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Jeter continues rehab work in Tampa

Posted by: Chad Jennings - Posted in Misc on Jun 23, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Here’s the latest from The Associated Press down in Tampa, where the Yankees have a long list of players rehabbing. Still no mention of Derek Jeter hitting.

Speaking of Jeter, Brian Cashman shot down the idea of trading for Mets shortstop Jose Reyes. Cashman said the Yankees don’t have a need at shortstop, but he’s still on the lookout for a reliever. He indicated that Jeter would probably play in some minor league games before being activated. That means huge ticket sales for someone.

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter threw for the third straight day Thursday as he rehabs a strained right calf muscle that landed him on the disabled list.

Jeter has been on the DL since July 14, putting his chase for 3,000 hits on hold. He was six shy of reaching the milestone when he was hurt during a game June 13 against Cleveland.

The Yankees’ captain has been working out at the team’s spring training complex. He could increase his on-the-field workout in the next couple days.

Also, right-hander Bartolo Colon and infielder Eric Chavez increased their onfield drills as they rehab injuries.

Colon, sidelined by a strained right hamstring, ran sprints in the outfield for the first time in addition to his third consecutive day of long toss. Chavez, out with a broken left foot, said he was fine after running from home to first around a half-dozen times.

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495 Responses to “Jeter continues rehab work in Tampa”

  1. Bret The Hitman June 23rd, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    He shot down the idea of trading for a 1/2 season of Reyes. No news there.

  2. m June 23rd, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    A LH reliever? Poor Boone. I know he tries, but we really need someone who can get lefties out.

  3. Yank 97 June 23rd, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    “That pitching is paying off major dividends in our bullpen right now. ”

    How? He was referring to the starting pitching depth. Wade and Ayala were not even on the team yet when he made those comments. Aside from Noesi/Pendleton getting a few mop up innings here and there, they have not utilized their young pitching in the pen at all, actually.

  4. Giuseppe Franco June 23rd, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    # m June 23rd, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    GF,

    I don’t know how you read into Bret’s comment like you did.

    By all accounts, Montero really, really wants to be in the majors. He’s right on the cusp, but instead of doing things the right way, which is work hard, hone your craft, and wait for the phone to ring, he went about it the wrong way.

    ———–

    I get that. I’m not doubting Montero has his issues. But, I’m not going to club him over the head all day.

    But Bret loves him some Jose Reyes and wants the Yanks to spend Crawford money on him to be their SS – a guy who we all know has had more than his share of issues over the last few years and I’d be willing to bet we haven’t seen the last of it. Perhaps not this season because he wants to get paid.

    Just pointing out the hypocrisy. Nothing more.

  5. m June 23rd, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    GF,

    Got it. Didn’t realize the back story. ;)

    How’s your health?

  6. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    You guys are talking about Montero like he is not a human being. He is a kid. He is 21 years old.

    The Yankees have spent two years hyping this kid up at every chance they get. Cashman continues to tell every reporter that asks, he thinks Montero is already better than some catchers in the big leagues. They spent all winter talking to kid up about how great he was and how he was going to compete for the starting job and have the “inside track” on winning it. Then they sign Russell Martin who was coming off major surgery and has absolutely sucked for 2 years and promise him the starting gig.

    Now Montero is going to compete for the backup role and he has the “inside track” on that. The Yankees rave about his improved defense to the media for the first few days of ST and multiple Yankee people including Cashman talk about how great it would be for Montero to learn at the major league level like Posada did. Then Montero starts struggling with the bat and the Yankees decide that Gustavo Molina is a better option. Despite them saying all ST and for 2 years they have absolutely no concern about him hitting ML pitching.

    Finally, now the thing is that Cashman wants him to play everyday even though he said in ST he would really benefit from learning at this level.

    During that time, Jesus has seen every single one of his comparable highly touted peers get promoted to the majors. He certainly could have handled the situation better but he is a young kid that the Yankees have spun in every direction possible.

  7. Irreverent Discourse June 23rd, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    LGY – Maybe it backed off some teams that needed catchers from signing guys early… so Martin was still available rather than being signed by Boston or some such team. I don’t know, Cashman just says things sometimes… but trying to evaluate what roster moves the yankees will or will not make by quoting statements from the Yankee’s “professional hype man” is a little nuts.

    He’s been provided with a few oppurtunities to “sieze the day” and can’t convince 3 former major league catchers he’s ready to be the backup over Cervelli. I just can’t justify wasting too much energy thinking they are “so wrong”… because I don’t think I know better than they do.

  8. Irreverent Discourse June 23rd, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Have a media mic in your face 24 hours a day and don’t say anything incorrect or less than factual… I dare you.

  9. BoJo June 23rd, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Repost:

    Attitude problems? One word…

    Waterboarding.

    (We have the tools and technology to make him better.)

  10. BoJo June 23rd, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Chavez’s return will be a huge boost to the club…like getting Berkman last year. Can’t wait!

  11. Giuseppe Franco June 23rd, 2011 at 5:35 pm

    # m June 23rd, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    GF,

    Got it. Didn’t realize the back story. ;)

    How’s your health?

    ————

    My health is fantastic. Thanks for asking. I’m more active now than I’ve been in 20 years.

    My doctors are amazed because I’ve far exceeded the expectations of a full recovery. I’m in far better shape now than I was before I got sick.

    BTW, good to see you back and perusing the blog again. I don’t spend nearly all that much time here anymore. Too much rubbish.

  12. pat June 23rd, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    “Jeter has been on the DL since July 14…..”

    Really?

  13. GreenBeret7 June 23rd, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Another gutless “front office source” of Marchand’s? That’s worth exactly zip until “the source” agrees to put his name on it. Montero caught 4 games in a row and has DH’s in between. He’s played 9 straight days and caught in 7. For somebody “lacking energy”, .he’s hit .303 over that stretch.

  14. Irreverent Discourse June 23rd, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    pat – they are instituting “negative at-bats” to raise his BA before his return from the DL. :)

  15. Giuseppe Franco June 23rd, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    LGY,

    We agree on Montero. I made all the same points you did back in ST when it was clear that Molina was going to get the BUC role when Cervelli went down.

    They obviously changed their mind about taking Montero north, but I don’t think they handled that situation well at all.

  16. pat June 23rd, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    BloggingBombers General manager Brian Cashman said Bartolo Colon is slated to throw a bullpen session tomorrow.

    BloggingBombers As for Derek Jeter, Cashman said the captain still feels the soreness in his calf, so he hasn’t been cleared to do anything but throwing.

  17. m June 23rd, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    You know who else was raw, but somewhat touted by the organization and was passed over when he was seemingly ready? Austin Jackson. He had Reggie Jackson mentoring him. Cashman pulling him into his office. IIRC Cashman told him to keep up the hard work and don’t give up. That his day will come.

    How Jackson’s story ends is irrelevant to Montero or the point I’m trying to make. Which is you gotta keep plugging away because the minor leagues have a way of revealing your true character.

  18. m June 23rd, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    GF,

    Good to hear! You found the fountain of youth? :P

    pat,

    Thanks for that. Seems like Hughes will be back before Colon?

  19. Pat M. June 23rd, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    GB….Pool help looked very spirited today……Derek Jeter will not be a lingerer as I do think he learned something from Bernie Williams….And I can see him wanting to go out like Paul O’Neil…..Later

  20. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    M, I agree with you. I’m not about to reward Montero with a call up when he can’t even put in the effort. He’s being paid a decent chunk of change to play the game he presumably loves – so at least be a professional. He also showed up to camp a couple of ST ago 30 pounds overweight………..I’m sure he’s a good kid, but he also seems immature and the Yankees are trying to teach him to grow up.

    As to Martin, I am beyond thrilled that they signed him. Even though he’s not hit for awhile, he’s done a fantastic job with the staff- he’s a terrific catcher.

  21. Yogi Mantle June 23rd, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    I just don’t put a whole lot into “un-named” sources commentary. This whole thing with Montero, just like the situation going on with Riggleman, could be entirely different than we will learn about.

    On the MLB network radio broadcast they were ripping Riggleman for leaving like he did, going on only his not liking his contract option being decided. For all we know the Nat’s owners could have told him that this was it for him, or he didn’t get along with them and they had a big falling out.

    Too often people see one small piece of information and form a whole tapestry out of it.

    It isn’t a fair way to judge things.

    Montero has been hyped because he has shown he has the skills to hit and hit really well. There have been reports about his improvement with his defensive skills. Yet, an un-named source tells a reporter that he isn’t showing energy, whatever that is supposed to mean, and now the kid is a bust or immature.

    As far as Montero goes, if he is showing that he is bored, it might just be that he is frustrated over seeing others playing that he knows he can match and possibly exceed. The pitching in the minors is way below the level of the major leagues, that means he will be pitched around, and it means his defensive skills are going to help cover up for poorer pitching skills than he will see in the majors. At 21 months are a long time away, a year is forever.

    During ST he was asked continually about his excitement about making the club. Yet we all know that story, he was regulated to the minors, even when Cervelli, who did not impress anyone in ST, was hurt. Instead they had the other Molina up.

    Newsflash for those of you too old to remember, the age of 21 is YOUNG. Very young. Being young and being immature go hand in hand. Heck, there are 30 and 40 year olds that are still immature.

  22. ron June 23rd, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Montero’s early-June benching due to lack of “energy”
    By Mike Axisa

    Jesus Montero’s two game hiatus earlier this month came because the organization felt his play lacked “energy,” says Andrew Marchand. “It is all in becoming a first-rate professional and he is still in the middle of that process,” said Mark Newman, who basically runs the farm system. Triple-A Scranton hitting coach Butch Wynegar added that he thinks Montero “is almost bored here in Triple-A.” My opinion is well known: get the kid the big leagues, like yesterday. Forcing someone to change their behavior almost never works, and there’s a very simple solution here. Just do it.

  23. Giuseppe Franco June 23rd, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    We all had some growing up to do at age 21. Montero is no different.

  24. Nilsson June 23rd, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    This isn’t the first time the organization has tagged Montero with some measure of disciplinary action. Montero was benched in Charleston when he didn’t run out a grounder. And I’m probably missing at least one other instance like that.

    Having said that, I don’t think he’s a bad kid. I think he’ll outgrow this phase. Much like Cano did when he was younger.

  25. Captain Clutch June 23rd, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    I really hope that the reason that Montero is still in the minors is because they don’t think he is ready instead of potential trade bait. If it has nothing to do with a trade then I think in spring training the organization over estimated how ready he was. Coming into spring training they thought he was ready and after watching him they realized that he wasn’t and he needed more time in AAA. I think a lot of the time people forget that he is only 21 years old.

  26. GreenBeret7 June 23rd, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    GB….Pool help looked very spirited today……Derek Jeter will not be a lingerer as I do think he learned something from Bernie Williams….And I can see him wanting to go out like Paul O’Neil…..Later

    ———————————————————————————————————————-

    Pat M.,

    That just mean. bragging about a feast like that to the starving masses.

    Like you, I think that if jeter thinks he will embarrass himself, regardless of what’s left on his contract, hr walks out on it…just like Mike Schmidt did.

  27. ron June 23rd, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Sometimes like with our own kids.

    The hardline stance isn’t always the best.

    You can promote him but tell him he has to put a few good weeks together to save face.

    Also tell him once he gets up,there are no guarantees.

  28. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    GF, that’s fine – I don’t expect him to act like a mature adult – but I’m totally fine with the Yankees trying to get him to grow up. I do not think he’s just entitled to be called up here because he’s a hot prospect. When the Yankees think he’s earned it, he’ll be called up. I don’t think you reward immaturity – especially when it comes to on the field stuff.

  29. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Ron, why promote him? Just to placate impatient fans? Just to make Montero happy?

  30. upstate kate June 23rd, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Does anyone here actually know Montero? Or have AAA connections? People are making a lot of judgements about his character…just sayin

  31. Crawdaddy June 23rd, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    I don’t know if the hardline stance is the best, but I’m too far away from the situation to offer any kind of opinion, thus, I hope the Yankee make the right decision regarding this young man.

  32. Crawdaddy June 23rd, 2011 at 6:02 pm

    Right Kate!

    We just have to hope the Yankees know this young man well enough to make the proper call in regard to their handling of him.

  33. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Kate, who’s making judgments? He sounds like he’s immature – no one is saying he’s a bad kid.

  34. m June 23rd, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    kate,

    By all accounts, he’s a great kid. Polite and respectful. Marchand said the very same thing in his article.

    To me, it sounds like he’s not working as hard as he could. Or at least that’s the impression. In any sport, talent will only take you so far. At some point you have to give that extra effort. Especially if you want to make it to or at the next level.

  35. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Kate-

    Just the usual blog speculation peppered with the usual incomplete info.

    Somebody ought to get in here and arrest all those responsible for practicing Psychology w/o a license.

    :)

  36. Irreverent Discourse June 23rd, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    It’s no great coincidence that most great players that are called up at the 20-22 age range are all talked about as being “mature beyond their years”.

    People always said it about Hughes, he shows up with a dead arm and no one even questions his work ethic. You earn that.

    Montero has not done himself any favors by his own actions and attitude.

  37. Pat M. June 23rd, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Boredom doesn’t get you to the Bigs….Gym time

  38. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Hughes is so mature that he has lied about injuries now two times in his short career.

  39. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    I’m not sure what having a dead arm has to do with work ethic, though. That’s just something that happens to you. Joel Sherman questioned his work ethic……..but of course, that’s Joel Sherman

  40. austinmac June 23rd, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    As a man with a long memory and as a father of two decent young men, I can say maturity and foresightedness are only a dream at 18-21. Don’t allow stupid behavior, but use it to teach the young people appropriate behavior. It happens in every household with young guys.

  41. Yank 97 June 23rd, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    “Hughes is so mature that he has lied about injuries now two times in his short career.”

    And didn’t he come to camp a little heavy up top?

  42. RadioKev June 23rd, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Irreverent Discourse June 23rd, 2011 at 6:07 pm
    It’s no great coincidence that most great players that are called up at the 20-22 age range are all talked about as being “mature beyond their years”.
    ——–

    Sure, and sure he hasn’t done himself any favors, but it is fair to see that he’s still young and has a lot to learn. I think the call up will help him mature more, being around players like Jeter, A-Rod, and Cano will show him the attitude and work ethic it takes to be a superstar.

    Look no further than Cano himself, he made huge strides forward after spending more time with A-Rod.

  43. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Yes, Phil came to camp overweight this year…….and he looked it. If you saw the first pic from ST, it was obvious……..It’s not that hard to come into camp in shape. I was rather annoyed when Damon and Abreu couldn’t be bothered one year.

  44. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    It’s no great coincidence that most great players that are called up at the 20-22 age range are all talked about as being “mature beyond their years”.

    ——-

    Are you sure about this?

  45. RadioKev June 23rd, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 6:10 pm
    Hughes is so mature that he has lied about injuries now two times in his short career.
    ———

    Hughes lied and said that his shoulder wasn’t inflammed? I didn’t hear about that.

  46. Yogi Mantle June 23rd, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Seems to me that a certain recently departed former Boston player was still incredibly immature and he had a good career till he got caught with his hand in the PED cookie jar.

    Maturity isn’t exactly Swisher’s strong suit either.

    It has been talked to death about the role of a manager was to deal with the 25 different personalities on a club, handling each and every one of them in a different manner in order to get the most out of them.

    I know plenty of people who didn’t do as well as they should have till they were challenged and put in a higher position.

    It isn’t about “rewarding” someone for being a slacker as it about putting them in the best position for their development and meeting their potential. Cookie cutter management doesn’t work.

    Look how often we’ve seen players improve by a move to a different club.

  47. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Banuelos on the hill for Trenton.

    Will he rebound from his last outing ?

  48. Captain Clutch June 23rd, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    I would love to see Montero at YS taking batting practice with Arod. Also I am sure a hitting coach like Long can be a big help to him. It would make sense to call him and let him play and if he struggles at least then he knows what he has to work on in AAA. It would really open his eyes to the fact that he isn’t quite as ready as he thought if he struggled and had to go back down.

  49. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Kev, he said he didn’t have any pain at all……………kept saying it. Then eventually he admitted that he did.

  50. Irreverent Discourse June 23rd, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    When has Hughes lied about being injured?

  51. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    thinking the Marlins are a good trading partner for the Yankees

  52. Irreverent Discourse June 23rd, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    There is a difference between deceitfully lying about pain and not knowing something is more serious. Joba also claims to not have felt any serious pain. All athletes are dealing with some level of pain and soreness all the time.

  53. m June 23rd, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    I agree, nothing will snap a kid’s head straight faster than time spent with the Yankees club. Especially with Posada still in the fold. Who knows, maybe Jorgie is back as a handler next season? :P

  54. Bronx Jeers June 23rd, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Manny didn’t slack when it came to cage work.

  55. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    BTW…they are looking for a young catcher

  56. upstate kate June 23rd, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    nicely put Yogi Mantle

    and austinmac, I know what you are talking about, having a 20 year old myself

  57. m June 23rd, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    The one time I know of is when Hughes was pitching with a broken rib. I think he lied by omission when he didn’t mention he was having pain. I seriously doubt he knew he was pitching with a broken rib all that time.

  58. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    nicely put Yogi Mantle

    ——-

    +1

  59. Abomb82 June 23rd, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    There is also something to be said about leadership and having people to guide him. Who does that in Scranton? Kevin Russo?

    Being surrounded by guys like A-Rod, Jeter, Posada, Tex, CC, Rivera, Garcia (his idol from VZ), etc. Plus guys like Girardi/Pena who were successful catchers… a lot different from Scranton. Think he will think twice about not running out a groundball up here?

    A new challenge will be good for him. Not to reward him, but to push him. See if being surrounded by great players will wake him up.

  60. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Joeman-

    I’ll play.

    Who are your targets ?

  61. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    # MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Joeman-

    I’ll play.

    Who are your targets ?
    —————————————
    pitching …..

  62. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Joeman-

    Go on.

    Be more specific.

    Who, and who are giving back ?

  63. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    would really like to have a 1A SP on this team

  64. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    edit: are you. sorry.

  65. m June 23rd, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-yo.....tures-game

    Marchand really stoking the fire.

  66. Abomb82 June 23rd, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    “would really like to have a 1A SP on this team”

    Not holding my breath, but hopefully Hughes can be that guy when he comes back. He was projected to do so going into the year and should be building off his 18 win season.

  67. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Joeman-

    Are you thinking JJ is available ?

    Doubt it.

    Anibal Sanchez was mentioned earlier in the day. I prefer Liraino because he is left-handed.

  68. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    man I’m dyslexic today. Liriano. apologies.

  69. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    joeman is thinking Anibal like I am ;)

  70. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    It’s just pure speculation………….that kind of stuff from Marchand is meaningless.

  71. Yogi Mantle June 23rd, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    # m June 23rd, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    kate,

    By all accounts, he’s a great kid. Polite and respectful. Marchand said the very same thing in his article.

    To me, it sounds like he’s not working as hard as he could. Or at least that’s the impression. In any sport, talent will only take you so far. At some point you have to give that extra effort. Especially if you want to make it to or at the next level.
    ______________

    Some people need to be around the right influence to develop the work ethic as well. Alex could be just the kind of influence that would be of help to a kid like Montero. He has taken a number of players under his wing, so to speak, such as Melky and Cano. In the minors, Montero might be about the best player in that level, so it might not feel as if there is any need to put in the additional work.

    People learn quite a bit through example. Being with big league players who are among the top of the game, and who also put in a huge amount of effort everyday to keep themselves there could be a huge positive influence.

    I know my son cruised through High School with little to no effort. In college he blossomed because he was challenged while doing what he was interested in. In High School he was bored to tears and while he was a good student, he wasn’t top of his class by any stretch. In college he graduated top of his class.

    Not everyone will put in the full effort at the lower levels. There are many who don’t have to, and won’t bother to push to excel because they don’t have to to do well enough at that level.

  72. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    LGY-

    Anibal has a pretty bad injury history.

    Why not go for Liriano instead. He the lefty and is probably more available. The injury histories are similar.

    Have you heard anything that indicates Sanchez might be available ?

  73. GreenBeret7 June 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    by some of your ideas of what’s lying about injuries, Mantle lied for the last 17 years of his career. The only time he admitted to hurting was after surgery.

  74. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    If there is one thing my job has taught me it is that 18-22 year olds tend to be a litte unreliable and inconsistent. Even the best students can be a litte erratic. The trick is to never give up on them. Give them encouragement and support. A little positive reinforcement can be more effective than punishment.

  75. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Ledger_Yankees Prospect Austin Romine has been cleared to play (concussion) but he’s going through what Cash called “mini rehab” to get in catching shape.

  76. m June 23rd, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Yogi,

    You make some very valid points.

    But if you’re the understudy, it’s in your best interest to appear engaged and interested. Otherwise, they’ll pick someone who is when it’s time.

  77. ron June 23rd, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Betsy:

    I just wan’t him promoted because i can’t stand looking at a .175 hitter with a .500 ops as a backup catcher & i believe at the very minimum,montero will do better.

    Also by wynegar saying montero is bored tells me he is ready,or close to it.

    Also,cashman said montero can catch on a lot of clubs & i never really heard cashman say montero is not ready,just that they rather him play every day.

  78. Captain Clutch June 23rd, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    I think if Montero isn’t brought up to the majors this year it’s clear that Cashman sees him as trade bait and is just waiting for a very good player to become available.

  79. m June 23rd, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Hamilton has a tough time hitting in the day because his eyes are…blue?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/dall.....id=6696741

  80. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    joeman is thinking Anibal like I am
    —————————————–
    lets do it

  81. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    MTU

    Anibal is 1.5 years from FA. The Marlins have already locked up JJ and Nolasco. Are they going to lock up a 3rd pitcher? I don’t think so and they will get the most value if you trade him now.

    You know I’m a Liriano fan, but I feel he is riskier. He has been on the DL already this year and just hasn’t pitched that well.

    I like Liriano but prefer Anibal. Also I like Anibal’s cojones. He asked for the ball to matchup with Halladay when they played the Phillies.

  82. Yogi Mantle June 23rd, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    m, the trouble is, when you are a kid with Montero’s talent, you don’t always see and do things that are in your best interest.

    Too many kids today are brought up with instant gratification. It has become more of the norm, than the exception.

    I’m not saying that Montero should keep dogging it, but it may just be that he is bored and without the proper influences – which may not be there for him – he won’t get the message that he is supposed to be getting.

    One of the best things that could happen, besides being called up to the big house, would be another super talented prospect that has the desired traits – work ethic, maturity, energy level, to push Montero.

  83. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    LGY-

    As I told ID earlier, I’ll respect your opinion on Sanchez but I take the lefty.

    That’s the tipover for me.

    I want another lefty for the rotation.

  84. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Ron Artest has filed a petition to legally change his name to World Peace. Requests for a name change are typically granted in most cases. Artest would put his new last name on the back of his jersey.

  85. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    http://basketball.realgm.com/w.....orld_Peace

  86. Irreverent Discourse June 23rd, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    I think the maturity thing is bupkiss.

    I think them holding him down for trade value is bupkiss.

    There’s one thing I’ve kept in the back of my head since spring training… that to properly further (and sustain) his development as a catcher the Yankees need Montero to catch roughly 100-120 games this season.

    A huge aspect of player development is getting them ready for the grind of a 162+ game season.

    He has only caught 47 games to this point. If he was called up now he would have to catch 3/5 of the Yankees’ games left just to reach 100. There is just no way they are sitting Martin that much.

    Closer to the end of the season, when that number becomes closer to 2/5 or 1/5, you may see the move made… as a player like Cervelli is obviously expendable.

    In the meantime, the offense is not struggling to any great degree, and Cervelli isn’t going to lose the division. It’s time to just calm down.

  87. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    According to RAB, Montero couldn’t go to the Future’s game because a player can only twice. Which Montero has.

  88. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    I would want the better SP ( no matter R OR L)and I believe Sanchez is the better of the two

  89. blake June 23rd, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Is there a stuck in AAA game Montero can play in?

  90. Yogi Mantle June 23rd, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    # Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    According to RAB, Montero couldn’t go to the Future’s game because a player can only twice. Which Montero has.
    —————-

    I knew there was some stipulation, but uncertain about how many. I knew Montero had been there already. Marchand has shown that he likes to stir things up at times. Maybe HE is bored? lol.

  91. Yogi Mantle June 23rd, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    LGY, at least it isn’t a symbol like Prince went to. Still, talking about maturity…

  92. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    They need to call up Montero if only to save Martin’s career as a starting catcher. (I’m sort of joking, but only barely.)

  93. AldotheApache June 23rd, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    LGY says:
    June 23, 2011 at 6:38 pm
    Ron Artest has filed a petition to legally change his name to World Peace. Requests for a name change are typically granted in most cases. Artest would put his new last name on the back of his jersey.

    ——–

    That must be what he was working for that night in Detroit.

  94. Bronx Jeers June 23rd, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Hamilton has a tough time hitting in the day because his eyes are…blue?

    ——————————————-

    I smell a “Jimmy the Greek” comment somewhere.

  95. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    That is soooo unoriginal. Lloyd Free changed his name to World. B. Free way back in the last century.

  96. Brian June 23rd, 2011 at 6:59 pm

    Ron Artest has filed a petition to legally change his name to World Peace. Requests for a name change are typically granted in most cases. Artest would put his new last name on the back of his jersey.

    —————

    The second coming of World B Free.

  97. upstate kate June 23rd, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    as silly as Hamilton’s comment may seem, I have a blue-eyed husband who would totally agree w/ him…he is really bothered by sunlight

  98. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    Banuelos thru 3.

    No hits, 5K’s.

    Looking good so far.

    :)

  99. mick June 23rd, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    World could shoot.

  100. mick June 23rd, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Banuelos thru 3.

    No hits, 5K’s.

    Looking good so far.
    ================
    Bring him up, he must be ready.

  101. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Banuelos could relieve at a high level right now, but that issue can be looked at for late Sept and the playoffs.

  102. Bronx Jeers June 23rd, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Me & Lou Gehrig have two things in common. We both have blue eyes and played mostly day games.

    The sun must be brighter now.

  103. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    The Cubs nees less blue eyed players.

  104. Bronx Jeers June 23rd, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Minaya knew what he was doing.

  105. Yogi Mantle June 23rd, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    # upstate kate June 23rd, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    as silly as Hamilton’s comment may seem, I have a blue-eyed husband who would totally agree w/ him…he is really bothered by sunlight
    ————

    I have blue eyes, as does my wife, and while the sun doesn’t bother me at all, she always needs sunglasses. Iris color has no bearing on the photo-sensitivity of eyes. All my kids have blue eyes and they aren’t bothered by the sun light.

    It’s not like the iris is a color filter over the pupil of the eyes.

    I think he might be more sensitive to the light of the sun, but that really shouldn’t have a thing to do with his eye color.

  106. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 7:11 pm

    I always liked women with dark hair and blue eyes, but my current g/f doesn’t have that combo, so don’t tell anyone.

  107. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Red-haired, green eyed women alway get my, er, Irish up…

  108. upstate kate June 23rd, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    YM
    I have always scoffed at the eye color thing myself. Our son is blue eyed and he lifeguards during the summer. The sun doesn’t appear to bother him…of course we haven’t seen much of it lately :)

  109. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    I was a lifeguard at a country club pool one summer….great job!

  110. Bronx Jeers June 23rd, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    You Jersey guys long for the fine Irish lasses…New Yorkers like the mamacitas.

  111. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    I like good looking. Type is secondary.

  112. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 7:26 pm

    I spent a summer caddying at a CC.

    Caddyshack is full of lies.

  113. ron June 23rd, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Go ban.

  114. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Banuelos- no hits thru 4

  115. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Rich, how can you know that?

  116. Bronx Jeers June 23rd, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    I think we tried to re-create Animal House in college but found that girls generally don’t find that behavior attractive. :wink:

  117. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Know what?

  118. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 7:33 pm

    I mean, I get that you love Banuelos, but to say that he can surely pitch at a high level as a reliever in the big leagues – how can you know that for sure? I get that he’s very talented, but the majors are a whole different ballgame than AAA. It’s one thing to say he can pitch out of the pen in the big leagues right now, but at a high level? High enough to be a key cog in a pennant drive as you are implying?

  119. ron June 23rd, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    Betsy:

    Ban is that good.

    Next year he will be in our rotation.

  120. AldotheApache June 23rd, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Bronx Jeers says:
    June 23, 2011 at 7:10 pm
    Minaya knew what he was doing.

    ———–

    What … He’s making the Wilpons pay him in cash?

  121. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 7:37 pm

    Oh, because most relievers aren’t particularly talented. That’s why you see so much variability in performances from year to year, and why most bona fide starters make good relievers. So when you have a pitcher with Banuelos’ stuff, and he’s already doing well at AA, it’s not that much of a projection. I’m not saying he could close now, nor should he ever, but I think it’s likely that he could do quite well in the 7th inning.

  122. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    Ron, sorry – I don’t buy it. He still has to do it up here – I’m not going to say that he’s ready to pitch at a high level up here until he shows it when and if he’s brought up.

  123. G-C June 23rd, 2011 at 7:38 pm

    “High enough to be a key cog in a pennant drive as you are implying?”

    __________________________________________________

    For sure. Dellin could too.

    As of now though, I don’t think there’s a need to push him like that.

    Robertson is awesome and Soriano should be back eventually.

  124. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    First hit of the night off Manny was homer.

    A solo shot.

    :(

  125. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Lifeguard is a great job.

  126. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    Rich, maybe – I don’t doubt his talent, but it’s not in me to just set these expectations for a kid who hasn’t even thrown a pitch in the majors. I’m not comparing them as talents mind you, but I remember all the “Mark Melancon is a stud – and he’ll be the EIG for sure” talk – all this before he’d even thrown a pitch up here. I thought those expectations were ridiculous. Of course Banuelos is on another level as a talent, but he’s still a kid. Hopefully he’ll have a good 2nd half of the year – then we’ll see what the Yanks do with him.

  127. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    G-C, I guess we’ll just have to disagree. It’s one thing to say he can pitch, but to say he can pitch at a high level? I won’t say that about either one of these – it’s not like they are having awesome years at their levels. Even if they were, I still would never presume that kind of success.

  128. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Mark Melancon is doing well for the Astros.

    He wasn’t given a shot here…

  129. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    And Berkman has found the fountain of youth, or a really good doctor (I kid). But I hated that trade at the time it was made.

  130. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 7:47 pm

    I don’t think Melancon would have done that well here, but my point was that it was ridiculous IMO for so many fans to assume that a kid with zero MLB experience was going to be the EIG for this team.

  131. Bronx Jeers June 23rd, 2011 at 7:48 pm

    Youk thought highly of Manny.

    Sometimes I swear that all talent rises like cream to the top and sometimes I think it’s a matter of just getting your shot and then rising to the occasion.

    Yeah the Yanks don’t always show patience with their young players but It’s hard to argue with the results they achieve doing it their way.

  132. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Life on the line, give me Melancon over every healthy reliever on the staff except Mo, Robertson, and maybe Noesi.

  133. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Jeers-

    Manny owned Youk.

    Struck him out swingning with a CU away in ST.

    :)

  134. ron June 23rd, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Kennedy,melancon are both doing great.

    Betsy:

    I Have the ultimate confidence that banuelos & betances will be good ml pitchers & as soon as next year in our rotation,as long as they get their innings in this year.

    Banuelos has an insane changeup that would make johan santanna proud.

  135. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    Ron-

    Everything Manny throws is insane.

    ;)

  136. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Ron, did I say that they wouldn’t? No, I didn’t.

    We’ll see about next year. After what we’ve seen the last few years, I’m not about to go gaga about our prospects – I won’t be negative, mind you, but it’s all a wait and see game. The Yanks seem to do better with lesser known prospects (Andy, Wang, not IPK – granted, not with the team) and, overall, they’ve had very little luck with their young pitching.

  137. pat June 23rd, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Kevin_Goldstein #Yankees move catcher/third baseman J.R. Murphy up to High-A.

  138. BIG AL June 23rd, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    I think you’ll see Cashman trade Montero for Wandy Rodriquez, unless he finds a better SP.

    Montero may be held in AAA so he can’t fail at the ML level, which could lower his trade value.

    I don’t expect to see Montero in pinstripes, sad as that may be.

    The Yankees simply do not handle their top prospects as well as other teams. It appears Cashman would rather keep picking up spare parts than trust his prospects to perform at the ML level, JMO.

  139. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Whitey had a nice run….it took them so long to find him they just should have let him live it out

  140. Bronx Jeers June 23rd, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Struck him out swingning with a CU away in ST.

    ———————————————————

    That was a great performance. A “look at the future and weep” message to the Sox.

    Then again I thought Joba was going to be tormenting them for a good decade.

  141. ron June 23rd, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    I saw manny in st & he reminded me of johan,almost exactly.

    His changeup was moving all over the place & throwing that after a 96 mph fb is unfair.

    All at 20 yrs old.

  142. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Al-

    I hope you are dead wrong about that.

    Wandy is certainly not worth Jesus.

    Not even close.

    So far he has only been offered for Halladay and Lee.

  143. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    Big Al would you trade him for Anibal Sanchez…who I think is a top 10 SP

  144. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Cashman is not that stupid, because that would be monstrously stupid.

  145. AldotheApache June 23rd, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    BIG AL says:
    June 23, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    The Yankees simply do not handle their top prospects as well as other teams. It appears Cashman would rather keep picking up spare parts than trust his prospects to perform at the ML level, JMO.

    ————

    I think you have valid reasons for believing this, I just hope it’s not true.

  146. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    # Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    Cashman is not that stupid, because that would be monstrously stupid.
    —————————
    that for me

  147. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 8:00 pm

    Jeers-

    As impressive as “El prodigio’s” stuff is what is most impressive about him is that he is already a “pitcher” and not simply a “thrower”.

    Throws any pitch in any count and has tremendous mound presence
    and grit for a youngster.

    For me that is what really separates him from the field.

  148. West Coast Yankee Fan June 23rd, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 7:55 pm
    Whitey had a nice run….it took them so long to find him they just should have let him live it out

    **************

    Why. He tortured and killed people.

  149. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    I saw a Mobsters episode on the Biography channel recently (they’re really interesting, lol) and the guy is viscious – I’m glad they caught him.

  150. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan June 23rd, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 7:55 pm
    Whitey had a nice run….it took them so long to find him they just should have let him live it out

    **************

    Why. He tortured and killed people.
    —————————————————————–
    playing the game

  151. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    excuse me, vicious

  152. ron June 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Betsy:

    Did i say that you said they wouldn’t???no.

    You keep touting you’r right to have the opinions that you have & i have the same right.

    Imo they both are going to be good.

    I don’t have that same feeling about hughes because i just don’t think he can be a real good pitcher without an effective offspeed pitch,mainly a changeup,in addition to getting his curveball back.

    He just has not done what it takes to get it done.

  153. BIG AL June 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    joeman -

    Simply – Yes.

    Rich in NJ -

    If Cashman thought that highly of Montero NOE, he’d be in PS. His C/S % is only 17%, while Molina’s is 43%. No, Molina is never going to be a ML hitter, but his defense is far superior to Montero’s, as of now.

    Yes, Montero is very young, but, I have a strong feeling the Yankees FO has soured on him to some degree. When Posada was tanking, and Cervelli could not throw out a whale running to 2B, Montero stayed in SWB, why?

    MTU -

    I hope I’m wrong as well, but, I’ll not be surprised if it does happen.

  154. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    banuelos final line for tonight.

    5 3 2 2 1 6

    I’ll be happier when he goes deeper into games.

    Good bounceback against the team that kicked his butt last time out.

    One of the runs was a solo shot.

  155. West Coast Yankee Fan June 23rd, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    He was living on 3rd Street in Santa Monica, three blocks from the beach. They found a ton of cash in his apartment; he was living the good life.

  156. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    I doubt he’s going to talk – there’s nothing a mobster hates worse than rats. Of course some of them talk, but I can’t see this guy blabbing.

  157. BIG AL June 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    NOW > not NOE

  158. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan June 23rd, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    He was living on 3rd Street in Santa Monica, three blocks from the beach. They found a ton of cash in his apartment; he was living the good life.
    ——————————————————————————-
    and to think nobody knew who he was, I don’t believe it

  159. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 pm

    Al-

    I could live with them moving Montero for a preium pitcher but never
    for a guy like Wandy Rodriguez.

    IMO that would be a travesty.

  160. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    all the movies made about all different subjects Hollywood can never go wrong with a Mob movie….the new Gotti one they are going to make is going to be a good one

  161. ron June 23rd, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    You can’t trade montero for wandy.

    He has given up more hits than innings pitched,1.31 whip & the league is batting .265 against him,in the nl.

    Not terrible but not worth montero.

  162. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    sp: premium. sorry.

  163. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 8:12 pm

    I’ve never seen a Mob movie – can’t handle the blood – but I love watching Mob documentaries. I guess because the clips are in black and white, it doesn’t bother me.

    My father’s friend’s uncle was a big deal in Murder Incorporated……..

  164. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 8:14 pm

    Betsy-

    They were a regular feature of the neighborhood where my Mother grew up – Hell’s Kitchen.

    I heard lot’s of stories from her.

    ;)

  165. BIG AL June 23rd, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Mike -

    It all depends on how badly they need a SP, if the guys on the DL come back soon, and perform as they did prior to injury.

    I have strong doubts about Hughes. Here’s a guy, young and talented, that didn’t care enough about his career, or his team, that he came into ST way out of shape. I don’t appreciate that aspect of his lack of proper off season training.

  166. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    Gotti: Three Generations ….in the works ..Travolta,Pacino,Kelly Preston,Lindsay Lohan, all the need is Pesci…DeNiro and Gandolfino..

  167. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    MTU, really? I find myself repulsed and fascinated by stories of the mob

    My dad’s best friend’s first wife (who died some years ago, unfortunately), her father was a vicious mobster in NJ – I forget what family. She spent her life being ashamed of him………….

  168. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Al-

    The only way I can even begin to see them doing that is if the Yankee’s “real” evaluation of Montero is way different than all of the hype surrounding him.

    Hughes did extremely well when he went to API. that is why i always mention it in regards to his offseason training.

    I have no doubts about Hughes myself. I can’t wait to see what he can deliver (no pun) in the 2nd half.

    I expect him to be a weapon if he stays healthy after he shakes the rust off.

  169. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Big Al

    They have a catcher that hasn’t hit since April. They have DH that might not be able to hit, or at least hit RHP, very well. They have a SS that hasn’t hit RHP very well in a year and a half. They have a RF who has trouble hitting RHP. They have a 3B, who is still very good, but is now in his mid-30s, and may not be what he once was.

    How anyone thinks that they can trade their only impact high level mL bat for pitching is beyond me.

    Now, if you want to trade him for a young offensive bat, that might make sense.

  170. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Make that LHP for Posada…

  171. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    Betsy-

    God’s honest.

    Lot’s of stories about running numbers and such.

    It was commonplace in that tough neighborhood.

  172. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    # Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    MTU, really? I find myself repulsed and fascinated by stories of the mob

    My dad’s best friend’s first wife (who died some years ago, unfortunately), her father was a vicious mobster in NJ – I forget what family. She spent her life being ashamed of him………….

    Decavalcante family ?

  173. Bronx Jeers June 23rd, 2011 at 8:22 pm

    If Whitey helped Scorsese finally get his Oscar then at the very least they should give him the Paul Sorvino room in the can.

    “Hey how many onions you put in the sauce?” :smile:

  174. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    “Make a wish… it’ll be your last”

  175. blake June 23rd, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    If they trade Montero for Wandy Rodriguez…..Ill turn in my pretend GM card and be anti-Cashman forever..

  176. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Noooooooo.

    Kemba off the board :(

  177. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    MTU, my dad grew up on Brooklyn – Brownsville. I don’t think he knew anyone, but Brownsville was the stomping ground of a lot of mobsters. My dad’s friends’ uncle was Abe Reles – otherwise known as Kid Twist – otherwise known as “the canary who could sing but couldn’t fly”. He was blabbing about his associates and was being kept (guarded by police) in a hotel room. Well he ended up splat on the ground – it’s still listed as a suicide, but undoubtedly the cops were paid off to do the job.

    Joeman, I don’t think so – he was in NJ, but I’m sure hen was a member of one of the NY families.

  178. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.”

  179. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    No way Kemba was falling to 17.

  180. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    When you pick #17, you have to get VERY lucky – and you have to do a lot of hoping and wishing and praying.

  181. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Betsy-

    I always knew you were dangerous.

    :)

  182. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Just no Jimmer. It’s like giving heroin to an addict.

  183. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    A lot of rumors today that Kemba was going to fall, so I had a small bit of hope it would happen.

  184. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Blake-

    You and me both !

    ;)

  185. BIG AL June 23rd, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Mike -

    I’ve met and spoken with Phil on several occasions while he was at SWB. He struck me as mature beyond his years, a guy who knew where he was going, and how, and what it took to get there. I think the success he had last year may have let him slack off this past off season. Could I be wrong, yes, but the way he showed up at ST makes me think I’m correct. JMO.

    I would love to see Phil come back and be the pitcher he was the first half of last season. Although Betsy and I don’t always agree on matters, I do agree with her Phil needs to get back that 12-6 curve he had, no one could hit it. He used that as an out pitch on a regular basis in AAA, then forgot all about it, and fell in love with his FB.

  186. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    MTU, and I say this only half-kiddingly, you should have known me way back when, lol.

  187. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    I never believed those rumors, LGY. You hear stuff like that in every sport for every draft. Almost never happens.

  188. West Coast Yankee Fan June 23rd, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    The mob have collectively been miserable scum throughout the years. But they sure provided riveting subject matter for some great movies:

    The Godfather I & II
    Goodfellas
    A Bronx Tale
    Donnie Brasco
    The Departed
    Gomorra
    City of God
    Mean Streets
    Scarface
    Casino

  189. blake June 23rd, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    The Knicks need Jimmer…….they have plenty of defense and rebounding..

  190. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    The Knicks need Jimmer…….they have plenty of defense and rebounding..

    —————-

    :lol:

  191. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    That’s cruel, blake.

  192. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Betsy…never saw a mob movie…I don’t believe it….I can’t get enough of them

  193. J. Alfred Prufrock June 23rd, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    It isn’t about “rewarding” someone for being a slacker as it about putting them in the best position for their development and meeting their potential. Cookie cutter management doesn’t work.
    ///

    Bravo, Yogi. Reading through some of these comments, you’d think this kid was in the military. He ain’t.

  194. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    Yay, Jimmer is gone!!

  195. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    Al, I wish he could find that curve again. I’m biased towards it because I just love a good curve, but he really needs that otherwise he’s in danger of becoming a younger AJ. I don’t know why he lost it – he’s admitted that it’s been a hot and cold pitch for him. He can’t seem to find a grip that he likes …….I don’t think the tinkering helps. I think he’s a kid that gets obsessed with his new toys, like lots of kids – and the cutter was that. There’s nothing wrong with throwing it, but he shouldn’t throw it as often as he does. Variety is the spice of life.

    I’m taking a wait and see approach with Phil, but it’s exciting tracking his rehab starts and I can’t wait to see him back with the team.

  196. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Joeman, never have. Too bloody – I can’t stand blood; it makes me sick to my stomach.

    I have a bad feeling the Knicks aren’t going to get anyone very good

  197. J. Alfred Prufrock June 23rd, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    You can’t trade montero for wandy.
    ///

    Gotta say. That happens, I’m done.

    But there’s no way we would EVER do that.

  198. BIG AL June 23rd, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Rich in NJ -

    I’m not saying I’m in favor of trading Montero for any player, I’d love nothing more than to see him in PS killing the ball.

    I simply voiced my opinion as to what I think might happen, although I hope it doesn’t.

  199. ron June 23rd, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    I see the yankees going after cj wilson in the offseason.

    What about jurrjens???
    Cain?
    Gio?

  200. blake June 23rd, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    “Yay, Jimmer is gone!!”

    D’antoni sobs……there was a guy he wouldn’t have even had to tell to not play defense.

  201. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    The Departed.was my favorite

  202. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski

    The Sacramento coaching staff isn’t happy with the selection of Fredette, sources say. They wanted a veteran guard, ala Felton or Parker.

  203. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 8:34 pm

    Al-

    That’s very interesting and good info.

    One of the things I hope Phil does is to simplify things again.

    To me, that means getting back to basics. His FB and original curve (if he can rediscover it), and continued work on the CU.

    I’m hoping he uses the cutter way less. I think that might have been part of what got him in trouble.

    Hughes is a very bright kid and I think he has been experimenting with different stuff. that’s part of the developmental process in my mind.

    I think we’re gonna see the 1st half of last year Hughes again in the 2nd half.

    That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    :)

  204. West Coast Yankee Fan June 23rd, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    6 out of the first 8 picks are international players.

  205. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    In his last start, supposedly his curve was very good …….I was spoiled by Doc Gooden’s curve. What a pitch.

  206. BIG AL June 23rd, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Betsy -

    IMO, Phil got to loving his FB while in the BP, and thought that’s all he needed to win. ML players will hurt you, if all you throw is a FB, unless you’re Nolan Ryan, which Phil is not. In SWB he threw that 12-6 curve on a regular basis, and it was fun to watch. He helped IPK develop his breaking pitches. Who knows what happened, perhaps our new PC can turn him around.

  207. J. Alfred Prufrock June 23rd, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    DJ’s gonna come back better than evah. Nice long rest for that calf and hip, wrist and whatever else he has chronically troubling him.

    Older players need these mini vacations. Add in that ASB, & DJ will be cruising into the stretch run and postseason.

  208. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    I think the issue with Phil may have been over reliance on the cutter not the four-seamer.

  209. Bronx Jeers June 23rd, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    The Departed.was my favorite

    ———————————

    Really? I don’t even think it makes my top 5 Scorsese films.

  210. BIG AL June 23rd, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Mike -

    I’ll frame that statement that you’re sticking to, and hope to raise a glass to it by seasons end. Me, I want everyone on the team to do well, period.

  211. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    I liked “Goodfellas”

  212. yankeefeminista June 23rd, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    Hughes was throwing the tighter curve against SI. It was the CB that got all the swings and misses and 4 of his 7 K’s. My guess is Hughes sticks to a power curve vs. the AAA 12-6 curveball.

  213. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    at 17 would they like Chris Singleton

  214. Yogi Mantle June 23rd, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    I just read about the most effective pitches for getting outs, I just don’t recall where I read it. The summary was that the Curve Ball was one of the most ineffective pitches for getting outs, the Change Up and the Cutter were far more effective at producing outs, be it on the ground or swinging strike outs.

    The difference was pretty stark. The Change Up, of course this was rating pitchers who are really good, was in the 90% effective range, the Cutter was in the 80% range, the Curve was in the 20% range.

  215. West Coast Yankee Fan June 23rd, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    “Anything I wanted was a phone call away. Free cars. The keys to a dozen hideout flats all over the city. I bet twenty, thirty grand over a weekend and then I’d either blow the winnings in a week or go to the sharks to pay back the bookies.

    Didn’t matter. It didn’t mean anything. When I was broke, I’d go out and rob some more. We ran everything. We paid off cops. We paid off lawyers. We paid off judges. Everybody had their hands out. Everything was for the taking. And now it’s all over.

    And that’s the hardest part. Today everything is different; there’s no action… have to wait around like everyone else. Can’t even get decent food – right after I got here, I ordered some spaghetti with marinara sauce, and I got egg noodles and ketchup. I’m an average nobody… get to live the rest of my life like a schnook.”

    – Henry Hill

  216. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Rich-

    I agree.

    Sometimes guys get too clever by half.

    Also, I’ve heard it said that working one type of “grip” can sometimes cause a pitcher to loose feel for another type of pitch.

    Hughes has a great FB with late life and he has excellent command of it. that’s his bread and butter.

    If he can rediscover that really good curve he had in the minors, and continue to mix in the ocassional CU he should be ready for battle.

    That’s what I hope happens. Of course you know me by now, I’m the external optimist.

  217. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    # Bronx Jeers June 23rd, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    The Departed.was my favorite

    ———————————

    Really? I don’t even think it makes my top 5 Scorsese films.
    ——————————————————————-
    I like all at that time the young guns along with my favorite actor,, Jack

  218. BIG AL June 23rd, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    Well now that we got all that settled, I’ll bid you a good night. Later y’all.

  219. MTU June 23rd, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    I’m outta here too Al.

    Have a good evening.

  220. Bronx Jeers June 23rd, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Anybody read the SI article on the cutter?

    Cashman should be going after Mike Adams who apparently has the most lethal cutter going right now.

  221. blake June 23rd, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Hughes needs to be 4 seam, power curve, change, cutter……in that order of frequency.

  222. J. Alfred Prufrock June 23rd, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    yankeefeminista June 23rd, 2011 at 8:41 pm
    Hughes was throwing the tighter curve against SI. It was the CB that got all the swings and misses and 4 of his 7 K’s. My guess is Hughes sticks to a power curve vs. the AAA 12-6 curveball.
    ////

    Agree YF. That pitch in Brooklyn was like the power curve he used to throw to great effect. That was exciting to see.

  223. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Hughes had a real nasty slider out of HS, didn’t he?

  224. ron June 23rd, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    BIG AL:

    I think you said it perfectly.

    He thought the fb was all he needed.

    The question is,where does he go from here & does he realize he needs more than the fb?

    I heard hughes in an interview last year & he said his fb & cutter were not working & he had nothing else to go to & no confidence in throwing any offspeed pitches.

  225. Bronx Jeers June 23rd, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    “No tickee, No laundry!! ”

    Yeah Jack was great in that. He probably should have played more bad guys in his career.

  226. Jackson June 23rd, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    I’d take Marshon Brooks for the Knicks even though they don’t need a scorer.

  227. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Mob Street…not yet released

    “Wall Street Mafia” is based on the true story of the FBI’s investigation into the mafia’s involvement in Wall Street. Also to their involvement in the world of finance during the mid-1990′s that ultimately led to the arrest of several hundred individuals and the shuttering of more than two-dozen brokerage firms. Against this backdrop, the film tells the story of Bobby Bataglia, a young executive who left the streets of Brooklyn for a college education and a career on Wall Street. After accepting a partnership at a supposedly reputable brokerage house, Batalgia finds out the firm is in business with the Mob. Unable to leave because of threats on his life, Batalglia finds himself caught between the Mob and the FBI’s aggressive tactics to get him to talk. The story continues to unfold as Bataglia tries to escape the life he so desperately wanted to avoid as a kid on the streets of Brooklyn.

  228. West Coast Yankee Fan June 23rd, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    joeman – stars Lindsay Lohan.

  229. Bronx Jeers June 23rd, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Real bummer about Sam.

    Tonight would have been a good night to talk about cheese fries or something.

  230. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    # West Coast Yankee Fan June 23rd, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    joeman – stars Lindsay Lohan.
    ——————————————-
    LOL!!!!!

  231. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Chris Singleton

  232. yankeefeminista June 23rd, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    tom Yes, but Yanks took Hughes’ slider away from him. They generally prefer the CB. However, Hughes still occasionally throws a slider.

  233. joeman June 23rd, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Tobias Harris

  234. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Take Singleton!!!

  235. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Who?!

  236. West Coast Yankee Fan June 23rd, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    Iman Shumpert

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba.....s?id=19346

  237. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    I kept saying “please don’t ____ this up”…………I hope they didn’t

  238. West Coast Yankee Fan June 23rd, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    June 20 Update: Shumpert has been rising on draft boards every since he had a great showing at the Chicago combine. There he measured with a 42 inch vertical leap, was one of the fastest players there and was shooting the ball better.

    In workouts he’s proven to be a lock down defender and freed from the Georgia Tech system, he’s proven to be a lethal scorer. He still needs to improve his jumper, but he’s a physical specimen. Teams are now looking at him anywhere from 13 to 20.

  239. Nick in SF June 23rd, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    I wonder if Iman Shumpert Sr.’s close friendship with Joe Girardi was a factor. :neutral:

  240. West Coast Yankee Fan June 23rd, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    Betsy they didn’t screw the pick up. Great selection IMO.

  241. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    ON Newsday’s live draft chat, they are saying that Walsh loved this guy’s workout in Chicago, but also to keep in mind that his agent is Amare’s agent.

  242. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    David Bowie likes the Iman pick.

  243. Tar June 23rd, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    blake

    What do you think of shumpert. Honestly I can’t even rember him last year

  244. J. Alfred Prufrock June 23rd, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    Manny FTW!

  245. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    Uggggh. Mother effer Singleton goes in the next pick.

  246. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    WC, I hope not. I’m not going to kill them – for one, he’s just a kid and for another, I know nothing about him. This is not going to be a well-graded pick, though

  247. yankeefeminista June 23rd, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    Yay, Manny B!

  248. J. Alfred Prufrock June 23rd, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    I am a DJ, I am what I play

  249. J. Alfred Prufrock June 23rd, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    Time flies when you’re having fun

  250. Nick in SF June 23rd, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    Iman didn’t show up for the draft because he was too bored???? :mad:

  251. yankeefeminista June 23rd, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    More like Ch-Ch-Changeup, Prufrock.

  252. Abe Peteraham June 23rd, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Now go get ur shinebox

  253. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Friggin Knicks. Take Singleton there and then buy a late first rounder to get a guard.

  254. J. Alfred Prufrock June 23rd, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    yankeefeminista June 23rd, 2011 at 9:19 pm
    Yay, Manny B!
    ///

    Love it

  255. J. Alfred Prufrock June 23rd, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    yankeefeminista June 23rd, 2011 at 9:20 pm
    More like Ch-Ch-Changeup, Prufrock.
    ///

    For Manny B, yes :D

  256. Jackson June 23rd, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    The sport doesn’t matter, posting what other people say trumps how a person is.

  257. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Do we want Phil to have a power curve or a loopier one? The one he had on the minors was not a power curve – he showed up in camp in 2009 with that one – but it’s the one that was most effective. I remember CB and/or SJ talking about how it almost seemed like Phil’s curve was being telegraphed because it was getting hit pretty well. First things first – figure out what kind of curve he throws best and try to master it.

  258. blake June 23rd, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    Tar,

    I saw him live last year…..he can flat out score and shoot the ball.

  259. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    FML. old man Walsh strikes again in the draft.

    He is probably off to bed now. It’s late for him.

  260. blake June 23rd, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    I don’t like Loopy slow curveballs unless its just an every now and then change of pace pitch….Hughes needs a D Rob hammer……

  261. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    LGY, I never liked the idea that Donnie was going to have anything to do with this draft – he’s not part of this team, he decided to walk away and he’ll probably go to Indiana and still he was the biggest part.

    Either way, I knew this was going to be a let down. Poor kid – Knicks fans hate him already.

  262. yankeefeminista June 23rd, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    When it is good the power curve is more effective; he throws it from the same release point, or at least is supposed to as the FB. The loopy curve was the one they were sitting on. When he throws that one once in a while it is an effective pitch, but only occasionally.

  263. West Coast Yankee Fan June 23rd, 2011 at 9:27 pm

    This isn’t a let down, this was a very good pick.

  264. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Betsy,

    He is under contract as a consultant for the next year.

  265. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Blake, if only it were that easy. He just has to pick one and stick with it – the tinkering isn’t good.

  266. yankeefeminista June 23rd, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    Yes, what Blake just said.

  267. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    What kind of curve did he have in the minors? It wasn’t a power curve. We’ll see what Rothschild can do with him.

  268. J. Alfred Prufrock June 23rd, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Agree YF, loopy is good for surprise when they’re looking and it falls in for a strike. That thing he was throwing at Brooklyn was almost AJ like. More of that, please.

  269. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    I hoping the Knicks can buy a late first to pick up Faried.

  270. Tar June 23rd, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    Thanks Blake.

    I am usually pretty good at remembering opposing players, but I can’t place him at all.

    Wow– He put up 30pts the first game and big fat zero the 2nd game. Interesting..

  271. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    Did Hughes throw any of those slider/cutters last weekend?

  272. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    carmeloanthony Carmelo Anthony

    Goodnight. I’m out.
    *******

    That’s good, Melo. If he’s unhappy, I don’t want to hear about it -He got his $$ before the potential lockout, but he also went to a team that bled itself dry trading for him. He’ll have to deal with it.

  273. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Toney Douglas getting traded because of the Shumpert pick?

  274. J. Alfred Prufrock June 23rd, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Juan Miranda homers, his 7th.

  275. yankeefeminista June 23rd, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    ManBan had a bounce back outing against a sometimes tough Portland lineup that works the count. Too many pitches again (96), could have thrown more strikes (61) and only went 5 innings, but 6K’s only 1 BB, 5-1 GO-AO. All 3 hits came in the 5th.

  276. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    I like Shumpert. I’m just mad they passed on Singleton. Whatever.

    Go Shumpert!!

  277. yankeefeminista June 23rd, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    Too many pitches for going only 5 innings, I meant to say.

  278. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Knicks are still a small team.

    They do have the rights to Jerome Jordan, a 7 footer they drafted and stashed in Europe last year,,,

  279. J. Alfred Prufrock June 23rd, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    YF, liking the GOs and 1BB.

  280. blake June 23rd, 2011 at 9:35 pm

    Betsy,

    I don’t know if throwing so many cutters messed up his.curveball or.what…..but that’s a theory you keep hearing around the game. He needs to decrease the roll of the cutter IMO…..mix one in every now and then but not live on it.

    Tar, he’s really talented…..I saw him in Blacksburg and Delaney torched him though.

  281. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    Knicks are still a small team.

    They do have the rights to Jerome Jordan, a 7 footer they drafted and stashed in Europe last year,,,

    —————–

    Picking big men in the draft esp late is risky IMO. I’d rather the Knicks just pick up a veteran bruiser like Kurt Thomas to go with Turiaf and Jordan.

  282. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Blake, for sure the cutter thing is an issue. Now that he’s healthy, seemingly, maybe Rothschild can work some magic with him. I remember the early Boston game last year that Phil dominated, Eiland had to remind Phil not to throw so many cutters, but he is a bit stubborn and never really cut down on it. His cutter isn’t good enough for him to make it a primary pitch. I still think he should try a 2 seamer; giving up as many HRs as he does is going to limit how good he can be.

  283. Tar June 23rd, 2011 at 9:39 pm

    Thanks YF !

    That is too many pitches– but there are plenty of other positives.

    LGY

    Singleton is a very good player, but blake gives shumpert the thumbs up– so all is good.

  284. blake June 23rd, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    I know its taboo but I think Hughes’s arm action would work nicely with mr. Splitty. He likes to throw hard stuff…..

  285. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Here’s Amare’s tweet:

    Amareisreal Amar’e Stoudemire
    Gr8 Pick. Welcome to the team Iman Shumpert. Can’t wait to get started to become a better Defensive team. Let’s go.

    Love it.

  286. mick June 23rd, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    The draft is a crapshoot.
    Trades and FA’s are where its at…

  287. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    Damn. Faried off the board to the Knuggets.

  288. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    No Mr. Splitty, lol…… Phil needs to deal with the fact that he has to throw some softer stuff.

  289. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    esp. since he’s already now had arm problems………..

    I’m sort of used to the fact that the Knicks will always mess up their drafts. I’ve no idea if they did or did not tonight, but geez – Knicks fans were practically up in arms at the arena tonight. I’m glad the kid wasn’t there to see that.

  290. yankeefeminista June 23rd, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Tom, didn’t notice any sliders. He rarely throws them. Hard to say about cutters from where I was sitting, especially with no gun. I could identify 4 seamers, CB, and CH.

  291. mick June 23rd, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Knick fans at the drafts are drunk idiots looking to be seen on tv.

  292. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 9:47 pm

    YF,

    Thanks!

  293. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    carmeloanthony Carmelo Anthony
    My man Iman. look forward to working wit u. Hope I can be a great teacher to u.
    4 minutes ago

  294. mick June 23rd, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    My man Iman. look forward to working wit u. Hope I can be a great teacher to u.
    =================================
    Don’t teach him how to play D.

  295. blake June 23rd, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    That change up Lincecum throws is really a split grip…..Garcia throws a pretty soft split…..just sayin

  296. Nick in SF June 23rd, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    You left off the part of Carmelo’s tweet where he says he’s also looking forward to becoming a better defensive team.

    Right?

  297. mick June 23rd, 2011 at 9:50 pm

    The Knicks need role players, they have enough stars.

  298. blake June 23rd, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    Smoktz is talking about cutters right now and his they can mess up your other pitches for some guys…..

  299. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    landryfieldsLandry Fields

    I made it to the draft people!.. It only took a year after I got drafted. #2ndroundlove

    http://twitpic.com/5fsits

    5 hours ago

  300. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    carmeloanthony
    Y’all will flip anything
    3 minutes ago

    carmeloanthony
    U people are insane. Lol
    5 minutes ago

    carmeloanthony
    I said that bc I was waiting for us to pick so I can go back to doin what I was doin
    5 minutes ago

  301. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 10:00 pm

    ?carmeloanthony?: What’s Iman twitter name. We have to welcome him.

  302. blake June 23rd, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    I hope Tulo enjoys his trip to Yankee Stadium this weekend….(the place he could and should have been playing his home games a couple years from now. )

    Will be nice to see Giambi back…..wouldn’t mind seeing him put one in the RF stands late in a game the Yanks already have well in hand (like 10-2 or something)/

  303. Carlo June 23rd, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Shumpert is nothing to write home about. The folks here giving him thumbs up fall into one of two categories:

    1) Never saw him play in college
    2) Saw him play against UNC and that was basically it

    Nothing special.

  304. mick June 23rd, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Shumpert is nothing to write home about.
    ============================
    Defensive specialists never get the ink.

  305. blake June 23rd, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    “2) Saw him play against UNC and that was basically it”

    wrong. I saw him play against Virginia Tech and UNC and a few other times on TV….he’s got talent and an NBA body but he’s still a little raw. I’m not sure he’s the best fit for what the Knicks need though.

  306. pat June 23rd, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    “Will be nice to see Giambi back”

    Never understood the Giambi love.

  307. Carlo June 23rd, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    A guy who played respectable defense in the ACC isn’t a “defensive specialist” in the NBA just because he has a respectable NBA build.

  308. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 10:16 pm

    If the Knicks don’t buy another pick right now I’m gonna flip.

  309. mick June 23rd, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Never understood the Giambi love.
    =================
    People think he’s cool.

  310. mick June 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 pm

    They drafted him because he plays D.

  311. mick June 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    If the Knicks don’t buy another pick right now I’m gonna flip.
    ==============
    Donnie’s fast asleep by now…

  312. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Unbelievable.

  313. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 10:22 pm

    Donnie’s fast asleep by now…

    —————-

    Probably.

  314. mick June 23rd, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    when is knicks next pick?

  315. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    They don’t have anymore picks unless they start dishing out some $$$

  316. mick June 23rd, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    their last good pick was cazzie russell, make that ewing..

  317. mick June 23rd, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    ever notice how betsy leaves whenever i arrive?
    can’t figure that out…

  318. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    LGY, The Knicks will buy a pick and draft this guy:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....81123.html

  319. mick June 23rd, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    dolan would do that

  320. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    LOL!

  321. ron June 23rd, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    mickJune 23rd, 2011 at 10:29 pm
    ever notice how betsy leaves whenever i arrive?
    can’t figure that out…
    ———————————————————————————————

    Do u blame her???

  322. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    That would have been hilarious if the Knicks selected him first and Stern had to announce it.

  323. Abe Peteraham June 23rd, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Giambino, Pisano cool, on/ off juice, chic magnet… How can’t ya love him?

  324. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Donnie’s not only fast asleep, but he’s on his way out the door……….

    LGY, what was unbelievable? I’m afraid to ask.

  325. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    “That would have been hilarious if the Knicks selected him first and Stern had to announce it.”

    Spike Lee’s reaction would have been worth it.

  326. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Tyler off the board. Knicks liked him. They worked him out twice.

  327. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Betsy

    That the Knicks didnt buy a late first round pick.

  328. jacksquat June 23rd, 2011 at 10:57 pm

    Yank 97 June 23rd, 2011 at 6:11 pm
    “Hughes is so mature that he has lied about injuries now two times in his short career.”

    And didn’t he come to camp a little heavy up top?

    At the beginning of spring training I said I thought Phil looked a little soft and was possibly out of shape and was criticized pretty heavily by several here…

  329. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    It’s a shame that the NBA doen’t have a true minor league system.

  330. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    Oh, thanks. You can buy picks?

    So this team is now being run by a committee it seems…….that’s going to work really well ……..not

  331. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    “Never understood the Giambi love.”

    Players apparently like him a lot too. It’s could be because he may be a genuinely nice person and it comes across. Just a guess.

  332. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    alanhahn Alan Hahn

    Plan is that Shumpert can defend 2′s next to Chauncey and then Chauncey can play 2 on offense and Shumpert can play pick-n-roll.
    33 minutes ago »
    alanhahn Alan Hahn
    Walsh was booed drafting Chuck Person and Reggie Miller for Indy. “And I’m going out with everyone booing me,” he said with a chuckle. #fb
    34 minutes ago »
    alanhahn Alan Hahn
    Walsh said the Knicks are looking at picking up another draft pick, but wasn’t sure if it would happen.
    35 minutes ago »
    alanhahn Alan Hahn
    As for knock on Shumpert’s shooting, Walsh says he shot well at Knicks workout. “His shot’s not broken.”

    **So one game means he’s a good shooter?

  333. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    Betsy

    Yep. I’m still holding out hope the Knicks buy at least one 2nd rounder.

    And SMH. As I type this GS just bought a pick.

  334. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:01 pm

    I mean one workout

  335. Nick in SF June 23rd, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    “That the Knicks didnt buy a late first round pick.”

    They all asked for Montero and a Killer B.

  336. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    The Knicks actually bought the pick from the Lakers that they used for TD a couple years ago.

  337. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 11:04 pm

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    ——

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  338. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    @alanhahn Alan Hahn

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    ***I think you always take the best player.

  339. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    LGY, thanks – well, knowing the Knicks, I’m not expecting anything

  340. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    I wanted the Knicks to draft Chuck Person, but they couldn’t because of Walsh and were stuck with Kenny “Sky” Walker, a SF who couldn’t shoot.

  341. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 11:06 pm

    The Knicks need to dump D’Antonti and hire a coach who understands team defense.

    That would be a bigger move than anything they did tonight.

  342. JM June 23rd, 2011 at 11:07 pm

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  343. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    D’Antoni was definitely Walsh’s worst move, and continues to be.

  344. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 11:11 pm

    At the time, I thought Walsh was going to bring in Rick Carlisle.

    D’Antoni was picked, partly, because of the ‘fact’ that James liked his system..

  345. ron June 23rd, 2011 at 11:12 pm

    Somebody in my fantasy league traded tex & stanton for berkman.

    Then to the same person traded matt holliday & huston street for colby rasmus & justin turner.

    The person getting tex,stanton,holliday,street is beating me by only 79 points.

    I think something is fishy here???

    Any thoughts??

  346. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Rich, so are you ticked off like most Knick fans?

  347. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    “D’Antoni was picked, partly, because of the ‘fact’ that James liked his system.”

    I think primarily, Tom.

  348. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 11:14 pm

    No Betsy. I don’t know enough.

  349. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 11:15 pm

    The Knicks just bought a pick and selected….

    Josh Harrelson.

    Who??

  350. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:16 pm

    Bud’s son?

    Rich, I respect that……..

  351. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Betsy

    Whoa! ;)

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  353. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    Yeah, I was trying to be diplomatic.

    As for the pick, I don’t have an opinion because I know nothing about it.

    FWIW the NY Post had the team drafting the guy…

  354. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    I don’t know who Charles Jenkins is, but anyone from my alma mater, Hofstra, is ok by me. Good luck to him in Golden State!

  355. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    I guess that goes in the same file as “you can’t teach (left) handedness”

  356. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    The Knicks just paid $1 million for a guy who probably was not even going to get drafted.

  357. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    I thought about going to a psych grad program at Hofstra.

  358. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Melo’s boy Selby finally gets drafted.

  359. G-C June 23rd, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Harrelson? Really?

    As a Nets fan I’m all smiles!

  360. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    Rich, but obviously you didn’t, lol – where did you go to law school?

  361. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    SHU

  362. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    It was between that and Rutgers and every lawyer and judge who were family friends told me to pick SHU, and since my dad was paying…

  363. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:27 pm

    Cool………. lawyers are some of my favorite people, lol

  364. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    We’re just misunderstood.

  365. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:29 pm

    Hard to argue with dad when he’s paying that’s for sure……….

  366. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Rich, no seriously, I think they are. I remember when some guy put a shingle out in front of his office with a shark on it……..my father did not find it funny. He doesn’t like it when the legal profession is demeaned. Of course there are some sleazeballs out there, but there are sleazeballs in every profession.

  367. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 11:34 pm

    Everyone hates lawyers until they need one, Betsy. Then they hate them even more. :)

  368. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Rich, true, but I think that’s even truer of doctors……… :)

  369. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    I don’t hate doctors (ok, I hate some doctors, although there are some great ones), however, I do hate the health care system, but I digress.

  370. Tom in N.J. June 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 pm

    Nobody ever needs an English prof.

  371. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:44 pm

    Rich, yep!

    Tom, believe me, the way people speak and write these days, they really do………..someone needs to help these grammatically challenged people. Oh how the English language is tortured when people text or tweet. Painful, lol

  372. waka flocka June 23rd, 2011 at 11:47 pm

    Just got home from work. What have I missed and is it obvious that Zeke is running this draft for NYK?

  373. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:48 pm

    Wow:

    45. Josh Harrellson | 6-10 | 275 | PF/C | Kentucky | 22

    Traded to Knicks. Josh Harrellson is not an NBA player. Congrats to him for getting drafted, but he’s got no business being taken. He’s tall and he works hard. That’s it. The Knicks paid $1 million dollars for him? I now officially believe Isiah Thomas is still making Knicks personnel decisions. -Seth Sommerfeld nbadraft.net

    ********

    Unless you are a Knicks fan with an asbestos suit, I would avoid reading or listening to anything about the draft because they are going to get TORCHED big time

  374. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    Isiah actually has a good track record in the draft. Probably better than Donnie’s.

  375. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Most 2nd rounders don’t make it. This draft is about Shumpert.

  376. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:54 pm

    Also, frustratingly, from what I’ve seen, the Nets are getting raves. Just once I’d like to see a NY team I like make a pick or picks that are well-regarded.

  377. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    Isiah blew the highest pick he had in NY: Channing Frye over Bynum or Granger, who Walsh took. He may be a decent scout though.

  378. Rob_NY June 23rd, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Doctors may correctly guess what illness you have but we get you out of jail. Lawyers get a raw deal for sure in the court of public opinion.

    P.S. If that’s not controversial enough for you, bring up Montero.

  379. LGY June 23rd, 2011 at 11:57 pm

    Yeah but Walsh similarly blew the Jordan Hill pick.

  380. Rich in NJ June 23rd, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    On the controversy scale:

    Bringing up Montero = 1

    Moving Jeter down to the bottom of the order v. RHP = 10

  381. Betsy June 23rd, 2011 at 11:59 pm

    I don’t get drafting a guy who has few offensive skills and whose big thing is that he can play some D – just by doing some digging around, can’t you find these kinds of players around the league? I still say you pick the best player available, but Donnie went all conservative and picked a player who wasn’t as good as the others, but happened to play a position they could use help at. I have to say that maybe it’s just time for him to leave already – though I’m sure he had plenty of “help” making these decisions, which doesn’t bode all that well for the future.

  382. Betsy June 24th, 2011 at 12:00 am

    Night!

  383. Rich in NJ June 24th, 2011 at 12:01 am

    I think I read that he deferred to D’Antoni on Hill, but that’s no excuse. His health has had an impact on his energy. Maybe this draft was another example of that. I just wish Dolan would boot D’Antoni’s smug butt out of here now, but supposedly he’s staying the season.

  384. Rob_NY June 24th, 2011 at 12:02 am

    “On the controversy scale:

    Bringing up Montero = 1″

    lol But he has fifty-three K’s this season. FIFTY-THREE!

  385. LGY June 24th, 2011 at 12:06 am

    Isiah Thomas gets selected with the final pick. lol.

  386. Rich in NJ June 24th, 2011 at 12:08 am

    In the NFL that would make him Mr. Irrelevant.

  387. m June 24th, 2011 at 1:23 am

    ahhhhh!!!! baseball withdrawals!!!!!

  388. m June 24th, 2011 at 1:30 am

    Looks like Hughes is going to start for Trenton tomorrow. 6:35 pm start.

  389. m June 24th, 2011 at 1:45 am

    Not sure if how Sherman came to his conclusion, but he’s saying if Hughes does not require a 3rd rehab start he could line up for the Mets series on July 2nd.

    I’ve heard 3-4 rehab starts, so I’m not sure how you get away with 2 topping out at 75 pitches on 6/24.

    They said Gordon gets another shot, so maybe they let him pitch at Citifield.

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports.....um=twitter

  390. Jerkface June 24th, 2011 at 1:46 am

    I’d let Gordon go at Citifield. If he can’t get the mets out in that huge park then shame on him.

  391. UnKnown June 24th, 2011 at 1:48 am

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  392. m June 24th, 2011 at 1:49 am

    As long as Gardner is in LF. :)

    JF, did you see the espn article about Gardner’s defense? There’s a nice graphic showing his range. And some pretty good play on ball numbers. Tops in two categories I believe.

  393. Jerkface June 24th, 2011 at 2:01 am

    Yes, great article, hope some of his detractors took a look since I don’t need convincing on his defensive merits.

  394. Jerkface June 24th, 2011 at 2:01 am

    I want to see a graph/chart/graphic that shows Gardner+Granderson’s overlapping spheres of influence. must be huge.

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  397. Betsy June 24th, 2011 at 8:14 am

    The Yankees need to take it slow and steady with Phil……..I would go with at least 4 rehab starts, perhaps 5. The Mets series shouldn’t come into play at all.

  398. Erin June 24th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Happy Birthday to Phil Hughes :)

  399. MTU June 24th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Good morning.

    Looks like we might get several key pieces back at around the same time.

    Hughes, Colon, and Chavez.

    Maybe even Soriano.

    :)

  400. upstate kate June 24th, 2011 at 8:28 am

    Hi Betsy Nails!!!

    I agree regarding Phil. Better to make sure he is ready than to rush him back.

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  402. MTU June 24th, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Erin-

    Is Phil 25 ?

  403. Erin June 24th, 2011 at 8:31 am

    MTU-I think so.

  404. Betsy June 24th, 2011 at 8:34 am

    I’m sorry, Walsh ticks me off:

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.2980981

    The Knicks still had a choice between two of their main targets, Iman Shumpert and Chris Singleton and Walsh said the decision was to go with Shumpert, the 6-6 guard, because he filled an area of need in the backcourt. Singleton is more of a forward and, with Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire, there won’t be much opportunity for Singleton.

    According to multiple sources, Walsh took a poll of the Knicks’ war room, of all the scouts and basketball staff, and there was a split between Shumpert and Singleton. Walsh then turned to Mike D’Antoni, who said he wanted Shumpert. That’s when Walsh declared, “Shumpert is the pick” and the selection was submitted.
    ********

    I don’t dislike Mike, but he’s a coach – he’s not going to be a long-term part of this team. I can’t believe Walsh allowed someone who’s likely NOT going to be here past this/next year make the choice. Jeez.

  405. Betsy June 24th, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Hi Kate! How are you?

  406. MTU June 24th, 2011 at 8:38 am

    It’s nice to be here this AM surrounded by Women.

    I have to do this more often.

    ;)

  407. upstate kate June 24th, 2011 at 8:40 am

    I am fine, but would be happier if the sun would come out for a change :)

    MTU and his harem! Guess that comes from living in Utah!

  408. Betsy June 24th, 2011 at 8:42 am

    FYI that was George King, not Sherman, who wrote that about Phil.

    Off to work – later!

    Kate, it’s been miserable in NY for days!

  409. MTU June 24th, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Kate-

    Blog Polygamy.

    :)

  410. MTU June 24th, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Kate-

    But my harem has shrunk as Doreen, Erica, and Trisha have all run off.

    :(

  411. Erin June 24th, 2011 at 8:53 am

    This has absolutely nothing to do with anything, but I heard about it on the radio this AM, and am totally fascinated by it: Deep Fried Kool-Aid

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/.....-aid_n.htm

  412. MTU June 24th, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Erin-

    What will they think of next ?

    :)

  413. Erin June 24th, 2011 at 9:01 am

    MTU-I know!

    They’re introducing deep fried butter at one of the Wisconsin fairs-I may have to run up there and check it out. ;)

    I don’t even want to think about how bad all that stuff is for you. LOL

  414. MTU June 24th, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Erin-

    Watch out.

    The food police will be right on your tail.

    ;)

  415. Doc Iac June 24th, 2011 at 9:04 am

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  416. MTU June 24th, 2011 at 9:06 am

    Erin-

    Uh oh. See what you’ve started.

    My favorite as kid was raw bacon and crackers.

    Wonder I lived past 10.

    :)

  417. Erin June 24th, 2011 at 9:07 am

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    ********************

    oh yes. :)

  418. MTU June 24th, 2011 at 9:07 am

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    __________
    One word:

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    :-)

  420. Erin June 24th, 2011 at 9:10 am

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    :arrow:

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