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Yankees postgame: More Jeter

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jun 14, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Derek Jeter coming out of a game? Mark Teixeira knew it wasn’t good.

“You hate to see it, especially Derek,” Teixeira said after the Yankees lost 1-0 to close this Cleveland series. “He’s not one to come out of the game unless it’s something serious.”

Just six hits short of 3,000, just three games left on the homestand. Joe Girardi wasn’t counting on a miracle comeback for tonight against Texas.

“It’s unfortunate because the fans here were really looking forward to him getting 3,000 at home,” Teixeira said. “We were all, too.”

It could be known later today whether Jeter has to go on the DL with the Grade 1 calf strain suffered running out of the box on his fifth-inning flyout, according to Girardi. Alex Rodriguez had to go on the DL with a calf strain last season.

“It’s frustrating,” Girardi said. “You hoped that he could’ve did it on the homestand. But for our team, it’s frustrating. He’s our leadoff guy. He’s pretty sore.”

The Yankees could be playing two men short if there are no moves. Russell Martin’s status is iffy as well. He returned Sunday after missing four games, but he was scratched after batting practice Monday due to the same lower back stiffness. Girardi said it didn’t look like he had the rotation he needed.

“We’ll wait and make sure that his BP is normal before we put him back out there,” Girardi said.

A.J. Burnett had his curveball and change, and he allowed just one run, five hits and one walk while fanning eight over 7 2/3.

“It’s a shame we wasted a great start like that,” Brett Gardner said.

Carlos Carrasco had a great one, too, allowing five hits and three walks while fanning seven over seven. He did become the 807th pitcher to give up a hit to Jeter — that first-inning single.

Jorge Posada had a single in four trips, extending his hitting streak to a season-high seven games.

Tonight’s pitching matchup features CC Sabathia vs. Alexi Ogando, who’s 7-0 with a 2.10 ERA.

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238 Responses to “Yankees postgame: More Jeter”

  1. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:29 am

    Jeter just needs to be healthy. He’s too old to play with significant lege injuries.

    Either start catching Posada or call up Montero.

  2. West Coast Yankee Fan June 14th, 2011 at 12:36 am

    Oh joy. Alexi Ogando, 7-0 with a 2.10 ERA and Hamilton, Young, Beltre and Cruz. But hey in addition to Sabathia we have Swisher Nunez, Cervelli and Gardner. Look Nolan

  3. West Coast Yankee Fan June 14th, 2011 at 12:37 am

    sp – look out Nolan.

  4. Nilsson June 14th, 2011 at 12:38 am

    Really weird the way Martin is being handled. It almost seems like they’re hellbent on playing him in as many games as possible. He could really use the 15 days.

  5. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:38 am

    The Yanks should sign Lance Berkman to play RF this offseason :D

  6. Captain Clutch June 14th, 2011 at 12:38 am

    I would be very surprised if the Yanks pick up Swisher’s option next year and keep him. It’s time to move on. They need someone who makes better contact and plays better defense. Considering how bad his defense is and his issues with off speed pitches he isn’t worth $9m. I am sure Cashman can find someone to produce the same for much less money.

  7. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:40 am

    They’ve pretty much run Martin into the ground.

  8. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:41 am

    Oh joy. Alexi Ogando, 7-0 with a 2.10 ERA and Hamilton, Young, Beltre and Cruz. But hey in addition to Sabathia we have Swisher Nunez, Cervelli and Gardner. Look Nolan

    —————–

    The last time you slurped Ogando the Yankees touched him up for 5 runs in 6 innings.

    Also,

    Texas: 4.7 runs per game
    Yankees: 5.2 runs per game

  9. Captain Clutch June 14th, 2011 at 12:42 am

    Forget about Beltran. In order for the Mets to trade with the Yanks they are going to want a good prospect. Only 2 months of Beltran isn’t worth giving up a good prospect. Cashman should be open to a starting pitcher or a hitter but I think they need a good starting pitcher more if one is available.

  10. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:43 am

    Alderson has said he doesn’t care about trading with the Yankees.

    He is just going to do what is best for the team from a baseball perspective.

  11. GreenBeret7 June 14th, 2011 at 12:44 am

    Yanks whacked Ogando around for 5 runs in 6 innings including 3 homers earlier this year.

  12. Pat M. June 14th, 2011 at 12:45 am

    Rich in NJ….You want to call up Montero who is having his most challenging professional season to date to The Bronx ???? He’s not close to being ready right now….Maybe he gets going and in a few months he could get the call, but certainly not now

  13. m June 14th, 2011 at 12:47 am

    You know, it’s really a shame that Jorge can’t catch. This was his catcher/DH season. I understand why he can’t, but can’t help think of how easy it would be if he could.

  14. West Coast Yankee Fan June 14th, 2011 at 12:48 am

    Typical meaningless history from the usual suspects. What he did months ago has zero to do with how he’s pitching today and some young pitchers actually improve. Or does 7-0 with a 2.10 ERA mean nothing to you?

  15. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 12:48 am

    Pat

    What choice do they have? Martin is rapidly breaking down; Cervelli isn’t ML caliber offensively or defensively; and they refuse to catch Posada. They have offensive holes at C, SS, RF. and maybe DH unless Posada’s recent streak endures. He’s their best option.

  16. West Coast Yankee Fan June 14th, 2011 at 12:50 am

    And your mind numbing portrayal of Yankee offensive stats as something to hang one’s hat on. How did all that work out for you tonight?

    You beat up on a couple of batting practice pitchers on a slumping team and pad the stats. You just don’t get it.

  17. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:51 am

    Ogando had a 0 ERA the last time the Yanks faced him.

  18. CB June 14th, 2011 at 12:52 am

    “Yeah, I’m surprised at Montero and Hayward being mentioned in the same breath. Granted Montero plays the tougher position, but Hayward seems like he was born ready.”

    Bad loss tonight. Swisher and Cano are killing this team. Swisher in particular.

    On Montero and Heyward – both players tracked each other in the minors very, very closely across levels. Heyward, Stanton and Montero were in low A together and then progressed at similar rates all the way up to AA. They actually got promoted almost lock step, IIRC.

    Throughout that time when they were in the minors, Heyward was considered the better prospect and all around player.

    But Montero was almost uniformly thought to be the better hitter than Heyward. Just think about that.

    Of those three players Stanton was considered to have the best tools/ most raw talent, Montero the best overall hitter, and Heyward the best overall prospect.

    The only reason why Montero didn’t join Heyward and Stanton in the major last year was because of two reasons: 1. He plays for the yankees; 2. His position.

    But there’s no reason not to think of Montero alongside Heyward and Stanton because he’s been linked with them since he entered A ball. That he’s not at their level now is just an anomaly of position and organization.

    Of those three players – Heyward, Stanton and Montero – Montero’s swing is definitely better than Stanton’s (stanton has more power but montero has far fewer holes) and probably better than Heywards (heyward didn’t look great against lefties last season).

    That’s how good Montero is with the bat. That’s the caliber of young player he could make himself at the pro level.

    In no way is that a guarantee of future success. And this year he has struggled some with soft stuff away in AAA.

    But this yankees line up does not have great bat speed. And it has guys who have bad swings – swings that can get really long.

    Montero has a swing like Hanley Ramirez’s and Matt Kemp’s. Is that controlled violence that you just see so infrequently.

    I don’t know if he’s ready right now. On the one hand there’s never an ideal time to come up when it’s the yankees. But I’d prefer he work out his issues with soft stuff away some before getting the call.

    But given the state of the organization right now, this is a kid that you must let the future ride on. He may completely fail – there are no guarantees. But you have to take a shot on this kids swing. You cannot trade him. Nor should you rush him. He’s not going to be a savior this year.

    You look at this line up right now – it’s difficult to underestimate how important montero is to this team.

  19. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:53 am

    How did all that work out for you tonight?

    ——-

    Is this you finally admitting you are not a Yankee fan?

  20. Captain Clutch June 14th, 2011 at 12:53 am

    I am sure that Martin would be much more effective if he only caught 4-5 days a week. He has been struggling for almost 2 months now and he really looks worn down. I don’t know what Girardi was thinking letting him catch basically everyday. They have to find someone decent who can split some time with him.

  21. GreenBeret7 June 14th, 2011 at 12:53 am

    Nilsson June 14th, 2011 at 12:38 am
    Really weird the way Martin is being handled. It almost seems like they’re hellbent on playing him in as many games as possible. He could really use the 15 days.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    he’s missed 6 of the last 8 games. he wasn’t hurt playing. he was hurt lifting weights. He might catch 135-140 games this year.

  22. West Coast Yankee Fan June 14th, 2011 at 12:54 am

    And regarding Ogando; maybe having one of the greatest pitchers in history as your owner doesn’t hurt either. You know the guy, the one that doesn’t believe in babying hurlers. How are Joba and Hughes doing this year?

    When the Yankees start developing pitchers that have any consistent success I’ll get excited. Anyone in our rotation this year that fits that bill?

  23. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:54 am

    They can’t back date Martin’s DL because he played yesterday right?

  24. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 12:55 am

    When the Yankees start developing pitchers that have any consistent success I’ll get excited.

    Have the rangers developed consistently successful pitchers yet? Also if what happened in the past doesnt matter why are you quoting Ogando’s ERA and record?

  25. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:55 am

    CB

    Would you call up Montero if Martin goes on the DL?

  26. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 12:55 am

    They played him, thus they can’t back date. you can only back date to the last game you played.

  27. Captain Clutch June 14th, 2011 at 12:56 am

    Alderson has said he doesn’t care about trading with the Yankees.
    ——————-

    I know he said that but I just don’t see that being the case. They would probably have to trade one of the AAA starting pitchers and I would rather see them hang onto them.

  28. West Coast Yankee Fan June 14th, 2011 at 12:56 am

    LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:53 am

    Is this you finally admitting you are not a Yankee fan?

    **********

    Just me proving how little you know about the game. Not to mention your seeming acceptance of the serious problems this club has. I live and breath Yankee baseball and have for a long time. I enjoy when they win and dominate and beat the crap out of the Sux and it really gets to me when that doesn’t look to be the direction we are headed.

  29. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 12:57 am

    Thanks Face. That’s what I figured.

    Really seems like a mistake that they played him yesterday.

  30. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 12:57 am

    Ogando is a flyball pitcher coming into a park where flyball pitchers go to die. Granderson and Tex should have good days.

  31. GreenBeret7 June 14th, 2011 at 12:58 am

    heyward is getting a nasty reputation of riding the injury list lately. That’s never good when you get publically challenged by a HOF team mate.

  32. Nick in SF June 14th, 2011 at 12:59 am

    Temper tantrums aren’t pretty.

    As for Martin, they can backdate the DL all the way to yesterday. Better than today.

  33. West Coast Yankee Fan June 14th, 2011 at 1:01 am

    Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 12:55 am

    Have the rangers developed consistently successful pitchers yet? Also if what happened in the past doesnt matter why are you quoting Ogando’s ERA and record?

    ***********

    Because Ogando is doing that right now; he’s having that kind of season so far. Or are you saying that you wouldn’t want to have a young pitcher who was 7-0 in the AL with a 2.10 ERA. Not to mention his 81 IP – 55 hits – 19 ER and an 0.898 WHIP.

  34. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 1:01 am

    “it really gets to me when that doesn’t look to be the direction we are headed.”

    On this date in 2009, the Yankees were 3 GB of the RS, and were 0-8 against them.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings/_/date/20090613

  35. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 1:02 am

    Because Ogando is doing that right now; he’s having that kind of season so far. Or are you saying that you wouldn’t want to have a young pitcher who was 7-0 in the AL with a 2.10 ERA. Not to mention his 81 IP – 55 hits – 19 ER and an 0.898 WHIP.

    But what he did in the past doesn’t matter, all that matters is that he is a HR prone flyball pitcher coming into a HR happy flyball park.

  36. CB June 14th, 2011 at 1:03 am

    LGY,

    It would honestly depend on what the staff in Scranton said. He hasn’t gotten a lot of fastballs or good pitches to hit from what I’ve seen. He’s getting a lot of junk. And he hasn’t fully adjusted to it.

    I don’t know if he’s pressing or what. It’s nothing to be concerned about. He has such a great opposite field stroke this will only be a problem if he gets too pull happy.

    But that’s how he’s looked so far this season. Pulling the ball / pulling off of it too much. He really does seem a lot like Alex in that it seems to be very clear when his swing is good. With Alex he’s hitting the ball to center-right with a lot of backspin. With Montero it when he’s hitting the ball to right field.

    I’d let him get on a roll before calling him up unless it’s just an absolute have to make move.

    If he tries to hit off speed pitches away like he has at times in AAA up at the bigs he’s going to struggle. And major league pitchers will figure that out very quickly and throw him nothing but junk away.

    So it really depends on where the staff in AAA thinks he is in his game and where his swing is now.

    On the flip side – his defense looks at least passable to me so far this season. He’s not great but he looks better behind the dish than Piazza did or Cervelli does now.

  37. West Coast Yankee Fan June 14th, 2011 at 1:05 am

    LOL! There he goes again, 2 0 0 9 !

    It’s funny.

  38. West Coast Yankee Fan June 14th, 2011 at 1:05 am

    This season is not the past the way I see it – 2009 is the past.

  39. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 1:06 am

    Thats a pretty arbitrary end point.

  40. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 1:06 am

    This season the Yankees touched him up for 5 runs with 3 HRs. He got shellacked by Kansas City 2 starts ago. Feeling confident.

  41. West Coast Yankee Fan June 14th, 2011 at 1:06 am

    Ah why waste my time with stat-heads that have no feel for the game of baseball. I don’t really know. Night.

  42. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 1:07 am

    On the flip side –his defense looks at least passable to me so far this season. He’s not great but he looks better behind the dish than Piazza did or Cervelli does now

    ——-

    It’s amazing how bad Cervelli’s defense has become. I just don’t understand it.

    Hopefully tonight was the start of a hot streak for Montero. Donnie Collins seems to think the two days off were to clear his head. Maybe it worked.

  43. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 1:07 am

    Says the guy who tried to use stats to tell us all about Alexi Ogando.

  44. UnKnown June 14th, 2011 at 1:08 am

    Donnie Baseball is having a tough time of it in is first year it looks like. No one in the stands at this Dodger game either.

  45. LGY June 14th, 2011 at 1:08 am

    Before Cervelli I had never heard of a pitcher calming down a catcher.

  46. Rich in NJ June 14th, 2011 at 1:09 am

    “West Coast Yankee Fan June 14th, 2011 at 1:05 am
    LOL! There he goes again, 2 0 0 9 !

    It’s funny.”

    The inability to rebut facts is pretty funny. We finally agree.

  47. Jerkface June 14th, 2011 at 1:11 am

    Cervelli has all the tools to be a good catcher. He has agility, quickness, a good arm. How he is so bad is an enigma. I wish Montero would get the call up before we head to the Nl.

  48. Pat M. June 14th, 2011 at 1:14 am

    CB….That’s what he was seeing in in mid to late Spring Training was a diet of off speed stuff away and he was chasing…….

  49. CB June 14th, 2011 at 1:15 am

    “Hopefully tonight was the start of a hot streak for Montero. Donnie Collins seems to think the two days off were to clear his head. Maybe it worked.”

    I hope so. I think it’s going to be very obvious when the right time to call him up is.

    They may need to push the move faster due to injuries. But I don’t think it’s going to be suttle when he has to come.

    He’s a player who I think could benefit enormously from playing in yankee stadium. That short RF is going to give him a ton of incentive to take outside pitches the other way. He’ll easily have the power to clear that wall.

    And I think that will help him keep his swing intact.

    Good night everyone.

  50. CB June 14th, 2011 at 1:20 am

    “That’s what he was seeing in in mid to late Spring Training was a diet of off speed stuff away and he was chasing…….”

    Have to talk to Pat before I call it a night.

    Absolutely. He was really pulling off the ball a lot in spring training. He also wasn’t laying off that garbage outside. He’s kind of been that way in AAA so far this season as well. Probably not as bad. But he’s chasing and from what I’ve seen pulling off the ball rather than keeping his front shoulder closed and driving it the other way.

    I don’t know why that is. Why he’s not handling the outside pitch. Probably because he’s 21, lol.

    But a light bulb is going to go off. And he’s going to just relax and crush those pitches to RF.

    The whole prospect of being so close to playing for the Yankees may have just gotten to him a bit this season. It’s not unexpected. He just needs to trust his talent. He’s really good.

  51. Captain Clutch June 14th, 2011 at 1:23 am

    Wynegar said today that he thinks Montero is bored at AAA. He said he thinks it bothers him when he sees other players coming up to help the team this year and he hasn’t gotten the call yet. Then he thinks he tries too hard to impress. Who knows but he sees him everyday so I would think he knows him pretty good.

  52. GreenBeret7 June 14th, 2011 at 1:24 am

    Montero, other than vazquez and earlier, Maxwell behind him, didn’t have a lot surrounding him. Thos two guys are and were on target for 150+ strikeouts each. The two spots in front of him have been pretty unimspiring. Golson was hine but missed a lot of time and now, Maxwell is gone and Laird is just now hitting. Pitchers are feeding him offspeed down and away. He can hit them, but, they are not home run balls. A ton of singles to right and center…..and a lot of ground outs. he’ll probably strike out 120 times this season at this pace, but, I’ve seen worse out of 21 year olds. He should still hit a combined 20 homers and around 80 RBI. Some pitches he grounds out and pops up are on pitches he should leave alone, but, very much a Cano type hitter.

  53. GreenBeret7 June 14th, 2011 at 1:31 am

    Golson was ***fine*** but missed a lot

  54. stuart a June 14th, 2011 at 2:13 am

    again swisher swinging 3 and 0, man on first no outs… Chad or Sam or someone can you ask GirARDI IF he has a take sign and why not use it. Swisher is hitting about 175 left handed, why not put the take sign on? 3 and 1 and still a good account.

    ask Girardi if he has put the take sign on a vet all year???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

  55. stuart a June 14th, 2011 at 2:14 am

    cervelli has never hit period anywhere. why would he hit now. montero has hit everywhere and he will hit in the big leauges…………….

  56. m June 14th, 2011 at 2:25 am

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=6659128

    Brett to lead off and Nunez to play SS.

  57. Pat M. June 14th, 2011 at 2:37 am

    But he’s not hitting this season…Montero is whiffing once every four at bats this season….Let him get going for a month before feeding the kid to the frenzy of expectations by the NY Media and the NY fans…..He could be a very special ballplayer when he’s ready….Penciling him as the savior is not fair…..Yankee fans will sour on him quickly if he doesn’t get off to a great start….Why ruin this kid so early in his career…..

  58. m June 14th, 2011 at 2:59 am

    Meh, not everyone would turn on him.

    Where did I read that even IF Montero doesn’t catch an inning in the bigs this season it’s hardly a crime given his age.

    At some point we might have to call him up, and I almost think an emergency situation might be the best entry point. Kind of forced into service so to speak, with no expectations. He’d be here to help out, not save our season (which is dubious imo).

    On the Yankee at espn.com they give our ranking in some key areas. 12th in AVG. 1st in SLG. I’ve never seen us avg in the .250′s before.

  59. Pat M. June 14th, 2011 at 3:06 am

    m….Mavs take it to the Heat…….Personally I loved it and made a little money on the side……After what they did to The World Champion LA Lakers, they could and did beat everyone in their way to the 2011 NBA Championship……Happy for Cal’s Jason Kidd…..Good night and Good Morning to what is left of the morning group……

  60. BIG AL June 14th, 2011 at 3:25 am

    I see the WCRSF is down on the Yankees once again, surprise. It seems every team we play is better than the Yanks, we are a horrible team etc.

    WCRSF – Go root for the 1st place team, that should make you feel better.

  61. jacksquat June 14th, 2011 at 3:25 am

    Pat M. June 14th, 2011 at 2:37 am
    But he’s not hitting this season…Montero is whiffing once every four at bats this season….Let him get going for a month before feeding the kid to the frenzy of expectations by the NY Media and the NY fans…..He could be a very special ballplayer when he’s ready….Penciling him as the savior is not fair…..Yankee fans will sour on him quickly if he doesn’t get off to a great start….Why ruin this kid so early in his career…..

    He’d be hitting 8/9, there won’t be a lot of expectations, not by anyone reasonable. Cervelli is a waste of time, while Montero has orders of magnitude more upside. There’s no need to baby him and wait for the perfect moment. Cervelli was hitting .233 .290 .346 in 2009 in the minors. I think it’s just stupid to not replace Cervelli with Montero. I’d rather have Molina than Montero, or Montero/Molina if Martin goes on the DL.

  62. jacksquat June 14th, 2011 at 3:26 am

    rather have Molina than *Cervelli*

  63. BIG AL June 14th, 2011 at 3:33 am

    I believe holding Montero back, with the needs of this team today, is doing more to impede his progress than bringing him to NY. He has always adjusted to the level of play he’s faced, and given time in MLB he’ll do the same. Bringing Montero up now allows him time to adjust to ML pitching in time to have a big impact by seasons end.

  64. Nick in SF June 14th, 2011 at 4:05 am

    The Yanks probably aren’t going to be 15 games up or 15 games back this season. So I don’t think there’s going to be a perfect, pressure-free time to bring up Montero. So start the adjustment as soon as possible. I’m penciling him in to be better than Cervelli, not hit .340 with power from the get-go.

    I do understand that there could be a reason, or several reasons, that they haven’t brought him up yet. And if Martin has to go on the DL and they still don’t bring him up… well, that would be a big statement. So…. we will see.

    But personally, I’m ready.

  65. Purenyyankee June 14th, 2011 at 6:33 am

    Did anyone ask that idiot Gadner in the postgame what he was doing trying to bunt a 3-2 pitch?

  66. GreenBeret7 June 14th, 2011 at 7:00 am

    Looking around at teams in financial trouble, I see that the Dodgers owe Ramirez $8.5 mil by the end of June. Though not the perfect choice, they do have Lilly, Billingsley and Kuroda making more than LA can afford, plus Uribe on the infield. They are not moving Kemp, Ethier or Kersaw. Offer up a decent package and take on Uribe’s and a pitcher, most likely Lilly, though Billingsley would be ideal. I wouldn’t offer up Betances, Banuelos or the catchers. One of Mitchell, Warren or Phelps plus one of Adams, Pena or Suttle and one of Parraz, Vazquez or Jose Gil. Since the trade is designed to help the Dodgers to meet payments, request through MLB to add an additional $5 mil in cash.

  67. ron June 14th, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Where do we have a spot for lilly with colon,hughes coming back & nova,noesi,etc…??

    The nl is batting .269 against lilly & he hives up a hit per inning.

    Yes he is a veteran but with

    cc
    burnett
    colon
    hughes
    garcia
    nova

    not to mention others,i think our problem is lf & rf.

    We need to package some of our pitchers for 1 or 2 bats,using gardner & swisher also.

    I would keep banuelos,betances,montero.

  68. GreenBeret7 June 14th, 2011 at 7:38 am

    Name a corner outfield bat that plays good defense that’s available. Hughes isn’t going to return until after the ASB.

  69. Mike Ri June 14th, 2011 at 7:56 am

    Name a corner outfield bat that plays good defense that’s available. Hughes isn’t going to return until after the ASB.

    Carlos Beltran , Michael Cuddyer ,

    I’ll pass on Lilly and Keroda .. If a trade isn’t going to push us over the top . . Then its probably not worth it.

  70. GreenBeret7 June 14th, 2011 at 8:02 am

    beltran is going to cost a lot more than a few young, expendable players and some cash. As long as the Twins think they have a chance, Cuddyer isn’t going anywhere and certainly not for cheap, and neither is Liriano.

  71. willwill June 14th, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Montero will get called up today. I feel it

  72. MTU June 14th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    I’m for bring up Montero as long as 2 conditions are met:

    1) Martin goes on the DL

    2) That people keep in mind that all he has to do is be better than Cervelli. If he struggles that’s where the bar is set. Pretty low.
    Don’t expect him to rake and play stellar D. If that’s where you’re
    at you’re barking up the wrong tree.

    By the way, I am not that familiar with him, but Jose Gil seems to be
    having a good year at AA. Is he an option ?

  73. Triple Short of a Cycle June 14th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    At the rate they are going with Montero, the Killer B’s should be up sometime in 2015

  74. GreenBeret7 June 14th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    NTU, Gil is a pretty decent defensive catcher and can play first base He’s young at 24, but, has been in the system for a while (about 6-7 years). When playing on a regular or at least part tim basis, has some power. He’s got a bit of time in AAA. I’d think that he’s at least equal to or better than Cervelli. He’s been splitting time at catcher and first this season so, he’s getting more at bats.

  75. Erin June 14th, 2011 at 8:37 am

    It’s Flag Day….so happy Flag Day everyone. LOL

    Jeter….. :(

  76. GreenBeret7 June 14th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    ***MTU***

  77. Betsy June 14th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Well I don’t get the rush to bring up Montero – if he’s not ready, and they don’t think he is most likely, then they shouldn’t bring him up. If Banuelos and Betances aren’t ready until 2015, so be it. There is no time frame on when these kids are ready – they will tell us when they are.

  78. MTU June 14th, 2011 at 8:41 am

    GB-

    Thanks. I was hoping you’d chime in on him.

    Jesus was 2-4 last night with a dinger off Gorzelany.

    A couple more games like that and he’ll might get the call.

    Would you call up Gil ahead of Montero, or would you just let Jesus go for it ?

  79. GreenBeret7 June 14th, 2011 at 8:44 am

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    Beyond Johnny Bench and Ivan Rodriguez, name any 21 year old catchers that have gotten substantial major league time.

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    Josh Thole
    Carlton Fisk
    Mike Piazza
    Joe Mauer

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    The how and the when are the real questions.

    We really miss those 3 professional hitters of years past-
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    Wieters and Posey were US college catchers. Not a kid out of the mountains of Venzeuela. Harper is an outfielder…not a catcher.

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  95. Mell June 14th, 2011 at 8:59 am

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    Ted Simmons, but your point is nonetheless valid. It just doesn’t happen that often.

    Montero is coming up on 150 games caught and 700 AB’s at the AAA level. By comparison, Posada caught over 250 games and had more than 1200 AB’s at AAA. Posada spent about 4 seconds in AA, but even if you factor in Montero time in the Eastern League, he’s caught about 180 games and had 850 AB’s at the minor league’s upper levels. Developing a major league catcher takes some time.

  96. Triple Short of a Cycle June 14th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    So now the stipulation needs to be non US catchers? I know Harper is an OF. That is why I said not that he is a catcher anymore. Plus Montero isn’t a traditional catcher in the sense he would mostly be used at DH. That was a big reason Posey was brought up when he was. he played first for most of last year

  97. Mell June 14th, 2011 at 9:00 am

    He has always been advanced for his age so that shouldn’t really matter.

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    As a hitter. Not as a catcher.

  98. Triple Short of a Cycle June 14th, 2011 at 9:01 am

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    The point is you asked how many 21 year old catchers get called up and now you are putting on all these stipulations when examples are given. Mauer also missed a chunk of time with an injury right when he got called up

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    Fisk caught two game at age 21 and disappeared back to the minors until age 23.

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