Rose on Jeter: “The type of player you’d want to break my record”
Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 18, 2011 
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The L.A. Times recently published a Q&A of sorts with Pete Rose. A lot of it centered on Buster Posey’s injury and the role of steroids in baseball, but there was also this bit about Derek Jeter’s pursuit of 3,000 hits and possibly Rose’s hits record.
On Jeter, 36, and his 2,994 hits, which is slightly ahead of the pace Rose set, though Rose played until he was 45:
“It’s like this. In order to get 3,000 hits, you have to be consistent, which Jeter is. If Jeter beat my record, I’d be a happy guy. He’s the type of player you’d want to break my record. He’s a winner, plays all the time, plays hurt, can hit a baseball, world champion many, many times over. . . . You take your hat off to him.
“If he ever broke my record, I’d be the first one to congratulate him. It’d be tough. I pretty much dominated until I was 37 years old, and it’s tough to do that.”
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RadioKev June 18th, 2011 at 9:03 am
I haven’t closely followed Tex’s career enough to know this, but could the average drop be due to the shift? How many years has the league been shifting to pull on him?
MTU,
Morning yourself…..how are you? Yea Manny blew up in the 4th last night….growing pains.
Tex is a better hitter from the right side…..his career numbers show that. He does have more power from the left side as his swing from that side is designed primarily to hit the long ball…..he’s just not going to be able to hit for much average from that side with the way he swings….especially as he ages.. He’s a better pure hitter from his natural side
I listened to Trenton on the radio……just sounded like command issues again to me on the 4th. He was getting behind and then leaving pitches over the plate…..at least that’s what it sounded like.
Talking about Jeter playing until he is 45 is silly at this point.
Blake-
Been busy doing my thing. You ? How’s the little ss doing ?
Perhaps I was a little too optimistic on Banuelos ?
I had him in the top 10 in all the minors by the end of the season.
Jeter isn’t breaking Roses record…..he’s not going to play until he’s 45……but he could get 3,500 or so hits and that would be cool.
MTU,
Nah….I think he will still be there. Just a bump in the road.
He’s doing great…..growin like a weed.
Rich in NJ June 18th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Talking about Jeter playing until he is 45 is silly at this point.
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Yeah, seems unlikely at this point, unless he gets some insane second wind.
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Ghostwriter June 18th, 2011 at 9:22 am
The talk about Tex and his batting average is misguided, and a little myopic, putting too much emphasis on his down year in 2010. Tex generally doesn’t start to heat up with the bat until July. Over the 3-year period from 2008 through 2010, Tex hit .260/.359/.490/.850 from March trough June, and .310/.399/.574/.973 from July Through October. So, if Tex holds true to his recent historical norms, then he will end the year at about .281/.389/.559/.941. In other words, Tex looks like he is well on pace to matching his 2009 year with the Yanks. In fact, I think that he is in a very strong position to have his best year ever, considering that he is on a 50-homer pace. AGon is going to have a rough go of it through the remainder of the year.
BTW, his lefty-righty splits don’t support the theory that he becomes homer-happy from the left side. Thus far in 2011, Tex is hitting:.251/.379/.569/.948 from the left, and .253/.340/.494/.834 from the right. In short, Tex has significantly more power from the left than the right, but hits for about the same average as the right side. With these kinds of numbers, it’s hard to make the case that Tex has been getting himself out, batting left-handed.
Rose did benefit from playing on turf his whole career though….think how many more hits Jeter may have had sneak through the infield had he had the assistance of Astrodirt.
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yankeefeminista June 18th, 2011 at 9:22 am
MTU, no substantive info b/c he was on the road and I didn’t listen to the game until he was already exiting. However, from stats, 3IP, 17 batters, the 3 BB’s and 5 runs, I am guessing the usual FB command issues cropped up in the bottom of the 4th. Manny gave up a homer to the same guy, Maldonado, that he previously had given up a dinger to in a previous game vs. the B-Mets. Although the former might have been wind-blown, Maldonado has Manny’s # so far this year. The good news though is that Manny’s first 3 innings were clean, 3 K’s, 2 GO’s and only 1 hit. So, he was seemingly economical (although could have run up pitch counts. Both the Trenton B’s need to go to less full counts) and efficient up until then. Manny imploded in the bottom of the 4th, wrapping 2 walks around Maldonado’s homer. Then gave up two doubles and a single and was pulled. I expect he will be better in his next outing
MTU June 18th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Blake-
Been busy doing my thing. You ? How’s the little ss doing ?
Perhaps I was a little too optimistic on Banuelos ?
I had him in the top 10 in all the minors by the end of the season.
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It is early and Manny had FB command issues last year before corralling the extra velocity. I expect him to adjust again this year.
It’s long ways from 3,000 to 4,256. Still, Rose and I finally agree on something, Jeter is exactly the kind of guy that I would like to see break Rose’s record. Jeter plays the game hard, and he plays it clean; he is a truly exemplary player.
For his career….Tex:
LH:.276/.368/.538 /.906
RH: 302/.395/.535 /.929
He has more power from the left side but the swing is much more geared towards homers and has more moving parts….the swing plane is also more up and down which contributes to the inconsistency. He’s shorter and flatter from the right side…thus better BA and better OBP.
He’s a darn good player though….on a HOF pace if he stays healthy and avoids an early decline.
If Ichiro had come over when he was younger then he would have had a great shot at Rose’s record.
He’s already had a going away party so easy to believe……
YankeesWFAN Easy sign, heard bonus around $750K RT @AnthonyMcCarron: Yanks are supposed to sign their top draft pick, Dante Bichette, Jr., this morning.
The farm generally had a bad pitching night. DJ and Bryan Mitchell also both pitched poorly. Meanwhile, Jose Ramirez was pulled from his RiverDogs’ start last night and put on the 7 day DL. Not good; hopefully, something minor.
Ichiro averaged 224 through his 1st 10 seasons in the big leagues. His first season was at age 27……If he started at 21 then you can probably add around 1,300 more hits to his current total. He’d be around 3,600 right now at age 37
Montero’s splits vs lefties this year (it is a fairly small sample 53 ABs)
.321/.368/.623/.991
When he adjusts to the slop away that righties are apparently throwing him then he’ll take off.
2011 Draft: Yankees sign Dante Bichette Jr.
By Mike Axisa
Update (9:34am): Sweeny Murti hears that the signing bonus will be around $750,000, so just a little bit above slot.
Original Post (9:03am): Via K. Levine-Flandrup, the Yankees have officially signed top pick Dante Bichette Jr. No word on the signing bonus, but I can’t imagine it’s far off from MLB’s slot recommendation of $694,800. The signing wasn’t expected to take very long at all and it didn’t, so now he’ll likely join the Rookie Level Gulf Coast League Yankees when their season begins on Monday. Alright Dante, time to make the Yankees look smart. · (7) ·
http://riveraveblues.com/
YF-
Thanks you for your take. I appreciate it. Gotta run soon. Enjoy the game.
Hope it’s a good one.
Welcome, Dante Bichette Jr. May you have a long and prosperous Yankee career!
Nice that they could get that done quickly and go ahead and get him for a full season in the GCL.
MTU, have a good day!
It has to be an advantage for guys that sign early and start playing…..basically the entire Rookie ball schedule happens between the draft and the signing deadline. It could get you a year ahead in development.
blake, was there any doubt with him? Kid was never going to college once he was signed by his coveted team. GCL starts Monday, so yeah, perfect timing.
Blake-
Bichette has the bloodline and the work ethic to go with it.
His Dad was a beast.
Yankeefem,
nah…not with him….I just mean in general.
MTU,
yea I hope he makes the Yankees look smart real soon. There is something to be said for drafting a kid that’s hungry and wants to be in the organization that drafted him.
Jeter is an exemplary human being, at least based on what we know about him, but unless he starts hitting RHP better, I don’t see him as an everyday player for more than one more year.
yankeefeminista June 18th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Welcome, Dante Bichette Jr. May you have a long and prosperous Yankee career!
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Yankfem – Jo Ram down, not good
. Did you see where DeLeon went deep again? Liking the power & his on base showed modest improvement this month compared to last. Kid needs to play & shorten his swing. I can’t get that strike he threw to Murphy from RF out of my mind, nor the two great plays he made coming in on the ball & getting to his feet & set to unleash that rocket arm in a hurry. Just really want to see his overall game get somewhere & give him a chance, of course he’s got heartbreaker written all over him, so proceed with caution…
Blah blah blah here comes that rerun yet agaaaaaaaaaaaainnnnn
Blah blah blah facts and reality go out the window with at least one otherwise rational posters when Jeter comes up.
Much more interestingly, a good friend called us last night who has been very down since recently losing her beloved Collie, Jesse. She called to tell us she heard the dog barking yesterday morning & in fact the sound woke her up in time to make a crucial appointment she would have blown because her alarm clock failed.
An exemplary dog with talents beyond the veil.
Prufrock, as far as DeLeon is concerned, he will benefit from Sosa and Heathcott being out, b/c less of a logjam in the OF. Although Heathcott is playing CF and Sosa playing mostly CF and LF, DeLeon has been blocked. Kid needs to shorten his swing. We’ll see if he can K less and OBP more, going forward. Bummer that Sosa is hurt. He was making all the adjustments and raking. WTH is playing CF for the Dogs anyway? Ferraro is more of a corner and there is no one else listed on that roster. Surely Flores isn’t playing CF??
Yes, I am concerned about J-Ram. He had an 11 K outing 3 starts ago, and seemed to have cut down his BB rates. Hopefully, he is not being DL’ed for something serious.
Rich in NJ June 18th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Jeter is an exemplary human being.
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Unlike Rose a poor human being in every respect.
May I return the compliment? I like you, not that this matters. But I do. It is not so much sympathies, but that’s part of it. It is more of a gut “like.” I would probably enjoy sitting next to you at a ballgame.
The rational, I care much less for than what is ultimately mysterious.
The rational, I have discovered in my work, hails from the dead world of Newtonian physics. Useful in some phenomena, don’t get too attached to it as an ethos. You will feel really really clever but you will miss your life
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Yeah, I don’t really like to negatively judge people I haven’t met that haven’t committed violent crimes, but certainly Rose has had some issues.
Rich, we all get it. Jeter is ageing. Why keep stating the obvious? You talk about reality, but the reality is that there is no need to keep repeating the same thing ad nauseam.
If you’re talking about me, thanks, JAP. (if not, my bad)
Obviously, that cuts both ways, or perhaps more accurately, many ways.
OT, before I have to do errands:
As for the Mets, I realize that Einhorn is reportedly not involved in personnel matters, but they should have him negotiate with Boras, sort of in a pro hac vice type scenario in court.
If they don’t reach agreement, he’d look great in pinstripes.
yf
Because it’s the topic of the thread. So why isn’t it fair to post that?
I don’t start threads, although I do sometimes kill them.
OK, this is my last comment. Gotta go.
yankeefeminista June 18th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Prufrock, as far as DeLeon is concerned, he will benefit from Sosa and Heathcott being out, b/c less of a logjam in the OF. Although Heathcott is playing CF and Sosa playing mostly CF and LF, DeLeon has been blocked. Kid needs to shorten his swing. We’ll see if he can K less and OBP more, going forward. Bummer that Sosa is hurt. He was making all the adjustments and raking. WTH is playing CF for the Dogs anyway? Ferraro is more of a corner and there is no one else listed on that roster. Surely Flores isn’t playing CF??
Yes, I am concerned about J-Ram. He had an 11 K outing 3 starts ago, and seemed to have cut down his BB rates. Hopefully, he is not being DL’ed for something serious.
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DId Jo Ram experience an uptick in velocity? Sometimes that happens & a guy goes down after that. That is really concerning, Yankeefem.
When I saw Flores he was in left. I think I told you this already, but I was pleasantly surprised to see KDL a much less raw outfielder than I’d been led to believe. I was prepared for him being a really good athlete, but not for him being smooth & getting good jumps. Yea the extra time will help. He’s only 20 so there’s hope for him with those tools.
Rich in NJ June 18th, 2011 at 10:11 am
If you’re talking about me, thanks, JAP. (if not, my bad)
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I am. Have a good day
Rich in NJ June 18th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Yeah, I don’t really like to negatively judge people I haven’t met that haven’t committed violent crimes, but certainly Rose has had some issues.
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I speak with certitude on this one. My ex grew up in Cincinnati and was BFF with both Mrs. Rose and Mr. Bench way back when. She spent lots of time with them both in their homes, out, etc. Bench was not a nice man either but within the realm of quasi-normalcy; Pete Rose was not.
Prufrock, good advice about the mysterious vs. the purportedly real.
Anyway, who is playing CF for the Dogs with both Heathcott and Sosa out? Mason Williams swing had been revamped, as per PP, so not sure how quickly the Yanks will want to move him up. Helluva debut for SI yesterday though with the 2B and HR.
Rich, have a good day.
*Williams’ swing has been revamped*
J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Much more interestingly, a good friend called us last night who has been very down since recently losing her beloved Collie, Jesse. She called to tell us she heard the dog barking yesterday morning & in fact the sound woke her up in time to make a crucial appointment she would have blown because her alarm clock failed.
An exemplary dog with talents beyond the veil.
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“One Step Beyond” material
yankeefeminista June 18th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Prufrock, good advice about the mysterious vs. the purportedly real.
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Yankfem, even Einstein warned not to trust the “real.” BTW, the story about the Collie is genuine & it was as wide a turn as I could take to change the subject
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nwhile, my cat Pip wole me this morning by licking my face in order to alert me to the danger that his tuna and cheese dish was running low.
Bojo, happens every day.
s/b “Meanwhile”
BoJo June 18th, 2011 at 10:26 am
nwhile, my cat Pip wole me this morning by licking my face in order to alert me to the danger that his tuna and cheese dish was running low.
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First name Wally?
yankeefeminista June 18th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Anyway, who is playing CF for the Dogs with both Heathcott and Sosa out? Mason Williams swing had been revamped, as per PP, so not sure how quickly the Yanks will want to move him up. Helluva debut for SI yesterday though with the 2B and HR.
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YF, isn’t Gumbs supposed to also be CF material?
First name Wally?
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Peter the Pip…a stray we took in about 2 years ago–funniest little cuss…always follows me everywhere and right now is sleeping on my desk between the screen and me.
Glad to see Bichette signed(As per Twitter) hoping a lot of guys sign before I go see the GCL in July.
So, are we truly interested in Dempster and as per the NY Post, is he is actually “auditioning” for us today? Velo down 1 mph, LD% up 5%. Let’s kick his … I’d rather acquire a lefty…
Bojo, probably digs the heat from your computer (though prolly not the best thing for him).
BoJo June 18th, 2011 at 10:33 am
First name Wally?
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Peter the Pip…a stray we took in about 2 years ago–funniest little cuss…always follows me everywhere and right now is sleeping on my desk between the screen and me.
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Awww. I am so cat-deprived because I cannot have cats where I live. Life without cats is a much less beautiful world.
yankeefeminista June 18th, 2011 at 10:34 am
So, are we truly interested in Dempster and as per the NY Post, is he is actually “auditioning” for us today? Velo down 1 mph, LD% up 5%. Let’s kick his … I’d rather acquire a lefty…
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I still don’t understand why we are even considering picking up so-so talent for our rotation…unless this is just Cashman’s team of scouts doing due diligence.
If they don’t reach agreement, he’d look great in pinstripes.
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he would look good in pinstripes but there isn’t enough money and room for him
J. Alfred Prufrock June 18th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Bojo, probably digs the heat from your computer (though prolly not the best thing for him).
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Where ever I go, there he is…my wife also has a cat who shadows her every move…I think they have a system to watch us in case we have food…then the call all the others…
yankeefeminista June 18th, 2011 at 10:36 am
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Cats and dogs both–we usually have several of each–they do bring a lot of joy to us. Sorry to hear you can’t have them
I view Rose in much the same light as I do Ty Cobb, the former ML hits leader. They were both great players during their careers, but with the passage of time each has evolved into something of an embarrassment for MLB–Cobb for his racism and Rose for his gambling and lying. However, the primary difference between the two is that Cobb’s racism was more or less in line with the racist policies of MLB at the time, while Rose’s gambling flew in the face of long-established rules and norms against gambling. Cobb fit into the ethos of his own lifetime, but Rose failed to live up to any ethos of any time with his dishonesty. Cobb embarrasses MLB (and in some sense, all Americans), because he reminds us all of the dark side of MLB (and American society) at the turn of the century. Cobb embarrasses MLB, because he embodied MLB established conventions and standards, and Rose because he flaunted them.
“An exemplary dog with talents beyond the veil.”
Wake up calls from beyond…… the perfect Fathers Day gift for the Dad who has everything.
I am definitely NOT a fan of getting Reyes. I don’t judge players on their walk year performance, but rather consider his whole body of work. And to me, this guy is a walking DL case. He has never shown me the character I would invest big money and years in.
tyanks, when is your first GCL game? Position players, so far as per PP =
1B Tyler Austin
2B Jake Anderson
SS Claudio Custodio
3B Dante Bichette Jr.
C Jackson Valera
OF Ravel Santana
LOL, pat.
Ghost, Rose always appeared unnaturally jacked up. Though the way he busted it was admirable, he was an unpleasant player to see at “rest” once he was on base. All that self slapping, grunting, self-exhorting etc.
GW–Rose has definite personality issues–including a gambling addiction. But calling him an embarrassment is IMO a stretch as much as it is to call drug addictions and alcohol addictions an embarrassment. The only thing embarrassing to me is that baseball doesn’t deal with their addictions and help them, rather than judge and punish them. These people need help.
Thanks, Bojo.
I too am not rating Reyes on this outlier year, and the cost and years would be prohibitive.
Looking at the photo in the thread, it is nice to see that Santa Claus is a Yankee fan and attends games during his off-season.
Pete Rose played on turf and also ate more amphetamines then Mick Jagger. Jeter not so much
The only thing embarrassing to me is that baseball doesn’t deal with their addictions and help them, rather than judge and punish them. These people need help.
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Bojo, look at the disdain for Joba around here because of a drinking “problem”, whether real or made up by folks. You’re right, of course.
Any how, good afternoon, all. Looking forward to win on Waveland Ave. later today.
That was a tough loss yesterday; Garcia has been pitching in hard luck all year. Still, it’s pretty amazing that after his shaky start yesterday, Garcia still managed to hold the Cubs to 3 runs on 6 hits. With Colon’s emergence as a force on the Yankee staff, Freddy’s contributions have been somewhat overlooked. In 12 starts this year year, he has failed to go at least 5 innings only 3 times, and only 1, possibly 2, of these starts could be considered “bad”. In the games that Garcia lost this year, the Yanks have averaged only 2.33 RPG, scoring more than 4 runs only once.
Prufrock, Gumbs played mostly OF before being signed by Yanks, but we see him as a full time 2B.
Bye JAP–have a great day
I speak with certitude on this one. My ex grew up in Cincinnati and was BFF with both Mrs. Rose and Mr. Bench way back when. She spent lots of time with them both in their homes, out, etc. Bench was not a nice man either but within the realm of quasi-normalcy; Pete Rose was not.
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Link?
Bojo, as per Dempster they obviously want a mid to backend type who eats innings. If only Andy would consider coming back. (I know, I know…)
theoldCrow, Lack of greenies have made long roadtrips and weeks without off days brutal. You can see the physical difference(fatigue) in the players.
*has* made
“The only thing embarrassing to me is that baseball doesn’t deal with their addictions and help them, rather than judge and punish them. These people need help.”
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Gotta be careful with this one, Bojo, there are a lot of posters on here and people in general that don’t believe substance abuse problems are a real disease. Its caused a few heated arguments on here, anyway.
“Talking about Jeter playing until he is 45 is silly at this point.”
oh sure, jeter has watched colon go from sayonara to cy young material and he’s not going to have any of those legal stem cell or platelet rich transfufusions .
the big problem is he doesn’t have the money to pursue such procedures.
Ghostwriter June 18th, 2011 at 10:53 am
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Agreed. I twas funny to see posters going nuts over his first 2 innings…rather than be patient to see the overall result.
I was watching the game agian late last tnight while trying to fall asleep (counting on Kay and company), and was thinking how much Garcia reminds me of a RH version of Andy Pettitte. Gets by with smarts and real pitching…gives his team a chance to win.
Shame Spencer June 18th, 2011 at 10:59 am
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They are welcome to their opinion. I don’t excuse the disease, but have worked to help people who have it, and addictions are certainly IMO a disease. However, it is not my job to convince others.
Yankeefem
my first for sure GCL game will be July 2nd, a saturday game against the GCL Braves. I might drive up there June 27th(monday) for a bit as I get off work at 1230(30 minute drive) so I would get to see some but the 2nd is a day that I can go and stay for the whole thing, its also a 10am game so it wont be as hot the whole time.
I mentioned this before yesterday’s game (link to follow), but I was really worried we were not going to score many runs because the whining level about the line-up was uncharacteristically low before the game. I’m starting to get worried now about today’s game because there hasn’t been any complaining about our hitters or line-up so far.
BoJo June 18th, 2011 at 10:46 am
GW–Rose has definite personality issues–including a gambling addiction. But calling him an embarrassment is IMO a stretch as much as it is to call drug addictions and alcohol addictions an embarrassment. The only thing embarrassing to me is that baseball doesn’t deal with their addictions and help them, rather than judge and punish them. These people need help.
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Of course it was an embarrassment–one of the great players in the history of the game was caught cheating. Look at the pains that Giamatti went through trying to contain and to dispose of the situation, going so far as to pressure Rose into accepting a ban. I don’t think that there was any question that Giamatti was embarassed. How about his friends who defended Rose through the years–Morgan, Bench, Schmidt–do you think they felt embarrassed when he finally came clean after years of lying to them?
I think that the reason that you are able to dismiss Rose’s acts is because you are able to rationalize his behavior as the result of some ailment beyond his control–an addiction–rather than a serious moral defect. However, even if the addiction theory absolves Rose of culpability in his gambling (which is a huge stretch in my view), it fails to explain his years of lying about it, lying about Giamatti, putting up his firends and collegues to lie on his behalf, and most damning of all: The manner in which tried to cash in on his eventual confession.
tyanks, sounds good. Coverage of GCL is likely the worst coverage of any Yankees farm team. I will look forward to your impressions. I am curious to see how among others Ravel Santana fares. I have waited a long time for him to be stateside. As for the SI game in Brooklyn, I am pumped to see Hughes pitch tomorrow. Also to get my first look at the SI position players.
Montero won’t show his face until Sept unless he’s traded then it will be in a different uniform
Bojo – Agreed and understandable. I hope you’re right about the correlation between our complaints and our batting average
GW–Addicts lie all the time–to themselves and others. They are not the nicest of people due to their personality problems. They tend to be very manipulative and don’t really think sanely.
As far as Giamatti’s embarrassment and others, that is their problem for not understanding the issue.
Shame Spencer June 18th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Bojo – Agreed and understandable. I hope you’re right about the correlation between our complaints and our batting average
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For the sake of the team–
“Our line-up sucks. Granderson is a failure, and Cano has reverted back to Robby LOSER.”
Hope that works.
Ugh, don’t even like seeing Robbie’s name next to the word “loser.” I really despise those kind of disparaging, unjust and wholly inaccurate remarks.
Bojo, not referring to you here. I know you are “taking one” for the team.
Can not comprehend waste pick Bichette jr because Bichette friendship Girardi.
Yankeefem
looking at the GCL roster on the GCL Yankees page, the first thing I notice is that they are all babies. most all were born in 1990-92, I know I was born in 1987 but these kids make me feel old lol. I saw they already have Bichette on the roster too. Exciting. Ill be sure to bring my camera to get some video of them all fielding and hitting.
Hope that tomorrow goes well weather wise and that Phil does well, Id hate to hear all the negative nancies come out yapping if he gives up some runs. lol
tyanksfan36 June 18th, 2011 at 11:16 am
but these kids make me feel old
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Welcome to your first of what will be many realizations about getting old while watching baseball.
50 years from now, your grand kids will be asking you “Who was a better Yankee, Alex Rodriguez, Derek Jeter, or Robinson Cano?” and “Was Mariano Rivera REEALY that great?”
And you will (hopefully) remember it as if it were just yesterday.
I wouldn’t say I’m pro signing Reyes, but to suggest he’s not a valuable and great short stop seems a bit much. He’s not usually this much of a slugger, but the guy is lightning in a bottle.
Outside of that you can argue the context of what contract he deserves, but don’t suggest he’s not a great player. Personally I’d rather see him stay with the Mets for the health of their franchise. Let’s stick with Jeter/Nunez for now, see how Culver plays out, and see what else happens on the market. Buster Olney did make a good point that Reyes would make for a great blockbuster NYY player.
BoJo June 18th, 2011 at 11:10 am
GW–Addicts lie all the time–to themselves and others. They are not the nicest of people due to their personality problems. They tend to be very manipulative and don’t really think sanely.
As far as Giamatti’s embarrassment and others, that is their problem for not understanding the issue.
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Like I said, the most damning thing about the way that he finally came clean. If you want to call that part of the “disease”, then it seems to me that you’ve stretched the word beyond the point that it has any meaning at all. To make this case you would at least have to establish that he is still gambling.
With all due respect, I think that you are the one misunderstanding the issue. At the end of the day, the reasons why Rose cheated are far less important for the good of the MLB than the fact that he cheated, because it has direct implications for the probity and credibility of the product on the field. There really is no equivocating on this fact, regardless of whether you view Rose as a victim or a villain, he was an embarrassment to the game in much the same fashion that the Black Sox were an embarassment.
Blake, I get that Tex is not a problem for them this year (in response to your post from the previous thread), but I’m not really sure what that has to do with anything. The Yankees spent a fortune in signing him and committing to him for 8 years and although he’s a good player, I don’t think he’s worth that contract at this point. We’re only 3 years in and he’s already declined badly in terms of average and he’s very streaky. It doesn’t mean he isn’t very good or won’t be good for awhile, but as you have said more than once, he doesn’t appear to be the kind of player who will age well. Sox may have lucked out by not signing him because they got a superior player.
AS to Rose, I despise him and I’m glad he’s not in the HOF. I get that his numbers warrant it, but that’s never been what this is all about. Gambling nearly brought the game to it’s knees and although Rose probably did not bet against his team, he broke the rules. If he had been genuinely remorseful, I’m sure baseball would have relented and allowed him back on the ballot, but he’s never been that. He’s been the opposite. I also have a problem, as a player, with him taking out Ray Fosse in the All-Star game,. Yes, I get that he was a hard-nosed player, but it’s just a game – a meaningless one – and if I recall, Fosse was never the same. It’s nice that he thinks Jeter would be a good one to break his record, though – he certainly knows hitting. Up until maybe this year, I thought Jeter could go on forever, but I don’t think so now. I think he’s almost done.
Cobb wasn’t just a racist, he was a lunatic……..not a nice man period and that’s putting it kindly.
Ghost…Garcia pitched his normal quality start against a team that can’t hit a lick, nothing hard luck about it IMO
yankeefeminista, marry me! but first are the Yanks gonna bring in Kazmir? They should, I’d try to work him into a loogy and go from there. We already lost out on Aceves to the angry cousins from the north
tyanks, You are just a babe, and Bojo makes a good point. Part of the greatness of being a Yankee fan is having such a rich history to draw upon, both from stories told to you by your parents and grandparents (assuming they are Yankee fans) and from your own observances over time.
As for watching GCL, you will see how “young” they play. Have to watch the game a little differently on that level. Thinking about what they project to be. However, both the short season teams are loaded with talent. I really enjoy watching lower levels.
Yes, I am keeping my fingers crossed that Phil has a solid outing. May the sea air have a healing effect and contribute to the bump in his velo!
There is no way on this green earth I’d give Jose Reyes anything close to a long-term deal. He’s a talented player, but how many great years has he had – and now he’s having one on a walk year. He’s also been injury prone – nope, no thanks.
Bojo
Well watching MLB right now most of the players are older than me. The rookies are about my age though. Sports are funny in that 41 years old is ancient. I saw Mariano Rivera’s parents at a minor league spring training game back in March and they looked young, it was then that I realized they are probably only in their late 60′s early 70′s if that.
Kev, I can very well argue he’s not a great player. Too many players get labled great – and there’s no way, IMO, Reyes has earned that description.
Tex might have streaky power numbers, but streaky can still win you games. Sometimes his numbers go back and forth due to injury as well, this guy has gotten pretty banged up due to HBP.
His average can still go up too. Perhaps he needs to work more with Long on going the other way with pitches. The shift can kill him sometimes.
Also his fielding is superb day in and day out. I
think he’s been a great investment so far. There are a lot of great 1B out there, but I’d also say that it has developed even more since he signed with us. I’d also so there are only a small handful of 1B certainly better than him. Pujols and Cabrera being two right off the bat, but besides that I’d say it just comes down to preference.
Yankeefem
sitting at the Rays/Marlins game last night showed me just what I am missing when I watch minor league baseball which is fundamentally sound baseball. The Rays are actually a very good fielding team. Their outfielders get great reads on balls, I think only 1 went over Uptons head(besides a HR) but for the most part they got to everything, as did their infielders. The Marlins werent to shabby either except LoMo who made every fly ball to left an adventure. With the Tampa Yankees and other minor league teams I see, I can tell that they still have a lot of work ahead of them.
theoldCrow June 18th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Ghost…Garcia pitched his normal quality start against a team that can’t hit a lick, nothing hard luck about it IMO
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First, the Cubs are a better than average hitting club, so saying that they can’t hit lick doesn’t really square up with the fact. I agree that Garcia pitched his normal quality start. So, when a team that average 5 runs per game gets held to 3 runs by a journeyman pitcher on a below-average pitching staff, I tend to consider it “bad luck” for Garcia. However, opinions may vary on this.
If Boras ends up as Reyes’ agent, and stays healthy this year, he’ll be eclipsing Carl Crawford’s contract.
Yankeefem
did you get my email about the Blue Jays and Phillies teams? If there are any players you want me to keep an eye on for you, I know that the Thunder play their AA teams up there. Since the TY play them all the time down here I can let you know who to watch out for if they get promoted or move up next year.
Look how great Reyes is this season.
It shows you what a dog he really is.
He is totally erratic and could care less once he gets his contract.
Cash would be a fool to pursue him or even get involved to jack his price up even higher.
Jose Reyes is 28. He’s only just hit his prime and his stride. His injury history is very exaggerated. I’m not calling him a sure fire HOFer, but I am saying he’s a special talent at SS, and even more so given the talent pool at the position. He is a great SS.
I think it’s very possible he has now matured and hit his stride in the MLB. Not going to argue the value of a long term contract, because it’s dicey to just about any player and it’s a matter of market value. Market value aside, he is great.
Crow, lol.
I wouldn’t be opposed at all to signing Kazmir to some kind of deal. Maybe we can salvage something there. Don’t even mention Aceves to me…(grrrr)
Betsy June 18th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Blake, I get that Tex is not a problem for them this year (in response to your post from the previous thread), but I’m not really sure what that has to do with anything. The Yankees spent a fortune in signing him and committing to him for 8 years and although he’s a good player, I don’t think he’s worth that contract at this point. We’re only 3 years in and he’s already declined badly in terms of average and he’s very streaky.
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There’s no real evidence to support the notion that he’s declined badly in terms of average or otherwise, as I noted in an earlier post. And apparently, he always has been streaky as a hitter. So, the Yanks presumably knew what they were getting when they signed him. When he’s hot, Tex is one of the very best in baseball. And on average, Tex’s hot streaks more than compensate for his cold spells, because he always seems to wind up with terrific numbers at the end of the year (with 2010 being a notable exception.)
pat,
Didn”t you hear? Gammons accused the Yankees of tampering with Dante Jr.’s life!
Yankee Trader June 18th, 2011 at 11:37 am
If Boras ends up as Reyes’ agent, and stays healthy this year, he’ll be eclipsing Carl Crawford’s contract.
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Sometimes, I really do wonder how Boras does it, because he always seems to get these outsized salaries for players. It isn’t th magnitude of the salaries that gets me; it’s the fact that he often seems to get teams to bid against themselves, paying far in excess of what it should take to land a given player.
tyanksfan36 June 18th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Yankeefem
sitting at the Rays/Marlins game last night showed me just what I am missing when I watch minor league baseball which is fundamentally sound baseball. The Rays are actually a very good fielding team. Their outfielders get great reads on balls, I think only 1 went over Uptons head(besides a HR) but for the most part they got to everything, as did their infielders. The Marlins werent to shabby either except LoMo who made every fly ball to left an adventure. With the Tampa Yankees and other minor league teams I see, I can tell that they still have a lot of work ahead of them.
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Yep, watching the different levels you can really see the variances, even from short season to A-ball. Rays are always a good fielding team (sans Damon in left, of course). I have loved watching them year in and year out at Yankee Stadium when the outfield had Crawford in left w/Upton in CF. Just great great outfielders. CC and Upton together were phenomenal to watch live. Nothing ever seemed to drop.
Radio, it is not that Reyes isn’t a special talent, but you have to consider this year an outlier. That said, sure he is very good, but again the contract and years will be prohibitive.
@Betsy the Yanks already have one title in the bank with Teixeira’s help, and try to remember and I know you do the Giambino at first base. It’s only money, no cap, lot’s of OPS, great D in-spite of what Fangraphs calculates. With Gonzalez in Boston the comparison’s become over emphasized. They have a bigger problem working with the 3 yr Captain deal then Teixeira IMO, but yes at times he’s a frustrating player to watch at the plate.
Ghost points well taken. The Cubs have a decent team BA, a skewed team stat IMO, but are middle of the pack in OBP and Runs scored, are sitting 12th out of 16 in NL in RBI’s. Doug Dewitt is batting 3rd with a .679 OPS and Pena is batting 5th, not a bad OBP or Slg % but not exactly keeping pitching coaches up at night. Ramirez is down across the slash line board, specifically OPS. Overall not as bad as I thought. Freddy will eat innings, keep the team in games against mid level to bad teams agreed, but you have to hide him against the better AL squads, or Michael Kay’s face will have a permanent frown, now just when he’s doing the post game wrap.