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Rainout notes: Gardner quietly thriving since late April

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Notes on Jun 21, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Take away his first 18 games this season, and Brett Gardner is a .356/.438/.521 hitter. That’s since April 26, a fairly significant sample size of 52 games and 146 at-bats. In the past 11 games, Gardner has hit a Major League-best .472, and since June 7 he has more walks than strikeouts and an on-base percentage well above .500.

Gardner was so bad in those first 18 games that Joe Girardi had little choice but to dump him from the leadoff spot, but now that Gardner’s hitting again, it’s unlikely he’ll return to that leadoff role when Derek Jeter is healthy.

“I don’t think so,” Girardi said. “Derek’s been our leadoff guy.”

Jeter will remain at the top and Curtis Granderson has been an MVP candidate in the No. 2 hole, which doesn’t leave room for Gardner up top, but make no mistake, he has quietly turned his season around. Without much fanfare — certainly without all the attention of his earlier struggles — Gardner has become the same sort of hitter he was in the first half of last season. He said it started with some late-April adjustments, though he couldn’t remember an exact date that he made the changes.

“Whenever I went like 7-for-70 or whatever it was,” he said. “Whenever I was as low as low got.”

Gardner has moved closer to the plate, an adjustment that’s forced him to attack the baseball because he can’t afford to be late (before he could stay back and just slap the ball the other way). He’s also changed his approach to take advantage of some ahead-in-the-count fastballs. It’s led to Gardner being an unusually dynamic hitter.

Equally unusual is his situation: Jeter is Jeter, which carries weight and obviously leads to a delicate situation when shaking up the top of the order. The Yankees also have Andruw Jones, who’s hit for enough power against left-handers to remain a viable role player, and because of Nick Swisher’s success against lefties and Granderson’s success overall, a lot of Jones’ at-bats have come at the expense of Gardner (something that doesn’t have to be the case when the Yankees are back in American League parks).

“Obviously the ultimate goal is to be an everyday player,” Gardner said. “But I understand that obviously there’s other guys that are going to get at-bats and I understand that. That’s part of it… Maybe a little bit (frustrating) just from the aspect of, when you get on a roll you want to be in there and play every day and try and keep things going. Also, if your not getting a lot of at-bats against lefties, it’s hard to get better against them.”

• Tomorrow’s pitching matchups: RHP Freddy Garcia vs. RHP Mike Leake in the first game, RHP Brian Gordon vs. RHP Johnny Cueto in the second.

• Girardi said the day off was good for his banged up players, but that doesn’t mean Russell Martin and Alex Rodriguez will be available for 18 innings tomorrow. “I think it helps them,” he said. “You definitely won’t see Russell playing two games, and Alex, we’ll have to see. Probably not. It probably helps them physically.”

• Jeter got on the field today in Tampa. He threw, but Girardi wasn’t sure whether he took any swings. It’s still uncertain whether he’ll go on a rehab assignment. “You may want him to go through a game just to see how he feels and how he bounces back the next day,” Girardi said. “The one thing you’d hate is if he was to come back, play a day and then have to take a couple days off.”

• By the way, I vividly remember the Roger Clemens rehab start in Scranton when people were absolutely everywhere. I’d never seen anything quite like it. I can’t imagine what a Jeter rehab would be like. Can a minor league team sell seats on the warning track?

• Injured pitcher updates: Bartolo Colon threw from 120 feet today… Phil Hughes threw a side today… Rafael Soriano played catch and had no problems. Girardi said “the reports were good” on Soriano… Damaso Marte and Pedro Feliciano each played catch.

• Girardi wasn’t sure what exactly Eric Chavez did today, but he said, “I’m sure he hit.”

• Girardi on the decision not to have Eduardo Nunez in the lineup today: “Nuney’s played seven days in a row, with the game he came in, eight. He hadn’t done that since probably last year in the minor leagues. Even though he’s young, you get a little bit concerned about fatigue in the heat and humidity. I worry about all our guys, but when you haven’t done that in a long time, there’s some fear that if he is fatigued, he could hurt something.”

• Andruw Jones rolled ankle is fine.

• Despite Gardner’s recent success and .390 on-base percentage against lefties, Girardi said he still likes having Nick Swisher in the leadoff spot against left-handers. Swisher is hitting .347/.451/.556 against lefties. “Swish has done a good job leading off,” Girardi said. “We did it and Swish had a lot of success over there, so I wasn’t going to change it. You look at the job he’s done, his on-base percentage against lefties – what is it, .430, .440? – that’s hard to beat. You want to set the table before those other guys.”

• Girardi once against expressed confidence in Boone Logan and said he plans to still use him against lefties. “I think it’s consistency of strikes,” Girardi said. “Getting ahead of hitters is important for all pitchers. It comes down to location… It’s been tough for him this year. He had a little streak where he had a good streak going, then he ran into a little trouble. We need him. That’s the bottom line.”

• The beat writers were actually in Girardi’s office when he got the call saying the game was postponed. If you’re wondering how that whole thing goes down, apparently it’s as simple as this: Girardi’s phone rang, it was Red GM Walt Jocketty, and he told Girardi that they were playing two games tomorrow. The whole thing took 20 seconds, but then again, it was so crystal clear that this game was going to be rained out that Girardi suggested we do the pregame interview as if the game had already been called, even though it had not been officially called. There really was little sense pretending there was going to be a game at that point.

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160 Responses to “Rainout notes: Gardner quietly thriving since late April”

  1. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Gardner was so bad in those first 18 games that Joe Girardi had little choice but to dump him from the leadoff spot

    ——–

    Jeter vs RHP: .246 .294 .297

    How bad does Jeter need to be to similarly force Girardi’s hand?

  2. BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    “when you get on a role”
    ————
    You mean “when you get on a roll?”

  3. Laura - I Bleed Blue June 21st, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    “How bad does Jeter need to be to similarly force Girardi’s hand?”

    I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating. Jeter could be hitting .100 and Girardi still wouldn’t move him down in the lineup.

  4. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Nunez needs a rest even though he is young, but Cano doesn’t. :roll:

  5. Laura - I Bleed Blue June 21st, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    bears = bares

  6. Laura - I Bleed Blue June 21st, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    “Nunez needs a rest even though he is young, but Cano doesn’t.”

    Nope, neither does Grandy apparently.

  7. tyanksfan36 June 21st, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    Yankeefem

    Rob Segedin already has a fielding error! It never ends lol. Lyerly belongs at 1st over 3rd. Suttle is much better than he is.

  8. blake June 21st, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    “Gardner quietly thriving……unless Jonesy plays instead”

  9. BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    • Andruw Jones rolled ankle is fine.
    _
    What were the odds against?

  10. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 7:45 pm
    Nunez needs a rest even though he is young, but Cano doesn’t.
    ///

    Cano has needed a good day or two for a while now. For some reason, Girardi just won’t do it. I guess it’s because he doesn’t want to lose his best hitter, but you’ve just got to rest a guy every now and again.

  11. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 7:38 pm
    I thought Betances was getting called up to SWB…is he pitching at Trenton tonight?

    BTW–has his fielding and ability to hold runners close improved any this year?
    _____
    Betances was never going to AAA; that was misinformation.

    Yes, he worked on holding runners close and throwing to second in EST and it went well. He has looked good in the field–he is actually a good fielder–with today’s throwing error as the exception.

  12. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Nunez has been a part time player with minimal PT for most of the season.

    He is prob not conditioned to play everyday like Cano, which is Girardi’s point.

  13. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    tyanksfan36 June 21st, 2011 at 7:47 pm
    Yankeefem

    Rob Segedin already has a fielding error! It never ends lol. Lyerly belongs at 1st over 3rd. Suttle is much better than he is.
    ///

    What I saw of Segedin, limited that it was, he’s not a great defender.

  14. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Cano has an off day Thursday. He’s fine.

    Prime age great players like him play everyday.

  15. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    You want to set the table before those other guys.”

    ——

    It’s entertaining how inconsistent Joe is.

  16. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    LOL At this redundant thread. I guess with the rainout he’s gotta make the monkeys jump, and jump they will :D .

  17. BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Yes, he worked on holding runners close and throwing to second in EST and it went well. He has looked good in the field–he is actually a good fielder–with today’s throwing error as the exception.
    ______
    Good to hear that. Thanks for the update. This is one guy I really look forward to seeing when he is ready. A home-grown Yankee fan making good.

  18. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    2nd inning a little better for Betances.

  19. mick June 21st, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Gardner and Swisher will continue to platoon at leadoff.
    Jeter batting 2nd will not be perceived as a demotion.
    If Girardi is smart this is what he will do.
    If he doesn’t produce in the 2 hole, dropping him further when the time comes will not be as drastic as doing it from the leadoff spot.

  20. tyanksfan36 June 21st, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    J Alfred

    I have heard the same. From GB who has apparently seen him and a few of the people at the Tampa Yankees games. Lyerly isnt a great defender so theres not much of an upgrade. Lyerly made an error on the first day of the season for us and Segedin made an error in his first game. Hopefully his bat can make up for it like Lyerly’s did.

  21. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 7:53 pm

    Bojo, he’s going to be a stud. Book it.

  22. BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    What I saw of Segedin, limited that it was, he’s not a great defender.
    ______
    JMO, but I believe you can take every Yankee prospect with a bad glove and cross them off your watch list. I don’t think Cashman will ever bring someone like that up to bigs, as he has bought into the value of defense.

  23. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    I guess it’s because he doesn’t want to lose his best hitter

    ——-

    I’m pretty sure that distinction goes to Granderson.

    Cano has prob been their 4th best hitter this season.

  24. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Prufrock, But 59 pitches through 2 innings. So much for going more than 5.

  25. BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 7:53 pm
    Bojo, he’s going to be a stud. Book it.
    __________
    I thought Jose Rijo was going to be a stud for us too. Seen too many come and go to believe it before I see it. But I have hopes for this one.

  26. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Who’s playing 3rd for Charleston now, other than JR at times?

    Gil puts first pitch into seats. 3-1 now.

  27. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Aceves walked FIVE players in a row.

    Ryan Ludwick steps in the box and swings at the first pitch.

  28. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 7:57 pm

    yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 7:55 pm
    Prufrock, But 59 pitches through 2 innings. So much for going more than 5.
    ///

    He threw 98 last outing and it didn’t get him very far. But he did economize after the first two, maybe he does that again tonight.

  29. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    YankeeFem, you have just missed the oddest inning any pitcher could ever have. David Phelps just gave up 7 straight hits to open the 2nd inning. He didn’t retire a batter and only 4 runs scored and nobody left on base. One runner thrown out trying to take an extra base, and Phelps picked off two runners

  30. blake June 21st, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Cano has been a lot closer to the player he’s supposed to be lately. Aside from last year he’s always been a slow starter so maybe this is just a normal year for him and he’s going to be awesome the rest of the season. He might have his 1st 30 homer season this year.

  31. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    I thought Jose Rijo was going to be a stud for us too. Seen too many come and go to believe it before I see it. But I have hopes for this one.
    ///

    I see him all the time. He’s going to make it, unless he gets hurt. Manny will be there, too. Good times ahead :D .

  32. BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    LGY June 21st, 2011 at 7:56 pm
    Aceves walked FIVE players in a row.

    Ryan Ludwick steps in the box and swings at the first pitch.
    _______
    I don’t know which is more mind boggling

  33. RS June 21st, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    What is going on here? Aceves walks five straight batters to force in 2 runs, and Mets pitcher Dillon Gee walks four to force in a run.

    Oh, and they are facing the Padres and Athletics!

  34. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Jose gil gets a run back for Trenton with a solo homer

  35. blake June 21st, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    How can the Red Socks be losing to their farm affliate?

  36. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 7:56 pm
    Who’s playing 3rd for Charleston now, other than JR at times?

    Gil puts first pitch into seats. 3-1 now.
    _____

    Lassiter. Interesting to see if a move is made after the ASB.

  37. BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    I see him all the time. He’s going to make it, unless he gets hurt. Manny will be there, too. Good times ahead .
    ___
    IF he stays healthy is always a BIG IF with young pitchers. (I miss Christian Garcia!)

  38. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 7:54 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    What I saw of Segedin, limited that it was, he’s not a great defender.
    ______
    JMO, but I believe you can take every Yankee prospect with a bad glove and cross them off your watch list. I don’t think Cashman will ever bring someone like that up to bigs, as he has bought into the value of defense.
    ///

    I saw him very briefly, but he can hit. Also, he’s only in A. Whole lot of growing to do. That whole Charleston team pretty much rakes. Don’t think I’ve seen a collection of minor league hitters on one team like that before.

  39. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    GB, bizarre. I just read the line and saw that Phelps was getting rocked, but didn’t know the details. If you are watching, how is Montero looking?

    Gil has been hitting well for Trenton. Romine is still about a week away. Thunder threatening, 1st and 2nd with Lyerly up.

  40. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    IF he stays healthy is always a BIG IF with young pitchers. (I miss Christian Garcia!)
    ///

    Sure, just meant that health is the ONLY thing that can stop this one. Like Garcia. Betances & Garcia, in fact, are the best pure arms for us I’ve seen at Trenton. Garcia was just plain nasty.

  41. Tom in N.J. June 21st, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    The Yankees traded away a lot of young talent in the 80s:

    Jose Rijo
    Doug Drabek
    Al Leiter
    Bob Tewksberry
    Otis Nixion
    Willie McGee
    Jay Buhner
    Fred McGriff

  42. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:07 pm

    Speaking of Garcia, he was supposed to have some kind of showcase for teams in April. Never heard anything about it, or him, again.

    Lylerly RBI double, ty. 3-2 Thunder.

  43. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Lassiter. Interesting to see if a move is made after the ASB.
    ///
    Ah. Thanks

  44. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Bojo, nice in theory but we are still drafting corner types with big bats and questionable D. Aside from CF and SS, we aren’t showing much interest in stellar D. Bichette continues that corner trend; he too is more about the bat.

  45. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Montero is 1-1 with a hard line single to center to score a run. Blocked a couple of balls well off of the plate.

  46. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    RS June 21st, 2011 at 7:59 pm
    What is going on here? Aceves walks five straight batters to force in 2 runs, and Mets pitcher Dillon Gee walks four to force in a run.

    Oh, and they are facing the Padres and Athletics!
    ///

    Um, summer solstice?

  47. tyanksfan36 June 21st, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    J. Alfred

    thanks, Good to see Lyerly contributing in a positive way. Rob Segedin’s error led to the first run(unearned) of the TY game. I sadly couldnt make it debut but I look forward to seeing his fielding prowess for months to come. The Thunder should give Lyerly a shot at 3rd…and send Suttle back to Tampa to work on getting his avg. up.

  48. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    Damn, Suttle Ks with runners at 2nd & 3rd. 3-2 still.

  49. PacoDooley June 21st, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    LETS GO PADRES

    Yes, I am having a Yankees withdrawal tonight – come on Aceves, lose one for the Yanks…

  50. luis June 21st, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    4 – 1 Padres, Aceves looks very hittable today

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    I’ve got to get out to Pennsylvania and see this Montero kid we’ve got.

  52. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    Too bad we don’t get the Seadogs again this season in Trenton. They really make Dellin & Manny have to wiggle out of trouble, usually from BBs.

    Speaking of which, No. 4 for DB tonight and 64 pitches in the 3rd.

  53. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Kruml pulls down a long fly from that good Tawainese kid. Sounds like a curve he didn’t finish.

  54. brownies June 21st, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    We can’t shake up the lineup. Must deign to derek despite possibly doing the right thing for the team / organization….at least it seems.

  55. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    3rd WP! Hits Gil in the throat. Sheesh.

  56. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Gardner has been nearly invaluable when you factor in his salary, and will probably get better.

  57. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Betances hits a batter with a pitch inside.

    Definitely bring the kid up for a start in next Boston series :D

  58. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    The kids are having a rough night on the mound. betances with 4 walks, 1 throwing error, 3 wild pitches and a hit batter

  59. hardwired7 June 21st, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    A rainy night in Cincinnati.

    Happy Happy Joy Joy.

  60. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    At least Zoilo Almonte has an idea. Homer #11. Scotty allen has the Tampa lead.

  61. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Tejeda up now. 4-2 Seadogs. Tejeda is a good looking hitter.

  62. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Is anyone else sick of hearing that players are playing catch? On their knees, against the wall? I know its a step up for Sori but I cant wait to hear Soriano and Co. are throwing off the mound.

    Girardi wasn’t sure what exactly Eric Chavez did today, but he said, “I’m sure he hit.”

    Memo to Girardi. Chavez is on your team this year. He might actually help your leaky bench.

  63. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    “The Yankees traded away a lot of young talent in the 80s:”

    It was a lost decade…

  64. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Padres give Latos a three run lead and he rewards them by coming out not being able to throw a strike.

  65. MaineYankee June 21st, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    GB7

    I guess I’m glad I didn’t choose this Trenton game to go see.

    The great man with the sunglasses is warming up. :lol:

  66. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    The Elf looked safe

  67. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    So it started off as the Jordan Rules.
    Then came the Joba Rules.
    Are we now witnessing the Jeter Rules?

  68. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Tar June 21st, 2011 at 8:26 pm
    The Elf looked safe
    ////

    What’s the score, Tar? TY in advance.

  69. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    LGY June 21st, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Gardner was so bad in those first 18 games that Joe Girardi had little choice but to dump him from the leadoff spot

    ——–

    Jeter vs RHP: .246 .294 .297

    How bad does Jeter need to be to similarly force Girardi’s hand?

    ****************

    I mean really. Do I need to say it?

  70. SoS June 21st, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    4-2 end of third.

  71. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    4-2 Pads top of fourth.

  72. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    Thunder now getting pounded, 7-2. Nothing good out of this start for Betances. 6ER. Season high.

  73. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    Betances has had trouble recently going deep into games, but he’s still been virtually unhittable. This is just a miserable start for the kid, maybe his worst ever at AA level. Out after 2.3 innings tonight.

  74. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    J Alfred

    Maybe Dellin is bored. I think he needs a change of scenery. :D

  75. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    Whelan has been put on Scranton’s 7 day DL. No reason given yet.

  76. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    I mean really. Do I need to say it?

    —————–

    It’s usually entertaining when you say something, so sure go for it.

  77. tyanksfan36 June 21st, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    GB

    Kevin Mahoney hits one too. Now I’m kind of sad I didn’t go to the game tonight.

  78. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    LGY June 21st, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    I mean really. Do I need to say it?

    —————–

    It’s usually entertaining when you say something, so sure go for it.

    **************

    Well, how about I just repeat the names and we’ll see if you can figure it out.

    Derek Jeter – Brett Gardner

  79. pat June 21st, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    “Jeter could be hitting .100 and Girardi still wouldn’t move him down in the lineup.”

    Respect shouldn’t be a one way street. :sad:

  80. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Tar June 21st, 2011 at 8:37 pm
    J Alfred

    Maybe Dellin is bored. I think he needs a change of scenery.
    ///

    Tar, he can look a wreck and then he just flips a switch and no one can touch him. Tonight, he actually got hit hard. No one hits this guy, even when he struggles with his command. Sounds like he just had no control at all tonight. If he wants a change of scenery, he’ll need to fix that. Of course, once he gets promoted, I lose him down here :( . The price of progress…

  81. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Well, how about I just repeat the names and we’ll see if you can figure it out.

    Derek Jeter – Brett Gardner

    ——————–

    It was a question, so I’m not sure what this has to do with anything.

  82. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    TY, Mahoney is a rather curious player. Can’t make up my mind about him. He seems to have power and a decent hitter, but, not sure about his position. Is he playing 1st base tonight? If he could catch, I’d say that he’s a Jim Leyritz type other than hitting left handed. He plays everywhere.

  83. BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    I wish they would move the AAA team to Newark like in the old, old days.

  84. BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    Or even better, West Haven…

  85. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    I’m pro-Newark.

  86. NYY fan in NH June 21st, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    Dellin had 4 BB, 3 wild pitches and a hit batter. Almost as bad as Aceves..lol

  87. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    4-3 Pads Bottom of 4, 2nd and 3rd, 1 out- Ellsbury up.

    J Alfred

    I was just kidding but, As dominating as he’s been, maybe he was working on something, or really is just bored at that level. Sorry to say I hope you lose him soon. :sad:

    Els K -2 outs

  88. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    That idiotic beard that Pedroia has looks like he bought it at a novelty store as a gag. It works because it makes me gag.

  89. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 8:51 pm
    I wish they would move the AAA team to Newark like in the old, old days.
    ///

    Whereabouts you located, Bojo?

  90. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Gonzo K (looking) with the bases loaded. :D

    Top of 5th

  91. sunny615 June 21st, 2011 at 9:01 pm

    now that Gardner’s hitting again, it’s unlikely he’ll return to that leadoff role when Derek Jeter is healthy.

    “I don’t think so,” Girardi said. “Derek’s been our leadoff guy.”

    =-=-=-=-

    God – i wish Girardi would grow a backbone and move Jeter down the lineup.

  92. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Tar June 21st, 2011 at 8:54 pm
    4-3 Pads Bottom of 4, 2nd and 3rd, 1 out- Ellsbury up.

    J Alfred

    I was just kidding but, As dominating as he’s been, maybe he was working on something, or really is just bored at that level. Sorry to say I hope you lose him soon.

    Els K -2 outs
    //

    Tonight he seemed to be working on getting clobbered :D . He could be bored to some extent. It’s tough to struggle some with command and yet no one gets anything off you but little bleeders, if anything. Maybe getting hit hard will be a tonic. Both kids get away with iffy command because no one can really get good wood on their pitches. This is a new experience for Dellin, at least at AA and post-TJ.

    I’ll just have to take one for the team & let him graduate, when the time comes ;) .

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 9:04 pm

    Latos says no to Gonzo? That’s goooood.

    Time for an evening stroll. Good one, all.

  94. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    “I’ll just have to take one for the team & let him graduate, when the time comes”

    That’s the spirit, hopefully sooner rather than later.

  95. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    That’s brillaint. Drop the captain in the order. The face of the franchise, arguably the most respected baseball player of our times who is revered by his teammates, is six hits away from 3,000, hitting .260 and who brings substantive intangibles to the Yankees that no one else is capable of. Make him look bad, humiliate him, feed the media line that he is no longer good enough.

    Now that’s the smart way to run a team.

  96. Tom in N.J. June 21st, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    GB, how does lil Dusty’s beard compare to the Lando Calrissian Disguise Kit?

    (it appears to be just a moustach)

    http://shop.starwars.com/catal.....id=1322746

  97. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    sp – brilliant

  98. BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 8:57 pm
    BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 8:51 pm
    I wish they would move the AAA team to Newark like in the old, old days.
    ///

    Whereabouts you located, Bojo?
    ____
    New Haven–about a mile west of Yale (walking distance)…

  99. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Hey before I head out, what happened to big Josh? Back acting up :D ?

  100. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    “I don’t think so,” Girardi said. “Derek’s been our leadoff guy.”

    Don’t know much about history…

    For Jeter’s career in games:

    Batting 1st: 785

    Batting 2nd: 1279

    http://www.baseball-reference......;t=b#lineu

  101. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Bojo, running out, but congrats on having digs in the Pizza Capital. Isn’t there a minor league team based in New Haven?

  102. BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 8:52 pm
    I’m pro-Newark.
    ___
    Call them The Newark Knights…like in The Natural.

  103. Tom in N.J. June 21st, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Derek has seen Mattingly, O’Neill and Bernie drop down in the order because they were no longer top of the lineup hitters. If asked to, he’ll move down too.

  104. BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 9:09 pm
    Bojo, running out, but congrats on having digs in the Pizza Capital. Isn’t there a minor league team based in New Haven?
    ______
    Did you know that NH is the birthplace of the hamburger?

    No baseball team here any more…Used to be one in West Haven that Pat M played on…(7 decades ago I believe)

  105. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Brackman pitched an inning in relief. Mixed though. Great curve and slider. Decent fastball but couldn’t comtrol it. Long fly out to left, homer to left center, strikeout and soft ground out to the mound.

  106. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    “I don’t think so,” Girardi said. “Derek’s been our leadoff guy.” Don’t know much about history…

    For Jeter’s career in games:
    Batting 1st: 785
    Batting 2nd: 1279

    *************

    Do you think Girardi was talking about Jeter’s career? Is that what he said? Or do you think he was talking about the majority of time this season?

  107. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    That’s brillaint. Drop the captain in the order. The face of the franchise, arguably the most respected baseball player of our times who is revered by his teammates, is six hits away from 3,000, hitting .260 and who brings substantive intangibles to the Yankees that no one else is capable of. Make him look bad, humiliate him, feed the media line that he is no longer good enough. Now that’s the smart way to run a team.

    ——-

    :lol:

    This is good stuff.

  108. PacoDooley June 21st, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    People deep in this lineup talk have to keep one thing in mind – it is generally believed that the order of the lineup has a very minor influence on the outcome of a game in the AL. It’s just a fact that the leadoff guy doesn’t get that many more ABs and the overall win probability isn’t really all that sensitive to the batting order. It probably matters more in a game situation how you order your lefties and righties than where they actually are in the 1-9 (and that only comes into play when you consider relief pitchers).

  109. sunny615 June 21st, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Right – because the team will throw up their arms in revolt and refuse to play if they drop Jeter a couple of spots in the lineup because he’s about a 100 points lower in BA than Gardner. Good stuff. You should stop complaining then when their losing.

  110. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Tar June 21st, 2011 at 9:05 pm
    “I’ll just have to take one for the team & let him graduate, when the time comes”

    That’s the spirit, hopefully sooner rather than later.
    ///

    Tar, I really think 2012 isn’t too optimistic (for Da Bronx). I don’t expect these issues to haunt him, so I will go with 2012. Maybe not out of camp, but based on what I’ve seen, I believe he’ll make it up here sometime next season, especially if he gets bumped up to AAA during this one.

  111. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    If the decision is made to move Jeter down in the order, the appropriate way to do it is at the beginning of the season, like the move they made with Posada. Where it is positioned in a way that will allow a future hall of famer to adapt with his pride intact. You do not treat Derek Jeter like he is any other player.

  112. BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    LGY June 21st, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Do you think that was sarcasm on his part? He sometimes has trouble with that…

  113. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    “Do you think Girardi was talking about Jeter’s career? Is that what he said? Or do you think he was talking about the majority of time this season?”

    Who cares? His explanation is still lame.

  114. ron June 21st, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    There is a lot of great pizza in the new haven area.

    West haven has zupparty’s,not sure if i spelled it right.

    Wallingford has little italy,new haven has peppies,sally’s.

  115. sunny615 June 21st, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    The issue is – the lineup is locked from 2-5. A couple of years ago – Damon and Jeter just swapped places. If they could do that here – I’d say do it. Unfortunately, sit Arod to help his ailing shoulder, move grandy to 3, Tex to 4 until Jeter gets 3000 and go from there.

  116. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Did you know that NH is the birthplace of the hamburger?

    ///

    Dude, I did not. Frank Pepe I know. Too bad about the MiL team.

  117. CalYank June 21st, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan

    7th in the order would be good for jeter when he returns. Not knocking the Capt. but Gardner is hot and productive in the leadoff spot now.

  118. sunny615 June 21st, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Even my scenario is loopy at best. Well nevermind then. Keep him at the top and hope he finds some kind of mojo on his return.

  119. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    BoJo June 21st, 2011 at 9:14 pm
    LGY June 21st, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Do you think that was sarcasm on his part? He sometimes has trouble with that.

    **************

    So much for your incessant lies that you never start trouble.

  120. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    J. ALfred– thanks

    LGY

    Keep Taking the high road. Avoid the bait. :wink:

  121. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    ron June 21st, 2011 at 9:15 pm
    There is a lot of great pizza in the new haven area.

    West haven has zupparty’s,not sure if i spelled it right.

    ///

    Frank Pepe’s The Spot has probably the greatest clam pie on earth. The wait’s ridiculous, & the service indifferent, but man is it worth it. No canned clams for Frank Pepe, fresh out of the ocean, no cheese, just gresh garlic oregano, olive oil & salt.

    A little inland, but Hartford has Harry’s. Pretty decent pie, too.

  122. Vineyard Yankee June 21st, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Yawn…………no game tonite. Looks like a stay at the home office day tomorrow with a DH on tap.

  123. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    CalYank June 21st, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan

    7th in the order would be good for jeter when he returns. Not knocking the Capt. but Gardner is hot and productive in the leadoff spot now.

    ***************

    Jeter is six hits away from 3,000 a milestone that no other Yankee has ever achieved. Jeter has said in the past he didn’t want to hit lower than second. Do you really think that would be an intelligent and effective management decision to force Derek Jeter to do so, to demote him? Is that the way you treat someone of his stature?

  124. ron June 21st, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    I have no problem with jeter leading off against lefties where his numbers are ok,last i checked.

    He needs less ab against righties,where his numbers are terrible & probably won’t get better at his age.

  125. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    I suppose defending Derek Jeter is now trolling is it? Right.

  126. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    “Do you really think that would be an intelligent and effective management decision to force Derek Jeter to do so, ”

    Why should they have to?

  127. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    The game that nobody wants. SI after 9 innings, 0-0. Richard Martinez in 4 innings, 2 hits, 0 walks, 8 strikeouts. SI has 1 hit

  128. ron June 21st, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock:

    Used to eat there & sally’s at least once a week,years back.

    It is right down the road for me.

    I have a little italy near me now,brick oven that makes a great shrimp pizza.

    The butter rolls down to my elbows.

  129. CalYank June 21st, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan

    Just sayin Jeter is a team guy not a me guy in my opinion. I like Jeter as much as the next guy but sooner or later he needs to slide down in the order for the good of the team and earning W’s. No disrespect intended.

  130. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    “Do you really think that would be an intelligent and effective management decision to force Derek Jeter to do so, ”

    Why should they have to?

    ***************

    They don’t have to. First of all, consider the reasons I gave. It would be absolutely atrocious management. Secondly, do you really think dropping Jeter in the lineup is going to result in winning more games? Really?

  131. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    OK ron I am pretty jealous about now. We do have decent pizza in Princeton, though, but Pepe’s is a whole ‘nother level of good.

    I house sat for someone years ago right near that stretch & ordered a lot of pizza. If you ordered it, you got it before the folks standing on line did!

  132. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Derek Jeter is all about winning and being a team player. Your posts touch on nothing but personal stats and ego.

    And yes I think you are more trolling than defending Jeter.

    I didn’t think it was possible but Hell you make me want to side with LGY.

  133. CalYank June 21st, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Hey WC how’s it going ? Hot down your way today ? A scorcher up here, mid 90′s.

  134. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    WC

    My point is that Jeter should take them off the hook by making it his idea to move down v. RHP. If he wants to wait to get 3000 hits, fine, but it needs to be done, and not to batting 2nd v. RHP.

    It very well could cost them a win or two, which is often a lot.

  135. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    CalYank June 21st, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan

    Just sayin Jeter is a team guy not a me guy in my opinion. I like Jeter as much as the next guy but sooner or later he needs to slide down in the order for the good of the team and earning W’s. No disrespect intended.

    ************

    No disrespect taken. I think you make that evaluation at the end of the season based on his full body of work and based upon a determination as to whether or not his position in the order hurt the team. Not in the middle of his run for 3,000, or right after, where such a move would be very harmful in many respects.

  136. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Tar

    :D

  137. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    The Three stooges have the King (Bill) James Bible shoved so far up their behinds that they have paper cuts on their colons.

  138. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    I think you make that evaluation at the end of the season based on his full body of work and based upon a determination as to whether or not his position in the order hurt the team

    You don’t give the worst hitter on your team the most PA. It deprives you of potential rallies, not to mention the weird status-related batting order spots has given Jeter the 3rd most RISP chances on the team behind Granderson & Swisher.

  139. ron June 21st, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock:

    What i found with pepe’s is that you just don’t know how great it is til you try it.

    Very hard to explain.

  140. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    CalYank June 21st, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Hey WC how’s it going ? Hot down your way today ? A scorcher up here, mid 90?s.

    **********

    Cool day, June gloom, fog.

  141. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    The incredibly boring Jeter bashing aside, I just can’t work up such a militant deal of spleen over securing Brett Gardner in the leadoff spot. If his numbers remain aloft I’m sure they’ll come around and stick him there.

    This is boring.

    Good night.

  142. Abe Peteraham June 21st, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Boy does that Nunez pic look clear, nice shot .

  143. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Ellsbury SB success rate down to 70%.

    Curse of the LH AL East OF (Gardy, Grandy, Ells, Craw)

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    ron June 21st, 2011 at 9:33 pm
    J. Alfred Prufrock:

    What i found with pepe’s is that you just don’t know how great it is til you try it.

    Very hard to explain
    ///

    Agree. It’s somehow beyond the power of words.

    Have a good one.

  145. DocTodd June 21st, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Wins come first….any great Captain knows this…

  146. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    LGY

    Of course Jerk has to come along and ruin our feal good touchy moment. :mad:

    back to our corners.

  147. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    Jerkface I made my opinion clear how I feel about Jeter and the reasons I do and I certainly won’t be swayed by statistics.

    Some management decisions are best made taking into account different criteria, not just performance.

  148. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    DocTodd June 21st, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Wins come first….any great Captain knows this…

    *************

    I do not accept the premise that Jeter batting lead off is costing us wins.

  149. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Some horrific pitching in the Sox game.

    Ace put on 10 baserunners in 5. Latos put on 14 in 5.2

  150. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Mattingly was a better Yankee than Girardi and at least as good a Yankee as Jeter. Therefore he should have gotten the managerial job.

  151. sunny615 June 21st, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    The irony of this is – one would think Girardi – who lives and dies by his stupid binder, would just take a look at the stats and adjust accordingly. Wonder if it really is Girardi who’s making this call or someone above him…? Pure speculation on my part.

  152. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    “Wonder if it really is Girardi who’s making this call or someone above him…”

    It’s hard to believe that Girardi decided to bat Posada 9th one time and never again, on his own.

  153. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Not in the middle of his run for 3,000, or right after, where such a move would be very harmful in many respects.

    This assumes a kind of fragility, ego, self-centeredness, and sensitivity about Jeter that doesn’t jive with a teamfirst Captain of the best franchise in the world. No one is above The Franchise.

  154. sunny615 June 21st, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    Rich – good observation…

  155. Carlo June 21st, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    If “no one was above the franchise” then these jeter discussions wouldn’t be taking place.

  156. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    Not in the middle of his run for 3,000, or right after, where such a move would be very harmful in many respects.

    This assumes a kind of fragility, ego, self-centeredness, and sensitivity about Jeter that doesn’t jive with a teamfirst Captain of the best franchise in the world. No one is above The Franchise.

    *************

    It assumes no such thing, that is pure rhetoric.

  157. DocTodd June 21st, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Gardner’s OBP is almost 50 pts higher than Jeter’s…Factor in his speed, and Gardner should be leading off…..off course this is America, so whoever disagrees is free to do so….

  158. Ghostwriter June 21st, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    “Wonder if it really is Girardi who’s making this call or someone above him…”

    It’s hard to believe that Girardi decided to bat Posada 9th one time and never again, on his own.
    —————————————-
    I’m sure that there was a discussion and a meeting of the minds between Girardi and Posada on the batting order to get both of them off the hook.

  159. CalYank June 21st, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    West Coast Yankee Fan

    Just too hot in the Valley, send that fog up over the hill.

  160. RS June 21st, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    I think the Yankees kind of spoil their players and then get backed into a wall when players expect continued special treatment.

    Look at the Red Sox…they have their team captain sitting on the bench and batting ninth on the days he does play. Not saying Varitek is anything close to Jeter, but is the situation between him and Posada that much different?

    Of course, the Sox have a reputation for driving great players out of Boston, so the ones who do stay probably feel fortunate just for that.


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