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Pena in the lineup

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 21, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

About five minutes ago, rain started falling really hard here at Great American Ball Park. Now, it’s just steady rain.

Actually, I take that back. In the two seconds it took for me to write those first two sentences, it started pouring again. Downpour.

Brett Gardner LF
Curtis Granderson CF
Mark Teixeira 1B
Alex Rodriguez 3B
Robinson Cano 2B
Nick Swisher RF
Russell Martin C
Ramiro Pena SS
Brian Gordon RHP

UPDATE, 3:16 p.m.: Still pouring, but MLB also just released the latest round of American League all-star voting results. The leaders are the same, with Robinson Cano, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Russell Martin and Curtis Granderson all in line to start. Adrian Gonzalez has widened his lead over Mark Teixeira at first base.

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148 Responses to “Pena in the lineup”

  1. Warning Track Power June 21st, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Warning Track Power June 21st, 2011 at 3:09 pm
    Kay just announced “the rain is coming down really, really hard” right now in Cincy.

  2. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Nice to see jalapena get the start at short.

  3. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    They really need to think about getting Nunez some PT in the OF to keep his bat in the lineup when Jeter comes back.

  4. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 3:17 pm

    No Jones?

    Rich,
    I hope this NL trip doesnt cool off Posadas bat.

  5. upstate kate June 21st, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    YAY no Jonesie…a whine free line up today?

  6. UnKnown June 21st, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    Rich I don’t mean this as trying to start something, but do you really think Nunez has been hitting that well? He has been OK but nothing that has really been eye popping.

  7. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    SoS

    Less Swisher too unless he becomes consistent.

  8. Erin June 21st, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    YankeesPR @teixeiramark25 needs some help! still trails n All-Star voting; @RobinsonCano, A-Rod, Martin, Jeter lead; @cgrand14 holding strong n 2nd

    “Send Tex” doesn’t have quite the same ring to it as “Send Swish” does it? ;)

  9. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    I might get heat for this but I have to give props to Gonzales. He has been en fuego and deserves to be the starter in the all star game.

  10. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Rich,
    I think someone earlier showed Swish batting over .300 in June.
    Do you believe Cashman will do what he said last week and make a move in the trade deadline for just a change of scenery?

  11. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    I’m so glad I’m not alone in hating Andruw Jones. When will this waste of a roster spot be gone?!

  12. mattingly23 June 21st, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    If anyone is curious to see what post Tommy John surgery looks like, Joba twittered some photos of his arm today: Joba’s arm unwrapped

  13. Warning Track Power June 21st, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    SOS-
    Anything is possible when it comes to trades.

    That’s why I don’t read much into “rumors”.

  14. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    I heard Joba went with the bionic arm option. Must come with a warranty.

  15. Erin June 21st, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Dante19jr We win again!

  16. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 3:27 pm

    Yeah, put Nunez in left field in place of Gardner.

  17. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    Erin June 21st, 2011 at 3:19 pm
    YankeesPR @teixeiramark25 needs some help! still trails n All-Star voting; @RobinsonCano, A-Rod, Martin, Jeter lead; @cgrand14 holding strong n 2nd

    “Send Tex” doesn’t have quite the same ring to it as “Send Swish” does it?

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    “When you cast your ballots, Punch Out Mark.”

  18. CountryClub June 21st, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Observe, if you will, the following WAR leaderboard, covering from the beginning of the 2010 season to the current date.

    (click the link to the see the full WAR list)

    There, in 12th place amongst all position players, sits New York Yankees left fielder Brett Gardner. His total of 9.2 is closer to third place then it is to 13th place. Perhaps he hasn’t done it in the traditional way — blasting the ball across the ballpark and hitting his way into the hearts and minds of baseball fans — but there should be little doubt. Brett Gardner is one of baseball’s elite.

    Read more…http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....te-player/

  19. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    WTP,
    If the Yanks continue winning like theyv been of late could cause one of two things. It might keep Cashman from pulling the trigger on a deal come July. Or maybe he wont look like hes so desperate and pull the trigger on a trade without over paying. The only certain I can see for now is a right handed hitter off the bench. Everything else seems to be able to fix internally. Maybe a pitcher for pitcher even swap ala Contreras for Loaza for a change of scenery.

  20. CountryClub June 21st, 2011 at 3:34 pm

    Hitters that are hot….

    Thirty days ago coincides with the end of a stretch in which the Yankees won just eight of 19 games, including that ugly six game losing streak and seven games in which they scored three runs or fewer. The offense has a whole has ramped things up since then (.254/.335/.448 before, .274/.364/.458 since), and at the forefront of that turn around has been the resurgent Nick Swisher (.280/.430/.537 last thirty days), Jorge Posada (.310/.349/.397), and Brett Gardner (.338/.424/.500). All three got off to brutally slow starts, so their coming out parties were celebrated. No one paid much attention to Cano though, and his .330/.381/.573 performance over the last month seems to have gone completely under-the-radar.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2011/.....ano-50855/

  21. pat June 21st, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    Go Hit-deki!

    AnthonyMcCarron Hideki Matsui slugged 332 homers in Japan and has 167 in the majors, one shy of 500 total and he’s got 3 games at Citi against Mets

  22. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    “but there should be little doubt. Brett Gardner is one of baseball’s elite…”

    Anyone else feel like that statement should be ironically/sarcastically followed up with “platoon/bench players?”

  23. Erin June 21st, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    ?When you cast your ballots, Punch Out Mark.?

    ***************************

    :lol:

  24. CountryClub June 21st, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Gardner’s defensive numbers are insane

  25. m June 21st, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Gardner getting some love! I wouldn’t say he’s elite, but he’s definitely on his way to becoming a pretty good player. Expectations were understandably low, but players can contribute in different ways and Brett has definitely done that.

    He’s an easy guy to root for.

  26. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    Because of the Cincinnati weather, this will be me if the game doesn’t play.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYU6R_dXGDk

  27. CountryClub June 21st, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    M,

    The way baseball is deciding who is and isnt elite is changing. With offense dropping again this yr, defense and base running is becoming more and more important (base running isnt just stealing bases). According to that article, Gardner is only 1 of 2 players in baseball that are 5 runs above avg with the bat, on the bases and with the glove (I think he was 40 runs above avg with the glove).

    Do I consider him elite? Probably not. I never considered Crawford elite so I guess I cant consider gardner elite either. But they’re both darn elite on defense and darn close overall.

  28. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Erin June 21st, 2011 at 3:43 pm
    GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    ?When you cast your ballots, Punch Out Mark.?

    ***************************

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Hopefully, there’s nobody hanging chad.

  29. randy l. June 21st, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    “There, in 12th place amongst all position players, sits New York Yankees left fielder Brett Gardner. ”

    any algorithm that comes up with brett garder being eqaul to adrian gonzalez has to be questioned.

    no one on baseball would trade one for the other.
    no way are they equally valuable players.

  30. blake June 21st, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    “They really need to think about getting Nunez some PT in the OF to keep his bat in the lineup when Jeter comes back.”

    Agree 100%. I think they need to find PT for him and the best way is at multiple spots.

  31. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Shame Spencer June 21st, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    “but there should be little doubt. Brett Gardner is one of baseball’s elite…”

    Anyone else feel like that statement should be ironically/sarcastically followed up with “platoon/bench players?”

    ************

    Previously, based on performance, it was very reasonable to see Gardner as a platoon/bench player. He has been playing much better baseball lately but like Granderson last year, I personally want to see some long-term consistency before I personally call him an elite ball player. He was hitting .248 on June 1st.

  32. blake June 21st, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Do I think Gardner is the 13th best position player in baseball….no…..do I think he’s really good and that his defense is game changing….yes I do.

    LF at Yankee stadium is like the new place fly balls go to die.

  33. upstate kate June 21st, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    I did enjoy the way the espn guys (Valentine especially) were practically drooling over GGBG

  34. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2011 at 3:55 pm

    Can we all at least agree that Gardner is one of the best OF bench players in the league?

  35. Shame Spencer June 21st, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    Whenever I think of Bobby V. this is what I picture: http://gothamist.com/attachmen.....entine.jpg

  36. Erin June 21st, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    How can you not love Gardner?

    One of my favorite things from Sunday was seeing a bunch of Yankee fans who were sitting right in back of where he was playing in LF do a “Brett Gardner” roll call. And Gardner turned around and acknowleged them. :)

  37. m June 21st, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    What I took away from that fangraphs article was Brett’s ISO number. I don’t really understand it, but for someone who’s a “punch and Judy” (whatever that is) or a slap hitting singles player, that sounds like a good thing. At the very least he’s above average in the category for this year.

  38. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    Can we all at least agree that Gardner is one of the best OF bench players in the league?

    ======

    Not until he shows me something on the basepaths.

  39. Erin June 21st, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    edit: acknowledged

  40. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    SoS

    Cash is tough to read, so I don’t know.

  41. Warning Track Power June 21st, 2011 at 3:59 pm

    SOS-Good point. Gardner has a lot of room for improvement as a base stealer.
    Someone has to teach him how to get a better lead, a better read, etc….
    Could be as simple as a quicker 1st step???

  42. Erin June 21st, 2011 at 4:00 pm

    SoS June 21st, 2011 at 3:56 pm
    Can we all at least agree that Gardner is one of the best OF bench players in the league?

    ======

    Not until he shows me something on the basepaths.

    ***************************
    Oh, SoS, you’re such a downer. ;)

  43. m June 21st, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    What was the Gardner rumor this am? I can’t see Cashman trading Gardner now. Unless he’s the MLB player included in the (not happening) trade for an elite pitcher.

  44. Erin June 21st, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    YankeesPR Great view for backdrop of Andrew Brackman interview by @yankeesondemand http://twitpic.com/5eveq7

  45. Warning Track Power June 21st, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    what is the big deal about A. Jones forgetting how many outs there were last night?
    who cares.
    it happens all the time.

    so he forgot.
    then he might have tried to cover that up my faking an injury or pain.
    who cares!
    not a big deal.

    A. Jones is getting criticized for this play because of how poorly he has played to date.

  46. Erin June 21st, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    JackCurryYES Baker: Cueto is fine and will start, weather permitting

  47. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Erin,
    Im just giving Cash some bullet points so he doesnt have to give him a 10 year contract.

    Hope you had a great bday. As usual, was a day late a dollar short. I posted something about it and you had left for the day on the NEWER thread.

  48. m June 21st, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    What’s the big deal?

    It’s that he was smiling when he did it.

    Just kidding!

  49. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    mel,
    Do the lakers not have any picks in the first round? Was that from the Gasol trade?

  50. Erin June 21st, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    SoS-I had a very nice birthday, thank you. Sorry I missed your post. :(

    I’ll look for it when I get home tonight!!

  51. Erin June 21st, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    It?s that he was smiling when he did it.

    ***********************
    when is he not smiling?? ;)

  52. upstate kate June 21st, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    Erin
    how was the game?

  53. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    The big deal was he had just got an rbi on his prior at bat. Lohud fans jumped on the wagon giving him mad love and he followed it up by breaking Yankee hearts yet again. Wheres the trust?

  54. UnKnown June 21st, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    Gordon is good for at least on hit tonight I think.

  55. Erin June 21st, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    upstate kate June 21st, 2011 at 4:09 pm
    Erin
    how was the game?

    ********************
    kate-I had a great time. It was your typical Wrigley experience though-lots and lots of drunken Cubs fans and at least one fight. Always entertaining. ;)

  56. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    “What was the Gardner rumor this am? I can’t see Cashman trading Gardner now. Unless he’s the MLB player included in the (not happening) trade for an elite pitcher.”

    I think Gardner would be more likely be traded, if at all, for an elite OF, who can leadoff, than a pitcher.

  57. Warning Track Power June 21st, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    someone from the press needs to TWEET a photo of the hard rain in Cincy right now

  58. m June 21st, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    CountryClub,

    You’re right about the game is changing. And that’s part of the reason why Cash chose to go with the younger and more athletic Gardner than the typical older, corner OF type.

    As offense (supposively) tapers off, then run prevention becomes more important. So defense should be factored into any discussion on “elite” players.

    But it’s funny you should bring up Crawford. Yes, they are very similar. And Crawford is considered somewhat “elite” (considering that he’s getting paid like it). Those two will be compared for years to come.

  59. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    SoS June 21st, 2011 at 3:56 pm
    Can we all at least agree that Gardner is one of the best OF bench players in the league?

    ======

    Not until he shows me something on the basepaths.

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    gardner has a growing collection of videos on how not to steal bases.

  60. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Does Gardner have smaller leads off first than he did last year? The other day it seemed a bit shorter. Could that be part of the reason hes getting caught at a higher rate this year? Or maybe hes just tipping his pitches.

  61. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Erin June 21st, 2011 at 4:04 pm
    JackCurryYES Baker: Cueto is fine and will start, weather permitting

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    The Yanks will give him a really sore neck in the first inning as his head snaps around on Teixeira’s, Rodriguez’ and Cano’s blasts.

  62. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Rich,
    Which outfielder would you trade Gardner for?

    “gardner has a growing collection of videos on how not to steal bases.”
    GB7,
    I see him and Matsui have something in common.

  63. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    SoS

    I can’t think of any, although it would have to be in a package. My point really is that they can’t afford to trade him for a pitcher because they are so thin in the OF.

  64. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    m June 21st, 2011 at 4:13 pm
    CountryClub,

    You’re right about the game is changing. And that’s part of the reason why Cash chose to go with the younger and more athletic Gardner than the typical older, corner OF type.

    ************

    $$$$$$$$$

  65. upstate kate June 21st, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    well yeah, there is that too

  66. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Was watching a highlight of Mitch Moreland’s massive blast from yesterday and noticed it was off Melancon, so I checked out his stats. I wish the Yankees had played him more consistently and gave him a shot. He is closing for the Astros I guess (6 saves) but check the line:

    34.1 IP 31H 10R 2HR 9BB 30K 2.50 GO/AO 1.83 ERA

    Guy is getting it done, probably would have been a nice 7th inning option.

  67. m June 21st, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    lol, WCYF.

    Gardner also saved us a bundle of money. For years I thought Crawford was a target. But we’re getting equal production at 1/40th the cost. I love it!

    However, it was not always a slam dunk. Cash took a great leap of faith letting Melky go and basically handing Brett the job.

    Rich,

    I think that any team willing to let a corner OF that’s close to arbitration or big contract would have a Gardner type in their system. They might want ptiching or catching instead.

  68. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    Jerkface,
    Wasnt his achillis heal with us his control? It seems like he made adjustments with the stros. He was one of those UNTOUCHABLES not long ago. Goes to show you how things change on a dime. No minor leaguer has trade immunity.

  69. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    Gardner

    April 26th-June 20th: .356/.438/.521 (172 PAs)

  70. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    Cashman needs to do the Gardner for Dejesus trade now while his stock is high.

  71. Erin June 21st, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    AndrewMarchand It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Andrew Brackman eventually became a reliever for Yankees. Yanks think he might be better in short bursts.

  72. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Gardner

    2010-2011: .282/.379/.399 110 OPS+ (806 PAs)

  73. m June 21st, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Erin,

    I don’t want to point and laugh at Marchand, but….that’s not exactly a crystal ball reading there.

    Brackman was very raw. TJS chewed up time. He’s older. A two-sport player.

    Yes, they had him starting. But part of that was to develop him and get him to repeat his mechanics imo.

    But there are other, more polished “pitchers” in the system. So yes, Brackman would make an ideal reliever. Especially considering he has a nice out if the Yankees don’t use him soon.

  74. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    General Managers like Cashman are always at the craps table and you don’t know how a decision is going to turn out until later on. Cashman is betting on prospects right now and is willing to go with older low-cost options, waiver pickups, etc. You also take a chance not moving someone when their value is high. As an example, IMO, they should have dealt Joba two-years ago.

  75. Jason Voorhees June 21st, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Yeah jerkface he was closing as a replacement for an injured brandon lyon. I think lyon is back now though. I ended up picking up melancon on my fantasy team and he put up solid numbers while replacing lyon.

  76. CountryClub June 21st, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    The fan graphs article is looking at numbers from 2010 through today. So it’s a decent sample size. Gardner is a good player and if you factor in the money he’s being paid, he’s an absolute steal.

  77. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Especially considering he has a nice out if the Yankees don’t use him soon.

    He doesn’t. The Yankees still have control of him even after his major league deal ends.

  78. luis June 21st, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Hi everyone,

    I wouldn`t trade gardner for anyone right now. He will and should a mainstay in the yankees lineup for at least the next three to four years, after that i don`t know.

  79. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Anyone?

  80. BD (Boston Dave) June 21st, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    It’s amazing how quickly players can go from “worthless poor excuses for a bench player” to “elite” on LoHud.

    Glad not everybody gave up on Brett Gardner as a useful part of the team after the first month of the season.

  81. m June 21st, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    JF,

    No, i understand he’s under team control. But didn’t someone post a Brackman tidbit yesterday or so? I thought he had an out if they don’t do something or the other? I could be wrong. Or hallucinating.

  82. BD (Boston Dave) June 21st, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    “He doesn’t. The Yankees still have control of him even after his major league deal ends.”

    ————–

    JF,

    can you elaborate? I was trying to figure this out the other night but nobody really had much knowledge of Brackman’s situation.

    I did see he has $1M team options for 2012 and 2013 (though I believe they may only be 400k if he’s still in the minors.)

  83. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    To accept the premise of Brett Gardner as an elite player you need to be willing to concede that his defense is what is providing a huge portion of his value, and that means accepting at face the least prominent portion of any players repertoire. Even with defensive metrics its hard to understand and figure out just how defense is affecting the team. Unlike batting, where its pretty binary for the most part (safe or out), and everyone gets a chance to bat, there isn’t 8 other people playing LF for the Yankees at the same time and you can see that Gardner is clearly getting a bunch of balls they aren’t. You don’t get the kind of feedback baserunning/batting gives you because by denying the other team base hits you’re cutting off big innings before they happen, so we can’t say: Ha, Gardner just saved a huge melt down right there! There will be certain situations where a big play is made in a crucial time, but I think in general its less likely than a huge hit or scoring a run. Scoring a run is always more memorable than saving a run, as a rule of thumb.

  84. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    It’s amazing how quickly players can go from “worthless poor excuses for a bench player” to “elite” on LoHud.

    Glad not everybody gave up on Brett Gardner as a useful part of the team after the first month of the season.

    ——————

    The haters still focus on Gardner’s deficiencies more than any other player on the Yankees.

    Don’t worry. A little slump from Gritner and the 4th outfielder, little leaguer, he’ll be out of the league if he doesn’t learn to bunt, some scrub like Austin Krum in AAA is better, etc. comments will be out in full force.

  85. luis June 21st, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Please excuse my spelling, after all english is my second language

  86. BD (Boston Dave) June 21st, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    I wouldn’t go so far as to call Gardner “elite” if for no other reason than I tend to think of elite players as those who have played at a high level for a longer period of time.

    Elite or not, his value to the team is becoming more and more clear…. and adding lots of value, whether that’s by WAR or not, is where it’s at.

  87. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    JF,

    can you elaborate? I was trying to figure this out the other night but nobody really had much knowledge of Brackman’s situation.

    I did see he has $1M team options for 2012 and 2013 (though I believe they may only be 400k if he’s still in the minors.)

    Major league deals for new players work like this:

    You sign a major league deal for X years, you go on the 40 man because you signed a major league deal.
    Every year you’re not called up you burn options, so Brackman I think has only 1 option left after this year. It could be 2 or 0, I’d have to look.
    While not in the majors Brackman is just like any other minor leaguer, and will be safe from any rule 5 draftings because he is on the 40 man.
    When he gets called up, or runs out of options and the yankees are forced to call him up, he will go on the 25 man roster. The stipulations of his contract will remain.
    Once his contract is exhausted (so if it was a 4 year deal, if that is over.), if he has not spent 6 years worth of service time in the MAJORS, the Yankees will control him like anyone else. Thus they could decline any option he has and offer him arbitration / pay him league minimum.

    Same thing happened with Juan Miranda, he had a major league deal that ran for 4 or so years, that ended last year and the Yankees had a chance to tender him a contract/offer arbitration and keep him on the 25 man (out of options) but they non-tendered/traded him instead.

  88. m June 21st, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    Fangraphs usually does a value ranking on a per $ basis. I predict that Gardner will jump off the chart on the next one.

  89. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    BD,

    Nice post at 4:47.

    It doesn’t matter what you call Gardner. He is clearly a very valuable member of this team and it is not simply because he is cheap.

    His salary is just an added bonus.

  90. BD (Boston Dave) June 21st, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Thank you JF.

    The “MAJORS” part is where I had some confusion. I thought because he had a major league contract, he was accruing time towards the 6 years.

  91. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    One thing to add about Brackman.

    He burned one year of service time at some point while he was rehabbing from TJ surgery. So the Yankees only control him for 5 years once his clock starts again.

  92. Tom in N.J. June 21st, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Gardner’s a funny case-study as a player.

    Despite having all the qualities non-saber guys dream about-scrappiness, grittiness, guts-he was never embraced by them. It’s always a begrudging ‘he needs to do more.’ As if they are disapointed by his success.

  93. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    Options/Service Time/40-25 man is so confusing at times, and I think I am pretty well versed in how it all works. Brackman accrued service time for being on the 60 day DL.

  94. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    I read a couple days ago that Gardner actually lead the WAR board in 2011.
    Can someone slip those stats in Girardis binder so we dont have to have the “jones?What the hell Joe!?” threads anymore?

  95. BD (Boston Dave) June 21st, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    thanks LGY.

    I use that line when I’m asking for a raise at work…

    of course determining how much value I’m adding is always the point of contention :)

  96. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    Can someone slip those stats in Girardis binder so we dont have to have the “jones?What the hell Joe!?” threads anymore?

    Honestly the fact that Girardi plays Jones over Gardner is pretty clear evidence he isn’t going off a binder and instead weighing more gut/thoughtful factors into the equation.

  97. BD (Boston Dave) June 21st, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    not exactly news, or surprising, but…

    “According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, Jose Reyes has told the Mets that he is not interested in negotiating a contract during the season.”

  98. hardwired7 June 21st, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Even if you don’t view his bat as elite, you’d have to be a certified Yankee-hater or blind not to recognize that Gardner is in the top echelon defensively.

    Good luck getting something to fall in the outfield unless you hit to right against the Yanks. Gardner and Granderson have left and center locked down.

  99. Bret The Hitman June 21st, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    YES!

    Jose Reyes…

  100. blake June 21st, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    JF,

    Nice post on Gardner. I think you have to see him play every day to appreciate how many balls he catches, how many doubles he cuts off and holds to singles etc….as others have said….he doesn’t have to be an elite overall player to be valuable l…..especially for what he’s being paid.

  101. Erin June 21st, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    If the rain comes, they run and hide their heads….

    JackCurryYES With rain falling and more due, the Yanks and Reds are talking about possibility of a split DH 2moro

  102. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Good luck getting something to fall in the outfield unless you hit to right against the Yanks. Gardner and Granderson have left and center locked down.

    I wish we had Hit FX data because I’m pretty sure you have either hit the ball incredibly weakly on a line or as hard as possible on a line to get it to fall into LF or CF against the yankees. I’d wager the ‘range’ of ball values that equal an out is amongst the widest in baseball. Look at any play made in the LCF gap and the thing that always strikes me is how often it looks like either Granderson or Gardner could have got the ball. Thats one reason why I don’t like sitting Gardner, its essentially locking down 2/3rds of the outfield.

  103. blake June 21st, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    About once a game…..sometimes more I think a ball is a double in the gap and Gardner winds up catching it with room to spare.

  104. Benny Blanco June 21st, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Can someone explain to me why tex is not batting his career avg…? His first year he finished with a BA of 292. Now it just seems as though he goes 1-4 every single day.

  105. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    About once a game…..sometimes more I think a ball is a double in the gap and Gardner winds up catching it with room to spare.

    After enduring OFs of Matsui/Sheffield/Bernie/Damon/Melky (who was the best defender of the 5!) in the 00s, its been ridiculously awesome to have Granderson and Gardner in the same OF.

    Some of those middle 00s teams were just… not very good in the OF.

  106. Giuseppe Franco June 21st, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Uh-oh, brace yourselves for the next six months while Bret slobbers over yet another player the Yanks aren’t getting in Reyes.

  107. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Can someone explain to me why tex is not batting his career avg…? His first year he finished with a BA of 292. Now it just seems as though he goes 1-4 every single day.

    Change in swing, inconsistency from the left side, more teams shifting against him, he has exited his prime, he spent his formative years in one of the best hitting parks in the game.

  108. RadioKev June 21st, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Gardener’s value really is through the roof. Even if he’s not your definition of “elite” here sure is a hell of a better cost alternative for similar results.

  109. Giuseppe Franco June 21st, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    Ewww. Not a big fan of doubleheaders. And I’m sure the players hate it that much more.

  110. blake June 21st, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    JF,

    It is nice…..how.many free outs were given away during that period of time because of a full OF with no.range……

  111. Benny Blanco June 21st, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Jerkface, he hit 303 in 2008..and hasn’t come close since his first year. Its a damn shame because he has all that talent.. he should be much better than a 250 hitter. if he was batting 303 right now, the allstar votes would be in his favor despite Agon’s 353 av., which is sickening.

  112. Bret The Hitman June 21st, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Red Sox fans drooled all over Adrian Gonzalez for quite some time and then they acquired him. Sometimes slobbering is a necessary evil, like BO or flatulence.

  113. Ed H. June 21st, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Whenever Gardner is on the field there is a substantially increased probability that a breathtaking play will break out without a moment’s notice. This is true whether he is at bat, on the bases or in the field. This is why he has been my favorite Yankee for the past three years.

  114. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    How is David DeJesus doing lately?

  115. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    It is nice…..how.many free outs were given away during that period of time because of a full OF with no.range……

    On the other hand they did mash :)

  116. bruceb June 21st, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    Double header would also scupper Girardi’s plan to give A-Rod two days’ full rest. Forecast not great for Cincinnati tomorrow either.

  117. Bret The Hitman June 21st, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    DeJesus has had a fine career and is still Swisher’s age.

  118. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Tex is hitting .185 .320 .349 .669 with the bases empty, I have to think this is partly due to the ease of shifting with no runners on. Or luck. His .250 average in 2010 was a product of a horrendous start and finish. He hit .350 for an entire month and .280. If he does that this year it will bring his batting average up to around .280.

  119. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Curse of #25? Tex could start by changing his uniform number. It seems to transform .300+ hitters to one dimensional pull hitters.

  120. Giuseppe Franco June 21st, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    # Bret The Hitman June 21st, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Red Sox fans drooled all over Adrian Gonzalez for quite some time and then they acquired him. Sometimes slobbering is a necessary evil, like BO or flatulence.

    ————

    The difference between the two is that the Yanks just signed their shortstop last offseason. You may have heard of him. He’s also their team captain and face of the franchise.

    Also, neither Jeter nor Reyes is going to want to be a DH.

  121. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    How is David DeJesus doing lately?

    =======

    I dont think it matters much. He is destined to wear pinstripes. The #1 most sought after player in the history of Lohud just beating out Arroyo.

  122. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Reyes reminds me of Crawford. Love the speed, not much power, have had leg injuries that make me question investing in them long term. Reyes is having a career year. Coincidentally its in his contract year. Did not hit 300 in his previous 4 years.

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