Yankees lineup
Posted by: Brian Heyman - Posted in Misc on Jun 25, 2011 
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1. Gardner LF
2. Granderson CF
3. Teixeira 1B
4. Rodriguez 3B
5. Cano 2B
6. Swisher RF
7. Posada DH
8. Nunez SS
9. Cervelli C
Sabathia P
Looks as good as possible w/o Jeter in the lineup
I am sure there will be some whining about Cervelli, but it is a day game after a night game.
“I am sure there will be some whining about Cervelli”
What’s to whine about with Cerveli? He is deserving of PT and his roster spot.
If Montero left soon from SWB, he should arrive at Yankee Stadium to not only address the media, but take batting practice and go over the Rockies lineup in time to catch CC today!!
Rich
I think the fact that the Yankees passed on Holliday and Crawford to go with Gardner instead shows they are willing to use the farm instead of relying on FA.
They are also using many of their own to strengthen the BP.
Via ESPN NY:
“2) Katie Sharp takes a look at statistical oddities for the Yankees over the past week. The most interesting among these might be the similarity between Ivan Nova’s last start and a game Dave Righetti pitched in 1983. Righetti’s, a no hitter might be more memorable, but as Sharp notes, Nova is the only other Yankee under 25 to have pitched a game of eight or more innings, strike out seven, and allow four or fewer baserunners. “
It’s no wonder folks are staying away from game threads. After looking through the one from last nights game, it appears the 2 WC girl friends got into it with everyone, and lost. Why is it all the negative crap on this board revolves around WCYF. Enough already, please go back to the Dailey News.
I say Cervelli has a good game today….only 1 ball into CF and 2 Ks.
Why whine about Cervelli?? He can’t hit, bunt or throw out runners….It’s like complaining about death, taxes and bad weather….you just accept it, you can do anything about it…
I think the fact that the Yankees passed on Holliday and Crawford to go with Gardner instead shows they are willing to use the farm instead of relying on FA.
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It seems to me that Cashman wants to stay within the 200-210M threshold and advises the Steinbrenner’s against saddling them with long term contracts, although we saw where that got him with Soriano. Unfortunately, the farm is loaded with catchers, but short on major league ready position players.
Cervelli is batting .175 and sucks throwing out runners….Seriously, why not just go with Molina who is better defensively???
Yankees to face Greinke, Marcum, and Wolf in their next series-combined record 20-8. Good time to skip Gordon.
Im more inclined to think Hal sets that 200-210 budget threshold and that Cashman just makes decisions to keep them in that range. I thought someone said that Cashman wanted Holliday……
Country Club, agreed about Phil – this is just his ST, so folks expecting him to be sharp (as it almost seems Cashman did) have unrealistic expectations. He seems to be healthy – and velocity wise he’s ok, except that you hope in the next start or two he could maintain it instead of having it drop early in the game (4th inning).
As to Cash, I’m ready for him to go. He was the right man perhaps to start rebuilding the farm, but I’m not sure he’s the right man to make use of it. I think he’s been inconsistent in his attitude – he says he doesn’t want to rush Betances and Banuelos (or something to that effect) just because of the big club’s needs, but he was just fine rushing Joba and Phil. Plus, while I’ve had no problems with some of his comments, I’ve had serious problems with others – I’m tired of that. I suspect he wants to prove to everyone that he can still be a good GM without all that $$$ behind him and sometimes I get the impression he makes moves based on that – let him go somewhere else. I feel like new blood would be good.
Hey, I don’t know what the belly aching is all about.
It’s always a good idea to start a player who’s got a remarkable slash line of .175/.238/.263, a gaudy OPS of .501, who makes 1 error every 31 innings, and has to be calmed down by the likes of AJ, isn’t it?
I don’t mind them spending money on top tier talent under 30 like Holliday.
Blake, no GM in any sport has complete authority over personnel decisions (you’d mentioned that you’d like Cashman to have this in the previous thread) – and frankly, I wouldn’t want that. Owners have the right to intervene and I don’t see how Hal has been anything like his father in that regard. Ok, Soriano…………but that’s life. Jerry Buss won’t trade Andrew Bynum because his son loves him – or something like that- even though the GM is probably tired of his injuries. It happens and fans need to deal with that.
Blake-
Here are some lefty starters that “might” be available now. I don’t think any would be of benefit to the rotation, except maybe Maholm who pitched fairly well against Boston last night. The Pirates however, are still in the race.
Brian Matusz
Jeff Francis
Doug Davis
JA Happ
Wandy Rodriguez
Ted Lilly
Paul Maholm
John Lannan
Tom Gorzelanny
blake -
I hope the ball Cervelli gets into CF is a base hit, not a throwing error.
Rich, eventually they become over 30. I’m still glad they don’t have Holliday – they’d have had to shell out a ton of $$$ for a ton of years – they already have an old team with more than enough of these types of deals. I think Tex’s contract is going to be more than an annoyance in a few years…..if that long. What they need to do is finally develop some good position players – not catching.
blake -
Any thoughts on the Bob Cats picks? I think they did pretty well.
Betsy
I doubt Cashman feels he has to prove anything.
Wade Boggs is in a SyFy movie called ‘Swamp Shark’:
Wade Boggs on His ‘Swamp Shark’ Role and Why Ron Guidry Is His Muse
http://www.thewrap.com/tv/colu.....-interview
Tiny Al:
Late to the party again ? Do I really need to say it ? BTW, most up to date computers have spell check in today’s world.
YT -
I like Paul Maholm as well, and by the AS break he might be available. Our old Yankees friend Jeff Karstens is pitching well for the Pirates, but, is a RHP. I always liked Jeff, a very good guy.
Trader,
Id love to have Matusz but we know that ain’t happening with the Orioles….nobody else on that list excites me too much unless its cheap
Betsy
As much as I would like to see them be composed of mostly homegrown players, I realize that isn’t going to happen. So with that in mind, it makes sense to give long-term contracts to guys under 30 with major upside. Tex and CC fit that view, as does Holliday. Burnett doesn’t. Holliday has a 187 OPS+ right now. Just sayin’.
That still leaves a lot of room for homegrown players.
The yankees & cashman like to have a lot of payroll come off the books,then go on a huge spending spree.
That is when cashman & co. are at their best.
Lately those contracts are not dropping off the books as much.
Huge mistakes were the jeter,arod,soriano contracts,i can live with the rest.
Arod came begging back to the yankees & the owners should of charged him the texas money they lost & given him a 6-8 year contract,26 million a year.
I’d like to see jeter step aside & retire.Not yet but mmaybe start next year & see how it goes,if his numbers are bad,let the team use that money to get better.
He will have work with this team forever & lives in tampa.
I’d also like an arod buyout,but doubt either happens.
Can we please not turn this place into crazy town again?
FWIW, the fact that, supposedly, grown men are calling each other names on the internet is kind of pathetically sad.
It’s too early for personal bs, please!
“With the __st pick the Charlotte Bobcats pick Bismack Biyombo.”
As Stern said under his breath afterward-WTFIT!!!
Rich in NJ -
I think we’ll see at least 3 of our SP be home grown in the near future, perhaps the 2013 season.
AL,
Me too…..who did the bobcats pick? I really didn’t follow the draft that much.
Betsy,
Not total authority….but a final say. He knows more about baseball than the higher ups.
The Yankees may have won the WS last year with Holliday…..obviosuly I don’t know that but hew a difference making bat. They should have signed him.
I wonder who the Yankees would look too if Cashman steps down? Kevin Towers would’ve been good, possibly.
YT -
The pick I liked was Kemba Walker.
Maine, I disagree, but no big deal. I still hope he leaves.
“I wonder who the Yankees would look too if Cashman steps down? Kevin Towers would’ve been good, possibly.”
They coukd always demote Levine
Rich, I know I’m going to regret the Tex deal in a year or two – he’s not even the same player. Maybe when the core 4 are gone I’ll feel differently, but until then, we are burdened with these things. Matt Holiday was not 22 when he was a FA, he was closer to 28. I’m not giving out massive 7 year deals only to have us have to pay these players when they decline. With the Yankees’ luck, they’ll declilne after only a few years.
Blake, Cashman has not had a ton of interference from Hal………….
Swamp Shark? If it’s anything like Mega Shark v. Mega Octopus, it will be a classic, lol
BIG AL-
Like Walker. Would they have taken Brandon Knight who was selected one pick ahead by the Pistons, had he been available?
Overall a weak draft. Iman Shumpert, selected by the Knicks with #17 was rated by espn as the 11th best point guard available in the draft.
The Pirates are playing good Baseball (for them anyway) and are above .500. Why would they want to trade Morton, Karstens, Maholm, Walker, McCutchen or Hanrahan ?
They have a good nucleus of young talent to build on for the first timer in a long time.
blake -
Bobcats got Kemba Walker – UCONN, Tobias Harris – Tennesee and Bismark Biyombo of the Congo. Biyombo will be a future player for the Bobcats, not next season. He’s a great defender, but needs work on his offens to be able to play in the NBA. Bobcats are getting young, and need 2-3 years to be a very competitive team. And if anyone mocks their picks, I guess they’re saying Jordan doesn’t know how to evaluate talent.
Tex just turned 31 in april & has 4 years left that will take him to 35 yrs .
That is what you wan’t out of a contract,the prime years.
Nothing wrong with the tex or cc contract.
The problem i have is burnett,arod,jeter ones where we are paying players for what they did in the past.
YT -
I’ll admit, B-Ball is not my favorite sport, but living here in NC, one tends to hear more about what they are doing here. The Bobcats are well supported, and given the youth and raw talent, and think in a matter of 3 years, they should be very competitive.
Shumpert shot up draft boards because at the combine and in private workouts. The Knicks think Phil Weber can fix his shot.
Bioyombo was the riskiest pick in the draft. Huge bust potential.
Ron, he’s not the same player they paid for. He’s still good, but he’s a lot streakier than I thought and he no longer hits for average. It sucks to me that we thought we played the Sox for fools and they end up with the better player.
I doubt Cashman leaves the Yankees. This is actually an exciting time to be their GM because of the prospects on the farm and the holes they are going to have to fill at SS, 3b, etc. in the future. I think Cashman would love to be the guy to find the replacement for Jeter at SS or be the guy who brings Zimmerman or Wright to take over at 3b not to mention be the guy who goes and gets Felix or David Price while filling the rotation with the likes of Nova, Betances, Banuelos, etc.
As for Hughes, I have low expectations. Very low. I would hate to see him get another shot at the expense of Nova who has shown me more development and confidence on the mound than Hughes has. I would also hate to see Hughes kick Colon or Garcia out of the rotation as those 2 guys are pitching their hearts out for this team.
I’m tired of Hughes’ potential. My patience with him is thin at best. He lies about being injured and goes out to the mound naked and rather than do the right thing and not hide the injury he gets his brains beaten in costing the team games. Not to mention he hasn’t developed an acceptable repertoire of pitches to make him an effective starter when he doesn’t have his velocity.
I’m past the point of projecting him to be a top of the rotation starter. So why should we bump Nova, a guy doing damned well as a mid/back starter to the pen to give a guy another chance. If everyone is healthy, including Colon, I would not want Hughes to take anyone’s rotation spot. I don’t think he deserves it and I don’t think he lost it because he was injured. He started losing it in the second half last year when he couldn’t do anything other than pump straight fastballs over the plate.
I said it yesterday and I’ll say it again, if he is not capable of giving this team 6-7 innings a night with quality stuff and confidence, then he shouldn’t be starting here.
That said, if one of the five are injured the spot should go to Hughes first over anyone. I just don’t think he’s garnered any of the momentum to take a spot away from one of CC, AJ, Nova, Colon and Garcia if all 5 are healthy.
The Yankees are missing the boat on rebuilding Hughes into a better pitcher by letting him rehab throwing the same style of stuff that was getting him clobbered. He needed the Cliff Lee/Hallyday treatment where they rebuild his arsenal from the ground up. Not, just get healthy and go do the same stuff you were doing before.
Last year he had 2 great months and got an All Star appearance out of it. After that he was not good and didn’t show development.
I’m fine with him in the rotation if one of the 5 guys who have been there for us this year are hurt. I’m not fine with him taking one of their spots.
The best thing I saw last night was Cashman was honest in his assessment of Hughes’ performance. If it were Girardi asked that question he’d tell you how perfect and wonderful Hughes was. Cashman needs to be sure this guy can go into the rotation and throw length effectively before taking any of the other guys out.
I’m too used to Hughes being at 100 pitches in the 4th. The 5 guys we have now are better starters than that. They may not be all stars, but they are getting the job done.
Big Al
Kwame Brown says hello.
Jordan hasn’t had a very good track record as far as being an exec.
It was a disaster in Washington.
You don’t regret a 31 year old player that is smack in the middle of his prime,no steroid issues.
I don’t care how people think he has regressed.
The yankees are getting tex from age 29-35 yrs old.
Same with cc.
Betsy,
We really don’t really no what influence Hal has had….what he’s said yes or no to.
Yes Swamp Shark sounds pretty good.
Burnett got the contract based on the previous 18 game win season with Toronto and that he did well in the AL East, especially against the Yankees. It was between him or Derek Lowe.
And if anyone mocks their picks, I guess they’re saying Jordan doesn’t know how to evaluate talent
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Being a great basketball player does not mean you are a great talent evaluator.
Many former professional athletes have been a complete disaster in front office roles.
LGY, I feel bad for the kid – the pick has gotten slammed by everyone. Who’s Phil Weber?
I still think it was stupid to have Donnie Walsh, who has no future with this organization, leading the way. They should have had a potential future GM make the pick instead of a man whose vision may clash with the future GM. Not to mention, of course, that Donnie allowed the coach to make the final decision, which burns me up. Whether it’s D’antoni or Phil Jackson or anyone else, the coach is being paid to coach the players the GM gives him. That’s all their job is – coaches come and go. The idea that Walsh let a man who may not even be here beyond next year make the decision is annoying.
Blake, why all of a sudden the negativity on Hal? Through last year, people loved him as an owner – now all of a sudden he’s sort of questionable?
Maine -
I’m busted, like I said, B-Ball is not my game, so perhaps I’m as blind as MJ.
blake June 25th, 2011 at 10:34 am
The Yankees may have won the WS last year with Holliday…..obviosuly I don’t know that but hew a difference making bat. They should have signed him.
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I agree that a World Series would have been much more possible with Holliday in the lineup last year. It was a huge mistake not to go hard after him. I think they had their sights on Crawford, all of baseball it seemed assumed he was going to be a Yankee. Gardner played well enough to make management go with the much less expensive alternative. So here we are, playing that hand and we’ll see how it plays out.
As for the extent of Hal’s involvement? No one knows, they are not going to go public with all of their internal conversations. Some leak out and I’m sure many don’t. But there is no way once a budget is set early on each season that Cashman has the authority to exceed that without ownership’s permission. That’s for sure; Cashman’s said that.
Betsy -
I don’t know how well antone knows Hal. It does appear at times he’s more interested at saving money, than making a big addition. I don’t think either of the sons will be to the Yankees what GMS III was, JMO.
The only way Cashman is leaving is if his contract isn’t renewed by the Yankee brass. He has ownership support, works for a great team, has lots of resources to work with and I would think he would want to stay and see the mL tree he has helped plant bear fruit for the ML Club.
anyone > antone
Betsy
I wouldn’t feel bad for him. The kid is estatic to be a Knick.
Weber is one of the Knicks coaches. He has a very good track record of helping players improve their shooting. Kinda like the Kevin Long of the Knicks.
This is the 3rd time 7 years the Bobcats have selected a PG in the draft.
Big Al
I must admit I’m not the biggest Jordan fan.
The Hoops Report is attached with Grades for the 1st round draft picks in NBA:
http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=758
Later folks, have a nice day. Enjoy the game, and GO YANKEES !
So GLove, question: at 25 is Phil done? What do you want to do with him? I do not think he’s going to ever be a frontline starter, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be a solid one with proper development. You want to give Nova all the chances in the world (by the way, his ERA at this point is higher than Phil’s was last year) and that’s fine……….Nova is very likely not going to be a frontline starter either. I agree he has more in his repertoire than Phil – he throws harder and he has more moxie on the mound. Still, Phil exists – he’s in this organization – so you have to find something to do with him. Are you ready to toss his whole career as a starter aside, granting no further development, and put him in the pen?
By the way, Nova often doesn’t get past 5 – since when did he become an innings eater that can consistently be relied on?
As to Cash, he was honest – but all he said was that Phil wasn’t ready; he didn’t say the guy stinks. That said, I try to tune out most of what he says. He always held back the big praise for Phil and Joba, but in ST he absolutely gushed about the Killer B’s. Who the heck knows what to believe from him?
Rich in NJ June 25th, 2011 at 9:58 am
What?s to whine about with Cerveli? He is deserving of PT and his roster spot.
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Based on what? His terrible throwing and errors or is it his horrible OPS? Rich, Cervelli’s has the 3rd most errors as a catcher and his throwing out of runners is the worst in baseball throwing out only 2 runners out of 21. He does not deserve a major league roster spot. You can find better defensive catchers who can’t hit yet still hit better than Cervelli’s. The only catcher close to him in errors (Fielding %) is interestingly Jose Morales of Colorado yet he has only allowed 9 SB’s and thrown out 6. Also, his .669 OPS makes him look like a solid hitter compared to Cervelli’s embarrassing .501 OPS.
Betsy:
You can’t look into the future & predict a players stats.
Look at lackey,dice k.
What you wan’t is to get the best years out of a player & not sign them at 35 year or older unless the team controlls the contract,not the player.
Because of tex being only 31,at least we are getting production out of him & good production.
He is also having a better year than last year but not as good as 2009.
Point being,these great players are going to cost money & i would much rather pay a player from 29-35 yrs old,giving up no prospects in addition than a player til he is 40 or 42 yrs old.
Very safe contract.
Not every player is going to hit .300 with 40 hr,140 rbi.
‘I don’t think either of the sons will be to the Yankees what GMS III was’
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Very astute. No one can hold a candle to King George. Time will tell as Hal and Hank progress and make their mark, good, bad or otherwise.
Big Al, no owner will ever be George because George cared more about winning than life itself. He was impossible to deal with for a long time, so I don’t think I’d want a rehash of the old Boss. Most owners are now like Hal – the bottom line is important. That said, he does spend a lot of $$$………
LGY, thanks! He did seem happy -and I would love nothing more than to see him prove people dead wrong. Maybe Weber will work wonders with him like Long did with Granderson, lol
Tom in N.J. June 25th, 2011 at 10:59 am
This is the 3rd time 7 years the Bobcats have selected a PG in the draft
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Minn. has them beat.
They seem to be stockpiling PG every draft.
What will be interesting is to see what happens if the Yankees fall short this year and don’t get to or win the World Series again. That will make two back-to-back seasons and with Posada probably gone and Jeter, Mo and A-Rod adding another year – who knows what the prevailing management perspective will be. Montero, Banuelos and Betances might be the play — but who knows if that group will be enough.
Ron, I can’t disagree…..Ok, so he’s overpaid, but he’s still a very fine player. However, at the time, I just did not want another one of these long-term deals…………and I wasn’t about to pay him what the Cards did. I don’t have any regrets, but then I never look back since it’s pointless.
I think it is up to hughes to break down the barriers if he want’s to become a great pitcher.
The great ones do.
I don’t know if hughes has it in himself to demand his cb back & to work on a changeup til he gets it done.
I can not see both kids in the rotation (even if they’ve earned the callup) at once……
Ron, first thing is that the Yanks need to tell him in no uncertain terms to stop with the cutter. Then he should throw the curve and change (well, first he has to find a curve he’s happy with) over and over again. However, in rehab, I’m guessing he’s throwing mostly FBs just to strengthen his arm.
No one knows if Hughes or Nova will be front line starters or not. They are 25 and 24 respectively there is a lot of time for them to develop further and both clearly have the physical tools and mental makeup to pitch in NY.
AL,
Thanks….Im not the biggest NBA guy…..I’ve been.paying a little more attention though.
Betsy,
Im not down on Hal at all…..I think he’s a smart dude. I just think he’s the guy that makes the budget and gives Cashman the parameters he has to stay in. Inside that limit I think Cashman should make the decisions as that’s what he’s being paid to do.
Why would anyone want Hank or Hal to be like George?
The yankees can’t make 450 in revenue & spend 100 million on payroll,the money had to be spent,it also won them a ws & it is a very safe contract through a players most productive years.
How about me saying i didn’t wan’t another big contract,so no cc???
Do you know where we would be right now without cc??
In trouble & no ws in 2009.
Betsy,
I don’t think Phil done. I just don’t think developing him and taking chances on him working out kinks is worth it in July/Aug/Sept unless one of the 5 guys who are pitching well for us are injured.
I think he should be the first guy called up to the rotation no doubt. But I don’t think he should displace Nova, Garcia or a healthy Colon.
Nova keeps this team in the game a lot more than I remember Hughes doing it. Again, Hughes had a great couple of months last year and was a nice 1/2 season 8th inning guy, but I don’t displace Nova for him.
To me, he’s the 6th starter right now unless he’s completely healthy and effective. He’s had his chances. He’ll get more. But at this point in the season you need guys taking the mound who can pitch into the 6-7th. The bullpen is in tatters. Letting Hughes screw around and throww 100 pitches before the 5th is not something this team can deal with. They have better options than that right now.
I think Hughes should have been sent down to A ball after this overlong injury sabbatical and have to refine his approach and work his way back up to the big club like some truly great pitchers in this game had to do at similar points in their careers when their arsenal and approach didn’t match their hype.
That said, I’m angry about it because I dislike Girardi and I know he’ll campaign for “Hughesy” to take someone’s spot and that’s the last thing Hughes needs. He needs to earn a spot, not be handed one because he finished a rehab assignment. The fact of the matter is he throws a fastball and a cutter and nothing else of value. He needs more because he doesn’t possess a 95-96mph heater.
The days of him being mentioned at the top of the Yankees rotation are done for me. I like Nova better than him because Nova battles and is showing progress.
They shouldn’t dump Hughes, but they should stop worrying about what a nice boy he is and toughen him up while forcing the guy to master other pitches to get people out. He doesn’t throw hard enough to just be a fastball pitcher.
Not much available in the 2012 FA market, other than Pujols and Fielder.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....-2012.html
“And if anyone mocks their picks, I guess they’re saying Jordan doesn’t know how to evaluate talent”
Kwame Brown.
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Later. Let’s win today.
Yankee Trader June 25th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Not much available in the 2012 FA market, other than Pujols and Fielder.
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That’s a whole lot of available.
Trader,
2012 is thin…..2013 is a different story though…..Kemp and a whole bunch of pitching potentially available.
I am also not talking about holliday.
Right now we need pitching.
Our 1-3 starters are just not strong enough.
We can compete but i don’t see how we can go all the way.
Also the yankees are near the bottom of the league in doubles,the rs first.
I don’t like this hr or nothing offense unless we had a great 1-3 rotation.
If Hughes is not consistently pumping in FB at 93-95, with good command he is not a ML starter.
If Hughes can pump in FB at 93-95 with good command, but w/o a quality 2nd pitch, he is at best a back of the rotation guy and/or potential trade bait and/or a BP guy.
If Hughes can pump in FB at 93-95 with good command coupled with the curve ball he showed as he was rocketing through the system, then Hughes as a chance to be an elite starter.
It is up to Hughes, he is no longer a baby,, I would patient with him but not hand him a job until he can hold his own.
I’m not recommending that Hughes go back to the bullpen, but in 2009, he and Matt Thornton were the two best set-up relievers in AL during the regular season.
Yankees blew it on not signing Matt Holliday,, but water under the bridge, got to move on.
Holliday is a difference maker offensively, could have used a guy like that.
By the way as soon as Swisher really gets hot,, I trade his butt, I flat out don’t like his game and if he can be packaged with prospects to bring back impact talent, I don’t hesitate..
I have my doubts whether this team would have won the WS last season with Holliday.
The entire lineup completely stopped hitting after Game 1 of the ALCS. Holliday might be a good hitter but he couldn’t win two more games all by himself.
He might have stopped hitting like everyone else in the lineup.
The AAA team had 22 hits and scored 14 runs last night.Parraz and Golson were among 6 SWB players who had 3 hits apiece. Dump Andruw Jones already and give oneof those two right-handed bats a chance as 4th OF’er.
yankee21 June 25th, 2011 at 11:16 am
If Hughes is not consistently pumping in FB at 93-95, with good command he is not a ML starter.
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Good command yes, that is true for any pitcher. Hughes does not need to throw 93-95 IMO. 91-93 with good command, a sharp breaking curve he can throw for strikes and a decent change would be more than enough to thrive. Command is the key not velocity.
GF, no question, can’t prove he wouldn’t have hit,,, but I would have taken the chance and then played hard ball with Jeter contract wise… but that is me…
GF-
Always nice to see you posting. I agree. Lee would have possibly gotten the Yankees to the WS last year, but the hitting would have been held in check by the Giants shutdown staff, with or without Holliday.
I think Hughes needs to work on his secondary pitches, even if that means staying in AAA a bit longer. It seems like the league caught on to him in the second half & he had trouble getting into/out of the 5th. After is outing he spoke of feeling good and that he blew a few fbs past hitters. I think he needs to not focus on that & try to work on getting the ball down with curveballs. Mix in some change ups for groundballs. And not just use these pitches as “show me” pitches to set up the fb.
I wouldn’t rush Hughes. If he is going to be our future starter, let’s use this time to change his fb mentality & work on his secondary stuff. He could be very good if he has a more complete arsenal & not just fb/cutter and “show me” pitches.
Nova has more stuff. His slider is a good pitch. His curveballs are ok, loopy, but effective. Though he has had trouble numerous times where he couldn’t get into the 5th inning. And Girardi had to pull him quickly before he gave up too many runs, which has saved his ERA from balooning. He has trouble with patient ball clubs. So it will be interesting to see how the 2nd half goes once clubs have already seen him.
GLove, let’s just compare Phil’s first half to Nova’s since Nova has only pitched one half (less). His first month and a half was superb. After 5/17, he did struggle some more, but I don’t think it’s true that Nova has kept the team in games more than Phil. I think he kept his teams in the game, but he just wasn’t all that great compared to his previous form. Nova has been inconsistent this year – with none of the peaks of Phil. Granted, I don’t think we’ll see last April’s Phil again because teams hadn’t adjusted to him yet, but still and all, those games did happen and they did count.
I agree with your basic points about Phil – though to say he doesn’t battle is something I’m not sure I can say – go check the game logs, esp. for the first half. Saying a pitcher doesn’t battle is a pretty damning comment – I hesitate to make that judgment myself. I do know that I can’t make the comment that Nova is because it’s way too early. What happens when teams adjust to him like they did to Phil and he struggles?
I’d thought that Phil should remain in AAA to work on his other pitches until he becomes a better pitcher, but that’s not going to happen. I agree he’s naked out there with just his FB (which is good, but not special) and his overrated cutter……..but on the other hand, does he deserve to be Wally Pipped? I don’t know.
It annoyed me that he came to camp overweight, I’ll admit that.
The Yankees had a 6.58 ERA in the ALCS last year vs Texas.
West Coast,
I would sign up for Hughes at 91-93 w/good command, a sharp curve he throws for strikes and a decent change. Only problem is he hasn’t shown that sharp curve and decent change in a very long time. I think it’s silly to expect him to have it coming off an injury sabbatical where the focus is on his velocity disappearing. Until I hear he was snapping knee buckling curves and mixed in an effective change in a rehab start, I’m under the impression that he will have the same stuff which frankly wasn’t good enough.
# yankee21 June 25th, 2011 at 11:22 am
GF, no question, can’t prove he wouldn’t have hit,,, but I would have taken the chance and then played hard ball with Jeter contract wise… but that is me…
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Personally, I was against the Holliday signing, so you won’t hear me second guessing that decision.
Just didn’t seem like the best idea given how much money he wanted and the length of the contract into his late 30s. They already have more than their share of big contracts to older players.
Yankee21, that’s not Phil Hughes – you only saw 93-95 in the pen, and let’s keep in mind how brutal he was down the stretch and in the post-season.
I do wonder about his mind-set in pressure situations. I get that he was great in 2007, but that was 3 and a half years ago. Remember how people dissed Clemens because he could seemingly only win “big” games when there was no pressure ? Like Game 4 of the 1999 WS? Phil’s Twins game last year reminds me of that. Also, he had a ridiculous FB that night – something he won’t have very often.
ron
The RS may be 1st in doubles but what good does that do when they are only 1/2 game ahead of the Yankees and just lost 3 straight to 2 of the worst teams in the NL.
Look at the RS 1-3 SP and tell me they are much better than the Yankees.
Apparently his curve was not good last night – it happens to everyone of course, but his curve is a very inconsistent pitch for him and I’m not sure why. I get why the change is because he never uses it.
Maybe Robertson should be stretched out to join the rotation. A+ curveball, A fastball.
Betsy,
I just think Nova is going to be a nice back of the rotation pitcher. He seems more confident on the mound and he has a lot more stuff than Hughes has. Do I think Nova is a future 1-2? Absolutely not. But I don’t think Phil is that anymore either. I don’t see why Nova should be demoted to give Phil another chance. I also don’t see why Garcia or Colon (if healthy) should be jettisoned to let Phil go out there with the same average stuff. It’s not April anymore. The team is playing for the post season and a new “Hughes experiment” is not something I’d want to go through if he is the same pitcher he was.
I want him to be better. I think the Yankees need to be tougher with him. I think they need to send him down to AAA or AA and tell him until he shows more than the fastball/cutter, he’s not ready for their rotation at present.
No, Phil Hughes demonstrated he can consistently throw his FB as a starter 93-95, not just in the pen… go back and look at his games.
He got smacked around when he couldn’t throw quality secondary pitches coupled with no command,, then teams just sat on his FB and clobbered him.
I was also opposed to signing Holliday and have no regrets. He’s nt enough better than Gardner to be worth all that $$$.
I was, however in favor of Joba, Nunez and Montero for Doc Halladay (the Jays’ reported asking price)… time will tell, but Halladay and CC for 7/8 years would have been something to enjoy.
It’s possible the evaluation of Hughes will send him to the pen in 2012 if he can’t sustain velocity beyond 50-60 pitches. Boston had to do the same with Papelbon.
GL-
I wonder if the Yankees will have a good “read” on Hughes by the time the trading deadline rolls around.
GF,
Probably but you never know…..one hitter can sometimes make a difference and ignite an offense. Buster Posey sure did for the Giants last year.
Much appreciated, YT. Don’t come around nearly as often since the blog has become more polluted with nonsense day after day.
I don’t even bother reading the game threads.
Good catchers always ignite an offense!! Bring up Montero and watch the Yankees “go all the way!!”
G. Love June 25th, 2011 at 11:25 am
West Coast,
I would sign up for Hughes at 91-93 w/good command, a sharp curve he throws for strikes and a decent change. Only problem is he hasn’t shown that sharp curve and decent change in a very long time. I think it’s silly to expect him to have it coming off an injury sabbatical where the focus is on his velocity disappearing. Until I hear he was snapping knee buckling curves and mixed in an effective change in a rehab start, I’m under the impression that he will have the same stuff which frankly wasn’t good enough.
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I agree that Hughes has not refined the secondary pitches he will need to thrive in the AL east. The tired arm or whatever it was that affected his fastball velocity set him back a bit but to my way of looking at it in the long run, is that it’s not that big a big deal and doesn’t warrant all the Hughes angst. He was 24 years old last season and is in the process of developing. All of this, the good and the bad feed into that development journey and translate into experience. He has the physical tools.
I don’t think the expectations are or should be that he will come back next month and dominate. I do think if healthy he will continue to learn and get better over time. If he puts it all together in two years when he is 27, and the Yankees get 7 stellar years from him as a number two or three, who wouldn’t sign up for that.
Of course, whether it will go that way who knows. He may be dealt or he may just never reach that level. Impossible to say.
And it is nice to see you GF.
# blake June 25th, 2011 at 11:34 am
GF,
Probably but you never know…..one hitter can sometimes make a difference and ignite an offense. Buster Posey sure did for the Giants last year.
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That’s possible. But as Tom in NJ pointed out as well, their pitching wasn’t very good either.
They were simply outplayed by Texas in every phase of the game. I don’t think Holliday would have made much of a difference in the outcome.
MaineYankee:
The rs are a 1/2 game ahead after being burried in the basement,many games out.
i’ll tell you what,look at the yankees 1-3 & tell me that they can beat
becket
lester
buchholz
Also,why is cashman looking for pitching?
I believe cc,colon,garcia can compete & make it interesting but imo,they come up short.
or
halladay
lee
hamels
Thanks, blake.
GLove, I can’t argue with you. Nova does seem to have better overall stuff – if stuff means combo of velocity and repertoire. I wonder if Phil’s leg injuries did hurt his FB. In any case, you’re right – I don’t think anyone deserves to be demoted. However, since he’s clearly not ready now – forget no command last night, that can happen – given that he still can’t maintain velocity, it appears we won’t have to make any decision for awhile.
Yankee21, Phil does not sit 93-95…………he’s closer to 91-94, and it’s not like he sits 94. He also starts off games throwing harder and then loses steam by the 3rd or 4th inning.
Is anyone an insider with ESPN who can post the complete article about Cashman possibly leaving at seasons end ?
http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb.....%3d6703292
Morneau goes out with a wrist injury and gets scheduled for neck surgery to remove herniated disc fragments. a real pity, because he should be rivaling Teixeira as one of the top firstbssemen in baseball.
WC, I’m not sure the Yankees will re-sign Phil as a FA…………I’ve thought for the last while now that he’s going to be elsewhere after 2013.
Yankee Trader June 25th, 2011 at 11:37 am
It would be nice if it were that simple.
One more thing about Hughes. He is a fastball pitcher and everything plays off that pitch. Command is the key for him given he is a four-seam guy and doesn’t throw a two-seamer with movement. There are not very many major league hitters, especially in the AL, that can’t hit even a 94 MPH four-seamer unless it’s located on the black. Fastball command IMO comes first for Hughes.
yankee21, right, if they can sit on the FB that is the problem. But it only needs to be 91-93 sitting with command. The secondary pitches have to be good. The curve was tight with bite in SI. I don’t know what his curve was like last game, but he was happy with his cutter. I am assuming the one he needs to get lefties to not sit on the FB. But in the New Britain game, Hughes admittedly had no control of his FB, which meant his secondary stuff suffered. Next outing Hughes should have better conditions (rainy night) for Hughes to throw his secondary pitches.
As for staying in the minor leagues longer than two or three starts, I doubt it. Hughes will be brought up as soon as he can hit 100 pitches and he should be. Don’t forget those who are damning Hughes, you can’t develop pitchers without going to some growing pains. Hughes just turned 25. Also don’t underrate fatigue as a factor in Hughes’ 2010 second half. He normally does not have a flat FB. The beauty of his FB has always been the late movement, but the secondary pitches have to be there, so batters don’t sit on the FB.
GLove I agree.
That sharp knee buckling curve we saw from Hughes that hot summer night in Texas the night he debuted is mia.
Betsy June 25th, 2011 at 11:45 am
WC, I’m not sure the Yankees will re-sign Phil as a FA…………I’ve thought for the last while now that he’s going to be elsewhere after 2013.
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That may very well be the case, but two years is a long time. Who knows what his value will be then, to the Yankees, or to another team.
I would think Red Sox fans have to be annoyed by the fact that their team is playing ridiculously well for the entire month of June and still can’t shake the Yanks from their tail.
That says a lot about this team considering the injuries they’ve had to deal with, especially to their entire pitching staff. They’ve been decimated up and down the roster, yet they still own one of the top records in the game.
I don’t get caught up into what the RS are doing. I certainly hope they lose the next 80 games, but outside of that, I don’t watch them on TV and I don’t do any scoreboard watching on a daily basis.
I do think had the Yankees gotten Cliff Lee, and the Rangers, Twins, and Rays still made the playoffs, that the Yankees might have advanced to the WS, only to lose to te Giants.
Sometimes one hitter does make a difference. In the 2004 playoffs I’m still having nightmares over, when John Oleured went down in Game 3 with an injury and Tony Clark took over, the tide changed and Game 4 that went 14 innings, Clark was 1 for 7[ the only hit he had in the entire 7 game series]. Of course the bullpen allowed 2 runs in bottom 8th to allow the Red Sox to throw it into extra innings.
The Yankees, IMO, would have beaten the Cardinals that year.
GB,
It is unfortunate ….shows how.fragile a career is.
“Is anyone an insider with ESPN who can post the complete article about Cashman possibly leaving at seasons end ?”
It’s not worth reporting. Same of old stuff and speculation. Buster must have needed something to write about today.
ron
Lester is not pitching like an ace.
Run support has been his friend.
Don’t look at his record, watch his games.
Bucky hasn’t arrived yet. Not as good as last year and now dealing with back issues.
Beckett started out strong last year as well.
Looked like a CY candidate and then health issues derailed him.
It has been a trend of his to break down the last three yrs.
blake, the injuries are made more odd in that there are so many and none seem to be related to another.
Crawdaddy June 25th, 2011 at 11:50 am
I asked because I wanted to read the whole article. Silly stuff that they try and hold you hostage to buy the damn subscription.
Here you go Craw:
At the end of the 2005 season, Brian Cashman had resolved to end his tenure as the Yankees’ general manager. On what he thought was going to be one of his last days on the job, he gave Yankees owner George Steinbrenner — with whom Cashman had many battles — a recommendation about what Steinbrenner would need in terms of structure going forward.
Steinbrenner asked him to stay on, and now Cashman is in his 14th year as the Yankees’ GM. His contract is set to expire at the end of this season, and many of Cashman’s professional colleagues are starting to believe this will be his last with the team.
“I think maybe he’s finally had it,” said one GM. “That’s a job that will take a lot out of you.”
Cashman said on Friday night that he’s not thinking about his future with the Yankees, and that in keeping with his own approach to contract situations with the likes of Joe Girardi and Mariano Rivera last year, he will not talk about his own future with his bosses until after the Yankees finish play this year. “I have no idea,” Cashman said. “I’m not looking to leave. I’m not looking to go anywhere. I firmly believe this will be the best job I’ll ever have.
“We’ll have conversations at the right time.”
Given the nature of the Yankees’ GM job — it’s a position that encompasses dog years — anyone who is in the position is a candidate for professional burnout or weariness, or whatever description you want to lend. For about a decade, Cashman was the guy who dealt with the relentlessness of George Steinbrenner, and for longer than that, it has been Cashman’s responsibility to deal with the nonstop brush fires inherent in the market and media. He has been the GM through a dynasty, through all the criticism for money spent and championships not won, through the fallout in the departure of Joe Torre. Cashman was a primary target of Torre’s criticism in the manager’s book, and the GM went head-to-head with Derek Jeter in the shortstop’s sometimes contentious contract negotiations last winter.
As time has gone by, Cashman has become more direct, more blunt; while there were years when he steered around lingering clubhouse issues out of respect for Torre, now he tends to hit that kind of stuff head on.
There are more crises to come, regardless of whether Cashman stays on. The Yankees’ general manager on Nov. 1, 2011 — the day after Cashman’s current contract is set to expire — will eventually have to go to Derek Jeter and tell him he must change positions. That GM will have to explain why the team is cutting ties with Jorge Posada and, some day, that Mariano Rivera just isn’t good enough. He will have to deal with the onerous contract of Alex Rodriguez, as Rodriguez fades with age.
And of course, the pressure to win never goes away. The Yankees’ fan base has adopted the Steinbrenner Doctrine as its own; that is, if the Yankees don’t win the World Series, the season is considered a failure. Cashman once offered the best description of his job — his work is like that of Sisyphus, charged with pushing a boulder up the unforgiving mountainside.
On at least three other occasions, there appeared to be a good chance that Cashman would walk away, and he decided to stay. It’s possible this could happen again, because the Yankees are the only baseball team for which Cashman has ever worked and he has always felt a responsibility to the organization.
But he has already long outlasted the typical expiration date for a Yankees general manager. Some of his peers wonder if he’ll finally walk away, to start a new chapter in his life. “I don’t think he has any idea how different his life would be if he wasn’t general manager of the Yankees,” said one high-ranking executive.
Trade market
A rival official strongly believes that the Mets need to trade Francisco Rodriguez very soon, before the games-finished clause in his contract becomes a problem. If Rodriguez were to achieve 55 games finished this year, a vesting option for $17.5 million will automatically kick in. It has long been assumed in other front offices that the Mets would circumvent that clause by trading K-Rod to a team that already has an established closer; this way, Rodriguez would not achieve the requisite number of games finished.
But Rodriguez already has 28 games finished this year, reducing the margin for error for a team that trades for him.
For example (and this is purely hypothetical): Say that the Texas Rangers added Rodriguez in a deal to serve as a setup man for Neftali Feliz — only to see Feliz get hurt. Then manager Ron Washington might prefer to use Rodriguez as his closer, creating a major problem for the Rangers’ front office, because Rodriguez would be in range of his vesting option.
The closer Rodriguez gets to 55 games finished, the rival official said, the less trade value he will have — to the point that some teams might not be willing to touch him at all.
• The Tampa Bay Rays have sent signals that they’re open for business and prepared to take offers on their movable pieces — Kyle Farnsworth, B.J. Upton, etc. — according to rival talent evaluators.
• Flying early this morning to San Francisco, so I couldn’t get to the links. We’ll be back at it Sunday.
And today will be better than yesterday.
GB-
It’s a shame about Morneau. It looks like Morneau had continued weakness in the wrist/arm and an MRI was done of his neck showing bulging disc.
“Here you go Craw:”
I already read the article with my own subscription. There is nothing there worth reposting.
Really is a shame about Morneau…………. One play and it affects the rest of your career.
Mattingly wasn’t a one play thing, but his back injury was devastating – he should have been in the HOF on the first ballot.
Giuseppe Franco
If they are in you are deep in enemy territory you can’t avoid what the RS are doing.
WCYF-
K-Rod has 10 teams on his no trade list, and although he says he wants to go to a contendor if traded, he will have his agent ask for an extension if traded to a team on that list, to be a set-up man.
My bad, it was Vineyard. There you go Bobby.
I should read before I hit submit.
If you are deep in enemy territory.
**contender**
Yankee Trader June 25th, 2011 at 11:57 am
WCYF-
K-Rod has 10 teams on his no trade list, and although he says he wants to go to a contendor if traded, he will have his agent ask for an extension if traded to a team on that list, to be a set-up man.
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You may be right, that is a good point. If that is the case, given the Soriano deal, the chances of the Yankees giving K-Rod a fat multi-year deal are slim to none IMO.
WCYF:
Thanks. Back to sleep now ? LOL !
Enjoy the game today. Even with our sluggish offense of late in the last 2 games, I like our chances against Aaron Cook. Plus it’s a day game where the Yankees have the best record in the league. I believe they’re 20-4 in day games.
Until later.
I’m up, thanks to you!
MaineYankee:
I don’t totally dissagree with you but imo,even a becket,lester 1+2 is better than our 1-2 & fully expect lester to pitch well in a series.
You never know,anything can happen in a series but even if we advance,we would have a very tough task against halladay,lee,hamels,as any team would.
Bichette is off to a slow start in his pro career, but, he hadn’t played in a month. He has one hit, a double that didn’t drive in any runs, and he has one sac fly and no bases loaded walks, but, still has 4 RBI. 0-4 with 2 RBI today.
Crawdaddy June 25th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Nice of you to share.
David Adams continues to hit…1-3 and batting .583. the encouraging part is 2 steals in 2 attempts.
Hi guys-
At the Stadium with mrs. Joe, having a beer. Looks like a great day baseball.
Like GF said, I hope the Red Sox lose 80 straight, but not worrying about it. They will have their rough patches as time goes on. We just have to care of our own business.
ron
Did you think the Yankees would win the WS against the Braves staff in 96?
Rocks looking for SP…I really like CarGo
Joe, Don’t forget to fill Mrs. Joe up on hotdogs, ice cream and popcorn so you don’t have to slave over the stove tonight.
like to see them get some distance between themselves and TB
“The beauty of his FB has always been the late movement, but the secondary pitches have to be there, so batters don’t sit on the FB.”
YF
Yes and no. As a reliever the hitters were definitely sitting on Phil’s FB and still couldn’t hit it.
As you said late movement and just as important command, are probably as or more critical to his long term success as are his secondary pitches.
I think 2011 Bartolo is a good example of command and movement .
As for Hughes, I have low expectations. Very low. I would hate to see him get another shot at the expense of Nova who has shown me more development and confidence on the mound than Hughes has. I would also hate to see Hughes kick Colon or Garcia out of the rotation as those 2 guys are pitching their hearts out for this team.
I’m tired of Hughes’ potential. My patience with him is thin at best. He lies about being injured and goes out to the mound naked and rather than do the right thing and not hide the injury he gets his brains beaten in costing the team games. Not to mention he hasn’t developed an acceptable repertoire of pitches to make him an effective starter when he doesn’t have his velocity.
I’m past the point of projecting him to be a top of the rotation starter. So why should we bump Nova, a guy doing damned well as a mid/back starter to the pen to give a guy another chance. If everyone is healthy, including Colon, I would not want Hughes to take anyone’s rotation spot. I don’t think he deserves it and I don’t think he lost it because he was injured. He started losing it in the second half last year when he couldn’t do anything other than pump straight fastballs over the plate.
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You’re “tired” of Hughes’ potential? Oh, OK, duly noted. Let’s just give up on a 25 year old who won 18 games last season because you’re “tired” of his potential, that would be Cashman at his cagiest.
It couldn’t be that Hughes was just trying to fight through something, could it? In your nostrils, the odor of deceit is in the air, what a surprise. That’s consistent with a 3 paragraph rant you went into because Derek Jeter chats with the 2B when he’s on 2nd (nevermind that, you know, he’s ON SECOND!). Like the tempo of baseball doesn’t create that dropping in vibe, like most players don’t do this, like Jeter doesn’t take the game seriously.
Yeah, Hughes waited too long to admit he was hurting, but he’s no doctor, he’s a kid thinking “I just have to push through it” until he can’t. He may have thought he had a dead arm thing going on. Not like he had all the cards and said “I think I’ll just deceive these suckers and cost ‘em some games.”
Does every Yankee player you don’t like one week or another have a conspiracy going to cost the team games?
GB – mrs. Joe smiled at that.
Hey Joe ( I love Hendrix)
Hope you and Mrs Joe have a great game to watch ( a no-no
).
Would appreciate your take on the game and stadium, if time permits. Thanks
JAP,
I’m tired of all this “Hughes potential” talk because frankly he’s only lived up to it for 1/2 season last year and 1/2 season the year before. Fans talked about him like he was the savior of this rotation and he’s shown no inclination to be that. He hides injuries from the team because he doesn’t want to get lost in the shuffle and in the process has cost this team wins. Colon out pitched him this spring and was sent to rot in the pen because of “Hughes’ potential”.
Right now the team is in a penant race, not in a minor league development mode. There are 5 better pitchers than Hughes in this rotation in my opinion. Maybe I’m wrong, but I wouldn’t bump anyone with the exception of maybe AJ out of the rotation for Hughes, but you know they will never bump AJ out.
As for Jeter being friends with the Red Sox and hugging Youkilis during the course of a game for first place, I think it stinks. There is definitely a part of me that looks forward to the day that the Yankees don’t have a player who feels he’s the ambassador of the game and has to have everyone love him. This was Torre’s downfall. It’s why his teams never retaliated when they were getting drilled since St. Joe was above that.
I’m hoping the next generation of Yankees have a chip on their shoulder and want to beat the opposition and make it less friendly for them to come into their home park.
Jeter’s a great player. A hall of famer. But he’s not flawless and his tenure as captain has left some things to be desired i.e. his treatment of Arod. The fact that he enjoys fraternizing with the Red Sox DURING the game is wrong to me. But we’re the suckers for thinking he wants to beat them to the point that being buddy buddy isn’t an option.
That said, they show up to their games with us and relish kicking our butts. To Jeter, it’s just one game in a long season. It’s part of my issue with this team. They’re too patient and willing to gloss over things because the season is long.
A little intensity and rivalry is a good thing.
yankeefeminista June 25th, 2011 at 11:48 am
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As for staying in the minor leagues longer than two or three starts, I doubt it. Hughes will be brought up as soon as he can hit 100 pitches and he should be. Don’t forget those who are damning Hughes, you can’t develop pitchers without going to some growing pains. Hughes just turned 25. Also don’t underrate fatigue as a factor in Hughes’ 2010 second half. He normally does not have a flat FB. The beauty of his FB has always been the late movement, but the secondary pitches have to be there, so batters don’t sit on the FB.
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Yankeefem, Hughes did seem to run out of gas last season. Does anyone remember Justin Verlander’s 2007? Hughes does have to work out his 3rd pitch issues and become more consistent with his curve. The one we saw in Brooklyn was impressive.
And more thing JAP. You want to have a discussion, I’m game. I’ll admit I’m wrong. But if your whole schtick is to personally attack posters who don’t agree with your views, I’ve got nothing for you. My opinion isn’t always correct and I can assure you neither is yours.
Tar, as a reliever Hughes had increased velocity and therefore harder to hit/more swings and misses. Not the same as being an SP.
GB, let’s just hope Adam’s ankle gets 100% healthy.
GLove, Hughes was an integral part of the 2009 march to the WS. He isn’t a Betances or Banuelos. A good Hughes over a long season would strengthen our chances of winning. Why would you indict the player *before* seeing what he might bring?
As for the Jeter remarks, lol. I don’t think his iron will to win can be questioned. Alex and most baseball players fratinize. Teix chats with everyone who reaches first base, and Teix is a warrior. Your subjectivity is clouding reality when you characterize players based on some superficial appearance and assign a meaning to it.
YankeeFem, that’s the encouraging thing. The base running and all of the hits. That’s a lot of running, along with the defense. I have hopes that they can get him outfield time and become what Randy velarde was to the Yanks.
As for Jeter being friends with the Red Sox and hugging Youkilis during the course of a game for first place, I think it stinks. There is definitely a part of me that looks forward to the day that the Yankees don’t have a player who feels he’s the ambassador of the game and has to have everyone love him. This was Torre’s downfall. It’s why his teams never retaliated when they were getting drilled since St. Joe was above that.
I’m hoping the next generation of Yankees have a chip on their shoulder and want to beat the opposition and make it less friendly for them to come into their home park.
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You’re going to compare Torre not throwing at people, not running on Schilling and Wakefield in ’04 and wanting to be liked by everyone and deciding this describes Jeter as well??
Let’s just say whatever pops into our heads and throw it on this board. You want to say Jeter’s declined, that’s fair. You want to stomp on him and question his will to win, I’m sorry, you’re nowhere, pal.
If we have ANYTHING remotely comparable at SS to what Derek Jeter’s been in his career here I’ll be very satisfied. And if he helps lead the team to five championships in 15 years, I’ll take that too.
For those that have access to MiLB-TV on the internet, staten Island game is being broadcast with video feed tonight.
Tar, as a reliever Hughes had increased velocity and therefore harder to hit/more swings and misses. Not the same as being an SP.
YF
You’re right.
But I am not sure I get the whole up-tick in velocity as a reliever thing. If he can sit at 94 as a RP-why can’t he as a SP? Arm strength?
I just don’t remember hearing about this as much in the past, as I do now ( Joba ). Is this a new phenomenon?
G. Love June 25th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
And more thing JAP. You want to have a discussion, I’m game. I’ll admit I’m wrong. But if your whole schtick is to personally attack posters who don’t agree with your views, I’ve got nothing for you. My opinion isn’t always correct and I can assure you neither is yours.
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Except you don’t really give opinions, you make statements that really boil down to character assassination. Hughes is a liar, Jeter cares more about nurturing a friendship with Youkilis on the field than about winning games.
I’ve just ignored these posts for months, but I am tired of YOUR schtick. Attack? You attack your own players with senseless, baseless vitriol that doesn’t really encourage discussion. How about admitting you have NO BASIS for assuming Jeter doesn’t care about winning? That’d be a good place to start.