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Tomorrow’s first game on YES, second game on MY9

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The YES Network sent an email with an updated television schedule for tomorrow.

The first game starts at 12:35 and will be televised on YES, with the pre-game show beginning at noon and the postgame show immediately following the game. The 7:10 game will be televised on My9, with a YES pregame show at 6:30 p.m. and the YES Extra Innings show immediately following the game.

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311 Responses to “Tomorrow’s first game on YES, second game on MY9”

  1. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    “I’m sure that there was a discussion and a meeting of the minds between Girardi and Posada on the batting order to get both of them off the hook.”

    Why should there be a hook? Girardi has every right to bat Posada 9th and to expect Posada to accept it.

  2. sunny615 June 21st, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    true

  3. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    Some little feel for what goes into management decision making.

  4. Carlo June 21st, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    I’ve never heard of a manager being put “on the hook” for filling out a lineup card that is completely defendable based on performance.

  5. Carlo June 21st, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    This san diego team is horrific. Really putrid to watch.

  6. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    Dealing with Derek Jeter is I suspect not Girardi’s decision alone. I believe Cashman and even Hank and Hal are involved. That is just speculative on my part but with an asset like Jeter I would expect that to be the case.

  7. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Taking into account their respective road numbers and the greater number of road games to home games we have left (9 more), Jeter should bat lead off on the road, whereas Gardy should bat lead off at home solely vs. righty pitching. Here are the numbers:

    Jeter road .291/.354/.402
    Gardner road .268/.333/.412

    Jeter also has better walk and K %’s. Gardner’s road K’s are almost 22%. Sticking strictly to the numbers, why on earth would we want Gardner to lead off on the road based on the above?

  8. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    2010 (ie, a larger sample size):

    Jeter road: .246 .317 .317 .633

    Gardner road: .279 .382 .358 .740

  9. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Jeter also has better walk and K %’s. Gardner’s road K’s are almost 22%. Sticking strictly to the numbers, why on earth would we want Gardner to lead off on the road based on the above?

    Gardner is hitting close to .400 on the road since May 1st

  10. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    “Gardner’s OBP is almost 50 pts higher than Jeter’s…Factor in his speed, and Gardner should be leading off…..off course this is America, so whoever disagrees is free to do so….”

    The facts are Gardner has not beat out Jeter for the lead- off position.

    Batting lead -off 2011

    .270 .336 .345 DJ

    .255 .317 .382 BG

    Gardner has 11 more k’s in about 60 less AB’s

    Talking about speed— Gardner has 14 SB with 10 CS. Jeter 7 SB and 2 CS.

    Leading off the game Jeter has been unreal. .391 .472 .478. Gardner awful .167 .231 .417

    Like boxing if you are going to beat the champion- you have to do it decisively. Brett to this point has not.

    It’s easy to see why Joe has stuck with the experienced veteran.

    Having said all that if BG continues to hit like he has lately , and Jeter continues to hit like he has this year ( after 3000 ) I see no problem moving Jeter down and BG up.

  11. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Most of Gardner’s leadoff AB were when he wasn’t hitting to begin the season.

  12. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    Batting lead -off 2011

    .270 .336 .345 DJ

    .255 .317 .382 BG

    Of course Jeter is beating him out, Gardner was leading off when he was failing batting 9th or 1st. Batting position didn’t matter. He is hitting over .400 batting leadoff since May 1st.

  13. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    “Like boxing if you are going to beat the champion- you have to do it decisively. Brett to this point has not.”

    This isn’t a zero sum game.

  14. Ghostwriter June 21st, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    “I’m sure that there was a discussion and a meeting of the minds between Girardi and Posada on the batting order to get both of them off the hook.”

    Why should there be a hook? Girardi has every right to bat Posada 9th and to expect Posada to accept it.
    ==================================

    Yes, he has every right to fill out the lineup card any which way he pleases. He also could have DFA’ed him or benched him indefinitely him for insubordination. Or he could have come to a rapprochement with him. Was there an upside to getting into a pissing match with Posada, or making him bat ninth the next day to make a point? The prudent course of action was to do what Girardi did. Fortunately, it appears to have worked out for the best.

  15. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    “Most of Gardner’s leadoff AB were when he wasn’t hitting to begin the season.”

    Oh yeah you reminded me–

    Most of his lead-off AB’s were against RH pitchers.

  16. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    No, you were discussing this year’s numbers. Someone mentioned intangibles, so I figured why not join in in spite of the redundancy of the subject. Thought I would add something fresh. Then by all means, let’s do three year sample sizes. Jeter 2009: 337/.399/.437 and you can’t give me Gardner stats from May 1st on and then cry, small sample size based on my one year example. Anyway, just wanted to make a point. I couldn’t give a flying fig who bats lead off, but stick to the facts, please.

  17. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Most of his lead-off AB’s were against RH pitchers

    Almost all of his leadoff ABs will be against RH pitchers because he was still platooned at leadoff

  18. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    “He is hitting over .400 batting leadoff since May 1st.”

    What did he go like 2 for 5?

  19. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    GW

    No, he couldn’t have DFA’d Posada, that’s Cash’s job, or maybe even ownership’s prerogative.

    Reapproachment? These two aren’t in equipoise. It’s the manager’s job to construct lineups, and it’s the player’s job to play.

    Posada had been awful. He himself had thanked Girardi only a week or so earlier for still playing him despite his suckitude. So it was perfectly reasonable for him to bat 9th, and his response should have been thank you.

    You think Posada started hitting because Girardi caved? That’s highly speculative.

  20. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    It is mind boggling that some want to demote and in doing so to humiliate one of the greatest Yankees ever who is hitting .260 – for a streak hitter who was batting in the .240′s three weeks ago.

  21. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    What did he go like 2 for 5?

    :) 9 for 18

    Since he has been hitting well, he has succeeded at leadoff. Which means more to me than numbers from when he sucked. He has clearly made an adjustment. Its like saying Granderson stinks because he sucked before he changed his swing.

  22. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    “Then by all means, let’s do three year sample sizes. Jeter 2009: ”

    What evidence is there that Jeter is still capable of what he did in 2009 v. RHP given that a year and a half have passed and he has shown no sustained indication of that?

  23. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    It is mind boggling that some want to demote and in doing so to humiliate one of the greatest Yankees ever who is hitting .260 – for a streak hitter who was batting in the .240?s three weeks ago.

    He has hit .307 .386 .471 .857 since April 7. Helluva streak!

  24. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    And how it it a humiliation to remove Jeter from the leadoff spot v. RHP when he didn’t begin the season as the leadoff hitter v. RHP?

  25. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    “Having said all that if BG continues to hit like he has lately , and Jeter continues to hit like he has this year ( after 3000 ) I see no problem moving Jeter down and BG up.”

    Tar, totally agree if Jeter isn’t performing, he should be moved down. As should Brett if he continues to be streaky.

  26. luis June 21st, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    YF,

    Jeter is obviously in the decline face of his career, i wouldn’t put much stock on Jeter’s 2009 numbers, i don’t think he can do it anymore

  27. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    As I said earlier today, if Jeter somehow regains his stroke v. RHP, move him back up.

  28. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Tar, totally agree if Jeter isn’t performing, he should be moved down. As should Brett if he continues to be streaky.

    I don’t think you have to be worried about Brett. Its already pretty clear the Yankees will punish him at the drop of a hat.

  29. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    “What evidence is there that Jeter is still capable of what he did in 2009 v. RHP given that a year and a half have passed and he has shown no sustained indication of that?”

    Talk about sustained- Need I remind you of BG 2nd half slump last year.

    And save the injury argument, Jeter has played injured his whole career.

  30. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:27 pm
    And how it it a humiliation to remove Jeter from the leadoff spot v. RHP when he didn’t begin the season as the leadoff hitter v. RHP?
    _____
    It isn’t, but revisionist narratives would love to spin it otherwise and have us believe Jeter is selfish and a me-first player. Blah blah blah. Again, have to question some of the agendas on this board when people choose to forget that Jeter started the season not leading off vs. RHP.

  31. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    yf

    I never said he was selfish. So at least with me, that’s a straw man argument.

  32. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    “Talk about sustained- Need I remind you of BG 2nd half slump last year.”

    Tar

    He had a thumb injury.

  33. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:29 pm
    Tar, totally agree if Jeter isn’t performing, he should be moved down. As should Brett if he continues to be streaky.

    I don’t think you have to be worried about Brett. Its already pretty clear the Yankees will punish him at the drop of a hat.
    ______
    “Punish” him? Your word choice betrays your subjectivity.

  34. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    “Punish” him? Your word choice betrays your subjectivity.

    Why do I have to objective? If Jeter hits well he should be in a spot where that is taken advantage of. If he doesn’t he shouldn’t, but its not objective with Jeter. Anyone who wants to move him down is ‘humiliating’ Jeter or trashing him. You are clearly betraying your own subjectivity when you say something like ‘If Jeter struggles he should be moved down, but the yankees better do the same thing to brett!’ As if they don’t already. There isn’t a double-standard in Brett’s favor, its all in Jeter’s favor.

  35. Ghostwriter June 21st, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    I really don’t understand why you three seem to have such a beef with Jeter at the top of the lineup, but the daily harping on it does get a bit tedious.. Yes, Jeter’s presence at the top of the lineup could be costing them runs, at the margin. It certainly seems that way when you compare their OPS’s However, there is a little more to setting the batting order than OPS. For starters, Gardner gets himself picked off far too often, negating much of his effectiveness at getting on base; Jeter doesn’t. (This alone probably evens out much of the difference between the two in terms of OBP.) Second, with Granderson, Tex, and A-Rod following in the lineup, it isn’t at all clear to me that you want Gardner on base, distracting them from the task of driving the ball, or being forced to swing to protect the runner. There is a good bit of art in setting the lineup, and it isn’t nearly as scientific as you all seem to suggest.

  36. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    How do you determine when Brett the ‘streaky’ hitter is moved from whatever spot he is in? How is the same determined with Jeter? I’d use all of 2010 as my evidence against Jeter batting 1st vs RHP. Girardi put the limit at around 200 PA or something and we’re past that and Jeter is showing to be a worse batter than 2010. So like wait till 2012 to make a change?

  37. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    “How do you determine when Brett the ‘streaky’ hitter is moved from whatever spot he is in?”

    Well let you know, stick around kid. :wink:

  38. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:31 pm
    yf

    I never said he was selfish. So at least with me, that’s a straw man argument.
    __________
    I am merely pointing out as per what you stated that yes, indeed, Jeter not leading off already has occurred this season, and in the past with Damon leading off. However, the general outcry from some (didn’t say you were among them) is that Jeter would never accept being dropped because of his ego. However, he has already been dropped in the past without fanfare or resistance.

  39. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    but the daily harping on it does get a bit tedious.

    I’ve not daily harped on it for a month or more now. Lots of other people keep bringing it up and lately its a media topic because Brett Gardner has been undeniably one of the hottest hitters on the team for 2 months

  40. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    However, the general outcry from some (didn’t say you were among them) is that Jeter would never accept being dropped because of his ego.

    When has Jeter been dropped to a non-prominent batting position? Who is saying Jeter would not accept going to 2nd? I don’t think that is what anyone is saying.

  41. I Am Winning June 21st, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    It’s amazing how far out this blog went from initial plans, for the better of course.

    Here is a quote from Peter’s first post:” Don’t come here looking to find out who’s pitching tomorrow or what George Steinbrenner had to say about a losing streak.”

    Really? We now have full series pitching match ups.

    Here is another: “the aim will be to update this space once or twice a day with news and views about the Yankees”
    Once or twice an hour, 24 hours, 7 days a week you mean, Pete?

  42. Tom in N.J. June 21st, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    .246 .294 .297 .592-’11

    .246 .316 .317 .633-’10

    I’m a Jeter fan, but those numbers against RHP are not pretty.

  43. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    “I really don’t understand why you three seem to have such a beef with Jeter at the top of the lineup, but the daily harping on it does get a bit tedious..”

    No more tedious than those on the other side of the debate.Do you know what’s really tedious? One side of the debate thinking they have the right to call the other side tedious.

    ” Gardner gets himself picked off far too often, negating much of his effectiveness at getting on base; Jeter doesn’t.”

    This is based on a small sample size. He didn’t have base running problems before this season.

    “with Granderson, Tex, and A-Rod following in the lineup, it isn’t at all clear to me that you want Gardner on base, distracting them from the task of driving the ball, ”

    So you woudn’t want Rickey Henderson leading off either because he might distract the hitters?

    Jeter has stolen as many as 34 bases. By your logic, he was a distraction and should have been moved down.

    A-Rod stole 24 bases as recently as 2007. Was he a distraction?

    Granderson steals bases too; he has 10 so far. Should he be moved down?

  44. Ghostwriter June 21st, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    GW

    No, he couldn’t have DFA’d Posada, that’s Cash’s job, or maybe even ownership’s prerogative. –You’re splitting hairs.

    Reapproachment? These two aren’t in equipoise.— It’s the manager’s job to construct lineups, and it’s the player’s job to play.–No, it’s the managers job to manage, which is what he did.

    Posada had been awful. He himself had thanked Girardi only a week or so earlier for still playing him despite his suckitude. So it was perfectly reasonable for him to bat 9th, and his response should have been thank you.—I agree. But he freaked out, and Girardi had to things as they were and not with an ideal situation.

    You think Posada started hitting because Girardi caved? That’s highly speculative.—No, I didn’t say that. I think that Girardi was wise to give Posada some deference. It would have been stupid (and a sign of weakness) for Girardi to have wasted his time, proving that he was boss. Posada’s hitting was a happy side effect, but likely not related. (However, not further poisoning the environment probably facilitated the focus on baseball.

  45. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    “There isn’t a double-standard in Brett’s favor, its all in Jeter’s favor.”

    Let’s see who gets the benefit of the doubt

    The veteran, 3000 hit, first ballot HOF player who has the respect of etc. etc. etc or…

    Brett Gardner?

    Gardner has to take the spot in a decisive way.

    The good news is he’s on the way.

    I am winning

    is that you Pete?

  46. ron June 21st, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Everybody on the planet except a few people think gardner should be leading off & most certainly leading off against rh pitchers wich is 3/4 of the time.

    If you wan’t to have an opinion,fine but you are in the minority.

    I guarantee girardi want’s gardner leading off but doesn’t wan’t to upset jeter.

    There will come a time soon when jeter will have to be moved down.

    A .592 ops against righties is ugly.

    Girardi will not move jeter down before jeters 300 hits & probably not this year but you better believe next year jeter will not have the same rope.

  47. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Tar,

    Uh ya, duh, the HoFer gets the benefit of the doubt! Thats why I said that!

  48. Ghostwriter June 21st, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    but the daily harping on it does get a bit tedious.

    I’ve not daily harped on it for a month or more now. Lots of other people keep bringing it up and lately its a media topic because Brett Gardner has been undeniably one of the hottest hitters on the team for 2 months
    ————————–

    Fair enough. It was LGY who started it this time. But the argument does get boring.

  49. jacksquat June 21st, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Girardi will keep Jeter at leadoff until it becomes so horrific he is ordered to move him down by someone else.

    We saw what happened with Posada.

  50. Abomb82 June 21st, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    Jeter has earned the right to hit leadoff for as long as he wants to, or play SS for that matter.

    You will not see them attempt the same stunts with Jeter that they did Jorge.

  51. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 10:55 pm

    He has hit .307 .386 .471 .857 since April 7. Helluva streak!
    ///

    Yea, too bad none of that ever seems to come against Boston. His speed is non-existent against the team we’re likely to face in the ALCS.

  52. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    GW

    I’m not splitting hairs. DFAing him made no sense given the money he was owned and because there was reason to believe that he might still hit, but where he hit should have been solely up to Girardi, and to me, the surrounding facts indicate that it wasn’t up to Girardi.

    “No, it’s the managers job to manage, which is what he did.”

    But you previously said:

    “I’m sure that there was a discussion and a meeting of the minds between Girardi and Posada on the batting order to get both of them off the hook.”

    So if Girardi was taken off a hook, as you said, he, in effect, wasn’t permitted to do his job.

    “I agree. But he freaked out, and Girardi had to things as they were and not with an ideal situation.”

    I don’t understand this.

    “I think that Girardi was wise to give Posada some deference.”

    The deference was continuing to play him.

    ” It would have been stupid (and a sign of weakness) for Girardi to have wasted his time, proving that he was boss”

    His job description should be sufficient proof that he is the boss.

  53. Against All Odds June 21st, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    # jacksquat June 21st, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    Girardi will keep Jeter at leadoff until it becomes so horrific he is ordered to move him down by someone else.

    We saw what happened with Posada.

    ——————————–

    true Joe will give Jeter the benefit of the doubt until he has no choice

  54. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:34 pm
    “Punish” him? Your word choice betrays your subjectivity.

    Why do I have to objective? If Jeter hits well he should be in a spot where that is taken advantage of. If he doesn’t he shouldn’t, but its not objective with Jeter. Anyone who wants to move him down is ‘humiliating’ Jeter or trashing him. You are clearly betraying your own subjectivity when you say something like ‘If Jeter struggles he should be moved down, but the yankees better do the same thing to brett!’ As if they don’t already. There isn’t a double-standard in Brett’s favor, its all in Jeter’s favor.
    ___
    You don’t and you aren’t objective, that’s clear. As for Gardner batting against righties, the world isn’t against him or you. However, the last time he was given the opportunity he didn’t succeed. If Jeter doesn’t succeed vs. righties he will be dropped. Why not see how it plays out?

  55. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    Yea, too bad none of that ever seems to come against Boston. His speed is non-existent against the team we’re likely to face in the ALCS.

    He on based .444 in the last series with a steal! Don’t worry though, Jeter has our back against the so-.200 .273 .225 .498

    :oops:

  56. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    “Uh ya, duh, the HoFer gets the benefit of the doubt! Thats why I said that!’

    Sorry- it sounded like your panties were in a bunch about it. :D

  57. Yanks78 June 21st, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    We’re into late June and Javy Vazquez has a 6.37 ERA and a 1.69 WHIP. He has only completed 6 innings in 5 of his 14 starts this year. How he is still in a rotation?

  58. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    So you woudn’t want Rickey Henderson leading off either because he might distract the hitters?
    ///

    OMG.

  59. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    If Jeter doesn’t succeed vs. righties he will be dropped.

    He hasn’t succeeded against RHP since 09. So… probably not.

  60. ron June 21st, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    If you think jeter bats leadoff for 3 1/2 years,you are nuts,not happening.

    What happens when jeter is ops’ing at .490 ?

    You will see next year,after jeter’s 3000 is long gone,it will slowly happen,if the numbers are not there.

  61. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    “OMG”

    SMH

  62. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    You don’t and you aren’t objective, that’s clear.

    Neither is anyone in favor of Jeter, so I don’t get the point. If I argued simply from the completely objective I’d still be correct that Jeter shouldn’t lead off. Its 100% SUBJECTIVE extraneous things that keep Jeter leading off.

  63. tyanksfan36 June 21st, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Yanks78 June 21st, 2011 at 10:58 pm
    We’re into late June and Javy Vazquez has a 6.37 ERA and a 1.69 WHIP. He has only completed 6 innings in 5 of his 14 starts this year. How he is still in a rotation?

    he is pitching for a last place team

  64. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 11:00 pm

    Boston loses :D

  65. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    “Boston loses ”

    NMH

  66. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    As for Posada, who says that the decision to drop Posada came from Girardi? After that caught looking AB vs. Boston with runners in scoring position, for all we know Hal or Cashman mandated the move. Girardi had been lauding Jorge’s AB’s before that game and was extremely conciliatory afterwards. How do we know dropping Jorge was Girardi’s decision?

  67. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    We’re into late June and Javy Vazquez has a 6.37 ERA and a 1.69 WHIP. He has only completed 6 innings in 5 of his 14 starts this year. How he is still in a rotation?

    Javy can’t handle miami. Or it looks like he just simply lost it. I am still for that trade.

  68. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Sux lose. :lol:

  69. tyanksfan36 June 21st, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Yankeefem

    glad to see that Lyerly made a good first impression on his Double A debut. Too bad he couldnt contribute to a win.

  70. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    “As for Posada, who says that the decision to drop Posada came from Girardi?”

    Let’s say it wasnt. The same logic and conclusions about usurpation of responsibility apply, only from a different direction.

  71. m June 21st, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    Looks like a pretty good debate on DJ with valid points on both sides.

    I don’t care so much for where Gardner bats, as long as he plays everyday.

    Remember when the big question was whether or not Gardner was an everyday player? Life was so much simpler then.

  72. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    JF, Honest answer. Would you bat Jeter at lead off until he gets his 3,000th hit?

  73. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    “Remember when the big question was whether or not Gardner was an everyday player? Life was so much simpler then.”

    It still seems to be a big question with the manager.

  74. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 10:57 pm
    Yea, too bad none of that ever seems to come against Boston. His speed is non-existent against the team we’re likely to face in the ALCS.

    He on based .444 in the last series with a steal! Don’t worry though, Jeter has our back against the so-.200 .273 .225 .498
    ///

    His career numbers stink against Boston: .225/.310/.315/.625. His only decent numbers are against Papelbon, soft tossing John Lackey & Aceves this year. He’s invisible against Beckett & Buccholz.

    His 2011 numbers against Boston are .136/.296/.273.

    What good is his speed if he can’t do anything against the team we need to beat? At least Melky was a Red Sox killer.

  75. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    Would you bat Jeter at lead off until he gets his 3,000th hit?

    Yes. But then I’d bat him 9th until forever.

  76. Ghostwriter June 21st, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    No more tedious than those on the other side of the debate.Do you know what’s really tedious? One side of the debate thinking they have the right to call the other side tedious.

    –Whatever. It doesn’t make beating this dead horse any less insipid.

    This is based on a small sample size. He didn’t have base running problems before this season.

    –The fact remains that Brett has been getting himself picked off a lot this year, and last year’s performance doesn’t have any bearing on what has been happening this year. Gardner’s troubles on the bases are as well established a pattern this year as his success with the bat.

    “with Granderson, Tex, and A-Rod following in the lineup, it isn’t at all clear to me that you want Gardner on base, distracting them from the task of driving the ball, ”

    So you woudn’t want Rickey Henderson leading off either because he might distract the hitters?

    –Gardner isn’t Rickey Henderson.

    Jeter has stolen as many as 34 bases. By your logic, he was a distraction and should have been moved down.

    –Gardner isn’t Jeter. And no, that wasn’t what

    A-Rod stole 24 bases as recently as 2007. Was he a distraction?

    –Gardner isn’t A-Rod.

    Granderson steals bases too; he has 10 so far. Should he be moved down?

    –Gardner isn’t Granderson.
    Gardner has’nt been stealing bases; Gardner has been getting caught stealing bases. There’s kind of a big difference between the two.

  77. m June 21st, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    Meh, managers “manage” players. It’s not simply a numbers thing.

    But he seriously needs to stop platooning Gardner.

  78. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 11:04 pm
    “As for Posada, who says that the decision to drop Posada came from Girardi?”

    Let’s say it wasnt. The same logic and conclusions about usurpation of responsibility apply, only from a different direction.
    ___
    Meaning what? What if Girardi still believed in Posada’s ability to hit and wanted him moved back up in the lineup and convinced the brass to permit him to do so?

  79. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 11:08 pm
    Would you bat Jeter at lead off until he gets his 3,000th hit?

    Yes. But then I’d bat him 9th until forever.
    ______
    Against lefties? And what is your reason for wanting Jeter to lead off until he reaches 3000?

  80. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    What good is his speed if he can’t do anything against the team we need to beat? At least Melky was a Red Sox killer.

    You’re really trying to slice down to find something to nitpick about Gardner, its impressive. Burnett was a Red Sox killer until he became a yankee, Jeter probably killed the Red Sox and then had a bad season against the Red Sox in the past. Chill. You don’t sign players because they are good against one team. Thats bad business.

    He is invisible against buchholz because he hasn’t faced him. He has bad numbers against wakefield and beckett that comprise most of his PA against the Red Sox.

  81. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 11:06 pm
    “Remember when the big question was whether or not Gardner was an everyday player? Life was so much simpler then.”

    It still seems to be a big question with the manager.

    ///

    He’s in there against RHP, and he should play against LHSP, because the alternative isn’t very attractive & because they appear to believe in him as their guy in left. They obviously DON’T however believe in him as a leadoff guy vs. LHSP, and his numbers there support that view. Which is why Swisher’s there with Jeter out. If they think he can overcome what are obvious struggles against better lefties they should stop sitting him in games started by a LH and bat him ninth. Girardi said he’d get in there against lefty starters and I guess depending on how he does, he could get more exposure to them – or not.

  82. m June 21st, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    Actually, despite Posada’s current hitting, he’s the one who looks bad when you look back at the incident.

  83. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Against lefties? And what is your reason for wanting Jeter to lead off until he reaches 3000?

    At this point he is only 6 hits away so why not. Let him get there faster and 3000 hits seems like a logical point that signals ‘end of Jeter’s career’. I’d also bat him leadoff the very first homegame after 3000 so the fans can cheer him. Then I’d pinch hit Nunez for his second PA.

  84. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    tyanksfan36 June 21st, 2011 at 11:02 pm
    Yankeefem

    glad to see that Lyerly made a good first impression on his Double A debut. Too bad he couldnt contribute to a win.
    _____
    Unfortunately, Betances had one of those nights. Hopefully, he bounces back on Sunday. Not sure whether I will attend Trenton game or OTD yet.

  85. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Jeter has said he does not want to bat lower than second.

  86. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    GW

    “–Whatever. It doesn’t make beating this dead horse any less insipid.”

    Again, the horse is being beaten from both ends and your post ignores that.

    I have made a point never to bring up the subject, but if it’s a live topic here, I don’t see why I shoudn’t contribute.

    As for the distraction issue, you originally said:

    “it isn’t at all clear to me that you want Gardner on base, distracting them from the task of driving the ball, or being forced to swing to protect the runner”

    If distraction is the issue, then it logically follows that the less a runner is on base trying to steal, the less the distraction will be.

    Henderson was on base more stole more bases.

    As for Jeter v. Gardner, Gardner is a better hitter right now v. RHP and most pitchers are RH.

    Again, you can focus on this season, but that obscures the fact that Gardner is a much better base stealer than he has shown in a SSS for this small part of the season.

  87. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 11:16 pm
    Against lefties? And what is your reason for wanting Jeter to lead off until he reaches 3000?

    At this point he is only 6 hits away so why not. Let him get there faster and 3000 hits seems like a logical point that signals ‘end of Jeter’s career’. I’d also bat him leadoff the very first homegame after 3000 so the fans can cheer him. Then I’d pinch hit Nunez for his second PA.
    ____

    lol. I see.

  88. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    JAP

    That’s not the point. The point is why was he was put in the 9th hole once but never again.

  89. GreenBeret7 June 21st, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    Jeter will go on a tear when he returns and at least 5 heads will explode. A great day will be had by all.

  90. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    You’re really trying to slice down to find something to nitpick about Gardner, its impressive.
    ////

    You’re really nuts. You think because you actively root against Jeter, I root against Gardner?
    He’s on my effing team, dude, I would like to see him use his legs against the Red Sox. Being effective against Boston as a speed weapon would really help the cause. Um, if you don’t understand that, that’s your problem.

  91. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    “Meaning what? What if Girardi still believed in Posada’s ability to hit and wanted him moved back up in the lineup and convinced the brass to permit him to do so?”

    yf

    So you agree that the manager is not making all the decisions about the lineup.

  92. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 11:22 pm

    You’re really nuts. You think because you actively root against Jeter, I root against Gardner?
    He’s on my effing team, dude, I would like to see him use his legs against the Red Sox. Being effective against Boston as a speed weapon would really help the cause. Um, if you don’t understand that, that’s your problem.

    Heh. But you don’t understand that I want Jeter to use his bat against righthanded pitchers??? You think I enjoy Jeter sucking? I’d much prefer he be good. Since he is here for 4 years.

  93. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Unfortunately, Betances had one of those nights. Hopefully, he bounces back on Sunday. Not sure whether I will attend Trenton game or OTD yet.
    ///

    Yankfem – I was going to attend OTD but given Betances’ nightmare start tonight I want to see for myself how he responds on Sunday, rather than rely on Ashmore, Norris, etc. to tell me what happened. I’m selling my tix & going to the Trenton game.

  94. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    The funniest part of all this is that if you want Jeter moved down, even if it’s only against RHP, that you are rooting against him.

    As I said, if he hits RHP, move up right back up.

    But thanks for the laugh.

  95. Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    Since 2010 Jeter has an OPS over .650 against exactly 1 red sox pitcher, Papelbon. So like yea if he would help the cause that’d be great, blah blah blah ALCS nitpick

  96. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:26 pm

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 11:20 pm
    “Meaning what? What if Girardi still believed in Posada’s ability to hit and wanted him moved back up in the lineup and convinced the brass to permit him to do so?”

    yf

    So you agree that the manager is not making all the decisions about the lineup.
    ______
    I couldn’t say. However, based on what was said by Girardi before and after the Posada incident, I have a very hard time believing that Girardi dropped Posada to the 9-hole. As for Jeter batting first, I have no way of knowing, but I would guess that manager, GM and owner would all agree that Jeter should lead off at least until his 3000th hit. Beyond that I would expect who bats lead-off will depend on production/splits.

  97. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    yf

    Then we may agree. What’s up with that? ;)

  98. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 11:24 pm
    The funniest part of all this is that if you want Jeter moved down, even if it’s only against RHP, that you are rooting against him.

    As I said, if he hits RHP, move up right back up.

    But thanks for the laugh.
    _______
    Who is this post directed to? As for rooting *against* someone, how about rooting *for* the team???

  99. RS June 21st, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Why do the Yankees have to be held prisoners by their players? If Jeter is one of the worst hitters on the team, he shouldn’t get to have the most plate appearances just because he wants to.

    I hate to say it, but the Red Sox are lucky they can shove their captain to the bench and bat him ninth when he does play without hearing a peep of disgruntlement, while we move Posada from 7th to 9th in the order and it creates a media firestorm.

  100. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 11:27 pm
    yf

    Then we may agree. What’s up with that?
    ___
    Actually, in general, methinks, we more often agree than disagree…

  101. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    RS June 21st, 2011 at 11:30 pm

    Why do the Yankees have to be held prisoners by their players? If Jeter is one of the worst hitters on the team, he shouldn’t get to have the most plate appearances just because he wants to.

    I hate to say it, but the Red Sox are lucky they can shove their captain to the bench and bat him ninth when he does play without hearing a peep of disgruntlement, while we move Posada from 7th to 9th in the order and it creates a media firestorm.

    *****************

    Are you really comparing Derek Jeter and Jason Varitek? And why should we emulate how the Red Sox treat their players?

  102. Rich in NJ June 21st, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    “Who is this post directed to? As for rooting *against* someone, how about rooting *for* the team???”

    Not you, yf. Rooting is fine, but we’re all fans here (apart from the trolls), so I don’t think people should have their loyalty questioned, implicitly or otherwise.

  103. Tar June 21st, 2011 at 11:40 pm

    I am now a Tarfeminista! :wink:

    :D

    Good night all!

  104. waka flocka June 21st, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    WCYF,

    He isn’t comparing Jeter to Varitek. What he is saying is that the Red Sox don’t let Varitek being ‘THE CAPTAIN!!’ get in the way of fielding the best possible team. How is that wrong and why does it matter that the team imploring this common sense idea happens to be Boston?

  105. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:43 pm

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 11:23 pm
    Unfortunately, Betances had one of those nights. Hopefully, he bounces back on Sunday. Not sure whether I will attend Trenton game or OTD yet.
    ///

    Yankfem – I was going to attend OTD but given Betances’ nightmare start tonight I want to see for myself how he responds on Sunday, rather than rely on Ashmore, Norris, etc. to tell me what happened. I’m selling my tix & going to the Trenton game.
    _____
    Still not sure what I am doing. I may give OTD’s to my brother because he hasn’t seen as many OT games as I have. However, I would hate to miss Betances. I am also hoping if Hughes pitches in Trenton next week (3rd start) that it won’t be the day game (his normal pitch day) b/c I can’t attend. However, they could instead send Hughes on the road w/SWB. Not sure where Norwich CT is–near Hartford perhaps?

  106. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    Still not sure what I am doing. I may give OTD’s to my brother because he hasn’t seen as many OT games as I have. However, I would hate to miss Betances. I am also hoping if Hughes pitches in Trenton next week (3rd start) that it won’t be the day game (his normal pitch day) b/c I can’t attend. However, they could instead send Hughes on the road w/SWB. Not sure where Norwich CT is–near Hartford perhaps?
    ///

    I saw that Hughes is pitching Wed. Can’t go to that either because of work. I’m ok leaving Hughes to his devices, he’s on the road back. Betances, I feel I need to see, especially after he got hit hard. I think Norwich is close to the RI border.

  107. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Night, Tar.

  108. West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    waka flocka June 21st, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    WCYF,

    He isn’t comparing Jeter to Varitek. What he is saying is that the Red Sox don’t let Varitek being ‘THE CAPTAIN!!’ get in the way of fielding the best possible team. How is that wrong and why does it matter that the team imploring this common sense idea happens to be Boston?

    ************

    Then he implicitly is comparing Varitek and the Red Sox with Derek Jeter and the Yankees. They are vastly different players and franchises. Does Apple emulate Dell in their business practices?

    I think common sense dictates that you don’t take precipitous actions in the middle of the season by demoting and in essence humiliating one of the greatest players to ever wear the Yankee pinstripes. Jeter has said he does not want to bat lower than second. He is not batting .160 he is batting .260 and I warrant the intangibles, leadership and character he contributes to the club, especially the younger players, is invaluable and far outweighs whatever small benefit you ‘might’ gain by dropping Jeter in the batting order.

  109. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    Prufrock, I just realized I used to see the sign for Norwich driving down 95 from RI. Quite a distance from NJ. However, of course the SWB game would have a shot at being televised on milb. However, I still think that pitching Hughes at Trenton makes more sense.

  110. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    Jerkface June 21st, 2011 at 11:24 pm
    Since 2010 Jeter has an OPS over .650 against exactly 1 red sox pitcher, Papelbon. So like yea if he would help the cause that’d be great, blah blah blah ALCS nitpick\
    ///

    What’s Jeter got to do with it? Gardner has tremendous speed but can’t make use of it against the Red Sox, or hasn’t to date. He is invisible against the Yankees’ arch rival, the team they probably will have to go through, from the looks of things. It would be a huge boost if Gardner could become a weapon against them, run on their bad catching tandem, do to them what Ellsbury has done to us recently. Instead, he’s a dead spot against them. I remember the jolt of youth & good hitting Melky always seemed to bring against the Red Sox. I wish Gardner could bring that to the table.

  111. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Yea, too bad none of that ever seems to come against Boston. His speed is non-existent against the team we’re likely to face in the ALCS.

    —–

    The ways people find to criticize Gardner truly amaze me.

    And then they point out how people are not objective regarding Jeter.

    It’s borderline insanity.

  112. LGY June 21st, 2011 at 11:55 pm

    Hahahaha.

    Now Melky is brought up to criticize Gardner.

    This Boston thing has to be the most far out there thing to date.

  113. yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    SI won 1-0 in 12 innings.

  114. J. Alfred Prufrock June 21st, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    yankeefeminista June 21st, 2011 at 11:52 pm
    Prufrock, I just realized I used to see the sign for Norwich driving down 95 from RI. Quite a distance from NJ. However, of course the SWB game would have a shot at being televised on milb. However, I still think that pitching Hughes at Trenton makes more sense.
    ///

    Oh, I thought the Wed. matinee with Hughes going was a done deal.

  115. m June 21st, 2011 at 11:58 pm

    Sometimes I think Varitek is happy just wearing the “C”. Actually, I hear he’s a pretty good guy (h/t to BD), same for Wakefield. Bet they both wish the Sox treated them as well as the Yankee core gets treated. :)

  116. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 12:02 am

    Gardner isn’t Granderson. Gardner has’nt been stealing bases; Gardner has been getting caught stealing bases. There’s kind of a big difference between the two.

    +——

    Granderson has been similarly awful at stealing bases.

    He was thrown out last night too but the error saved him.

  117. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 12:03 am

    Varitek has been treated as well as anyone in NY when you factor in his ability. Manny and Pedro (there’d be no rings without them), not so much, but maybe that’s a better way to do business, or maybe there is a happy medium.

  118. m June 22nd, 2011 at 12:04 am

    Has anyone mentioned the fact that we’re tied with Boston in the loss column?

    Also, the Twins are quietly sneaking back in their division. I guess we knew they’d get back on track. Just shows how awful they were to start the season, they’re still 8 games under .500.

  119. waka flocka June 22nd, 2011 at 12:07 am

    WCYF,

    Apple would emulate Dell’s business practices if they were proven to be more successful. And those great character traits? Like not wanting to take a pay cut, bullying the team into giving him four years, protesting being put on the DL (despite that meaning he would force the team to play with a 2-3 man bench in NL parks), and according to you not wanting to bat lower then second despite him not getting on base and hitting for basically ZERO power. Did I cover everything?

    The gap between Gardner and Jeter is not small. Its very significant and no amount of intangibles will make up for that. Jeter is the worst hitter on the team and hes getting the most at bats. That is stupid.

  120. RS June 22nd, 2011 at 12:07 am

    “Jeter has said he does not want to bat lower than second.”

    But why? I can understand him not wanting to play a position other than shortstop…that actually acquires a separate skill level that he may not possess or feel comfortable attempting. But batting 7th or 8th vs. leadoff is not any different except you get fewer ABs. A player should not have the authority to demand his spot in the lineup. That’s not setting a good example for younger players, IMO.

    Also, even if we forget about Jeter, how is the Posada/Varitek comparison not valid? Varitek at his best was never the center of the Sox offense, but he could hit .280 and pop 20 HR. He’s their best catcher and the primary leader in the clubhouse, and he’s being relegated to part-time duty. Posada gets to play everyday, but can’t bat ninth ONCE without causing a fit (surely he knew it wasn’t going to be a permanent move, and that Girardi would move him up as soon as he started heating up).

    Torre batted Arod 8th in a playoff game once….one of the top hitters of all-time in the prime of his career…and we didn’t hear one word of complaint. Both Jeter and Posada saw that play out. It’s clear that they expect special treatment from management. the debate is whether that special treatment is warranted, and to an extent it is, but how far can it be pushed? If a 39-year old Jeter is batting .230, does he still get to lead off?

  121. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 12:08 am

    Prufrock, no, Hughes’ 3rd start in terms of which of our minor league clubs he will pitch for has not been announced.

    Yankees’ core should be treated better than Varitek; they are all potential HOF’ers. Varitek is not.

  122. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 12:09 am

    I did note here that Boston lost. Didn’t mention being tied in the loss column, although I am aware of it. Good to note, though :D.

  123. LockDown June 22nd, 2011 at 12:09 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    I think common sense dictates that you don’t take precipitous actions in the middle of the season by demoting and in essence humiliating one of the greatest players to ever wear the Yankee pinstripes. Jeter has said he does not want to bat lower than second. He is not batting .160 he is batting .260 and I warrant the intangibles, leadership and character he contributes to the club, especially the younger players, is invaluable and far outweighs whatever small benefit you ‘might’ gain by dropping Jeter in the batting order.
    —————

    Jeter, an aging player, got a big contract and longer years than the yankees wanted to give him. The yankees are not humiliating Jeter.

    The media has seen his decline, something everyone including jeter has/will go through. He is not immune to decline. The longer this continues the more it looks like the yankees are catering to his ego, which looks less & less like the yankees are doing him bad by moving him AND more & more like Jeter feels he’s more important than the team and Girardi is a weak manager.

    You speak of Jeter being the leader & showing the younger players about character. If Jeter continues to struggle & Gardner continues to do well, this goes against leadership & character. It tells the players that he is bigger than the team. It tells Gardner that it doesn’t matter if he’s earned the leadoff that Jeter pride comes first. And that’s the message that everyone on the team will see.

    If things continue this way with Jeter & Gardner, Jeter (the team player) should realize that what’s best for the team is more important that an individual’s pride & ego. That shows character and leadership.

  124. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 12:13 am

    I don’t get why people think Yankee fans are rooting against Jeter.

    I root for the Yankees. Simple as that. I don’t care if there are a bunch of teletubbies on the team as long as they win.

    That’s why its so painful to see Jeter lead off. It hurts the team I root for win games.

    I don’t care who the leadoff hitter is as long as they are doing their job. Jeter is not and has not since 2009.

    I’ll root for Jeter until the bitter end but I’ll continue to complain about his role on the team if it hurts the Yankees win baseball games.

    I’m a fan of a baseball team. Not a museum.

  125. RS June 22nd, 2011 at 12:15 am

    What I wished the Yankees did that the Sox do is lock up their young players early. They did it with Cano but that was the exception, and since then, they’ve made it known that they won’t negotiate contract extensions until a player hits free agency,

    If the Yankees had the Red Sox exact same roster they would still have a 200 M payroll because they would wait until Lester, Buchholz, Pedroia, and Youkilis became free agents and pay them all 15-20 M per season instead of signing them to bargain deals.

  126. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 12:17 am

    “I root for the Yankees. Simple as that. I don’t care if there are a bunch of teletubbies on the team as long as they win.”

    “Loyalty to any one sports team is pretty hard to justify. Because the players are always changing, the team can move to another city, you’re actually rooting for the clothes when you get right down to it. You know what I mean, you are standing and cheering and yelling for your clothes to beat the clothes from another city. Fans will be so in love with a player but if he goes to another team, they boo him. This is the same human being in a different shirt, they hate him now. Boo! different shirt!! Boo.”

    - J. Seinfeld

  127. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 12:18 am

    You speak of Jeter being the leader & showing the younger players about character. If Jeter continues to struggle & Gardner continues to do well, this goes against leadership & character.
    ///

    WTF are you even talking about. They batted Gardner leadoff at the beginning of the year & he sucked. If he continues to rap out hits and walk, he’ll be put back in the leadoff spot, SINCE THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS WHEN THEY THOUGHT HE WAS THE BEST OPTION.

  128. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 12:20 am

    “WTF are you even talking about. They batted Gardner leadoff at the beginning of the year & he sucked. If he continues to rap out hits and walk, he’ll be put back in the leadoff spot,”

    But Gardner has been unsucking for two months out of two and a half months.

    How much more unsucking does he have to do?

  129. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 12:21 am

    No, you’re rooting for something archetypal that has roots that likely run deeply through your own personal history & your father’s (or mother’s), probably grandfather’s, etc. Seinfeld’s a comedy, but it’s also the materialist’s reduction of things.

  130. LockDown June 22nd, 2011 at 12:22 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 12:18 am
    —–

    My post is regarding Gardner in leadoff & Jeter being moved down the lineup (not Jeter in the 2 hole). It’s about present day situation in which Gardner is now hitting. I’m saying if this continues…

    That’s WTF I am talking about!!!

  131. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 12:22 am

    WTF are you even talking about. They batted Gardner leadoff at the beginning of the year & he sucked. If he continues to rap out hits and walk, he’ll be put back in the leadoff spot, SINCE THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS WHEN THEY THOUGHT HE WAS THE BEST OPTION.

    ——————–

    Dropping Jeter to 2nd solves NOTHING. It makes the lineup worse actually. Jeter should have been batting 9th vs RHP from Opening Day.

  132. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 12:23 am

    Well, actually, he’s leading off now, except when a lefty is starting, so he doesn’t have to do anything but step into the batter’s box when the game begins.

  133. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 12:24 am

    No, you’re rooting for something archetypal that has roots that likely run deeply through your own personal history & your father’s (or mother’s), probably grandfather’s, etc. Seinfeld’s a comedy, but it’s also the materialist’s reduction of things.

    ——————-

    What on earth does this mean? Please drop the Prufrock verse and speak English.

    I have no idea if this is even relevant, but my father thinks both Jeter AND Gardner suck.

  134. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 12:25 am

    He is not batting .160 he is batting .260 and I warrant the intangibles, leadership and character he contributes to the club, especially the younger players, is invaluable and far outweighs whatever small benefit you ‘might’ gain by dropping Jeter in the batting order.

    ——————-

    Why have you said repeatedly this season that you wish the Yankees had a leadoff hitter like Ellsbury?

  135. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 12:26 am

  136. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 12:27 am

    Gardner and Jeter are no Rickey Henderson in his prime.

  137. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 12:30 am

    joeman thinks everyone on our team sucks, but his angst tells me he has no choice but to root for the team.

  138. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 12:30 am

    Fans will be so in love with a player but if he goes to another team, they boo him. This is the same human being in a different shirt, they hate him now. Boo! different shirt!! Boo.”

    ——————-

    I used to love Alfredo Aceves.

    I hate him now and his douchey beard. I root for him to get pounded everytime he takes the field.

  139. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 12:30 am

    jnorris427 Josh Norris
    In his debut, Rob Lyerly went 3-for-5 with a double, run and RBI.

    I guess he can stay as long as he plays first. :)

  140. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 12:32 am

    “joeman thinks everyone on our team sucks…”

    I view his assertions as contrary indicators.

  141. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 12:32 am

    yankfem, another good young bat to discover in Trenton :D

  142. tyanksfan36 June 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 am

    Yankeefem

    And Rob Segedin went 1-4 in his Tampa debut with a walk and a run. And an error. Its like Lyerly never left lol. Going to get my first look at him tomorrow. I was glad to see that Kevin and Kyle hit home runs tonight. Zoilo hit another one. Guys is on fire.

  143. West Coast Yankee Fan June 22nd, 2011 at 12:36 am

    LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 12:25 am

    Why have you said repeatedly this season that you wish the Yankees had a leadoff hitter like Ellsbury?

    **********

    Wha on earth does that have to do with where Jeter bats? Where Jeter bats is a realistic conversation. Ellsbury on this team is not. Who wouldn’t want an Ellsbury hitting leadoff?

  144. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 12:36 am

    Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 12:32 am
    “joeman thinks everyone on our team sucks…”

    I view his assertions as contrary indicators.
    ///

    Yes, there’s that. I know people who refuse to watch big games. I have a colleague from Boston I deal with a few times a year & he confided when Boston finally won he no longer could relate to them in the same way. Fans.

  145. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Ellsbury is another over rated speed type. He’ll come back down to earth.

  146. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 12:38 am

    Wha on earth does that have to do with where Jeter bats? Where Jeter bats is a realistic conversation. Ellsbury on this team is not. Who wouldn’t want an Ellsbury hitting leadoff?

    —————-

    Because you have implicitly complained about Jeter as you have routinely pointed out how superior Ellsbury’s stats are to the Yankee leadoff hitter (Jeter).

    If Ellsbury was a Yankee would you continue to bat Jeter leadoff instead of him?

  147. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 12:39 am

    ty, I liked what I saw of Zoilo in SI. How’s Abe doing?

  148. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 12:39 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 12:32 am
    yankfem, another good young bat to discover in Trenton
    ___
    When Romine comes back, watch out! Although, I would be perfectly willing to lose Romine to SWB if a particular catcher from there was called up to the big club. ;)

    Betances’ control was so atypically bad, I just hope there is no arm issue: 1K, 4 BB, 3WP and HBP. I hate the lack of coverage from road games.

  149. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 12:39 am

    Another contrived offshoot of the same “discussion”.

  150. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 12:41 am

    Betances’ control was so atypically bad, I just hope there is no arm issue: 1K, 4 BB, 3WP and HBP. I hate the lack of coverage from road games.

    ///
    That crossed my mind but I brushed it aside. Scary thought.

  151. tyanksfan36 June 22nd, 2011 at 12:43 am

    Yankeefem

    Here is the link to my video of Claudio Custudio. It was taken through the fence and halfway though you hear the lawn mower coming by on the back field. I am almost done uploading a video of Ravel Santana.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L52vbxJk5t0

  152. West Coast Yankee Fan June 22nd, 2011 at 12:44 am

    If Ellsbury was a Yankee would you continue to bat Jeter leadoff instead of him?

    *************

    It would be a different team, you can’t just add Ellsbury.

  153. tyanksfan36 June 22nd, 2011 at 12:46 am

    J. Alfred

    Abe is still struggling. Not sure what his problem is. He shows bunt when he comes up to bat every time so he is often behind in the count which might be contributing to his poor numbers. He hasnt hit a home run in forever though he defense has gotten better. There’s not much I can say about him.

  154. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 12:46 am

    tyanks, saw Segedin in Lakewood for two games. He can’t field (strong arm though) but he sure can swing the bat. He has line drive power with high OBP. However, I can see him being converted to COF at some point. Kind of the story sadly with most of our 3B’s.

  155. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 12:46 am

    It would be a different team, you can’t just add Ellsbury.

    —————

    The Yankees trade Gardner and a prospect for Ellsbury. Ellsbury is their LF instead of Gardner. That is the only difference.

    Who bats leadoff?

  156. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 am

    ty, thanks. Maybe the shoulder is bothering him.

  157. Pat M. June 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Man, Matt Kemp has become a very very good ballplayer……What a talent

  158. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 am

    Betances and Banuelos most likely are hitting their dead arm periods. They both missed nearly three weeks and were brought back slowly. Both are right at 60 innings.

  159. m June 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 am

    As long as our offense continues to crank (as it has for most of the year even with various players in considerable slumps), I have no problem with Jeter hitting 1 or 2. Girardi has the enviable job of trying to squeeze some good players up there. Granderson is doing great up there, but his power would be nice batting behind the heart of the order. Swisher can thrive up there. And Gardner has responded with some great games in the top spot, as well.

    It’s all good, until it isn’t.

  160. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 12:47 am

    tyanks, is Abe a good bunter? Maybe they are finally working on the fundamentals that so many our speed players lack.

  161. tyanksfan36 June 22nd, 2011 at 12:48 am

    And here is the video of Santana

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoaLRRKW6t8

  162. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 12:49 am

    Segedin has been getting time in left field becayse his skills and defensive issues mirror those of Lyerly. Segedin also plays first base.

  163. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 12:49 am

    GB, could be, except neither of their respective velocities has dropped.

  164. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 12:51 am

    thanks, tyanks. I will check them out.

  165. West Coast Yankee Fan June 22nd, 2011 at 12:52 am

    LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 12:46 am

    The Yankees trade Gardner and a prospect for Ellsbury. Ellsbury is their LF instead of Gardner. That is the only difference. Who bats leadoff?

    ***********

    That would never happen. I don’t deal in nonsensical hypotheticals.

  166. West Coast Yankee Fan June 22nd, 2011 at 12:53 am

    If I am the manager, Jeter hits first or second this season. Period. That’s my opinion, doesn’t make me right or wrong.

  167. tyanksfan36 June 22nd, 2011 at 12:53 am

    Yankeefem

    not really, he shows bunt but hardly ever gets one down, not that he cant but sometimes he just shows bunt at the first pitch of the at-bat and thats it. I have seen him lay down a few good ones, he is good at moving runners though if he comes up with a man on 1st or 2nd.
    Emerson Landoni laid down a perfect bunt up the 3rd base line in last nights game, as soon as it was down, the guy behind me said “thats a base hit right there, a beauty” and sure enough he had it beat out with no throw. Maybe I will record him batting tomorrow if I remember.

  168. G. Love June 22nd, 2011 at 12:54 am

    The interesting thing to me about a segment of this fanbase’s reaction to Brett Gardner is they treat as if he didn’t come up through the Yankee system and wasn’t a draft. He’s almost regarded as a guy who crashed the party. It’s downright bizarre.

    Gardner biggest sin is his spot in the lineup and batting order could come at the expense of Jeter and came at the expense of the belovedly overrated Melky. So if you’re Jeter or Melky fan, you seem to hate Gardner and don’t believe in him.

    Gardner has been polarizing since he came up here. Thank God we’re past the days when you were called a racist on this blog for wanting to see Gardner get some playing time at Melky’s expense.

    It’s nice that Melky is doing well in KC and that he is finally taking baseball seriously.

    That said, if he had stayed in NY there was no guarantee he would ever develop as a player, yet people can’t let him go and still punish Gardner for staying and Melky being let go.

    Gardner strikes me as the kind of Yankee that someday a lot of you are going to wake up and realize how special he is and can be. He’s saving runs in the field, he’s creating runs in the order and he’s doing it all for pennies on the dollar in today’s.

    I’m stunned that a guy drafted and developed by the Yankees garners this much “hate” in the fanbase.

    He deserves to lead off when Jeter comes back because Jeter is not a major league caliber hitter anymore vs. RHP. Gardner getting on base makes the lineup better than it was with Jeter in the same spot against righties.

    How that makes Gardner a villain is beyond me.

  169. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 12:54 am

    That would never happen. I don’t deal in nonsensical hypotheticals.

    ————

    lol. You have to be kidding me. Dance around the question more. OK. New hypo.

    Gardner continues tearing s*** up. August 1st he is hitting: .313/.373/.469 (Jacoby Ellsbury’s batting line).

    Who leads off?

  170. tyanksfan36 June 22nd, 2011 at 12:56 am

    bad fielders have got to frustrate the groundball pitchers.

  171. tyanksfan36 June 22nd, 2011 at 12:58 am

    yankeefem

    ill record Abe that is, Im sure you dont care about Landoni.

  172. West Coast Yankee Fan June 22nd, 2011 at 1:00 am

    I am not dancing around anything. I will repeat what I said, if I am Girardi, Jeter bats first or second all season long. I gave the reasons to why many times above. If you don’t agree with my position, that’s fine.

    He is Derek Jeter, he’s approaching 3,000 hits and to me he is a Yankee great who is on a par with Dimaggio, Gehrig and Mantle. If I am management, I am not demoting him mid-season. Period, end of conversation as far as I am concerned.

  173. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 1:00 am

    tyanksfan36 June 22nd, 2011 at 12:48 am
    And here is the video of Santana

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoaLRRKW6t8
    ///

    Thanks ty. That’s the first time I’ve seen him. He looks like he can sting the ball. He’s kind of built, isn’t he? Have you seen him yourself?

  174. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 1:00 am

    tyanks, love everything about Ravel. I can’t wait to see what he looks like in two years. Thanks for the video.

  175. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 1:00 am

    YankeeFem, here’s an article with interviews of starters and relievers, indluing Sabathia and Buerhle on when it usually hits and how it just goes away. Basically, just a tired arm that comes and goes for no certain reason. Doesn’t mention that all lose speed, but, they lse sharpness.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

  176. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 1:01 am

    G-C

    Good points, but I’m a Gardner convert, based solely on performance. As a mL, I thought his contact rate tended to indicate that he wouldn’t be able to to be a ML starter. But he worked hard and improved. I’m glad to have been wrong.

  177. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 1:01 am

    Sorry, G. Love.

  178. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 1:01 am

    I am not dancing around anything. I will repeat what I said, if I am Girardi, Jeter bats first or second all season long. I gave the reasons to why many times above. If you don’t agree with my position, that’s fine.

    ——————

    Then I assume you will stop complaining about Jeter’s performance and repeatedly posting that you wish the Yankees had a leadoff hitter like Jacoby Ellsbury?

  179. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 1:04 am

    I’d love to see video of Yeicok Calderon, tyanks.

  180. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 1:05 am

    Thanks, GB. I will check it out.

  181. West Coast Yankee Fan June 22nd, 2011 at 1:07 am

    LGY – You assume wrong. When I am watching a game and any player performs poorly I will make that observation. If Jeter plays poorly, guess who would be the first one to tell you he stunk. Jeter would.

    As far as Ellsbury is concerned, in a fantasy, wishful thinking world, yes I would like to have a guy on my team with his speed who actually knows how to steal bases, with 24, and a .311 BA.

  182. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 1:09 am

    As far as Ellsbury is concerned, in a fantasy, wishful thinking world, yes I would like to have a guy on my team with his speed who actually knows how to steal bases, with 24, and a .311 BA.

    ——————

    Jacoby Ellsbury

    24 SB, 10 CS 24/34= 71%

    For those wondering at home…71% is not good.

  183. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 1:09 am

    Cue those violins, please. I only hope that someday, Gardner will find it in his heart to forgive us all.

  184. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 1:10 am

    abe Almonte somehow got the idea back in Charleson that he was a power hitter. He never will be and his swing has been screwed up since the, He was always a fine center fielder with a good arm and plenty of speed, He could bunt, hit and run…it was Zoilo Alnobte that was floundering. They’ve switched places. Seems like they’ve been around forever but, they’re still only 21 and 22 years old. Zoilo’s arm isn’t quite as strong as Abraham’s.

  185. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa June 22nd, 2011 at 1:11 am

    last time i checked, the Yankees don’t have their last names on the back of their jerseys for a reason

    it’s about the team, not about a single player, even if that player is a legend

    bottom line there is no justification for Jeter leading off after he gets 3000 hits, and if he stays there, it sends the message that one guy is bigger than the Yankees which is a complete joke

    truth be told, i hope he retires after this season, it’d be the best thing for both sides, they are a better team with Nunez playing shortstop and Jeter on the bench

    let him get 3000 and then ride off into the sunset

  186. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 1:11 am

    If any Yankee needs to find it in his hear to forgive Yankee fans, it’s A-Rod. He’s been treated like crap even though he has been a truly great Yankee.

  187. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 1:11 am

    I don’t understand.

    You will continue to complain about Jeter, write things like “That’s what happens when you have a real lead-off hitter,” pine for someone Ellsbury leading off (even though Gardner has been every bit the player Ellsbury has been and more since his slow start), but you will continue to want Jeter leading off?

    How does that make sense??

  188. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 1:12 am

    G-Love, not sure why anyone would consider Gardner a “villain.” Nor do I “hate” him or consider him a rival to Jeter. That is overwrought and not remotely accurate. He is a player on the team I root for, and I want him to be successful. On the other hand, I don’t have some deeply charged emotional investment in him like many here seem to.

  189. tyanksfan36 June 22nd, 2011 at 1:14 am

    yankeefem

    youre in luck. I have video of him. Now, the camera was shaky at times because I was sweating and trying to wipe my face but I did get video of him. Ill set it to upload right now. I stopped recording the pitch right before he took ball 4 so even though you dont see the whole at-bat what you are missing is him essentially not swinging at the ball.

  190. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 1:17 am

    what’s better? 71% or 58%?

  191. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 1:18 am

    Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 1:11 am
    If any Yankee needs to find it in his hear to forgive Yankee fans, it’s A-Rod. He’s been treated like crap even though he has been a truly great Yankee.
    _____
    *Was* treated like crap. I was the leader of the stop booing ARod contingent at the Stadium. Some of the most odious fans one ever had to be around. Sitting through multiple years of that asinine booing almost made me stop attending games. It was brutal–game in and game out, the same old taunts and boos. However, ARod is no longer abused by Yankee fans. Thankfully.

  192. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 1:20 am

    Jeter is bigger than the team. Blah blah blah. You can’t make this stuff up.

  193. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 1:20 am

    what’s better? 71% or 58%?

    ————-

    Who cares? They both have been poor basestealers this season.

    Gardner is also the better baserunner (not SB division) than Ellsbury.

  194. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 1:23 am

    How ironic that the asinine behavior is now shifting from Rodrigiez to Jeter, huh? Neither one deserves the treatment, and neither does Gardner, but, he really hasn’t proved that he can do anything over a full season, I’ll leave post season BS out of it.

  195. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa June 22nd, 2011 at 1:23 am

    LOL

    when you put a guy in a spot of the order that he no longer deserves just because of who he is, you are putting that player ahead of the greater interest of the team

    period

  196. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 1:23 am

    yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 1:20 am
    Jeter is bigger than the team. Blah blah blah. You can’t make this stuff up.
    ///

    This is the gathering place for drama queens tonight.

  197. West Coast Yankee Fan June 22nd, 2011 at 1:24 am

    yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 1:20 am

    Jeter is bigger than the team. Blah blah blah. You can’t make this stuff up.

    **************

    Sorry that you don’t understand Jeter’s place in Yankee history and how management should treat such a player. Blah – blah – blah.

  198. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 1:24 am

    Hey junior, you brought it up, Not me.

  199. m June 22nd, 2011 at 1:24 am

    G. Love’s post is not entirely incorrect. When Gardner and Melky were both on the team, Gardner was pretty polarizing. In general, I noticed some liked Melky and showed some resistance in accepting Gardner. Even after he’s proven himself. Others say they like him, but when he’s slumping the few resistors come out. I think most here have accepted Gardner and even like him. But the nitpicking of him, especially for what he’s paid is mind-boggling.

  200. tyanksfan36 June 22nd, 2011 at 1:25 am

    Here it is, better take your motion sickness pills before watching this one.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYOg4ny42_Y

  201. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 1:25 am

    Hey junior, you brought it up, Not me.

    ————–

    Actually WC brought it up and I pointed out that Ellsbury’s SB numbers are not good.

  202. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 1:26 am

    WCYF, have you be reading anything I have written or do you have tunnel vision? Do you not understand irony? :roll:

  203. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 1:26 am

    Nothing like tap dancing around a question using facts is there? You do that a lot.

  204. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 1:26 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan June 22nd, 2011 at 1:24 am
    yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 1:20 am

    Jeter is bigger than the team. Blah blah blah. You can’t make this stuff up.

    **************

    Sorry that you don’t understand Jeter’s place in Yankee history and how management should treat such a player. Blah – blah – blah.
    ///

    You’re a god awful reader, West Coast.

  205. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 1:27 am

    You also made a point of it not to include gardner’s numbers. Picking your facts that suit, are we?

  206. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa June 22nd, 2011 at 1:28 am

    yeah, moving a guy down in the order when he is in a massive decline and when it would be the best thing for the TEAM, that is denigrating his whole career

    “you can’t make this stuff up”

  207. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 1:28 am

    You also made a point of it not to include gardner’s numbers. Picking your facts that suit, are we?

    ——————

    Huh?? Why would I include Gardner’s numbers to respond to a post about Ellsbury?

  208. m June 22nd, 2011 at 1:28 am

    Not sure which game it was, but the national tv booth was really impressed with Gardner’s double where he rounded the base at just the right angle. Does anyone else make it to 2B?

  209. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 1:31 am

    HUH? Is that the best response you have?

  210. yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 1:31 am

    ytanks, nice even with the jitters. He and Santana are two to keep an eye on. Wish I had them in SI.

  211. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 1:33 am

    HUH? Is that the best response you have?

    ————–

    Generally when someone is nonsensically rambling on, ‘huh’ comes to mind.

    I have no idea what you are saying or what your point is.

  212. Jerkface June 22nd, 2011 at 1:35 am

    Gardner isn’t having a good basestealing year so far, but he was excellent the last 3 seasons. Ellsbury is also having a weaker basestealing year than normal. As is Carl Crawford. I expect Gardner to get back to the 84% he was pulling in 2010 and 2009.

  213. West Coast Yankee Fan June 22nd, 2011 at 1:35 am

    J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 1:26 am

    You’re a god awful reader, West Coast.

    ***********

    Is that right. Funny how that works I don’t think you are very capable either.

  214. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 1:36 am

    Gardner isn’t having a good basestealing year so far, but he was excellent the last 3 seasons. Ellsbury is also having a weaker basestealing year than normal. As is Carl Crawford. I expect Gardner to get back to the 84% he was pulling in 2010 and 2009.

    —————

    And Granderson.

    The LH OF in the AL East are cursed. Someone has sapped their base stealing ability.

  215. West Coast Yankee Fan June 22nd, 2011 at 1:37 am

    yankeefeminista June 22nd, 2011 at 1:26 am

    WCYF, have you be reading anything I have written or do you have tunnel vision? Do you not understand irony? :roll:

    *************

    If I missed something apologies, I have a full house here and am going back and forth.

  216. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 1:38 am

    Nobody is questioning Gardner’s speed or base running ability. It’s the sudden loss in his ability to steal bases, read pitchers, or, just plain lock up when standing on first base. Standing there in a steal situation and still be standing there when the hitter is waiting for him to run. He tends to put the hitters behind him in a hole. He’s lost some of the things that fast tracked him to NY in the first place. Last year and the early part of this season, it was standing at the plate and looking for walks with 0-2 counts and pitches down the middle. Patience is one thing. Being too afraid to swing is another.

  217. J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 1:38 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan June 22nd, 2011 at 1:35 am
    J. Alfred Prufrock June 22nd, 2011 at 1:26 am

    You’re a god awful reader, West Coast.

    ***********

    Is that right. Funny how that works I don’t think you are very capable either.
    ///

    It was in reference to your complete whiff on YF’s comment. Unreal.

  218. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 1:38 am

    This is becoming a pretty funny thread.

  219. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 1:40 am

    Three years of numbers is good enough for Gardner, but a career isn’t good enough for Jeter? You three little BFBs need to get your crap together.

  220. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 1:41 am

    Nobody is questioning Gardner’s speed or base running ability

    ——————

    Who said they were?

    What’s your angle here homeslice?

  221. tyanksfan36 June 22nd, 2011 at 1:41 am

    yankeefem

    youre welcome. I will try to keep an eye on them when I can make it to their games. I can only really go to their games when they are home and on the weekends. Its just too hot to drive further and I work during their games during the week.

  222. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 1:41 am

    Yup, very funny.

  223. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 1:42 am

    What is a BFB?

  224. Jerkface June 22nd, 2011 at 1:42 am

    Nobody is questioning Gardner’s speed or base running ability. It’s the sudden loss in his ability to steal bases, read pitchers, or, just plain lock up when standing on first base. Standing there in a steal situation and still be standing there when the hitter is waiting for him to run. He tends to put the hitters behind him in a hole. He’s lost some of the things that fast tracked him to NY in the first place. Last year and the early part of this season, it was standing at the plate and looking for walks with 0-2 counts and pitches down the middle. Patience is one thing. Being too afraid to swing is another.

    What has he lost that ‘fast tracked him’(Uh he spent 5 years in the minors)? Right now he is hitting .290, walking, hitting for power. Gardner is one of the best hitters on the time right now and does plenty that I don’t think he needs you questioning him. Blaming Jeter’s struggles on him is funny though.

  225. Jerkface June 22nd, 2011 at 1:44 am

    Pretty sure GB7 is a massive homophobe.

  226. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 1:46 am

    Gardner was in NY in 3 and a half years, not 5.

  227. West Coast Yankee Fan June 22nd, 2011 at 1:46 am

    I have to go; my last comment on the Jeter discussion and one I didn’t mention before is that I think any perceived disrespect of Jeter would be met by a great deal of consternation and pushback by his teammates. Good management always takes company moral into account when making a call like this one and I would not underestimate this.

  228. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 1:47 am

    Three years of numbers is good enough for Gardner, but a career isn’t good enough for Jeter? You three little BFBs need to get your crap together.

    —————

    You are really bad analogies. For real, they never make sense.

    If I was you, I’d just give up trying in that department.

  229. Jerkface June 22nd, 2011 at 1:48 am

    Gardner was in NY in 3 and a half years, not 5.

    You’re right, called up in his fourth minor league season, but he repeated AA and AAA. And he was a college hitter. He wasn’t fast tracked. But you didn’t answer my question.

  230. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 1:49 am

    “… any perceived disrespect of Jeter would be met by a great deal of consternation and pushback by his teammates.”

    Refuse to lose.

  231. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 1:50 am

    Woah. Just looked up on urban dictionary what BFB means. I’m pretty you are not calling us big fat b*stards, so it has gotta be the second definition.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com.....term=B.F.B.

    Where is Vineyard Yankee to show moral outrage over women being scared of lohud because of behavior like this???

    WCYF has him locked up just when we need him most!!!

  232. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 1:52 am

    GB,

    I think you need to see this. Grant Hill says gay jokes ARE NOT COOL!!

    Are you going to disagree with Grant Hill???

    http://www.iamagm.com/news/201......gay.slurs

  233. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 1:54 am

    Think B4 You Speak GB7

  234. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 2:09 am

    The real story of THE Bat in Fenway that October day.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....um=twitter

  235. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 2:11 am

    jnorris427 Josh Norris
    In an interview in HS in NC, Rob Lyerly was asked to name the toughest pitcher he’d ever faced. His answer? #Yankees prospect Adam Warren.

  236. Vineyard Yankee June 22nd, 2011 at 2:47 am

    Nothing like a lot of laughs before calling it a day. Thanks guys. LMAO !

  237. David in Cal June 22nd, 2011 at 3:32 am

    I’m a fan. I watch the Yanks hoping to see them win. It bugs me to see a player not trying his best to win the game. Similarly, it bugs me to see the manager (or GM or whoever) use a lineup that isn’t trying its best to win the game. I think that’s why the controversy over Jeter leading off isn’t going away.

  238. waka flocka June 22nd, 2011 at 3:43 am

    “Sorry that you don’t understand Jeter’s place in Yankee history and how management should treat such a player. Blah – blah – blah.”

    This whole ‘respect’ shtick is horse crap. The Yankees didn’t respect Jeter with his eight year deal that made him one of the highest paid players in the game? They didn’t respect him by making him the captain of the team? When does this sh*t end? Jeter has an OPS+ of 77. That is horrendous!

    Keep on touting your ‘Jeter hits first or second no matter what!’ agenda. Then realize we have three more years of this guy.

  239. ron June 22nd, 2011 at 7:04 am

    “With Derek Jeter on the shelf for the last week, Joe Girardi has employed a Brett Gardner-Nick Swisher leadoff hitter platoon with great (small sample size) results. Yankees leadoff hitters have put together a .423/.559/.654 batting line since Jeter got hurt, which is both awesome and unsustainable. After Tuesday’s game against the Reds was called due to rain, Joe Girardi told reporters that Jeter will return to the leadoff spot once he’s healthy. As far as I know, he didn’t give a reason or explain his thinking, though if he did I imagine it went something like this…

    Jete is our shortstop and our leadoff hitter, that’s why he’s here. Gardy and Swish have done a great job, but it’s still Derek’s job and he’ll get it back. We feel our best lineup has Derek leading off. We trust all of our guys.

    I think that about covers it. Of course you know that Jeter shouldn’t be leading off if you’ve watched the Yankees with any regularity this season. He’s hitting just .260/.324/.324 overall and a slightly better.270/.336/.345 from the top spot in the order. The average leadoff hitter is batting .264/.328/.387 this season, so the Cap’n isn’t even meeting that modest standard. There’s no logical reason why someone performing like that should get more plate appearances than anyone else in the lineup. None.

    Obviously Jeter’s legacy is coming into play here, and that’s a dumb reason to make a decision. But it is what it is, and we’re stuck dealing with it. Perhaps there’s a compromise though, one that maximizes the team’s chances of scoring (and by extension, winning) without bruising Derek’s ego, since that is what this is essentially all about. The solution: platoon him with Gardner. A straight platoon, Gardner leads off against righties while Jeter leads off against lefties. That’s it”.

  240. ron June 22nd, 2011 at 7:06 am

    “As unimpressive as his overall stat line is, Jeter is still hitting a stout .299/.405/.403 against left-handed hitters, continuing last year’s trend (.321/.391/.481 vs. LHP in 2010). He’s unusable against right-handers though (.246/.294/.297 this year, .246/.316/.317 last year), and that’s where he’s really killing the team. Gardner does his best work against righties (.294/.366/.465 this year, .279/.362/.396 career), which is why he should leadoff against them. Jeter will be on the short of the platoon since he’s the righty, but you know what? That’s life. At some point he has to step up and face the reality of the situation. He hasn’t hit righties for 15 months now, it’s not just a slump anymore.

    Not that I would know anything about it, but the old saying is that the toughest thing for a world class athlete to do is accept when they can no longer do thing they used too. That’s what Jeter is going through now, whether he realizes it or not. If they want to bat him leadoff until he gets his 3,000th hit, fine. Hopefully he does it sooner rather than later. After that though, the Yankees have to put their foot down and start doing what’s best for the team. Platooning Jeter and Gardner atop the lineup is step one of that process”.

  241. mick June 22nd, 2011 at 7:16 am

    Some of you are spending too much time in here and need to get a life.

  242. ron June 22nd, 2011 at 7:31 am

    Not me.

    Just got up & read some of the last posts.

    I found the above at rab & they are right.

    Jeter is below league average leadoff hitter & is unusable against righties.

    If it wasn’t jeter he would be benched against righties.

  243. blake June 22nd, 2011 at 7:52 am

    So with no game to discuss…..apparently the blog has reverted to the current default (Derek Jeter and where he should hit).

    You all should know that Giradi isn’t going to be able to make this decision and will likely choose to hit Jonesy leadoff instead….. so they can begin each game with a smile.

  244. ron June 22nd, 2011 at 7:56 am

    I just don’t see it happening til jeters 3000 hits are way out of the way.

    Then it will start where jeter is at 1st dropped to 2nd.

    From there he will have to be dropped but i think he stays at 2nd for the rest of this year.

    Next year all bets are off.

  245. upstate kate June 22nd, 2011 at 8:00 am

    grrrrrr…time for a new post…time for a new topic

  246. Tar June 22nd, 2011 at 8:04 am

    What is Gardner’s lead-off stats against RH batters? Oh right, not as good as Jeter’s ok.

    Gardner had the lead-off position and failed. He is getting a second chance— as he should.

    One thing I am curious about is what effect Jeter’s unreal leading off a game stats have had.

    This 2011 team seems to have taking the early lead a lot this year. (don’t have time to check). That has to have had a positive effect on the win-loss column.

  247. upstate kate June 22nd, 2011 at 8:08 am

    how do you think Girardi will fill out the line up? Split the veterans? Have the first game be mostly the regular line up in case the 2nd game doesn’t get played? Who gets Martin as C? Does Po get in there at 1B?

  248. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 8:19 am

    i think that Martin and Rodriguez go in the first game against the better pitcher. It’s not going to happen, but, a perfect time to give Posada, the extra emergency catcher a game behind the plate in game #2. I think that Dickerson gets an outfield start in one of the games, maybe in game #1. That puts a little nore fire power in both games. Hell of a bench, though.

  249. ron June 22nd, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Tar:

    You are entitled to your opinion but know that you are in the minority.

    Any other player would have been dropped long,long ago.

    Now as far as jeter being a special case & coming up on 3000 hits,maybe he should not be dropped yet,but going by numbers & numbers alone he should & it’s not even close.

    CC,pedroia,quintan,werth & just about any other player get’s dropped.moved up based on their production,in far less than the 15 months that jeter has been attrocious against rh pitchers.

    Jeter is below league average as a leadoff hitter.

    Jeter is getting on base 29.5 % of the time against rh pitchers,gardner 36.6 %.

    Gardner also is hitting for more power than jeter is now & is beating jeter in every stat imaginable.

    Jeter has 2 hr/20 rbi in 262 ab.

    Gardner 4 hr/18 rbi in 205 ab.

    Do you think for 1 second that it does not suck that we have to watch jeter go through this,it hurts.

    But jeters numbers are just terrible.

    He has to get less ab,not more

  250. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 8:23 am

    ron June 22nd, 2011 at 8:21 am
    Tar:

    You are entitled to your opinion but know that you are in the minority.

    ———————————————————————————————————————–

    Who’s the majority? The media? They don’t count. The three loudmouths that harp on it at every opportunity? You?

  251. upstate kate June 22nd, 2011 at 8:24 am

    I think Po would play 1st before he would C, especially since Cervelli hasn’t caught in awhile.

  252. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 8:25 am

    How many points get deducted for caught stealing? How many for getting picked off base?

  253. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Teixeira for one will fight sitting. Unless Girardi, for whatever reason, starts Jones, at least two outfielders and one infielder is playing both games, unless somebody gets optioned back to Scranton.

  254. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 8:30 am

    It will be curious to see if there’s a new face spotted in the clubhouse this morning.

  255. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 8:32 am

    The real match-up might be to see which pitcher is the better hitter. Leake or Gordon.

  256. upstate kate June 22nd, 2011 at 8:37 am

    I am going w/ Gordon, just because. I was disappointed that CC didn’t get a hit or 2.

  257. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 8:43 am

    Kate, that will be an entertaining part of the game. Not many people look forward to seeing pitchers hit. One of those two will go yard, though. NYY has never had a pitcher go deep in interleague that I can remember.

  258. Tom in N.J. June 22nd, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Looking a Jeter’s splits, and I see these truths:

    During the day he hits .307 .389 .440 .829.

    On the Road he hits: .291 .354 .402 .756.

    Vs. ‘fineses’ pitchers he hits: .298 .347 .359 .706

    So, the best time for Jeter to lead off is on the road, in the afternoon, against a soft tosser. Unless the game is in a dome, Jeter doesn’t hit in domes, or on turf. Toronto and Safeco could be problematic.

  259. upstate kate June 22nd, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Maybe CC will get the opportunity to PH

  260. blake June 22nd, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Jeter was swinging the bat better than he has all year when he got hurt…..he was coming off a great west coaster and had been making much more consistent solid contact. I still think he can figure this thing out and be productive ……I wouldn’t give up on him just yet… If he’s still still struggling by the end of July then move him down vs RHP.

  261. Erin June 22nd, 2011 at 8:58 am

    upstate kate June 22nd, 2011 at 8:37 am
    I was disappointed that CC didn?t get a hit or 2.

    *****************

    Me too.

  262. Shame Spencer June 22nd, 2011 at 8:58 am

    I’d love to get worked up about Jeter hits…. but I just can’t waste any energy on it. I wonder if the SS position for the Yanks will turn into the SS situation in Boston after he retires.

  263. upstate kate June 22nd, 2011 at 9:00 am

    I think of Boston’s SS like Harry Potter’s Defense of the Dark Arts professor…a different one every year.

  264. Shame Spencer June 22nd, 2011 at 9:03 am

    kate – My thoughts exactly. The joke with the NJ Devils is that Voldemort once wanted their head coach position and that’s why we can’t keep one for more than a year. I envision a similar situation occurring when Jeter’s gone. We’ll all be sitting here watching player X flub double plays and make awful throws to first and each of us will remember when the biggest problem on our team was apparently where Derek Jeter bats.

    Until I see proof its losing us games, I just don’t care. I have more of a problem with Andruw Jones batting ANYWHERE.

  265. Erin June 22nd, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Shame Spencer June 22nd, 2011 at 8:58 am
    I?d love to get worked up about Jeter hits?. but I just can?t waste any energy on it.

    **********************

    Shame, at this point the horse has been beaten to death. LOL Any other old and tired topic would be welcome. I’m even willing to revisit the “should Laura Posada have been tweeting from the hospital” argument. ;)

  266. Erin June 22nd, 2011 at 9:06 am

    upstate kate June 22nd, 2011 at 9:00 am
    I think of Boston?s SS like Harry Potter?s Defense of the Dark Arts professor?a different one every year.

    **********************

    nice.

  267. Shame Spencer June 22nd, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Maybe we should be leading the “Gardner as an everyday player” brigade before we try to start the “Gardner as an everyday lead off hitter” party. That’s all I’m sayin.

  268. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Unless NY brings in an outsider to plau shortstop, like Reyes, it’ll be another forty years befor the Yanks have a HOF type shortstop. Not many beyond Nunez in the system to right home about. Culver and Walter Ibarra for the only hopes to having a good two way shortstop. hey just don’t happen often and especially drafting where the Yanks draft. There aren’t the Tulowitzkis that deep into the draft.The Holy Trinity and Tejada was just a freak of nature, Trammell, Ripkin and Smith were retiring and Larkin wasn’t far from it.

  269. Erin June 22nd, 2011 at 9:15 am

    BryanHoch Tarp being wrapped up here in Cincinnati. Let’s play two today.

  270. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 9:17 am

    “Maybe we should be leading the “Gardner as an everyday player” brigade before we try to start the “Gardner as an everyday lead off hitter” party. That’s all I’m sayin.”

    All I’m sayin’ is read the posts. Most everyone you inaccurately characterize want Jeter to leadoff v. LHP and Gardner to leadoff v. RHP.

    ” I wonder if the SS position for the Yanks will turn into the SS situation in Boston after he retires.”

    Again, you’re missing the point. Many of us have said, in the face of some criticism, that Jeter, not Rivera, as some would suggest, was the most valuable Yankee of the run.

    Players like him are hard to find, but no one is immune to the aging curve.

    It may turn out that he can remain at SS longer if he doesn’t leadoff because less will be expected of him. If his defense remains steady and his offense doesn’t rebound v. RHP, that could be a tribute to him, not a criticism.

  271. GreenBeret7 June 22nd, 2011 at 9:20 am

    I’ll settle for a full game in the afternnon, and then get a big lead after five and have it pour down and wash out the last 4 innings of the nightcap. Team gets back to NY before 1 AM.

  272. Mell June 22nd, 2011 at 9:20 am

    I wonder if the SS position for the Yanks will turn into the SS situation in Boston after he retires.

    =====================================

    Chances are it will be something quite a bit like it. Fact is, most teams’ SS situations aren’t all that different from Boston’s. Before Jeter, the Yankees’ SS situation was like Boston’s. Guys who are able to come to a team and entrench themselves in at SS for 15+ years is the exceedingly rare exception, not the rule.

  273. blake June 22nd, 2011 at 9:20 am

    Montero being able to catch in the big leagues could be a huge thing….consider that if he’s able to catch then the DH spot remains open for more days there for Alex. (Who despite having a good year defensively seems to be constantly battling some nagging injury).

    More DH days for Alex means that Jeter could slide over and play 3rd some. Alex could even work some at 1st to give Tex a day here and there at DH. Could they make a rotation like that work where Alex, Tex, and Jeter share the DH/1B/3B duties and therefore facilitate bringing a guy like Reyes in to play SS this winter? I don’t know. I do know that good SS’s in their primes are next to impossible to find and there will be one available this winter for just cash.

  274. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Gardner had the lead-off position and failed. He is getting a second chance—as he should.

    ——-

    Jeter has failed too.

    Why didn’t someone else get a chance?

  275. blake June 22nd, 2011 at 9:25 am

    “Why didn’t someone else get a chance?”

    Jonesy?

  276. Shame Spencer June 22nd, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Rich – Don’t try to pull me into some kind of debate, I wasn’t trying to be argumentative. I understand everything about your argument, as I have read various forms of it daily for over a year. I’m not missing any points, I’m not characterizing any of the posters on here in a specific light.. I’m just over the discussion. By all means, do not let that stop you or anyone else from continuing to have it.

  277. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 9:26 am

    Jonesy, like Winnsy, got to many chances.

  278. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Jonesy?

    ——-

    Why not?

    Maybe his huge smile at the plate would put the team in a happy mood right from the get go.

  279. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 9:28 am

    SS

    Why would I want to debate you? There was nothing to debate.

    But if you want to make clever posts, at least try to be accurate.

  280. Tom in N.J. June 22nd, 2011 at 9:29 am

    From 1985 to 1995 the Yankees had 8 different starting shortstops.

    Bob Meacham
    Wayne Tolleson
    Rafael Santana
    Alvaro Espinoza
    Andy Stankiewicz
    Spike Owen
    Mike Gallego
    Tony Fernandez

  281. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Posada has a big place in Yankee history.

    Why couldn’t he get a shot at the leadoff spot vs RHP?

  282. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 9:32 am

    There was nothing better than watching Spike Owens slide on his knees for a routine groundball.

    btw, All the more reason not to waste picks on the likes Soriano, but instead to stockpile them in the hope you have a better chance to get lucky.

    That’s why even when I get frustrated with Cashman, I fear he’d be replaced with more of Levine lackey.

  283. Erin June 22nd, 2011 at 9:33 am

    BryanHoch Sunday?s game vs. Colorado will have a new scheduled first pitch time at 2:20 p.m?Old Timers? Day ceremonies will begin at 11:30 a.m

  284. RadioKev June 22nd, 2011 at 9:34 am

    benshpigel Ben Shpigel
    For all Brett Gardner fans, from our friends at @fangraphs: http://bit.ly/kVgseQ
    ——

    Has this been mentioned yet?

  285. Shame Spencer June 22nd, 2011 at 9:34 am

    LOL. Rich I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about.

  286. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 9:35 am

    SS

    That’s nice.

  287. Shame Spencer June 22nd, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Just to be clear… I only posted that comment about Gardner because our manager seems to believe he is a platoon player and I find it ironic we’re pushing for him to be our lead off hitter when he apparently hasn’t even earned the right to be an everyday player.

  288. Erin June 22nd, 2011 at 9:40 am

    JackCurryYES Cueto will get even more rest by starting 2d game 2day. “It gives him the extra hours for the neck situation,” Dusty Baker told reporters.

    JackCurryYES Weird nite in Cincy. Reds postpone gm (5th in 9 yrs). Stopped raining so teams coulda played. Cueto (stiff neck) benefited from xtra rest

  289. upstate kate June 22nd, 2011 at 9:41 am

    LGY
    Wait, what??? Are you trying to be argumentative? Why would Po ever be put in the lead off spot? He isn’t now and never has been a lead off hitter.

  290. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 9:43 am

    Dusty Baker was laughing when he said that, right?

  291. Erin June 22nd, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Wow, do we need a new post. That lineup can go up at anytime now!!!!

  292. Erin June 22nd, 2011 at 9:45 am

    YankeesWFAN In case you missed this on Letterman this week: Cameron talks about ARod http://bit.ly/mK1WCX

  293. LGY June 22nd, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Kate

    Po has a 792 OPS vs RHP. That’s way better than Jeter so why can’t he get a crack at leading off?

  294. Mell June 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 am

    From 1985 to 1995 the Yankees had 8 different starting shortstops.

    Bob Meacham
    Wayne Tolleson
    Rafael Santana
    Alvaro Espinoza
    Andy Stankiewicz
    Spike Owen
    Mike Gallego
    Tony Fernandez

    =====================

    Ah yes, the Stankiewicz Era. Good times.

  295. blake June 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Magglio is still hitting 5th in the Tigers lineup despite hitting under .200 with virtually no power. You want to be sure great players are done in that role before you remove them from it……its really not that uncommon for managers to give veteran and especially HOF players a very long leesh before making a change because they know it’ll create controversy and also because they know the best thing for the team would be to get that player playing the way they have in the past…..you want to be certain they can’t anymore before stirring the pot.

  296. ac1 June 22nd, 2011 at 9:51 am

    first game no alex, tex or martin?
    same game?

    :)

    watch the 3-4 spot produce 10 runs.

  297. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 9:51 am

    I disagree, blake. Lineups can be changed at any times as facts dictate. Immutable lineups make no sense to me.

  298. Erin June 22nd, 2011 at 9:52 am

    JackCurryYES A-Rod, Teixeira and Martin aren’t starting the day game 2day. Pena at 3d, Posada at 1st and Cervelli at C

  299. Mell June 22nd, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Rodriguez, Teixeira and Martin sitting out Game 1?

  300. ac1 June 22nd, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Gardner, Granderson, Swisher, Cano, Posada, Nunez, Pena, Cervelli, Garcia
    ____

    That is a great lineup if i have ever seen one.

  301. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 am

    That’s house money on steroids.

  302. blake June 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Rich,

    Where guys hit doesn’t make as much difference as it may seem.

  303. Erin June 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Off topic, but it’s always good to start the day off with a Ferris Bueller reference:

    benshpigel I’m not quite sure how to process this: Cameron Frye will be 55 years old on July 1.

  304. Yankee Trader June 22nd, 2011 at 9:54 am

    My GTLU for game 2 against Cueto with his splits attached:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.....pe='R

    Gardner LF
    Granderson CF
    Tex 1B
    Cano 2B
    Posada C
    Nunez SS
    Dickerson RF
    Pena 3B
    Gordon P

  305. Erin June 22nd, 2011 at 9:55 am

    New Post w/lineup

    :arrow:

  306. blake June 22nd, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Francona stuck with Ortiz despite him struggling and being useless vs LHP for a long time…..boston wrote his obituary 2 years ago. Its paying off now……great players sometimes find a way to be great again.

  307. Yankee Trader June 22nd, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Guess I blogged too soon abut the lineup for game 2. Just saw Erin’s post about who is not playing game 1.

  308. ron June 22nd, 2011 at 9:59 am

    blake:

    I agree.

    Also the yankees havo no better options against rh pitchers.

    Both nunez & pena are bad against them,with pena being much worse,using last years numbers for pena,this years numbers for nunez because pena only has had 1 ab against them,this year.

    Pena in 2010 had a .545 ops against rh pitchers.

    Nunez this year has a .577 ops against them.

    Jeter will be given a very long time,just because of who he is.

    But at some point something will be done & will have to be done.
    Right now there is nobody else to sit jeter for at ss against rh pitchers,including nunez.

    If nunez had a .700 or .800 ops against rh pitchers,it would be different.

    Jeter has 2 hr/20 rbi.

    ugly.

  309. BIG AL June 22nd, 2011 at 10:00 am

    West Coast Yankee Fan June 21st, 2011 at 11:17 pm
    Jeter has said he does not want to bat lower than second
    ==================================

    I never heard Jeter say anything of the sort. In fact in an interview I watched he said he’d bat wherever Joe wanted him to bat, all that was important to him was that he was playing.

  310. BIG AL June 22nd, 2011 at 10:03 am

    LGY -

    Why do you hate Alfredo Aceves? The Yankees threw him away, he didn’t leave to go play for the RS.

    You should be hating Cashman for letting him go.

    That’s as stupid as Texas booing A-Rod, when it was the Rangers that traded him.

  311. Rich in NJ June 22nd, 2011 at 10:05 am

    blake

    Wasn’t Ortiz also benched v. LHP?

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