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Yankees postgame: Gordon’s big day

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jun 16, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Gordon drew a crowd for a good while around his locker. This was really his day, the day for which he waited so long.

Yes, the 15-year minor-leaguer had three relief outings with Texas as a September call-up in 2008. But this was a start for the Yankees in Yankee Stadium. The 32-year-old righty got a no-decision in the 3-2, 12-inning win over the Rangers, but he did well, allowing two runs and seven hits in 5 1-3. He used a cutter and a 68-71 mph curve among other pitches. He began going to that slow hook as an out pitch when he was on the mound as a kid. 

“There have been a lot of highs; there have been a lot of lows,” Gordon said. “This has got to be at the top of all the highs. It was a very special day for myself and my family. … Hopefully I can stick around for a little bit.”

He decided on a sort of career change before the 2007 season, feeling he had hit a plateau as an outfielder, although he was a .274 career hitter with 118 homers.

“After 10 years of trying it with no big-league time and bouncing around from organization to organization, it just didn’t seem too promising,” said Gordon, who was born in West Point. “I was starting a family. So I was like, I’m at peace with retirement. But I loved to pitch when I was kid. Let’s give it a shot.”

Now he has earned another start, this one an interleague start in Cincinnati Tuesday night. You know what means? No DH.

“You spend 10 years grinding it out and then you decide to pitch, and now you get your first big-league at-bat,” Gordon said. “I guess that’s the way I like to operate.”

*Jorge Posada extended his hitting streak to nine games by delivering an RBI double as a righty batter. Now he becomes a pinch hitter for the six-game NL trip, unless Mark Teixeira gets a rest from first in one game.  

But Posada is encouraged at the moment: “I feel a lot of things are coming. I’m working counts well and good things are happening.”

*Andruw Jones started in left as usual with a lefty going. But Brett Gardner came on in the ninth and had two singles in extra innings against lefty Michael Kirkman, including the walk-off hit in the 12th.

“I never worry about him against lefties,” Joe Girardi said. “I’m just trying to keep Andruw going.”

*New righty reliever Cory Wade has been great since coming up yesterday, throwing three perfect innings in the two games, including the final two in this one. Russell Martin used to catch him with the Dodgers.  

“He’s probably even better than the last time I saw him,” Martin said. “He reminds me of 2008. He had a great year in 2008. He looks like he’s got his stuff. He’s got command of his changeup, his fastball. He’s the type of guy who can throw any pitch, any count. That’s why he’s tough to hit.”

Hector Noesi, David Robertson, Mariano Rivera and Wade combined to go 6 2-3 scoreless innings, retiring 19 of 22. Yankees relievers haven’t been charged with a run in their last six outings, covering 18 innings.

*The Yankees bounced back well from the Boston sweep, ending the homestand with six wins in seven tries. They are 19-9 since May 17. They are also the first big-league team since 1958 to win 18 of their first 21 day games. The last team to do it? The Yankees, of course. Robinson Cano has been on base in all the day games.

Now it’s on to another day game, Friday in Chicago against the Cubs, the start of 15 straight against the NL.

 
 

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234 Responses to “Yankees postgame: Gordon’s big day”

  1. Niblick June 16th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Maybe Binder Joe will finally learn his lesson and play Gardner, and forget about “just trying to keep Andruw going”.

  2. mick June 16th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    andruw is not long for this team.

  3. blake June 16th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Really happy for Gordon….that’s a great story.

    There is no reason to keep Jones going…..he’s a bench player…..he should have been signed to be a bench player….not a platoon partner. If they think Garnder needs a platoon partner then they should start the search for a full time LFer……otherwise just let him play every day and see what he can do.

  4. mick June 16th, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    gardner would have caught that ball that dropped when they scored those 2 runs.
    his fielding is a factor that’s overlooked.
    forget the platoon .

  5. mick June 16th, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    gordon and wade were the story today.
    throw in noesi for the naysayers who could not figure out why he wasn’t starting.
    he showed you why they need an aceves type again and again, why don’t some get it, maybe they should watch more games before commenting here.

  6. blake June 16th, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    Gardner is probably the best defensive Lfer in baseball…..if not he’s right there with Crawford. Jones doesn’t hit near enough to warrant taking Gardner’s glove off the field…..especially at YS. You have to get him ABs if he’s going to be on the team …..but it shouldn’t be a platoon situation. Get him a DH day every now and then and a day in the outfield every now and then……until they cut him loose.

  7. G. Love June 16th, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Gordon’s post game press conference was really wonderful to watch. I hope he sticks around on the team this year. He’s a great story and someone very easy to root for. I also like the way his ball moved. He was hitting 90 a lot more than advertised and he got it up to 92 a couple of times.

    As for Girardi trying to keep Andruw going, his rationale is ludicrous. I guess they are trying to make sure he has something left to offer before cutting bait on him. That play in LF he jogged to, Gardner may have caught or kept the Rangers to a single there. If you’re going to give up game changing defense he better produce with the bat or he’s a big minus.

    I think when Chavez comes back either Dickerson gets demoted or they waive Andruw. I don’t see him being a big loss but I think the team seems to like him. He must be good in the clubhouse or something or the players have a lot of respect for him.

    Sucks for Posada that we go interleague, but his at bats have been a complete 180 from where they were.

    I think the blow up with Cashman/Girardi was exactly what he needed to get his head on straight.

    To me the message is the Yankees have to be honest with these guys about their performance and if they don’t like it, they better do something about it. Treating Posada and Jeter with kid gloves only creates monsters at this point. The team should challenge these guys if they are not happy with their performances.

  8. LGY June 16th, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    gardner would have caught that ball that dropped when they scored those 2 runs. his fielding is a factor that’s overlooked. forget the platoon

    ——

    Yep.

  9. mick June 16th, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Sitting Arod was why jones played, they needed a #5 to protect Cano, lol…

  10. LGY June 16th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Jones is not a bad LF. He’s alright out there and doesn’t really cost you runs compared to the the average LF.

    Problem is that he costs you runs in comparison to Gardner. Gardy has a huge impact on defense.

  11. PacoDooley June 16th, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    I like the groundswell against Jones I am feeling here! I really don’t see how he brings anything when they sit Gardner. If he was mashing it like Thames was, then you figure you lose some defense and keep a hot bat going in the lineup sometimes. But Jones has no redeeming qualities.

    Hopefully the whole thing will end when they DFA him – maybe if Chavez manages to return and looks healthy enough to stick.

    If this team can get back to being totally healthy (don’t they all say this), then they would be really impressive given how they are playing with no Hughes, Soriano, Jeter or Chavez (yeah, he doesn’t quite count on this list). Too bad there will be no Joba return, but I like the two new guys on the staff…

  12. luis June 16th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    PacoDooley,

    Jeter is not a huge loss either, the kind of production he brings nowadays is almost average to below average

  13. mick June 16th, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    Jones does not have enough of an impact offensively to warrant playing him in the field. Thames was fine last year in that role. This is Gardners time to shine and jones is one loafed play away from a release. I would rather they keep Pena around when Chavez returns. We have plenty of hitting on this team.

  14. blake June 16th, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    LGY,

    Yes….Jones isn’t awful out there….he’s not Marcus Thames defensively….the problem as you say is that he’s a big step down from Gardner defensively and he’s not hitting like Thames did a year ago. Gardner isn’t bad enough offensively vs lefties and Andrew isn’t good enough to warrant the downgrade on defense.

  15. mick June 16th, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    In fact, 2 will have to go when Jeter and Chavez return.
    Good chance it’s Jones and Pena.

  16. mick June 16th, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Cashman deserves credit for getting Gordon and Wade.
    Sending down Pendleton was a godsend.
    The pen looks much better now and will get better when Colon gets back and Gordon joins it.

  17. blake June 16th, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Pena will go down….and my guess is that the DFA Jones when Chavez comes back. I really don’t know what they’ll do with Montero. I thought they would bring him up at some point this summer but I’m starting to wonder now about that…..It’ll be interesting to see what they do if he starts mashing the ball at SWB….

  18. blake June 16th, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Cashman has a knack for finding pitching out there…he finds somebody like Gordon every year that helps the Yankees short term.

  19. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    It’s now MoRoLoNoCo(orey Wade)

  20. G. Love June 16th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    I wish the Yankees could find an OF’er in another teams minors who profiles like the pitchers he finds do. I guess those kind of guys get called up, but I’m sure there’s some decent AAA OF talent out there that is blocked by an organization.

  21. luis June 16th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    It’s a pitty that they haven’t call up Montero as they should, probably because he won’t have enough playing time up here. It could be arranged IMO, but it would mean less playing time for Martin and Posada. I think they should do it so the kid gets his feet wet and ready for next season

  22. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    No matter what we say Pena will go down when Jeter returns and Dickerson for Chavez.

  23. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    Montero won’t get called up unless there’s an emergency.

  24. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    Gordon could battle Nova for the 5th spot.

  25. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Gordon could come crashing back to earth once/if the league adjusts to him. Although the human interest angle is nice, I wouldn’t make too much out of this start.

  26. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Cash loves injecting hungry ballplayers who love the thought of helping out the Yankees and saving their careers .

  27. luis June 16th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Mick,
    Exactly that’s why it”s a pitty, they allways rely on the veteran rather than try the youngster, but the past couple of games have shown how energized the team is with the adition of nunez

  28. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Gordon throwing strikes out of the pen is a real possibility.

  29. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    It beats vastly overpaying for aging pitchers with big names and bigger contracts.

  30. Joe from Long Island June 16th, 2011 at 9:10 pm

    I have never seen more insanely bitter people than this place. The team just won a tight, exciting game, and there’s bit%^&^& and moaning.

  31. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Exactly that’s why it”s a pitty, they allways rely on the veteran rather than try the youngster, but the past couple of games have shown how energized the team is with the adition of nunez
    ==================
    Don’t you think Montero will get his shot, Luis?
    The job is Martin’s for now.
    If he were to be DL’ed, you might see Montero.
    He is not suited to be a BUC.

  32. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    I have never seen more insanely bitter people than this place. The team just won a tight, exciting game, and there’s bit%^&^& and moaning.
    ==========================
    Who here is bithing and moaning?

  33. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Cashman must have been seething over the Soriano move.
    He is picking up relievers at garage sales every other day.

  34. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    Rah rah sis boom bah the yankees won a ballgame, is that better?

  35. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    “He is picking up relievers at garage sales every other day.”

    Because he understands that relievers’ careers are characterized by more variability than any other position, so it makes no sense to pay a king’s ransom for almost all of them. Although, he does have a propensity to violate his own rule for LOOOGYs.

  36. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    You’re heart’s not into it, Mick.

  37. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    “Rah rah sis boom bah the yankees won a ballgame, is that better

    Hey, anyone who thinks that people shouldn’t state that Gardner should get more PT are entitled to their opinion, but if that’s what they are bemoaning, it’s their problem.

  38. Mike Ri June 16th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    not sure if this was posted …. per RAB.com

    Brian Cashman told reporters today that the reason Jesus Montero has not been called up is because he wants him to play everyday rather than serve as Russell Martin’s backup and get occasional at-bats at DH. “Is Montero better than [Francisco Cervelli]? Yes he is,” said Cashman, continuing his theme of brutal honesty. I can certainly see why they would prefer to do this, but … I mean … how long are they willing to wait for a full-time spot to open up? What if one doesn’t until next season?

  39. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    I go to many garage sales and have never seen a loogy yet.
    People don’t tend to part with them easily.
    Unless they are broken , of course, then buyer beware.

  40. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    but … I mean … how long are they willing to wait for a full-time spot to open up? What if one doesn’t until next season?
    ===================
    This is a team game.
    It’s not about appeasing the fans.
    Montero will be up, or traded, when the team needs him.

  41. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    He told Francesa the same thing. I think it’s strange because I don’t think Martin or Montero should catch a ton of games; they might both benefit from splitting time. Of course, if it’s only temporary, while they finish off Montero’s development for a few months, ok.

  42. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    When Cashman makes his moves in the next 45 days then we’ll either see Montero up or part of a trade package.

  43. Mike Ri June 16th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    i don’t know Rich. . seems like Cashman wants him in the lineup everyday.. either catching or Dh’ing .. sounds to me he’ll be traded … just my opinion

  44. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    I just don’t get the idea of trading Montero. They’d probably be better off trading high on Martin.

  45. luis June 16th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    mick,

    I think they should give him the shot, in fact there is an easy way to do it: catch martin four days a week, you keep him rested, the rest to montero plus a couple of dh days a week. You introduce him to the big show in a controled way. But i don’t think is going to happen. In September we might see him or a dl stint of martin, wich is why i think they should call him up, i don’t think martin can endure more than three to four days a week behind the plate if they want to keep him healthy

  46. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Perhaps you have a higher opinion of Montero than they do Rich.

  47. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    I really would like to read their internal scouting reports of their own prospects.

  48. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    Why can’t he be looked at as the catcher of the future?
    He is not a BUC and Posada is the DH.
    Why is this so hard to understand?

  49. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    It’s not even that, Craw, even though I’m hardly alone. As I have said, if they traded him for a big-time position player 28 or under, fine. But with Posada on his way out, Jeter in an offensive decline. A-Rod turning 36, Martin often hurt, and Swisher being a huge question mark, trading him for pitching seems to defy logic.

  50. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    Actually, how they’re handing Montero by keeping him in AAA reminds me of the Posada situation 14-15 years ago.

  51. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    luis

    i see your point and could see that happening, easing him in slowly, possible getting the righty DH over Posada, if he doesn’t pick it up from the right side and catching 2-3 games a week.

    Maybe when they get rid of Jones and Cervelli and Chavez gets back , after the ASB.

  52. Ace June 16th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Monteros value on market is higher if he’s catching everyday. U don’t want him here and he doesn’t catch or even get at bats

  53. Against All Odds June 16th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    # Mike Ri June 16th, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    i don’t know Rich. . seems like Cashman wants him in the lineup everyday.. either catching or Dh’ing .. sounds to me he’ll be traded … just my opinion

    ————————————————–

    that would suck but hey it’s the Yankees and prospects so it should be expected

  54. luis June 16th, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Posada is the past, if you have to sit him in order to give montero playing time , so be it

  55. Mike Ri June 16th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Personally . .. i think they’re keeping Montero in AAA because if he comes up and stinks up the place ( which is pretty normal during a transition period ) .. he’ll lose trade value….

    Pitching is what wins in this game .. and Montero is the key to landing a top notch pitcher…

  56. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    “Monteros value on market is higher if he’s catching everyday. U don’t want him here and he doesn’t catch or even get at bats”

    IMO, that’s what Cashman is thinking which is counter to what some Yankee fans like Rich feel about it.

  57. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Trading Montero would be like trading Jeter in 1995.

  58. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    Rich,

    I have to admit, I’m not as high on Montero as you are.

  59. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    they have the luxury of letting montero develop.
    po is a professional hitter and is picking it up but will be gone next year.
    there is no hurry to rush montero.
    they must not think it’s that necessary right now to bring him up for his or the team’s sake or that he just is not ready yet.
    have to trust their judgment, they know better than we.

  60. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Craw

    Even if you’re not high on him, do you disagree that they need to add young, impact bats?

  61. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    “Even if you’re not high on him, do you disagree that they need to add young, impact bats?”

    Yes, but I don’t think they feel it’s as pressing a need as you do.

  62. LGY June 16th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Why was Buttholes pulled early?

  63. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    By the way, I’m high on Montero, but I was moreso two years ago than I am now.

  64. Against All Odds June 16th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Yes, but I don’t think they feel it’s as pressing a need as you do.

    ——————————–

    that’s short sighted on their part

  65. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Craw

    It’s not about being pressing (at least for this season), it’s about where is that bat(s) coming from when they only have one impact bat at AAA (is there one at AA?).

    They aren’t signing Reyes, and I’m unaware of any big time OF impeding FA, so where’s that bat coming from?

  66. Tom in N.J. June 16th, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Cashman today:

    “If Montero comes, I want him to come and play,” Cashman said. “I don’t want him to come and sit and play once every five days. It is not like we are going to swing him over to the DH spot and get at-bats that way.”

    Montero could be used in a trade, but Cashman said, though, he is talking to other GMs, nothing is hot.

    “I’ve told everyone out there, I’m up for the incremental upgrades and the significant upgrades,” Cashman said.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....um=twitter

  67. luis June 16th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    ” have to trust their judgment, they know better than we”"

    Thats the most compeling argument, lol

  68. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    They don’t even know if Martin will be back next year.
    If that’s the case they could be grooming Montero for the fulltime job.
    Bringing him up at the right time and easing him in seems to be their goal.

  69. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Their judgment on trading Montero for Lee would have sucked, if he was a hellbent on playing in Philly as it seems.

  70. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    They control Martin in 2012.

  71. LGY June 16th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    By the way, I’m high on Montero, but I was moreso two years ago than I am now.

    ——

    How?

  72. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    Rich,

    Ask Cashman he’s the one with the answers.

  73. Mike Ri June 16th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    damn . .i hate to see this kid get traded .. be nice to see some of our “own” come up and play

  74. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    “How?”

    His pitch recognition was better at Trenton than it is now.

  75. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Craw

    Cash answers to others. If only he had full autonomy…..

  76. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    I thought Martin had a 1 year deal.

  77. LGY June 16th, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Buttholz back acting up again. Removed with lower back stiffness.

  78. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Rich,

    No GM has full autonomy!

  79. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Mick,

    Martin is not eligible for free agency until after 2012.

  80. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Craw

    Most GM get a budget and can do whatever they want with it. Not Cash.

  81. blake June 16th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    I do think at this point the Yankees are keeping Montero down at least in part because his trade value is higher as an every day player in AAA than a bench player in the big leagues…..doing this just in case something comes along that makes sense in a trade. The deadline this.year is probably it for Montero…..either he is dealt now or they bring him up in the 2nd half and he becomes part of the team…..Im betting on the latter.

  82. luis June 16th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Guys,

    Haven’t you noticed how energized the team has played the last couple of games? it’s early but i think this team is playing with character, IMO it comes from putting on the field young and energetic players with some veterans to lead the way.

  83. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Rich,

    Are you sure about that?

  84. LGY June 16th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    His pitch recognition was better at Trenton than it is now

    ——

    He was facing worse competition and he only had a 181 PAs at Trenton

  85. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    I think the RS series embarrassed the team, and they are making other teams pay.

  86. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Craw

    Yes.

  87. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:45 pm

    Russell Martin c
    1 year/$4M (2011)

    * 1 year/$4M (2011)
    o signed by NY Yankees as a free agent 12/15/10
    o performance bonuses based on games as catcher: $50,000 each for 30, 35; $75,000 for 40 and each additional 5 games through 120

  88. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Blake,

    I agree with you. Montero will be up after the trade deadline as I don’t think there is a good enough player available to trade him for.

  89. Mike Ri June 16th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Blake -

    If he comes up in the second half . . . Doesn’t that move go against Cashmans statement ? He said he wants Montero to play everyday.

  90. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Rich,

    Well you can believe that, but none of us know for sure.

  91. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    “If he comes up in the second half . . . Doesn’t that move go against Cashmans statement ? He said he wants Montero to play everyday.”

    I’ve learned a long time ago not to take what Cashman says publicly to heart.

  92. blake June 16th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Martin is an Arb 4 next year. The Yanks can bring him back if they wany..they just have to tender him a contract…..and unless things drastically change Id say they will.

  93. Tar June 16th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Wow– just finished watching the game.

    6 2/3innings of 2 hit ball from pen!

    Gordon- Noesi- Wade Unbelievable.

    And I have been right about Gardner all along-

    He’s not a lead-off hitter—-he’s a #5 hole hitter. :wink:

  94. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Craw

    Actually, I do. In my previous life, I worked for a big law firm that had the owners of various sports teams as clients. So I had the luxury of discussing sports management with them, and this was a topic that I inquired about.

  95. blake June 16th, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    I think they do want Montero to play every day now…..but after the deadline and the playoff push begins …..if he can help them win games I think he will be up. I think Cash is just holding that Ace card for now just in case a handful of pitchers come available…..

  96. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Rich,

    Unless you know the inner workings of the Yankee organization you don’t know how much input Cashman has with how the budget is spent. You can’t simply judge that by what you read or hear in the media.

  97. luis June 16th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    I would trade montero for king felix only, nobody else.

  98. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    Cash has said it himself.

  99. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Cashman has said no such thing!

  100. randy l. June 16th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    “Cash answers to others. If only he had full autonomy…..”

    yeah , how can you argue with all the success he’s had bringing up all those young top of the rotation pitchers and young impact players.

    … and doing it all on a shoestring too :)

    i think cashy ( he really should get that “y” on his name like the players) does his best work when he gets complacent because of all the easy payroll and screws up and then has to scramble his ass off to get the yankees where they need to be.

    he’s not bad as a scrambler, but i think he has that need to screw up first to get his juices going.

  101. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Isn’t Lincecum a FA next year?

  102. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    Whatever. Think what you want. He said it in his appearance with Theo at William Paterson.

  103. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    Cashman didn’t screw up the Soriano screw up.

  104. randy l. June 16th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    “I think the RS series embarrassed the team, and they are making other teams pay.”

    that i would agree with.

  105. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    Mick,

    You need six full years in the majors to be a free agent. Lincecum came up midseason in 2007.

  106. mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Cash is in his walk year, pulling out all stops.
    Garcia and Colon were the start of it.
    Now Wade and Gordon.
    Sometimes too much money can be a bad thing.

  107. Captain Clutch June 16th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    I think Montero is in AAA because they don’t want to start his clock and they don’t think he is ready yet. Either because of his defense or maybe they want him on a hot streak when they bring him up. I don’t believe Cashman at all that it’s playing time because they can definitely find at bats for him if they wanted to. In spring training playing time wasn’t an issue but now it is? That is just bs so they can cover the real reason. If Martin stays healthy he will definitely be back next year so according to Cash we won’t see Montero next year either? When they think he is ready they will make time for him. I don’t think he will be traded because I don’t see an ace pitcher being available.

  108. blake June 16th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    There are probably about a dozen or so players Id trade Montero for…..if none of them are available this summer then Id bring him up in the 2nd half and let the Montero era begin.

  109. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    randy

    I have said that for all practical purposes, it doesn’t what Cash would do with full autonomy. He re-signed as GM knowing what the rules are. What he does with Banuelos and Betances (and I guess, Hughes) will reveal a lot about whether or not he can integrate mL starting pitchers into the rotation. He has not done a good job of it to this point.

  110. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    “Cash is in his walk year, pulling out all stops.
    Garcia and Colon were the start of it.”

    I view Colon and Garcia as the opposite of pulling out all stops.

  111. mick June 16th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    If Martin stays healthy he will definitely be back next year
    ===============================
    This seems to be a big IF.
    Posada is playing for his job and seems to have found his stroke.
    These are the 2 biggest factors keeping Montero down.
    All this talk started when Martin got hurt.
    They are waiting for the perfect storm.

  112. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    Rich,

    I would agree with you on one thing. How Cashman handles Banuelos, Betances and Hughes coming back from injury will show us whether he’s learned anything from his past mistakes of integrating young starting pitchers into the Yankee rotation.

  113. luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    mick,

    I hope you are right, but i rather see Montero up before martin breaks down

  114. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    mick June 16th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
    have to trust their judgment, they know better than we.
    ______
    +1

  115. randy l. June 16th, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    “Cashman didn’t screw up the Soriano screw up.”

    he did create the general consensus that that the yankees were extremely thin with starting pitching for 2011 even though he knew way ahead of time he had to get someone. all the eggs were in the lee basket. that’s on cashman.

    yeah ownership jumped in to get soriano, but they did it t balance out a starting pitching weakness that was cashman’s job to take care of.

    but it’s water over the dam. they don’t have a strong starting staff, but they are patching together enough decent starts to win games.

    and yes they are stuck with soriano , but maybe he’ll end up helping in the end like marte did.

    as i said cashman scrambles well , and right now the gordon story is the latest example. great story by the way. you have to pull for the guy.

  116. Nick in SF June 16th, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    I would also like to see Andruw going.

    What? That’s not what Girardi said?

    :cry:

  117. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Randy,

    I think that’s BS! Ownership jumped in because of the perception that the Yankees weren’t doing anything while the Red Sox were acquiring Crawford and Gonzales.

  118. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    randy

    I think the suits signed Soriano because they had money leftover after Lee spurned them, panicked with the RS acquisitions, and had no other place to spend it.

  119. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    In my previous life,
    __________
    Wow! You recall your previous lives too?! I thought it was only me. I rode with El Cid against the Moors in Spain, and was with Napoleon in the battle of Moscow. Tough times, my friend.

  120. mick June 16th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    It will be interesting to see who goes to the pen or AAA when Colon and Hughes return.
    If Gordon and Garcia go to the pen, Marquez and ?? have to go.

  121. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    BoJo

    I always thought of you as a porno director.

  122. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    “I think the suits signed Soriano because they had money leftover after Lee spurned them, panicked with the RS acquisitions, and had no other place to spend it.”

    There you go……

  123. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    I want ot see Nunez become the RH OFer option, and Chavez and Pena the back up INF.

    I really like what Cashman is doing this year. May be his finest season ever.

  124. mick June 16th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    I hope we don’t need Soriano at that point.

  125. randy l. June 16th, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    for what it’s worth, i watched one swing from montero and decided he was going to be a star.

    i haven’t changed my mind.

    he’ll come up when it’s his time.

    it’s not a bad thing that the yankees are having him catch at scranton.

    i think it’s getting close to him coming up. i’d be surprised to not see him by the all star break.

  126. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
    BoJo

    I always thought of you as a porno director.
    ______
    That’s only an aspiration, not a prior life.

  127. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    I am really liking the depth we will have after the All Star break, and when we get all our injured players back, we will have a depth of riches with which to make a trade.

  128. Tar June 16th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    “I think the suits signed Soriano because they had money leftover after Lee spurned them, panicked with the RS acquisitions, and had no other place to spend it.”

    Wait.. I thought they used up the whole budget on Jeter.

    J/K

  129. Crawdaddy June 16th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Injuries can be a constant throughout the MLB season.

  130. luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Bojo,

    You are hilarious!!! keep it up, but please don’t fight with wcyf

  131. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    BTW–I can see them bringing Swish back next year, but not how one might expect it.

    I think they decline his option, and offer an incentive laden package instead. Knowing how Swish loves NY, he might take it.

    He would be the valuable RH OF/1B?DH if we acquire a RFer over him. Could serve as a very valuable bench player.

    Time will tell…I would love him in that role…and can see him getting significant playing time.

  132. mick June 16th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    In the middle of finding these pitching finds Cash has created a competition among the relievers as to who will stay when Colon, Hughes and Soriano come around.
    Interesting concept Cash.

  133. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
    Bojo,

    You are hilarious!!! keep it up, but please don’t fight with wcyf
    ____
    I never pick the fights, but rarely walk away.

  134. blake June 16th, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Rays mounting a 9th inning rally against Papelbum

  135. blake June 16th, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    then they screwed up small ball and bunted a line drive to Youkalis with 1st and 2nd and 0 outs

  136. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    The thing I love most about what Cash is doing is that he is beating every other GM to the talent he finds. I thought Golson, Maxwell, Dickerson, Gordon, Wade, Chavez, Garcia, Colon, and Martin were all inspired pick ups….his only so-so pick up was Andruw Jones…who still might play a role.

  137. luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    bojo,

    I know that

  138. mick June 16th, 2011 at 10:20 pm

    I thought Golson, Maxwell, Dickerson, Gordon, Wade, Chavez, Garcia, Colon, and Martin were all inspired pick ups…
    =========================
    see what budget constaints can do to make a creative GM.

  139. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    see what budget constaints can do to make a creative GM.
    ___________
    I think Cashman must be very happy with the constraints. Gives him a chance to win Exec of Year…and finally gain the respect he feels he desires and has been denied (the sense I have gotten from listening to him in the past)

  140. Nick in SF June 16th, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    “Wait.. I thought they used up the whole budget on Jeter.”

    That was Jeter’s original plan. :cry:

  141. mick June 16th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    just in case you missed it:

    we now have a pen of MoRoLo(gan),No(esi),Co(rey Wade)

    that is MoRoLoNoCo

    not

    MoJoRoSoLo

  142. Yank1 June 16th, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Aside from 1\2 a season, Montero’s AAA career has been disappointing. Whether it is pressing, bordem, etc. He has to do better than a sub .800 OPS if he wants to be called up. The amount of time he has put up underwhelming numbers exceeds the 2 months that he put up great numbers.

    The Yanks simply need to see more consistency from him and he has to be able to handle breaking pitches better than he has.

    I also don’t think offering him for pitchers like Lee and Halladay is shortsighted. You can always find offense. Maybe not young, cost-controlled guys at premium positions, but every year, there are Adam Dunn/Beltres/Gurreros, etc out there. And there are tons of hitters with bad contracts that can be acquired via trade.

  143. mick June 16th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    Gives him a chance to win Exec of Year…
    ===========================
    Cash is like Reyes, doing it in his walk year.

  144. West Coast Yankee Fan June 16th, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    LOL! Oh big tough guy – never walks away. What a sissy little girl you are acting tough on the internet. Calling people in the middle of the night, etc. Hope we meet someday.

  145. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    mick June 16th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
    Gives him a chance to win Exec of Year…
    ===========================
    Cash is like Reyes, doing it in his walk year.
    _______
    True…If he hires Scott Boras, I say let him walk

  146. mick June 16th, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    I feel a fight coming on and since I am a pacifist and just want to talk baseball I will take leave.

  147. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan June 16th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
    LOL! Oh big tough guy – never walks away. What a sissy little girl you are acting tough on the internet. Calling people in the middle of the night, etc. Hope we meet someday.
    _______
    See Luis?

    WCYF–I dare you to post the CT number that called you in the night. I repeat–I don’t have a CT phone line…and yet you continue to make false accusations.

    By the way, I’ve been to the bank twice already this week, but still haven’t received those “repercussions” you said I could take to the bank. Did you send them out yet?

  148. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    It’s okay Mick. I am not going to be wasting time fighting him…he lives for that…and I have better things to do. I love talking Yankee baseball and joking around, but am tired of the attention-seeking trolling that comes from the west coast.

  149. luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    This one is my fault, sorry

  150. Ghostwriter June 16th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    This one is my fault, sorry
    ———————————–

    That wasn’t your fault. Don’t blame yourself.

  151. luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    yes it was, bad joke from my part

  152. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Hey GW! How goes it tonight?

  153. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
    This one is my fault, sorry
    _______
    Just NEVER EVER do it again!!!

    :-)

  154. luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:40 pm

    In to another subject,

    How do you grade Nunez performance so far?

  155. Ghostwriter June 16th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Great game today. Gordon looked very credible out there today, and the bullpen was awesome. I love how Gardy came up with the big game-winning hit against the lefty–poetic justice.

  156. AldotheApache June 16th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    You boys behave!

    Nunez brings a good bat to the lineup. Great backup.

  157. Ghostwriter June 16th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Hey GW! How goes it tonight?
    ———————————-

    All is well! I just finished watching the game a little while ago. I’m glad that I decided to record it. How about yourself?

  158. luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Ghost,

    exactly! stick it up joe!! bench me again

  159. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
    In to another subject,

    How do you grade Nunez performance so far?
    ___________
    The kid is smashing his way into a bigger role…which is why I keep calling for a move to RF. He reminded GB or Pat M today of a young Henry aaron or Ernie Banks…I think of a young Soriano or Jimmy Wynn. A lot of talent.

  160. Ghostwriter June 16th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    Nunez’s defense is shaky, but I like his bat. He’s nowhere near displacing Jeter in the lineup.

  161. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    How about yourself?
    __________
    Doing well thank you. Tomorrow I turn 55, and I am dropping hints to wife in hopes I get lucky. Yep–want her to mow the frickin lawn.

  162. luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Aldo,

    The thing is that i think jeter getting hurt, was a blessing in disguise….. we’ll see

  163. luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Bojo,

    I’m not thinking RF but more playing time at ss

  164. luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    Ghost,

    Let him play a little longer, he might suprise you

  165. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
    Bojo,

    I’m not thinking RF but more playing time at ss
    ________
    I still think Wally Jeter is steadier for the balls he reaches…and still turns 2 better.

  166. AldotheApache June 16th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Damn you’re old Boj!

  167. Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    “He’s nowhere near displacing Jeter in the lineup.”

    That would be true if he was batting 1.000 and flawless in the field.

  168. Ghostwriter June 16th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    Swisher’s spot in the lineup is a lot more vulnerable than Jeter’s.

  169. Jerkface June 16th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Norton has a severely torn labrum, welp so much for better than joba guy.

  170. Triple Short of a Cycle June 16th, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    What a brutal met loss tonight

  171. Ghostwriter June 16th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Rich in NJ June 16th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    “He’s nowhere near displacing Jeter in the lineup.”

    That would be true if he was batting 1.000 and flawless in the field.
    ————————

    That’s probably true. Life isn’t fair, or maybe it is…

  172. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    AldotheApache June 16th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
    Damn you’re old Boj!
    ____________
    Catching up to you!

  173. Yank1 June 16th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    K-Rod blows save in 9th on 2R HR
    Mets lose in 10th on balk. There were 2 outs with no one on too.

  174. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Jerkface June 16th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
    Norton has a severely torn labrum, welp so much for better than joba guy.
    ___________
    That is one brutal injury…very hard to come back from…too bad for the kid

  175. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    I wonder what impact Colon’s treatment would have on a torn labrum…

  176. luis June 16th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Jerk,

    it’s a shame so many injuries….

    Bojo,

    happy birthday in advance!!

    Rich,

    true, but that doesn’t mean that right now i think nunez is an upgrade over jeter when you take his offense in to account

  177. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    Thanks Luis.

  178. Tom in N.J. June 16th, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    The Lohud mets blog guy writes poetry :

    Game 69: Braves 9, Mets 8 (10 innings)

    A game-ending balk?!?

    Silver-lining comeback, but

    A ludicrous cloud

    http://mets.lohudblogs.com/

  179. luis June 16th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Later guys, have a good one,

    see ya tomorrow

  180. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    I wasn’t even aware they had a Mets blog here…and apparently not too many Mets fans are aware of it either.

  181. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    GN Luis

  182. BoJo June 16th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Good night night people. Enjoy the rest of the evening.

  183. GreenBeret7 June 16th, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Brackman came out of the bullpen for an inning. 15 pitches, 12 strikes. Facing 3 former Yankees. Strikeout swinging of Shelly Duncan, groundout of Nick Johnson, strikeout swinging of Chad Huffman.

  184. Yank1 June 16th, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    “Brackman came out of the bullpen for an inning. 15 pitches, 12 strikes. Facing 3 former Yankees. Strikeout swinging of Shelly Duncan, groundout of Nick Johnson, strikeout swinging of Chad Huffman.”

    This bullpen could be nasty nasty nasty

  185. fiveironfromfenway June 16th, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    A brash prediction – Andrew Brackman will be in NY by August and will become Joba 2.0. Seriously, his very poor performance and at least for me, the injury to Joba that takes him out of the bullpen for the next 12 – 18 months probably contributed to the conversion.
    Tonight is Brackman’s second relief appearance. He came on in the eight and went 3 up and 3 down with two strikeouts against Shelly Duncan, Nick Johnson and Chad Huffman all guys with MLB service time. Patrick Teale at Pinstripes Plus has been on record for quite some time saying that Brackmans stuff plays up in the pen and that is probably his optimal spot.

  186. Bx is Burning June 16th, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    A perfect haiku, Tom.

  187. tyanksfan36 June 16th, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    GB

    I sent you an email. Hope it went through and I didnt send it to someone random as I was typing and(not) driving…

  188. m June 16th, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Gag. Wallace is talking about Zambrano. Can’t get in and out of Chicago fast enough.

  189. Nick in SF June 16th, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    Problem with Chicago? Wrigley?

  190. Pat M. June 16th, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    GB…..Brackman dominating out of the pen, no really ???? Nick Johnson, what organization took a flyer on Nick ???

  191. Jerkface June 16th, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    Cleveland

  192. ron June 17th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Heredia is on fire & gary sanchez is coming around.

  193. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Nick needs Colon’s doctor or work on him from head to toe.

  194. Jerkface June 17th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    Nick needs so many stem cells that by the time he’s done with treatment he is gonna be a different person.

  195. Pat M. June 17th, 2011 at 12:04 am

    Yanks at Wrigley……..Bombs away !!!! Starlin Castro is going to entertain Yankee fans

  196. Nick in SF June 17th, 2011 at 12:13 am

    They’re going to need shovel ready stem cells to repair Waveland and Sheffield from all the bombs we’re going to drop. :mad:

  197. yankeefeminista June 17th, 2011 at 12:14 am

    Staten Island Yanks roster info is up: http://www.silive.com/siyankee.....er_st.html

    Heckuva roster and uber-armed Bryan Mitchell is likely to start tomorrow.

  198. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2011 at 12:18 am

    I wouldn’t been fun to see a Soriano v. Soriano matchup at Wrigley. I’m pretty sure that Soriano would have prevailed.

  199. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2011 at 12:19 am

    *It would have been*

    I always know I’m tired when my typing sucks worse than usual.

    GN

  200. Nick in SF June 17th, 2011 at 12:20 am

    Freudian slip. Soriano appearances haven’t been much fun. :cry:

  201. kd June 17th, 2011 at 12:21 am

    pat m,

    sterlin castro would be perfect for the bombers. 4 more years till free agency.

    you mentioned once that beckett got an epidural. how long do you think before he breaks down?

  202. Pat M. June 17th, 2011 at 12:33 am

    kd…….My shots generally last 6 months, I have to think being a starting pitcher maybe 4 months…..

  203. kd June 17th, 2011 at 12:35 am

    thanks pat. so he’ll break down just in time for the playoffs

  204. ron June 17th, 2011 at 12:49 am

    How good can he really be?

    4 hr in over 730 ab,career .752 ops.

    Nice average,nice glove but i like a player with a little more power,even though power is on the decline.

    Speaking of decline,what the crap is going on with hanley???

  205. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2011 at 1:00 am

    Pat M., Nick johnson latched onto the Indians.

  206. m June 17th, 2011 at 2:34 am

    http://sports.espn.go.com/new-.....id=6670810

    Feel good story about Gordon.

    Ironically enough Nolan Ryan helped convert Gordon to pitcher. Sad, though, that it took so long for someone to give him a shot at it.

  207. GreenBeret7 June 17th, 2011 at 6:26 am

    Thesse are the Cubs, offensive numbers against Freddy Garcia, as recent as last year,

    http://www.baseball-reference......ubmitter=1

  208. blake June 17th, 2011 at 6:58 am

    IPK last night: 8 IP, 0 ER, 10 K, 1 BB. ERA is now 2.98.

    You still make that trade from Granderson in a heartbeat….but Kennedy continues to be the loss in that deal….not Jackson.

    Kinda excited about Yankees at Wrigley….2 of 3 against the Cubbies at a minimum. Yanks are Sox are starting to pull away from the rest of the East a little bit now…..

  209. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2011 at 7:14 am

    You do, blake, but you also have to wonder what other packages, if any, were discussed that may not have included IPK.

  210. blake June 17th, 2011 at 7:18 am

    Rich,
    There may have been…..but the Dbacks got hosed pretty bad in the trade so Im sure they wanted something good in return. They traded Scherzer to get Kennedy

  211. PacoDooley June 17th, 2011 at 7:21 am

    Yeah, IPK has really come on of late, but it is the NL and he is facing a lot of weak teams in his division. He plus Jackson (who has really regressed to the player he probably is now that his BABIP has come back to earth) stings given the Granderson we saw last year, but his guy that is now playing at an MVP level is worth that trade and then some.

  212. blake June 17th, 2011 at 7:30 am

    Buster on mike and mike this morning already speculating about the Yanks making a run at Reyes this winter…..don’t be shocked if they do.

    Obviously they’d have to talk to Jeter first and work out some sort of plan there…..but if they could get Reyes on a 5 year deal or so (in which most of that would be prime years) then Id look in to it. 28 year old SS that knows how to play in NY already don’t grow on trees.

  213. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Maybe the more interesting question is why Detroit didn’t want IPK?

  214. blake June 17th, 2011 at 7:34 am

    Detroit wanted Scherzer and that’s worked out pretty well for them…..he has more upside than Kennedy does.

  215. Rich in NJ June 17th, 2011 at 7:34 am

    I am beginning to think that the Mets can’t afford to risk Reyes ending up with the Yankees; the PR hit would reverberate for years, but maybe they have no choice.

  216. blake June 17th, 2011 at 7:39 am

    The Mets couldn’t bid as much as the Yankees for Reyes if the Yanks really targeted him. The thing with them….and the interesting thing with this loan that Wilpon did…..is that the only way he can pay it back is if the Mets make money and the fans come to the games……they already don’t come to the games so if they start trading off pieces they may revolt and really not come at all. I don’t think there is any way they can trade Reyes bcause he’s their biggest draw……they’ll probably hold on to him and try to sign him this winter id imagine. The loan to help try to keep the team is likely going to hold back what the Mets need to do……which is rebuild.

  217. ron June 17th, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Losing kennedy hurts.

    He is turning into an ace,if not already.

    He has the strikeouts to go with it also.

    AL,NL,don’t really care.

    When you are giving up 22 less hits than innings pitched,2.98 era,1.05 whip & the league is batting .217 against him,those are ace numbers.

    The only thing he has to do is continue.

  218. Betsy June 17th, 2011 at 8:11 am

    No way ever I’d give Reyes 5 years. How many great years has he had – and how often has he been injured? He’s having this year on his walk year, so no thanks to Reyes and a long term deal. Buster’s an idiot – where exactly would Jeter play? I have no desire to see him play any position in the OF – he’d be the weakest bat in the majors in any OF position and really, who the heck even knows if he could play it?

  219. Betsy June 17th, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Ron, IPK is a very good pitcher, but he’s not an ace yet – it takes a lot more than a full year and a half to develop into one. You had to give him up to get Granderson – and I’m thrilled to have Grandy. The reason why it hurts to have lost him is because Joba and Phil have not lived up to expectations.

  220. Betsy June 17th, 2011 at 8:13 am

    That said, while clearly his #s have something to do with being in the NL, I don’t think it’s fair to say he’s an NL pitcher. I said that before – that is, I thought he was just an NL pitcher -but I don’t think so. While he might not be Felix or Lester in the AL, he’d be a lot better in this league than I thought he originally would be – simply because he’s a lot better of a pitcher than I ever thought he would be.

  221. ron June 17th, 2011 at 8:30 am

    It’s scary.

    Kennedy has very similar numbers to lee & halladay.

    Better hits than innings pitched ,better baa,same whip as halladay,better whip than lee,era very close.

    Strikeouts a little lower.

  222. blake June 17th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Betsy,

    I’d take Reyes on a 5 year deal if they could work something out with Jeter….I don’t know if they could or not. People worry too much about where guys play and their offense relative to that position….all that matters is putting the best 9 you can on the field.

    For example…if they signed Reyes, picked up Swisher’s option and traded him, and then moved Jeter to RF……they would essentially be replacing Swisher with Reyes in the lineup. The SS defense would improve and that position would be set long term, and the RF defense would improve as well most likely. So while yes…..Jeter would probably be one of the weaker hitting RFer’s in the league…..the team would be better overall IMO.

    That’s an unlikely scenerio but I could see them finding a way to make it work.

    Also, the “NL pitcher” is a myth….pitcher’s numbers are a little better in the NL because they face pitchers….but a guy that can pitch can pitch in both leagues. Kennedy would be solid in either league IMO……probably a #3 or 4 in the AL east….but that’s very valuable.

  223. Betsy June 17th, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Blake, even if you forget the Jeter issue, I just don’t think Reyes is worth that kind of committment. Back to Jeter, though, what makes you think he’d be any kind of improvement over Swisher in RF? He’s old, he’s obviously not that quick anymore, and his arm would be questionable. We really have no clue if he could even catch routine fly balls out there.

  224. blake June 17th, 2011 at 8:48 am

    Betsy,

    Jeter is a better athlete right now than Swisher is….by a good margin. I’ve always thought he’d be a good outfielder…..plus he’s under contract for at least 2 more years after this and Swisher isn’t. If outfielder upgrades aren’t available then they should try to improve the team any way they can.

    Reyes is a really good player when he’s healthy…..he’s on pace for 230+ hits this year. I’m probably the biggest Derek Jeter fan on this blog….but good SS’s are so hard to find that when yours will be 38 next year….and there is one good one that’s 28 available….I think you have to at least consider the possibility and if you can make it work.

  225. RadioKev June 17th, 2011 at 8:49 am

    I’d take Reyes on a 5 year deal if they could work something out with Jeter….I don’t know if they could or not. People worry too much about where guys play and their offense relative to that position….all that matters is putting the best 9 you can on the field.
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    And there’s no way Reyes is signing a 5 year contract. Between 6 – 8 years.

  226. Mike Ri June 17th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    And there’s no way Reyes is signing a 5 year contract. Between 6 – 8 years—

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    I agree . .he wants years. . .he’s going to want a Carl Crawford type deal.

  227. Ghostwriter June 17th, 2011 at 8:52 am

    I’m pretty excited about his afternoon’s game–day baseball in Wrigley Field is not an everryday occurrence for a Yankee fan. For kicks, I was looking over the Cubs batting stats, and Zamabrano’s hitting line this year (.313 .353 .469 .822) caught my eye. Sure it’s only 32 ABs, but those are great numbers for anybody, let alone a pitcher. And no, I’m not interested in the Yanks trading for him….

  228. Ghostwriter June 17th, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Mike Ri June 17th, 2011 at 8:51 am

    And there’s no way Reyes is signing a 5 year contract. Between 6 – 8 years—

    —–

    I agree . .he wants years. . .he’s going to want a Carl Crawford type deal.
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    What he wants and what he will get are two separate things. However, I’m often surprised by MLB teams willingness to bid against themselves. Hopefully, the Yanks won’t get involved in foolishly trying to sign him. We’ve got Jeter, and Nunez looks like he has potential.

  229. blake June 17th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    “And there’s no way Reyes is signing a 5 year contract. Between 6 – 8 years”

    probably….but he also wants to stay in NY as well though from what I’ve read. He gave the Mets a discount once before. Look I don’t know what it would take to sign him….it may be more than I’d pay…..I’m just saying that if he hits free agency then I think they should look in to what it would take and I’m sure they will.

    Ideally I’d like it if the Yankees could sign or trade for a young outfielder with big upside…..but that may not be possible right now.

  230. RadioKev June 17th, 2011 at 8:58 am

    What he wants and what he will get are two separate things.
    ———

    Eh, as you mentioned the precedent has been set. He’ll get it. Teams will have to settle for some decline years in order to get the prime time years. He’s the biggest SS heading to FA for a while, and many teams will be interested.

    Still better than the Werth contract.

  231. Tom in N.J. June 17th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Before this year, Reyes’s career OPS+ was 101. He highest single season OPS+ was 118.

    This year-a contract year-it’s +154. Lets some other team sign him to a Crawford like deal.

  232. mick June 17th, 2011 at 9:03 am

    but he also wants to stay in NY as well though from what I’ve read.
    ================================
    what he meant was that he wants to get the Yankees involved.

  233. Ghostwriter June 17th, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Tom in N.J. June 17th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Before this year, Reyes’s career OPS+ was 101. He highest single season OPS+ was 118.

    This year-a contract year-it’s +154. Lets some other team sign him to a Crawford like deal.
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    Not to mention that before this year, he hadn’t played a full season since ’08.

  234. Mike Ri June 17th, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Since we are looking down the road….. I’ll tell you one guy I hope we check out . CJ Wilson.

    Now i know he’s 30. .and he recently coverted from reliever to starter.. But the last 2 years have been really formidable … if we could squeeze a nice 3 or 4 year deal for him to be our number 2 or 3 pitcher .. i’d be so happy.

    plus he’s killing it on my fantasy team . . LOL LOL


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