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Yankees pregame: On-time return for Jeter in doubt

Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jun 24, 2011 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Brian Heyman here for this weekend series against the Rockies at Yankee Stadium. Joe Girardi said during his pregame press conference that Derek Jeter isn’t doing baseball activities yet in Tampa (outside of throwing) and that his calf is still sore. The Captain is eligible to return here next Wednesday vs. Milwaukee, but it doesn’t sound like the chase for 3,000 will resume that night.

“We’re getting to the paint that Wednesday is probably in jeopardy. but I can’t rule it completely out,” Girardi said.

Bartolo Colon is making progress in his comeback from his hamstring strain. Girardi said he threw off a mound in Tampa. The plan is for him to throw 50 pitches in a simulated game on Monday. Phil Hughes’ next rehab start is scheduled for tonight for Double-A Trenton at New Britain. The hope is he can go 75 pitches. Girardi wouldn’t project an exact return date for him.

But when Hughes and Colon come back, would Colon return to the bullpen where he was at the start? Girardi said the plan hasn’t been discussed yet.

“(Colon) was throwing so well in the rotation, it would be pretty hard to take him out of the rotation,” Girardi said. “But these are things we’ll have to look at.”

What do you think? Who should be the odd man out?

As for the report that Francisco Rodriguez wouldn’t mind setting up for the Yankees, Girardi didn’t offer much because of tampering rules. He did say David Robertson has done a great job. But he also said, “You can never have too much pitching.” 

The DH will be in play for this interleague game and the Rockies have an experienced one in Jason Giambi. 

“Colorado might be equipped more for the American League game because of Big G,” Girardi said.

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217 Responses to “Yankees pregame: On-time return for Jeter in doubt”

  1. Erin June 24th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    RiverAveBlues He lives! RT @acomak: Chien-Ming Wang will begin a rehab assignment with Single-A Hagerstown on Monday.

  2. BoJo June 24th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

    I do NOT want to see Colon put back in bullpen. He is pitching like a Cy Young candidate and a #2 starter in play-offs. Let Garcia be long man for a few starts…until we see what Hughes has. Then pick Hughes, Nova, or Garcia as long man. And please–no trades of Nova or Hughes…we need the for next year.

  3. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    Brian-

    I believe the Rockies pitcher for game 3 is rookie Juan Nicasio, who gave up 6 runs in 4.2innings to the Indians in his last start.

    Will Giambi be playing in the Old Timers Game also?

  4. blake June 24th, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    If they coukd get K Rod for nothing and work it so his option doesn’t kick in…..fine.

  5. BoJo June 24th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Erin June 24th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
    RiverAveBlues He lives! RT @acomak: Chien-Ming Wang will begin a rehab assignment with Single-A Hagerstown on Monday.
    _____
    I was doing some project work down there a year ago or so…nice little park. Wish I could see him pitch.

  6. SoS June 24th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    “(Colon) was throwing so well in the rotation, it would be pretty hard to take him out of the rotation,” Girardi said. “But these are things we’ll have to look at.”

    ========

    Look at? Joe, open the binder and see the CY Young year Colon has had this year. That should make things clearer.

  7. ZMAN June 24th, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    “If they coukd get K Rod for nothing and work it so his option doesn’t kick in…..fine.”

    His option is based on games finished, so it’s a good bet that it won’t vest if he is traded to be a SU man.

  8. blake June 24th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Zman,

    Precisely

  9. Bronx Jeers June 24th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Colon is returning to health pretty quick for a guy that size with a strained hammy.

  10. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Francisco Rodriguez wouldn’t mind setting up for the Yankees.
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    Since he then wouldn’t get to finish 55 games this season to exercise the 2012 vesting option of $17.5 million, he’d most likely ask for an extension.

  11. tomingeorgia June 24th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    I’ve said it before: Colon is a professional. He hasn’t forgotten how to pitch. He belongs in the starting rotation.

  12. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    SoS June 24th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
    GB7,
    I went to the san diego zoo camping a couple years back for fathers day and they told us that the badger or was it the wolverine was the most dangerous animal there was. I believe its the one that kills snakes(sleeps off their venum). All I could think of is that they probably never watched the Lion King and should all be fired for miss representation.

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    Along with minks and ferrets, all part of the weasel family.

    In Michigan it’s protected as the state animal and close to extinction, but, pound for pound the meanest thing on four legs. They’ll attack bears if they’re cornered. They’ll gnaw off a leg if caught in a trap, get into houses and cabins and rip food packages apart and vomit.

    As far as snakes, not sure, although a mongoose will attack snake like cobras and kill them..

  13. Jerkface June 24th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Since he then wouldn’t get to finish 55 games this season to exercise the 2012 vesting option of $17.5 million, he’d most likely ask for an extension.

    Would be pretty greedy of him, and not happening. If they trade for him I hope he accepts the fact he would be positioned for a ring and shut up, then get the hell out in free agency to spare us all his histrionics

  14. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    MaineYankee June 24th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
    GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
    I never hear anybody complaining about killing skunks, weasels, badgers and wolverines
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    What do you mean?

    Someone’s always complaing about you.

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    Not sure an SOB is part of the weasel family.

    Well, maybe they are in Georgia, huh?

  15. Yank 97 June 24th, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Nova vs. Garcia in a 3-4 start audition

  16. Bronx Jeers June 24th, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    I’d take Krod. He’s feisty.

  17. Brian June 24th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    I do NOT want to see Colon put back in bullpen. He is pitching like a Cy Young candidate and a #2 starter in play-offs. Let Garcia be long man for a few starts…until we see what Hughes has.

    ———–

    So Gordon stays in the rotation over Garcia?

  18. tomingeorgia June 24th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    GB7,

    In Georgia, SOB is a compliment.

  19. AldotheApache June 24th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    blake June 24th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
    If they coukd get K Rod for nothing and work it so his option doesn’t kick in…..fine.

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    That’d be interesting.

    His 2012 option kicks in IF he reaches 55 games finished this year, and he’s on pace to exceed that. But it definitely is NOT gonna happen if he comes to the Bronx.

    He has a limited no-trade (can block 10 teams). My guess is he’d want something in return (an extension?) for coming to the Yankees. I’d be surprised otherwise. We’re talking $17.5 million.

  20. Yank 97 June 24th, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    “I’d take Krod. He’s feisty.”

    He is like the reliever version of Paul O’Neil. He will throw water coolers and chairs at people if we lose games

  21. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    tomingeorgia June 24th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
    GB7,

    In Georgia, SOB is a compliment.

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    Yep. Sort of like being called a king or a god or Mickey Mantle.

  22. tomingeorgia June 24th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    GB7,
    As in “Bad M-fing SOB”

  23. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 5:16 pm

    Jerkface-

    It would be greedy of K-Rod to ask for an extension, or to exercise his limited no trade clause [10 teams], but I can think of many other greedy ballplayers who are all about ‘show me the money.” I know your kidding.

  24. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    “I’d take Krod. He’s feisty.”

    —————————-

    Like his buddy Carlos Zambrano!!

  25. Tyler June 24th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Obviously Jeter is an all time great, but the team has looked pretty good in his absence. No reason to rush him back. I would actually love for Colon to heal faster than him. I think Colon is a much bigger loss at this stage. Insert Colon into the rotation with how this team is playing, and you have an absolutely loaded team.

  26. AldotheApache June 24th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    Jerkface June 24th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
    Since he then wouldn’t get to finish 55 games this season to exercise the 2012 vesting option of $17.5 million, he’d most likely ask for an extension.

    Would be pretty greedy of him, and not happening. If they trade for him I hope he accepts the fact he would be positioned for a ring and shut up, then get the hell out in free agency to spare us all his histrionics

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    I agree, not happening. But I doubt he’ll trade $17.5MM for a chance at a ring.

  27. Laura - I Bleed Blue June 24th, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    “I’d take Krod. He’s feisty.”

    He’s a dirtbag. The guy assaulted his “father in law” in front of the player’s wives and children. I hate that guy. If he becomes a Yankee, I might have to kill myself.

  28. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    BTW lefties are hitting >.300 against K-Rod.

  29. Jason Voorhees June 24th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Gordon is gone the second colon gets back.

  30. AldotheApache June 24th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Correction … $14MM. The difference is guaranteed.

  31. AldotheApache June 24th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    JV, I hope so.

  32. Tyler June 24th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    Yeah I’m not a big K-Rod fan. I haven’t seen much of him this year but his ERA is over 3.50 which is not too good for a closer. I don’t know if that is because of just 1 or 2 bad outings or not but that ERA is not very attractive. He just seems like a malcontent. And if Soriano is coming back this year, I really don’t think he is needed. I can just see him or Soriano whining about pitching the 7th inning…

  33. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    BTW lefties are hitting >.300 against K-Rod.
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    Faux pas. Lefties are hitting .298 against him. :)

  34. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    K-Rods split stats. Not pitching well at home.

    http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7029/splits

  35. G. Love June 24th, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Gordon goes to the pen or AAA the minute Colon is ready.

    When Hughes comes back, if he can throw the ball in the low to mid 90′s again for 100 pitches you make a tough choice. I’m still not convinced Hughes is going to be what we’re all hoping he will be. Reports from that last start were he throw in the low to mid 90′s but then ran of out gas and was throwing high 80′s fastballs toward the end.

    We do not need to waste any more starts on him trying to find himself. He has to come back to this team with the physical ability to pitch 6-7 innings on any given night or he’s a waste of a rotation spot.

    If the Yankees pencil him in and he comes out and loses gas in the 4th-5th inning most nights, it will be one of the dumbest moves in Yankee history.

    Right now they have a rotation, when Colon is healthy, that is pitching them deep into games while the pen is compromised.

    Watching Hughes find himself in July is of little interest to me. He needs to be ready to pitch deep and effective into a game to be a starter here. And he better have something besides that straight fastball.

    I’ll take Garcia who can go 7 and keep the team in the game and the pen rested over Hughes throwing hard for 3-4 innings a night.

  36. AldotheApache June 24th, 2011 at 5:27 pm

    Tyler, if Cash is to be believed, he agrees with you about K Rod (didn’t mention him specifically, but K Rod was the context, I think).

  37. Nilsson June 24th, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    Besides making the rotation complete, return of a healthy Hughes and Colon would also have a domino effect on the bullpen. Nova would move, and he’s shown in the past his velocity plays up well in short relief, hitting 97.

    Forget KRod. He’s not needed.

  38. blake June 24th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    “BTW lefties are hitting >.300 against K-Rod.”

    That’s why we have Boonie…..

  39. AldotheApache June 24th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Gordon is not long for pinstripes.

    Oswalt’s back is barking.

    Can Gordon pull a Cliff Lee, or can the Yankees send him down?

  40. Tyler June 24th, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    G Love-

    It’s a very interesting choice. I know the Yanks want to give Hughes every chance to succeed. The guy was an allstar last year and has seemed like a potential ace since the minors. But you’re right that they can’t waste starts and Colon was having an unbelievable year. Nova is pitching very well right now and he looks like he will stay in the rotation after looking like the easy choice to send down initially. Garcia is pitching well too even though I have my doubts about him still long term. Lots of decisions to make which isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

  41. Melk Man June 24th, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    G Love – Great post. With how many injuries we’ve had in the pen, guys like Garcia and and Colon are so valuable going 6-7 innings every start and limiting the exposure of the pen. Yanks need to make sure they don’t force Hughes in there if he can’t go deep into games while sustaining his stuff. Stamina seemed to be an issue for him last year as well, so it is is a legit question.

    Best thing to do is take a wait and see approach with him

  42. G. Love June 24th, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    My issue with Hughes is he hides injuries and we still haven’t heard an explanation for why he fell apart in the 2nd half last year.

    If he can’t throw deep into a game, he shouldn’t be starting. April is over. The games count and the team is in a pennant race.

    The last thing we need is Hughes throwing in the high 80′s in the 5th inning because he can’t sustain velocity.

    Hopefully, tonight he shows he can finish his pitch count with velocity vs. the last outing when he ran out of gas.

    That said, Garcia keeps the team in the game something I haven’t see Phil Hughes for quite some time.

    I’m all for development, but at this point in the season this team needs to win games and not baby Hughes any more.

  43. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Player move,ent in trenton. Romine activated and playing tonight. Maruszak returns from Scranton and Jason Place was released.

    Just a guess, but, Vazquez may get activated at scranton. Nothing sure on that.

  44. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    Blake-
    Logan lowered his BAA lefties from .300 last week to .286 by getting Votto and Bruce out. :)

  45. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    GB7-

    Is Randy Flores hurt? I would think the Yankees could use him more than Kitty Carlyle.

  46. Red Lobster June 24th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Hughes hitting 95 in the 3rd inning isin’t important if he is only sitting 89 in the 5th

    Will be fascinating to see what they do. Colon has been our 2nd best pitcher. Garcia has been almost as good as Colon too. Both of them give innings and grind out starts very well. Nova has given up 3 runs or less in 10 of his 14 starts.

  47. AldotheApache June 24th, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Jmo, but I wouldn’t mind Jeter and Hughes not returning ASAP, as long as it’s only for erring on the side of caution.

    Replacements are performing, the team is doing well (outside of playing Boston, at least), and the longer they’re out, the fresher they’ll be during the dog days of August and September.

  48. Yank 97 June 24th, 2011 at 5:39 pm

    If it’s not broken, don’t fix it.

  49. SoS June 24th, 2011 at 5:43 pm

    Bad Teacher is getting a real Bad rating. If anyone wants to wasted their money on those movies. Just send it to me instead. So did cars 2.

    GBSOB, has a nice ring to it. John Wayneish

  50. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    SoS-

    Go see Super 8, best blockbuster movie of the summer so far.

  51. m June 24th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Hughes replaces Gordon. If Hughes looks like the old Hughes, then Colon replaces Nova. Nova to AAA to stay a starter.

  52. joeman June 24th, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    so jeter didn’t want to go on DL but might be out a month…interesting

  53. blake June 24th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

    I thought Super 8 was ok…..not an instant classic like I’ve heard advertised though IMO.

    I wanna see Horrible bosses…..looks funny and it has Jennifer in it

  54. AldotheApache June 24th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

    SoS June 24th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
    Bad Teacher is getting a real Bad rating. If anyone wants to wasted their money on those movies. Just send it to me instead. So did cars 2.

    GBSOB, has a nice ring to it. John Wayneish

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    Anybody catch Super 8, and/or Hangover II?

  55. AldotheApache June 24th, 2011 at 5:52 pm

    Just saw your posts, YT & Blake.

  56. AldotheApache June 24th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    If Hughes comes back and pitches decently, someone is going to lose a rotation spot who doesn’t deserve to.

    Good problem to have.

  57. MoRings42 June 24th, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    If Colon is put into the bullpen, someone needs to be fired.

  58. tomingeorgia June 24th, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    MoRings,
    Agreed.

  59. SoS June 24th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    I heard Super 8 was sort of like E.T.. Will watch it.
    Funniest movie of the year was Bridesmaids.

    Hangover 2 they said was basically the first one just in a different country.

    Watched Thor. Wasnt so bad. I wish they stayed away from earth though. It would have made it much better.
    Waiting for the final Harry Potter. The middle movies sucked. But the last one was pretty good and anxious to see how they end it.

  60. Tyler June 24th, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Romine needs to get back in the groove of things before that Futures Game appearance. Has to hold up the Yankee name in that game haha.

  61. Tyler June 24th, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    Hangover 2 was still funny even though it was very similar to the first one. I still think it was solid for a sequel though. Definitely not a letdown.

  62. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    This is only Phil’s second start. I’m really not surprised he lost a little velocity in his first start. He’s not been pitching a lot, after all. This is another ST for him.

    Cash and Joe have said, often, that Phil will get about 5 or 6 starts in his rehab. I believe that you get 30 days for rehab assingment, so that adds up.

    He’s not ready to come back now. By the time he finishes his 5 or 6 starts in rehab, he should be ready to go 7 innings. And, IF he does really great, then they’ll make it 4 starts. Personally, I think he gets 5 mL starts. That should be enough to get him stretched out to go about 90-100 pitches.

    They’ll figure out the rotation in another month. Too much time, too many things can happen.

  63. ron June 24th, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    Update (5:08pm): Via Brian Heyman, Joe Girardi said that Colon with throw 50 pitches in a simulated game on Monday. That conveniently lines him up to start next Saturday, which would be the Brian Gordon’s next scheduled turn if they use Monday’s off day to skip him.

  64. Laura - I Bleed Blue June 24th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    “Go see Super 8, best blockbuster movie of the summer so far.”

    It’s good, but it’s not a blockbuster. In fact, I’d say that you could even wait until it’s on DVD to see it. It’s not a film that you need to see on the big screen.

  65. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
    GB7-

    Is Randy Flores hurt? I would think the Yankees could use him more than Kitty Carlyle.

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    No, Flores is pitching, no injuries. Never really understood bringing Carlyle back from the dead. basically, he’s just an arm, but, the few innings he’s given NY isn’t real. He’s a career minor leaguer with a lot of bad major league innings. I assume that they’re just trying to get Flores into shape. He’s a true LOOGY. Don’t let him go up against right handed bats. Not all that great against lefties, either. I think the only AL team he has an ERA below 4.00 is the 1.2 innings against baltimore, 1 inning against the Yanks and the 3.40 in 2.2 innings against the White Sox.

  66. Tyler June 24th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    ron June 24th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
    Update (5:08pm): Via Brian Heyman, Joe Girardi said that Colon with throw 50 pitches in a simulated game on Monday. That conveniently lines him up to start next Saturday, which would be the Brian Gordon’s next scheduled turn if they use Monday’s off day to skip him.
    ———————

    That would be fantastic. With the way that Nova and Garcia are throwing the ball, adding in Colon would make the rotation very solid. CC, Burnett, Colon, Nova, and Garcia could be very good.

  67. West Coast Yankee Fan June 24th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    “Super 8″ is very good not great. “Green Lantern is really bad”. Best film out IMO is “The Trip” and a documentary “Buck” which is just outstanding.

  68. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    ron-

    Definitely hope they skip Gordon’s next start which would be against the Brewers. If Chris Heisey can hit 2 homers off him, then I hate to see what Fielder, Braun, Weeks and company will do.

    Maybe they keep Gordon to play OF instead of Andruw “just keep on paying me” Jones??

  69. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    “Buck” was about an animal collector…used the animals to make coats for rich people. Frank Buck.

  70. pat June 24th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    YankeesWFAN Giambi batting 5th and DH for Rockies tonight. 7 HR in 61 ABs for Rox, incl 3 in one game. Expect salute from @baldvinny and the Creatures.

    Only thing that would be more lame than Sweeny asking the Creatures to Roll Call Giambi would be Giambi asking Sweeny to ask the Creatures to Roll Call him.

  71. West Coast Yankee Fan June 24th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    You obviously did not see the film.

  72. tomingeorgia June 24th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    GB7,

    Get your doors and windows installed?

  73. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    I support “Furs For Hotties”.

  74. ron June 24th, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    I think they skip gordon monday & colon gets the start saturday,instead of gordon.

    The yankees aren’t stupid,they see what we see in gordon.

  75. Laura - I Bleed Blue June 24th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    “Green Lantern is really bad”.

    Can’t say I’m surprised. I thought that the casting was all wrong with that one. Just like with Green Hornet. If you don’t have the right lead in these superhero movies, it just doesn’t work.

  76. G. Love June 24th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Let’s see, Giambi came here, we never won a title, he completely clogged the payroll, got caught using steroids and couldn’t play for awhile because of his PED use and then became a low average hitter only capable of walks and HR’s with terrible defense.

    I guess we should retire his jersey while he’s here.

  77. upstate kate June 24th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    espn update:
    Oswalt on the DL
    Morneau to have neck surgery on Wed

  78. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Tom, got the door in and half of the windows. Finish them tomorrow along with starting on one of the bathrooms. That’s a job that I really dred.

  79. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Green Lantern was stupid. X-Men was just OK. Hugh Jackman has a cameo appearance with 2 words!!

    Hope that you stayed for the credits when you saw Super 8 to watch the finished movie the kids made.

  80. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    Colon would do well in a relief role, I really think so.

    But, it would be nuts not to put him back into the rotation.

    The thing is, Nova has done well as a starter. The weakest one, I think, is Garcia. But, his stuff translates least well to a relief role, unless it’s in gar-bage time (as Marv Albert says).

    But, stuff happens. Too many starters may turn out to be a non-problem.

  81. LockDown June 24th, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    I get the vibe that Gordon will be skipped & AJ/CC will be moved up because Girardi said he would stay on rotation with AJ/CC/Nova/Garcia and didn’t say anything about the last 2 brewers games. So I think we’ll see AJ/CC move up & close that series out.

  82. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Bathrooms are not fun. And, they always take longer than you think. Trust me.

  83. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    GB-

    Is Flores hurt? If not why isn’t he up instead of Carlyle?

  84. SoS June 24th, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Giambi batting 5th!! When is someone going to have the stones to drop him in the lineup!!

  85. West Coast Yankee Fan June 24th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Given age and the possibility of more injuries, the Yankees are certainly not flush with starting pitching. You can never have too much.

    Sabathia
    Burnett
    Hughes
    Nova
    Colon
    Garcia
    Gordon

  86. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    I like the job that garcia has done, but, if Hughes and Colon are healthy and effective, I think Garcia is gone, either bullpen or trade package. A more than decent, cheap starter with no contract beyond this year would look good to Milwaukee, Cincinnati or St. Louis

  87. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    Colon would do well in a relief role, I really think so.
    ———————————————-

    With the velocity and movement on his fastball he could easily be one of the best set-up guys to Mo in the game. However I love watching him start.

  88. joeman June 24th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Tyler Clippard…..anyone else hear this rumor

  89. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Garcia for Rasmus works for me.

  90. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Trader, from 6:09 PM

    No, Flores is pitching, no injuries. Never really understood bringing Carlyle back from the dead. basically, he’s just an arm, but, the few innings he’s given NY isn’t real. He’s a career minor leaguer with a lot of bad major league innings. I assume that they’re just trying to get Flores into shape. He’s a true LOOGY. Don’t let him go up against right handed bats. Not all that great against lefties, either. I think the only AL team he has an ERA below 4.00 is the 1.2 innings against baltimore, 1 inning against the Yanks and the 3.40 in 2.2 innings against the White Sox

  91. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    GB-

    At least Garcia has an out pitch with the split finger. I hope Hughes regains his velocity and movement on his fastball.

  92. GreenBeret7 June 24th, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
    Garcia for Rasmus works for me.

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    Only if they add a non-descript reliever like Salas. I’d even be willing to add Jones to sweeten the pot.

  93. Yankee Trader June 24th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

    Garcia for Rasmus works for me.

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    Joe-

    Sorry but I’ll take Jon Jay instead. Now that Berkman is at 1st, they’re short an OF’er.

  94. Asd June 24th, 2011 at 6:32 pm

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  97. Betsy June 24th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    As to last outing, I’ve seen fans express all sorts of concern about his losing velocity last out – I just don’t get the big deal. He hadn’t pitched for months and now he’s expected to have stamina? There are no guarantees in life – all of a sudden Nova is guaranteed to pitch deep into games? He’s not.

  98. Betsy June 24th, 2011 at 6:37 pm

    What I mean is, he hadn’t pitched in months and expecting him to not lose a bit of velocity as the game wore on is unrealistic.

  99. tomingeorgia June 24th, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Betsy,
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  100. Joe from Long Island June 24th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Hi, Bets. Agreed, on the need to have realistic expectations for Phil as he rehabs. That’s why I think it will be the AS break before he’s back. I don’t think he will be rushed.

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    Hughes has a ton to prove and the Yankees don’t owe him anything at this point in the season. If he can’t throw 6-7 innings a start he does not belong in this rotation.

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    The Yankees need to focus on winning and not on Phil Hughes’ development, especially since he hides injuries from them and costs them games when he should have been honest with them.

    If he can’t throw in the low to mid 90′s for 100 pitches, he doesn’t belong in this rotation right now especially since he has no other pitches to use other than fastball and cutters unless he’s discovered something he hasn’t shown in a long time.

    I’m terrified that Hughes is going to come up, give us a couple of 4 inning 100 pitch gems and then we’ve ticked off/thrown off Garcia/Nova/Colon all to give Hughes another chance.

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    No need to rush anyone w/ as well as the SP are doing. Phil should be given plenty of time to get his stamina and velocity back. I think Freddie pitches better against teams that are less patient at the plate, which may be a concern at play off time.

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    Asd, also, I don’t think it’s fair to give up on him after 1 year. I wasn’t happy at all with how he pitched and I have my doubts about him overall, but I’m very happy that he’s on his way back because I’d like to see him succeed. I don’t believe the Yankees will tell him he’s lost his job because he got hurt.

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    GLove, so when Nova has his struggles and he will – and he doesn’t get past the 4th or 5th inning, how will you feel?

  110. Betsy June 24th, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    I want to know what pitcher goes out and gives 7 innings every start- especially a 25 year old. AJ doesn’t do that, Nova doesn’t do that, Garcia doesn’t do that – no one except CC does that.

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  114. Betsy June 24th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    I have often agreed with GLove about Phil, but I think the standards that he’s holding Phil too are exceedingly high. Also, while he struggled in the 2nd half last year, it’s not like he lost a ton of velocity late in games last year – he does tend to lose velocity early (from 94 to 91/92 by the 3rd inning) – and this year is a total throw out because he was hurt.

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    When Colon returns he takes Gordon place, in the case of Hughes i think garcia goes t the bullpen

  117. ron June 24th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    The question now is,can hughes pitch better than nova or garcia?

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    Ron,

    thats why they’ll wait and see how Hughes performs in his rehabs starts

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    He doesn’t have to – Phil is not going to lose his job, unless he comes back and he’s awful.

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    It is too early in the rehab process to determine if Hughes can maintain velocity.I suspect he can but just needs to get innings in to build arm strength. I think that Yanks might consider keeping Hughes in pen for now pending what materializes on trade front. Hughes can be the 8th inning guy if Sori does not come back or if Sori gets bumped back. Yanks can then concentrate on trade options for a starter or a back end reliever. Whichever need he is able to trade for effects how Hughes is used. If Yanks find set up pitcher then Hughes returns to rotation. If they find a starter then Hughes stays in pen unless Colon, Garcia or Nova falter.

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