering like you are at your first baseball game.

    ———————

    I like that call !!. and “he gone “

  195. Chip June 14th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Imagine if Joe Oliver had ever hit a HR as a Yankee:

    Sterling: Ollie Ollie Oxen Free…

  196. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    CJ Wilson is sure no fluke……..he was tough last year and he’s just as tough, if not tougher, this year.

    ——————

    CJ Wilson sucks.

  197. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
    Though any call is better than, ?You cannnnnnn put it on the boardddd YES??? YES.?, then cheering like you are at your first baseball game.

    ************************

    ugh. And don’t forget “he gone” #nightmare

  198. m June 14th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Who lives in New York and doesn’t carry a radar gun? :P

  199. austinmac June 14th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Weaver is a remarkable pitcher in that he doesn’t appear to have dominating stuff yet he dominates.

    I suppose the Weaver talk is as a result of the MLBTR report that the Angels might be sellers. Is their anything else to this discussion?

    To acquire him, the Yankees would have to give up one of the two good Bs or Montero plus others. For some reason, and perhaps the Jeff W. hangover, I would not want to give them up, but I think I would give up Montero at the end of the day.

    It is so good to express my opinion on another pitcher that probably has no chance of being traded. :)

  200. m June 14th, 2011 at 1:25 pm

    Ducksnort and can o’corn. Worse baseball phrases ever.

  201. Chip June 14th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Robbie Cano and Jesus Montero for Josh Johnson, Mike Stanton and Ricky Nolasco.

  202. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Betsy June 14th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
    It reached a new low with Nuney…….
    _____________
    It has prevented Cashman from signing Dallas Puskar.

  203. austinmac June 14th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    “It reached a new low with Nuny.”

    No Bojo comment to this?

  204. G-C June 14th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    If Phil’s up to 65 pitches by Sunday and looks good the Yankees have the opportunity to really expedite the process.

    You figure they would get him up to 80 by the start after that (around June 25th?), 95 by the start after that (sometime at the end of June). That would put him on track for a July 4th return to the majors, so that definitely sounds about right.

  205. mick June 14th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Any comments on why Jeter didn’t tag in the 1st inning last night?
    Very unJeter-like esp when the OF double pumped and never threw home.
    Big play in a 1-0 loss.

  206. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    m June 14th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
    Ducksnort and can o’corn. Worse baseball phrases ever.
    ___
    I’ll sometimes listen to Hawk just to get a luagh at how bad he is. Anyone here remember when he was doing Yankee games?

    At the end of the season, he commented: “They should just back up a van and get rid of all the players on this team.” Strangely, he was not asked back the next year.

  207. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    To acquire him, the Yankees would have to give up one of the two good Bs or Montero plus others. For some reason, and perhaps the Jeff W. hangover, I would not want to give them up, but I think I would give up Montero at the end of the day.

    ———————

    I would much rather trade Manny or Dellin than Montero for Weaver.

    Pitcher for pitcher. Top hitting prospects are always the safest proposition and keeping Montero allows them to improve their offense while Weaver improves the pitching.

  208. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Joelsherman1 Hear #Yankees are waiting to examine Jeter at Stadium today, but leaning toward DL, in part, with NL cities coming up need (cont)

    to have legit bench and if Jeter is limited at all, it hurts versatility without DH in play #Yankees

  209. Chip June 14th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Yankees get Mike Morse, Sean Burnett, Ty Clip, John Lannan for Logan, Phelps and another minor leaguer (Corban Joseph or of that ilk)

  210. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    austinmac June 14th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
    “It reached a new low with Nuny.”

    No Bojo comment to this?
    ___________
    You speak too soon oh barrister.

  211. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    It took me a while to find that name.

  212. Betsy June 14th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    I find it hard to agree with that, LGY, if not impossible. What else does he have to do? He was very good last year and has a 3.09 ERA this year.

  213. ac1 June 14th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    Joelsherman1 Hear #Yankees are waiting to examine Jeter at Stadium today, but leaning toward DL, in part, with NL cities coming up need (cont)

    to have legit bench and if Jeter is limited at all, it hurts versatility without DH in play #Yankees

    ___

    Also hurts to have Martin clogging up a spot as well.
    Had they DL’d him when it first happened he would be back next week.
    Now because of the few innings he played in 1 game, it starts all over.

  214. DocTodd June 14th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    m…..I hate Girardi using the word ‘scuffling’ when a guy is downright stinking up the joint..

  215. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    m, I have seriously considered buying a radar gun, but usual spy on the scouts. instead. I just now priced one similar to the ones my homeboys in Trenton use. I didn’t realize they are so pricey. http://www.stalkerradar.com/solotwo/solotwo.html

    Late birthday present???

  216. Benny Blanco June 14th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    Lets temper our enthusiasm about weaver. There’s always that slight chance that as soon as he put’s on a different uniform he goes from a prince to frog…I’m so sick of people killing the yankees then they stink when they are with us.

  217. Chip June 14th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    DL Jeter, DL Martin

    Move Sanit to the 60 Day DL

    Add Montero to the 40

    Call up Montero and Ramiro Pena (or Brandon Laird)

  218. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    *usually*

  219. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    YankeesInk My best guess: Yanks waiting till Girardi’s press conference to give word on Jeter more likely than not means DL & roster move announcement.

  220. Betsy June 14th, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    G-C, I don’t think they should expedite anything with Phil. They need to be as careful with him as possible – when he’s ready, he’s ready.

  221. Betsy June 14th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    I liked Harrelson, but what can I say? I was in my teens and didn’t know much. I always used to call Claudell Washington “Ducksnort” because of Hawk…….

  222. Pat M. June 14th, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    LGY…Weaver throws four swing and miss pitches…..He’s real good and will only grow into an Ace Pitcher…..If he were on a real good team he’d have 10 wins easily by now if not more….He’s going to get a massive contract in a few years

  223. Chip June 14th, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    and while Cash is at it – DFA Carlyle, add Flores to the 40, send down Logan and call Flores up.

  224. Chip June 14th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    By the way – I very much enjoy the suggestions of trading Francisco Cervelli.

    One minor question if I may?

    What market is out there for a defense first catcher who doesn’t…you know…play defense?

  225. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Boony is out of options

  226. m June 14th, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    DocTodd,

    That’s your mind playing tricks on you. You just hate the fact that players scuffle. ;)

    YF,

    haha. Do you hang out in sports bars with the guys? Have there ever been female scouts? I would think that scouts would be a pretty unwelcoming fraternity.

    “Hi, I’m yankeefeministascout.” :P

  227. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    I have to ask everyday “why the demand to give up prospects to acquire another pitcher?”

    CC and Colon are solid Cy Young type pitchers…Hughes may be solid at #3 (or we’ll know by trading deadline), and Aj or Nova or Noesi would be fine in a 4th play-off start.

    The big need on this club is offense that can score against tough pitching…offense that won’t go south for stretches, or choke in the big time…offense that will work counts to get to middle relief staff early.

    If ARod and Cano start hitting, and Jorge stays consistent, the only real hole I see is Swisher–who seems to choke in the play-offs. For that reason, I keep calling for Beltran or Choo.

  228. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 1:35 pm

    I find it hard to agree with that, LGY, if not impossible. What else does he have to do? He was very good last year and has a 3.09 ERA this year

    ——-

    I hate CJ Wilson so he sucks.

  229. Chip June 14th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
    Boony is out of options

    ———–

    So?

    Not sure some team is clamouring for a lefty specialist who can’t get out lefties. And if the Yankees lose him on waivers…oh darn. Sign Scott Kazmir to a minor league deal when the Angels release him. Or move Igawa to the pen…or teach my dog to throw a curveball…I see no net loss.

  230. Mell June 14th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    LGY:

    You made me look a little harder at Weaver. I think I’m sold. Numbers the last year and a 3rd are as good as anyone’s in the AL. Pat M’s commentary helps to cement it. As it concerns Weaver, I’m one of you.

  231. austinmac June 14th, 2011 at 1:37 pm

    Bojo,

    I should have known better. But, what’s wrong with the nickname Dally?

  232. Mell June 14th, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    I hate CJ Wilson so he sucks

    =====================

    Have to say that I found your Weaver arguments slightly more compelling.

  233. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Yay Mell!

    Let’s get the Weaver bandwagon going (so all of us can be disappointed at the trade deadline instead of just me) :)

  234. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    What is a “Ducksnort” anyway?

  235. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Not sure some team is clamouring for a lefty specialist who can’t get out lefties. And if the Yankees lose him on waivers…oh darn. Sign Scott Kazmir to a minor league deal when the Angels release him. Or move Igawa to the pen…or teach my dog to throw a curveball…I see no net loss.

    Just saying, you can’t send him to the minors easily, which means the Yankees will stick with him for probably too long. I agree that they shouldnt waste their time on a reliever that has failed to put it together more than he has put it together. Such a volatile commodity that unless the player is cost controlled / has options its not worth it.

    Of course they release him, he’ll go on to become Matt Thornton or something and everyone will why they released him

  236. upstate kate June 14th, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    LGY
    “I hate CJ Wilson so he sucks”????? How very unsaberlike of you :)

  237. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    m June 14th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
    DocTodd,

    That’s your mind playing tricks on you. You just hate the fact that players scuffle.

    YF,

    haha. Do you hang out in sports bars with the guys? Have there ever been female scouts? I would think that scouts would be a pretty unwelcoming fraternity.

    “Hi, I’m yankeefeministascout.”
    ________
    lol. I don’t hang out in sports bars, just in ballparks. The scouts are actually very cool and like to chat about players. It’s all good.

  238. m June 14th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Yeah, I think most teams would trade a pitcher for Cano. Except for your horses like Hernandez and Halladay. Otherwise, pitchers are riskier, and Cano is one of the top players at his position.

  239. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    austinmac June 14th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
    Bojo,

    I should have known better. But, what’s wrong with the nickname Dally?
    __________
    I’m trying to think of Girardi uses any first names in his nick-naming protocol….Robby (I guess)…

  240. DocTodd June 14th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Francessa’s callers are unreal….a guy just called up saying Jeter is faking his injury..LMAO

  241. Chip June 14th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    Weaver’s a top pitcher – no doubt. But why are the Angels trading him for Cano when they have Kendrick?

    I know Howie has been playing the OF of late but that’s more a product of Wells being on the DL and them having few other OF options than a reflection of how they feel about Kendrick at 2b.

  242. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Pruf? Anyone else going to see Hughes in Brooklyn?

  243. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    eboland11 This conspiracy theory saying Jeter may go to DL to assure he gets 3000 at home might be the stupidest thing I’ve heard in a long time

    wow-I can’t believe people are actually suggesting this. :roll:

  244. m June 14th, 2011 at 1:42 pm

    Phil Coke doing a postgame interview in the espnews loop. Didn’t see his body, but his face is quite slim. Looks like he’s doing quite well.

  245. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    BTW–I am going to the bank tomorrow. If anyone is sending repercussions that I can take with me, please make sure to FedX them overnight so they arrive in time. Thank you.

  246. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Erin, nothing surprises me when it comes to made up narratives about Jeter. :roll:

  247. mick June 14th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    eboland11 This conspiracy theory saying Jeter may go to DL to assure he gets 3000 at home might be the stupidest thing I’ve heard in a long time
    ==============
    getting it against the Mets is almost as good as getting it at home…

  248. m June 14th, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Anyone knows that Jeter would fight tooth and nail against a bogus DL stint. However, my first thought was that a trip to the DL would have one silver lining.

  249. SoS June 14th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Whats this Weaver trade about? Are the Angels putting him on the market or is this the second dream replacing Felix?

  250. Mell June 14th, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Whats this Weaver trade about? Are the Angels putting him on the market or is this the second dream replacing Felix?

    =========================

    Probably B

  251. DocTodd June 14th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Good article on CBS New York about demoting Cervelli…’If you were as bad at your job as Francisco Cervelli is at his,would you still have a job?’….5 errors in 16 games, and 13 in 90 games last year! Not to mention he can’t hit or bunt…The author also suggests that Cervi knows secrets about Cash and Girardi, as has been suggested on this board….Jeez, please get rid of this scrub!!

  252. SoS June 14th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    Cano for Kemp? Back in 08 this board was split about the idea. What about now?

  253. DocTodd June 14th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Jeter is hitting .179 with RISP….it’s not going to kill the season if he heads to the DL…

  254. SoS June 14th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Im sticking to my original prediction. Jeter gets his 3000th on the Boss’s bday and I want to add Hughes as the starting pitcher and winning pitcher of the game.

  255. m June 14th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    Who plays 2B if you trade Cano? IMO, easier to find a good OF than IF.

  256. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    mick June 14th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
    eboland11 This conspiracy theory saying Jeter may go to DL to assure he gets 3000 at home might be the stupidest thing I’ve heard in a long time
    ==============
    getting it against the Mets is almost as good as getting it at home…
    ___________
    Maybe better!

  257. m June 14th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    You know, our team is pretty good as it is. Meaning we have good players. Doesn’t mean we can’t upgrade the BUC and Jones.

  258. pat June 14th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    “Who lives in New York and doesn’t carry a radar gun?”

    Has Plaxico Burress taught you nothing?

  259. mick June 14th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Maybe better!
    ==========
    You know there will be more Yankee fans than Mets fans at the game.

  260. SoS June 14th, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    m,
    Posada started out as a second baseman.
    Nunez?
    I just wanted to see if people would pull the trigger now being that Kemp is lighting it up this year and is still very young.

  261. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    I do wish Cano would snap out of it. Last year was a career year, and I hoped it was the start of a new plateau of performance….but he has been a huge disappointment so far.

    I might even try to move him to #2 in order (behind Grandy while DJ is out) to get him started. Hit Po behind ARod.

  262. Shame Spencer June 14th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    eboland11 This conspiracy theory saying Jeter may go to DL to assure he gets 3000 at home might be the stupidest thing I’ve heard in a long time ….he must not come here often.

  263. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Kemp is only 2 years younger than Cano.

  264. m June 14th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    Okay, trade for Kemp. Just keep Cano.

    See, I’d rather spend prospects on a great OF than a pitcher. At least that player would be contributing on a daily basis.

  265. yankeefeminista June 14th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Shame, lol.

  266. mick June 14th, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    I might even try to move him to #2 in order (behind Grandy while DJ is out) to get him started. Hit Po behind ARod.
    ==================
    Grandy behind Arod would be the move. Gardy, Cano, Tex, Arod, Grandy,Posada,Swisher,Montero, Nunez.

  267. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Kemp would look pretty sweet in RF….expand the trade to include Davey Lopes!

  268. SoS June 14th, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    mel,
    A good trade has too hurt both parties. They wouldnt go for Cervelli and Jones straight up. Cano has to be included as a throw in.

  269. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    SoS June 14th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
    mel,
    A good trade has too hurt both parties.
    ___________
    Ok, we’ll cut a few toes off Cashman.

  270. BoJo June 14th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Be back later for the game…enjoy the afternoon folks!

  271. mick June 14th, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    With Martin headed for the DL why not bring up Montero for 2 weeks and see how he does?
    Is super 2 status still a consideration?

  272. Mell June 14th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Is super 2 status still a consideration?

    ==========================

    I don’t think it ever was.

  273. blake June 14th, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Mell,

    You’re for trading Cano and/or a big package for Weaver? Im for signing him as a free agent….but I wouldnt trade the farm for him or Robbie Cano. He’s a good pitcher…..his cross fire delivery and lack of true elite stuff would give me pause on a big contract though. He throws a lot of junk and relies a lot on deception and great command…..just not sure his he will age.

  274. mick June 14th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Is there any reason to not bring Montero up if Martin is DL’ed other than he’s not ready?

  275. m June 14th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    I agree, about the super 2 assessment. Montero was on his way to being on the Opening Day roster at one point.

  276. blake June 14th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Upton will be easier to get than Kemp in a couple of years…..

  277. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Is super 2 status still a consideration?

    Nope. They passed that last month. I’d consider trading Cano for Kemp. Cano has the potential to be a crazy elite player, but his aggressive lack of plate discipline is not one of my favorite traits in a hitter. Its ok for a young talented hitter to come up that way, but to not increase those skills is kind of ugh. Kemp has great power and would do pretty well in RF.

    They both have their ups and downs. It’d be a tough decision.

  278. m June 14th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    IMO the only reason to bring up Montero right now IS a DL stint for Martin.

  279. Mell June 14th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Blake:

    I didn’t say that.

  280. blake June 14th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    I also agree with G Love….if Montero starts hittingand he’s not brought up then I think you have to assume they are considering trading him…….and if so I really hope they know what they are doing.

  281. blake June 14th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Mell,

    Ok….I never said he wasn’t a good pitcher …..because he absolutely is.

  282. Warning Track Power June 14th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    the pitcher’s Texas is throwing at us are no joke. reminds me a little of the mariners series.

  283. mick June 14th, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    but his aggressive lack of plate discipline is not one of my favorite traits in a hitter.
    ===============================
    reminds me of alphonso soriano…..but replacing him at 2nd would be difficult, unless you got a Brian Roberts type, if there are any around.

  284. blake June 14th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Id rather have Cano and Kemp…..that’s what’ll make the Yankees better…..not trading them for each other.

  285. Warning Track Power June 14th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    blake-why does everything have to be a conspiracy? i don’t quite understand the logic.
    could it be something simple, i.e. The Yankees believe that Montero is not quite ready for the next step. i’ve read a few reports that describe Montero as immature. if that’s the case, that could be a factor and perhaps the Yankees want him to grow up some more.
    rushing the kid is just wrong. is there really a need to rush him?
    if he is called up, Yankees fans are going to refer to Montero as the savior-wow. that’s not a lot of pressure on a rookie.

  286. willwill June 14th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    FREE JESUS

    but we all know it will be molina

  287. mick June 14th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

    Montero in a slump at AAA is bogus.
    There has to be another reason for not bringing him up.
    The Montero Rules?

  288. blake June 14th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Soriano’s swing isn’t in the same ball park as Cano’s. Cano has a great swing….its all approach win him…..when he swings at the right pitches he’s an elite player…..when he doesn’t he’s merely the best 2b in baseball.

  289. Against All Odds June 14th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    willwill June 14th, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    FREE JESUS

    ——————————-

    Mike: Yankees say they haven’t been happy with him. He’s been slumping lately.

    If Jesus is slumping what is Cervelli doing

  290. Mell June 14th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Blake:

    I was merely coming around to LGY’s thoughts on Weaver as among the elite right now. The numbers bear that out. I think he’d be worthy of a high end prospect.

  291. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Id rather have Cano and Kemp…..that’s what’ll make the Yankees better…..not trading them for each other.

    Kemp could fill a middle order position, without plate discipline Cano is just a really nice 5 hole guy. I’d take both of them in a heart beat but a swap is intriguing. More intriguing than in the past.

  292. mick June 14th, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    if he is called up, Yankees fans are going to refer to Montero as the savior-wow. that’s not a lot of pressure on a rookie.
    ================
    you bat him 8th. no pressure there. when martin comes off the DL, send him down if need be.

  293. blake June 14th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Warning,

    Because most organizations would have had him in the big leagues last year……that’s just my feeling on it……I could be wrong.

  294. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    .when he doesn’t he’s merely the best 2b in baseball.

    I disagree. If he isn’t 2010 Cano then Utley is superior. But I can’t think of many guys better than Cano after that. Of course, Utley may be dead.

  295. SoS June 14th, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    W.T.P.,
    Montero will be looked at as the savior no matter when they bring him up. Unless its the last week of the year and we’ve clinched the division. Im sure he knows hes the top prospect in the organization and with that comes high expectations.
    Why do people think if hes brought up its just for 2 weeks? When Martin comes back I can go pack Cervy’s bags and call a taxi for him. BUC/DH for the remainder of 2011.

  296. mick June 14th, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Dropping Cano to 2nd would be a wakeup call. He would be forced to take more pitches and Gardy would be given the chance to run. Grandy is more suited for a power spot, up 5th.

  297. SoS June 14th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    Jerkface,
    Im with you bro. Imagine Kemp surrounded by a Yankee lineup?

  298. mick June 14th, 2011 at 2:19 pm

    NEXT=====>>

  299. hardwired7 June 16th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    test

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