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A glove story

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 19, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Let’s start this Sunday with a rather off-the-wall story about a completely unexpected pitcher.

I was away on the day Brian Gordon made his Yankees debut, but even if I were there, I doubt I would have noticed his glove. I remember only two times that I actually paid much attention to a player’s glove during a game: The first time I saw Kei Igawa break out his blue glove in Scranton — it was hard to miss it — and the first time I saw Pat Venditte pitch.

Anyway, here’s a story that’s not so much about the newest Yankees starter. It’s really about the newest Yankees glove.

NEW YORK (AP) — Brian Gordon took the ball from the pocket of his black glove, wound up and threw his first pitch for the New York Yankees.

A career minor leaguer, it all seemed pretty natural for the newcomer. Except for his mitt, that is.

On Thursday, Gordon is believed to have become the first big leaguer to play with a glove made entirely of synthetic materials. Not a side panel or string of leather anywhere.

Way to flash the nylon microfiber, rook!

Sitting high up along the third-base side at Yankee Stadium, Scott Carpenter soaked in the entire scene.

“It was chills,” he related Friday by phone. “To see my name on the mound, starting a game for the New York Yankees, I couldn’t believe it.”

That’s because he’s the founder — and only full-time employee — of Carpenter Trade Company. From his shop in Cooperstown, N.Y., near the Baseball Hall of Fame, he’d spent 10 years on this labor of glove, building toward this moment.

“I always had the dream that synthetics were the future of baseball gloves and that I would be the person who made the first all-synthetic glove used in major league baseball,” he said. “I kept it to myself because it seemed so preposterous. There weren’t a lot of people offering a lot of encouragement along the way.”

“Baseball is all about traditions. One of them is the lore of the glove, the memories of the smell of the leather and breaking it in,” he said. “There’s such a romantic notion of that, the idea of a synthetic glove strikes people the wrong way.”

These lightweight mitts that carry his name are totally legal. Even though the Official Baseball Rules say fielders may “wear a leather glove,” Carpenter checked way in advance with Major League Baseball and got the OK.

“At first I really didn’t know what to think about it,” Gordon said Friday at Wrigley Field, where the Yankees played the Chicago Cubs.

“It’s very different looking and not your, the traditional look. But I asked more and more questions about it and it just made sense to me,” he said. “I think a glove is a tool. A glove is our tool, a tool we use every day, and it may as well fit, fit for us.”

For the record, Carpenter’s gloves have no scent. They also don’t require any oils, shaving cream or water to break them in. Pop a ball in the web, that’s plenty.

The advantage of these new-wave gloves, Carpenter said, is that they’re five to 10 ounces lighter than standard leather models — consider a baseball weighs five ounces, and when a fielder moves his mitt into position, that could mean the fraction of a second between a nifty play and near-miss.

“It’s a very simple equation: Lighter is better,” Carpenter said.

Carpenter said about a half-dozen minor leaguers currently use his gloves. Gordon got the idea from Triple-A pitcher Michael Schwimer — they were teammates at Lehigh Valley in the Philadelphia system until this week, when Gordon joined the Yankees.

Synthetic components in gloves have become increasingly popular in recent years. Alex Rodriguez, Roy Halladay and other big leaguers use mitts that supplement leather with man-made materials.

Gordon’s glove, from a distance, looks like anyone else’s. Up close, it’s easy to see the different, carefully constructed panels. All of Carpenter’s gloves are black, rather than the shiny brown leather often seen in a Wilson A2000 or Rawlings Heart of the Hide model.

The 39-year-old Carpenter formerly tried his hand at making sneakers. He said an old cobbler in Brooklyn once told him baseball gloves were much harder to build. An artist’s residency in the Adirondacks eventually put him on this trial-and-path.

For glove of the game, so to speak.

Carpenter said synthetic materials allow for greater strength and flexibility. He said there’s some trade secrets, too, in the design because the nylon microfibers move differently than leather.

“He does a casting of your hand, he molds your hand and then builds the glove from that mold, from the hand out. It’s just a true fit. Right when you get it it’s ready to go,” Gordon said. “There’s no slipping or wearing or tearing. It’s a very durable piece.”

“He asks you which way you like to squeeze a glove,” he said. “Some guys are thumb to pinky, thumb to ring finger, thumb to middle finger. He’ll take that information. Then that way, right when you slip your hand in it’s already broken towards that fit.”

No two of Carpenter’s gloves are exactly alike. Some come with embroidery: Gordon’s mitt has red stitching with a Bible passage.

Carpenter makes hardball and softball gloves for outfielders and most infielders — no catcher’s mitts or versions for first basemen. It takes about 20 hours for each, and he’s currently working on another one for Gordon.

A quirky part of his business: He hasn’t sold a glove this year. Instead, he trades them. He recently bartered a glove to a musician who is putting “Carpenter Trade Company” into the lyrics of a new song.

For now, Carpenter is glowing over seeing his glove in the big leagues. He’s positive it’s the first totally synthetic mitt in the majors.

“I suppose only God knows for 100 percent certainty whether or not some guy in 1921 went out for one inning of an MLB game wearing an all-canvas glove,” he wrote in an email.

“I have been working hard at this milestone for 10 years” and done research with the Hall of Fame and other sources, he said. “I can’t imagine there is anyone more knowledgeable than I am about this question.”

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321 Responses to “A glove story”

  1. Yankee Trader June 19th, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Chad:

    Interesting article.

    I would like to be a fly on the wall and know what Rotschild says to Burnett during a game when he comes out to the mound. Does he do post game interviews for the press?

    I’m attaching an article fro USA Todays Sports Weekly on the Bloomberg sports application that 18 teams are using. Would you ask if the Yankees are one of the teams?

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports.....-app_N.htm

  2. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Wow. What a story.

    Fits like a hand in a “synthetic” glove.

    :)

  3. Yankee Trader June 19th, 2011 at 9:18 am

    The talk this morning has been about the Yankees acquiring another lefty starter. If it’s true that they are looking at pitchers with expiring contracts this is from mlbtraderumors and NY Post-

    “Left-handed starters whose contracts expire following the 2011 season include Paul Maholm, Bruce Chen, Jeff Francis, and Zach Duke. Of the four, only Maholm is currently pitching well enough to be considered an upgrade. Mark Buehrle is also a free agent following 2011, but a clause in his contract states that he will receive an extra year at $15MM if he’s traded this season.

    Maholm earns just $5.75MM this year and has a $750K buyout on his $9.75MM option for 2012. To date, he’s compiled a strong 3.12 ERA that’s supported fairly well by his 3.53 FIP and 3.89 xFIP. Chen has been solid in 42 2/3 innings for the Royals, but is currently rehabbing from a lat muscle injury.”

  4. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Thanks for the interesting story, Chad. I wonder if he has any plans to make a synthetic catcher’s mitt and how long these gloves last.

    Speaking of gloves, do you know if Cano has a new or different size glove? He has had a lot of issues with dropping balls on throws and plays? His glove looks smaller, flatter and stiffer.

  5. BIG AL June 19th, 2011 at 9:20 am

    MTU -

    Blake thought you were up early to milk the cows, he forgot you live in the desert, and the only thing you milk is Rattlesnakes.

  6. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 9:21 am

    YT-

    Malholm’s #’s with an NL club :

    http://www.baseball-reference......pa01.shtml

    Pass.

  7. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Al-

    Yeah. He should know better.

    Maine is the Dairy farmer.

    ;)

  8. upstate kate June 19th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Happy Fathers Day to all the Dads out there :)

    Very cool story. I will have to check that out the next time we visit Cooperstown.

  9. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 9:28 am

    Al-

    This is only good use I could see for rattler’s.

    http://omg.yahoo.com/photos/wh.....nking/4941

    :) :) :)

  10. Yankee Trader June 19th, 2011 at 9:29 am

    MTU-

    Maholm gets 2.69 run support this year and opposing batting average of of .223. I don’t know enough about him to know if he could be a reasonable addition without sacrificing any major talent? I looked at his lifetime stats.

    Any interest in 26 yo lefty John Lannan of the Nats who is arb eligible, I think.

  11. tyanksfan36 June 19th, 2011 at 9:30 am

    GB

    Here are the pictures that I took from the All-Star game. Hopefully I get to see some of these guys in the Big Leagues in the next couple years. Chase Utley, Ryan Howard, Derek Jeter, Carlos Marmol and more all played in the FSL All-Star game.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/58208470@N04/page7/

    to see them in chronological order you start at page 7 from bottom to top and then go to page 6, 5, 4…. to page 1 to see all of them.

  12. Joe from Long Island June 19th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Chad – Your last post, on the Gardner-Martin double play, was excellent. One thing I noticed was that Gardner seemed to be circling his route, as he came up to make that running catch on the fly ball. It seemed like he put himself in great position for catch and throw, because if he takes a more direct route to the ball that he’s facing the LF stands, and in poor position to make a throw.

    And, this post on the glove was great, very informative for fans.

    Happy Father’s Day to all fathers, and we should all take a moment to remember ours.

  13. Yankee Trader June 19th, 2011 at 9:31 am

    MTU-

    Very funny, but is Jennifer Lopez wearing the real rattlesnake outfit or the Carpenter “synthetic” version?

  14. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 9:32 am

    YT-

    Lannan’s #’s :

    http://www.baseball-reference......jo01.shtml

    What do you think ?

    Personally, he doesn’t seem like an upgrade either.

    I know you are just trying to be realistic about who we might be
    able to get.

    ;)

  15. BIG AL June 19th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    MTU -

    Sure gets my rattler going.

  16. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 9:33 am

    YT-

    With her, does it matter ?

    :)

  17. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 9:35 am

    Al-

    This is a family friendly blog or I’d say something.

    :)

  18. BIG AL June 19th, 2011 at 9:37 am

    MTU -
    nuf said, lol.

  19. Yankee Trader June 19th, 2011 at 9:38 am

    If it’s true that the Yankees are looking for another lefty starter with an expiring contract, I’m throwing out some possibilities. It wouldn’t hurt to have another starting lefty when the Yankees face the Phillies this year in the WS! :)

  20. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 9:42 am

    YT-

    This is the quality level IMO:

    Danks (Sox need to fall out of it).
    Liriano (for the right price)
    Kershaw (aint happening)
    Baumgardner (same as Kershaw)
    Kazmir (after the Bartolo treament)
    Etc.

    Of those the most likely available is Liriano.

  21. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    YT-

    Anderson, or Gio would work too.

    (I know. Ain’t happening).

    :(

  22. LGY June 19th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Can they get Cano one?

  23. BIG AL June 19th, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Back later.

  24. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Bedard (for the right price. Which ain’t much).

  25. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Yanks may have their left handed starter in Scranton in Greg Smith. 7 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs, 2 walks and 7 strikeouts. He pitched for the A’s and Rockies. Not great success, but he did have 15 pick-offs at first base in 2008 (ML RECORD). (compliments of Donnie Collins). He’s still only 27, so, maybe he’s a late bloomer. Anyway, he’s somebody to watch for a few times.

    He’s no fireballer, so forget that. Probably more along the lines of Doug Davis/Barry Zito.

  26. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 9:47 am

    GB-

    That was a great game he pitched yesterday.

    Me. I hope we get someone who can dominate.

  27. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Thanks, TY. None of the last 3 three e-mails would open. They just won’t load the contents. Thanks anyway. I’ll open up the picks and view them. Thanks for your updates.

  28. LGY June 19th, 2011 at 9:49 am

    “Mark Buehrle is also a free agent following 2011, but a clause in his contract states that he will receive an extra year at $15MM if he’s traded this season.”

    ——————–

    I am not sure why I keep seeing this everywhere when Buehrle’s name comes up.

    His contract says this:

    no-trade protection:

    2008: full no-trade clause
    2009 – July 15, 2010: limited no-trade protection allowing Buehrle to block trades to certain unspecified clubs. A trade triggers an escalator paying $1M raise to $15M annually, plus a guaranteed fifth year paying $15M for 2012.
    July 16, 2010-2011: Buehrle may not be traded without his permission, under right as 10-and-5 player

    Based on that, on July 16th 2010 he lost the clause that gives him that extra year at $15 million.

  29. Stoneburner June 19th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Some possible power trade possibilities may come from AL Central:

    Liriano/Baker (signed team friendly through 2013 with that option – but having a nice year – but is a righty and not a lefty – Yanks targeting lefty starters it appears) and Cuddyer (who told Smith he would wave his no trade clause)

    Danks and Quentin – a long shot – but this would setup the team great going forward – no indication Quentin available – Danks either – but Danks has resisted that Gavin Floyd type extension – and Kenny Williams and Cashman have a nice trading relationship.

  30. Stoneburner June 19th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Nice little game from CoJo at AA – could be a trade chip come July 31 if he keeps it up

  31. Stoneburner June 19th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 9:45 am
    Yanks may have their left handed starter in Scranton in Greg Smith. 7 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs, 2 walks and 7 strikeouts. He pitched for the A’s and Rockies. Not great success, but he did have 15 pick-offs at first base in 2008 (ML RECORD). (compliments of Donnie Collins). He’s still only 27, so, maybe he’s a late bloomer. Anyway, he’s somebody to watch for a few times.

    He’s no fireballer, so forget that. Probably more along the lines of Doug Davis/Barry Zito.
    *********

    He was once a nice prospect for the Diamondbacks I believe.

  32. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 9:55 am

    MTU, not sure what Smith can offer, but, a fairly young lefty starter that costs nothing is always worth a shot. He was bad in Colorado last season, but, hew breaking ball pitchers have success in the thin air. As I said, he’ll be curious to watch. Maybe even out of the pen.

    Brackman pitched the last two innings last night and really faught his control in the first inning, though he walked only the first batter. Then he found it, and struck out the last 3 of the 4 batters he faced. 2 innings, 0 hits, 0 runs.1 walk, 3 strikeouts. 21 pitches in his first inning with only 10 strikes. In the last inning, 11 pitches and 8 strikes.

  33. RadioKev June 19th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    I’m in the camp that the best remedy would be Phil Hughes if he’s right.

  34. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 9:56 am

    More likely a guy like Smith gets a shot to help out in the pen from the left side.

    Where is Jeremy Bleich when you need him.

    Too bad he got injured and stunted his development.

    :(

  35. CountryClub June 19th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    RIP Clarence Clemons.

    We’ll see you further on down the road….

  36. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Smith was a 6th round, ‘Zona pick in 2005 as Stoneburner said. He was a free pick-up. Maybe he at least comes in to be the 2nd lefty out of the pen.

  37. Crawdaddy June 19th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    True about Buehrle, but he can block any trade and since he already won one WS, he might not give his permission unless you sweeten the pot for him. Cashman will at least make inquires about him.

  38. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 9:58 am

    GB-

    You’ve been on the Octopus in the pen almost since the beginning.

    If he pulls it together there he would be a weapon.

  39. CountryClub June 19th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Nunez has a little juice in his bat, but he’s awful in the field. You have to hold your breath every time a ball is hit to him. And it’s not a matter of nerves or SSS because he played the same way at every level in the minors except for one decent yr in AAA.

  40. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Buerhle would be an intriguing possibility.

    His experience would be a huge plus in the playoffs.

    And Man can he field.

    :)

  41. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 10:05 am

    I’m curious to see if the hitting coaches can get Cody Johnson straightened out. This kid has enormous left handed power and is third at Trenton in homers. For those that have gone to the park at Trenton, he has 4 home runs into the river beyond right field. Big, still young at 22-23 years old. Strikeouts are also huge, so he’s going to fight that. Yanks got him from the Braves for about $50,000. Not a great right fielder, but has a good arm and could be passable. Also has some speed. He’s just now getting his average up, so, hopefully he gets over .255-.260 by the end of the year.

    Was robbed of a 3 run homer by a bad call last night. Hit a homer off of the 2nd set of billboards in right (home run) and bounced back on the field and ruled a double.

  42. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Nunez is almost entirely a footwork issue. Kelleher will work long and hard with him and he’ll be fine.

  43. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Buerhle just isn’t worth the talent required along with close to $22 mil through the end of next year.

  44. William Buckner June 19th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    Was at SWB game last night. Smith is sneaky. Had no hitter into 6th. Keeps people of balance. Probably a AAAA type guy, but could serve as a 5th starter if needed and interesting option as reliever.

  45. Yankee Trader June 19th, 2011 at 10:09 am

    If Andruw Jones were a full time player he’d be right up there with Mark Reynolds, seeing who would be first to stike out >200 times this season.

    Guess as to how soon the Yankees dump him and find a right-handed power threat to replace him. Any interest if FA Michael Cuddyer who has been hitting well recently?
    Jones, my guess, will be gone sometime during the Yankees next homestand when interleague play is over.

  46. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 10:11 am

    MTU, I always liked Brackman in the pen, mainly because he can keep it together for short stretches. I’m hoping that he can get the fastball back up to the mid-high 9s again. He backed off on the speed to try gaining control of his fastball.

  47. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    mid-high ***90s*** again

  48. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 10:13 am

    GB-

    Looks like we’re gonna get a chance to find out.

    We have lot’s of arms to audition for a place in the pen.

    If he gets it together he could have that “Terminator” type quality no doubt.

    ;)

  49. The Iron Horse June 19th, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Great read

  50. tyanksfan36 June 19th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    GB

    The email wasnt anything special. This is what it said:

    Not sure if you kept up with it but Rob Lyerly started 3rd base for the all star game. He batted 3rd and had the games first hit and run scored. Overall he went 2-2 with a single and double and a run. He made a bad throw on a bunted ball, really should have just held onto it as the runner had the throw beat by a bit but instead he threw way wide of first, luckily for him the guy didn’t take 2nd. Overall it was a ton of fun. The FSL has some great ballplayers. Matt Dendekker of the st.lucie mets made 2 excellent catches in center. Matt Cerda of the Daytona Cubs made a great stop on a line drive at 3rd base and fired to 1st to get the runner. I havent seen Daytona since the beginning of May but seeing their representatives at the ASG definitely explained why they are playing such great baseball. Hoping they promote all the big guns for the second half so that the TY can pull off their usual second half run uninterrupted. The north pitching held the south to just 3 hits through 8 innings. It was just an excellent game and Clearwater did a great job hosting it.

  51. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 10:19 am

    MTU June 19th, 2011 at 10:13 am
    GB-

    Looks like we’re gonna get a chance to find out.

    We have lot’s of arms to audition for a place in the pen.

    If he gets it together he could have that “Terminator” type quality no doubt.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Call him “The Exterminator”. Let those big feet step on the roaches from Boston.

    Have you been paying attention to Adam Lind with Toronto this year after returning from the DL? He’s in a chase with bautista and closing fast. That’s a left handed bat to have in NY.

  52. Betsy June 19th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    Happy Father’s Day to all the dads out there………….

    I don’t think Girardi is a very good manager either, though I’m not going to go as far as Rich and say he favors the vets. Frankly, that’s a Cashman thing at this point. Gordon instead of Noesi? I can’t say I disagree with Steve Goldman’s take on this (and I don’t like Goldman). Making Noesi a short man when he should be developing as a starter? It’s amazing how the Yankees immediate needs always seem to interrupt a youngsters development – first Phil, then Joba, now Noesi.

  53. Betsy June 19th, 2011 at 10:21 am

    There’s really no one out there that interests me in terms of making a trade for

  54. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 10:23 am

    GB-

    Unless Lind is a FA soon we’d never get him.

    It’s a pity AL East teams tend to not want to trade with each other.

    There are some really good left-handed arms I would love to steal from some of our competitors (e.g. Romero, Matusz).

    Price would look very good in the stripes someday too.

  55. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Thanks for that. TY. Not sure what was less of a surprise….Lyerly’s 2 hits or his error. Eventually, he’s going to hit for power, but, right now, he’s content with just hitting his doubles and knocking in runs. That glove, though. You’ll get the same type of player by next year in Rob Segedin….though he has been playing some left field this year.

  56. Yankee Trader June 19th, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Gordon is probably starting the next game and not Noesi, because it’s an interleague game and he can hit.

  57. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    Noesi isn’t innings challenged like the others were. One half of a season in the pen, where he’s been outstanding isn’t going to stunt his growth.

  58. Betsy June 19th, 2011 at 10:27 am

    MTU, why would they trade with each other? You don’t see many teams trade within divisions – it’s understandable as no team wants an ex-player to come back and haunt them

  59. Betsy June 19th, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Maybe not, GB, but I’m still having a hard time getting past the idea that the Yankees chose Gordon over a promising kid like Noesi (not that I’m saying he’s going to be Cy Young or anything).

  60. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 10:32 am

    Betsy-

    I could be wrong but it seems like there used to be more of it back aways.

    It’s become taboo. Verboten.

    Value for Value isn’t a bad concept.

    What would be so bad with us trading with Baltimore ?

    They are out of it anyway.

    I know it ain’t happening. That’s just not the way business is done these days I guess.

  61. tyanksfan36 June 19th, 2011 at 10:34 am

    GB

    just watching Lyerly’s approach in the field, he doesnt seem comfortable fielding the ball, he is kind of stiff, he doesnt put effort into knocking the ball down, even if he doesnt make a play on it at least knocking it down would turn a potential double into a single. I cant put my finger on exactly what his problem is, though watching him next to other 3rd basemen you can see the flaws in his play. But the minor leagues is developmental so hopefully someone can work with him on it. His offensive upside is too great for all those errors.

  62. yankeefeminista June 19th, 2011 at 10:37 am

    GB,tyanks – I haven’t seen Lyerly play; however, Segedin’s D at 3B was pretty poor when I saw the RiverDogs play at Lakewood earlier this year.

  63. Betsy June 19th, 2011 at 10:38 am

    MTU, I don’t recall that really being the case…………and it would never happen with the Yankees anyway. Baltimore hates the Yankees and would never deal with them even if they weren’t in the same division. Obviously the Sox and NY would never make a deal. Toronto hates us almost as much as Boston – I get that we made the Clemens deal, but that was a long time ago – and Tampa? Kind of the same thing – plus, I would never make a deal with them because I believe they would always get the best of it. They are such shrewd talent evaluators. It’s best for the Yankees to finally try and develop their own talent.

  64. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Noesi is learning the hitters. NYYs need him in the pen where he has the best pitching coach in baseball in Rivera. He has a total of 17 AA starts and 7 AAA starts. That’s not a lot. He’s doing fine and if a need for another starter come along, he’ll get it if he matches up well with the team. Let him succeed where he’s at for the time being. People complain about rushing the young pitchers and then complain when they don’t bring them up when they want them. The Hell with what the fans want. There’s plenty of time to turn on them when they have the nerve to disappoint them. Look at the complaints about Nova.

  65. tyanksfan36 June 19th, 2011 at 10:39 am

    I thought it was interesting to see that the Braves traded Omar Infante and Mike Dunn to the Marlins for Dan Uggla within the same division. Not sure how it has worked out for either team though as its still early in the season. I know that raised a bit of concern for fans of both teams.

  66. RadioKev June 19th, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Betsy June 19th, 2011 at 10:30 am
    Maybe not, GB, but I’m still having a hard time getting past the idea that the Yankees chose Gordon over a promising kid like Noesi (not that I’m saying he’s going to be Cy Young or anything).
    ——–

    Easy. I like Noesi too, so it’s not like I’m not hot on him.

    First, Gordon is on the team to make spot starts. Once Colon comes back as planned, he won’t be starting anymore. Maybe he’ll be shifted to the pen, maybe he’ll end up at AAA, but he probably won’t be a starter.

    Not starting Noesi means you can use him more frequently and in more flexible game situations. Gordon goes short? Pitch Noesi. Nova goes short? Pitch Noesi. Need an early one inning reliever? Pitch Noesi. He’s good, he throws quality innings and keeps the team in the game. There’s value there when it’s those “fire extinguisher” moments like Robertson was used for. There’s value to having a guy pitch quality innings when the team is down, or it’s close and still early in the game. If you start him, you only get him every five days too while Colon is out.

    Gordon’s stuff also probably wouldn’t play up as well in the pen as Noesi’s. Oh, and also, Aceves had issues after going long in a few rotation starts. I don’t clearly recall it, but I do remember Aceves having issues bouncing back after making some spot starts.

  67. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Betsy-

    I’m all for the Yanks developing their own.

    And that looks like just what they are trying to do.

    Just don’t ever expect them to be the Twins.

    They will always supplement from w/o when appropriate.

    More and more teams are relying on their farms for certain things.

    Time to find that new core 4.

    ;)

  68. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 10:43 am

    TY/YankeeFem, both Lyerly and Segedin remind me a lot of Wade Boggs at this point….great bats but lousy 3rd basemen. Only real difference is that Lyerly and Segedin strike out more than Boggs, but, same type of fielders and hitters. Make no mistake, their future is with the bat, but, maybe in ST next year, the Yanks can turn them over to Kelleher and Nettles for a crash course.

  69. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Dog walk time.

  70. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 10:47 am

    MTU June 19th, 2011 at 10:45 am
    Dog walk time.

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    aka – time to feed the snakes

  71. Crawdaddy June 19th, 2011 at 10:48 am

    I don’t remember Boggs making that many errors like Lyerly and Segedin.

  72. tyanksfan36 June 19th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    MTU

    The team that most promotes from within is the Rays. Look at their rotation. As soon as Neimann went down they promoted Alex Cobb, last year it was Hellickson and he thrived. They just have great pitching in their minor league system up and down. The lefty they have in AA, Matt Moore pitched a complete game no-hitter on Thursday. He has struck out 103 batters in 77 innings. That is a guy to be worrying about in the next few years.

  73. BronxBorn June 19th, 2011 at 10:50 am

    Chad that is a great story. Thanks for writing it. It is stories like this that really make baseball special. Scott devoted 10 years of his life to create his glove. Bravo for him.

    Hello MTU and GB. It’s been a while since I have posted on here.

  74. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    gb7-

    yesterday’s home plate collision which was handled in a text book fashion by martin was a perfect answer to the critics of the buster posey collision blaming the runner.

    you were one of the few who noticed that posey had his feet under him in a way that when he was knocked back they would be forced in an unnatural position when he was hit.

    martin on the other hand was hit just as hard, but as he said , he went with the hit. his feet did not get tangled under him. martin also said the catcher has to feel when he can do the hitting or that he has to give and take the hit.

    this judgement of when to take a hit by the catcher is just like a base runner having good instincts or not on the bases. players either have it or they don’t. when a catcher doesn’t have it, they should move him to another position because he’ll eventually get hurt.

    guys like martin can feel the hit coming and react accordingly. it seems to help for a guy to relish the contact like martin seems to. it is actually fun to have a good collision at the plate for some catchers. martin is one of them.

    the one time i saw montero block the plate , he wiped out the runner. if he has these same instincts as martin for contact, it will help montero tremendously back there because catching is as much attitude as anything. you have to want to do it. you have to like the contact not just on collisions, but on foul balls, balls in the dirt. all of it.

    anyway, martin is very good at this aspect of the game, and it will get him a lot of respect in the clubhouse and on the field.

  75. West Coast Yankee Fan June 19th, 2011 at 10:51 am

    Regarding Noesi and Gordon. Who cares who starts. The idea is for the Yankees to win the World Series. Every year, that is the goal. It’s Brain Cashman’s job as the General Manager with the support of the owners to provide the players to give the Yankees the tools to do that. And achieving or not achieving that goal is what they will be judged by.

    This isn’t an emotional endeavor; management is not going to make a decision based on who deserves a shot. And why would Noesi deserve a shot? One could make the case that Gordon worked much harder to get here. Home grown players are great to have on your roster; salary friendly is a good thing. But Noesi isn’t going anywhere; what’s the rush?

  76. Betsy June 19th, 2011 at 10:52 am

    GB, I happen to think the complaints about Nova are unwarranted because he’s just a kid and he should be their #5 – what do they expect from a youngster? It’s not easy to pitch – period. Well, I can’t argue with what you’re saying and, at least for the time being, he’s really helped out in the pen.

    Kev, the idea is to develop starting pitching. It seems like the Yankees think all of their promising kids are extremely well-suited to the pen. However, I don’t imagine that Noesi’s future with this team is in the pen, so while it still annoys me, I guess I should just relax about it.

    MTU, I don’t expect them to be the Twins (I’m not as gung ho on the team being made up mostly of kids as Rich is, for instance), but they’ve not had any luck in developing young starters thus far. Keep in mind that Cashman is the one who said that he didn’t want to have to keep signing FA pitchers – all teams are basically locking up their youngsters, even the ones who don’t appear to be aces in the making. That means that the Yankees are going to have to live with growing pains – and yet if they are not willing to do that, if they constantly try to patch the rotation together, we’re going to go through the same thing over and over again by signing journeymen. I’d say that it was a NY thing (fans and ownership don’t have the patience to not win right now, except that I think it’s the same thing in Boston.

  77. tyanksfan36 June 19th, 2011 at 10:54 am

    The thing that strikes me most with Lyerly is his reaction time at 3rd. He doesnt get the jump off the bat like you would expect a 3rd baseman to do. In the game last night the Daytona 3rd baseman reacted just like I would expect on a hard hit ball down the line, he lunged to his right, made the stop and made a strong throw. Lyerly would never do that, he is just too stiff in his position. Kevin Mahoney makes the quick reaction jumps when he plays 3rd but he doesnt have the offensive upside that Lyerly has. (I brought up Kevin because he is the only other guy we have that plays 3rd)

  78. RadioKev June 19th, 2011 at 10:56 am

    BronxBorn,

    I don’t think Chad wrote it, looks like it’s from the Associated Press.

  79. RadioKev June 19th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    And Randy L.,

    Martin was set different, but Pena also hit Martin differently. He kind of went for a push, where as what’s his face when more for a hard shoulder dive (that’s off the top of my head, it could be factually incorrect).

    Just making sure you’re not suggesting it’s Posey’s fault, it was just a different context all together.

  80. yankeefeminista June 19th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    tyanks, Matt Moore is exceptional, a power lefty with ridiculous K rates. I have wanted to see him pitch for two years, but Montgomery never plays at Trenton because Montgomery’s in the Southern League.

    I liked the idea of Hughes going 65 pitches for the obvious reason. However, Rothschild was quoted as saying Hughes would go four or five innings or 60 pitches today.

  81. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 10:59 am

    Morning, Randy. Hope all is well. Yeah, Martin can be annoying with some of his plate selection, but, more and more, he’s reminding me of Mike Scoscia as a defensive player. He likes the physical part. It would be nice to see him have at least two more months like April, though and get ready for October.

    Montero, as you say, is not afraid of contact, either, though not sure the Yanks like the way he does it. Gets on both knees when blocking the plate, sitting back on both heels. It’s not all the time, but, he’ll burt more runners than they’ll hurt him. The only thing that makes me cringe in diving head first into the runners feet when they slide. It’s been years since NY has had catchers blocking the plate like that. Munson?

  82. Tom in N.J. June 19th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    Martin was blocking the plate, Posey wasn’t.

  83. tyanksfan36 June 19th, 2011 at 11:02 am

    The thing with Buster is that I dont think he has been in enough home plate collisions to know exactly what to do every time. Martin has played in the major leagues for a while and has probably been in a lot of different home plate collision situations so he can see the play developing and know what to do based on experience.

    Im not saying that how Buster handled the collision as it was happening should be excused because he hasnt been around that long but just something that should be considered or that I considered. I have a lot of respect for catchers because I know if I was in the position and someone was running at me full speed it would take a lot to stand there and take it instead of running to get out of the way.

  84. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 11:03 am

    Take a look at Wade Boggs defensive numbers fro the minors and early major league career. He was brutal.

    http://www.baseball-reference......ggs-001wad

  85. tyanksfan36 June 19th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Yankeefem

    I am going to see the Jacksonville Suns in August and we are going just after Montgomery leaves. I saw Matt Moore pitch in the FSL Championships last season and I was pretty impressed to say the least. He is just dominant. To see that he has had the same success in AA that he had in high A so far is impressive.

  86. RadioKev June 19th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Betsy,

    Yeah that’s fair. He’d learn from a spot start or two. We’ll see what his future will be with the system. It could largely depend on what Nova, Garcia, and Colon show us for the remainder of the season.

    Anyways, time to enjoy a beautiful day. Take care folks.

  87. BronxBorn June 19th, 2011 at 11:05 am

    Yep, my bad… still a good story.

  88. yankeefeminista June 19th, 2011 at 11:14 am

    tyanks, lucky you! Although a Ray, Moore has been a favorite of mine (and probably a lot of other people, considering his exceptional gifts). I am unsurprised that Moore has seamlessly transitioned to AA. I do get to see the Red Sox and Jays AA prospects a lot but would love to spy on the Rays picks, especially the pitchers. I actually hope to see Rays short season affiliate, Hudson Valley, who play SI multiple times throughout the season. They are the only affiliate that play games in the NY metro area.

  89. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Here’s a blast from the past….sort of…

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....d=16017465

  90. Stoneburner June 19th, 2011 at 11:16 am

    Segedin is no Wade Boggs hitting wise – Boggs had a ridiculous batting eye and bb to k rate – plus one was a lefty – the other is a righty I believe. Segedin is also a 22 year old playing in low A Ball this year – at the same age – Boggs was knocking on the door to becoming one of the best hitters of the 80s while playing in AAA.

  91. mick June 19th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Not starting Noesi means you can use him more frequently and in more flexible game situations. Gordon goes short? Pitch Noesi. Nova goes short? Pitch Noesi. Need an early one inning reliever? Pitch Noesi. He’s good, he throws quality innings and keeps the team in the game. There’s value there when it’s those “fire extinguisher” moments like Robertson was used for. There’s value to having a guy pitch quality innings when the team is down, or it’s close and still early in the game. If you start him, you only get him every five days too while Colon is out.
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    Good synopsis on replacing the ever so valuable Aceves.
    Not hard to understand, I guess some people need it drummed in though that this is a team sport.

  92. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Waiting for the GCL to get started tomorrow is as bad as waiting for NYYs opening day. It takes forever to get here.

  93. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 11:21 am

    Boggs was 24 when he got to the Bigs. I never said Segedin and Lyerly were Boggs, only that they were all good hitters and lousy fielders and had a lot of similarities. Whatever.

  94. yankeefeminista June 19th, 2011 at 11:22 am

    GB, going to see Hughes with SI at Brooklyn today. Aside from seeing Hughes, I can’t wait to get a look at all the kids. GCL should also have a ton of talent.

  95. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 11:26 am

    YankeeFem, I was thinking that Hughes was opening up with the GCL. Great. Maybe YES will broacast the game….not likely. Still. I’ll listen to it on the radio. They usually give gun readings, if they remember it. Enjoy your game.

  96. tyanksfan36 June 19th, 2011 at 11:28 am

    yankeefem

    Has Michael McDade done well for the Jays AA team? I know he was a thorn in the side of the FSL teams last season. Joe Savery got promoted to the Reading Phillies. He has made the transition from pitcher to position player very well, as much as I will miss him(not really) I hope that things go well for the rest of his career.

    I dont get to see the Rays team often because they are in the south division and the TY only play them twice a season, once on the road which theyve already done and once at home which will be at the end of July. I got to see Tim Beckham in the championships last year. In one game he went 0-fer I think and in the other he was on fire.

  97. Stoneburner June 19th, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Boggs was not just a good hitter – he was a great hitter. Come on – the guy had almost TWICE as many BBs as Ks for his career – that is insane. I think there are better comparisons than a HOF with multiple batting titles to compare Segedin – a practically post-college age hitter still in low A ball.

  98. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    YankeeFem.

    Bichette should draw a lot of attention from the folks that can’t wait to do the “I told you he was a bum with nothing but power”. His pick was panned by just about everyone. Even the fans that probably didn’t know who he was have complained about the pick…like they know all about these kids. If he produces what his father did, he’ll be worth the 51st pick.

  99. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Stoneburner June 19th, 2011 at 11:29 am
    Boggs was not just a good hitter – he was a great hitter. Come on – the guy had almost TWICE as many BBs as Ks for his career – that is insane. I think there are better comparisons than a HOF with multiple batting titles to compare Segedin – a practically post-college age hitter still in low A ball.

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    What part of referring to fielding deficiencies do you not understand?

  100. yankeefeminista June 19th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Thanks, GB. Too bad the Yanks are on ESPN tonight vs. YES because I think YES would have shown some pregame footage of Hughes. I am not sure if Brooklyn has gun readings, but I am sure everyone and his brother will be tweeted Hughes’ velocity. I especially can’t wait to see Cito and Mason Williams play.

  101. tyanksfan36 June 19th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    GB

    I get off work tomorrow at 12:30, If I wasnt already going to see Clearwater and the TY that night I would drive up to the minor league complex to see the GCL game. Looking forward to July 2nd when I can go see a whole game.

  102. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 11:36 am

    BB-

    Good to see you around. Happy FD. Hope all is well.

    Betsy-

    The Yanks do need to do better in developing their young arms.

    TY-

    The Rays have a very good farm system but it’s pretty easy to have an outstanding one when you’ve had as many high draft picks as they have. This year alone they had at least 10 picks in the 1st 100.
    Imagine what the Yankees could do with that.

  103. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 11:37 am

    GB-

    You are going to be pleasantly surprised with Hughes gun readings.

    At least 91-93. maybe more at times.

    ;)

  104. Stoneburner June 19th, 2011 at 11:39 am

    The only reason we talk about fielding inadequacies is if the player has a “special” bat. We are not sure if Segedin has that special bat. To get to the defense comparison – you have to establish first it is that generational bat – and more importantly – batting eye.

  105. yankeefeminista June 19th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    MTU, RE: Hughes, from your lips to God’s ears. He basically sat around that and topped at out 93 on a 30 pitch count. Would love to see the same over 60+ pitches.

  106. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    “Just making sure you’re not suggesting it’s Posey’s fault, it was just a different context all together.”

    i am making the side point it was in fact posey’s fault . i could see it right away he was going to get killed. posey made a really bad decision in how he took that hit.

    gb7 was one of the few on the blog that saw that as i did.

    my bigger point is it’s hard to teach a guy like posey to take a hit if he hasn’t already had lots of practice . marting seems to have that canadian hockey mentality and probably grew up getting clobbered as gb7 and i did growing up.

    there’s an art to collisions and a lot of yung catchers don’t have it. i mean how do you practice collisions ?

    posey not only didn’t take the hit properly, he complained about it afterward. that’s just a real no no for a catcher. you gotta love the contact. i predict posey won’t be catching three years from now because of his attitude that it was the runner’s fault.

    the only reason that posey’s hit looked worse was because posey planted himself and resisted the hit when martin gave with the hit.

    had martin planted himself the way posey did, you would have seen just as bad of a hit.
    that is my point to compliment martin. he did it the right way.

  107. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 11:41 am

    YankeeFem/TY, unlike most of the folks, I don’t pay much attention to the high school and college players because there isn’t enough coverage on TV to see that they are really like. I have no problem waiting to see the picks play. That’s the good thing about MiLB, though I wish that they’d televise more of the lower classification games other that Bryce Harper’s. Not really intersted in the other organization players except when they play the Yankee teams. It’s after the draft that I start paying attention. Nothing worse than the player experts who have never seen them play.

    I envy those that have a schance to see more than just one classification play. I would kill to get to more games with Charleston, but, the friend that went to see games with me and taking his boat has passed away, and gas costs are getting too expensive to make those travels worth going.

  108. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    “Boggs was not just a good hitter – he was a great hitter. Come on – the guy had almost TWICE as many BBs as Ks for his career – that is insane.”

    not only that, i think he would pop up to the infield maybe twice a year if that.

  109. tyanksfan36 June 19th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    MTU

    I know that the reason their farm system is so stocked is because of all the top one picks they have had in the past and especially this year. I just with their “fans” could understand that too. They have done well with their late round picks and in trades but I think they get more in trades than most other teams. Look at the Matt Garza trade. He wasnt even that good and they got a ton of the Cubs top talent for him. The Yankees/Red Sox/Phillies would never get such a good deal on a not so great player like Garza. I think its only a matter of time before teams catch on and dont give up as much to the Rays.

  110. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 11:47 am

    YF-

    He’s coming along and as long as there isn’t a setback he will continue to progress like it was a normal ST redux.

    He can be a real weapon in the 2nd half.

    He’ll be healthy, he’ll be rested, and he’ll be hungry.

    All of which we’ll want. A potential not so secret weapon.

    Stay optimistic. Nothing to loose.

    :)

  111. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Randy, I grew up in Michigan, playing hockey on the frozen rivers. You not only had to skate hard and get faster, but, playing river hockey, you’d better be able to take a hit. It was as brutal as playing football in the streets. Loved it, though. I think that Posey was just disappointed in the injury and showed it in his remarks, but, like you said, it sets a bad precident. Runners may start targeting him to see if he gets gun shy.

  112. mick June 19th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Those who wonder why Montero isn’t here yet should take a look at Martin.
    This should answer that question .
    Martin is a catcher. A goalie for AJ.
    Could Montero provide this?
    He might be a better hitter but defense is more important behind the plate.
    Simple as that.

  113. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 11:51 am

    TY-

    Though I don’t like Maddon I do have a lot of respect for their GM.

    IMO He seems shrewd. He seems to get a lot done with a minscule budget.

    I hope you’re right about other teams not getting fleeced by them.

    That can only help our cause.

  114. yankeefeminista June 19th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    MTU, I couldn’t agree more. I am highly optimistic w/regard to Hughes.

  115. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 11:52 am

    randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 11:44 am
    “Boggs was not just a good hitter – he was a great hitter. Come on – the guy had almost TWICE as many BBs as Ks for his career – that is insane.”

    not only that, i think he would pop up to the infield maybe twice a year if that.

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    This was never about Boggs as a hitter. It was about comparing the three as a fielder. The fact remains though that both Segedin and Lyerly can flat out hit. Boggs was on a different level, but, I believe that he would have had more value to Boston if he sacrificed a few points in average to hit for more power. Mattingly, before the injuries made that conversion from slap hitting to a top power threat. Boggs could have been that type of player.

  116. yankeefeminista June 19th, 2011 at 11:56 am

    GB, I agree that there is nothing like seeing the Yanks picks ones self. Scouting reports leave a lot to be desired. I am very excited that SI season has started. I also like to keep up on AL East opponents’ prospects when they play us to evaluate what other teams have. Some of my favorites games have been those in which I see matchups like Betances vs. Kyle Drabek, or see a ballyhooed defensive player like Hechavarria (he is a wizard on D). Lower level coverage would be great to have access to. Maybe it will happen eventually. I wish for you that you could see some of these kids play in person.

    Playing river hockey is the best hockey, bar none.

  117. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    “Martin was blocking the plate, Posey wasn’t.”

    i watched the posey play probably fifty times and he clearly turned and tried to tag the runner .

    the runner had every right by the present rules to hit him.

    posey was clearly not doing a swipe tag.

    he just made a very bad defensive move on his part.

    sure the runner could have did a fade away slide and posey would not have reached him, but these decisions are made in a split second . what if posey was a spit second earlier and the runner was tagged out by posey as he tried a fade away tag.

    posey was trying to get at the runner. he just didn’t have the instincts that martin had yesterday.
    my point is to laud martin for being really good. i think some yankee fans may not realize how good that play was yesterday.

    it was phenomenal. watch it again and see how martin spins off the contact on impact. martin reduced the impact by probably 60% by the way he took the hit. it was conscious too. he knows exactly what he did.

  118. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    YF-

    Then you and I are on the same page.

    Please give us your Hughes field scouting report when you get a chance.

    Would love to hear your 1st hand impressions.

  119. BD (Boston Dave) June 19th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Somebody…. please….

    Tell the world that the Yankees have actually allowed less runs than the mighty Red Sox!

    Today on Boston.com (regarding signing Scott Kazmir):

    “And nobody would be surprised if the Yankees are another, considering the breakdown in their pitching.”

    breakdown?? does that mean the Sox pitching has completely imploded?

  120. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    YankeeFem, I got to see a few of the GCL league kids over the lat couple of years when I had to make the trips to tampa for treatments. Always a good time. That’s where I first saw Laird, Montero, and the kid pitchers. It’s an entirely different viewing experience. I don’t get down there much any more since I don’t need the treatments. I get the checkups a couple of times a year and see the kids then. Pretty much restricted to the charleston and Savannah games. Being on a fixed income stinks as much as gas prices.

  121. mick June 19th, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    McCarver, a former catcher, did not praise Martin enough on that play.
    He , in fact, complimented Gardner moreso, although he said Gardner never set up properly for the throw, which was nonsense.
    He was coming in on the play and his momentum carried him right into the throw, a perfect one-hopper.
    Martin made the tag and glanced off the runner in one motion.
    I think many underestimate his abilities behind the plate.

  122. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    The Yankee bullpen, even with the numbers of Soriano and sanit still have the lowest ERA in baseball. The rotation isn’t far behind. what are they? 4th in the league and closing fast. Something else they’ve done so far…the pitchers have cut down on homers allowed. they’ve given up the fewest.

  123. tyanksfan36 June 19th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    Yankeefem/GB

    I love watching these games but I havent watched enough baseball at all the levels to know exactly what to look for when I watch games. There is a guy I sit with at our games who has seen a ton of baseball and he can pick out how well someone fields their position compared to how it is expected to be fielded. Unfortunately he is moving. I just tend to pay attention to things when its too late, like I never see the way the players form the cutoff points until after the play where he and probably yourselves see that as it is happening. I think I would get more out of it if I had someone who pointed that stuff out on a more constant basis for me. I have ADD so I get distracted and pay attention to the not important stuff.

  124. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    “Mattingly, before the injuries made that conversion from slap hitting to a top power threat. Boggs could have been that type of player.”

    our buddy carl taylor was the yankees main BP guy when boggs and mattingly were there and swore boggs in bp could hit the right field upper deck whenever he chose to in pre game BP. carl said he had unbelievable power when he wanted to use it. he just happened to want to get those three thousand hits more.

  125. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Manny Ramirez will be drawing a pretty good allowaence from the Dodgers and Red Sox for a good while. Nobody seems to talk about what boston has to pay him to sit home.

    “•The Dodgers owe Manny Ramirez more than $8MM in deferred payments but the charismatic twelve-time All-Star is collecting a lot more than that. The BoSox owe him quite a bit of money too, roughly $32MM over 16 years. Boston will pay Ramirez through 2026, when he’ll be 54-years-old.”

  126. Joe from Long Island June 19th, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    I don’t listen to McCarver and Buck. Too much stupidity for me to tolerate. Instead, I turn on Sterling and Suzyn; while Sterling can be a bit much at times, he knows some baseball, I think, and Suzyn is a pro at what she does.

    I’m never played at the level of some here, like randy, or Pat M., but I could see Gardner taking a certain route to the ball that put him in position to make his throw, with his momentum going with him. Likewise, I could see Martin take a good hop, and have the time to position himself for the hit. He clearly knows what he is doing back there. He was a tremendous signing by Cash, one that does not get nearly enough credit in terms of his catching, but also his game calling. Getting Brian Gorman through 5 1/3 innings, a guy he had never caught before, with Gorman’s stuff, was a real professional job.

  127. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    “McCarver, a former catcher, did not praise Martin enough on that play.”

    mccarver also said that it was impossible for martin to get crossed up with mariano pitching because he only throws one pitch.

    i guess the two seamer that runs in on right handed hitters that mariano uses to keep righties from cheating put over the plate has escaped mccarver’s quick cram session he does at breakfast to cover the team he is an “expert” on for that night’s broadcast.

  128. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
    “Mattingly, before the injuries made that conversion from slap hitting to a top power threat. Boggs could have been that type of player.”

    our buddy carl taylor was the yankees main BP guy when boggs and mattingly were there and swore boggs in bp could hit the right field upper deck whenever he chose to in pre game BP. carl said he had unbelievable power when he wanted to use it. he just happened to want to get those three thousand hits more.

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    Rndy, I’ve read and heard that about Boggs a few times. He just never seemed to want to be the “man”. Leave it to somebody else. Two others come to mind that they say had great power….Suzuki and Carew. Carew would mail the upper deck in the old YS four or five times in BP. You’d think that with that ability, they sacrifice one at bat a game to take a shot at the seats when the team really needed it.

  129. yankeefeminista June 19th, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    GB, yes, we are first in bullpen ERA in AL, 4th overall. Our overall pitching is 4th in AL in ERA (behind Oak, Seattle and the Angels). Our SP is tied for 6th in AL.

  130. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    ” I could see Martin take a good hop, and have the time to position himself for the hit. He clearly knows what he is doing back there. He was a tremendous signing by Cash, one that does not get nearly enough credit in terms of his catching, but also his game calling.”

    yes cashman beating out the red sox for martin was huge. i’ve always said cashman is at his best when he’s scrambling.

    martin would have been really good in fenway too.

  131. LGY June 19th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    The Yankees have the 2nd highest ERA+ in the AL at 117.

    8 points higher than Seattle who is in 3rd and 13 points higher than Boston.

  132. tyanksfan36 June 19th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    I was watching the brighthouse broadcast of the FSL all-star game and the announcers they had for that were awful. They were clearly Rays homers but there were so uninformed as to what the FSL is. They said that the guys in this league are just a step away from the Majors when in fact theyre about 2 years away. The only that is in the majors now I can remember that played for the TY last season was Noesi and he moved up quick.

  133. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    “The Yankees have the 2nd highest ERA+ in the AL at 117.”

    just curious.

    what’s just their starter’s ERA+ ?

  134. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    I always had wished the Yankees of the early 60s had signed Rod Carew. Imagine him in pinstripes. He was born in Panama, but grew up about two blocks from Yankee Stadium. How did they miss that?

  135. LGY June 19th, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Randy

    I’m not aware of a way to break it down just for starters on bref. This is the best I can do

    CC 125
    Colon 133
    AJ 102
    Garcia 114
    Nova 92

    Hughes 30 :(

  136. yankeefeminista June 19th, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Heading to see Huuuuuughes! Happy Fathers Day, all. Go CC! Go Yanks!

  137. Bo knows June 19th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    I’ll chime in on Martin’s great play back there in all phases, from pitch calling, positioning, framing pitches and so on. Just the general quickness both mentally and physically.He is worth the price of admission.

    As to the kid catchers – it takes years to develop a catcher. To my mind they’re rushing the kids which is why I’m totally on board as to keeping Montero in AAA. He’s got a catcher as batting coach in Butch Wynegar so it’s all good.

  138. Tom in N.J. June 19th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    The Yanks SP have a 3.89 as a staff. They are tied for 6th in the A.L. with, you guessed it, the Twins.

    The A.L average is 3.95.

  139. Crawdaddy June 19th, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    That’s not bad considering the makeup of the starting staff and what division they play in.

  140. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    “I always had wished the Yankees of the early 60s had signed Rod Carew. Imagine him in pinstripes. He was born in Panama, but grew up about two blocks from Yankee Stadium. How did they miss that?”

    i learned the rod carew stance in whiffleball.

    we used to play one teams lineup against the yankee lineup.
    you had to imitate each hitter’s stance .

    the only hitter more fun than carew’s was dick mcAuliffe with his open stance with his front foot on his toe.

    every hitter should play around at some point with carew’s stance because it teaches shortening up on the stroke and getting on plane. its a ridiculously easy way to make contact.

  141. Tom in N.J. June 19th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Fangraphs has a stat called ‘ERA-’ is it just ERA+ in reverse?

  142. LGY June 19th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    Tom

    Looks like it is. I’ve never even noticed it before tbh.

  143. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    “The Yanks SP have a 3.89 as a staff. They are tied for 6th in the A.L. with, you guessed it, the Twins.”

    tempting meatball right down the middle , but

    i’m going to resist in the name of blog harmony :)

    i don’t think the twins would do as well with ERA + though.

  144. LGY June 19th, 2011 at 1:10 pm

    Nice find Tom :)

  145. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    “Colon 133″

    lgy-

    i still can’t get over colon doing what he’s doing.

    he really should be on the permanent scrap heap.

    if there’s anything i’m experienced at it’s catching aging pitchers from bullpen catching in the ill fated senior league for almost two full years. you would see guys pitch like garcia, but not like colon.

    colon is really setting a new standard for comebacks.
    let’s hope it continues.

  146. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Trenton takes a 1-0 lead on a solo blast by Cody Johnson to right center (#14)

  147. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Dick mcAuliff…a name from the past. Gotta wonder if that’s where Brian Downing learned his stance?

  148. AldotheApache June 19th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    A CNN report I spied while sipping on early Father’s Day dirty martinis at the l

  149. AldotheApache June 19th, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    All thumb typing sucks …

    A CNN report I spied while sipping on early Father’s Day dirty martinis at the local Olive Garden …

    Five dirtiest cities in the U.S.includes NY, as well as Philly and LA. Who beat who for the dubious rankings? Answer below.

    I know, I know … who cares? Waiting for a table here and I’m bored, what can I say?

  150. Bronx Jeers June 19th, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    I think the key to Martin handling that hit the way he did was because he had lots of time between catching the ball and contact with the runner. And the ball arrived near chest level.

    Posey was positioned much lower because that’s where the ball was. Also the ball Schierholtz caught probably wasn’t as deep as Gardner’s but the difference was that Schierholtz caught it flatfooted and Gardner caught his like a rushing bull.

  151. RadioKev June 19th, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    It’s funny how “resign” and “re-sign” are so completely different. I completed misread the Edwin Rodriguez headlines and thought “what’s the big deal?”

  152. Bronx Jeers June 19th, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    I’ll take NY and all it’s filth if it means never having to drink a martini at an Olive Garden. :wink:

    And you’re waiting for a table? You must be in the town that the FBI sent Henry Hill to at the end of “Goodfellas”

  153. AldotheApache June 19th, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    GB, I remember McAuliffe.

    Radically open stance, bat held away from his body, high and level to the ground. Weird stance.

    Top 5 dirtiest cities in the U.S. -

    1. New Orleans (or as the locals say, ‘Nawlins’).
    2. Philadelphia
    3. L.A.
    4. Memphis
    5. N.Y.

  154. Crawdaddy June 19th, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    “I’ll take NY and all it’s filth if it means never having to drink a martini at an Olive Garden. ”

    Furthermore, at least you can have an actual Italian meal at some local eatery than some garbage meal at a make-believe Italian chain like the Olive Garden.

  155. AldotheApache June 19th, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Bronx Jeers says:
    June 19, 2011 at 1:48 pm
    I’ll take NY and all it’s filth if it means never having to drink a martini at an Olive Garden.

    And you’re waiting for a table? You must be in the town that the FBI sent Henry Hill to at the end of “Goodfellas”

    ————

    I don’t know about your guy, but this barkeep is to dirty martinis what Ted Williams was to hitting.

    And as for waiting for a table … eight adults, four kids, Father’s Day in so. Florida. You do the math.

  156. Tom in N.J. June 19th, 2011 at 1:56 pm

    I ate at an Olive Garden once.

    I don’t remember where it was, or how I ended up in there, but it hit the spot.

  157. Crawdaddy June 19th, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    “I don’t remember where it was, or how I ended up in there, but it hit the spot.”

    You mean it had you in the john.

  158. Bronx Jeers June 19th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    And as for waiting for a table … eight adults, four kids, Father’s Day in so. Florida. You do the math.

    —————————————————————————————————————-

    Competition with the early-birders?

    True, any drink is only as good as the man who made it. Enjoy your meal.

  159. AldotheApache June 19th, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Crawdaddy says:
    June 19, 2011 at 1:52 pm
    “I’ll take NY and all it’s filth if it means never having to drink a martini at an Olive Garden. ”

    Furthermore, at least you can have an actual Italian meal at some local eatery than some garbage meal at a make-believe Italian chain like the Olive Garden.

    ——-

    Spare me the elitist b******t. This day is about family and Father’s Day. I could care less if it was at McDonald’s.

  160. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Montero is 0-2 with 2 deep flies to left. scranton down 1-0 on a homer by Chad Huffman.

    Cody johnson with a solo homer and an RBI double, but shaeffer hall and Trenton even at 3-3.

  161. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 2:07 pm

    Aldo, it was an odd stance, but, he had a lot of power with it.

  162. AldotheApache June 19th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Thanks Bronx.

    Place is packed already, btw, even at this ridiculously early hour!

  163. Crawdaddy June 19th, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    “Spare me the elitist b******t. This day is about family and Father’s Day. I could care less if it was at McDonald’s.”

    You’re the one that started talking about dry martinis like you’re James Bond.

  164. Crawdaddy June 19th, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    “Place is packed already, btw, even at this ridiculously early hour!”

    Places like those cookie-cutter restaurant chains are always packed on Mom and Pop days.

  165. Rich in NJ June 19th, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    The Olive Garden in Ramsey is always packed on the weekend. I don’t get it.

  166. tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Free bread.

  167. Crawdaddy June 19th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    If it’s all about Father’s Day and family then why is a certain individual making internet posts to a bunch of strangers at their family dinner?

  168. Crawdaddy June 19th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    “Free bread.”

    Don’t forget the salad.

  169. tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Once at Olive Garden was enough for me. Yeah, and salad.

  170. tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Rich 9n NJ,
    I grew up in Ho-Ho-Kus. Ramsey was all farms and Route 17.

  171. Bo knows June 19th, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    I don’t know if it’s elitist but where I go, Poppa is at the cash register, I have to say hello to Momma in the kitchen and discuss what’s good today, grappa during the wait between courses, wine from a rough Broglio to maybe Valpolicella – come to think of it, it is elitist.

  172. Tom in N.J. June 19th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    Beer, Steamed Crab, Pool, Beer, Chicken, Burgers, Beer. Then Yankees. And Beer.

    My fathers day with my pops

  173. tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    Tom in NJ — Treasure these days. Sounds great.

  174. LGY June 19th, 2011 at 2:32 pm

    I thought beer and steak at Del Frisco’s what a great Father’s Day but Tom’s plan sounds pretty sweet.

  175. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Who cares where people eat as long as it’s with people you want to be with. The food tastes like crap if you’re with people you can’t stand.

  176. LGY June 19th, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    *was* a great

  177. Triple Short of a Cycle June 19th, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Well I thought it would be tough to top after Marcums great first inning but Gallardo found a way. 6 runs and 47 pitches. Thank god they pitched their 2 best pitchers in this series.

  178. Pat M. June 19th, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    Just a little rough around the edges this morning….Can’t do the 24 hour turnarounds that well anymore……Happy Father’s Day ( not Happy Birthday as I typed half toasted last night from O’Hare )…Flight Attendant woke me and then the driver woke me ……Yanks at Wrigley in 03 was a big deal, but yesterday was a happening

  179. West Coast Yankee Fan June 19th, 2011 at 2:38 pm

    The Olive Garden isn’t Italian food, it’s really awful.

  180. Rich in NJ June 19th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    tomingeorgia

    I know, Mahwah too. Rt 17 had a grassy island instead of a cement one.

  181. Tom in N.J. June 19th, 2011 at 2:39 pm

    Pat M is Ralph Kiner or Ralph Kiner was drunk?

    “It’s Father’s Day today at Shea, so to all you fathers out there, Happy Birthday.” – Ralph Kiner.

  182. tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Throw in Paramus, Rich. 18 minutes to the GWB!

  183. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Pat M., sounds like you had somebody elses share of drinks on the flight. Good to see that you got home before curfew.

  184. LGY June 19th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    When you give up 6 runs and only 3 of them are earned, that’s not a good sign.

  185. MTU June 19th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    I’ll check back with you all later.

    My Father’s Day. A couple of brewski’s, a really fine burrito, and the
    new version of “True Grit”.

    Enjoy your special day all.

    :)

  186. Triple Short of a Cycle June 19th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Will Boston ever go into a hitting slump? It seems like they have been hitting for the last month

  187. blake June 19th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    Pat M,

    So Wrigley was more alive than 03? Sounds like that series has just been an event the way they talk on TV….great for baseball.

    Olive Garden is pretty bad aside from the salad. Carrabas and Maggianos are much better as chains go.

  188. West Coast Yankee Fan June 19th, 2011 at 2:54 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle June 19th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Will Boston ever go into a hitting slump? It seems like they have been hitting for the last month

    **************

    I wouldn’t count on it.

  189. Rich in NJ June 19th, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Of course, they will. You’re never as good as you look when you’re winning nor as bad as you look when you’re losing.

  190. Stoneburner June 19th, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Triple Short of a Cycle June 19th, 2011 at 2:46 pm

    Will Boston ever go into a hitting slump? It seems like they have been hitting for the last month

    ———————-

    They already did – at the start of the season. Will they again? Who knows. . . . . They now have Carl and Clay on the DL.

  191. Triple Short of a Cycle June 19th, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Problem is they have been winning for like over a month now

  192. kd June 19th, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    was really impressed with martin yesterday. that’s the kind of passion and joy from baseball that is infectious in the clubhouse. it’d be great to see the yankees go out there, play hard, and have some fun for the rest of the season.

  193. Rich in NJ June 19th, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    The season is six months. They have too many vulnerabilities that are likely to be exposed over time. Maybe they won’t, but that’s probably not the case.

  194. tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    I loved playing baseball, played though college, good hitter, third baseman, but really slow. I could turn a double into a single any time. But kd, you’re right. Baseball should be fun to play and fun to watch. Martin’s a player. He loves it all.

  195. Rich in NJ June 19th, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    The only problem with Martin is the durability issue, which seems to be real. That’s why, as I have said, he and Montero could compliment each other very well.

  196. Stoneburner June 19th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Rich in NJ June 19th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
    The only problem with Martin is the durability issue, which seems to be real. That’s why, as I have said, he and Montero could compliment each other very well.

    ——————

    Does not appear that Montero will be happening anytime soon for multiple reasons.

  197. tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    Rich,
    What are the vulnerabilities the Yankees have that virtually every other team doesn’t that are likely to be exposed?

  198. Pat M. June 19th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    GB….I had 1 pre-flight scotch, then my lovely flight attendant fed me, threw a blanket on me and woke me up as we were getting ready to land at LAX…….Driver waiting for me and the next thing I know my wife is waking me up and I’m in my driveway…..Getting seasoned I guess

  199. AldotheApache June 19th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan says:
    June 19, 2011 at 2:38 pm
    The Olive Garden isn’t Italian food, it’s really awful.

    ———

    Idiot.

  200. Rich in NJ June 19th, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Stoneburner

    That may be true, but offensively, Martin is a different player than he was in April, in part because of playing too much, and Cervelli is just so bad that every time they play him, they risk a game destroying play. So they may have multiple reasons for keeping Montero in AAA, but sooner or later he should be here and making a large contribution to winning while catching, DHing, and maybe playing some 1B.

    tom

    You’re point is that the Yankees are more vulnerable than the RS?

    To me, the Yankees’ biggest vulnerability is that the lineup is no longer circular.

    In terms of pitching, I think they’re in much better shape than most people think, in large part because Colon has been an ace, or a least as good as any #2, but also because they have so much high level mL depth.

  201. tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    rich,

    My point is that the Yankees are no more vulnerable than the RS are. I agree about the pitching for the Yankees being better than some people think. If one of ours goes down, somebody steps up. If one of the RS starters go down, what do they do? How about Pappi’s next urine sample? Youk gets hurt? My point is the Yankees are less vulnerable to chance than most clubs.

  202. BoJo June 19th, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Rich in NJ June 19th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
    The only problem with Martin is the durability issue, which seems to be real. That’s why, as I have said, he and Montero could compliment each other very well.
    _____
    Montero: “Russ–I like that color chest protector. IT goes nicely with your pretty eyes.”
    Martin: “Thanks Jesus. You have great taste too.”

    Nah–I don’t care to see them complimenting each other as much as I do seeing Montero becoming as good defensively this year as he can, and then coming up when he is ready.

  203. Rich in NJ June 19th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    tom

    What do you think is the RS’ biggest advantage? Ortiz is a phony, but the media gives him a pass.

    BoJo

    We strongly disagree.

  204. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    Pat M. June 19th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
    GB….I had 1 pre-flight scotch, then my lovely flight attendant fed me, threw a blanket on me and woke me up as we were getting ready to land at LAX…….Driver waiting for me and the next thing I know my wife is waking me up and I’m in my driveway…..Getting seasoned I guess

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I never seem to get those lovely stewardesses. I seem to always get on the flights with their grandmothers. You could have been a pal and mailed her to me.

  205. BoJo June 19th, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Rich in NJ June 19th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
    tom

    What do you think is the RS’ biggest advantage? Ortiz is a phony, but the media gives him a pass.

    BoJo

    We strongly disagree.
    _____
    You don’t think Martin’s chest protector goes nicely with his eyes?

    :-)

  206. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Trenton has a 8-5 lead in the 8th inning. Cody johnson’s having a day. Homer, double, triple, 3 runs scored and 2 RBI. His only out was a long fly to center.

  207. Rich in NJ June 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    BoJo

    Oh, except for that…

  208. BoJo June 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Rich–

    I know how tempting it is to bring up Montero. I actually believe the greatest hitters have a history of putting up their best years before 25…

    However, Cashman seems determined to make Montero as good a defensive catcher as he can be, and have him get full time playing opps to do so as soon as possible. Unless Martin goes on DL, that means Montero is not coming up to be BUC and sometime DH.

    Cashman is putting a premium on C defense in the newer trend of aggressive base running by opponents IMO, and if so, I agree with him.

  209. tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Rich,
    I was saying it’s the Yankees that have the advantage over the RS. Our subs are at least capable, our farm looks good, and our pitching will prove superior. My original question was what Yankee weakness is soon the be exposed?

  210. Pat M. June 19th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Flight attendants always have great hair….No matter what they do their hair it always looks good……Saturday afternoon and evenings are the best time to fly

  211. tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    By the way, I hate Sunday night games.

  212. Pat M. June 19th, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    tomingeorgia….I still point to the bullpen…

  213. LGY June 19th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    Thus far, Ortiz is the biggest difference maker between the Red Sox offense last year and their offense this year.

  214. Rich in NJ June 19th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    Pat M

    In the tv news business, they often say they hire women for their hair and eyes. I think they do the same thing with flight attendants.

    tom

    Right now, imo, the RS biggest advantage is Beckett being all-world. I think he will regress, but he hasn’t yet.

    Again, I think the Yankees’ biggest weakness is that their lineup isn’t circular, so they over rely on too few guys, which can make their run production inconsistent.

    BoJo

    My concern is that they risk getting diminishing returns from Martin because he has to play so much. That’s really what we have seen since April. If they want to wait this until the AS break, fine, but by mid-summer, Montero should be in NY.

  215. BoJo June 19th, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    My original question was what Yankee weakness is soon the be exposed?
    ___________
    Clutch hitting and manufacturing runs could be an issue, and why I think Girardi tries the bunting during season so as to have team ready to do it in play-offs

  216. Stoneburner June 19th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    We just do not know all the reasons for why Montero will not be coming up for the time being. Cashman indicated it was so he can start on a consistent basis. Makes sense. But then you hear/read comments from the actual coaches overseeing Montero:

    Speaking of Montero, the aforementioned link to a Bob Herzog article is behind Newsday‘s paywall, but it’s available via their iPhone app. Summarizing, since the info there doesn’t seem to be making its way around the Yankeesphere:

    • The 21-year-old catcher missed four games last week and is frustrated because he doesn’t think he’s been playing enough.

    • Batting coach Butch Wynegar says, “He’s pressed a bit lately, trying to hit home runs,” and thinks that Montero has gotten a bit pull-happy, an assessment with which Montero disagrees.

    • Wynegar didn’t mince words about Montero’s focus. Money quote: “There are no doubts about his tools. But he’s such a good hitter that he sometimes takes hitting for granted… he’s so confident in his ability that, mentally, sometimes he wavers a bit. A part of me thinks he’s a little bored here. He thinks he’s just passing through. But he still doesn’t understand how tough it is at the big-league level, especially the mental adjustments.”

    • More: “He’s still a little bit immature. He has to grow up a little bit. But the tools are there. Monty is going to be as good as he wants to be. If he wants to be a monster, he’ll be a monster.”

    —————–
    In the end – who knows – it probably is a bit of a mix of wanting him to come up and start with that he is still immature – which makes sense b/c he is only 21 years old.

  217. tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Pat M,
    So far, so good, non?

  218. Stoneburner June 19th, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    One hour I believe until Hughes makes his NY Penn league start. . . .

  219. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    norris427 Josh Norris
    Over his last 10, Gary Sanchez: .389/.450/.611, 5 2B, HR, 4 RBI, 13 SO, 3 BB, SB

  220. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    Pat M. June 19th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
    Flight attendants always have great hair….No matter what they do their hair it always looks good……Saturday afternoon and evenings are the best time to fly

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Gray hair pulled back in a tight bun isn’t quite the same.

  221. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    Johnson doesn’t get his cycle. Looking for a single and he walks.

  222. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    “Gray hair pulled back in a tight bun isn’t quite the same.”

    yes, but it’s way cheaper than botox

  223. tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    GB7,
    Remember when they had weight, height and age limits for Stewardesses (no “flight attendants then)? I quit flying when I didn’t have to. TSA and set pitch did me in.

  224. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Randy, that just gives them wrinkled ears.

  225. tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    SP “seat pitch”

  226. BoJo June 19th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    “Gray hair pulled back in a tight bun isn’t quite the same.”
    _________
    Damn! And I was hoping that look would work for me…

  227. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    “But he still doesn’t understand how tough it is at the big-league level, especially the mental adjustments.””

    well then , send him up to learn how tough it is, and if it’s too much send him back down with the benefit of knowing what to work on.

    i think it’s getting very close to the time to give him a test run in the majors.

  228. LGY June 19th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    Pharma girls are the new flight attendants.

  229. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
    GB7,
    Remember when they had weight, height and age limits for Stewardesses (no “flight attendants then)? I quit flying when I didn’t have to. TSA and set pitch did me in.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    I remember when they were required to be morally loose, too.

    Coming home from VN the first time was a treat. All of the stews were blonde and blue eyed and about 25 years old. On a plane with 300 hungry animals was not the best move by Pan Am. Nice girls.

  230. RS June 19th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    There’s two big differences between the Yankees and Red Sox offense:

    1. Ellsbury vs. Jeter in the leadoff spot: the Sox have a HUGE advantage here. Ellsbury has the much better batting average, OBP, SLG, stolen bases- he’s having an all-star season at the top of their lineup

    2. Arod vs. Ortiz- both are older, in decline, but Ortiz is a guy pitchers fear right now, and I don’t think Arod has nearly as much of a presence at the plate

    I don’t count Gonzalez’s MVP numbers as much of an advantage, because Granderson’s huge year makes up for any lack of consistency from Tex when you compare the two lineups.

  231. tomingeorgia June 19th, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    GB7,
    Used to fly the same flight Chicago to Newark every week. They fit your description. Unfortunately, I came back from VN on a C-141, $8000 coffee maker and all.

  232. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    “Coming home from VN the first time was a treat. All of the stews were blonde and blue eyed and about 25 years old.”

    gb7-

    you do everything the hard way.

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    Tom, I got lucky on my flight. I didn’t return with the group because I extended for 2 months to get the early out.

    Then I got home and ETS’d. Then I did something stupid, I reenlisted. Got out again for 6 years and reenlisted and stayed for another 25 plus years. I had fun, though over the years. Favorite R&Rs were in Australia and Kuala Lumpur.

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    when i was 18 , i just moved to manhattan beach next to the LA airport and had stewardesses all around as next door neighbors.

    te block parties were great.

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    LMAO. I was young back then and my only skills were jumping from planes and wearing grass and branches in my hat. Does smoking grass count as a skill?

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    As much as I think Jeter shouldn’t bat leadoff (or 2nd) v. RHP, batting order isn’t so important that Ellsbury’s superior offensive stats accurately states the RS advantage.

    Similarly, if you want to compare Ortiz and A-Rod in any way, you have to factor in what Alex gives you defensively at 3B.

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  239. LGY June 19th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

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    The Sox main four have been better but the Yanks supporting cast has been better.

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  240. randy l. June 19th, 2011 at 4:35 pm

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    i’ve been working and forgot about the us open.

  241. GreenBeret7 June 19th, 2011 at 4:36 pm

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    it did at those block parties : )

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    Smoking it was never a problem. It was rolling your own while being stoned.

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  246. RS June 19th, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    “As much as I think Jeter shouldn’t bat leadoff (or 2nd) v. RHP, batting order isn’t so important that Ellsbury’s superior offensive stats accurately states the RS advantage.”

    It does make a big difference because Ellsbury being on base all the time creates more RBI opportunities for the big bats. You don’t think the Yankees would score more runs if Jeter was getting on base at a .370 clip in front of Grandy and Tex?

    Right now, Ellsbury is having a season reminiscent of Jeter’s ’09 season…which placed him third in MVP voting. I definitely think that gives the Sox an advantage over other teams, just like Jeter gave the Yankees an advantage over other teams back then.

    As for Arod vs. Ortiz, I was strictly comparing their bats since the discussion was about how well the teams match up offensively. I definitely think Ortiz has had the more powerful presence of the two. His OPS is 1.000

  247. Rich in NJ June 19th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    RS

    I agree that it is an advantage, but just not proportional to their respective splits.

    I get killed around here by some because they think I have a vendetta or some stuff towards Jeter. Obviously, that’s fantastical. I just want to see the team have the best chance to win.

    So yes, Jeter’s OBP v. RHP cries out for batting him 9th. We just disagree about the degree that it hurts the team.

    A-Rod is a bit of an enigma since April.

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