Latest AL all-star results
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 15, 2011 
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Catcher
Russell Martin, 1,712,156
Alex Avila, 1,093,070
Joe Mauer, 1,041,798
First base
Adrian Gonazalez, 2,027,537
Mark Teixeira, 1,774,024
Miguel Cabrera, 1,295,547
Second base
Robinson Cano, 2,649,737
Dustin Pedroia, 1,518,231
Ian Kinsler, 1,129,023
Third base
Alex Rodriguez, 2,063,520
Adrian Beltre, 1,752,729
Kevin Youkilis, 1,381,381
Shortstop
Derek Jeter, 1,931,670
Asdrubal Cabrera, 1,647,802
Elvis Andrus, 1,180,962
Outfield
Jose Bautista, 3,042,091
Curtis Granderson, 2,406,946
Josh Hamilton, 1,799,339
Jacoby Ellsbury, 1,447,715
Ichiro Suzuki, 1,231,035
Carl Crawford, 1,222,687
Nelson Cruz, 1,123,608
Nick Swisher, 937,365
Brett Gardner, 796,905
J.D. Drew, 778,871
Designated hitter
David Ortiz, 1,974,918
Michael Young, 1,428,833
Jorge Posada, 810,672
Pretty much the ones I voted for – I hope Tex makes it over Gonzales, but it’s hard to argue either way. I didn’t vote for Ortiz, however, because I just cannot bring myself to vote for that guy. I don’t buy his BS…
LOL at the OF voting below Granderson.
1.7m people still think Beltre is on the Redsox.
Why is it that the Yankees make every move possible to avoid calling up Igawa… he can’t start one game?
Adrian Gonazalez, 2,027,537
Mark Teixeira, 1,774,024
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Voters are doing OK here. Avila and A. Cabrera have been the best at their respective positions and that 3rd OF slot could go to any number of guys (Quinten? Joyce?). Not bad.
PacoDooley June 15th, 2011 at 11:50 am
I didn?t vote for Ortiz, however, because I just cannot bring myself to vote for that guy. I don?t buy his BS?
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Same here.
Martin with a big lead lol.. Kinda crazy what one good month can do for a Yankee.
Irreverent Discourse June 15th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Why is it that the Yankees make every move possible to avoid calling up Igawa? he can?t start one game?
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Igawa did start a game.. like 4 years ago, right? I’m still having nightmares along with half the fan base. But you’re right ID, I’m sure he can. I would guess passing him over is simply a matter of wanting to see what else we have thats of value down there.
Hopefully Gordon is successful. Having him and CC pitching when the Yanks hit the road against the NL teams means two actual bats hitting 9th instead the usual auto-out from the pitcher.
Shame – I was there when he came into the game vs Boston (where Karsten? broke his leg in the first inning). He seemed to be OK for one day.
Martin with a big lead lol.. Kinda crazy what one good month can do for a Yankee.
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The catching position is real weak. Even with his recent play he has probably been the 2nd best catcher in the AL.
Morneau back on the DL with a wrist injury. Snake bit.
Great game last night. Where are all the haters now who where whining about the line-up, asking for this person and that person to be called up, sent down, etc…..
C.C. did his job. Giving up 4 runs was not a big deal.
The offense was rolling. They sure did smack around the previously undefeated rangers hurler.
I saw the game via the rangers t.v. telecast and let me tell you, there announcers were ‘shocked’ how hard the Yankees were hitting the ball all over the field.
Howie Kendrick not being on there at all is bad.
The amount of votes that Pedroia, Jeter, Hamilton, Ichiro, Crawford, Swish, Cruz, Drew, and Posada have received is pretty hysterical.
AL catcher should be Avila in a walkover right now.
Hey, it’s the all-star game, not the all scrub-playing-well game.
And DJ with the sympathy vote. I am surprised any Yankee fans could vote for him considering how they have totally bashed the guy and his contribution (or lack thereof) for the past year or so.
Morneau back on the DL with a wrist injury. Snake bit.
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Both him and his team. Twins playing without arguably their four best offensive players in Morneau, Mauer, Span and Kubel.
And DJ with the sympathy vote. I am surprised any Yankee fans could vote for him considering how they have totally bashed the guy and his contribution (or lack thereof) for the past year or so.
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Prufrock stuffed the ballot box.
Whatever you say, Doorknob.
Definite east coast bias
GB7 – Something wrong, grumpy?
Fans vote for who they want to see…..they still consider it an exhibition.
I just voted for Jeter 25 times …..go Jeter!!!
I voted for Nader.
Yankees Curtis Granderson’s 21 homers through NY’s first 65 games are the most for a Yankees outfielder at this point since 1961. #YankeesFacts
Reminds me of the ballot stuffing for Swisher last year and then calling him an All Star. Yeesh. Died down this year. Swisher is what he is. Not as good as last year, not as bad as this year but All Star does not compute. Delusion is wonderful.
“Send Swish” !
“I am surprised any Yankee fans could vote for him considering how they have totally bashed the guy and his contribution (or lack thereof) for the past year or so.”
All-Star Voter Fallacy?
I don’t bother myself with who will or won’t play in the All-Star game but thanks for the idea LGY.
I imagine your own little finger’s in traction from pulling the lever for Brett, eh?
Tom
what team did you write him in for?
cgrand14 Happy 24th birthday to Eduardo Nunez and 38th birthday Andy Pettitte! Hall of Famers Wade Boggs and Billy Williams were also born on this date.
It’s hard not to vote for Asdrubal. Will Jeter pass the torch if he wins? Doubt it.
J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
I don’t bother myself with who will or won’t play in the All-Star game
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I feel the same. Last year I barely watched the game, even though Hughes was pitching.
Just don’t have the same interest level as in previous years.
Cabrera will make the team regardless…..
Reminds me of the ballot stuffing for Swisher last year and then calling him an All Star. Yeesh. Died down this year. Swisher is what he is. Not as good as last year, not as bad as this year but All Star does not compute. Delusion is wonderful.
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Swisher pre ASB: .298/.377/.524
He played at an All Star level the first half of last year.
I love Curtis Granderson.
I love how he plays, I love how he speaks, and I love that he wears his backpack in every post-game interview like a little kid getting ready for school. Rock on Curtis!
RobinsonCano GQ shoot today, issue coming out September. Now I have to prepare myself for tonights game. http://lockerz.com/s/110946357
I have to wait ’til September??? Not cool.
Shame
Is that what Curtis has on? I have been wondering. I thought it was some new type of championship belt!
So Morneau is hurt. Maybe they need a 1st baseman in Jorge Vazquez + “expiring” contract in Kei Igawa for Liriano!!!
Hughes up to 93mph!
If Gardner continues to play well in all facets of the game, will he stay in the leadoff position against both righties and lefties?
Looks like the players named to represent the AL will come down to whether the Yankees outvote the Sux.
The Jeter ‘hate’ that goes on here is nothing when compared to this:
http://nomaas.org/2011/06/jete.....ion-point/
Faye Vincent was just on ESPN and was asked about Mark Cuban….paraphrasing he said ” that its more important for an owner to be a gentleman than to run a successful franchise and to win…..and that George Stsinbrenner was a problem in baseball and that Mark Cuban is a problem in basketball” out of touch much?
Cuban should buy the Dodgers……it would be incredible for baseball.
russellmartin55 Thanks for your Support and ASG votes. It’s all about the fans!
Warning Track Power June 15th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
J. Alfred Prufrock June 15th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
I don’t bother myself with who will or won’t play in the All-Star game
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I feel the same. Last year I barely watched the game, even though Hughes was pitching.
Just don’t have the same interest level as in previous years.
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You almost wish your own guys don’t make it so they get an actual break. But it’s laid back enough & they enjoy it, I guess. Stakes a little higher than they used to be, & I admit I enjoyed that extra-inning one at home where Mo came in & Papelbon was serenaded with “O-ver ra-ted! O-ver ra-ted!” That was after his stupid idea/remark that he was the next Rivera or whatever he said. Any way, good game, that one.
upstate – Yeah, its a backpack, although I like the idea that its really a new championship belt… made from the skin of Red Sox fans… yeah… yeah I like that a lot better.
(Every time I see it I want Kim Jones to hand him lunch money)
Cabrera will make the team regardless…..
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Definitely. But I’m really talking about starting. Maybe Jeter gets one last start for the big milestone but he could probably win the popular vote in his grave.
I’m hoping Swish is just tired of sucking from the left side.
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Welp, it’s time I got started on that love letter to Dellin. By the time I’m done composing, selecting just the right metaphors to express my ardor, it will be time for him to pitch.
Good day, all.
Maybe Jeter will get 3,000 at the ASG?
@Dante19jrDante Bichette Jr
Just so you all know, I’ll be officially a Yankee very very soon. And I’ll let everyone know exactly what day. Go yanks!
Not sure if anyone addressed the Igawa question. But I don’t think he’s on the 40-man roster, so that probably plays into it.
Otherwise, what’s happening, folks?
Tom – Wow. Love that last part, “It’s becoming clear that the Jeter contract is actually hurting the Yankees’ chances of winning division titles. It’s also becoming clear that this is one of the worst signings in team history, and may be one of the worst contracts in terms of salary versus player performance since the advent of free agency.”
It seems like with Jeter there’s just no in between.. opinions are either over the top negative or insanely defensive. And what of the Carl Crawford contract? Barry Zito? Even Jason Bay? There have got to be worse contracts than Jeter out there… at least Derek Jeter is Derek Jeter. Imagine paying all that money for Jason freakin’ Bay…
Apparently, Dante Sr. didn’t teach his son the art of negotiating.
He’s all kinds of excited.
I refuse to follow any minor leaguers on twitter unless they post video of themselves eating peanuts in a hotel room while being interviewed by a porn star.
JackCurryYES Do you want to read a refreshing story about perseverance? Here’s Brian Gordon’s story. http://t.co/BpN5qkj
Bronx Jeers June 15th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
I refuse to follow any minor leaguers on twitter unless they post video of themselves eating peanuts in a hotel room while being interviewed by a porn star.
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yesterday I was reading an article about Jeter going on the DL and made the mistake of reading the comments below. Some posters were claiming that he was faking it so he could get #3000 at home
kate – some people also believe the world is flat, men never walked on the moon, and that Queen Elizabeth is part of a global conspiracy to restore the Holy Roman Empire.
“Some posters were claiming that he was faking it so he could get #3000 at home”
Personally, I think he’s faking it to annoy the Mets fans (all 50 of them) that will be in the house when he does it on their field.
kate-that theory is so ridiculous I don’t even know where to start. lol
Bronx Jeers June 15th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
I refuse to follow any minor leaguers on twitter unless they post video of themselves eating peanuts in a hotel room while being interviewed by a porn star.
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You’ve just given new meaning to “the Melky Way.”
it should be noted that most of these posters were red sox fans
Joe
I never heard about the Queen E conspiracy
What hurts the Yankees is bad play between the lines not contracts.
I was wondering what my favorite Tweeter has been up to:
NotHankStein FakeHankSteinbrenner
I made the call to put Jeter on the DL. He’s missing some quality weather in Tampa he can enjoy at his mansion. I’m a people person. I care.
NotHankStein FakeHankSteinbrenner
FYI-If we get swept tonight, I’m peeing in the gatorade bucket again.
NotHankStein FakeHankSteinbrenner
Great. Hal just told me I can’t give Jeter a pie in the face on the field after he hits his 3000th. You really get nothing for owning a team
Where is Evan Longoria on that list? I guess chasing his hat across town took its toll. With all the money he makes, youd think hed have a spare.
What hurts the Yankees is bad play between the lines not contracts.
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Bad contracts lead to bad play between the lines and being able to acquire better players.
Not to mention the opportunity cost of the draft picks the Yanks could acquire or keep.
I ask again, politely, does anyone know what happened to Carlos Silva? I thought we had signed him to a Minor League contract?
Joe from Long Island June 15th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
kate ? some people also believe the world is flat, men never walked on the moon, and that Queen Elizabeth is part of a global conspiracy to restore the Holy Roman Empire.
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I actually did a paper on the moon landing conspiracy in college. LOL
bruceb June 15th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
I ask again, politely, does anyone know what happened to Carlos Silva? I thought we had signed him to a Minor League contract?
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He has been injured and not pitching IIRC
Also IIRC, Cashman said there is NO opt out date with Silva and no need to rush him back.
“Bad contracts lead to bad play between the lines and being able to acquire better players.”
Until I hear a Steinbrenner say someone was too rich for their blood, contracts are not an issue.
Yankees aren’t necessarily paying Jeter all that money for on-field performance.
I’d like to see the Yankees re-sign Christian Garcia and perhaps Scott Kazmir (when released) and use their Bartolo Colon 2 for 1 coupons for stem cell and PRP procedures on them.
kate – yeah, that was a big one, back in the day, in the mid ’80s.
Interesting piece by Tom Verducci, over at SI site. He collected data on all pitchers selected in the first round.
Almost half of them never pitched in the majors. Of those who did, about half never won more than 10 games. And many of those were under .500.
As Verducci said, in his conclusion – “We now return you to your regularly scheduled optimism.”
m — The new guy wasn’t on the 40 man either. I think the Yankees have just decided they want nothing to do with Igawa. He was pretty good once or twice against the Sox. He may not be good but IMHO he could be an MLB pitcher. Burying him in AA seems like the Yankees just don’t like the Kei man.
Bronx Jeers June 15th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Yankees aren’t necessarily paying Jeter all that money for on-field performance.
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Does he have a lawn service too?
“Until I hear a Steinbrenner say someone was too rich for their blood, contracts are not an issue.”
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Why would Steinbrenner come out and announce that? That would be a horrible PR move.
Posada’s contract has not hurt the team, particularly this year? Jeter? You don’t think Alex’s contract will?
What about the draft picks they could have gotten if they let Po and/or Jeter walk?
Rob_NY June 15th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
m — The new guy wasn’t on the 40 man either. I think the Yankees have just decided they want nothing to do with Igawa. He was pretty good once or twice against the Sox. He may not be good but IMHO he could be an MLB pitcher. Burying him in AA seems like the Yankees just don’t like the Kei man.
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Put Igawa i San Diego or Citifield, and he could be okay. Fly ball pitcher…
Thank you.
Considering the stats Joe just posted I don’t even know if I care about the draft… Get those Latin players, Cash!!
What about the draft picks they could have gotten if they let Po and/or Jeter walk?
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How would they have done that? They would have had to offer arbitration, and overpay them…No one else would have come close to paying DJ what Yanks did…and if he went to arb, he would be making $20M or so.
Bruce — Silva is on the AAA disabled list with a stiff shoulder. Saw it reported last week so I’m not sure if that’s still 100% current.
bruceb June 15th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Thank you.
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YW
OT: Just saw a tweet from a Mariner blogger on the MLB xFIP rankings:
1) Roy Halladay
2) Cole Hamels
3) Cliff Lee
Jaime Garcia is 4th more than a 1/3 of a run from Lee
Colon is 4th in AL behind Price, Shields and Haren
and if he went to arb, he would be making $20M or so.
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For 1 year, a great bargain. These contracts come with implied play time, which is where they hurt. The team sticks with contracted players longer than cheaper guys with options.
Rob_NY,
Duh. Didn’t think about that. It’s been a while since Igawa’s been off the 40, they’ve had many chances to put him back on, but it’s just not going to happen I guess.
I’ve been wondering about the PRP procedure, and would like to get some pro thoughts.
It seems to me the procedure is used more and more in dental procedures to promote faster healing. If so, then wouldn’t it make sense to use after each start by a pitcher? Their arms must break down during each outing…so would the PRP procedure help keep them healthier?
Put Igawa on the first flight to Japan. If they have no interest using him or trading him. Why not just have him stay home? Use that spot for someone that will actually be looked at.
Anyone notice last night in the press conference Girardi called Nunez Noony? He is sooo in the circle.
What would we call the rest of the starters?
Alex-Ally or Roddy
Jeter- Jeety or Dairy
Cano-Robbie
Texiera-Marky or Texy
Martin-Marty or Russy
Posada-Jorgie
Granderson-Grandy
Gardner-Gardy
Swisher-Swishy
Some dont sound so good. Those probably dont get in the circle of trust.
Jerkface June 15th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
and if he went to arb, he would be making $20M or so.
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For 1 year, a great bargain. These contracts come with implied play time, which is where they hurt. The team sticks with contracted players longer than cheaper guys with options.
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Yeah–I was thinking that too as I wrote it…but my point is that there was no way we could offer arb and be declined, and thus get draft picks.
Just getting a chance to read the Post today… Man, sometimes lately Cash has really confused me with his public statements about the players, in this case being Posada.
I’m a big Cashman fan/supporter, but this really does have me scratching my head.
“Posada’s contract has not hurt the team, particularly this year? Jeter? You don’t think Alex’s contract will?”
No to all three. Money/ contracts has never stopped the Yankees from cutting ties to non-contributing players in the past.
“What about the draft picks they could have gotten if they let Po and/or Jeter walk?”
If they had offered them arbitration, I would need to know who they would have gotten with the pick and about 3-5 years from now I would know whether it hurt them or not.
YESNetwork Did you know Jason Giambi once inspired John Turturro to wear a thong? Watch CenterStage tonight for the full story: http://bit.ly/iDI4V4
BTW–I texted (is that the right word?) Joba to consider getting Platelette Rich Plasma treatments to help him recover faster from surgery. Hope he considers it!
SoS June 15th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Jeter- Jeety or Dairy
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I would pay money to hear Girardi call Jeter “Dairy”
Erin June 15th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
YESNetwork Did you know Jason Giambi once inspired John Turturro to wear a thong? Watch CenterStage tonight for the full story: http://bit.ly/iDI4V4
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I REALLY DON’T want to see those videos.
BoJo- LOL
Paying “homage” to former Yankee, Jason Giambi, in the first Transformers movie:
…I take my pants off, and I have that thong on…and he [director and executive producer Michael Bay] said, “Well, what is that?” I said, “It’s a baseball thing”… I read that when [Giambi] went in batting slumps-that he wore a gold lame thong. …and so when I heard that, I said, “I got to put that in the movie.” And I did.
What do you think was the worst contract the Yankes have entered into in the last 10 years?
I think that is the second John Turturro reference in 2 days. IIRC, GB mentioned him.
pat June 15th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
What do you think was the worst contract the Yankes have entered into in the last 10 years?
1. Kei Igawa
2. Carl Pavano (close behind)
3. Jaret Wright?
Back to work–later!
The Kei Igawa deal is far from the worst. I think Jaret Wright or Pavano, since both of them were on the 40 man for longer than Igawa and in Wright’s case, like directly lost them a game in the playoffs.
pat June 15th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
What do you think was the worst contract the Yankes have entered into in the last 10 years?
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I would say Idle.
What ever happened to the WWE championship belt? Did someone run away with it? I thought they should have had the WWE belt for the MVP of the game and Intercontinental belt for someone who did the little things in the game(i.e. bunted, sac fly, got us out of a jam late, slid head first running to first, throw an accurate throw to second from home, drew a walk, great defensive play, charged the mound after getting hit by pitch, hard slide to second, tried to stretch out an obvious single to a double or obvious double into a triple tagged out by a mile,etc.).
No to all three. Money/ contracts has never stopped the Yankees from cutting ties to non-contributing players in the past
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Examples?
The Posada and Jeter contracts are already hurting. They have the worst DH and one of the worst SS in the AL. They could have upgraded both positions in the offseason.
In addition contracts like that are the reason they don’t have Holliday. They spent the money ticketed for Holliday a year early on Tex. They have a lot to spend but there is a limit.
I personally would rather have Holliday than Posada and/or Jeter.
There’s an insider article on espn.com today about baseball’s worst contracts.
Can anyone give us the top 10?
Can we add Kevin Brown to that list?
I doubt Jeter would have accepted arb. He would be too insulted.
But if he did having him on a one year contract would have been great.
Strategically staggering the big contracts may have been a big reason they didn’t go after Holliday. But I’m not convinced they really liked him as a player.
They may have been worried about him being a product of Coors field. IIRC his road splits weren’t pretty.
If the Yankees really wanted Holliday they could of have had him. Besides, weren’t they trying to land and extend Halladay or Lee just after Holliday became a free agent? That must have been the primary goal, especially since Gardner gave them an inhouse option in LF.
“In addition contracts like that are the reason they don’t have Holliday.”
I they wanted Holliday, they would have paid him.
They were going to find the money to pay Cliff Lee whatever he wanted because they wanted him.
They found the money for Soriano even when Cashman didn’t want him.
They don’t let previous $ decisions determine future $ decisions because they understand winning is a license to print money so putting $ ahead of wins can be infinitely more expensive.
JerkfaceJune 15th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
The Kei Igawa deal is far from the worst. I think Jaret Wright or Pavano, since both of them were on the 40 man for longer than Igawa and in Wright’s case, like directly lost them a game in the playoffs.
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Plus, a large part of the Igawa money didn’t get the luxury tax penalty attached to it.
Using that same logic though Pavano spent most of his time on the DL so not taking up a spot with horrible production. Wright was very bad when he did pitch so that has to be up there for bad contracts but he only made 7m / year. It’s an interesting question: who was the worst contract that the Yankees had to play on the team for most of it?
Did anyone actually hear Cash on the Fan yesterday talking about Posada and the concussion situation?
Wells, Zito, Pavano… everyone else.
Can anyone give us the top 10?
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ryan Howard
Arod
Vernon Wells
Alfoso soriano
Johan Santana
Tex
Zito
Lackey
Werth Bay
It’s based on projected WAR/value and then actual salary to be earned.
“They don’t let previous $ decisions determine future $ decisions because they understand winning is a license to print money so putting $ ahead of wins can be infinitely more expensive.”
Simply Brilliant.
Yankee/Sox will be well-represented in the ASG
Yankees:
Tex (alternate)
Cano
Jeter
ARod
Martin
Granderson
Rivera
Outside shot: CC (too many other good pitchers in the AL to be a lock)
Sox:
Gonzalez
Pedroia (alternate)
Ellsbury (stater or alternate)
Ortiz
Papelbon
Beckett
Lester
Outside shot: Youkallis, Buchholz, Crawford
I they wanted Holliday, they would have paid him. They were going to find the money to pay Cliff Lee whatever he wanted because they wanted him. They found the money for Soriano even when Cashman didn’t want him.
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This is a far too simplistic way of looking at it.
If Posada or Jeter is not on this team is Matt Holliday a Yankee?
If A Rods contract is not so ridiculous is he a Yankee? If they don’t sign AJ is he a Yankee?
The Yankees have shown no willingness to eclipse the 210-215 payroll mark. They have a limit to their spending.
Soriano is a Yankee because Cliff Lee is not. The Yanks set a budget and work with it.
Holliday is not a Yankee because he didn’t fit in that budget.
Bronx,
Thanks for that.
Mell June 15th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Know nothing about this Gordon guy, but do find it puzzling they’d seek out a journeyman minor leaguer to fill Colon’s spot when they have what seem to be some appealing young options from within.
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I have no problem with giving the guy a shot. I think the Yankees are more interested in him as a possible reliever than as a starter for the rest of the season but even if we’re just talking about this start, there’s no arguing with his results at AAA.
If you want to use the merit system to determine who should be starting rather than basing it on potential – then there’s no reason the Yankees shouldn’t take this guy over Phelps.
And, if you want to look on the bright side – the guy could be the New Aaron Small.
how many people think that brett gardner is going to wally pipp jeter out of the first spot in the order?
bardos,
He will against RHP. How can he pipp anyone with Andruw Jones in the lineup?
What is the best free agent contract the Yankees have made(i.e. a steal)?
Mussina?
Pettitte?
Rivera?
“Holliday is not a Yankee because he didn’t fit in that budget.”
I don’t know why some people don’t understand this. Vastly overpaying players affects how good this team can be, and it demonstrates why cost-controlled players like Gardner, Nova, etc. are so valuable.
“What is the best free agent contract the Yankees have made(i.e. a steal”
CC has to be on any list.
They don’t let previous $ decisions determine future $ decisions because they understand winning is a license to print money so putting $ ahead of wins can be infinitely more expensive.
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You can’t make this argument and then in other discussions argue off the field business decisions account in part for the contracts they give to players like Jeter.
It’s inconsistent. Either its all about winning baseball or it is not.
Rich,
I actually had him first on that list but thought for the money hes getting paid, he should be pitching ACE like.
LGY June 15th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
I they wanted Holliday, they would have paid him. They were going to find the money to pay Cliff Lee whatever he wanted because they wanted him. They found the money for Soriano even when Cashman didn’t want him.
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This is a far too simplistic way of looking at it.
If Posada or Jeter is not on this team is Matt Holliday a Yankee?
If A Rods contract is not so ridiculous is he a Yankee? If they don’t sign AJ is he a Yankee?
The Yankees have shown no willingness to eclipse the 210-215 payroll mark. They have a limit to their spending.
Soriano is a Yankee because Cliff Lee is not. The Yanks set a budget and work with it.
Holliday is not a Yankee because he didn’t fit in that budget.
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To this day I believe the conversation was along the lines of Cashman and the PTB deciding that they could either have Tex in 2009 or Holliday in 2010 and with Tex looking like he was going to Boston and the Yankees not knowing for sure if Holliday would actually become a FA they went for Tex. Right move then, right move now.
bardos – I asked this question yesterday. Personally, I think it’s a longshot. But, if Brett out-performs in the 1-slot, it’s possible. Joe has shown a tendency to stick with what’s working (Granderson in the 2-slot, for instance), and it might provide him with a cover to move Jeter to 9.
Of course, it might not play out that way, for numerous reasons. But, this might be the one chance that it happens.
SoS
He is (and has been) pitching like an ace, and more importantly, they wouldn’t have won in 2009 without him, or be in a position to win this season.
“I don’t know why some people don’t understand this.”
Because they have shown that when they really want someone, money is no object.
Jeter’s 10 yr deal was very good for the organization. Maybe not in terms of $$$ to WAR but in terms of developing the Yankee brand.
Rich,
I know hes pitching and has been pitching like an ace. But hes also the highest paid pitcher in baseball. I meant which player in free agency have we signed that actually played better than his contract. If that makes any sense.
To this day I believe the conversation was along the lines of Cashman and the PTB deciding that they could either have Tex in 2009 or Holliday in 2010 and with Tex looking like he was going to Boston and the Yankees not knowing for sure if Holliday would actually become a FA they went for Tex. Right move then, right move now.
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Exactly. Which shows that the Steinbrenners were only willing to pay one of those players.
If they had more money available in the budget the calculation and pursuit of Holliday is entirely different.
Does anyone even listen to the Mike Lupica show? I haven’t even touched 1050 since their new lineup took effect, with the exception of a few minutes of Kay here and there.
Because they have shown that when they really want someone, money is no object
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You have no idea if this is true.
How do you know the Yankees (gasp) didn’t really want John Lackey?
The Yankees have shown that when they make an offer to a free agent they will do everything in their power to not have that offer topped.
No one has any idea as to whether they have passed on players they really want due to financial reasons.
SoS
I think you have to view his value in terms of how much revenue winning brings to the Yankees, and how much he contributes to that.
Mussina made a ton in terms of 2001 baseball economics.
What’s the difference?
I would believe the money is no object thing if they consistently ran out payrolls above the kind of steady payroll limit they’ve had for the past 4 years. They hover around 200, with some room to pickup a contract or two at the deadline. They don’t go to opening day with a payroll above 215
“Jeter’s 10 yr deal was very good for the organization. Maybe not in terms of $$$ to WAR but in terms of developing the Yankee brand.”
No, it was a good deal on every level.
The original A-rod traded contract was awesome. Jeters deal was great. Posada’s previous contract.
Why weren’t the Yankees going to sign BOTH Lee and Soriano?
It’s obvious they really wanted those two players.
Im just glad they didnt go after Crawford. That contract is going to look like a disaster in about 2 years if not already. He looks like hes gaining weight and in turn will start losing that speed. His stolen bases going down, no power, terrible on base percentage. He will make Gary Mathews jr. contract look like a bargain.
Cano’s contract has been a steal. The almost impossible for the yankees to get a steal on a free agent deal because it costs more for them to acquire players. They make their hay on extensions and those minor league deals. Colon’s deal is looking ace.
Your right. Mussina was paid quite a bit for that time. Rivera was aslo paid top dollar for his position.
The best trade Yankees ever made not including Ruths?
“Jeter’s 10 yr deal was very good for the organization. Maybe not in terms of $$$ to WAR but in terms of developing the Yankee brand.”
No, it was a good deal on every level.
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Oh yeah? I just threw that $/WAR thing in there to placate the SABR guys.
“You have no idea if this is true.”
In just the last 5 years, they have been willing to pay Alex, Posada, Tex, CC, AJ, Jeter and Soriano more than market rate so I would say that is a pattern of money not being an object in getting who they want.
What proof do you have or pattern that shows that Holliday wasn’t signed because he was too expensive?
Arod’s first contract wasnt a bad deal either for a team that could afford him. Jeter and Arod are 2 of the only players to ever sign a really long deal and then live up to it. Alex’s original deal (had he not opted out) would have been good value.
““What is the best free agent contract the Yankees have made(i.e. a steal”
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Mussina was pretty good. One of the better longterm contracts ever given out to a SP.
Don’t know if it was a “steal” though.
The Phillies are hammering the Marlins. It looks like they will be coasting into the playoffs this year unless the injury bug hits them.
The best trade Yankees ever made not including Ruths?
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Kelly for O’Neill
Hitchc*ck/Davis for T. Martinez
Cater for Lyle
Bunch of guys I can’t even remember for Nettles
Medich for Randolph and Ellis (couple others involved in that deal)
Who did we give up for Abreu? We did trade for him, right?
Abreau?
Ledee for Justice?
“In just the last 5 years, they have been willing to pay Alex, Posada, Tex, CC, AJ, Jeter and Soriano more than market rate so I would say that is a pattern of money not being an object in getting who they want.”
There is a fallacy in this thinking. You are making a jump that is not there. We know the Yankees often commit to not allowing their offer to be topped. You cannot assume this means they just sign whoever they really want.
Tex contract was market value btw so he shouldn’t be included on that list. You can make an argument for Posada as well.
“What proof do you have or pattern that shows that Holliday wasn’t signed because he was too expensive?”
Primarily, Ttheir payroll has remained consistent for 4 years and I could just leave it at that. But also it came out that the Cash went to Hal to spend money on Tex a year early and they were not willing to sign both Sori and Lee.
Also, it was reported that one of the reasons the Yanks didn’t try harder for Haren was because both him and Lee would have been too expensive.
That first round pick shortstop i believe that played 2 sports.
Abreau?
Ledee for Justice?
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I was thinking non-salary dump division
Hope this link works. Came up on Twitter. For all you Lupica lovers:
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I think they passed on Holliday because they had earmarked that money for Lee and because they thought Crawford would be there the next year if they needed an outfielder…..he made all the sense in the world and I do think they passed for budget related reasons.
Sherman says Yankees had Kuroda after Lee on their shopping list this offseason. Good stuff, too bad he went in the restricted bargaining period. I wouldn’t mind a trade for him. He is a steady pitcher.
mell,
that’s brilliant. lupica is a loud mouth who is more interested in the sound of his voice than the content of his message. thanks for posting that
That’s hilarious, Mell.
It is all speculation on everyone’s part, but my thought is similar to what Blake says, they passed on Holliday b/c they intended to go after Crawford. I think GGBG played himself into a position, and they decided they didn’t need Crawford, especially at the price he commanded.
LGY
Uncle. We’re both connecting dots with no proof and I’m bored with it now.
Good points all around, upstate.
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my two cents: holliday got two years and 40 million more than the yankees wanted to spend. i think they would have gone after crawford if lee lad signed, just to stack the deck. like teix after cc. but crawford signed too early, and he should have for his own sake. he got 30 million more from the red sox than he would have from anyone else. just my opinion, but crawford would have been perfect on the sf giants.
Kuroda would be a good get if Hughes can’t get the job done.
Not sure though if Hughes comes back strong. Then again you can never have enough pitching…
Xavier Henry’s brother was the two-sport athlete you were thinking of. Left to go play with Xavier at Kansas or something.
As for the big contracts, I think the Yankees target a player, earmark money, make their be$t effort to sign the player. Tex, CC are two examples. They’re not always successful, like with Lee.
If plan A doesn’t work out, they move on to plan B. More and more lately they’ve been going with young players from our system or with retreads (which aren’t as bad as they sound) rather than give contracts to players they don’t really want.
Joelsherman1 Gordon will not officially sign a contract with #Yankees until tomorrow so I do not expect them to acknowledge publicly today
Soriano and stuff for A-Rod was historically good.
I almost never have a problem with overpaying a top tier player who is 30 or younger. It’s when they overpay for a decent, at best, player that concerns me.
I just got an email from Mo!
“I want to cordially invite you to the Grand Opening of The Clubhouse Grill, this Thursday, June 16th. The celebration will take-off at 3pm with the participation of my fellow friend, Dwight Gooden who will be meeting and greeting patrons. It will be a delightful experience that I’m sure you won’t regret!”
Swisher leading off tonight. Jones in LF. A-Rod DH.
Swisher leading off tonight, per Girardi
Alex DH, Pena and Nunez at SS and 3B. Let the whining commence.
Why are you whining, pat?
pat June 15th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
I just got an email from Mo!
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wow, pat-moving up in the world!!
Worst lineup of the season
Cervelli is also in there. So Cervelli, Jones, Pena, Nunez, Swisher. Probably all in a row too in some configuration
I’d DH Jones and put Gardner in there. This doesn’t seem like it makes sense
Hate CerSmelly…….total scrub….
Tomorrow’s a day game and the Yankees haven’t named a starter yet. Maybe that will work to their advantage since the Rangers will have little time to prepare
YankeesPR Feliz Cumplea?os to Eduardo Nunez! also today’s special guest for the Yankees Spanish-language press conference http://twitpic.com/5c0aj5
Is every constructive suggestion a whine?
Is this a spring training game??? Just let Nunez bat lead off instead of Gardner….
Pena is actually in the lineup?????
Brian Gordon actually pitched 4 innings for the Rangers in 2008. His only MLB action.
If the Yankees knew then what they know now about Martin’s back, I wonder if they would have DL’ed him right at the start. It’s too late now because it would only be retroactive to Monday, but he could have used 2 weeks off from that Wednesday game in Boston.
pena at third for the ground ball throwing nova.
*against Boston
I wouldn’t play Jones at all. Gardner should play every day…..and until they bring up Montero Id let Jorge DH every day.
If this WAS a spring training road game the Yankees would be fined for not sending enough regulars.
Cash has been bad at two things: 1) BUO; 2) LOOGY. Otherwise, he has been very good.
Hi everyone,
You should check out Joel Sherman`s blog, quite an interesting read that i happen to agree with
Word is that Pena has carved a lightning bolt into his wet noodle bat…..its now called Wonder Noodle…..Cervelli and he both will be using it tonight so fear not Yankee fans.
BryanHoch @NickSwisher has 29 career starts as a leadoff hitter, all in 2008 for the White Sox. He hit .208 (22-for-106) with three homers and 8 RBIs.
RiverAveBlues RT @BrianCoz: Girardi says on WFAN that Swisher will lead off, ARod DH and he’ll play both Nunez and Pena. Cervelli at C for now.
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Actually don’t mind. Swish is killing lefties.
Seeing Cervelli and Pena in the same lineup :/
What can you do.
This sounds like a Tampa split squad game, except the away team stays HOME ROFLMAO
LGY,
That makes no sense that they wouldn’t be able to afford Lee and Haren. They were planning on bringing back Andy anyway so Haren and Andys money would have just canceled each other out
If that`s the line up we are giving up the game from start. But again you never know you haveto play the games who knows
At least the infield defense should have an easier time keeping Nova’s ground balls from finding holes
I was about to comment on the possible line-up tonight and then I read Erin’s post.
Not sure what to say.
Of course ARod can use another DH day. I’m fine with that.
No Gardner at the top of the line-up is a problem. I assume he will return to the lead-off spot tomorrow???
Nunez has to play-Jete is on the DL
Pena at 3rd. UGH!! His bat is so weak. I hope he can get at least 1 hit.
JoeAuriemmaYES Cervelli and Pena working on throws to second: http://lockerz.com/s/110989091
Glad I’m not paying for a ticket to tonight’s game to watch Cervelli and Pena……
They should dl Martin and bring up montero
If that`s the line up we are giving up the game from start. But again you never know you haveto play the games who knows
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Everytime the lineup looks weak they put up a 10 spot.
What looks bad on paper doesnt always end up that way.
I think I’d rather have Pena catch than Cervelli.
Montero should be up.
RS-Great point. Hate to admit it, but Nunez and Pena have more range than our future
HOF left side.
I hope Nova can keep the ball down. Get a lot of ground balls and keep the rangers off the bases.
Cervelli and Pena should just go up to the plate and not swing at all……At least Pena can bunt, Cervi can’t hit,bunt or throw……incredible how this guy has a job in the major leagues….
RS-Great point. Hate to admit it, but Nunez and Pena have more range than our future
HOF left side
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Jerkface and Rich in NJ have more range than our future HOF left side.
Ac1,
agreed
Alex has played an excellent 3B this season
go back and read all the complaints about yesterday’s line up, facing a pitcher who was 7-0
Joelsherman1 Fave scene of day, Reggie Jackson in street clothes fielding pre-BP bunts from Cervelli #Yankees #crazypicture
Jerk face…someone wrote Montero has an injured wrist..
Here’s my rant for the day: Greece needs to get their sh!t together.
Sorry.
BloggingBombers Mark Feinsand
Girardi has said Swisher will lead off tonight against the LHP. Why does he insist on benching Gardner (.364 OBP vs LHP) against lefties?
Interesting. At least Swish is hitting well RH.
Jerk face…someone wrote Montero has an injured wrist..
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Morneau has an injured wrist.
Tom in N.J. June 15th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
I voted for Nader.
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I voted for Perot.
LGY:
Yes, he has.
BloggingBombers Mark Feinsand
Girardi has said Swisher will lead off tonight against the LHP. Why does he insist on benching Gardner (.364 OBP vs LHP) against lefties?
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Maybe so Jones actually plays once in a while.
I have tickets for tomorrow. Hope I don’t get the same lineup
jacksquat June 15th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
BloggingBombers Mark Feinsand
Girardi has said Swisher will lead off tonight against the LHP. Why does he insist on benching Gardner (.364 OBP vs LHP) against lefties?
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Maybe so Jones actually plays once in a while.
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Shouldn’t Jorge be the odd man out?
Alex has been the best 3b in baseball this year. He should be starting the all star game.
jacksquatJune 15th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Tom in N.J. June 15th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
I voted for Nader.
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I voted for Perot.
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I voted for Bob Barr.
fwiw, when I looked 2 or 3 days ago, Pena had a higher OPS than Montero (not now).
86w183- Happy Birthday!!
“Maybe so Jones actually plays once in a while”
He played last night….that should be enough.
New Post: Interesting Yankees lineup
When did they say Martin was going to play again….tomorrow?
On the valueless contracts how about adding these:
Dice-K
Manny being Manny (LAD still Paying)